Adam Lazarus, Renowned Author of 'The Wingmen'

Adam Lazarus, renowned for his notable works such as Super Bowl Monday and his latest book, The Wingmen, delves into the heroic narratives of two American icons and lifelong friends: space explorer John Glenn and Ted Williams, widely regarded as the greatest hitter in baseball history. 

 

Before the onset of the Korean War, Glenn had completed 59 combat missions during World War II, while Williams was a highly decorated WWII Marine pilot and a two-time American League Triple Crown winner at the pinnacle of his baseball career.

 

During the Korean War, the paths of these extraordinary men intersected as they were both called to serve again. The Wingmen explores how the duo bravely flew into North Korea with Glenn in the lead and Williams at his side. Lazarus unravels the profound friendship between these larger-than-life men and the unbreakable mutual respect they shared.

 

Learn more about Adam Lazarus: https://www.adamlazarusbooks.com/

 

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author who has written a book called super Bowl Monday,
which talks about, you know, going from the Persian Golf
to Miami for the Super Bowl Monday, which is what

(01:40):
the book is called. But today's book that we're going
to talk about is The Wingmen. And so I wanted
to bring you up with the Super Bowl Monday book, right,
correct me if I'm wrong, Adam Lazarus the author. So far,
so good. Right, So, so to preface it, you wrote
super Bowl Monday, and then now you've come out with
The Wingman, which is what we're going to talk about.
And then follows wow, history really you know, first of

(02:03):
all baseball seasons upon us. It's springtime and we're going
to be seeing baseball players. And Ted Williams was a
major baseball player throughout the early days of the history
of baseball. And then you have John Glenn, two unlikely
individuals who have become friends. You have an astronaut Marine
Corps pilot, multiple MiG shotdown during World War Two. John

(02:24):
Glenn went up in space again in nineteen like ninety
six or ninety eight at seventy seven years old. I
think you know. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Well, thank you so much for having me. I'm glad
to be here.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yes, so am I so far? So am I right?
So far? And everything I've said.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
A couple minor things, very minor. Fix the super Bowl Monday.
Book was about sort of the Persian golf War, the
first person golf war, and it was about the Super
Bowl played in Tampa, so not Miami but Florida, Ish.
And about John Glenn. He did shoot down three Soviet
Meg's duringing the Korean War, but he was also a

(03:01):
very decorated, highly decorated World War Two pilot on the
Pacific for a Marine Corps squadron. But yeah, it's a
book about two men who really had virtually completely opposite
backgrounds and worldviews and outlooks on everything from marriage to politics,
to religion to family events and lived completely different lives

(03:25):
from the day they were you know, could learn to walk,
to the day they died. But they had this friendship
that was that developed during the Korean War. They served
together for about five months during the Korean War towards
the end of the Korean War nineteen fifty three, And
it's an interesting story. That's how they met, that's sort
of how they got to know one another, but their
friendship persisted for many decades after that.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
So those two were both serving and they both became friends.
So Ted Williams is a Marine. Yes, wow, except for
five Okay.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
It's well, I mean he comes around at a time
that's very hard for probably modern people, like even people
you're my age, but even like especially like my kids
thought all these major athletes, and not just athletes, but
like movie actors and everyone going to World War Two
obviously got into for the most part, if you could

(04:18):
walk and were a man between the ages of like
eighteen and thirty, you went into service during World War Two.
And that's how Ted Williams first got into the Marines.
He was actually a Navy light and instruct trainer cadet
instructed cadets at a naval air station during World War Two.
He didn't serve in combat, but he stayed in something called,
I don't even know if they still have it, the
Volunteer Reserves, which meant you could basically stay in the

(04:40):
reserves for the Marines in perpetuity. You didn't have to
do any training, any kind of just any kind of
you know, requalification or anything. You just capture Marine Corps
rank in fact, oftentimes you got small promotions and you
didn't have to do anything, and people liked that. They
liked that. Ted Williams liked being called captain when he
even though he wasn't flying a plane. But it meant

(05:02):
that if when other war broke out, there was a
chance he could be recalled. And he stayed in not
thinking there was a chance that first there would be
any other kind of war. But then when the Korean
War breaks out, even that he didn't think was going
to lead to him being recalled, And then turns out
he was wrong, and he was recalled to service in
the Marines during the Korean War.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
And so what did he take? What did he do
in the Korean War? Was it? What was Ted's? You know?
They pulled him in, He's like, hey, I'm Ted Williams.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
He well, for one, he was not happy about being recalled.
He didn't like that he had missed three years during
World War Two, but everybody missed during World War two.
And he was older, he had a daughter that he
was married with a daughter. At this time, he was
the highest paid player in professional baseball, which for the
most part, really meant he was the highest paid athlete
in America and nobody else was really being not many

(05:51):
people were being recalled. It was later in the war.
The Korean War wasn't the same as like America. After
the bombing of Pearl Harbor, he wasn't happy about it,
and he did what he could get out of it.
Once it was clear that he was going to go serve,
he did his duty and he went over to a
small Marine Corps base in the southeastern tip of the
Korean Peninsula. And six days later John Glenn arrived at

(06:14):
the same base in the same squadron. And that's how
they met. Very good fortunate at least for my book
writing career, that they wound up in the same place
at the same time, with the same assignments. They went
on missions together. They flew the same type of missions
every day.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Again. Now, Ted Williams was playing baseball, right, wasn't he
an outfielder for like the Red Sox. Yeah, yeah, he was.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Most people consider him the greatest hitter of all time.
He piled up many, many records. You know, there's together
and oftentimes they were paired together with John Glenn in
the lead and Ted Williams as his wingman.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Right, And the thing is he goes and does it
like he doesn't get a waiver from some professional doctor
to like say, oh, you know you got flat feet,
you're not going. He didn't do any of that. He said,
I gotta go. My call just came.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Like was say that, Babe Ruth or some of the
more modern players, but most real baseball history experts consider
Ted Williams the greatest hitter of all time. And you're
right in He started in nineteen thirty nine. By nineteen
fifty two, when he was recalled to service, he was
in the middle of his career. He was only thirty
two years old, but he was still playing. Yeah, the

(07:21):
year before, he had played a full season for the
Red Sox, finishes the season in October nineteen fifty one,
and then on January ninth, a couple months later, while
he's fishing in Florida on his like break before spring
training starts, he gets a memo saying, you've been recalled.
So he goes and yeah. It was the middle of
his career, which is something we could never imagine today,

(07:42):
but I think is even more remarkable. He serves the
two years in the Korean War, comes back and plays
seven more seasons so it's very interesting. As I mentioned,
he did do what he could to get out of service.
He did not want to go back to service. It's
true he did what he could. He also he under
went major arm injury playing baseball two years earlier, and

(08:04):
he thought that that was going to lead to him
being disqualified medically from his Navy exam, and it turns
out it didn't happen, and they said, you're going to serve,
and he says, this is in my book, and he
said several years later that if he wanted a safe
desk job, he could have gotten it. He could have,
you know, made enough calls and lobbied the right people

(08:26):
and been assigned maybe abroad, maybe in Korea, maybe in
the United States to serve his seventeen months. Because he
was an officer, he had to serve at least seventeen months.
But he realized whatever, for a bunch of reasons, he
didn't want to do that. One of them was he was,
you know, he loved the challenge. He loved the challenge
of everything fishing, chasing women, hunting, playing baseball, but he

(08:50):
loved the challenge of being a pilot. And at this
point nineteen fifty three, nineteen fifty two. It's the beginning
of the jet age and jets had just come out,
and he loved the heel of the jet, and he
had never flown the jet. When he was in World
War Two, he only flew propeller planes, the Coursera, the
famous plane used during World War Two. But when the
Korean War breaks out and they say he has a

(09:11):
chance to go learn how to fly jets and fly
the jet over in Korea, he says, yeah, I'm game.
I want to do it. So to his credit, he
did his service. He never shirked out of a mission,
and he flew thirty nine combat missions in to communists
North Korea across the thirty eighth parallel with people shooting
at him, dropping bombs. And he had some very interesting

(09:32):
adventures and a couple with John glenn On off of
his wing.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
That's awesome. Did he ever get a World Series?

Speaker 3 (09:40):
He went to the World Series the first year back
from World War Two, which is nineteen forty six. He
had a great year when the MVP took the Boston
Red Sox to their first World Series in twenty eight years,
and he didn't play very well and they lost, and
he never got back to another World Series. It's kind
of the one great regret of his life and the
one sort of the lone Blome sh on his baseball career.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
So he kind of was involved in the curse right
that whole he read.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Sort of one of the early incarnations of the curse.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yes, yes, yes, no, I love that. Now. Now let's
let's flip the coin over to John Glenn, right, United
States senator for many years. To see, my brother was
born in seventy four. I think John Glenn became a
senator his first year seventy four, and then he served
until like almost two thousand.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Seventy four to nine, Yeah, to two thousand, that's right,
but five to ninety nine, so yeah, but yeah, his
four term senator from the state of Ohio, did some
very important worked on some very important bills and some
treaties with the reduction of arms in the late seventies.
Ran for president. Not have a very good presidential campaign,

(10:46):
and that's something that's outlined thoroughly in the book because
there's a Ted Williams story in there about Ed Williams
not endorsing him for president, which is a whole other
story that I hope your readers, your listeners and pick
up the book and find out more about But yeah,
and then all before that, before he became a senator astronaut,
first man to orbit the Earth was a very three

(11:07):
times three times, yes, the first American to orbit the
Earth three times. The third round trip around the Earth
was pretty harrowing, as if anybody who's watched the right
stuff knows, they thought there was a faulty heat shield
that might incenterate his spacecraft when it re entered Earth.
But even before, you know, one oft his he had
a you know, a Marine Corps Navy funeral at Arlington

(11:31):
when he died in twenty seven, when he died in
twenty sixteen, but in April twenty seventeen, and one of
the people were there was the senator who had occupied
his seat after he retired, and the chaplain was giving
a long explanation of John Glenn's career, everything he did,
and the senator, who was Rob Portman at the time
from Ohio, said something like, I didn't realize he was

(11:52):
a hero, right even before he orbited the Earth three times.
So his service in World War Two, service in Korea,
his work as a test pilot, he was a remarkable
individual and someone I think Americans today could really use
a person like John Glenn and their and their government.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
You know, I was thinking about that when I was
getting ready to talk with you about John Glenn. I
was like, where is that guy today?

Speaker 3 (12:15):
You know?

Speaker 2 (12:15):
And I know, I was like, is he still alive?
Is he still did I miss that? And I didn't
miss it, And I'm glad I lived through John Glenn.
I was born in nineteen seventy seven, so my whole
life has known John Glenn in it right, It wasn't
history to me. He was making history while I was alive,
while we were alive. I'm fascinated with a friend of

(12:36):
mine who came to me and I said, yeah, I'm
going to interview you. He was really excited that I
was going to interview. He's like, ask him a question.
I was like, what question do you want me to
ask him? And he's like, ask him about the bogie
at ten o'clock that John Glenn called to Houston. And
so I guess John was in space or at some
point and saw a bogie at his ten o'clock. He's

(12:58):
there's a recording of it. Do you know anything about that?

Speaker 3 (13:02):
I don't know the necessarily being a bogey at ten o'clock,
but I do know there's a famous episode while he
was orbiting the Earth, and it's covered a little more dramatically,
I think than it happened in real life in the
movie The Right Stuff. But he saw these little particles
of light when he was over the Earth, and at
the time people didn't really know what they were, and

(13:23):
there was speculation that, oh, they were little forms of light,
they were little microbes, life in space. This is proof
there's life in space. But I think it turned out
in reality that it was just ice melting and the
lights hitting the ice at a certain angle, and it
looked like what he called fireflies. They were I think
like yellowish orange, and he called them fireflies. And so

(13:44):
that hole sparked up a discussion among people that it
was life in space, and I think there was also
concern that it may have fuel was leaking or something
like that. But it turned out it was just ice
melting in the atmosphere and the light shining off have
I assumed the Sun or maybe the Earth made it
look like these little particles were flickering, and they didn't

(14:06):
look like drops of water. They looked like what he
called fireflies. No, I think that maybe what he's referring.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
To is that Yeah, he said, yeah, he said, they
asked that question. I was like, I could do that.
I'm your guy. And that's good for the listener because
someone out there has probably listened or heard that same
you know reference. Like you said, they talk about it
in the movie or they kind of hit on it
in the movie The Right Stuff, Right, What a great
movie that is about space and exploration. And you know

(14:31):
his dimes in the capsule when he's trying to get
his dimes, he's like, I need my dimes, you know,
my space dimes, the little things. It's the little things.
Go check that movie out. If you haven't seen that movie.
The Right Stuff it's about I think it's like nineteen seventies,
nineteen eighties, right, that's what it came out.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
I'm not I think in eighty four eighty three. Yeah,
And it's about the early years of the NASA missions,
the Mercury missions, which really from about nineteen fifty nine
to about nineteen sixty five ish is when the book is.
When the book and the movie are covered.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Now, as an author, okay, we haven't really talked too
much about like where you've come from, right, So what
was it that made you want to focus on, say
the Super Bowl Monday style of writing, or this book
right here, the Wingmen, where you're you're gonna bring the
story of these two gentlemen, comrades Americans together in a
book for us to enjoy.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
What was that?

Speaker 2 (15:26):
What path were you in school where you're like, I'm
gonna be a writer? Can you tell me that, like
high school or something.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah. I always been like a sports nut since when
I was a little kid, and I think I in
the early days, I remember writing like an English class.
Everyone else was writing essays on you know, movies they liked,
or things about their lives or I was always writing
about sports. I remember I wrote one essay I think
in like seventh grade that my teacher just hated because

(15:53):
it was all about a football game that I had
recently watched. And so it was just my background was
is storytelling, and I like always enjoyed storytelling. And you
tell a lot of times authors here they say you
write what you know, and I know sports. So that's
kind of how I got into writing. I was an
English major in college and I went to graduate school
in professional writing and journalism, and so I developed those skills.

(16:15):
I think I'm a pretty decent storyteller. And like I said,
you know, a lot of times it turns out you
write what you know. And for several years I wrote
sports books and they were successful and I really enjoyed
doing them. But what I came to realize after a
while was two things. One it's always hard to write
a book about individuals if they're famous, because other people

(16:38):
have written to death about them John Glenn or in
my earlier books, I wrote a book that's largely about
Arnold Palmer, the famous golfer. I wrote a book about
Joe Montana, the famous quarterback. And if you're going to
do books like that on famous people, a lot of
times you have to take a new approach, like a
new angle, and you don't tell their whole biography, because
there's biographies about everybody, biography about friend Than Roosevelt or

(17:01):
Elvis Presley or Elon Musk. There's all those biographies to
tell from the day they were born to the day
they died. And if you want to write about those,
to do it to get it people's attention and have
a publisher by it a lot of times you have
to sort of zero in on a certain aspect of
their life, and all my books have kind of done that.
I did a golf book that focused on this sort

(17:21):
of late period on Arnold Palmer's career. This book on
Joe Montana was focused on this middle part of his
his NFL career and a part that's not often remembered.
And then with this book with Super Bowl Monday, it
was the same. It was like that I focused on
a very particular part of one super Bowl and all
the people who were made that super Bowl famous. So
that was like a bunch of mini biographies that focused

(17:42):
in on one specific part of all those famous players career.
So the thing with the Wingmen about John Glenn and
Ted Williams is both of them have autobiographies, both of
them have multiple biographies written about them. Both of them
have had thousands of magazine and newspaperball cards exactly there
have been covered to death. And if you want to

(18:03):
tell a story like that, you have to have sort
of a unique angle that, like I said, sort of
magnifies one small part of their life and expands it
into a larger story.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
And that's what I did.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
With this book was I zeroed in on this friendship
between the two and what that was about, how it
came to be, how it ebbed and flowed, and how
it what the you know, heartfelt moments of it were.
But it also let me tell the larger story of
the readers of you know, who were these people and
what relevant stories helped shape their worldview at that time.
That's kind of what I've what I've learned along the way,

(18:34):
And I guess I'm always zeroed in on people more
than plots. I think readers and not just readers, but
people watch TV and watch movies. The plot's important, absolutely,
but the characters is what people care about more. It's
why we see so many like reboots of movies or sequels,
because they don't. People don't want new characters. They want
the same characters doing different things right.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
They want to see like them going yeah, you're totally right.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
That's what happened with this. John Glennon said, this book
was sort of like these were familiar people. They were
familiar people to the general public, but not many people
know this side of their story. I would hazard did
very few people, even if they were big Ted Williams
fan knew anything about his military career and much less
about his friendship with John Glenn. And John Glenn most

(19:18):
people know, oh yeah, he's that senator who was also
an astronaut. They don't know a lot of these stories.
So that's sort of how I got to this.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Well, I didn't know John Glenn was involved in the
Chinese like civil War.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Well, yeah, he was a He sort of patrolled the
skies over China for during these parts in the late
forties until eventually they had to be they pushed further
and further out of China.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
And the fact is that he had already done everything
he needed to do as a person in World War Two,
like committing himself to the service and fighting and you know,
risking everything everything, you know, everything everything for good versus evil.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
I'm not sure there are men any people in the
history of the United States who gave back more to
their country than John Glenn. I mean, he's not saying
he's the only one. I'm saying he's on that Mount Rushmore.
I think of people who served in our country, John
Glenn would have to be in the discussion for one
of the most central and that from you know, the

(20:19):
time he joined the Army Air Corps, and then they
didn't call him back, so he was two weeks later
to a Navy recruitment station. From the time he joined
the Navy in early nineteen forty two to the day
he died in twenty sixteen, I think he was giving
back to his country, whether it was as a fighter pilot,
as a test pilot, as an astronaut, as a senator,
as a humanitarian, as a statesman, as a politician in general.

(20:43):
I think he was a man who believed in public service.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah him, you know, Gerald Ford, You know these guys
that just continued to selflessly serve through the end, the
bitter end, the Boy Scout through and through. Was he?
Do you know? Was John Glenn in the Boy Scouts
at all? Do you know?

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Gosh?

Speaker 2 (21:00):
I think so. I think I always like to say
that our boy Scouts kicked Germans boy Scouts ass in
World War Two. That's how it goes right there. These
young men you know, in the early thirties growing up
to be those trying to get in at fifteen sixteen
years old. Bro.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yeah, well, I mean they also were hardened by the Depression.
John Glenn was a child with the Depression he was
eight years old when the depression hit, and it really
hurt his family. His family very much thought they were
going to lose their house in the thirties. And I
think what he said years later was that became one
of the reason became a Democrat, was that he believed

(21:36):
that Franklin Roosevelt had helped all this country out of
the depression and Green Deal and everything saved his family.
So yeah, again, I just I try not to necessarily,
you know, say how great people were, and when I'm
doing a book about them that I don't want to
sound like a cheerwriter for them. Because John Glenn had
his flaws. He certainly had a U boss and his

(21:58):
words he was exact. But I think you again, we
could ben America would benefit if there were ten or
fifteen more John Glenn's in the federal government.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah, you know really that had that same kind of like,
let's just do the right thing. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
I think he put he put policy he believed in
the United States, not Democrat, Republican or any of those
kinds of issues. I think he always did.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
What was I get a lot of big dogs on
here that have a lot of stars on their shoulders
that I talked to and I asked him, you know,
you transition from like one president to another, right as
the chief or of staff, et cetera. It's like, how'd
you do that? And they usually came back. They usually
come back to me like this rat. It doesn't matter
my political affiliation because it says US Army, US Marine,
US Coast Guard, US Navy on our stuff in the military.

(22:47):
So we understand what we're doing because it's the US.
That's what he said. And I think John Glenn probably
had that same taste. You know, it's like the US, right,
what's better? What's the best for the the US, not
my pocketbook, you know what.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
I think you're absolutely right. And as I say in
the book, John Glynne I think was a tremendous statesman.
He was great as a senator and a figure for America.
He wasn't a particularly great politician. It's one of the
reasons why I don't think he ever really got close
to being president. And he was a World War Two
and Korean War astronaut hero, and that's I think one

(23:24):
of the reasons. It helped get him elected four times
as a senator. But I think that was one of
the reasons why he wasn't a great politician was because
he didn't always play partisan politics. He believes in the
United States, and there were things he was willing to
work for if he thought had benefited the country instead
of benefiting the Democrats or this committee or his own

(23:46):
personal political aspirations.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Right right, he was. He's willing to do the right thing.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Yeah, yes, I think that's I think that was almost
always the case to John Glynn.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yes, and I love that. And I'm not trying to
put him in some type, but he would be on
my Mount Rushmore of I would say selfless Americans for sure,
now that we have a Mount Rushmore in our brains,
of who that would be. And I want my listener
to think, who would you put on a mount Rushmore
of selfless Americans? You know, I also want to say,
like John McCain, John McCain, Marine Corps, Navy pilot, pow

(24:21):
selflessly served, ram tried to become president, always just tried
to do the right thing, you know, just selflessly served.
Now aside from the politics, now, let's get back to baseball.
Sound good. So Ted Williams lived a long life, but
he lived kind of like an extravagant lifestyle. Didn't he
as his later years in life?

Speaker 3 (24:41):
I wouldn't say he lives in an extravaging lifestyle. I know,
if you're trying to think about it, maybe it's untimely demise.
Is the troubles at the end of his life. Yeah,
I don't really think that had anything to do with finances.
He didn't live.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
I don't think he lived collected. Is that the Lord
I'm living?

Speaker 3 (24:59):
Sorry?

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Is it eclectic? Is that the word is?

Speaker 3 (25:02):
He?

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Was he ecolectic?

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Like?

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Did he? Isn't he still? Like in Priirostasis?

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Yeah? So that was an unfortunate episode that I think
had to do with those of you who don't unfamiliar
with it. When he died, his body was frozen cause
his children, two of his children, believed that and maybe
one day he could be reanimated and brought back to life.
And it's frankly, it's not something I really wanted to

(25:29):
cover in the book because it's not relevant to the
Ted Williams shown Glenn friendship, except for the fact that
one the only the third child, the oldest child of
the family, was very much against this and one of
the people she publicly lobbied to come help her in
her quest to stop this was John Glenn. She said,

(25:50):
you know John Glenn. Uh. She went on TV and
she said, John Glenn, my daddy was your wingman during
the Korean War. He needs you to be his wingman
now and stop this cryogenic freezing business. And it was
a very ugly family dirty laundry being aired through the public.
And my take on it has always been there was

(26:12):
some deception and some uneasiness about what exactly true was
the truth, But I think part of it had to
do with Ted Williams did not have a very good
relationship with his children for the most part of their
lives and his life. He had three wives, we all divorced,
and he didn't, you know, he wasn't the stay at
home dad who was always there for his children. And

(26:33):
I think part of it he probably had some guilt
over how things went towards the end of his life,
and his children sort of persuaded him two of his
children's or persuaded him to do this fright cryogenic freezing,
that they were going to be frozen two so that
at someday maybe we could all be brought back to
life and together. And that was one of the interpretations.
One of his friends and doctors at the time told

(26:56):
me was basically like, yeah, sure, I'll do it. Maybe
we will get come back together and we can have
a good life together, even though we didn't have a
great life for the past thirty or forty years. But
it was a sort of hopeful maybe one day we
can all come back thing. And again, it was, as
I've said in the book, I think it's a sad
ending that it all happened, but it's even worse that

(27:17):
it was all happening through the media and the newspapers
and tabloids and people were making crude jokes about Ted
Williams frozen head and things like that, and it's just
kind of an ugly thing. I didn't. Yeah, I went
to dinner with a friend of Ted Williams a couple
when I was writing the book. He was a very
nice guy. He's an older gentleman. He's sort of was

(27:37):
a very high ranking general in the Marine Corps. Actually
he was friends with Ted Williams, and he was a
huge baseball fan and he was very very kind and grateful,
great help to me on the book, and I appreciated
him so much. And we went to dinner, and he
knew the owner of the restaurant, and he said, hey,
let's say hi to the owner.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
I know him.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
I'll tell him about you, what you're doing. And he
totally he met. We shook the owner's hand and I said, oh,
it was very nice to meet you. And he said
to him, but this is my friend Adam. He's writing
a book on Ted Williams and John Glenn and then
there are heroes of mine and it's I'm you know,
I'm helping him out. And the owner of the restaurant.
The first thing you just said was did they really
freeze his head? And I was like, I felt horrible

(28:20):
because his TEDI his friend, was right there. But it
was also like that kind of summed up how a
lot of people remember Ted Williams, right, And it's a
shame to me given not just his baseball career, but
the fact that he served in two wars, one of
which he flew thirty nine combat missions in over communist
North Korea.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
So yeah, exactly nineteen years as a baseball player too,
I think, right, he played like nineteen seasons, right, that's
you know, spring training, you know, I get it. You know,
he's got a good old cigar in his mouth. He's
a pro athlete. Yeah, Okay. When I was young and
I was sixteen, I had aspirations of professional baseball. I
wanted to be a pro ball I could play, I
could hit the ball, I hit fastballs. That's the life

(28:59):
that you think of. So you know, get at it.
Holy cow. Now they got like, you know, the Dodgers
are paying seven hundred million dollars to their players. Holy cow.
But he did crack one out of the park yesterday,
But geez, where's that.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Money's making about one hundred thousand dollars a year, which
was outrageous, outrageable back then.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yes, so much money for a ball player to make,
and you know, like that's big money.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Yeah. Well, I mean, you know what the the worst
part is. I mean, it all gets passed down to
the fans who have it now buy seventeen dollars beers
and yeah, one hundred and eight dollars tickets and sixty
five dollars for parking. It's it's it's all, it's all
kind of out of whack.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
How does the kid from Sandlot try to get in
to watch his favorite player, you know, like peek through
the fence, to try to see the Cubs play or something,
you know, or someone at the green wall has a
hole he can look through in Boston. You know, I
love baseball. When and when you were coming on and
when you're introduced, it's like it's baseball season. Rad we
should have Adam on. I was like, boom, let's go, dude.

(29:59):
I love it. So as a sports writer, are you
writing about baseball?

Speaker 3 (30:05):
My next book is not about baseball, though, I'm going
to keep that under wraps what the next book's about
because it hasn't quite gotten off the ground yet to
use a military aviation front. But you know what, I
do foresee another baseball book down the road. Nice it's
or another definitely another sports book, but another baseball book.
It is certainly possibility, especially since you know, even with

(30:29):
this book, you know, baseball is kind of romanticized more
than I think any other American sport. And that's one
of the reasons why I feel like I'll come back
to it. Even in this book, there's like, there's really
only like fifteen pages of baseball in it, but I
loved writing those pages covering the history what Ted Williams did,

(30:49):
particularly one year where he was thirty nine years old
and he led the league in batting. It's I foresee
eventually coming back to baseball.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, he had like a four hundred batting average. I
think he had like a a three something.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
He's the last man to hit four hundred. He hit
four oh six and nineteen forty one, and then sixteen
years later, at the age of thirty nine he almost
hit four hundred again. He hit three eighty eight. So
that's one of the reasons why people.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
What do you think the average fastball speed was then?
I'm just curious what you think.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Oh, you know, I don't. I don't think it was
one hundred. I think it was probably mid nineties. I
think someone said, I'm a big fan of the Ken
Burns Baseball series that was on PBS in the nineties.
I think someone said back then that it's not how
fast the pitchers are relative from one era to the next,

(31:39):
it's more who is the fastest of each era. And
I think if you put Ted Williams in today's playing
not if you transported him using a time machine, but
if Ted Williams grew up in this age, I think
he would still be the best hitter in baseball. If
he had worked, you know, he had trained three hundred
and sixty five days a year instead of four months
fishing in Florida and in the offseat. If he was

(32:01):
had access to you know, the kind of weight training
programs they have today, if he had access to ban
engages and all those things, I think Ted Williams would
still be the best hit in.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Baseball, right exactly. If Randy Johnson was who he had
a face off, he'd be trained to probably face off
against Randy Johnson, right. You know, as simple as that
that you know, you're you're surrounded by what you got
to train against. I get that one hundred percent, right,
And then it just evolves, you know, we just get
more and more sports doctors that say, hey, work your
tendon this way, you know, and just more science involved

(32:31):
in you know. Then there's Moneyball. It's like, hey we
just trade your penya wait what Yeah, just get on
base Love that movie, bro. I just have to say,
I know, has it's just baseball. It's just a different take.
It's a different angle, and I love that. I look
forward to anything you write. And I'm going to tell you,
are you looking at like transitioning this into some type

(32:52):
of like movie or TV show.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Well if that, if I had the power or authority
to do that, sure, I have not heard anything on
that front yet. It is I mean, I do think
it's kind of a story that lends itself to a
Hollywood screenplay. Hollywood, you know, I think adaptation. Yes, yeah,
I mean, well, you know I've said this before because

(33:15):
they're from Boston. Ted Williams was the Boston baseball history example,
I feel like Ted Williams and John Glenn should be
played by Matt Damon and Ben Affleck. But so maybe
one day, maybe they'll come across this and option it.
I do think it's the kind of story that you know,
friendship and politics and war and space. I think it

(33:37):
lends itself to that.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
I do know that.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
I feel like if it became a movie, I would
watch it with grit, my teeth, grit the entire time
because they Hollywood it. You know, it changed this fact,
changed this neck. But I guess if I saw my
name on the big screen and as as adapted from
Adam Lazaru's books, I'd be okay with that.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yeah, I think so too. It'd be cool if it
was a series too, because check it can follow along
different episodes, and then it could keep going along and
then they you know, today's day and age, everybody can
just binge the eight or ten twelve episodes in one night.
But still, I think that would be kind of cool
because then you see, you know, like you said, you
see the characters doing other things continually. Yeah, that'd be cool.

(34:18):
I think anything that you write, you seem like you
have just a really cool demeanor and just you respond
really well. And I think that you probably write just
as well. So it'd be cool to watch any of
your movies, bro, or read any of your books.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
I agree with you. Let's get Peacock and Paramount Plus
and Netflix all on board with that.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Agreed. Yes, And so to my favorite executives at those
places that watch this, you know what to do now, Okay,
just give them a call or just hit me up,
text to me. It's cool, no problem, Yeah, I'll be
I'll be in mission controlled. Don't worry about the braids
in my beard. It's totally period.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Yeah, you know what. I have been asked by people
if you know if it should be a move or
have you heard anything about it being a movie? And
I always tell him when I told you but then
I add, but like, if it is a movie, I
want to be the like Pilot number seven in the
background of some like meeting, you know, some officers mess

(35:16):
or officer club like scene where they're partying. I just
want to be in the background as an officer, like
drinking a beer or something. That's all I want.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
You would see the movie Top Gun, Yeah, you know
the part where he goes to meet Charlie in the
bar and like, she's like, I'm waiting for a friend.
So I interviewed a guy who was at Top Gun,
who was a part of the movie of Top Gun,
and he told me, in that scene, the guy that
she's waiting for is actually the Top Gun instructor of
Top Gun. Oh really yes, and so which is like

(35:45):
I'm waiting for my friends over here, and she goes
and sits down with the guy and he's like, oh man,
I'm getting dissed.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
You know you got to you got to reward someone
with something like that.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
That's the cameo, dude, that's the cameo of it.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
I want, or I could be in I got I
guess I could like someone in the background of a
scene where John Glenn's funeral was going on.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Look at Tarantinos at all his flicks, you know, in
some way or somehow, whether you know he knows how
to make a couple of coffee. Yeah, exactly, you know
I cannot.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
That's my one bargaining point. I'm I'll take one dollar
for the right now. It's just kidding. No, I love it.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
I love it, and you should. You should have that
in your write up. It's like, look, I'm in it
as pilot number seven, and pilot number seven lives by.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
The way, Yeah, or I could land to be heroic ending.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Oh man. I went off for this movie and it
was John the Baptist was the character, and I said,
I'm cool with getting my head cut off and served
on a platter. Do you know many people would realize
that that was me? There you go, it's like, all right,
all right, all right, no, that's great. Well, so you
got a book coming out, there's something else, and you're
not going to drop that right now on the show.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
I don't get that, No, No, I'm just I'm in
the very very early stages of thinking about another book.
It's uh, part two prestition, part embarrassment that I don't
really like to talk about it until it's a little
further down the road. But again, like I mean, without
going into details, I think I've started to realize that
I think people like characters more than plot. And then

(37:16):
I'm getting kind of you know whatever they call it
inside baseball in this but I think, and I think,
I really think that's true. It's like, why do they
make fifteen Marvel movies because people want to see Captain
America again?

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Or that? Why did they Rea? Why did they bring
back Top Gun? People wanted to see Goosen Maverick.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Again, you know, and so I think back to the
future in another one, you know, it's like everybody wants
to see Marty mckea. I keep going.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Seriously, That's why I made it into a Broadway show.
I think people want you know, we don't people don't
necessarily want to hear about new people. They want to
hear about people that they're familiar with and Ted Williams
or Arnold Palmer or whoever whatever person in history. If
I was to do a book on Elvis, Like again,
I'm not doing a book on Elvis, But if I
was doing a book on Elvis, and you know, maybe

(38:01):
the whole story behind his famous Hawaii Comeback Show in
nineteen sixty eight, Like that could be a book because people, oh,
it's Elvis, you know, I don't know this chapter Elvis's story.
That's very interesting to me. Everybody knows some of the
background and you know, the movies he made and things
like that, and him dying and all those things.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Because I think just seeing this last movie that was
about Elvis, I didn't know that he was under the
thumb of the kernel.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
That's kind of was part of the original take on it.
I think I think people want to sort of latch
onto history they know, but learn things they don't know,
which is a weird like kind of a paradox, but
it's true because nobody knows, Like you could name the
most famous person in American history, George Washington, like Hamilton.
Just think about the play Hamilton exactly way show Hamplton,

(38:50):
Like people knew he was a dollar on a ten
dollar bill and one of the founding fathers, all these things,
but nobody knew all these things that were prominent in
the biography and then the movie Hamilton, the play Hamilton.
I think people want to hear about characters that are
familiar with but learn new things and I think the
Wingman is an example of that.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
And what's funny about that mentioned about Hamilton real quick,
just to piggyback, is my fifteen sixteen year old daughter
at the time was just obsessed with all of the
soundtrack and so here she is. She could tell me
all about Hamilton. She's like, oh, no, let me tell
you all about Hamilton. I was like, oh, just put
it in a song and you'll know your math.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
I mean, it's funny because yeah, my kids, my wife
got big into Hamilton, and I hope she's not going
to watch this because she is like she has like
the lowest threshold for history, Like she could listen to
like thirty seconds of all my book ideas before she's like,
that's too much history. I'm not interested. But she loves Hamilton.

(39:47):
And he's for for months was asking me all these
questions about the Revolutionary War and Washington and who's James
Madison like, And now my kids are the same way,
and like one son is really into Hamilton, and he
became really interested in the American history American presidents after that,
and he's fascinated, which strange enough, he's more fascinated by

(40:07):
the ones who are assassinated. But that's just how it is.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
And I think why, yeah, you know, why, what was it?
He's maybe a detective in the making.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
I don't know, bro Ma, well, I think it was
because Hamilton was kind of assassinating.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah, but Lincoln and Kennedy, so uh, it's it's.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Uh, there's people. We need to learn history. Obviously, it's important.
There's that whole If you don't learn your history, you're
doing to repeat it. But you don't have to get
it by picking up a ninth grade textbook.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Either, right, right, No, I get that, yeah, because sometimes
that's hard to read.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
We're just we're just born.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
I'm just no, I'm playing a playing No. I loved
history in school. I just I went to the school
where there was no emails, man, and there was no
one tracking me like that Today. Now we got it
all on our phones. It's like you didn't turn you
assignment in back then. I was like, oh I turned
everything in for the day. Man, oh man, So what
year did you come to this Earth? Eighty two? All right, yeah, see,

(41:08):
I'm just five years older than you, So listen to
the future. Let me tell you what's up. Grow your
braids out, You'll bet five years you learned a lot
more than I did. Oh those five years, I just
learned that it's always front foot forward. Just keep going,
just keep hacking, and when you get like writer's block,
go outside and get some fresh air and go for
a walk and enjoy some nature and just come down

(41:28):
from whatever you know has just blocked you. And it
might just come to you just when you don't expect it.
Like I get hit up by people like, hey, rad
I have a book. You'd be surprised how many times
I get that. How do I get it published right?
How do I get the next How do I get
in the space I have ideas? It's like, well, it's
not so easy. Publishers already have writers that do certain space,

(41:49):
and so they rely on writers to write that space.
So if you can come in like what you're suggesting
and take a different spin on it, or you know,
what would you give somebody out there right now, like
maybe two pieces of advice that are that have ideas
that would like to see it happen? What steps should
they take? I have?

Speaker 3 (42:09):
I get asked a lot of that questions like that.
And I will preface this by saying, like this is
what works for me, and obviously what I say or
pick whatever famous writer their advice may not work for everybody.
But my first piece of advice is always, if you
want to be a writer, then you need to write.
And by that I mean, like, I have a lot

(42:30):
of people who tell me they're sort of overwhelmed by
like the blank page, or they don't know where to begin,
or you know, I'm worried. I'm sure there's some people
who are just worried about like embarrassing themselves or the
fear of rejection. The only way to get better at
writing is by writing, Like whatever you're thinking about writing
your life story, you're a poem, your favorite recipe for

(42:52):
banana pudding, Like write it down, get it down on paper,
and then you spend the next week rewriting it and
start over, or scratch out half of it and rearrange
it and cut it up with the you know, the
red pen like we used to use in grade school.
The only way you're going to get better at that
is to do it, like even if it sucks, like

(43:13):
that's your one point zero start over, Like you're not
going to write by thinking about it and you know,
worrying about it. You have to actually do it. And
even if it's just like your brain pouring out onto
paper or onto the computer screen, that's the only way
to get started. And then you just you just keep polishing.
The word I use a lot is like polishing and

(43:34):
polishing and polishing. So that's probably the first advice. And
I do think what I said earlier is also a
really good start for people who whether they're like four
years old, or whether they're a high school senior, or
whether they're like my grandfather who had retired the late
night he'd retired in the early eighties and then decided
in the mid nineties he wanted to write a novel.

(43:55):
Write what you know, so you don't You don't have
to Your whole career doesn't have to be, you know,
if you were an accountant, your whole career doesn't have
to be writing about the history of accountants or a
murder mystery is starting an accountant. But it's a good
place to start, Like write what you know. If you're
a baseball fan, write a baseball book. If you love poetry,
you know, nature poetry, go out and write poems about

(44:17):
a beautiful park or something like that. I mean poetry
is not my thing for the record, but I guess
what I'm saying is like, whatever you're passionate about. I've
always been passionate about sports. It's how I sort of
got to the point I am. Your passion will come
through when you start writing. So that's why the whole
write what you know, like you're usually passionate about things,
you know. That's the other piece of advice I would
give is like you're just starting, write what you know.

(44:40):
Like my I'm thinking about my grandfather who wrote a
novel at age eighty one. I think was very interested
in like finance and stuff like that. His novel was
a lot about I think it was like about the
stock market and things like that. So he wrote what
he knew. And that's always a good place to start and.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
At least kind of like a little bit of a
legacy for you, you know that they can say, hey,
this is what grandpa wrote. You know, this is what
we have this book. It's been passed down through thirteen generations,
and you know, keep it safe. You know, Grandpa's writings,
you know, or your writings or your kids writings or heaven,
you know, like you know, who I think is our

(45:17):
Shakespeare of the day, and it's no offense all the authors.
It's Taylor Swift. So I think that she is our Shakespeare.
Where she's written all of her stuff. She writes it
out there, she puts it out there. She's willing to
take the rejections. She's really willing to take the ridicules.
She's willing to take the success. But at the end
of the day, like you said, write about something you're

(45:37):
passionate about. And if you listen to a lot of
what she writes about, it's a lot of songs that
are all about relationships in life. And so she seems
to be passionate about it and she's very successful. You're
passionate about sports yourself. Yes, I just put you in
the same realms as Taylor Swift, Okay, And so you
are successful because you believe in it, you're putting it

(45:57):
out there, You're following through with what you've been taught
and also what you've had to learn on your own.
You may have gone to school, and there are people
who are book smart, but can you put your book
smart from saying, say, becoming an entrepreneur actually doing it?
And so here you're taking, Hey, this is how you
like indent the first paragraph, bro in dent, Okay, capitalize

(46:20):
the first lady.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
There are some things you only learn by It's kind
of what I was saying, is that you only learn
by doing. Like it's great to have education, like traditional
educational background, but it's it's gonna you have to apply
it in the real world. I was watching a big
Law and Order fan and there was one Law and
Order where they were talking about something and one of

(46:41):
the attorneys was saying how they didn't learn this kind
of this kind of stuff wasn't taught in law school.
And professor said something like that's because it's a law school,
not a lawyer. So it's like you learn the law,
but you don't learn how to be a lawyer. Like
that's becoming a lawyer. You learn on the job and
going through experience and practicing maybe like I don't know,
mock ales or whatever, but like and you really only

(47:02):
learn by being in the courtroom in a real world situation.
Same thing with really most anything, And it's the same
thing with writing is no one's going to teach you
how to write. They may give you tools for you know,
storytelling and the basics of like grammar, and spelling and
all those things that they may give you tools for
character development and plot twists or whatever. But the only
way you're going to ever get to where you want

(47:23):
to be in that kind of field is by doing
it and you being your best.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Teacher, pursuing it until you die. Just keep going, just
keep at it, don't stop. Like you said, your father
or your grandfather was eighty one. Today we have presidents
that are running at eighty years old. Okay, so if
you're sixty, you said about twenty years of job left
in you, sir. Yeah, okay, I don't know who that
is I'm talking to, but get it done already, all right,
it's not going to clean itself, Okay, all right now,

(47:49):
I think.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
We could use it. I think we could just for
the record, not democratic or Republican. Probably could use like
a forty seven year.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Old and one that spoke about language fluently or something like,
you know, even Spanish, like just ola, like how you
guys doing? Like I agree with you one hundred percent,
And I know I've had you for almost an hour
of time, and I feel like I could keep talking
to you for a long time. And I know you're
very busy and there's a lot of people that want
your time, So thank you for giving that to us today.

(48:16):
Thank you to your wife, thank you to your kids
for supporting you and being there for you and always
listening to you whether you know it or not. And
you know and your Wingman, The Wingman, the book The Wingman.
When does that come out? Has that already launched? Or
am I just getting it came out and came a fall.
I would just say, anybody who wants to buy it

(48:39):
or read more about it, or see some of the
reviews or some other interviews I've done along the way,
some other podcasts and newspaper write ups, just go to
my website just just Adam Lazarus books dot com, la
zaar U s Adam Lazarus books dot com. There's a
lot there about this book and all my other books.
And there's even, I believe even a couple like audiobook

(49:03):
chapter samples so you can before you can shop before
you buy it. Do you do your audioble? Do you
do your voiceover?

Speaker 3 (49:10):
No? I haven't, which a part of me wants to
be like the next book I do, like, yeah, I
probably do want to read it, except I a feel
like I would be so self conscious the entire nine
hours of it. But be I also think somewhere online
someone's going to be like, you're a bad book reader.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
You shouldn't be doing this.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
And hopefully it would be like someone in the production team,
like before the book comes out and not after it
comes out. But yeah, I think while that would be fun,
I don't think that's my I don't think that's in
my future.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Usually the people that say that about someone who reads
a book for you is because they didn't get to
do it. They usually had maybe I think, you know
the ones that are like, oh this guy, this day's
dude's too fast, or this dude's.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
Maybe a whole nother problem.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Also, like I'm gonna watch when you post this. Whenever
you post this, I'll watch it and I'll just cringe
every time I'm talking.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
No, don't craze. Stop stop no, look, we're together. It's okay.
You're great. I just told you you're awesome. I just
put you in Taylor Swift's category.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
That's true, that's true. You are the second person to
mention Taylor Swift to me in a podcast like this.
You know the books about John Glenn and Ted Williams. Yes,
and someone said something to me, like, tell us about
this John Glenn Ted Williams friendship connection. Is it like
Taylor Swift and Travis Kelcey. Yeah, I know, but I

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guess they were sort of just saying it was more
like two massive celebrities from two different worlds.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Uh huh. And I guess that's why it's apped.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
You know, it is kind of app but it's just
it was just funny to me, and it was I
was like, Oh, I should have piggybacked on that. I'm
sure someone's writing a Taylor Swift Travis Kelcey split bio
right now, So good luck to them.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Well, she is the man, so she gets to get
talked about in everybody's podcast. All right, so including ours
major quota today. But yes, okay, t I'm gonna go
take a break. Now.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
You're going to get that. You'll get the extra check
mark on your social media profile.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
In heaven, Bro, I'm looking for heaven here. I need
the check market Heaven when I get there with I'm
not sure tellers just that kind of power. Maybe maybe
in a couple of years. Oh you're great, bro, you're great.
Look I hope we can get your book into our
book club, our software book club. You heard me drop
that in the beginning of the show, and we do
have a book club. And the guy's Brandon Webb. He's

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the author of Steel Fear and Cult Fear, and he
also runs the website softwap dot com. He's a former
Navy Seal sniper instructor and so he transitioned into an
author and writing and he kind of had the same thing.
He's like, you just got to do it, just got to,
you know, put it on paper.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Yeah, And anybody gets the book for your book club
or anyone listening now, and you want me to sign
it or dedicate it. My email address is on the website.
Just go there and and I'm happy.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
And that's Adam Lazarus dot com, right.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Books, Adam Lazarus Books dot com.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Adam Lazarus books dot com. And what we'll do is
my producer Anton, he'll listen, and the guys Mark and them,
they'll dissertate everything down below on the website and they'll
be hyperlinks. So I trust in them to just link
to your website. And then if my listener or viewer
wants to know more, go check out soft rep dot
com or wherever you're watching it, leave a comment down below.

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I've had Adam's time for almost a solid hour. We've
really enjoyed you being here. You're welcome back with any
endeavor that you want to bring to us and to
our community. Welcome to the soft rep community, and congratulations
on your transition. And I just want to say on
behalf of everybody here at soft rep. On behalf of
Adam Lazarus and myself. This is rad saying thank you

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and peace.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
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