Aaron Murray is joined by Jordan Palmer to discuss the BEST quarterback prospects in the 2024 NFL Draft. Caleb Williams of USC, Jayden Daniels of LSU, and UNC’s Drake Maye seem to be the Top 3 of the class, with Michigan’s JJ McCarthy, Oregon’s Bo Nix, and Washington’s Michael Penix Jr. trailing right behind. With there possibly being six quarterbacks being drafted in the first round, who do you think will have the best NFL career at QB?
7:45 - Jalen Milroe
19:30 - Joe Milton
31:30 - Jayden Daniels vs Drake Maye
38:20 - Bo Nix
42:00 - JJ McCarthy
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume What's going on Sacks World? Aaron Murray here,
appreciate y'all jumping on a Monday afternoon a little bit
later than normal, usually going at one pm Eastern. I
know it's right around two thirty pm Eastern right now.
T Bob is on vacation in Mexico. He was gonna
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do the show for Mexico today and tomorrow, but then
he decided to go golfing once again. So T Bob
is on the course checking a couple of beers. I'm
gonna be joined by Jordan Palmer, quarterback guru and former
NFL quarterback. We're gonna be breaking down the top quarterbacks
heading into the NFL Draft. He's working with a couple
of them right now. We're gonna get his thoughts on
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them and obviously dive deep into the most important position
in the NFL, especially in the draft. Wasn't like subscribe
all that good stuff. We hope everyone had a safe
and enjoyable Easter with hopefully not as much candy as
I consume, because I am definitely on a sugar down
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right now. After all that I consume sealing my son's
candy after he dominated the Easter egg hunt against his
little cousin. So someone's got to chug a beer for
this delay, goes Bo Kennedy. I did my one beer,
I did. I did. That's it, you know. T Bob's
on the course right now. I'm sure he's four or
five six beers deep looking for his ball somewhere in
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the woods. So we'll see hopefully's playing well. His swing
looks actually pretty good. I'm not gonna lie te bop
for a big guy in as actually a pretty good swing.
It's the big calves. He's like Phil Michelson, got the
big old calves wore. Jordan jumps in. He's about to
jump in any minute. Now, let's just kind of run
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through who the top quarterbacks in the NFL draft are
gonna be. Obviously, you know Caleb Williams is gonna be one.
We talked a little bit last week about Jaden Verse
Drake May uh definitely gonna get Jordan's thoughts on that, uh,
and then kind of run at the next couple JJ McCarthy,
Bo Nicks, Michael Pennix Junior, and our sleeper Spencer Rattler
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as well. So without further ado, let's bring him in.
Jordan Palmer Is that all right? What's up?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Brother?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
What's up?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
A good? How you do it?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
I'm cruising, Sorry, I just got off the field. I
got some guys in town.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Oh, no problem, I know you're your statement. Jordan is
QB Summitt, So you can follow him on all the
social media's QB Summit at Jordan Palmer. I see Lulu
Lemon Ambassador, which I'm very jealous if I need to
figure out a way to get onto that. And does
a great job with What's It, What's the Show? To
the QB room as well as the QB room, So
make sure you can follow all those socials and check
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him out. And does probably I think the go to
guy for all quarterbacks from pee wee to high school
to college. The guys in the NFL he's still training
right now, is a bunch of guys like Joe Burrow.
He works with in the off season. So I know
you're busy, man, and was gonna appreciate you taking some
time to break down some quarterbacks with me as we
are worried about a month away from the NFL Draft.
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I want to get to who are you working with
right now? Got to give us a little sneak peak
of what your day to day is with some of
these guys.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Yeah, so really just kind of wrap draft training. I
had my pro days last week. Spencer Sanders was an
old Miss Blake's instrum at Princeton kid I've known since
he was little. His dad was a former NFL quarterback.
And then Joe Milton at Tennessee. So kind of wrap
that up, even though I'm gonna be on the phone
a lot talking to teams, talking to the guys as
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they have their thirty visits and all that. But and
then you know, February, depending on who they are and
how their season finished, some vets start training. So and
then Hooker, because he was coming off with the knee
and kind of red shirted last year, started training earlier,
so he was out here for a month really before
I had any other vets start. And then guys like
Sam Darnold who were playing all the way into the
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Super Bowl started just a couple.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Of weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
So got a Yeah, a bunch of vets that are
out here, coming and going.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Some of them kind of make this home.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Sim Donold lives here, Josh Allen lives here, Colin and
lives here, and then some of the vets who are
getting back into training right now, the Desmond Ritters and
the Joe Burrows. He's got a unique deal with the
surgery onto his wrists. They'll kind of be starting and
then college. I had some guys out before spring ball started,
So Jylen milro is out here, Calvin Cord was out here,
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Givanni McCoy, who's a name to watch, who just went
to Oregon State from Idaho after being the best player
in one double A. He was just out here on
spring break, and then I think this week, next week,
the following week, you kind of get those guys that
are on spring break. Everybody in spring different. Some people
have like two practices and then they go in spring breaks.
Some people put spring break in the middle. Some people
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started earlier to start late. So we'll have a lot
of college guys here the next few weeks and a
lot of vets as well. So simultaneously I run the
Summit Tour. I've had one stop in Orange County this weekend.
I'm in Salt Lake City and that's middle school high
school quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Really, the only thing I do with young guys is
that Summit Tour.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I don't really private or have like weekly you know,
Wednesday nights or Saturday morning training sessions. And then I
consult for some colleges. Can't say the names, but the
school hires me to come in and curate the development
across the different departments where you're talking about the PT staff,
the strength staff, and then whoever's got the clicker in
their hand, coach and the quarterbacks. Believe it or not,
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none of those departments are ever synced and coordinated plan.
You know that from playing a lot of football. So
we kind of lifted up the hood. And I just
did my sixty eth different school approaching and one where
another connected to all thirty two teams. And so it's
not an indictment on one person or one coach. That
is standard operating procedure to have all of those silos
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essentially or all of those departments operating in a silo,
and so coming in and consulting with schools and NFL
teams on how to build it.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Whenever you need to bring that QB someone out to Atlanta,
just let me know. Would love to team up. We
can have some fun doing that.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Now. I believe it's in June.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I'm coming to let me know, baby, come on, come on,
we'll have some fun before we get into the NFL guys.
And I definitely want to talk about Joe Milton a
little bit. Jaylen Milroll, you brought him up, and obviously
he's going to be in a brand new offense. We
saw what Michael Pennis junior, you know, the success he
had at Washington. I know there's a lot of people
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concerned can Milroe playing in a different type of offense.
He's an incredible athlete, throws a beautiful deep ball, but
what's what's he look like? You know, from the five
to twenty the five to twenty five yards? Can he
make all those thors? Can he make that big jump
from year one to year two with the new terminology,
with the new concepts. What are some things that you've
seen from him? And just maybe his excitement to be
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with a new system, to be with some new coaches
as he adds into a second season.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Well, I'm just getting to know him. I spent a
couple of days with him. He was a guest on
my podcast is How We Met? Actually and great energy.
You pick up on the humility which guys like you
and I value humility, even the guys that are super confident,
think they're the best in the world, which if you're
going to be one of the best in the world,
you have to think that you are. But had had
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all the humility that you'd want to see in somebody
who's had success and who's made some money and been
on big stages, and that that that humility evaporates for
a lot of young players, unfortunately, and it hasn't with him,
And so it takes a level of humility to be
able to buy into a new program. It takes a
level of humility to buy into making mechanical changes, if
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you want to call it that. And for me, the
thing that I look for I score athleticism a little
bit differently, ironically the combine. You know, I just, let's say, right,
or any of the other guys have had for the combine.
You're getting them better at these traditional combine things like
run a faster jump, higher jump, farther, go over there
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and come back and then go back over there again, quicker, right,
the al jira or whatever.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
And so I don't I'm not the person. I have
a staff that trains that.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
But that's how we score an athlete. Right, If somebody
runs two, you say he's athletic. If somebody runs a
five two, he's on athletic. Right, That's not really how
I look at it. For what I do for a living,
I would would measure athleticism very differently.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
And the reason or the way that I measure it
is how quickly can you take an old movement pattern
that you've been doing for a time and replace it
with a new one. And I've had guys that run
four four and it takes forever, and guys that run
five flat and it happens like that. M So when
I when I look at it through that lens, Joe
Burrows actually maybe one of the most athletic dudes I've
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ever trained. And I don't care what is forty is
or isn't you know, because we can talk about something
and then it happens, and it happens in game tape,
you know, talk about on Tuesday and it shows up
on Sunday. That's athleticism to be. And so what I
think of Jalen is world class athlete from how all
the ways we'd measure it, jump far, run fast right.
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And I don't know that I'm gonna help him a
lot in those areas but I was able to spend
a couple of days with him and realize that, oh good,
he's the other type of athleticism too, because they don't
necessarily go hand in hand. It's actually more about like
mind body connection than in calendar explosiveness, and and so
his ability to feel what he's doing, try something different
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and then build muscle memory really quickly. That just that
just changes the trajectory arrow as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well, you would hate my golf you'd hate my golf swing, then, Jordan,
Because like I had my golf coach, it takes me
like four or five lessons to kind of tweak one
thing in my golf swing. It's a pain in the ass.
I guess according to you, I'm not a damn good athlete.
It's still depressing. You must not be, I know, I
guess not. But or I'm just old or just old
and my body doesn't you know, go as fast as
I used to, you know, ten years ago. Totally.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
But I love working with guys that are really good
at golf or really good shooters in basketball because they've
connected to a movement pattern and then been able to
repeat that movement pattern over and over and over again.
There's a guy I'm working with out at UCLA right now,
Ethan Garber's, who's like a plus handicap, and he's a
college quarterback. So we didn't play that much and he
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goes to school at UCLA. There's not good golf in LA.
There's like three places to play and they're all expensive
country clubs. So it's not that he's playing as much
as other plus one handicaps, but he's he's made It's
made sense to him and so he can go out
to whatever and go seventy one. And so all that
tells me is on the quarterback side of things, this
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is going to go really quickly.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
And I don't really care, is well.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I want to ask you this because I've seen you
go to like a golf facility and used the force plates.
I believe correct me if I'm wrong here, but I
know you've You've done a lot of that, and kind
of as I've tried to build myself as a better golfer,
I think of the movements from from a lot of
you know, people I go work with, like, well, you're quarterbacks,
you should be do this or this or this this
you know really well, and the more I see kind
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of that ground force reaction when it comes to golf.
It does make me think of shooting a basketball being
able to use the ground to elevate up to shoot.
Same thing with football being able to create that disassociation
and get that foot down to create the force to
then accelerate to throw the football. How much are the
simularities with all the sports, would you say when you
do look at the ground force reactions.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Well, I'm sitting in front of my golf simulator in
my office.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
The balls around here, h you like the background I.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Put on for you? I love it. I love it.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
And so there's a lot of similarities. But let's break
it down into two elements. So one, when I'm getting
ready to address the golf ball, I'm getting my feet
wherever I want them. I'm going to stand, however, and
I'm going to get myself all situated and to some
extent there's we all have that friend. It takes forever,
but like, M not a shot clock out here, right,
so I can do whatever I gotta do to get
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set right. So there's the once I get my feet set,
Let's say from a quarterback, we would call that the
prepass position. So there's the things you want to work
on there. You're throwing mechanics column or your golf swing mechanics,
And yes, there's a ton of correlation between what you
want to do on both. For example, I'm not just
trying to swing my hips open. That Dac dance video
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I think ruined throwing mechanics.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
For a lot of kids.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
All that and just try to copy it. It's not
about getting my hips open, it's how I get them open.
How do I apply force through my back foot to
be able to create leverage, to be able to rotate
my hips in the direction I want to go. And
then when I actually golf, when I open up my
hip or when I'm stepping and throwing, I actually have
to come to a collision on that front hip. It
has to stop and force us to be front foot.
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And that's the part that nobody talks about. But into
that front foot, So I'm not swinging my front hip open,
I'm driving my back hip through and I've just credit.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
A folkrum on that front hip. Get kind of nerdy,
I can go wait.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
But the bigger conversation what I spend most of my
time working with quarterbacks on is are you actually getting
back to that prepass position.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Because I go to the Liegle eleven every year. I
do this.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I walk around with an iPad and I tell the
guy it doesn't even matter who it is. Hey erin
step and throw at your target, and I video you
from the side, and then I go, okay, go quick,
three and throw to your target.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
And it's just the kids. They're fifteen yards away, and.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
I hit pause right before I video it, and then
I go slow mow, and I hit pause right before
they go to throw, and it doesn't look anything like
when they just stood there and stepped in through the
majority of mechanical issues have that elite quarterbacks have stem
from a movement that preceded the throw who overstrided on
that last ball and threw it in the dirt on
a comeback. I argue, you put yourself in a position
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where the only thing you could do.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Was overstride to get out of it.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Basic hips were locked landing and triple extension not able
to actually internally rotate that hip whatever it is. So
I spend probably most of my time talking about the movement,
and if you came and watched one of my throwing
sessions today, I'd Sam Darnold out there for two hours.
We threw the last forty five minutes, an hour and
fifteen minute, no ball, no cleats, moving on turf, and
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I'm not no agility or speedwork.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I don't do that.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
How do we get develop the range of motion of
my hips, getting the ankle mobility to be able to
support the under center ride for thirty four ride, forty
thirty five, bob pass throwing a strike out of it
that we're going to actually work on for forty five minutes.
And that's the part that nobody else.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Does, which I love the fact that you brought the
whole dack thing because it's so true and you're not
just trying to say with Gothic, you're not trying to
just rip your hips open. You have to use the
ground properly to drive to get the hips to open.
It's not just a turning effect, because then everything just
gets kind of thrown up from the top and just
gets ugly from there. Let's get into these quarterbacks. Though
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you were working with one one of my I don't
know if i'd use the word sleeper, but a guy
that I had an opportunity to cover a couple of
times in Tennessee. See his arm strengthen Joe Milton. See
the athleticism a guy the ball just naturally pops off
more than maybe anyone I've ever seen in my entire life.
I mean, I throw. I saw him throw a six
yard touchdown with the ball maybe went ten yards in
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the air. Unbelievable, unbelievable freak of an athlete. A guy
that I would take a definitely a flyer on somewhere third,
fourth round and just say, you know what, big kid,
great athleticism, that's what he can do. Your thoughts working
with him? How much has he grown since the guy
that just wants to put a hole in the wall
to maybe what you try to improve in his game
to maybe get him or even earlier in the NFL draft.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Yeah, I think with a lot of you know, talented guys,
whether it's high school of college, you know, you guys,
guys are great throwers, and then they need to become
a great passer, and then they need to learn how
to become a great quarterback. Right where an element of
the game is passing, right, And so he was way
further down, you know, he's been I think a really
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really good passer since I've been paying attention to him
the last few years. You go back to the beginning
of the story. I mean, he was seventeen at Michigan.
He was the youngest guy there. And where he grew
up in Michigan and urban Michigan are two very different settings.
And then they were really musical chairs at quarterback you're
talking about, you know, say Patterson was there and Joe
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was there, and then Kate McNamara inserted in before the j. J.
McCarthy run, and so you know, it was a weird
time at Michigan, right, They weren't going fifteen to oh
during that period.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
And then you know.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
In the competition, you know, Hendon Hooker emerges, and then
we turned. We come to find out Hendon Hooker is
a really good player. He should have won the hip
arguably if he didn't tear his nee up. And so
it's not like he got beat out by a back guy.
He beat out by a guy who's also a client
of mine that I think is gonna start a lot
of games in the NFL and player for a long time.
And then this last year there was some some ups
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and downs, and I'll see some incredible places on tape,
and it's also a system that's a little different. It
doesn't if you're in and you watch Tennessee, you don't
see a lot transfer I'll argue more transfers than a
Rake casual fan would say. But I think seeing his
buy in and his attention to detailing his work ethic,
he's the guy that, again we do a lot of
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stuff on the movement side of things, he's just always
you look over there and you see across the building
and he's like just kind of with no ball, just
continuing to build on whatever it is that we're working on.
And so he's just always on his mind, he's always
thinking about it, he's always getting better, and that was
that was awesome to see.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Uh makes a guy like me become a fan really quickly.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Now I don't know what round he's gonna go, and
I think there's a chance he goes higher than those
two because flip it over here, like in the drought,
I'm not comparing him to players in the NFL right now.
I'll just say I've had a lot of guys come
through this strap program, a couple of guys going number one,
a lot of guys go in the first round.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
He's definitely the most talented I've seen at this stage.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
And I've also backed up my brother, who's like top five,
definitely top ten all time arm backed up. I backed
up Blaine Gabbert, who throws it way better than the
casual fan realizes. And so there's the I was a
college counselor at the Elite eleven when Mattie Stafford was
one of the high school kids, and Timmy Tebow, and
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so I've been around kind of all arms, and I'm
totally comfortable saying that Joe's probably is talented of a
thrower at the stage of his career as I've ever seen.
We actually went down to the place you mentioned. It's
Titleist Performance Institute TPI. It's not their business headquarters, it's
their essentially their lab. They've designed golf balls there. If
you're a golfer on tour and you play Titleist, which
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is most of them, you've been there a lot. They
have contracts with I think every baseball team, so all
the best hitters and pitchers have gone there. And we
looked at it and not the guy Greg who we
do it with, is really the godfather of all of this.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Rotational.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
So all the stuff you've heard with and you know
whether it's to stuff and rotational. Greg is the one
who this is like the godfather of all of it.
He's just in the golf industry. And I have a
partnership with Titless. We get on there a lot. And
Greg doesn't really watch football. You didn't know who Joe
Milton is. He didn't care, and he goes, hey, let's
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just pull up the data right here. The only thing
I can compare his sequence to we're not talking about videos,
we're talking about bar graphs, right The only thing compared
to is Mike trout Swain, which I praise when you
talk about sequencing. So yes, he has raw athleticism and talent,
but his sequence and it wasn't like that to Mike,
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who works with me and up to our credit as well,
it was not like that on the first assessment, but
on the end, right before he left, it was essentially
the most efficient. And to get nerdy for a second,
we really look at four pillars. So one, there's angular
velocity of the pelvis to your hips. Second is angular
velocity of your trunk. Okay, so it goes hips trunk.
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Third extension fourth is internal shoulder rotation. So we don't
flick it, we don't snap our wrist off. What we
actually do is get to elbow extension and internal shoulder rotation,
and the sequence at which that happens. His sequence is
essentially as efficient as it gets.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Damn.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
And he's sixty five to thirty eight and ran four
five five.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, and get throw a throw a seven yard bomb
while the balls in the or do a backflip. Well,
how about this is super crazy?
Speaker 4 (20:27):
All the viral of him, you know you got and
I said, like this prote I'm all right, we're gonna
take the driver out and do the thing that never happens,
but we got to do it because it's a PRODA.
So he drops back, he runs over here, Oh never mind,
comes over here, And basically I have the guy on
the backside run a ten yard stop, counts a one
thousand and one, and then take off to the back
pile on sixty percent. And then by the time we
set it up, we're gonna throw it as high and
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far as we can and it usually times out perfectly
where the guy extends.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I don't throw any fades on prodase.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Ever since jameis Winston threw somebody out of bounds and
they flipped over all the media equipment I've never thrown of.
We throw posts because we can kind of keep the
keep them on.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Yeah, that thing went like eighty something.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
But the impressive throw that was after sixty throws. By
the way, the most impressive throw is we throw a
Dino post. So picture double kind of like five maybe
the thirty and you're gonna go like twelve yards. You're
gonna widen for three. Keep your speed thin right, almost
like five yards outside the upright.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
I throw a cone in the back of the end zone.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
I back Joe up to the forty So that's forty
plus five for being a gun m hm. Complete eight
yards deep, so it's fifty three.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
And it just went like this.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, it doesn't even get off the ground.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
It feels like high.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
And I had I will say who, but I had
a two NFL quarterback coaches who I said, stand right
here on this one.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
And I kind of stood in between both of them.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
And then I just at just the exce lips.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Coming out of their mouths. I'm like, if you do
that and they both ever see you do that?
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Far, I said, Man, I've had a couple of his
games and like in the pregame warm up and then
just cover you even see from the booths some of
the throws he would make down the field, Like my god,
like I've never seen someone throw the football like that.
It just comes out so effortless. The body does work
and in amazing way. So I'm interesting who does take
a chance in him somewhere in the mid rounds and
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and takes a guy that can is that size, that's
played a decent amount of football in the SEC and
can throw it the way he throws it. It's just athletic,
you know. I will be interested to see, all right,
I don't think we need to talk a lot about one.
I just want to get your just overall thoughts on
things that maybe you don't like. I mean, we all
the things that we like about Kleb. You know, good size,
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you know, decent size, the athletic, the creativity, the ability
to move the arm, a goals, everything is it's it's
it's he's really special. I don't know how much you've
worked with him or seen him, Like, what are some
things that maybe would concern an NFL scouter team that
maybe they wake up on draft days and near mind,
you know Chicago Bears, we don't want them at one,
(23:05):
which I don't think a bit happening. But what are
some things that he could improve on heading into his
rookie year. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
The way the way I talk about these guys is
is thinking about like what do I think they need
to progress in to be able to transfer what they
did in college to the NFL, and then how I
think they can do it right?
Speaker 3 (23:22):
And so I just only talk about knocks and.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Holes, And so what I would say is there's plays
on tape where he's doing something absolutely incredible, and but
but there is the hitch right there, or there is
the flat right there, or the slants open, and so
I don't like, unless i'm their quarterback coach on their team,
which I'm not for anybody saying like how can we
didn't throw it to him?
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Right?
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Because what else?
Speaker 4 (23:47):
I have too much respect for the quarterback coach in
the room coordinator, okay, right, And so it's not something
where I go, he there's the hits is open on
tape and he's makings he's doing too much that doesn't
translates to the NFL. It's like, no, that will get
coached into him and maybe it wasn't as much of
a point in a physis before, and that's totally fine.
So there would be one area where you know, I reference.
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I was texting with Mahomes. It was like two years ago,
in the middle of the season, something like a game,
you know, something like that, and he had he had
thrown a couple of touchdowns or a couple of big
plays that game, but there were like a flat route.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
It was like a stick route.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
And his point in the text was, Dude, it's crazy
once you get into the league this long, like how
many easy completions there are to take to watch Patrick
Mahomes and think that he's trying to do all this
stuff when really what they're trying to do is like
do all this stuff to like throw the flat route
to create high percentage shots. It's like when I was
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in college. My roommate in college at uteph he was
like a diehard Spurs fan and they were rolling at
that time. They were winning it at every and I
just couldn't get into it. And it was like so
many layups, it was so many bank shots from four feet.
But his point was, this is beautiful basketball because they're
creating high percentage shots, and then everyone else in the
league this is iverson and Kobe's like creating themselves. And
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I just think that's a part of his game that
I think will improve. And I don't know how much
that's him or Lincoln or whatever. It's not a knock.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
It's just.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
So much of what you do. You know this, you
were a whatever, your four or five star?
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah, yep, four or five whatever. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Oh when you're coming out, how do you become a
four or five star quarterback? How do you get in by?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Make big place, make big plays, Make.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Big plays, baby, win the Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Make big plays, lady maker.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
How do you have some fell put the ball in play?
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yep, well I learned that. I learned that lesson the
hard way. I remember. I remember heading into my third
year of Kansas City. This was preseason and it was
a you know, I'm in the quarterback battle, trying to
make the roster, and in my head, you know, before
every every every preseason game, I'm thinking like, yeah, I'm
gonna go you know, fifteen of eighteen for two thirty
and three touchdowns. I went through this and this and this,
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and in practice I was great man like practice was
my best I saw my best offseason. You know, the
OTA's the fall camp, all that. Man, I'm just dealing, dealing, dealing.
I get to the game and I'm trying to, you know,
hit home runs. I remember Coach Reid sat me down
when I got cut and he's like, Eric, if you
just would have ran the offense like you did in
practice and stop trying to make all these incredible plays
in the game, you'd still be on the team. He said,
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you didn't do that, and you were reckless with the football.
You're trying to hit home runs with. All I needed
you to do was just hit singles like you did
in practice, and it was really hard. Lesson obviously learn,
but yeah, you're trying to make the roster. You're trying
to do this. You're trying to do that, and now
you're thinking, here's your head, as I gotta throw for
forty yards in five touchdowns, and you can get there
by just taking the simple flat route, five yard pass
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in into a fifteen yard run, you know, easy stuff
like that. So I think he can. I think he's
a smart enough quarterback. Front I've heard he's obviously super athletic, and.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
What I've spent a lot of time with him.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
What I would say about Caleb if if he finds
out something that he can get better at and it's
going to make a big difference, He's gonna get better
at it real quick.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I like him. But your next one, Are you on
team Jaden? Are you team Drake? For two?
Speaker 3 (27:08):
It just depends.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
I think there's there's It depends on what the plan
is with them. I think both of them are going
to be great pros. So this isn't a knock on
on Drake. I just I think Jayden's the first pick
and a lot of other drafts. Yeah, and it happens
to be the Caleb Williams year, not the going second
or thirds affiling.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
I've just seen.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
I've seen both of them since they're a little but
I just think so much of it for Jayden transfers
right away. I've seen him as a true freshman beat
Justin Herbert at the end of the season when when
Oregon was rolling and all they had to do was
beat a crappy ASSU team, and then Jayden was like
nah as a young guy, and then watching this really
(27:54):
similar setup to what happened with Burrow, you know, the
first year it's up and down, it's just okay, and
then the second year it clodes. I think that l
SU was seven and four Joe's junior year and maybe
eight and four and uh and so I think it
was something similar. And I you know, he's got great
receivers he's thrown to. I'm not trying to hear that.
All placements incredible making plays, and I think Jayden as
(28:18):
a runner translates.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I think what he did in the sec I've.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Had as long as he just doesn't stop an impact
I mean crazy here kind of gets impact and just
stop and almost give himself up. And then you know,
we saw some of the most violent hits I've seen
the quarterback take throughout the season. So like I think
they're running, yeah, particular, but he just got to take
care of himself a little better.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
First year or two in the NFL, every time Josh
allen Brett broke the pocket and ran to the right,
it was either going to be a touchdown, a completion,
or an incompletion, but he was going to end up
landing on his right shoulder every time. So just and
you can't practice that in drills, So it's instincts it's
all that. It's like learning how to slide, you know, Yeah,
I was.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I was, I was. That was with Carson. You're in
Philly the same thing. Yeah, you got to learn to
yet with Carson and Philly is for a g year.
I mean he had to learn it to protect himself
and that was his big downfall was inability at times
to protect his body, which is hard for guys that
are that size. Though. I feel like Jayden, you obviously
good size with height y six three six four, but
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Josh and Carson have more of that that physicality, you know,
two forty to fifty where their whole life they've actually
have been able to run people over, Like I don't
know if Jaden's ever been to a point where he's
been able to run someone over. So, but I'm with you.
I think Jayden too, just the athleticism is absolutely incredible.
A guy that I'm not go ahead, go drink it too.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I mean you're getting He's reinds me a lot of
Philip River.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
It's just all ball, great to great personality, great energy,
always competing, good in a bunch of sports. And so
if he if he goes it too, that makes a
ton of sense. To me too, because you're getting all
of those things. I just think with Jayden being in
two different systems playing in the SEC, I don't.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Think this whole draft should be about who can play
better faster.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
But unfortunately, that way that it is with the patients
of the fan base and the contract set up, the
way they are with front office.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
And it's unbelievable. The guy that I want to get
on with you obviously, you know out there on the
West Coast, I'm a little bit hesitant on like. I
think I've seen enough of JJ McCarthy to think that, Okay,
I like the tools that JJ has. I can't understand
(30:35):
why someone will take a chance on it, maybe in
the first round, even though he wasn't asked to do
a lot at Michigan. But a guy that like I
like Bo Nicks. I've like Bo Nix, you know, since
his freshman year at Auburn. It's hard for me to
sit down and say I think Bo Nick's the first
round quarterback. I think he's more of a mid second
to early third round guy. What are your thoughts? Am
(30:55):
I completely off targeting this one? Is he a bonafied
first rounder in your mind?
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I don't I don't really know.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
I think how you score him, it's based off that
team's need and where what roles that player to play.
And if you're asking him to play right away and
we need we're a quarterback on a rookie contract away.
I think he's played so much ball, he's so mature,
he's off the field, on the field, all of it.
You're gonna get somebody who can step right in and
do that, you know, from a skill set standpoint. One
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thing that didn't show up a lot on tape at
Oregon because they got rid of it so quick is
you didn't get a chance to see him run around
and create as much, which he can totally do. It
just didn't happening because I landed up on offense and
him and Penix both were throwing a number one and
two so much and getting rid of it so quickly
that there wasn't a need. They didn't ask him to
(31:47):
take five and two hitches and then create. But that's
but he will need to do that in the NFL,
and I think that's a part of his game. We
didn't see a lot that will show up in the
NFL to a thing, And so yeah, I think if
somebody takes him in that first round, they know exactly
what they're getting, right, Like you exactly what you're getting
(32:07):
because you have I mean, he's played more football than
anybody in college, right, being any surprises, Plus he's so
consistent as a person, he's married, he's you know that
you know exactly what you're getting. On JJ departmenthere, we
don't know what we're getting. And what I'm about to
say is not actually his fault, right, this is no,
not at all, but it's my by far and away,
my biggest concern is you know this when you are
(32:31):
on the sideline before the game, right and Harbaugh comes
over and hits him on the shoulders, right, and you
know you're rushing for two hundred and fifty yards today.
It's just different than playing quarterback in the NFL. YEP,
I don't care if you're the Baltimore Ravens. You don't
know that the run game is going to work today.
Any point in the first quarter you could.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Have to abandon it.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
And so it's a it's a handicap. And it's again,
it's not his fault. They ran because and he's got
a couple of great backs and a great scheme and
great design, and I'm sure he was making all sorts
of checks to get them in a better run play.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
He was contributing to that.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
His threat as a runner contributes to that all positive things.
That would just be my thing where I go, I can't,
that's not go. Proteotape's not going to answer that. The
inner process isn't going to answer that. So that's where
the risk is. And he's not the first guy that
we've set out where they've had an unbelievable running game.
But you know, I don't think it's fair to say
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that he didn't throw the ball in the second half
versus Penn State because they didn't want him to lose
like they need to. They didn't need to, and you
got to interer him head coach and all the stuff
going on then. So it's not an indictment on him.
But if I'm a so as an evaluator, as a
GM betting my job on it, that's the one where
there is there's risk associated with that termination.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
But when it comes to this pure talent, like I
remember watching JJ early on the season, and that would
tex obviously t Bob Boy co host the show with
we talk about it I talk with Jake, but you know,
former tight end at Michigan. I'd be like, man, where
where did this arm come from? Because I remember seeing
it a year ago. Then you look at some of
the throws he made in the first four games of
the season, and it was a guy that was throwing
the deep out on time, in rhythm, with a lot
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of juice. The ball was kind of, you know, not
dying at the end of it. I was like, man, like,
I didn't realize he had that type of arm strength
and accuracy when he does get the opportunity. But is
that enough though to say, like just talent, just pure
talent wise, is he is he a first round talent?
Take away the mental not being asked to do a lot,
but just purely drop back throwing it, arm strength, athleticism.
(34:39):
Does that belong in the first round? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:41):
I think he can absolutely spin it. He's his type
of mobility. He gets to full speed quickly. Not everybody
who's asked and runs a fast forty gets to full speed.
I think if Vince Young, who's one of my all
time favorite players that I've ever watched in college, I
think it was because he didn't get to full speed
as quickly. It didn't translate. Those big runs didn't translate
the change the direction where I think JJ's does. From
(35:05):
a velocity, he can spin it, you know, he's spinner,
but a lot of these guys are too. You know,
everybody's two twenty five, and so that doesn't concern me.
So from a talent perspective, yeah, and then whether it's
the run game defense or not, I don't know. He
made a ton of plays to contribute to them going
fifteen to zero and being undefeated that last year. So
I'm not trying to hear that he was just handing
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the ball off and throwing for action like that's not
the He made a lot of plays from Michigan this
year and handled himself really well in big moments, and
so those things translate as well. And when you're the
face of Michigan, that's a big brand. So some of
the questions that you get of a smaller school guy,
can he can he handle the spotlight? You don't have
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those questions with JJ because you know that he's been
a you know, a model citizen on and off the
field and fantastic with the fantastic with the fans, and
so there's there's less questions, but unfortunately the big question
of what's it like when you know we can't rush today? Yeah,
can you just drop back and beat him? And I
think he can, but it's just a question that teams
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need ask.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yeah, they need to figure that out. All right. Last one,
we're boy. Let you goo. Jordan Palmer joined us right now.
You know you're a busy man and definitely gonna go
get some hit some balls that nice little simulartor behind
you when when when you're done to get a little
bit of a break. Uh, who's the sleeper in the draft?
You know we've been you know, we know about Kayleb.
We know Jaden and Drake and JJ and we had
on bo Nicks a little bit. Obviously Michael Pennix is
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there as well enough that would be your sleeper. Nottlick.
Who's a guy that's somewhere in the either third or
sixth round you think could not only make a roster
but possibly compete during his rookie contract, because we know
how important it is on those rookie contracts to get
a young guy that can go out there, actually go
out there and ball out. Who's the guy that we're
gonna be talking about in two or three years.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
I don't know the response is going to be this,
but I'm gonna say Spencer Rattler, and I don't train Spencer.
Certainly seen him throw it a lot and seeing and
and part of this next statement is that because they're
this needed to happen. But I've seen more maturity the
last few years, more good maturity in him than I have,
and a lot of guys and now a lot of
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guys weren't starting where he was starting from a maturity standpoint,
and being on TV in high school and all the
you know, all the stuff.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
But that dude can rip it man and he is
very confident. He's very well spoken.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
And I think I went to Manning two years ago
and he jumps in and everybody in the stands booze.
And then at night we're all at the bar talking
about it, and none of the guys who were hanging
out Spencer get.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
It because he's cool, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
So it's just like it's just a miss misbrand, miscommunication, disconnect.
Playing well in the NFL will solve that right away.
But you know, he's done it at two schools. I
don't think it's going to be too big for him. Yeah,
he got bench for a true freshman who's going number
one and what a hYP and uh yeah, I I
don't know around Spencer's gonna go. I have no idea,
(38:02):
but I think he's going to go in there. He's
going to pick things up quickly.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
He's going to look.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Think we lost your audio there quick, real quick, Jordan. Uh,
let's see we get your back real quick talk. Can
you hear me real quick?
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (38:15):
There we go a club, Nick, Hey, there we go.
I said that we we did a little tea Bob
and I did somewhat of a small overall draft the
other day, and that was obviously I was talking a
little bit about quarterbacks and that was my sleeper too.
Just a guy that shoot hell, I thought he balled
out this year without any support offensive line with horrendous
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his top receiver was banged up the entire season. Uh
And I thought he just kept taking it on the
chin over and over again and just answered the belt
every single game and made ros.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
But like I was talking to some guys who were
in the portal or going to go in the portal,
and they're I'm like, where are you considering? And multiple
people were like, probably not South Carolina because if Spencer
couldn't win there, then yeah, I just don't follow the
sec like you, and so I didn't know that, and
it was like, well, maybe he played a lot better
than people are giving over good.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
He played really really well. Like I watched pretty much
every single one of his games throughout the season, and
I thought he was absolutely tremendous on a team that
really did not have anywhere near the supporting cast that
a lot of these other guys did. So I'm with you.
I think he's a guy that could be third fourth
round and compete to possibly a starting guy year one,
year two, depending on the situation in front of him.
So I hope.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
So I think it'd be a great story.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yeah, all right, that is Jordan Palmer. Make sure you
can follo him on all the socials and appreciate you
jumping on once first off and the second. He let
me know those dates in Atlanta. Would love to come
out and hang out and learn something myself.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
I will, thanks for having me, man appreciate Jordan.
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Speaker 1 (41:19):
All right, everyone, appreciate y'all jumping on on the Monday.
Sorry we're a little bit late one. Make sure that
we could get Jordan apart of the show today to
break down all the quarterbacks. T Bob hopefully will be
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Can't blame a man for going out there and playing
a little golf because I got a plenty of golf
(41:41):
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Speaker 4 (41:55):
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The volume What's going on Sacks World? Aaron Murray here,
appreciate y'all jumping on a Monday afternoon a little bit
later than normal, usually going at one pm Eastern. I
know it's right around two thirty pm Eastern right now.
T Bob is on vacation in Mexico. He was gonna
(00:24):
do the show for Mexico today and tomorrow, but then
he decided to go golfing once again. So T Bob
is on the course checking a couple of beers. I'm
gonna be joined by Jordan Palmer, quarterback guru and former
NFL quarterback. We're gonna be breaking down the top quarterbacks
heading into the NFL Draft. He's working with a couple
of them right now. We're gonna get his thoughts on
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them and obviously dive deep into the most important position
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(01:05):
right now. After all that I consume sealing my son's
candy after he dominated the Easter egg hunt against his
little cousin. So someone's got to chug a beer for
this delay, goes Bo Kennedy. I did my one beer,
I did. I did. That's it, you know. T Bob's
on the course right now. I'm sure he's four or
five six beers deep looking for his ball somewhere in
(01:28):
the woods. So we'll see hopefully's playing well. His swing
looks actually pretty good. I'm not gonna lie te bop
for a big guy in as actually a pretty good swing.
It's the big calves. He's like Phil Michelson, got the
big old calves wore. Jordan jumps in. He's about to
jump in any minute. Now, let's just kind of run
(01:48):
through who the top quarterbacks in the NFL draft are
gonna be. Obviously, you know Caleb Williams is gonna be one.
We talked a little bit last week about Jaden Verse
Drake May uh definitely gonna get Jordan's thoughts on that, uh,
and then kind of run at the next couple JJ McCarthy,
Bo Nicks, Michael Pennix Junior, and our sleeper Spencer Rattler
(02:09):
as well. So without further ado, let's bring him in.
Jordan Palmer Is that all right? What's up?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Brother?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
What's up?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
A good? How you do it?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
I'm cruising, Sorry, I just got off the field. I
got some guys in town.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Oh, no problem, I know you're your statement. Jordan is
QB Summitt, So you can follow him on all the
social media's QB Summit at Jordan Palmer. I see Lulu
Lemon Ambassador, which I'm very jealous if I need to
figure out a way to get onto that. And does
a great job with What's It, What's the Show? To
the QB room as well as the QB room, So
make sure you can follow all those socials and check
(02:45):
him out. And does probably I think the go to
guy for all quarterbacks from pee wee to high school
to college. The guys in the NFL he's still training
right now, is a bunch of guys like Joe Burrow.
He works with in the off season. So I know
you're busy, man, and was gonna appreciate you taking some
time to break down some quarterbacks with me as we
are worried about a month away from the NFL Draft.
(03:07):
I want to get to who are you working with
right now? Got to give us a little sneak peak
of what your day to day is with some of
these guys.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Yeah, so really just kind of wrap draft training. I
had my pro days last week. Spencer Sanders was an
old Miss Blake's instrum at Princeton kid I've known since
he was little. His dad was a former NFL quarterback.
And then Joe Milton at Tennessee. So kind of wrap
that up, even though I'm gonna be on the phone
a lot talking to teams, talking to the guys as
(03:33):
they have their thirty visits and all that. But and
then you know, February, depending on who they are and
how their season finished, some vets start training. So and
then Hooker, because he was coming off with the knee
and kind of red shirted last year, started training earlier,
so he was out here for a month really before
I had any other vets start. And then guys like
Sam Darnold who were playing all the way into the
(03:54):
Super Bowl started just a couple.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Of weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
So got a Yeah, a bunch of vets that are
out here, coming and going.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Some of them kind of make this home.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Sim Donold lives here, Josh Allen lives here, Colin and
lives here, and then some of the vets who are
getting back into training right now, the Desmond Ritters and
the Joe Burrows. He's got a unique deal with the
surgery onto his wrists. They'll kind of be starting and
then college. I had some guys out before spring ball started,
So Jylen milro is out here, Calvin Cord was out here,
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Givanni McCoy, who's a name to watch, who just went
to Oregon State from Idaho after being the best player
in one double A. He was just out here on
spring break, and then I think this week, next week,
the following week, you kind of get those guys that
are on spring break. Everybody in spring different. Some people
have like two practices and then they go in spring breaks.
Some people put spring break in the middle. Some people
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started earlier to start late. So we'll have a lot
of college guys here the next few weeks and a
lot of vets as well. So simultaneously I run the
Summit Tour. I've had one stop in Orange County this weekend.
I'm in Salt Lake City and that's middle school high
school quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Really, the only thing I do with young guys is
that Summit Tour.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I don't really private or have like weekly you know,
Wednesday nights or Saturday morning training sessions. And then I
consult for some colleges. Can't say the names, but the
school hires me to come in and curate the development
across the different departments where you're talking about the PT staff,
the strength staff, and then whoever's got the clicker in
their hand, coach and the quarterbacks. Believe it or not,
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none of those departments are ever synced and coordinated plan.
You know that from playing a lot of football. So
we kind of lifted up the hood. And I just
did my sixty eth different school approaching and one where
another connected to all thirty two teams. And so it's
not an indictment on one person or one coach. That
is standard operating procedure to have all of those silos
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essentially or all of those departments operating in a silo,
and so coming in and consulting with schools and NFL
teams on how to build it.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Whenever you need to bring that QB someone out to Atlanta,
just let me know. Would love to team up. We
can have some fun doing that.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Now. I believe it's in June.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I'm coming to let me know, baby, come on, come on,
we'll have some fun before we get into the NFL guys.
And I definitely want to talk about Joe Milton a
little bit. Jaylen Milroll, you brought him up, and obviously
he's going to be in a brand new offense. We
saw what Michael Pennis junior, you know, the success he
had at Washington. I know there's a lot of people
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concerned can Milroe playing in a different type of offense.
He's an incredible athlete, throws a beautiful deep ball, but
what's what's he look like? You know, from the five
to twenty the five to twenty five yards? Can he
make all those thors? Can he make that big jump
from year one to year two with the new terminology,
with the new concepts. What are some things that you've
seen from him? And just maybe his excitement to be
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with a new system, to be with some new coaches
as he adds into a second season.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Well, I'm just getting to know him. I spent a
couple of days with him. He was a guest on
my podcast is How We Met? Actually and great energy.
You pick up on the humility which guys like you
and I value humility, even the guys that are super confident,
think they're the best in the world, which if you're
going to be one of the best in the world,
you have to think that you are. But had had
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all the humility that you'd want to see in somebody
who's had success and who's made some money and been
on big stages, and that that that humility evaporates for
a lot of young players, unfortunately, and it hasn't with him,
And so it takes a level of humility to be
able to buy into a new program. It takes a
level of humility to buy into making mechanical changes, if
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you want to call it that. And for me, the
thing that I look for I score athleticism a little
bit differently, ironically the combine. You know, I just, let's say, right,
or any of the other guys have had for the combine.
You're getting them better at these traditional combine things like
run a faster jump, higher jump, farther, go over there
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and come back and then go back over there again, quicker, right,
the al jira or whatever.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
And so I don't I'm not the person. I have
a staff that trains that.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
But that's how we score an athlete. Right, If somebody
runs two, you say he's athletic. If somebody runs a
five two, he's on athletic. Right, That's not really how
I look at it. For what I do for a living,
I would would measure athleticism very differently.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
And the reason or the way that I measure it
is how quickly can you take an old movement pattern
that you've been doing for a time and replace it
with a new one. And I've had guys that run
four four and it takes forever, and guys that run
five flat and it happens like that. M So when
I when I look at it through that lens, Joe
Burrows actually maybe one of the most athletic dudes I've
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ever trained. And I don't care what is forty is
or isn't you know, because we can talk about something
and then it happens, and it happens in game tape,
you know, talk about on Tuesday and it shows up
on Sunday. That's athleticism to be. And so what I
think of Jalen is world class athlete from how all
the ways we'd measure it, jump far, run fast right.
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And I don't know that I'm gonna help him a
lot in those areas but I was able to spend
a couple of days with him and realize that, oh good,
he's the other type of athleticism too, because they don't
necessarily go hand in hand. It's actually more about like
mind body connection than in calendar explosiveness, and and so
his ability to feel what he's doing, try something different
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and then build muscle memory really quickly. That just that
just changes the trajectory arrow as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well, you would hate my golf you'd hate my golf swing, then, Jordan,
Because like I had my golf coach, it takes me
like four or five lessons to kind of tweak one
thing in my golf swing. It's a pain in the ass.
I guess according to you, I'm not a damn good athlete.
It's still depressing. You must not be, I know, I
guess not. But or I'm just old or just old
and my body doesn't you know, go as fast as
I used to, you know, ten years ago. Totally.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
But I love working with guys that are really good
at golf or really good shooters in basketball because they've
connected to a movement pattern and then been able to
repeat that movement pattern over and over and over again.
There's a guy I'm working with out at UCLA right now,
Ethan Garber's, who's like a plus handicap, and he's a
college quarterback. So we didn't play that much and he
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goes to school at UCLA. There's not good golf in LA.
There's like three places to play and they're all expensive
country clubs. So it's not that he's playing as much
as other plus one handicaps, but he's he's made It's
made sense to him and so he can go out
to whatever and go seventy one. And so all that
tells me is on the quarterback side of things, this
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is going to go really quickly.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
And I don't really care, is well.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I want to ask you this because I've seen you
go to like a golf facility and used the force plates.
I believe correct me if I'm wrong here, but I
know you've You've done a lot of that, and kind
of as I've tried to build myself as a better golfer,
I think of the movements from from a lot of
you know, people I go work with, like, well, you're quarterbacks,
you should be do this or this or this this
you know really well, and the more I see kind
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of that ground force reaction when it comes to golf.
It does make me think of shooting a basketball being
able to use the ground to elevate up to shoot.
Same thing with football being able to create that disassociation
and get that foot down to create the force to
then accelerate to throw the football. How much are the
simularities with all the sports, would you say when you
do look at the ground force reactions.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Well, I'm sitting in front of my golf simulator in
my office.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
The balls around here, h you like the background I.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Put on for you? I love it. I love it.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
And so there's a lot of similarities. But let's break
it down into two elements. So one, when I'm getting
ready to address the golf ball, I'm getting my feet
wherever I want them. I'm going to stand, however, and
I'm going to get myself all situated and to some
extent there's we all have that friend. It takes forever,
but like, M not a shot clock out here, right,
so I can do whatever I gotta do to get
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set right. So there's the once I get my feet set,
Let's say from a quarterback, we would call that the
prepass position. So there's the things you want to work
on there. You're throwing mechanics column or your golf swing mechanics,
And yes, there's a ton of correlation between what you
want to do on both. For example, I'm not just
trying to swing my hips open. That Dac dance video
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I think ruined throwing mechanics.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
For a lot of kids.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
All that and just try to copy it. It's not
about getting my hips open, it's how I get them open.
How do I apply force through my back foot to
be able to create leverage, to be able to rotate
my hips in the direction I want to go. And
then when I actually golf, when I open up my
hip or when I'm stepping and throwing, I actually have
to come to a collision on that front hip. It
has to stop and force us to be front foot.
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And that's the part that nobody talks about. But into
that front foot, So I'm not swinging my front hip open,
I'm driving my back hip through and I've just credit.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
A folkrum on that front hip. Get kind of nerdy,
I can go wait.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
But the bigger conversation what I spend most of my
time working with quarterbacks on is are you actually getting
back to that prepass position.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Because I go to the Liegle eleven every year. I
do this.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I walk around with an iPad and I tell the
guy it doesn't even matter who it is. Hey erin
step and throw at your target, and I video you
from the side, and then I go, okay, go quick,
three and throw to your target.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
And it's just the kids. They're fifteen yards away, and.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
I hit pause right before I video it, and then
I go slow mow, and I hit pause right before
they go to throw, and it doesn't look anything like
when they just stood there and stepped in through the
majority of mechanical issues have that elite quarterbacks have stem
from a movement that preceded the throw who overstrided on
that last ball and threw it in the dirt on
a comeback. I argue, you put yourself in a position
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where the only thing you could do.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Was overstride to get out of it.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Basic hips were locked landing and triple extension not able
to actually internally rotate that hip whatever it is. So
I spend probably most of my time talking about the movement,
and if you came and watched one of my throwing
sessions today, I'd Sam Darnold out there for two hours.
We threw the last forty five minutes, an hour and
fifteen minute, no ball, no cleats, moving on turf, and
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I'm not no agility or speedwork.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I don't do that.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
How do we get develop the range of motion of
my hips, getting the ankle mobility to be able to
support the under center ride for thirty four ride, forty
thirty five, bob pass throwing a strike out of it
that we're going to actually work on for forty five minutes.
And that's the part that nobody else.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Does, which I love the fact that you brought the
whole dack thing because it's so true and you're not
just trying to say with Gothic, you're not trying to
just rip your hips open. You have to use the
ground properly to drive to get the hips to open.
It's not just a turning effect, because then everything just
gets kind of thrown up from the top and just
gets ugly from there. Let's get into these quarterbacks. Though
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you were working with one one of my I don't
know if i'd use the word sleeper, but a guy
that I had an opportunity to cover a couple of
times in Tennessee. See his arm strengthen Joe Milton. See
the athleticism a guy the ball just naturally pops off
more than maybe anyone I've ever seen in my entire life.
I mean, I throw. I saw him throw a six
yard touchdown with the ball maybe went ten yards in
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the air. Unbelievable, unbelievable freak of an athlete. A guy
that I would take a definitely a flyer on somewhere third,
fourth round and just say, you know what, big kid,
great athleticism, that's what he can do. Your thoughts working
with him? How much has he grown since the guy
that just wants to put a hole in the wall
to maybe what you try to improve in his game
to maybe get him or even earlier in the NFL draft.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Yeah, I think with a lot of you know, talented guys,
whether it's high school of college, you know, you guys,
guys are great throwers, and then they need to become
a great passer, and then they need to learn how
to become a great quarterback. Right where an element of
the game is passing, right, And so he was way
further down, you know, he's been I think a really
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really good passer since I've been paying attention to him
the last few years. You go back to the beginning
of the story. I mean, he was seventeen at Michigan.
He was the youngest guy there. And where he grew
up in Michigan and urban Michigan are two very different settings.
And then they were really musical chairs at quarterback you're
talking about, you know, say Patterson was there and Joe
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was there, and then Kate McNamara inserted in before the j. J.
McCarthy run, and so you know, it was a weird
time at Michigan, right, They weren't going fifteen to oh
during that period.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
And then you know.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
In the competition, you know, Hendon Hooker emerges, and then
we turned. We come to find out Hendon Hooker is
a really good player. He should have won the hip
arguably if he didn't tear his nee up. And so
it's not like he got beat out by a back guy.
He beat out by a guy who's also a client
of mine that I think is gonna start a lot
of games in the NFL and player for a long time.
And then this last year there was some some ups
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and downs, and I'll see some incredible places on tape,
and it's also a system that's a little different. It
doesn't if you're in and you watch Tennessee, you don't
see a lot transfer I'll argue more transfers than a
Rake casual fan would say. But I think seeing his
buy in and his attention to detailing his work ethic,
he's the guy that, again we do a lot of
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stuff on the movement side of things, he's just always
you look over there and you see across the building
and he's like just kind of with no ball, just
continuing to build on whatever it is that we're working on.
And so he's just always on his mind, he's always
thinking about it, he's always getting better, and that was
that was awesome to see.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Uh makes a guy like me become a fan really quickly.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Now I don't know what round he's gonna go, and
I think there's a chance he goes higher than those
two because flip it over here, like in the drought,
I'm not comparing him to players in the NFL right now.
I'll just say I've had a lot of guys come
through this strap program, a couple of guys going number one,
a lot of guys go in the first round.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
He's definitely the most talented I've seen at this stage.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
And I've also backed up my brother, who's like top five,
definitely top ten all time arm backed up. I backed
up Blaine Gabbert, who throws it way better than the
casual fan realizes. And so there's the I was a
college counselor at the Elite eleven when Mattie Stafford was
one of the high school kids, and Timmy Tebow, and
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so I've been around kind of all arms, and I'm
totally comfortable saying that Joe's probably is talented of a
thrower at the stage of his career as I've ever seen.
We actually went down to the place you mentioned. It's
Titleist Performance Institute TPI. It's not their business headquarters, it's
their essentially their lab. They've designed golf balls there. If
you're a golfer on tour and you play Titleist, which
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is most of them, you've been there a lot. They
have contracts with I think every baseball team, so all
the best hitters and pitchers have gone there. And we
looked at it and not the guy Greg who we
do it with, is really the godfather of all of this.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Rotational.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
So all the stuff you've heard with and you know
whether it's to stuff and rotational. Greg is the one
who this is like the godfather of all of it.
He's just in the golf industry. And I have a
partnership with Titless. We get on there a lot. And
Greg doesn't really watch football. You didn't know who Joe
Milton is. He didn't care, and he goes, hey, let's
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just pull up the data right here. The only thing
I can compare his sequence to we're not talking about videos,
we're talking about bar graphs, right The only thing compared
to is Mike trout Swain, which I praise when you
talk about sequencing. So yes, he has raw athleticism and talent,
but his sequence and it wasn't like that to Mike,
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who works with me and up to our credit as well,
it was not like that on the first assessment, but
on the end, right before he left, it was essentially
the most efficient. And to get nerdy for a second,
we really look at four pillars. So one, there's angular
velocity of the pelvis to your hips. Second is angular
velocity of your trunk. Okay, so it goes hips trunk.
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Third extension fourth is internal shoulder rotation. So we don't
flick it, we don't snap our wrist off. What we
actually do is get to elbow extension and internal shoulder rotation,
and the sequence at which that happens. His sequence is
essentially as efficient as it gets.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Damn.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
And he's sixty five to thirty eight and ran four
five five.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, and get throw a throw a seven yard bomb
while the balls in the or do a backflip. Well,
how about this is super crazy?
Speaker 4 (20:27):
All the viral of him, you know you got and
I said, like this prote I'm all right, we're gonna
take the driver out and do the thing that never happens,
but we got to do it because it's a PRODA.
So he drops back, he runs over here, Oh never mind,
comes over here, And basically I have the guy on
the backside run a ten yard stop, counts a one
thousand and one, and then take off to the back
pile on sixty percent. And then by the time we
set it up, we're gonna throw it as high and
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far as we can and it usually times out perfectly
where the guy extends.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I don't throw any fades on prodase.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Ever since jameis Winston threw somebody out of bounds and
they flipped over all the media equipment I've never thrown of.
We throw posts because we can kind of keep the
keep them on.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Yeah, that thing went like eighty something.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
But the impressive throw that was after sixty throws. By
the way, the most impressive throw is we throw a
Dino post. So picture double kind of like five maybe
the thirty and you're gonna go like twelve yards. You're
gonna widen for three. Keep your speed thin right, almost
like five yards outside the upright.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
I throw a cone in the back of the end zone.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
I back Joe up to the forty So that's forty
plus five for being a gun m hm. Complete eight
yards deep, so it's fifty three.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
And it just went like this.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, it doesn't even get off the ground.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
It feels like high.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
And I had I will say who, but I had
a two NFL quarterback coaches who I said, stand right
here on this one.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
And I kind of stood in between both of them.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
And then I just at just the exce lips.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Coming out of their mouths. I'm like, if you do
that and they both ever see you do that?
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Far, I said, Man, I've had a couple of his
games and like in the pregame warm up and then
just cover you even see from the booths some of
the throws he would make down the field, Like my god,
like I've never seen someone throw the football like that.
It just comes out so effortless. The body does work
and in amazing way. So I'm interesting who does take
a chance in him somewhere in the mid rounds and
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and takes a guy that can is that size, that's
played a decent amount of football in the SEC and
can throw it the way he throws it. It's just athletic,
you know. I will be interested to see, all right,
I don't think we need to talk a lot about one.
I just want to get your just overall thoughts on
things that maybe you don't like. I mean, we all
the things that we like about Kleb. You know, good size,
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you know, decent size, the athletic, the creativity, the ability
to move the arm, a goals, everything is it's it's
it's he's really special. I don't know how much you've
worked with him or seen him, Like, what are some
things that maybe would concern an NFL scouter team that
maybe they wake up on draft days and near mind,
you know Chicago Bears, we don't want them at one,
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which I don't think a bit happening. But what are
some things that he could improve on heading into his
rookie year. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
The way the way I talk about these guys is
is thinking about like what do I think they need
to progress in to be able to transfer what they
did in college to the NFL, and then how I
think they can do it right?
Speaker 3 (23:22):
And so I just only talk about knocks and.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Holes, And so what I would say is there's plays
on tape where he's doing something absolutely incredible, and but
but there is the hitch right there, or there is
the flat right there, or the slants open, and so
I don't like, unless i'm their quarterback coach on their team,
which I'm not for anybody saying like how can we
didn't throw it to him?
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Right?
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Because what else?
Speaker 4 (23:47):
I have too much respect for the quarterback coach in
the room coordinator, okay, right, And so it's not something
where I go, he there's the hits is open on
tape and he's makings he's doing too much that doesn't
translates to the NFL. It's like, no, that will get
coached into him and maybe it wasn't as much of
a point in a physis before, and that's totally fine.
So there would be one area where you know, I reference.
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I was texting with Mahomes. It was like two years ago,
in the middle of the season, something like a game,
you know, something like that, and he had he had
thrown a couple of touchdowns or a couple of big
plays that game, but there were like a flat route.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
It was like a stick route.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
And his point in the text was, Dude, it's crazy
once you get into the league this long, like how
many easy completions there are to take to watch Patrick
Mahomes and think that he's trying to do all this
stuff when really what they're trying to do is like
do all this stuff to like throw the flat route
to create high percentage shots. It's like when I was
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in college. My roommate in college at uteph he was
like a diehard Spurs fan and they were rolling at
that time. They were winning it at every and I
just couldn't get into it. And it was like so
many layups, it was so many bank shots from four feet.
But his point was, this is beautiful basketball because they're
creating high percentage shots, and then everyone else in the
league this is iverson and Kobe's like creating themselves. And
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I just think that's a part of his game that
I think will improve. And I don't know how much
that's him or Lincoln or whatever. It's not a knock.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
It's just.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
So much of what you do. You know this, you
were a whatever, your four or five star?
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah, yep, four or five whatever. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Oh when you're coming out, how do you become a
four or five star quarterback? How do you get in by?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Make big place, make big plays, Make.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Big plays, baby, win the Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Make big plays, lady maker.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
How do you have some fell put the ball in play?
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yep, well I learned that. I learned that lesson the
hard way. I remember. I remember heading into my third
year of Kansas City. This was preseason and it was
a you know, I'm in the quarterback battle, trying to
make the roster, and in my head, you know, before
every every every preseason game, I'm thinking like, yeah, I'm
gonna go you know, fifteen of eighteen for two thirty
and three touchdowns. I went through this and this and this,
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and in practice I was great man like practice was
my best I saw my best offseason. You know, the
OTA's the fall camp, all that. Man, I'm just dealing, dealing, dealing.
I get to the game and I'm trying to, you know,
hit home runs. I remember Coach Reid sat me down
when I got cut and he's like, Eric, if you
just would have ran the offense like you did in
practice and stop trying to make all these incredible plays
in the game, you'd still be on the team. He said,
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you didn't do that, and you were reckless with the football.
You're trying to hit home runs with. All I needed
you to do was just hit singles like you did
in practice, and it was really hard. Lesson obviously learn,
but yeah, you're trying to make the roster. You're trying
to do this. You're trying to do that, and now
you're thinking, here's your head, as I gotta throw for
forty yards in five touchdowns, and you can get there
by just taking the simple flat route, five yard pass
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in into a fifteen yard run, you know, easy stuff
like that. So I think he can. I think he's
a smart enough quarterback. Front I've heard he's obviously super athletic, and.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
What I've spent a lot of time with him.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
What I would say about Caleb if if he finds
out something that he can get better at and it's
going to make a big difference, He's gonna get better
at it real quick.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I like him. But your next one, Are you on
team Jaden? Are you team Drake? For two?
Speaker 3 (27:08):
It just depends.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
I think there's there's It depends on what the plan
is with them. I think both of them are going
to be great pros. So this isn't a knock on
on Drake. I just I think Jayden's the first pick
and a lot of other drafts. Yeah, and it happens
to be the Caleb Williams year, not the going second
or thirds affiling.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
I've just seen.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
I've seen both of them since they're a little but
I just think so much of it for Jayden transfers
right away. I've seen him as a true freshman beat
Justin Herbert at the end of the season when when
Oregon was rolling and all they had to do was
beat a crappy ASSU team, and then Jayden was like
nah as a young guy, and then watching this really
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similar setup to what happened with Burrow, you know, the
first year it's up and down, it's just okay, and
then the second year it clodes. I think that l
SU was seven and four Joe's junior year and maybe
eight and four and uh and so I think it
was something similar. And I you know, he's got great
receivers he's thrown to. I'm not trying to hear that.
All placements incredible making plays, and I think Jayden as
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a runner translates.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I think what he did in the sec I've.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Had as long as he just doesn't stop an impact
I mean crazy here kind of gets impact and just
stop and almost give himself up. And then you know,
we saw some of the most violent hits I've seen
the quarterback take throughout the season. So like I think
they're running, yeah, particular, but he just got to take
care of himself a little better.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
First year or two in the NFL, every time Josh
allen Brett broke the pocket and ran to the right,
it was either going to be a touchdown, a completion,
or an incompletion, but he was going to end up
landing on his right shoulder every time. So just and
you can't practice that in drills, So it's instincts it's
all that. It's like learning how to slide, you know, Yeah,
I was.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I was, I was. That was with Carson. You're in
Philly the same thing. Yeah, you got to learn to
yet with Carson and Philly is for a g year.
I mean he had to learn it to protect himself
and that was his big downfall was inability at times
to protect his body, which is hard for guys that
are that size. Though. I feel like Jayden, you obviously
good size with height y six three six four, but
(29:20):
Josh and Carson have more of that that physicality, you know,
two forty to fifty where their whole life they've actually
have been able to run people over, Like I don't
know if Jaden's ever been to a point where he's
been able to run someone over. So, but I'm with you.
I think Jayden too, just the athleticism is absolutely incredible.
A guy that I'm not go ahead, go drink it too.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I mean you're getting He's reinds me a lot of
Philip River.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
It's just all ball, great to great personality, great energy,
always competing, good in a bunch of sports. And so
if he if he goes it too, that makes a
ton of sense. To me too, because you're getting all
of those things. I just think with Jayden being in
two different systems playing in the SEC, I don't.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Think this whole draft should be about who can play
better faster.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
But unfortunately, that way that it is with the patients
of the fan base and the contract set up, the
way they are with front office.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
And it's unbelievable. The guy that I want to get
on with you obviously, you know out there on the
West Coast, I'm a little bit hesitant on like. I
think I've seen enough of JJ McCarthy to think that, Okay,
I like the tools that JJ has. I can't understand
(30:35):
why someone will take a chance on it, maybe in
the first round, even though he wasn't asked to do
a lot at Michigan. But a guy that like I
like Bo Nicks. I've like Bo Nix, you know, since
his freshman year at Auburn. It's hard for me to
sit down and say I think Bo Nick's the first
round quarterback. I think he's more of a mid second
to early third round guy. What are your thoughts? Am
(30:55):
I completely off targeting this one? Is he a bonafied
first rounder in your mind?
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I don't I don't really know.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
I think how you score him, it's based off that
team's need and where what roles that player to play.
And if you're asking him to play right away and
we need we're a quarterback on a rookie contract away.
I think he's played so much ball, he's so mature,
he's off the field, on the field, all of it.
You're gonna get somebody who can step right in and
do that, you know, from a skill set standpoint. One
(31:26):
thing that didn't show up a lot on tape at
Oregon because they got rid of it so quick is
you didn't get a chance to see him run around
and create as much, which he can totally do. It
just didn't happening because I landed up on offense and
him and Penix both were throwing a number one and
two so much and getting rid of it so quickly
that there wasn't a need. They didn't ask him to
(31:47):
take five and two hitches and then create. But that's
but he will need to do that in the NFL,
and I think that's a part of his game. We
didn't see a lot that will show up in the
NFL to a thing, And so yeah, I think if
somebody takes him in that first round, they know exactly
what they're getting, right, Like you exactly what you're getting
(32:07):
because you have I mean, he's played more football than
anybody in college, right, being any surprises, Plus he's so
consistent as a person, he's married, he's you know that
you know exactly what you're getting. On JJ departmenthere, we
don't know what we're getting. And what I'm about to
say is not actually his fault, right, this is no,
not at all, but it's my by far and away,
my biggest concern is you know this when you are
(32:31):
on the sideline before the game, right and Harbaugh comes
over and hits him on the shoulders, right, and you
know you're rushing for two hundred and fifty yards today.
It's just different than playing quarterback in the NFL. YEP,
I don't care if you're the Baltimore Ravens. You don't
know that the run game is going to work today.
Any point in the first quarter you could.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Have to abandon it.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
And so it's a it's a handicap. And it's again,
it's not his fault. They ran because and he's got
a couple of great backs and a great scheme and
great design, and I'm sure he was making all sorts
of checks to get them in a better run play.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
He was contributing to that.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
His threat as a runner contributes to that all positive things.
That would just be my thing where I go, I can't,
that's not go. Proteotape's not going to answer that. The
inner process isn't going to answer that. So that's where
the risk is. And he's not the first guy that
we've set out where they've had an unbelievable running game.
But you know, I don't think it's fair to say
(33:30):
that he didn't throw the ball in the second half
versus Penn State because they didn't want him to lose
like they need to. They didn't need to, and you
got to interer him head coach and all the stuff
going on then. So it's not an indictment on him.
But if I'm a so as an evaluator, as a
GM betting my job on it, that's the one where
there is there's risk associated with that termination.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
But when it comes to this pure talent, like I
remember watching JJ early on the season, and that would
tex obviously t Bob Boy co host the show with
we talk about it I talk with Jake, but you know,
former tight end at Michigan. I'd be like, man, where
where did this arm come from? Because I remember seeing
it a year ago. Then you look at some of
the throws he made in the first four games of
the season, and it was a guy that was throwing
the deep out on time, in rhythm, with a lot
(34:15):
of juice. The ball was kind of, you know, not
dying at the end of it. I was like, man, like,
I didn't realize he had that type of arm strength
and accuracy when he does get the opportunity. But is
that enough though to say, like just talent, just pure
talent wise, is he is he a first round talent?
Take away the mental not being asked to do a lot,
but just purely drop back throwing it, arm strength, athleticism.
(34:39):
Does that belong in the first round? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:41):
I think he can absolutely spin it. He's his type
of mobility. He gets to full speed quickly. Not everybody
who's asked and runs a fast forty gets to full speed.
I think if Vince Young, who's one of my all
time favorite players that I've ever watched in college, I
think it was because he didn't get to full speed
as quickly. It didn't translate. Those big runs didn't translate
the change the direction where I think JJ's does. From
(35:05):
a velocity, he can spin it, you know, he's spinner,
but a lot of these guys are too. You know,
everybody's two twenty five, and so that doesn't concern me.
So from a talent perspective, yeah, and then whether it's
the run game defense or not, I don't know. He
made a ton of plays to contribute to them going
fifteen to zero and being undefeated that last year. So
I'm not trying to hear that he was just handing
(35:27):
the ball off and throwing for action like that's not
the He made a lot of plays from Michigan this
year and handled himself really well in big moments, and
so those things translate as well. And when you're the
face of Michigan, that's a big brand. So some of
the questions that you get of a smaller school guy,
can he can he handle the spotlight? You don't have
(35:48):
those questions with JJ because you know that he's been
a you know, a model citizen on and off the
field and fantastic with the fantastic with the fans, and
so there's there's less questions, but unfortunately the big question
of what's it like when you know we can't rush today? Yeah,
can you just drop back and beat him? And I
think he can, but it's just a question that teams
(36:09):
need ask.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yeah, they need to figure that out. All right. Last one,
we're boy. Let you goo. Jordan Palmer joined us right now.
You know you're a busy man and definitely gonna go
get some hit some balls that nice little simulartor behind
you when when when you're done to get a little
bit of a break. Uh, who's the sleeper in the draft?
You know we've been you know, we know about Kayleb.
We know Jaden and Drake and JJ and we had
on bo Nicks a little bit. Obviously Michael Pennix is
(36:31):
there as well enough that would be your sleeper. Nottlick.
Who's a guy that's somewhere in the either third or
sixth round you think could not only make a roster
but possibly compete during his rookie contract, because we know
how important it is on those rookie contracts to get
a young guy that can go out there, actually go
out there and ball out. Who's the guy that we're
gonna be talking about in two or three years.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
I don't know the response is going to be this,
but I'm gonna say Spencer Rattler, and I don't train Spencer.
Certainly seen him throw it a lot and seeing and
and part of this next statement is that because they're
this needed to happen. But I've seen more maturity the
last few years, more good maturity in him than I have,
and a lot of guys and now a lot of
(37:13):
guys weren't starting where he was starting from a maturity standpoint,
and being on TV in high school and all the
you know, all the stuff.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
But that dude can rip it man and he is
very confident. He's very well spoken.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
And I think I went to Manning two years ago
and he jumps in and everybody in the stands booze.
And then at night we're all at the bar talking
about it, and none of the guys who were hanging
out Spencer get.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
It because he's cool, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
So it's just like it's just a miss misbrand, miscommunication, disconnect.
Playing well in the NFL will solve that right away.
But you know, he's done it at two schools. I
don't think it's going to be too big for him. Yeah,
he got bench for a true freshman who's going number
one and what a hYP and uh yeah, I I
don't know around Spencer's gonna go. I have no idea,
(38:02):
but I think he's going to go in there. He's
going to pick things up quickly.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
He's going to look.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Think we lost your audio there quick, real quick, Jordan. Uh,
let's see we get your back real quick talk. Can
you hear me real quick?
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (38:15):
There we go a club, Nick, Hey, there we go.
I said that we we did a little tea Bob
and I did somewhat of a small overall draft the
other day, and that was obviously I was talking a
little bit about quarterbacks and that was my sleeper too.
Just a guy that shoot hell, I thought he balled
out this year without any support offensive line with horrendous
(38:36):
his top receiver was banged up the entire season. Uh
And I thought he just kept taking it on the
chin over and over again and just answered the belt
every single game and made ros.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
But like I was talking to some guys who were
in the portal or going to go in the portal,
and they're I'm like, where are you considering? And multiple
people were like, probably not South Carolina because if Spencer
couldn't win there, then yeah, I just don't follow the
sec like you, and so I didn't know that, and
it was like, well, maybe he played a lot better
than people are giving over good.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
He played really really well. Like I watched pretty much
every single one of his games throughout the season, and
I thought he was absolutely tremendous on a team that
really did not have anywhere near the supporting cast that
a lot of these other guys did. So I'm with you.
I think he's a guy that could be third fourth
round and compete to possibly a starting guy year one,
year two, depending on the situation in front of him.
So I hope.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
So I think it'd be a great story.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yeah, all right, that is Jordan Palmer. Make sure you
can follo him on all the socials and appreciate you
jumping on once first off and the second. He let
me know those dates in Atlanta. Would love to come
out and hang out and learn something myself.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
I will, thanks for having me, man appreciate Jordan.
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Speaker 1 (41:19):
All right, everyone, appreciate y'all jumping on on the Monday.
Sorry we're a little bit late one. Make sure that
we could get Jordan apart of the show today to
break down all the quarterbacks. T Bob hopefully will be
somewhat sober and back on the show tomorrow live from Mexico.
M He's just enjoining a little golf today. Can't can't.
Can't blame a man for going out there and playing
a little golf because I got a plenty of golf
(41:41):
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