March 21, 2024 • 49 mins
Aaron Murray and T-Bob Hebert are joined by Bobby Carpenter to discuss all things Ohio State football and the Big Ten conference. With an impressive offseason behind him, Ryan Day has the Buckeyes in prime position to contend for a national championship. After watching rival Michigan win it all in 2023, how much pressure is on Ryan Day to deliver a natty to Columbus?
01:30 - Introduction
06:45 - Bobby Carpenter joins the show
16:30 - Ohio State expectations
23:15 - Tony Alford leaving Ohio State for Michigan
31:00 - Marvin Harrison Jr. NOT participating in combine or pro day
39:15 - Kadyn Proctor re-enters transfer portal
49:45 - Alabama players liking changes under DeBoer
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Yeah, what's happening, every one? Welcome in what man? It
is Thursday, March twenty first, twenty twenty four, and this
is a brand new episode of Steps Live. It is
U n C DOAA Tournament day. March Madness is upon us.
I hope you got those brackets ready, folks as Uh, well,
(00:29):
it's too late now because they're you know, the tournament
started already. I have mister recording it turned on right now.
Did you make a single bracket?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Aaron?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
No? Wow, what a bum?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I what I told when my serious XM boss told
me that, uh, we're cutting down to one show and
you don't have to cover basketball this season, I stopped
watching basketball, so.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Uh, Aaron? Have you ever heard of the paradox of choice?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
No? So? Uh?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
This is that you know, you would think that you
want more choices, right, More choices is always better with anything, right,
That's generally what we think. But what we kind of
see is that the more choices you have, the harder
it then becomes to choose. So maybe it's not desirable, right,
Like I think we've all gone through situations where you
(01:19):
and your wife had set down to watch something on
Netflix or whatever and next thing, you know, instead of
the hour that you had to watch something, you spent
forty five minutes of that hour looking for something to watch.
And you're like, whatever, you can't fucking watch anything because
we never made a choices and there's like love. Well,
I believe that with March madness, you deal with the
paradox of knowledge where if you actually watch college basketball
(01:43):
and then you actually follow this sport, you would think
that sets you up for success, but it kind of
hinders you because you know too much and so you
can't enter that picket flow state where it doesn't matter.
And that's why Nancy or Frank from the office, who
doesn't give a shit about sports, ends up winning the
bracket every year because they are free of knowledge. And
(02:04):
in that same way, I am completely ignorant when it
comes to college basketball. So just know I'm probably about
to win all of How.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Do you get?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
So?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
What's your Are you doing colors? Are you doing mascot?
Are you doing brands?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Like?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
What's the juice you're putting?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
You know?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
What's the I I just I feel it in my
balls and my gut, my my intuition. If you will,
it's I.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Who's your who's your big Cinderellavant.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
No idea, don't remember when I wrote down, does not
fucking matter. I think I like I. I do like
Will Wade, so I think I have make nie winning
a few games. I don't fucking know. Dude, Again, I
don't know. I don't know anything about the sport, but
it's fun to gamble on and or watch the next
couple of days.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Fucking actually put money on a sport that you have
no idea. Yeah, I can, I can figure putting a
bracket together, but actually throwing money in something that I
have no idea who the teams are and who's performing
and who does what or what the mattrips is seems
kind of fucking stupid.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I don't know, but I this sounds dumb, But like
I think, I think I won like a couple hundred
in last year's tournament. So I don't know. I'm just
gonna try to repeat performance. I mean, but again, I
only do it. It's it's like when I talk about,
like the only time I really ever watched college basketball
is when I'm in social settings and it's on the
television and all the boys need something to cheer for,
(03:28):
so we just got to put some money on it.
Look about Kenny. The only sport I watched is college basketball,
and I won my friend group March Manus bracket twice.
So there you go. You want to be free of knowledge,
Zach brod and gamble on March madness, Well, just gamble
what you can afford to lose. I don't want to
go full show how tani here? Have you seen that story?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Is it? Translator?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Uh? Yeah, yeah, but it gets weird right because he
set down the translator did shows. Tony's translator and best
friend paid off four and a half million dollars in
debt uh here that he owed to a bookie. Show
he paid it off for him, And on Tuesday night
he sat down with a translator with a ESPN for
ninety minutes. The translator did and he told ESPN all
about how it looked. Show Hey agreed to help me out.
(04:13):
Show Hay never gambled, Show Hey when it give me
the money to pay off the bookie because he didn't
trust me out the gamble away. So that's why his
money was in the text. YadA, YadA. Well, between Tuesday
and Wednesday, the story completely flipped. And now the translator
is saying, show, hey had no idea about any of
(04:34):
the gambling. He had no idea that I was using
the money to pay off or that that that he
paid off the booky for me, and that I stole
the money from him. So it's getting very very sketchy
in the hoti. All right, let's welcome in our guest
today four and a half million. How's it even possible?
Bad bets? You know? You know who? What did that make?
Make that mistake? Aaron Murray, a professor of finance. Okay,
(04:58):
and we are lucky enough on today show to be
joined by professor of finance himself, the truest renaissance man
and the most true sense of the word, Bobby Carpenter,
meathead extraordinaire. He's still running the Ohio State Conditioning Test.
He's hostingly shows on both his own shows, The Bobby
Carpenter Show, National shows with serious he He's the captain
(05:23):
of the Buckeye Cruise. He truly does. Bobby. What's up, brother?
How are we feeling today?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I appreciate all the introductions here and the long list
of pseudo accomplishments, I guess, but I'm just happy to
be on with you. Guys excited to be locked in here.
That showing a tiny bit. That's pretty interesting because anybody
that's been tied to gambling has been at least booted
for a year. And I'm gonna tell you this, the
(05:49):
wires are coming directly out of Show Hayes account. Yeah,
that guy, there's multiple ones of them. Don't tell me
you stole the money, dude, Like everybody was aware of
what was going on, and now Ajor League based has
got a mess on their hands because I don't think
this is full on Pete Rose because I don't. I
don't I doubt Show I had anything to do with it.
But there's money leaving his account going to an illicit
(06:11):
bookkeeping operation. It's not illegal. So yeah, this is supposed
to be washed away because I'm curious a siting.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Well especially it's especially insane because again, don't tell me
you stole the money, because literally Tuesday night you told
me you did it, and then Wednesday suddenly everything's like, no,
I actually did steal the money after lawyers got involved.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
So we'll say this is like childhood friend, like they've
known each other. This isn't some random dude to sign
to him. This this thing smells the high heaven Rob
Manfred's just happy that they're actually over right now in
in Korea, I guess, and not here where people will
be digging in.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
It's so funny. Am I dumb? But I'm like Joe.
He just looks too nice. I don't think he's missing.
I don't think he did anything. I actually believe him.
He just looks too kind. I think he's fine. And
I know this. If I'm the MLB, I will commit
every crime I possibly can to make this shit go away.
You are not about to get me to punish show
hey a Tani. No, I don't know if this is
(07:08):
all reminiscent of the Michael Jordan NBA stuff back in
the day, because I've never dove deep into that, but
you best believe I'm doing everything I can to protect
show Hayes name.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I mean, coach. You have to get like some bags
of cash and be dropping them with some FBI officials
because it's like a federal matter. This is not something
that this is gonna be swept under the rugs. It'd
been one thing if they're California had legal gambling, and
by the way, where is California with everything that goes
on out there that they chose to like grab their
moral pulse at gambling, and that's that's what we're gonna
(07:38):
stop it. You know, we're giving out needles to drug
users and the wharfs and everything else. But hey, you
know what, no gambling in California.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I think it's like Texas maybe not have legal gambling
either yet either. It's weird. I find, well, you know,
it's funny sometimes I find the states and maybe this
doesn'tmply to California, but the states with like functional state
economies tend to go to the sin stuff more or
ectually be tend to be above it more, whereas like Louisiana,
who's desperate brandy type of revo like fu, yeah, you
(08:06):
gambling lot or whatever you need?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
We got all right, that's probably one question, real quickly separate.
T Bob brought up the conditioning test that you do,
so you do the gassers, you tie the home for
your birthday and unbelievable. So I'm on the peloton. I
actually did a little hidden hills work out this morning,
so I'm sprinting pretty good, like I'm feeling like I'm like,
all right, would this accomplish the actual test. How fast
(08:30):
are you technically running? Do you think in order to
get it done? You know a gas or what are
you doing? Twenty second gas ers? How fast miles Prower
to coach twenty sev Well.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
No, seventeen seconds or how fast you're running? That's fast,
that's fast. I don't get about miles power. Seventeen seconds
is fast, dude?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, ur that was like our speed guy time that
I would run it in. So I did all twenty on.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
What do you think fifteen fifteen miles power forte?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I could probably still hit fifteen. Like the problem is
like you just lose a little bit of your explosion
as you get older. I'm not lifting like crazy heavy
legs anymore. So it's the cuts and it's like the
acceleration element, which I can. I'm lighter, so that helps some.
But I just, I mean, I lift legs a little bit,
but I just, I mean, I'm not loading up like
(09:15):
you know, chub like chubb and squatting, you know, four
ninety five for twelve SYD twenty. I did twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Second sprints today interview thirteen miles to know like would
that get it done?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
You know, you know what you want to do. How
about you don't be a pussy and you go running
on the field if you really want to, like you
know what I'm saying, like the yeah, exactly, the street exactly, Aaron,
You're you're.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Probably plenty fast enough. It's not the straight line stuff, man,
It is there to stop and then drive back out
of the hole. Like the last eight I'm like dreading,
slowing down because my knees and back hurt, and then
there acceleration is what's.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
That's what I don't want to do. I don't want
to do that.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
All right, So let's go ahead and dive into it.
We got a lot of Ohio state stuff to get to,
and I do have a Lord of the Rings question
for you in a bit, Bobby. But first, first, first,
how was the Buckeye Cruz.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
It was really great. I mean raised raised like close
to four and a half million dollars this year for
the cancer hospital. It's fun now with in the NIL
world where you can bring like current guys on and
you know, you guys are a little younger than I am,
so you got maybe the fringe of what college was
like before, like social media and like camera phones like
(10:33):
that were good, Like I had a camera phone like
probably my rookie year in the NFL. But I mean
it looked like the amateur Leprechaun sketch that you can find, yeah,
fully around the internet. That's what it was getting. And
because all these guys like they were like, what was
it like when you played? And so we start talking
about the workouts and stuff when that was different and harder.
But they're like, no, what was it like to go
(10:53):
to college then? Because the college experience now is like
a pseudo professional experience in the fish Bowl, whereas I
was like right on the edge of that where I
played with dudes who were still from the mid nineties.
This like the fifth year seniors were getting in like
in ninety seven ninety eight, so they they were fully
there like back in the day they played with guys.
(11:15):
Think you guys maybe not even know this. When you
would go to bowl games like in the mid and
early mid nineties and prior, they would give like twenty
rental cars to like the upper classmen, and you would
like have a part of that. Luke Fickle told me this,
and he's like, oh yeah, he's like you it's like
raves and I had like a rental car that we
would share that like the Rose Bowl, Like, how was
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that possibly even a good idea at all?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
That? Actually? Yeah, I look, I feel like whenever I
hear a story from the old heads is always just
about fighting. Really everybody just used to fight cops.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
If you start thinking like that's a lot of their
college I think.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Was like, basically, yeah, we debate this day. We talk
about someone someone the chat assets when would you if
you had to choose a different era to plane, when
would you do it? And we initially started with like,
I think ta box of like the seventies, maybe like
the nineties. I remember Matt Liner was talking about going
clubbing with the celebrities in LA and I was like,
you know, why why not this era? Because you can
(12:17):
get paid a shitload of money? Like that's pretty awesome too.
What era is the best to be a superstar athlete
at Ohio State or Georgia or LSU.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah, well, here's the thing, man. Money can buy a
lot of things, but it can't buy it can't buy
every experience you can try. You know, if you've ever
seen office space, you get a million bucks a million bucks,
you know, But I mean that's you're obviously paying for
it to me, And maybe this is just because it
was when I was like watching it in far enough
away that you blamerize it. But there's something about probably
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like that decade of like eighty six eighty seven or
like ninety six ninety seven, you know, where it's modern
enough that you're on national television like guys are now. Yeah,
I'm like well known, but you can also be big
man on campus where they're still calling the coach if
you're getting in trouble. And yeah, you're not like blasted
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on the news. There's no social media. Dude, you like
walk into a bar, you know, Hey, you want to
get some free drinks.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
It's cool.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
You get the best of the girls. Ye. Maybe you're
not getting you know, a half a million dollars for play,
but you get an experience that those guys today honestly
would probably give up a lot of that money to
go lift for that.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
In the week, Bobby, real quick here, can you I
don't know what the hell happened? Some static just started
popping up? Can you log off and log back on?
I don't I don't know exactly what's going on there,
but we're having some sort of technical difficulty here and
we'll get you back here in a second. That's a
(13:52):
good answer, though, Aaron, Right, Bobby, kind of hitting the
best of both worlds because you have national profile and
so you get a little bit of that taste of
like the fame and like you said, the benefits of fame,
but you kind of avoid a lot of the downsides
where you're not.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
I think it depends on position to Like me, if
I'm a quarterback knowing that I'm going to make two
million dollars, I don't know if I could pass it
up just for some good times.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Oh hell no, Look, I mean I don't know. I
think i'd take the money, but I don't know. It's
still a solid answer. See how we sound. We're good,
all right, let's get into it.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Then you can't buy it. I want to tell you.
You cannot buy experiences, man, Like you can't go buy
your youth, Like you can't go buy like these snippets
of I've bought.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Some pretty good experiences back in my day.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I got it. Believe me. I'm not saying that it
wasn't great. I had a great time at college. I
mean the time that I experienced kind of that hybrid
now though, But they're in the fish bowl man, and
like they hang out each other's houses and don't get
to do any fun stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
God, it would have been tighter to make more money
than I make now though. You know whoever to make
more money than I make as an adult? But that's whatever, buddy,
Ohio State, this is make or break, you know, I mean,
this is the year Harball leaves Michigan. Penn State's Penn State.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
You have amassed a war chest of players, adding guys
like Judkins and Downs in the offseason. I think we
all agree it's probably championship or bus for Ohio State. Uh,
how about this can? Because you have all the elements.
But then there's Will Howard And I'm not sure what
the ceiling on Will Howard is. What are the returns
that year hearing out of spring? Can Will Howard bring
(15:38):
a national championship to a hot state?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I think he can. I think he's good enough. You know,
you look at what he was able to do at
Kansas State, and everybody forgets like they won the Big
Twelve that year. You know, they beat TCU, who ultimately
played for a national title. You know, I don't know
if you're gonna look at Will Howard and say he's C. J. Stroud, Like,
it's not like he has this unbelievable arm talent where
there is a really pretty ball. I think he's a
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guy that has NFL caliber ability, but he's a he's
really big, Like he's a huge guy, physical runner, and
so I think you'll probably mix a little bit more
of that QB run in, not crazy amounts of it,
but you know, playing defense, if you have to count
a factor in that he could run it five times
a game, that changes how you call it and what
you can do defensively. So I think he has enough
(16:24):
ability to be able to lead a team to a
national championship, especially when you surround him with the type
of talent that he has the wide receiver position. I
was watching you practice earlier on earlier today and watching
Jeremiah Smith, and I know a lot of people have
talked about him is like the number one overall recruiting. Yeah,
there's some truth to those rankings, but it's like what's
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the difference between one and thirty? Like where these guys play,
you know, all these different things. This he's a he's
a grown man. Early on, he's a break. He's going
against what I think is one of the better secondaries
in the country and making plays. And so if I've
got him, like I can go out there and throw
to throw to that guy like as alma As it's
in his general vicinity, he is going to go high
(17:06):
point it and pull it off of someone's head. So
they've got the players around them to kind of make
that possible. And I'm excited to see as I know too,
your boy Hester is like the Chip Kelly running game. Yeah,
and Hester always love to show me the clips. He's like, Hey,
look at all these guys, like he's doing you know
counter Oh, you know he's pulling you know he's or
he's pulling the offensive lineman. He's pulling the f or
(17:28):
the you know you from the backside. And then they
had like a cut split with an X receiver and
he's like, look at this, he pulled the thinking receiver
like up in there for three guys clear in the way.
So he's got some unique stuff that he does. And
you kind of pair the running backs in there. It's
it's gonna be a fun time.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
What me ask you this? I mean Ryan Day, Ohio State,
known for quarterback Play has recruited a bunch of talented quarterbacks.
I'm sure there's a plenty of of twented guys in
that room right now. Like, is it one hundred percent
Walker Howard's job? Like is there a competition at all?
Or is this is we got you for a he's
in I'm sure collective payjacks man dollars, you're QB one.
It's happening where you're getting all the reps.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I don't think that it is like the right I
know they're not. He's not getting all the reps like
they're rotating him in. Devin Brown is going back and forth,
Lincoln Keyenolts, who played in the Bowl game, who probably
wasn't necessarily fully prepared for that. You know, I don't
I would discount probably Julian saying and there, Nolan, it
gets really tough to go and as a true freshman
in Play especially, I have veteran guys around you. But
(18:26):
I don't think this is a foregone conclusion that it's
well in Coward's job. I wouldn't just sit here in
stamp and I would say he's the favorite in the clubhouse, Aaron,
and you'd feel good betting on him. But I don't
think this is like a sixteen upsetting a one if
he's not the starter.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Oh, you mentioned the running backs, and uh Ohio State
actually without a running back coach right now. Now, our
guy John Schultz has been begging us to talk about
this on this show. So I'm glad it's finally coming
up now because we have not covered it yet to
(19:03):
this point. But Tony Alford was running back coach at
Ohio State for nine years. We're talking the cat that
coaches Eagle Elliott, JK. Dobbins, obviously Drevan Henderson. Now he
was making great money, over seven hundred and seventy k.
He had an assistant head coach title for offense, great recruiter.
What's the story behind Tony Alford leaving Ohio State and
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going to Michigan?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
So, you know, first and foremost, I really like Tony.
I mean, when you're someplace a long time, you get
to know guys. And it's been here nine years. He leaves,
his kids had kind of grown up. I think his
son is just graduating high school this year and going
to play college at a smaller school, and so I
think there's some stability, Like if you can be someplace
nine years and have success in coaching. That's a huge win.
(19:51):
Your kids all basically go to school kind of throughout
their same existence, which is unbelievable. Part of it is
I think he's also been there nine years and he applied,
you know, he wanted him to get the Colorado State
head coaching job, which was what his alma mater was.
A couple of years ago, maybe two years ago. I
think he was applied for some oc jobs coming it
(20:12):
in the mix for those and just hasn't gotten them.
So I think it just got a little stale for him.
At Ohio State and you know, Michigan, I think they
offered him eight to fifty. They offered him a third
year on his deal Ohio State from my knowledge, it
was like eight hundred, and they only gave the two
years moving on. And I think it's like, hey, you've
got to you know, expand maybe your coaching tree, you're
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coaching connections, if you want to make that next step.
And I say all that because I love Tony, but
circumstances and situations can kind of dictate everything. And I
say this like timing and team in the combination of
how it went down is what people are kind of
upset with at Ohio State, where yeah, if you what
to Michigan after the season, okay, like not a great look.
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People aren't really happy about it. Taking another job when
we get the springball people would have said, okay, not
a great block. You're not really happy about it. Okay,
But when you go to your lival after already like
having a couple of Springs practices. I think it was
kind of told to Ryan on his birthday. Why last
Tuesday birthday? So it feels a little more personal when
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you get to that.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is I didn't realize that. I mean,
that is so so yeah, the timing of it already
was bad with springball and everything. The birthday thing is
an element that kind of does make you raise your
eyebrows a little bit, Bobby. So, I don't know what's
going on that static just came back. Here's here's what
I think I want to do, because we're keeping you.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
For a while.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Here, I got like two more questions. Can we log
off and log on one more time? And then yeah,
and I'm really sorry this is happening, and then and
then then we'll let you go and go about your
multiple jobs. That you have. I don't know what it is, guys,
you can't. Uh So. Jeffs Will says that the MICI
(22:11):
Rejeordan bro One thing I've learned in doing live production,
especially in the Internet age, we're all like skyping or
whatever stream yard from all over the country. You never
know what the hell it is, dude. It's not the
It's not like like, okay, let it go.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
You remember it was you weren't even you. You weren't
even put it on the right input.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
There we go, okay, okay, here we go, okay, okay.
So we got an Tony Alford who is the biggest
threat to Ohio State in the Big Ten this year.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I think you probably have to go with Oregon and
then Penn State. Maybe crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
That's crazy that Oregon is already is rocking up. The
answer is not crazy. I think it's interesting that we've
always made fun of the PAC twelve and everything, but
the timing has worked out to the point where Oregon
could join the Big Ten and immediately be considered the
biggest threat to a hostate. That's that's surprising.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
You look at what Dan Lanning's done there. I mean,
he's recruited well and then the biggest piece is like
college football is driven by quarterbacks, and they got Dan
Lanning to come in, or not Dan Lanning about Dylan
Gabriel to come in, and so they have that fixed quarterback.
They have the elite weapons around him, good defense. You know,
Michigan's going to be a little bit down. Washington lost
their court or you know, Kailen de Bor. They've lost
(23:27):
so much USC. I mean, what were they seven and
five at gayton Ford last year? So it's like they
were great. You know, Penn State I think will be better,
but I think it's got to be Oregon. It's just
crazy to kind of think that when you're talking about, hey,
who are the It's like Texas and Oklahoma being in
the Big or the SEC. It's like that that's not
really a team that you think of when you're talking
(23:48):
about who can challenge for a conference title.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
A lot of people are saying the obviously the pressures,
I don't have to say they win a national championship,
pressure on Penn State to just make the playoffs. Playoff
seems like it's perfect for a team like Penn State
that's been very consistent around that. Obviously, ten and two
marches can't get past Michigan and Ohio State. Is that
the feeling you think for Penn State, like you got
(24:11):
to you have to at least make the playoffs this year?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I think that is real because if you look at it, guys,
I mean, the SEC and the Big ten are probably
gonna get seven, maybe eight teams combined, and so if
you're the third team, you're getting in for sure. Fourth team,
if you've got like the right wins and maybe you're
ten and two, you can slide in there. So I
think that that's pushed it down to now where if
you don't make the playoff, it's a little bit NCAA
(24:34):
tournament esque. At some schools where you know you've always
been in the top three, there's really non excuse not
to be in the top three, probably you know, more
than one out of every five or six years. So
I would say that's very true for Penn State.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I like this from the chat We're all pain asking,
asked Bobby how much of a jump can Matt Rule
make in year two? Obviously some drama at Nebraska, even
though I like their new ad higher and Troy Dannen,
he's a guy that's original for too lane but losing
Trev Alberts. I think Nebraska's president may have left as well.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
He's at Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
I think, okay, oh, yes, that's right. Yes, wait wait,
so the president went to a House state and then
Ross B. York left A and M.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
And went to Ahio State, right, So I think that
that's probably why Trev left. I think A and M's
a d and he's our president. He's spoking pretty glowingly
about him. Is very similar to uh President Carter, like
he used to run. He was a superintendent of the Naval
Academy for like a decade, top gun fighter, like all
of these things that like you kind of see it.
A and Oh he's elite dude, unbelievable. But yeah, I
(25:37):
think A and M's president is similar. And so sometimes
it's like, hey, I'd rather have my boss be aligned
with me, you know, my alma mater, but this might
be a little better. But to your question about Matt Ruhle,
I think he can get them to you know, an
eight win team, like they haven't been that far off.
They just lost all those close games with Scott Frost.
(25:58):
You should be in a pretty good position. I think
their positioned better in the nil space. You know, they
got Rayola coming in. I don't know if he'll be
great his freshman year, but they've got a lot of
things put in place where I don't think they're going
to be fantastic, but they should be able to probably
surpass that seven win mark and maybe get to eight. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Well, I listened to that he'll be better than what
they had at the quarterback position in the previous two years,
so they hopefully there god awful. I want to ask
you this real quick, a little bit someone off topic.
Did Marvin Harrison Junior news about the no pro day
no combine? What are the feelings about, you know, kind
of his decision making. Is he trying to hide something
(26:37):
or is it truly like I had nothing to prove.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
From the one I've talked to, you know and garnered
and you know, talking to him, I was like, you know,
I asked him earlier this week. He was Now, I
told everybody the combine, like, what do you want to
see now? With nine teams, you guys need to see anything.
And I guess everybody said we're good and so like,
I mean, I'm up. I wish I was that good
that like you could say that, and I've talked to
Hester about and it's like, hey, you know, does neighbors
(27:01):
pass him up because he doesn't work out in the
eyes of a team or two? And if you're okay
with that happening, then like, I guess you don't really
need to. But you ask your people that are gonna
hire you, do you need any more evidence that I'm
the guy for the job. And if they tell you no,
I don't know what you're going out there to really do.
Because the other thing is like training for the combine.
It's like training for a track meet, so like you're
(27:23):
doing this stuff, it's not really football conditioning. So you're, well,
I'm just gonna keep doing football related work and then
I'll just be more ready for OTAs. It's kind of
a revolutionary approach. He's got a Hall of Fame dad,
he's got a really nice resume. And if we'll see,
honestly how it works out and maybe it impacts him.
He slides down to like six or seven and his
second wide receiver taken, or maybe he's the third or
(27:44):
fourth guy. First wide receiver off the board.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Where does he stack up in Ohio State greats the
past four or five years.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Oh gosh, that's tough. I mean, he's probably the most
complete of all of them. Oh wow, Jarreed Wilson really good,
Chris Alve really good. You know, Michael Thomas and him
share some similar attributes, but he's a faster version of
Michael Thomas. Michael Thomas great possession body receiver. He can
get over the top on you. But he's in a
four or five, three or something. Yeah. People go, man,
(28:13):
you know that's slow for him. I go, that's what
he is. I'm like, it's not slow for him. He's
just not the fastest dude. But you know what, you
give him a good quarterback and he'll go get you
fifteen hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Bobby Carpenter hosted Bobby Carpenter's show Captain the Buck Eye Cruz.
As I said, Bobby, I'm sorry we didn't get to
the Lord of the Rings stuff. It appears that Sarn
has been interfering with the tech throughout this entire show.
But thank you so much for the time. Man, this
is awesome. He's a true renaissance man and we have
(28:46):
to do it again closer to football season. In football season, whatever,
I miss you with Jake on Fridays as well. That
makes me a bit sad, But I hope you have
a great day, my friend, and thank you for coming
on STAPs today.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Appreciate Bobby all right, man?
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yeah, I don't know, bro, how like see this what
I'm talking about technology being weird? And I hate this.
Just pissed me off because, like I really had, I
could have talked to Bobby forever and I do love that.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Man.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
How does it work where it would start to fuck
up and then gain like like like it would build
momentum and getting more and more fucked up? But people
are asking like, is it the mics this or that?
I have no idea. Explain to me how technologically that makes.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Anything works perfectly for three questions every time, and then
all of a sudden, Yeah, there's like a time. I'm like,
all right, time to start sucking up?
Speaker 1 (29:35):
All right?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, like a ramp, Like a ramp. It just consistently
went like this. Uh shut up, Bobby Man. I got
a text him, sorry about that. Damn. I forgot to
tell him how long too? Oh well, thirty minutes. That's cool? Right,
all right, real quick, we gotta get were we not
talked about Kaden Procter on this show yet.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
No, we haven't. I think it happened right after our
show on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
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Speaker 2 (31:42):
All right, jaell u Kadidproctor in what has to be
one of the funniest stories in the college football news
cycle that we have seen recently. Kateen Proctor as a
now that he will be leaving Iowa and returning to Alabama,
(32:04):
so real quick, in case you're listening to don't know
the backstory, Caden Proctor is originally from Iowa. He grew
up a massive Hawkeye fan, and he became a five
star offensive lineman. I don't know if he was the
number one player in the state of Iowa, but it
was damn close, right. He was committed to Iowa the
entire time during his high school recruitment. At the last second,
(32:27):
he flips to the Alabama Crims side. No surprise, it's
a Nick Saban. It's a Tide. Of course. Last year
rough start to the season, but ends up getting prettymn
good as a true freshman starting left tackle for the
Alabama Crymson Tide, who went leven two damn near beat
the national champion in the Rose Bowl. Like to be
a freshman starting at that position is next to impossible,
(32:50):
and he struggled at the beginning, but he got pretty
badass by the end. Well, he becomes a freshman American.
Nick Saban leaves Caden Prox's are like, Okay, you know what,
this is a great experience. What I'm going home. I'm
going back to Iowa. I'm finally gonna fulfill the dreams
of my hometown. Make everybody so happy. Well, something happened
because he went up there, spent a month or two
(33:13):
and has now announced that he is breaking Hawkeye fans
hearts for a second time as he will be returned Alabama.
And he did it on Instagram with the Michael Jordan
I'm back meme, just really just shitting all over all
the Hawkeye fans and.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
You get to Iowa and said, this ain't the same
kind of talents in Tuscaloosa. Even with a bunch of
guys leaving, this team has no chance to win a
national championship. My ass is going back to tuscalou So
with one hundred K my bank accounts from the collective
at Iowa. And I'm gonna be a criticizer. I know
we're joking about it and we're laughing, and it's it's
crazy because it's the era of cultural word. This is
(33:54):
fucking outrageous. This should not be allowed to happen. You
should not be allowed to leave, go to another university
and three months later turn back around and then go
to another university.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Wait, wait, hold on now, hold on, no, no, no, no, we
just talked about We just talked about Trev Trev Alberts
leaving ross Byork is hop back and forth, Troy Dan
and left Twulane for Washington and six months later just
left Washington for Nebraska.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
This is stupid. This is gonna ruin college football. This
is going to ruin college football.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Okay, all I'm saying is if the ads can do it,
if it's like we talked about, what did we what
did we talk about the other day? Patrick cullis right,
what no one considers a course base for himself that
has proven profitable to others. And so if ads are
doing it, presidents are doing it, coaches are doing it.
Tony Alford leaving, I'll say, going to Michigan. Yeah, dude,
(34:45):
players are gonna do it too. I mean, look, I'm
being a bit tongue in cheek. I get it's not
good for college football. I get that this is absurd,
but I don't know, man, I think it's deeply funny.
And again I still struggle to I see the part
that I don't know that I agree though, I struggle to
think that it's like really awful for the sport. It
feels a little singular. It doesn't feel like this is
(35:08):
like par for the course.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Well, politics is one to happen, just like it did
for the entire uh opting out process before bowl games. Also,
a couple of kids do it. Then all of a
sudden it gets more and more and more, and then
all of a sudden you lose half of the FISHU
starting roster before a bowl game. All of a sudden,
you get one kid the transfers and everyone wants in
the transfer.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Now.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Also, you get one kid that goes back and forth
in the matter of two months, then the next guy
is gonna do it. It's opening up the floodgates. Man,
that's the problem there. I think, no fucking rules. It
isn't do whatever you want. Hey, you're an eighteen to
twenty two year old young man who are still developing
both mentally and physically. I'm gonna give you.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Go make money here, Go make money there, Go take
from this collective, then leave and go get money here.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Happens too much, But what I can't escape is too much.
But what I can't escape is just feeling like, yeah,
that's America. I mean, like, isn't this entire system of
capitalism built theft upon getting that? Anybody?
Speaker 3 (36:13):
What did just is theft?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Bro Crypto is fucking theft. Shut the fuck up. You
were adding nothing to society. And you are creating money
out of building markets.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
For building communities. You want to be part of communities.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Exactly. That's the most vapid empty statement I have ever heard.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
You not that he took one hundred thousand dollars from
the collective and then do a month later said.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
It is crypto is capitalism. This shit is capitalism cryptos. No,
but that's what I'm saying. If this is the American way,
that's what I can't square. I feel you it's different
than you. Shouldn't you ever know?
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Should you have to pay him back?
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Or true?
Speaker 3 (36:54):
America? Good for you, kid, you get your system.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
What was the contray?
Speaker 3 (37:00):
But exactly that's why we need contracts.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
But signed something. Somebody didn't just give him a hundred
thousand dollars they fucking did. Wait, okay, hold on now,
hold on that hold on.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
He literally has one hundred thousand dollars in the bank.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
No, I have to pay back. No, but that's fine.
But that's on the contract writer's fault. When I'm saying,
that's not on the kid, that's on the But that's.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
That's saying you cannot do. You cannot say, hey, kid,
here's one hundred thousand dollars, but performance based contracts. You
can't do performance based contracts.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
That's the problem. You could lock him up like they
locked up Nico, where you can a contractor, they own
your nil rights and so had he gone back to Alabama,
that's fine, but all that money will still not go
to you, and we'll go to the collective instead. Like
we have precedents that have been set for how to
lock guys up if they they wrote, if they wrote
a bad contract, that's on them. I agree, that's on them.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
You want to tell out setting Iowa back though, I mean,
try being a donor for the Iowa Hawk guys knowing
that some kid came in and just stole your money
and left it went back to Tuscaloosa. Don't come knocking
on my door to go right into a big check
when that crap just happened as a collective and you
dropped the ball on that and you didn't write a
contract good enough, Yeah, then don't come asking for more
money from me.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
I'm not saying it's not brutal. I'm not saying it's
not just unbelievably different from anything we've ever known. What
I am saying, though, is that the courts continue to
tell us that what this is is American, right, and
like that that is what the courts have said, and
that what the NCAA has done.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
The job here you go to and get one hundred
thousand dollars and then take off and leave two weeks later,
two months later.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
I mean, any job that'll sign you to a contract
without protections and then another job offers you what do
you mean, Like, no, there's no, there's no how.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Much detroita, how much all non competes everywhere in with
these contracts you can't.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah, and non competes, in my opinion, are inherently un American.
Uh I think. I think that's the meats are the
most fucked up thing in the world you have. They
get challenged in states all the time, and they don't.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Like I said, I live with that every single day.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Again, So so let's not act like non competes are
one believed in either way. All I'm saying is the
interior they continues to tell us that you cannot cap
these cats earnings. Okay, excuse not the inter the courtroom
keeps telling us that, and so that's what you have
to figure out. And again I mean we're talking in
circles here, because what's the only way to do it
(39:39):
to do some sort of collectively bargained degree. But that's
going to take a very long time. There's a ton
of moving parts, and I don't even know if it's realistic.
Can you collectively bargain on behalf of that many people
to become a union technically? Like I I'm not sure.
Locke Hester says is being reported that any money Proctor
God was from corporate deals done from Iowa collectives for
(40:00):
what it's worth. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
I wonder if I know I agree this.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Any non compete to pay for the salary for the
term of the clause, sure, if you want to do that. Yeah,
and not competa are illegal in many states. At Zac
points out as well.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
I just I don't like it. I'm just gonna be honest, man.
Just if you ask me straight up, like is this
good for college football? I don't think it is.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
So I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm like you.
I'm not saying I like it. What I'm saying is,
though there is never going to be the two paces
out the two you're never going to go back, and
so you have to figure out how do we operate
going into the future. And and let's also be clear,
(40:43):
I'm not a major corporate CEO, right, I'm not a
major corporate shareholder. So yeah, my own opinions and inclinations
are probably to lean towards labor. And so if you're
gonna tell me this kid got one hundred K and
kind of gained the system and went back, like, I'm like,
good fucking I don't give a ship.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
What do you think the true reason is? Though, Like
I don't. I doubt Caden Proctor was thinking in advance
of like, oh, I just got this off from iowill
guess what I know I can transfer back and forth.
I'm gonna go there, get the money, hang around for
a couple of months, and then head back.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
No, no, no, what do you what do you It's
more I think No, I think it's way more sincere
than that. I think. He was like, you know, man,
the idea of returning home seems great. Nick Saban's gone
YadA YadA, and then he gets there and he's like, damn,
these facilities are nearly as nice. Eave's not nearly as good.
I don't know if I really like the vanilla can
(41:36):
be used to yeah, like am I really being set
up for the NFL? Here? Calen de Bor is definitely
more exciting coaching than Kirk Frienttz. Like the the the
reasons why you would leave I want to go back
to Alabama, I feel are many and and are very
surface avel so I don't think it was anything nefarious,
like I'm gonna gain the system because he's incurring a
(41:57):
lot of bad headlines here. Oh yeah, and doesn't he
have to stay through spring? Doesn't he have to stay
through the spring at Iowa too? That's awkward as hell.
Having to go to class now basically has like the
bigs of a bitch and getting me number one? No,
so broyl Page does no lie. The Bamba players are
really fired up by the change and practicated bors doing
things making difference. Look, I think that's true. I saw
(42:19):
the same thing at LSU where even.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Though yeah, but you make it pumped. But are they
gonna that's the same kind?
Speaker 2 (42:29):
That's what's say. I think Canada Bor is a better
coaching less miles to be clear, but like, yeah, when
the Saving guys went from saving to miles, they were like,
holy shit, this is like way tighter because in ways
it's easier and it's different, and different is always new,
and new is generally exciting. But yeah, but we have
to see what result.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
You can't.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Well, well, it was like Tom when Tom Brady left
New England and everyone knows, you know, kind of how
that ship was run there in New England and went
to Tampa. It's a whole I mean, it's it's just
two different styles. And obviously Nick and why am I
drawing a blank right now? Former coach in New England
Bill Belichick? Bill Belichick and obviously we know how close
those two are ran it very tight with how everything
(43:09):
was organized to the grind and you kind of lived
at the facility. And then he goes to Bruce Arians.
So I was with in Arizona for a little bit. Yeah,
and Bruce is like, you get in at like eight o'clock,
you meet, you ran practice, and you're out by like
two or three. It was crazy. Oh dude, I was
like at three o'clock we were done. I'm like even
in Kansas City, we went to about like five thirty
(43:29):
six and then we stayed in for more quarterbacks UF,
but like everyone was almost out of the facility. By
four it was empty, and Tom's kind of like center, Like, damn,
I'm used to be in New England from six o'clock
to nine o'clock at night. So yeah, like it's probably
a better quality of life, I'm sure than the way
Nick Saban ran it. But once again, you cannot argue
with the results of championships. So yeah, well that run.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yeah, And again all I'm saying is I definitely understand though,
if there's a lot of positive news coming out from
the players themselves. I could, I could. I could see that.
George monte Cole Cubick said Bama Prode was strange to
hear people talking, loud, music playing, laughing, nothing like it
used to be. Yeah, new sheriff in town, folks. And yes,
(44:15):
John Devinteen saving his regimen and every minutes planned out. Yeah, yeah,
that's absolutely how it is, Brad Bush. You guys fill
out your basketball brackets like hot Yukon winning it. I
think I did, Houston winning it in one, and then
I think I randomly ended up with Tennessee in another.
I just saw I saw one video of the Japanese
step Steph Curry on Nebraska though, and I think I
(44:36):
put Nebraska in every Final four bracket that it did.
So that's how it's done. Boys, let's fucking go all right. Finally,
Aaron SEC schedules released for twenty thirty five. Our opponents
Conference opponents released twenty twenty five, and all it is
is the twenty four schedule but flipped. So everybody you
play in twenty four, you will play in twenty five.
(44:58):
Only the home and away will switch. And remember this
is because if you do it this way with one
permanent opponent and then seven rotators in a four year period,
you'll play a home and away with everybody.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Yeah, I love it, man. You know how gooddy you
were when we saw the schedule this year when the
SEC came out. We're all looking at your like, oh
my god, we get this matchup in this matchup and
then now you get it all over again but on
the other stadium. So a huge one for the SEC.
It will continue to look like this. I mean, honestly,
it could get better. I do think we're going to
get to a point t where we're going to have
(45:30):
nine conference games. So for how good this looks right
now at another SEC game, it's going to even look
even better going forward.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Yeah, they Yeah, but Disney's got to pay for that first. Oh,
I don't know where Disney's appetite is for that quite yet.
I don't know they see the value in a ninth game.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
They just spent one point two billion dollars per year
for the playoffs, so we'll be interesting much money Mickey
has to to spend on another SEC game.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
That's what I'm saying. And already I know that like
Disney as a corporation doesn't love the ESPN property. They've
been trying to get rid of it kind of in
a lot of ways. So we'll see where it goes. LSU,
for what it's worth, I think has a pretty brutal
away schedule twenty five. They'll open the season at Clemson,
then they'll go to Alabama too, Ole Miss two Oklahoma
(46:18):
into Vanderbilt. That doesn't matter, but those that's a pretty
big three. I'm trying to see if I think anybody's
road schedule looks tougher.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Well, so they get forgetting the easy schedule this year?
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, Oh for sure. Just the way
the road bumps. It's the new ah SC everything's going
to be everything's going to be tough.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
The longhorns left the truck. Everyone's heat. They don't see
anything too crazy. Tex A and M has to go
to Arkansas, l s U, Missouri and Texas. I would
say that's a pretty good.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Yeah, if missus stay is good, that's another big three
you have to travel to for sure?
Speaker 1 (46:55):
For sure?
Speaker 2 (46:56):
What does Florida have? Probably Florida probably has to go
like to Georgia to Bama.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Check. No.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
As you know, I was about to, I was about
to make a joke about how they're randomly played the
game in Athens just to fuck Florida and napleur.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
Arkansas is a pretty tough go. They got four. They
have to travel to LSU Ole, miss Tennessee, and Texas.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
Yeah, you saw.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Arkansas got bent over a little bit.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
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what an incentive, guys. Aaron Murray's gonna chug a beer.
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Yeah, what's happening, every one? Welcome in what man? It
is Thursday, March twenty first, twenty twenty four, and this
is a brand new episode of Steps Live. It is
U n C DOAA Tournament day. March Madness is upon us.
I hope you got those brackets ready, folks as Uh, well,
(00:29):
it's too late now because they're you know, the tournament
started already. I have mister recording it turned on right now.
Did you make a single bracket?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Aaron?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
No? Wow, what a bum?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I what I told when my serious XM boss told
me that, uh, we're cutting down to one show and
you don't have to cover basketball this season, I stopped
watching basketball, so.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Uh, Aaron? Have you ever heard of the paradox of choice?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
No? So? Uh?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
This is that you know, you would think that you
want more choices, right, More choices is always better with anything, right,
That's generally what we think. But what we kind of
see is that the more choices you have, the harder
it then becomes to choose. So maybe it's not desirable, right,
Like I think we've all gone through situations where you
(01:19):
and your wife had set down to watch something on
Netflix or whatever and next thing, you know, instead of
the hour that you had to watch something, you spent
forty five minutes of that hour looking for something to watch.
And you're like, whatever, you can't fucking watch anything because
we never made a choices and there's like love. Well,
I believe that with March madness, you deal with the
paradox of knowledge where if you actually watch college basketball
(01:43):
and then you actually follow this sport, you would think
that sets you up for success, but it kind of
hinders you because you know too much and so you
can't enter that picket flow state where it doesn't matter.
And that's why Nancy or Frank from the office, who
doesn't give a shit about sports, ends up winning the
bracket every year because they are free of knowledge. And
(02:04):
in that same way, I am completely ignorant when it
comes to college basketball. So just know I'm probably about
to win all of How.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Do you get?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
So?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
What's your Are you doing colors? Are you doing mascot?
Are you doing brands?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Like?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
What's the juice you're putting?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
You know?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
What's the I I just I feel it in my
balls and my gut, my my intuition. If you will,
it's I.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Who's your who's your big Cinderellavant.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
No idea, don't remember when I wrote down, does not
fucking matter. I think I like I. I do like
Will Wade, so I think I have make nie winning
a few games. I don't fucking know. Dude, Again, I
don't know. I don't know anything about the sport, but
it's fun to gamble on and or watch the next
couple of days.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Fucking actually put money on a sport that you have
no idea. Yeah, I can, I can figure putting a
bracket together, but actually throwing money in something that I
have no idea who the teams are and who's performing
and who does what or what the mattrips is seems
kind of fucking stupid.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I don't know, but I this sounds dumb, But like
I think, I think I won like a couple hundred
in last year's tournament. So I don't know. I'm just
gonna try to repeat performance. I mean, but again, I
only do it. It's it's like when I talk about,
like the only time I really ever watched college basketball
is when I'm in social settings and it's on the
television and all the boys need something to cheer for,
(03:28):
so we just got to put some money on it.
Look about Kenny. The only sport I watched is college basketball,
and I won my friend group March Manus bracket twice.
So there you go. You want to be free of knowledge,
Zach brod and gamble on March madness, Well, just gamble
what you can afford to lose. I don't want to
go full show how tani here? Have you seen that story?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Is it? Translator?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Uh? Yeah, yeah, but it gets weird right because he
set down the translator did shows. Tony's translator and best
friend paid off four and a half million dollars in
debt uh here that he owed to a bookie. Show
he paid it off for him, And on Tuesday night
he sat down with a translator with a ESPN for
ninety minutes. The translator did and he told ESPN all
about how it looked. Show Hey agreed to help me out.
(04:13):
Show Hay never gambled, Show Hey when it give me
the money to pay off the bookie because he didn't
trust me out the gamble away. So that's why his
money was in the text. YadA, YadA. Well, between Tuesday
and Wednesday, the story completely flipped. And now the translator
is saying, show, hey had no idea about any of
(04:34):
the gambling. He had no idea that I was using
the money to pay off or that that that he
paid off the booky for me, and that I stole
the money from him. So it's getting very very sketchy
in the hoti. All right, let's welcome in our guest
today four and a half million. How's it even possible?
Bad bets? You know? You know who? What did that make?
Make that mistake? Aaron Murray, a professor of finance. Okay,
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and we are lucky enough on today show to be
joined by professor of finance himself, the truest renaissance man
and the most true sense of the word, Bobby Carpenter,
meathead extraordinaire. He's still running the Ohio State Conditioning Test.
He's hostingly shows on both his own shows, The Bobby
Carpenter Show, National shows with serious he He's the captain
(05:23):
of the Buckeye Cruise. He truly does. Bobby. What's up, brother?
How are we feeling today?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I appreciate all the introductions here and the long list
of pseudo accomplishments, I guess, but I'm just happy to
be on with you. Guys excited to be locked in here.
That showing a tiny bit. That's pretty interesting because anybody
that's been tied to gambling has been at least booted
for a year. And I'm gonna tell you this, the
(05:49):
wires are coming directly out of Show Hayes account. Yeah,
that guy, there's multiple ones of them. Don't tell me
you stole the money, dude, Like everybody was aware of
what was going on, and now Ajor League based has
got a mess on their hands because I don't think
this is full on Pete Rose because I don't. I
don't I doubt Show I had anything to do with it.
But there's money leaving his account going to an illicit
(06:11):
bookkeeping operation. It's not illegal. So yeah, this is supposed
to be washed away because I'm curious a siting.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Well especially it's especially insane because again, don't tell me
you stole the money, because literally Tuesday night you told
me you did it, and then Wednesday suddenly everything's like, no,
I actually did steal the money after lawyers got involved.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
So we'll say this is like childhood friend, like they've
known each other. This isn't some random dude to sign
to him. This this thing smells the high heaven Rob
Manfred's just happy that they're actually over right now in
in Korea, I guess, and not here where people will
be digging in.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
It's so funny. Am I dumb? But I'm like Joe.
He just looks too nice. I don't think he's missing.
I don't think he did anything. I actually believe him.
He just looks too kind. I think he's fine. And
I know this. If I'm the MLB, I will commit
every crime I possibly can to make this shit go away.
You are not about to get me to punish show
hey a Tani. No, I don't know if this is
(07:08):
all reminiscent of the Michael Jordan NBA stuff back in
the day, because I've never dove deep into that, but
you best believe I'm doing everything I can to protect
show Hayes name.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I mean, coach. You have to get like some bags
of cash and be dropping them with some FBI officials
because it's like a federal matter. This is not something
that this is gonna be swept under the rugs. It'd
been one thing if they're California had legal gambling, and
by the way, where is California with everything that goes
on out there that they chose to like grab their
moral pulse at gambling, and that's that's what we're gonna
(07:38):
stop it. You know, we're giving out needles to drug
users and the wharfs and everything else. But hey, you
know what, no gambling in California.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I think it's like Texas maybe not have legal gambling
either yet either. It's weird. I find, well, you know,
it's funny sometimes I find the states and maybe this
doesn'tmply to California, but the states with like functional state
economies tend to go to the sin stuff more or
ectually be tend to be above it more, whereas like Louisiana,
who's desperate brandy type of revo like fu, yeah, you
(08:06):
gambling lot or whatever you need?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
We got all right, that's probably one question, real quickly separate.
T Bob brought up the conditioning test that you do,
so you do the gassers, you tie the home for
your birthday and unbelievable. So I'm on the peloton. I
actually did a little hidden hills work out this morning,
so I'm sprinting pretty good, like I'm feeling like I'm like,
all right, would this accomplish the actual test. How fast
(08:30):
are you technically running? Do you think in order to
get it done? You know a gas or what are
you doing? Twenty second gas ers? How fast miles Prower
to coach twenty sev Well.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
No, seventeen seconds or how fast you're running? That's fast,
that's fast. I don't get about miles power. Seventeen seconds
is fast, dude?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, ur that was like our speed guy time that
I would run it in. So I did all twenty on.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
What do you think fifteen fifteen miles power forte?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I could probably still hit fifteen. Like the problem is
like you just lose a little bit of your explosion
as you get older. I'm not lifting like crazy heavy
legs anymore. So it's the cuts and it's like the
acceleration element, which I can. I'm lighter, so that helps some.
But I just, I mean, I lift legs a little bit,
but I just, I mean, I'm not loading up like
(09:15):
you know, chub like chubb and squatting, you know, four
ninety five for twelve SYD twenty. I did twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Second sprints today interview thirteen miles to know like would
that get it done?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
You know, you know what you want to do. How
about you don't be a pussy and you go running
on the field if you really want to, like you
know what I'm saying, like the yeah, exactly, the street exactly, Aaron,
You're you're.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Probably plenty fast enough. It's not the straight line stuff, man,
It is there to stop and then drive back out
of the hole. Like the last eight I'm like dreading,
slowing down because my knees and back hurt, and then
there acceleration is what's.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
That's what I don't want to do. I don't want
to do that.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
All right, So let's go ahead and dive into it.
We got a lot of Ohio state stuff to get to,
and I do have a Lord of the Rings question
for you in a bit, Bobby. But first, first, first,
how was the Buckeye Cruz.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
It was really great. I mean raised raised like close
to four and a half million dollars this year for
the cancer hospital. It's fun now with in the NIL
world where you can bring like current guys on and
you know, you guys are a little younger than I am,
so you got maybe the fringe of what college was
like before, like social media and like camera phones like
(10:33):
that were good, Like I had a camera phone like
probably my rookie year in the NFL. But I mean
it looked like the amateur Leprechaun sketch that you can find, yeah,
fully around the internet. That's what it was getting. And
because all these guys like they were like, what was
it like when you played? And so we start talking
about the workouts and stuff when that was different and harder.
But they're like, no, what was it like to go
(10:53):
to college then? Because the college experience now is like
a pseudo professional experience in the fish Bowl, whereas I
was like right on the edge of that where I
played with dudes who were still from the mid nineties.
This like the fifth year seniors were getting in like
in ninety seven ninety eight, so they they were fully
there like back in the day they played with guys.
(11:15):
Think you guys maybe not even know this. When you
would go to bowl games like in the mid and
early mid nineties and prior, they would give like twenty
rental cars to like the upper classmen, and you would
like have a part of that. Luke Fickle told me this,
and he's like, oh yeah, he's like you it's like
raves and I had like a rental car that we
would share that like the Rose Bowl, Like, how was
(11:37):
that possibly even a good idea at all?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
That? Actually? Yeah, I look, I feel like whenever I
hear a story from the old heads is always just
about fighting. Really everybody just used to fight cops.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
If you start thinking like that's a lot of their
college I think.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Was like, basically, yeah, we debate this day. We talk
about someone someone the chat assets when would you if
you had to choose a different era to plane, when
would you do it? And we initially started with like,
I think ta box of like the seventies, maybe like
the nineties. I remember Matt Liner was talking about going
clubbing with the celebrities in LA and I was like,
you know, why why not this era? Because you can
(12:17):
get paid a shitload of money? Like that's pretty awesome too.
What era is the best to be a superstar athlete
at Ohio State or Georgia or LSU.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah, well, here's the thing, man. Money can buy a
lot of things, but it can't buy it can't buy
every experience you can try. You know, if you've ever
seen office space, you get a million bucks a million bucks,
you know, But I mean that's you're obviously paying for
it to me, And maybe this is just because it
was when I was like watching it in far enough
away that you blamerize it. But there's something about probably
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like that decade of like eighty six eighty seven or
like ninety six ninety seven, you know, where it's modern
enough that you're on national television like guys are now. Yeah,
I'm like well known, but you can also be big
man on campus where they're still calling the coach if
you're getting in trouble. And yeah, you're not like blasted
(13:11):
on the news. There's no social media. Dude, you like
walk into a bar, you know, Hey, you want to
get some free drinks.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
It's cool.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
You get the best of the girls. Ye. Maybe you're
not getting you know, a half a million dollars for play,
but you get an experience that those guys today honestly
would probably give up a lot of that money to
go lift for that.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
In the week, Bobby, real quick here, can you I
don't know what the hell happened? Some static just started
popping up? Can you log off and log back on?
I don't I don't know exactly what's going on there,
but we're having some sort of technical difficulty here and
we'll get you back here in a second. That's a
(13:52):
good answer, though, Aaron, Right, Bobby, kind of hitting the
best of both worlds because you have national profile and
so you get a little bit of that taste of
like the fame and like you said, the benefits of fame,
but you kind of avoid a lot of the downsides
where you're not.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
I think it depends on position to Like me, if
I'm a quarterback knowing that I'm going to make two
million dollars, I don't know if I could pass it
up just for some good times.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Oh hell no, Look, I mean I don't know. I
think i'd take the money, but I don't know. It's
still a solid answer. See how we sound. We're good,
all right, let's get into it.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Then you can't buy it. I want to tell you.
You cannot buy experiences, man, Like you can't go buy
your youth, Like you can't go buy like these snippets
of I've bought.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Some pretty good experiences back in my day.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I got it. Believe me. I'm not saying that it
wasn't great. I had a great time at college. I
mean the time that I experienced kind of that hybrid
now though, But they're in the fish bowl man, and
like they hang out each other's houses and don't get
to do any fun stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
God, it would have been tighter to make more money
than I make now though. You know whoever to make
more money than I make as an adult? But that's whatever, buddy,
Ohio State, this is make or break, you know, I mean,
this is the year Harball leaves Michigan. Penn State's Penn State.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
You have amassed a war chest of players, adding guys
like Judkins and Downs in the offseason. I think we
all agree it's probably championship or bus for Ohio State. Uh,
how about this can? Because you have all the elements.
But then there's Will Howard And I'm not sure what
the ceiling on Will Howard is. What are the returns
that year hearing out of spring? Can Will Howard bring
(15:38):
a national championship to a hot state?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I think he can. I think he's good enough. You know,
you look at what he was able to do at
Kansas State, and everybody forgets like they won the Big
Twelve that year. You know, they beat TCU, who ultimately
played for a national title. You know, I don't know
if you're gonna look at Will Howard and say he's C. J. Stroud, Like,
it's not like he has this unbelievable arm talent where
there is a really pretty ball. I think he's a
(16:02):
guy that has NFL caliber ability, but he's a he's
really big, Like he's a huge guy, physical runner, and
so I think you'll probably mix a little bit more
of that QB run in, not crazy amounts of it,
but you know, playing defense, if you have to count
a factor in that he could run it five times
a game, that changes how you call it and what
you can do defensively. So I think he has enough
(16:24):
ability to be able to lead a team to a
national championship, especially when you surround him with the type
of talent that he has the wide receiver position. I
was watching you practice earlier on earlier today and watching
Jeremiah Smith, and I know a lot of people have
talked about him is like the number one overall recruiting. Yeah,
there's some truth to those rankings, but it's like what's
(16:45):
the difference between one and thirty? Like where these guys play,
you know, all these different things. This he's a he's
a grown man. Early on, he's a break. He's going
against what I think is one of the better secondaries
in the country and making plays. And so if I've
got him, like I can go out there and throw
to throw to that guy like as alma As it's
in his general vicinity, he is going to go high
(17:06):
point it and pull it off of someone's head. So
they've got the players around them to kind of make
that possible. And I'm excited to see as I know too,
your boy Hester is like the Chip Kelly running game. Yeah,
and Hester always love to show me the clips. He's like, Hey,
look at all these guys, like he's doing you know
counter Oh, you know he's pulling you know he's or
he's pulling the offensive lineman. He's pulling the f or
(17:28):
the you know you from the backside. And then they
had like a cut split with an X receiver and
he's like, look at this, he pulled the thinking receiver
like up in there for three guys clear in the way.
So he's got some unique stuff that he does. And
you kind of pair the running backs in there. It's
it's gonna be a fun time.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
What me ask you this? I mean Ryan Day, Ohio State,
known for quarterback Play has recruited a bunch of talented quarterbacks.
I'm sure there's a plenty of of twented guys in
that room right now. Like, is it one hundred percent
Walker Howard's job? Like is there a competition at all?
Or is this is we got you for a he's
in I'm sure collective payjacks man dollars, you're QB one.
It's happening where you're getting all the reps.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I don't think that it is like the right I
know they're not. He's not getting all the reps like
they're rotating him in. Devin Brown is going back and forth,
Lincoln Keyenolts, who played in the Bowl game, who probably
wasn't necessarily fully prepared for that. You know, I don't
I would discount probably Julian saying and there, Nolan, it
gets really tough to go and as a true freshman
in Play especially, I have veteran guys around you. But
(18:26):
I don't think this is a foregone conclusion that it's
well in Coward's job. I wouldn't just sit here in
stamp and I would say he's the favorite in the clubhouse, Aaron,
and you'd feel good betting on him. But I don't
think this is like a sixteen upsetting a one if
he's not the starter.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Oh, you mentioned the running backs, and uh Ohio State
actually without a running back coach right now. Now, our
guy John Schultz has been begging us to talk about
this on this show. So I'm glad it's finally coming
up now because we have not covered it yet to
(19:03):
this point. But Tony Alford was running back coach at
Ohio State for nine years. We're talking the cat that
coaches Eagle Elliott, JK. Dobbins, obviously Drevan Henderson. Now he
was making great money, over seven hundred and seventy k.
He had an assistant head coach title for offense, great recruiter.
What's the story behind Tony Alford leaving Ohio State and
(19:27):
going to Michigan?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
So, you know, first and foremost, I really like Tony.
I mean, when you're someplace a long time, you get
to know guys. And it's been here nine years. He leaves,
his kids had kind of grown up. I think his
son is just graduating high school this year and going
to play college at a smaller school, and so I
think there's some stability, Like if you can be someplace
nine years and have success in coaching. That's a huge win.
(19:51):
Your kids all basically go to school kind of throughout
their same existence, which is unbelievable. Part of it is
I think he's also been there nine years and he applied,
you know, he wanted him to get the Colorado State
head coaching job, which was what his alma mater was.
A couple of years ago, maybe two years ago. I
think he was applied for some oc jobs coming it
(20:12):
in the mix for those and just hasn't gotten them.
So I think it just got a little stale for him.
At Ohio State and you know, Michigan, I think they
offered him eight to fifty. They offered him a third
year on his deal Ohio State from my knowledge, it
was like eight hundred, and they only gave the two
years moving on. And I think it's like, hey, you've
got to you know, expand maybe your coaching tree, you're
(20:34):
coaching connections, if you want to make that next step.
And I say all that because I love Tony, but
circumstances and situations can kind of dictate everything. And I
say this like timing and team in the combination of
how it went down is what people are kind of
upset with at Ohio State, where yeah, if you what
to Michigan after the season, okay, like not a great look.
(20:57):
People aren't really happy about it. Taking another job when
we get the springball people would have said, okay, not
a great block. You're not really happy about it. Okay,
But when you go to your lival after already like
having a couple of Springs practices. I think it was
kind of told to Ryan on his birthday. Why last
Tuesday birthday? So it feels a little more personal when
(21:27):
you get to that.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is I didn't realize that. I mean,
that is so so yeah, the timing of it already
was bad with springball and everything. The birthday thing is
an element that kind of does make you raise your
eyebrows a little bit, Bobby. So, I don't know what's
going on that static just came back. Here's here's what
I think I want to do, because we're keeping you.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
For a while.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Here, I got like two more questions. Can we log
off and log on one more time? And then yeah,
and I'm really sorry this is happening, and then and
then then we'll let you go and go about your
multiple jobs. That you have. I don't know what it is, guys,
you can't. Uh So. Jeffs Will says that the MICI
(22:11):
Rejeordan bro One thing I've learned in doing live production,
especially in the Internet age, we're all like skyping or
whatever stream yard from all over the country. You never
know what the hell it is, dude. It's not the
It's not like like, okay, let it go.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
You remember it was you weren't even you. You weren't
even put it on the right input.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
There we go, okay, okay, here we go, okay, okay.
So we got an Tony Alford who is the biggest
threat to Ohio State in the Big Ten this year.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I think you probably have to go with Oregon and
then Penn State. Maybe crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
That's crazy that Oregon is already is rocking up. The
answer is not crazy. I think it's interesting that we've
always made fun of the PAC twelve and everything, but
the timing has worked out to the point where Oregon
could join the Big Ten and immediately be considered the
biggest threat to a hostate. That's that's surprising.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
You look at what Dan Lanning's done there. I mean,
he's recruited well and then the biggest piece is like
college football is driven by quarterbacks, and they got Dan
Lanning to come in, or not Dan Lanning about Dylan
Gabriel to come in, and so they have that fixed quarterback.
They have the elite weapons around him, good defense. You know,
Michigan's going to be a little bit down. Washington lost
their court or you know, Kailen de Bor. They've lost
(23:27):
so much USC. I mean, what were they seven and
five at gayton Ford last year? So it's like they
were great. You know, Penn State I think will be better,
but I think it's got to be Oregon. It's just
crazy to kind of think that when you're talking about, hey,
who are the It's like Texas and Oklahoma being in
the Big or the SEC. It's like that that's not
really a team that you think of when you're talking
(23:48):
about who can challenge for a conference title.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
A lot of people are saying the obviously the pressures,
I don't have to say they win a national championship,
pressure on Penn State to just make the playoffs. Playoff
seems like it's perfect for a team like Penn State
that's been very consistent around that. Obviously, ten and two
marches can't get past Michigan and Ohio State. Is that
the feeling you think for Penn State, like you got
(24:11):
to you have to at least make the playoffs this year?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I think that is real because if you look at it, guys,
I mean, the SEC and the Big ten are probably
gonna get seven, maybe eight teams combined, and so if
you're the third team, you're getting in for sure. Fourth team,
if you've got like the right wins and maybe you're
ten and two, you can slide in there. So I
think that that's pushed it down to now where if
you don't make the playoff, it's a little bit NCAA
(24:34):
tournament esque. At some schools where you know you've always
been in the top three, there's really non excuse not
to be in the top three, probably you know, more
than one out of every five or six years. So
I would say that's very true for Penn State.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I like this from the chat We're all pain asking,
asked Bobby how much of a jump can Matt Rule
make in year two? Obviously some drama at Nebraska, even
though I like their new ad higher and Troy Dannen,
he's a guy that's original for too lane but losing
Trev Alberts. I think Nebraska's president may have left as well.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
He's at Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
I think, okay, oh, yes, that's right. Yes, wait wait,
so the president went to a House state and then
Ross B. York left A and M.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
And went to Ahio State, right, So I think that
that's probably why Trev left. I think A and M's
a d and he's our president. He's spoking pretty glowingly
about him. Is very similar to uh President Carter, like
he used to run. He was a superintendent of the Naval
Academy for like a decade, top gun fighter, like all
of these things that like you kind of see it.
A and Oh he's elite dude, unbelievable. But yeah, I
(25:37):
think A and M's president is similar. And so sometimes
it's like, hey, I'd rather have my boss be aligned
with me, you know, my alma mater, but this might
be a little better. But to your question about Matt Ruhle,
I think he can get them to you know, an
eight win team, like they haven't been that far off.
They just lost all those close games with Scott Frost.
(25:58):
You should be in a pretty good position. I think
their positioned better in the nil space. You know, they
got Rayola coming in. I don't know if he'll be
great his freshman year, but they've got a lot of
things put in place where I don't think they're going
to be fantastic, but they should be able to probably
surpass that seven win mark and maybe get to eight. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Well, I listened to that he'll be better than what
they had at the quarterback position in the previous two years,
so they hopefully there god awful. I want to ask
you this real quick, a little bit someone off topic.
Did Marvin Harrison Junior news about the no pro day
no combine? What are the feelings about, you know, kind
of his decision making. Is he trying to hide something
(26:37):
or is it truly like I had nothing to prove.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
From the one I've talked to, you know and garnered
and you know, talking to him, I was like, you know,
I asked him earlier this week. He was Now, I
told everybody the combine, like, what do you want to
see now? With nine teams, you guys need to see anything.
And I guess everybody said we're good and so like,
I mean, I'm up. I wish I was that good
that like you could say that, and I've talked to
Hester about and it's like, hey, you know, does neighbors
(27:01):
pass him up because he doesn't work out in the
eyes of a team or two? And if you're okay
with that happening, then like, I guess you don't really
need to. But you ask your people that are gonna
hire you, do you need any more evidence that I'm
the guy for the job. And if they tell you no,
I don't know what you're going out there to really do.
Because the other thing is like training for the combine.
It's like training for a track meet, so like you're
(27:23):
doing this stuff, it's not really football conditioning. So you're, well,
I'm just gonna keep doing football related work and then
I'll just be more ready for OTAs. It's kind of
a revolutionary approach. He's got a Hall of Fame dad,
he's got a really nice resume. And if we'll see,
honestly how it works out and maybe it impacts him.
He slides down to like six or seven and his
second wide receiver taken, or maybe he's the third or
(27:44):
fourth guy. First wide receiver off the board.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Where does he stack up in Ohio State greats the
past four or five years.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Oh gosh, that's tough. I mean, he's probably the most
complete of all of them. Oh wow, Jarreed Wilson really good,
Chris Alve really good. You know, Michael Thomas and him
share some similar attributes, but he's a faster version of
Michael Thomas. Michael Thomas great possession body receiver. He can
get over the top on you. But he's in a
four or five, three or something. Yeah. People go, man,
(28:13):
you know that's slow for him. I go, that's what
he is. I'm like, it's not slow for him. He's
just not the fastest dude. But you know what, you
give him a good quarterback and he'll go get you
fifteen hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Bobby Carpenter hosted Bobby Carpenter's show Captain the Buck Eye Cruz.
As I said, Bobby, I'm sorry we didn't get to
the Lord of the Rings stuff. It appears that Sarn
has been interfering with the tech throughout this entire show.
But thank you so much for the time. Man, this
is awesome. He's a true renaissance man and we have
(28:46):
to do it again closer to football season. In football season, whatever,
I miss you with Jake on Fridays as well. That
makes me a bit sad, But I hope you have
a great day, my friend, and thank you for coming
on STAPs today.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Appreciate Bobby all right, man?
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yeah, I don't know, bro, how like see this what
I'm talking about technology being weird? And I hate this.
Just pissed me off because, like I really had, I
could have talked to Bobby forever and I do love that.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Man.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
How does it work where it would start to fuck
up and then gain like like like it would build
momentum and getting more and more fucked up? But people
are asking like, is it the mics this or that?
I have no idea. Explain to me how technologically that makes.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Anything works perfectly for three questions every time, and then
all of a sudden, Yeah, there's like a time. I'm like,
all right, time to start sucking up?
Speaker 1 (29:35):
All right?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, like a ramp, Like a ramp. It just consistently
went like this. Uh shut up, Bobby Man. I got
a text him, sorry about that. Damn. I forgot to
tell him how long too? Oh well, thirty minutes. That's cool? Right,
all right, real quick, we gotta get were we not
talked about Kaden Procter on this show yet.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
No, we haven't. I think it happened right after our
show on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
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Speaker 2 (31:42):
All right, jaell u Kadidproctor in what has to be
one of the funniest stories in the college football news
cycle that we have seen recently. Kateen Proctor as a
now that he will be leaving Iowa and returning to Alabama,
(32:04):
so real quick, in case you're listening to don't know
the backstory, Caden Proctor is originally from Iowa. He grew
up a massive Hawkeye fan, and he became a five
star offensive lineman. I don't know if he was the
number one player in the state of Iowa, but it
was damn close, right. He was committed to Iowa the
entire time during his high school recruitment. At the last second,
(32:27):
he flips to the Alabama Crims side. No surprise, it's
a Nick Saban. It's a Tide. Of course. Last year
rough start to the season, but ends up getting prettymn
good as a true freshman starting left tackle for the
Alabama Crymson Tide, who went leven two damn near beat
the national champion in the Rose Bowl. Like to be
a freshman starting at that position is next to impossible,
(32:50):
and he struggled at the beginning, but he got pretty
badass by the end. Well, he becomes a freshman American.
Nick Saban leaves Caden Prox's are like, Okay, you know what,
this is a great experience. What I'm going home. I'm
going back to Iowa. I'm finally gonna fulfill the dreams
of my hometown. Make everybody so happy. Well, something happened
because he went up there, spent a month or two
(33:13):
and has now announced that he is breaking Hawkeye fans
hearts for a second time as he will be returned Alabama.
And he did it on Instagram with the Michael Jordan
I'm back meme, just really just shitting all over all
the Hawkeye fans and.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
You get to Iowa and said, this ain't the same
kind of talents in Tuscaloosa. Even with a bunch of
guys leaving, this team has no chance to win a
national championship. My ass is going back to tuscalou So
with one hundred K my bank accounts from the collective
at Iowa. And I'm gonna be a criticizer. I know
we're joking about it and we're laughing, and it's it's
crazy because it's the era of cultural word. This is
(33:54):
fucking outrageous. This should not be allowed to happen. You
should not be allowed to leave, go to another university
and three months later turn back around and then go
to another university.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Wait, wait, hold on now, hold on, no, no, no, no, we
just talked about We just talked about Trev Trev Alberts
leaving ross Byork is hop back and forth, Troy Dan
and left Twulane for Washington and six months later just
left Washington for Nebraska.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
This is stupid. This is gonna ruin college football. This
is going to ruin college football.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Okay, all I'm saying is if the ads can do it,
if it's like we talked about, what did we what
did we talk about the other day? Patrick cullis right,
what no one considers a course base for himself that
has proven profitable to others. And so if ads are
doing it, presidents are doing it, coaches are doing it.
Tony Alford leaving, I'll say, going to Michigan. Yeah, dude,
(34:45):
players are gonna do it too. I mean, look, I'm
being a bit tongue in cheek. I get it's not
good for college football. I get that this is absurd,
but I don't know, man, I think it's deeply funny.
And again I still struggle to I see the part
that I don't know that I agree though, I struggle to
think that it's like really awful for the sport. It
feels a little singular. It doesn't feel like this is
(35:08):
like par for the course.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Well, politics is one to happen, just like it did
for the entire uh opting out process before bowl games. Also,
a couple of kids do it. Then all of a
sudden it gets more and more and more, and then
all of a sudden you lose half of the FISHU
starting roster before a bowl game. All of a sudden,
you get one kid the transfers and everyone wants in
the transfer.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Now.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Also, you get one kid that goes back and forth
in the matter of two months, then the next guy
is gonna do it. It's opening up the floodgates. Man,
that's the problem there. I think, no fucking rules. It
isn't do whatever you want. Hey, you're an eighteen to
twenty two year old young man who are still developing
both mentally and physically. I'm gonna give you.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Go make money here, Go make money there, Go take
from this collective, then leave and go get money here.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Happens too much, But what I can't escape is too much.
But what I can't escape is just feeling like, yeah,
that's America. I mean, like, isn't this entire system of
capitalism built theft upon getting that? Anybody?
Speaker 3 (36:13):
What did just is theft?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Bro Crypto is fucking theft. Shut the fuck up. You
were adding nothing to society. And you are creating money
out of building markets.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
For building communities. You want to be part of communities.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Exactly. That's the most vapid empty statement I have ever heard.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
You not that he took one hundred thousand dollars from
the collective and then do a month later said.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
It is crypto is capitalism. This shit is capitalism cryptos. No,
but that's what I'm saying. If this is the American way,
that's what I can't square. I feel you it's different
than you. Shouldn't you ever know?
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Should you have to pay him back?
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Or true?
Speaker 3 (36:54):
America? Good for you, kid, you get your system.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
What was the contray?
Speaker 3 (37:00):
But exactly that's why we need contracts.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
But signed something. Somebody didn't just give him a hundred
thousand dollars they fucking did. Wait, okay, hold on now,
hold on that hold on.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
He literally has one hundred thousand dollars in the bank.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
No, I have to pay back. No, but that's fine.
But that's on the contract writer's fault. When I'm saying,
that's not on the kid, that's on the But that's.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
That's saying you cannot do. You cannot say, hey, kid,
here's one hundred thousand dollars, but performance based contracts. You
can't do performance based contracts.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
That's the problem. You could lock him up like they
locked up Nico, where you can a contractor, they own
your nil rights and so had he gone back to Alabama,
that's fine, but all that money will still not go
to you, and we'll go to the collective instead. Like
we have precedents that have been set for how to
lock guys up if they they wrote, if they wrote
a bad contract, that's on them. I agree, that's on them.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
You want to tell out setting Iowa back though, I mean,
try being a donor for the Iowa Hawk guys knowing
that some kid came in and just stole your money
and left it went back to Tuscaloosa. Don't come knocking
on my door to go right into a big check
when that crap just happened as a collective and you
dropped the ball on that and you didn't write a
contract good enough, Yeah, then don't come asking for more
money from me.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
I'm not saying it's not brutal. I'm not saying it's
not just unbelievably different from anything we've ever known. What
I am saying, though, is that the courts continue to
tell us that what this is is American, right, and
like that that is what the courts have said, and
that what the NCAA has done.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
The job here you go to and get one hundred
thousand dollars and then take off and leave two weeks later,
two months later.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
I mean, any job that'll sign you to a contract
without protections and then another job offers you what do
you mean, Like, no, there's no, there's no how.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Much detroita, how much all non competes everywhere in with
these contracts you can't.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah, and non competes, in my opinion, are inherently un American.
Uh I think. I think that's the meats are the
most fucked up thing in the world you have. They
get challenged in states all the time, and they don't.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Like I said, I live with that every single day.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Again, So so let's not act like non competes are
one believed in either way. All I'm saying is the
interior they continues to tell us that you cannot cap
these cats earnings. Okay, excuse not the inter the courtroom
keeps telling us that, and so that's what you have
to figure out. And again I mean we're talking in
circles here, because what's the only way to do it
(39:39):
to do some sort of collectively bargained degree. But that's
going to take a very long time. There's a ton
of moving parts, and I don't even know if it's realistic.
Can you collectively bargain on behalf of that many people
to become a union technically? Like I I'm not sure.
Locke Hester says is being reported that any money Proctor
God was from corporate deals done from Iowa collectives for
(40:00):
what it's worth. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
I wonder if I know I agree this.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Any non compete to pay for the salary for the
term of the clause, sure, if you want to do that. Yeah,
and not competa are illegal in many states. At Zac
points out as well.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
I just I don't like it. I'm just gonna be honest, man.
Just if you ask me straight up, like is this
good for college football? I don't think it is.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
So I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm like you.
I'm not saying I like it. What I'm saying is,
though there is never going to be the two paces
out the two you're never going to go back, and
so you have to figure out how do we operate
going into the future. And and let's also be clear,
(40:43):
I'm not a major corporate CEO, right, I'm not a
major corporate shareholder. So yeah, my own opinions and inclinations
are probably to lean towards labor. And so if you're
gonna tell me this kid got one hundred K and
kind of gained the system and went back, like, I'm like,
good fucking I don't give a ship.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
What do you think the true reason is? Though, Like
I don't. I doubt Caden Proctor was thinking in advance
of like, oh, I just got this off from iowill
guess what I know I can transfer back and forth.
I'm gonna go there, get the money, hang around for
a couple of months, and then head back.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
No, no, no, what do you what do you It's
more I think No, I think it's way more sincere
than that. I think. He was like, you know, man,
the idea of returning home seems great. Nick Saban's gone
YadA YadA, and then he gets there and he's like, damn,
these facilities are nearly as nice. Eave's not nearly as good.
I don't know if I really like the vanilla can
(41:36):
be used to yeah, like am I really being set
up for the NFL? Here? Calen de Bor is definitely
more exciting coaching than Kirk Frienttz. Like the the the
reasons why you would leave I want to go back
to Alabama, I feel are many and and are very
surface avel so I don't think it was anything nefarious,
like I'm gonna gain the system because he's incurring a
(41:57):
lot of bad headlines here. Oh yeah, and doesn't he
have to stay through spring? Doesn't he have to stay
through the spring at Iowa too? That's awkward as hell.
Having to go to class now basically has like the
bigs of a bitch and getting me number one? No,
so broyl Page does no lie. The Bamba players are
really fired up by the change and practicated bors doing
things making difference. Look, I think that's true. I saw
(42:19):
the same thing at LSU where even.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Though yeah, but you make it pumped. But are they
gonna that's the same kind?
Speaker 2 (42:29):
That's what's say. I think Canada Bor is a better
coaching less miles to be clear, but like, yeah, when
the Saving guys went from saving to miles, they were like,
holy shit, this is like way tighter because in ways
it's easier and it's different, and different is always new,
and new is generally exciting. But yeah, but we have
to see what result.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
You can't.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Well, well, it was like Tom when Tom Brady left
New England and everyone knows, you know, kind of how
that ship was run there in New England and went
to Tampa. It's a whole I mean, it's it's just
two different styles. And obviously Nick and why am I
drawing a blank right now? Former coach in New England
Bill Belichick? Bill Belichick and obviously we know how close
those two are ran it very tight with how everything
(43:09):
was organized to the grind and you kind of lived
at the facility. And then he goes to Bruce Arians.
So I was with in Arizona for a little bit. Yeah,
and Bruce is like, you get in at like eight o'clock,
you meet, you ran practice, and you're out by like
two or three. It was crazy. Oh dude, I was
like at three o'clock we were done. I'm like even
in Kansas City, we went to about like five thirty
(43:29):
six and then we stayed in for more quarterbacks UF,
but like everyone was almost out of the facility. By
four it was empty, and Tom's kind of like center, Like, damn,
I'm used to be in New England from six o'clock
to nine o'clock at night. So yeah, like it's probably
a better quality of life, I'm sure than the way
Nick Saban ran it. But once again, you cannot argue
with the results of championships. So yeah, well that run.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yeah, And again all I'm saying is I definitely understand though,
if there's a lot of positive news coming out from
the players themselves. I could, I could. I could see that.
George monte Cole Cubick said Bama Prode was strange to
hear people talking, loud, music playing, laughing, nothing like it
used to be. Yeah, new sheriff in town, folks. And yes,
(44:15):
John Devinteen saving his regimen and every minutes planned out. Yeah, yeah,
that's absolutely how it is, Brad Bush. You guys fill
out your basketball brackets like hot Yukon winning it. I
think I did, Houston winning it in one, and then
I think I randomly ended up with Tennessee in another.
I just saw I saw one video of the Japanese
step Steph Curry on Nebraska though, and I think I
(44:36):
put Nebraska in every Final four bracket that it did.
So that's how it's done. Boys, let's fucking go all right. Finally,
Aaron SEC schedules released for twenty thirty five. Our opponents
Conference opponents released twenty twenty five, and all it is
is the twenty four schedule but flipped. So everybody you
play in twenty four, you will play in twenty five.
(44:58):
Only the home and away will switch. And remember this
is because if you do it this way with one
permanent opponent and then seven rotators in a four year period,
you'll play a home and away with everybody.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Yeah, I love it, man. You know how gooddy you
were when we saw the schedule this year when the
SEC came out. We're all looking at your like, oh
my god, we get this matchup in this matchup and
then now you get it all over again but on
the other stadium. So a huge one for the SEC.
It will continue to look like this. I mean, honestly,
it could get better. I do think we're going to
get to a point t where we're going to have
(45:30):
nine conference games. So for how good this looks right
now at another SEC game, it's going to even look
even better going forward.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Yeah, they Yeah, but Disney's got to pay for that first. Oh,
I don't know where Disney's appetite is for that quite yet.
I don't know they see the value in a ninth game.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
They just spent one point two billion dollars per year
for the playoffs, so we'll be interesting much money Mickey
has to to spend on another SEC game.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
That's what I'm saying. And already I know that like
Disney as a corporation doesn't love the ESPN property. They've
been trying to get rid of it kind of in
a lot of ways. So we'll see where it goes. LSU,
for what it's worth, I think has a pretty brutal
away schedule twenty five. They'll open the season at Clemson,
then they'll go to Alabama too, Ole Miss two Oklahoma
(46:18):
into Vanderbilt. That doesn't matter, but those that's a pretty
big three. I'm trying to see if I think anybody's
road schedule looks tougher.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Well, so they get forgetting the easy schedule this year?
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, Oh for sure. Just the way
the road bumps. It's the new ah SC everything's going
to be everything's going to be tough.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
The longhorns left the truck. Everyone's heat. They don't see
anything too crazy. Tex A and M has to go
to Arkansas, l s U, Missouri and Texas. I would
say that's a pretty good.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Yeah, if missus stay is good, that's another big three
you have to travel to for sure?
Speaker 1 (46:55):
For sure?
Speaker 2 (46:56):
What does Florida have? Probably Florida probably has to go
like to Georgia to Bama.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Check. No.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
As you know, I was about to, I was about
to make a joke about how they're randomly played the
game in Athens just to fuck Florida and napleur.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
Arkansas is a pretty tough go. They got four. They
have to travel to LSU Ole, miss Tennessee, and Texas.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
Yeah, you saw.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Arkansas got bent over a little bit.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
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friends about it. You can also, if you're listening on podcasts,
you can rate review. Hey, my friends who listen, I
(48:09):
bet you, little chuckle fox, have it rate and reviewed it?
Have you?
Speaker 1 (48:12):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Well fucking do it. Okay, you're supposed to be my
closest friends. Get it done. And when we hit fifteen
what an incentive, guys. Aaron Murray's gonna chug a beer.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
I know, go.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
I know, shocking stuff here, shocking shocking stuff here. Yeah,
call your congressman and let them know. I agree. Damn
good dog podcast. Seriously, thank you all so much.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
We love you.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
No bots, no bots. I have a strict anti bot rule.
I don't ever want to be viewbodying. I don't ever
want bought subscribers. I want our subs to be real
and be here because they actually love the show, but
the offer is appreciated Forrell though, love y'all, and uh,
I hope everybody is a great weekend. Best of luck
with your brackets even though we'll all be fucked come tomorrow.
And uh we will see you Monday. Oh and thank
(48:58):
you to Chris Tran pg's out of vacation well learned
shout out PG, But thank you to Chris Tran for
running the show today and doing a great job dealing
with the technical difficulties. We love you, We'll see you Monday.
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