September 10, 2025 • 53 mins
Claude and Ryan Crysler explore surprising ways you can sharpen your golf game just by paying closer attention to the pros.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. I'm your host,
Claude Harmitt. Ryan Krysler is the guest this week, another
of our summer series. Ryan works with me here at
the Floridian and I think he's one of the best
instructors in the game and some pretty cool stuff we're
going to talk about today before we get to it.
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Platform Golf is on a mission to transfer golf by
(00:23):
closing the experience gap between off course and on course play,
allowing players to make real putts on a tilted green
and hit approach shots from uneven lies. As a coach,
one of the biggest challenges has always been the disconnect
between practice and on course performance. Teaching on a flat
surface limits the ability to simulate real world conditions. Platform
(00:44):
golfs moving platform bridges the gap in both putting and
full swing training, giving players the opportunity to train the
way they play, enabling me to coach with greater precision
in a truly realistic environment. Learn more at Platform Golf.
I think uneven liize is one of the most difficult
things for a lot of players to deal with, and
(01:06):
Platform Golf has a solution, so our see. I think
we're always trying to figure out with players how they
can get better. And there are so many ways from
practice to all of the knowledge you have. But one
of the ways I think you can get better if
if you do it right, is by watching professional golf,
watching what tour players do. And I think a lot
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of people watch professional golf and they don't really kind
of pick up on the things they should be focusing on.
They focus on, Oh, yeah, how far everybody hits the golf? Well,
how far the driver goes? You know, you watch Roy
McRoy hit a driver. They've got the launch monitor data,
they've got how far it goes.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I mean, I think everybody marvels when he hits one
three forty, when he hits a nine iron from one
seventy five, but or almost everybody listening to this podcast,
those are not realistic numbers. And I do think I've
said it before Ryan, I think golfers are very much
influenced by television from a distant standpoint in that they
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watch so much golf on TV, they hear constantly what
the best players in the world on all the tours
have hitting an eight iron and then that's in your
head when you go play golf, don't you think.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah, like an eight iron from one seventy five is
a crazy, crazy dage for most.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah, I would say for the majority of people listening
to this podcast, they're eight iron probably goes one forty five,
pushing one fifty if you can get your ador and
up to one sixty. So don't focus on how four
the guys are hitting it, right, I think that's that's
a big trap. And if you're watching the LPGA as well,
again look at the numbers that they're hitting it and
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and be honest with yourself. My dad always says one
of the things you have to do to get better
at golf, so you have to check your ego at
the door, right, And I think we all think and
want to hit the golf ball further.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yeah, exactly, And you don't necessarily need to hit it
as far as a dj a cheffer to score well,
especially if you're playing from the red tees.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
That is the one thing.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
And then also remember when you're watching professional golf on television,
they've got these they've got.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
The golf course stretched as far.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I mean, if you're watching the guys, if you're watching
the men's you know, the PGA Tour Live DP Asia
International Series. They've got these golf courses stretched as far
back as we can. We were at a tournament last week,
a live event, and there were two It was a
par seventy. They took out two par fives and made
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them into long par fours, so they were always look at.
When you're looking at distances on TV, try and work
that back to where you're going to play your holes
from at your home course.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Right, I think your home course is your us O course.
We talked about that in a previous podcast. And the
chaos that you may see on TV is similar to
the chaos, especially like at the British Open. Chipping this
week in Georgia was you know, a lot of Zoisia,
a lot of chip ups.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
And East Lake for the Tour Championship Atlanta. It's hot,
the ball's going a long way yep. So one of
the things that I like to do, and I always
do this after someone wins a golf tournament, specifically on
the PGA Tour, because the shot linked data is so good,
I always go back in and look at the rounds
of what the players do and what shots they hit.
So just as an example one of the things that
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you can do, I think if you're really focused on
trying to get better, if you're trying to improve your scores,
look at what the best players in the world do.
But this is a really eye opener. I think if
you do this and just see what kind of shots
and what clubs and what the players say. So let's
go to Tommy Fleetwood who won the FedEx Cup last week,
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sixty four in the first round, right, so seven birdie's
one bogie, so sixty four, but eleven fairways, fourteen greens,
so obviously hitting it really really well. But what I
did was I just went through and I looked at
the distance he had on every hole that he hit
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the green on. So if we go to the first hole,
where so he starts off by making three birdies in
a row birdies one, two, and three. First fall hits
it to twenty one feet, second hole hits to twenty
two feet, third hole hits it to fourteen feet.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Okay, he's got a hot buttter, really hot potter.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Okay, fourth hole fifty eight feet, mix par.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Next hole, the fifth hits it to fourteen feet, misses
makes par. Sixth hole, par five, up the hill, gets
it on the green sixty eight feet, two putts for
a birdie. Seventh hole forty four feet, eighth hole twenty
two feet all pars here misses the on nine, ten
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and eleven. Let's see then, and he makes bogie by
missing the green on ten. And then we go to
the twelfth the par three, great shot, hits to four
feet right twelve part four yes, yeaheah, the par three
or the par four, yeah, up the hill, and then
we go to thirteen. He makes par fourteen thirteen twenty
two feet fourteen forty feet, fifteen the par three kind
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of the island ging hits great shot six feet, and
then pars sixteen and seventeen thirty three feet on sixteen
twenty five feet. On seventeen eighteen's to par five, he
misses the green, gets it up and down, makes berdie.
So how does he shoot sixty four? Yeah, he hit.
So he's got fourteen feet, fourteen feet and four feet
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six So he hits four shots inside of fifteen feet,
and he hits two shots inside.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Of ten feet and has a bogie.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
All right, But if you look at that twenty one
feet twenty two feet forty fifty eight feet, sixty eight
feet forty four feet, twenty two feet, twenty three feet. Like,
one of the ways you can shoot sixty four is
to hit the golf ball.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
To twenty feet a lot, a lot.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Now that sounds crazy, because go to your home course,
wherever the flag is, Go to home depot, get a
measuring wheel, and measure out twenty feet thirty feet. Look
at where that is. That's not as close as people think.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
You were talking seven to ten paces away from the hole.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
So one of the ways you shoot sixty four is
to hit the majority of your shots seven to ten
paces away from the hole, because if you pot halfway decent,
that's where you give yourself a lot of really really
good looks. My point behind all of those numbers is, yeah,
he hit one to four feet on a par three,
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but he also birdied two of the four par threes
and took care of both of the par five, So
he picked up shots on the par five.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Things we you know, practice and preach about taking care
of the par threes, limiting damage there, taking care of
the par fives, making sure you have at least a
birdy chance there.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, so birding two of the four par threes. We
talk about this. I've talked about this. It's something I
know that we talked to our junior golfers a lot
about that. Just try and play the par threes, even
to one over for the day, right, don't blow up
on the par three.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
So that's another thing.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
When you go back in and you're watching golf on TV,
or you're looking at the score cards that they're showing
up and they show at the end of the round,
they show the score card, do a quick glance and
look at how they did on the par fives, and
look at how they did on the par threes.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
You can't shoot sixty four if you don't.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Take care of the par fives and you're over par
on the par threes.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
It just doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Just doesn't happen. And you don't have to perhaps seven birdies.
We're not your home course, right, you might be able
to translate out into two or three birdies, and for
like a ten handicapper that's potentially swinging from bogie, that's
potentially three, four or five shots you can save because
you're not trying to play a strip show every shot,
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which is definitely not what this first round is showing
us it was not a Tommy Fleetwood stripe show.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, he had a lot of quality golf. Liss.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
The other thing is when you go back and you
look at your home course, right, instead of thinking about
it's maybe a little mind shift in on the PGA
Tour and when you're watching professional golf, you're looking at
how these guys do on the par fix, right. So
if they make a par on a par five, the
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attitude and the body language is going to be great.
The commentators are going to be saying, okay, you know,
didn't take advantage of the par fives. Or if a
player is playing really good and they're into the back nine,
if they're three four they make the tw earn five under,
what are they gonna say on TV? And he's got
two par fives to come where he's definitely going to
try and pick up shots.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
So rather than do what the tour.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Players do and think of, Okay, I've got to take
advantage of all the par fives today, flip it and say, okay,
I'm not going to lose strokes on any of the
par five today. I'm not going to give away chances.
So PGA Tour players professional golfers, they're all trying to
birdie every par five they play. Flip it, your birdie
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is a par. Your birdie on the par five is
park And.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
You're probably gonna have four at your course, not gonna
have two at your home course. And that's gonna be
four auto pars basically because you have a chance to
get in the ferry, you have a chance to get
back in the ferry on the layup, and then hopefully
you have a short iron end and mathematically that should
be four relatively easy holes for you that you can
auto par and move on. Right, So that's you know,
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four holes in the course. We got three or four
part threes, and now we're talking half the course is
done and you get the long par fourst to figure out.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, And I think when you look at the course
that you're playing, if it's your home course, try and
turn the par fives from a strategy standpoint into an
auto par to where you're just like, listen, I am
going to make pars on all the par fives today, right,
Because on tour we are looking at the par fives
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and in our practice sessions we're like, okay, where is
the best place strategy wise for the player to make birdies.
What is the best strategy you can come up with
to make birdies on all of the par fives. So
at your home course, what is the best strategy that
you can have to make pars on all the par fives?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yes, not be in trouble off the tee, get out
of trouble on the layup shot, or advance it to
where you have, you know, a wedge, short iron nd
and those become the auto park. And I'm looking at
I'm looking at Fleetwood's data here for the entire tournament.
And you know, he lost a shot off the tee.
They didn't drive a great right. He gained a couple
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of shots, uh seventh on the and there's only thirty players,
but a couple of shots into the green right, he
gained eight shots. Putting best putter of the week. He
hit seventy five percent of his fairy ways. He hit
seventy percent of his greens. So that's twenty one twenty
one pitches and chips he had to come up with.
He was two out of five sanss and he was
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thirteen out of twenty one on those chips.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
So the takeaways when you're watching it on TV is
birdie Fest, Birdie Fest, Birdie Fest, birdie Fest. But yeah,
sixteen under, but he's still missing some greens. He still
isn't knocking it to two feet every single time. He's
just hitting a lot of really good shots. The interaction
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on the golf course between the player and the caddy,
what do you feel like when you're watching TV and
you're listening to those interactions, what should the average golfer
be taking from that kind of player caddy interaction.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, I think that's what's really valuable on TV is
that the commentary and that caddy player interaction, and when
they get the mics up real close, you can really
hear how the player goes through the process. And the
process is the most important part. So you know, Jordan
Speith comes to mind, him and his caddy, Michael Greller,
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long conversations, probably leading it up to the chat. Nicolson's
another good one on LIV where you just hear the process,
you hear the numbers. And one thing one of the
things we always talk about juniors versus pros, right, is
that the pros are talking about numbers and where to go,
and the juniors are talking about what to avoid, how
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much yarded it is, is it to the water? Things
like that, and the the whole dynamic is different. The
whole dynamic is totally different. When that bro and Cattie
speak about what they're going to do on this shot.
You know, nine times out of ten they get close
to pulling it off and that one time, you know,
they hit it to two feet right, and it's an
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expected outcome when you hear that interaction and how they
do with the shot.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
And I also think it's really important to kind of
get the interaction of what they're saying when they get
in trouble. You know, what are they talking about when
they hit the ball into the trees because the caddy's
going to be going up and trying to get you know,
some form of yardage.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
What British Open was that Jordan Spieth won. He was
hitting it all over the place and the mics were
great that week, right, we could hear him talking about
how to get out of the trouble he was in.
I think it was like sixteen or seventeen par five
of the US the British Open that he won, he
hit it like across one of the other hole. The
hit it on the range yeah, and then he took
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that hybrid I think maybe and hit it over like
a and grandstands and it's like the conversation there was.
That's when one of the ones I remember the most
about Jordan.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, and I think Phil Mickelson's always been I mean
the Phil show right when he gets into the trees.
I mean there have been times to where, back when
Bones was cattying for him, there was one I think
it was at the players and he hit a shot
through the trees and he said, you know, the MIC's
picked up. I didn't want to tell you what I
was doing because you would have tried to talk me
out of it. Where the player has a really, really,
really good vision of what they're going to do, I've
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talked about on the pod before. The only thing I
think is really important to look at is where these
players are hitting their wedges. It's a myth that inside
of ten feet is everybody's hitting a web shot from
inside one hundred and fifty yards In professional golf, in
the men's game, the data will basically tell you that
it's what twenty feet, it's twenty feet away from the
flag on average, from kind of that one twenty to
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one thirty range, because I think the numbers it really
really skewed because we're so used to everyone saying to us,
you know, broadcast wise, Okay, he's not gonna be happy
with that because it's outside of ten feet, but tour
players with their wedges aren't hitting it inside of ten
feet all the time.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Got a lot of tools that we use as coaches
and players can use them. Two and one of the
best tools I have, Data Golf, Data Golf, I believed.
Shout out to the data Golf. But Scheffler's been the
best wedge player in the last couple of years, and
that's why he's number one. He literally hits it about
one to two paces closer than anybody else, from fifty
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to one fifty, which is that's crazy. Over how many
tournament rounds you've played this year, one.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Hundred, Yeah, because just next time you whatever iron shot
you hit right, whatever iron shot that you hit on
a green walk one to two paces closer to the hole.
I mean, the fact that he's that much better than
everybody else on too right, he's hitting it his iron
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game is unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Yeah, it's basically four feet closer, fifty to one hundred
yards and about three feet closer, almost four feet closer
fifty and it's just it's just not even close. Right.
He is spectacular at those numbers. And you had definitely
a couple of chances to watch him practice and play
at the Majors this year and how fundamental it is.
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It's not anything like earth shattering and rocket science. He's
just grinding on his grip and grinding on his practice, right.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I think that's another really important thing when you're watching
golf on TV, preshot routines and watching what a player
does before they hit a shot, and if you're watching
last week at the Tour Championship, if you're looking to
emulate a pre shot routine, please don't emulate the human
reiin delay that is Patker can't like because that's a joke,
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how slow that guy is.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
But you will see Patrick.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
I mean, the problem with Patrick Cantley and what he
does before every shot is he does the same damn thing.
He takes an hour to hit every shot. You know,
the footwork, the looks, I mean what he had seven looks.
I watched him at a shot in the eighth hole
the other day on Sunday, it's seven looks the whole.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Right, seven? What the hell you what do you need?
Seven looks at the whole?
Speaker 1 (18:20):
So that would be a pre shot routine not to follow,
and then a great pre shot routine specifically with Zions
because he's a little bit slower on the on the
putting green, DJ and Brooks, I mean, they're they're already
point aim, shoot.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
They don't take a lot of time.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
My point around watching pre shot routines is most players
are going to pretty much do the same thing all
the time, and we see that, and I think putting
routines are really really good learning opportunities for people watching
how the best players in the world work on the green.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Right. You know, Jordan and Phil are great examples on
the putting greens because they're Jordan's probably more of a talker.
I think Phil does his own putting, I think most
of the time. But they are really approaching it from
the three to six of you. They're speaking out loud.
They're talking about where they're going to put it and
how it's going to enter the hole. And a lot
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of the golfers we see basically have one look don't
get a real good judgment of the slope the grain,
et cetera, and almost go too fast on the putting green.
The one thing for sure we've definitely preached is we
always want to pace off your putts, and that kind
of breaks the process up a little bit.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
You can and you can do that while you're other
players already, the other players are gathering their data. If
you're the last, if you've hit it in they're really
good on a part three, you know you're going to
be last to hit. That means you've got let's say
you're playing with, you know, a foursome. However, many players
are in the group. You have the opportunity while they're
putting right.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Your appreciatory team doesn't start when it's your returnity.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
No, it's not your skater and all of a sudden,
I mean, that's the thing I see the most, right,
I see so many players it's like their figure skaters.
They wait until it's their turn to play and then
they kind of come on to the ice rink and
they skate out and they go through all their stuff.
You should be ready to go and correct. I mean,
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I think that's that's a huge part of data gathering
and information. Get your information again using Brooks and DJ
as an example, those guys are last to hit in
the groups a lot because they're hitting the golf ball
a long way. So if their last to hit, I mean,
the TV guys always say if DJ's last to hit,
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they're struggling to get a camera behind him before he
pulls the trigger, because he's already got the number, he
already knows the shot he's going to hit, he's already
got the club, he's already gone kind of through some
of his practice swings, so he's getting in there and.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Getting ready to go.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
The other player balls in the air. Yeah, So you know,
I saw every shot DJ hit this year and live,
and there's definitely a few times where I'm waiting for
the camera to pop up and he's already hit the
ball and it's already landing, and luckily we can still
track the proximity stuff like that. But it's definitely nice
to see that he is always moving while the other
players are hitting their shots.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
When you're watching golf on TV, what are you looking?
Speaker 1 (21:24):
What do you think you can look for from a
short game standpoint, Because obviously one of the easiest ways,
one of the lowest hanging fruit for your scores to
improve is for the short game to improve. But when
you're watching it on TV, what are some things you
think that the people watching can take and apply to
their own game.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I do have a good point about this. It's very
difficult to really understand, to really understand how difficult the
short game shots can be on TV or how easy
they can be. Right. For example, Fleetwood shot on eighteen
the last round. He probably had like a forty yard
pitch shot. If he was on the wrong side of
that hole, back right instead of front left, that would
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have been something you can see on TV. But you
can't see the grain, you can't see the side slopes,
you can't see the distance he's got to carry it.
That's the hard part. So one thing you should always
assume is that those chips and pitches that you see
on TV look most likely more difficult than they appear.
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And having a forty yard shot to win a tournament,
I'm telling you that was not an easy shot. That's
note hit it to ten feet and didn't get it
up and down. But he still had room to play
with on that last hole to win by a couple
of shots. I think the one thing I would I
would assume is that the shot is way more difficult
than it appears on TV because you just can't see
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the grain, the slope, the perception, and you can't really
value the circumstance. The other thing is that those guys
are so good basically one fifteen n You can't believe
how good they are. But good is meaning that they
don't miss the green.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I mean, if you're looking to improve your wedge game, right,
I think what you're saying there is hugely important. So wedges,
for if you look at the men's game, you know,
pretty much across the board, the majority of professional golfers
that play golf on the PGA Live DP Asia and wherever,
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their wedges are from inside one hundred and fifty yards right.
For the rest of us, our wedge game is inside.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Of one hundred probably one hundred, maybe one.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
One twenty max. If you can really push it. So
if you just think in terms of and this is
going to encumbass par threes as well, if the goal
every time you have one hundred and twenty yards and
in the goal should be if there was shot linked data, right,
if there was shot link data and there was strokes
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gain data for the average golfer, and you can do
this on apps like clip I mean, that's one of
the ones that we use a lot. You can put
in your data and stuff. But from one hundred and
twenty and in for average golfers, strokes gained. If you
just hit the green, you are gaining strokes.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
That is, that is the goal.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
So from one hundred and fifty yards a tour player.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Is he's going to miss the green like ten times
a year, even for one hundred.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Round max max. They just do not miss the green.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
So when you're watching golf on TV, if they've got
a wedge in their hand, notice they don't miss the green.
And if they do, they're mad, the caddy doesn't look happy.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
And then the announcers will beat them up. They'll say,
that's a bad miss.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
From one hundred and yes fifty yards, forty yards, one
hundred and thirty yards, that's a bad The announcers will go,
that's a bad shot. The X players that are commentating,
you know, guys like Kevin Kistner, guys like Trevor Immlman
that played if a good player a guy I lead,
If Roy McElroy's missing a I mean, that's the thing
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thirteen this year at Augusta. If Rory McElroy hitting the
water with from under one hundred yards, that is a
horrendous shot for a player of his caliber. So from
one hundred and twenty and in again, auto pars, you
want to try. You want to start putting down some
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auto pars on your score card from one hundred and
twenty in if you can pot halfway decent, think you
got a pretty decent chance to make a par.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
That weitchat needs to hit a green and maybe a
great white chat is eight feet, but a great white
chat can also be twenty feet on the safe side
of the hole from one hundred yards doesn't have to
be stripped, doesn't have to be inside the three foot circle.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
And then the other thing is we're talking about watching
golf on television, and then there's watching golf regular golf
on television, and then there's watching major championship golf, which
then things as a viewer get really really skewed because
I think when you're watching major championship golf, it really
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kind of.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Gives you that is the elite of tournament golf.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Right there's regular golf tournaments that are really really good
and they're really fun to watch. And there are some
great courses right Riviera, you know, Memorial, there's some great
golf courses that they could play majors on that that
maybe do they've played majors at Riviera and stuff. There
are really hard golf courses, you know, like PG two
or Hartford's tough golf course right there. They're hard golf courses.
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But when you're watching TV at major championships, you really
get to see it's on full display just how good
these players are because the golf courses are set up
so difficult. But as you said, for the majority of
people listening to the podcast, your home course is a
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major championship course based off of your skill level. So
treat it as a treat it like when you're watching
the Masters and you look at you know, like the
sixth hole where they the par three where they put
that pin up on the top shelf. If you can
get it up on that top shelf, it's an unbelievable shot.
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But if you miss that green to the right, it's
death right you're staring burgie or double. So look at
your own course like the Masters, like Augusta, look at
where these guys are hitting these shots so that they
give themselves nine right. There's pin positions at Augusta on
nine to where if you get above that hole, you're struggling.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Yes, they could put it off the groend.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
You could put it off the green.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
So look at where they hit it, and then listen
to what the commentators will say. That's the place he
was trying to hit it. In the majors, they will
always say because birdies are so hard to come by,
they will always say that's a great shot because this
is going to give him a chance to be aggressive,
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or they'll hit it in a place to where he's
like listening, Like if you get it, If that pin
is down on the front right of seven at Augusta
and you hit it over you hit it above that pin,
or you hit it over that green, you're not going
to make a par unless you make a miraculous up
and down, or you hit an unbelievable first putt that
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maybe has a chance to go in, or you're probably
if you get above the hole, you're probably gonna have
to hole of six to ten foot or for par.
So watch in the Majors where these guys are hitting
these shots, and then listen to what the announcers are
saying and then say, okay, why are they talking about
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how good a shot that is? And then there are
times I think RC when you're watching golf on TV,
to where it won't for us mere mortals look like
a great shot if they miss a green or if
they hit a shot to a pin that's really really difficult,
but the announcers will say, that's an unbelievable shot, and
it's not to two feet, it's not to three feet.
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Sometimes they miss a green and they chip it and
they've got ten feet up the hill, and the announcers
will say, that's an unbelievable shot. So go back to
your own game, go back to your own course, and say, okay, listen,
if I miss this green, can I get this thing
below the hole so that I can have an uphill
pot that I can be a little bit more aggressive on,
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because the last thing I want to do wherever the
pin is is put myself in this position, which then
makes my next pot hard.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I think eighteen yesterday for Fleetwood, second shot, after a
good decent T shots, second shot was a little downhill,
a little side here. He threw it out on the
left side of the green. He had, you know, forty
yards left. He didn't put it short seted, he didn't
put it in a bunker, he didn't hit it over
the green. He put it short left, and that gave
him the best opportunity to get up and down for
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aberty shots like that. That's six iron. May not look
like a great shot on TV, but that was a
great executed plan.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Body language, I think is another thing when you're watching
golf on TV, watching what players body language does. And
I think that's never more evident than when a player
who's never won before he is trying to win for
the first time. We saw that in the last three
weeks with Tommy Fleetwood. Tommy Fleetwood has won golf tournaments before.
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He's a great player. He's won, yeah, he's top ten,
top fifteen in the world. He has been for a
long time. He's won tournaments, but he's never won on
the PGA Tour. And over the last three weeks, look
at how well he has handled all of the stuff
that has gone on, right the near misses, and he
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talked a lot on Sunday about he doesn't know if
he'd have been able to get the win if he
hadn't had the failures in the last couple of weeks
and learning from them. But from a body language standpoint,
if a player is trying to win for the first
time and he hits a bad shot, you will hear
the commentators say, he played that really really fast, right,
he played that really really fast and hit a bad shot.
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Or he's taking a lot of time over this right,
he's taken a lot of time over this pot. He's
taken a lot of time over this chip. The announcers
will sometimes say, listen, this isn't that difficult a shot,
Or the indecisiveness. I think that interaction on par threes
or with irons, where the player will kind of have
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an iron.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
You'll hear the player.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Kind of talk to the caddy and you can see
by watching on TV, you can see that he doesn't
seem comfortable with the club. The announcers will say, it
doesn't look like he's comfortable with the club. The caddy
will come over, they'll talk, and then he'll hit a
shot and as soon as he hits it, he'll throw
the club back at the play and then what did
the announcers say? You could tell he never got comfortable.
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He never committed.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Kind of see those extra steps, there's extra waggles, there's
extra little parts of the routines that you can kind
of see and he can kind of feel it back
at home Washington TV that this is not the normal
guy we've seen the previous few holes.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Look at players, I mean, think about your personality, right,
I think when you're trying to come up with a
pre shot routine, I think it's really hard. I think
it's hard to emulate what you see on television from
a pre shot routine if that's not authentic to you.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
So, there are guys on tour that are incredibly fidgety,
you know, Kegan Bradley Jordan, They're really.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Kind of fidgety.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
They've got a lot of looks, a lot of regripts
and stuff like that sometimes, but they are on the
more fidgety side. Guys like Brooks, guys like DJ who
play very very fast. They their pre shot routines are
pretty much the same. They're really quick, They're really fast.
Greg Norman, Tiger Woods, Nick Foudo. Their pre shot routines
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were longer and very very specific. Greg's was a lot
of visualization. Tigers was very very meticulous, but if you're
trying to emulate someone's pre shot routine, you've got to
think in terms of what type of person you are.
Are you a fast paced person, are you a slow
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paced person? Are you a meticulate but whatever it is.
But I think one of the reasons why players are
he struggle with pre shot routines is you're trying to
emulate someone else's pre shot routine that isn't basically authentic
to them.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
So from a.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Tour player's pre shot routine when you're watching it on TV,
what are some of the things that you can take
from a player and.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Then say, Okay, I'm gonna try.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
And build my own preshot routine by doing some of
the things that the best players in the world do well.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
I think speaking out loud may seem funny if you're
by yourself, but it definitely helps you kind of resonate
what you're trying to talk through the process. So talking
through the process, right.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
You should be doing that if you're not doing that
out loud. I like the out loud thing. If you're
by yourself, you're on a par three and you're out
there and you're just going out and you're gonna play
nine holes and you're by yourself, and it's, you know,
one of those late rounds that everybody has where you're
not You're just going out to kind of play and
do a little bit on course practice. Go to the
par three and talk to yourself. Talk me through what
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that self talk out loud on a par three would
sound like.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Yeah, I would say, it's almost like I'm commentating from
the booth right, so I'm looking at the conditions. That's
good to number four here at Fluidian, we got a
one to eighty shot pin back left, water left, triple.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
So talk out loud, describe the hole as if you
were an announcer. Okay, let's go to the fourth hole
at your home course, the whole. Yeah, the fourth hole Floridian,
Part four are part three.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Par three number four here Floridian. The green is probably
thirty five forty yards long. It has a little tier
in the middle of it, so you can have a
one to fifty five shot, you can have a one
ninety shot, almost dependent upon where the pin is. Let's
say it's back left, we got water left, pen back left,
the green slopes to the water. It's a difficult shot.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
We've got a pin position on that par three front
left to where anything left of that flag don is
going to go into the water. So maybe the self
talk either in your head or I really like the
out loud part is imagine there was a drone doing
a flyover of the green and someone asked you to say, okay,
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your home course the first par three talk three as
if you were an announcer, and say, describe the hole.
Describe where the pin is today. So look at where
the pin is. Let's say the pin's front left and say, okay,
we've got you know, the poor three here at my
home course, one hundred and sixty five yards to pin
today is one hundred and forty. It's you know, on
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the left three or four paces, five paces, six paces
from the left, you know, ten paces on from the
front water left kind of bunker right, you know, the
no go zone is kind of the water. Anywhere right
of the flag is going to be a good shot.
And then the process of what you're trying to do.
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What does that sound like?
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yes, So from the booth, my mental booth right shots
one sixty five, the mental booth, I like that, the
mental booth, how about that? And then you know the
shots one sixty five. And throughout the day we've seen
a lot of players just go high right, just high right,
pin high right, somewhere right, and so a good shot
here today is going to be twenty five, twenty five right,
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one sixty five. Let's say it's a six iron, seven
iron for people, maybe a wind coming in from right
to left, so it's going to push it towards the water.
The shot here, the target here is somewhere right of
the hole. So let's get something very concrete and very transparent.
We have a defined target. Let's say it's a tree
trunk behind the green somewhere, and we're going to focus
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on that tree trunk. We're going to focus on the
high part of that tree truck. We're not going to
focus low. We're focusing high, So maybe the top part
of the tea trunk.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Meaning that's where you're trying to start the golf bus.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
We're starting the golf ball right. And let's say our
stock shot is a job. We're going to start it
far enough right that if I hit a nice fettle
draw on there, we'll feedback left towards the hole.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Something I just thought of from a self talk standpoint is,
let's say you get to the first par three on
the course. So the first part three here at the
Floridian is the fourth right. So if you walked onto
the fourth t and whatever your handicap is, imagine you
had a booth. They were common hating and they were
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going to give a synopsis of what you've just done
on the first three holes on one, two, and three.
So they would say, Okay, he's coming to this hole
and he's three over and he bogied one. He missed
the green at one. He hasn't hit agreen yet, so
I think it's really important on this first part three
that he hits the green because he's missed. You know,
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he's on the bogie train. He's three over. Really good
shot in here, imagine that, So that self talk would
be okay, or listen, really good drive on one Bertie
the first hit a really quality iron shot into two,
hit a really good pot and missed and then birdied
the third hole. Listen, he's two under. He's obviously swinging good.
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I expect to see a good shot here. You can
have that self talk in your head to where again
you're I think so many golfers, the interaction on the
golf course, between the player and the caddy.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
The other one.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
The thing that I think you should listen to is
how much they're talking about what they're going to do
or what they're trying to do as opposed to what
they're not trying to do.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Right.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yes, you will hear players in caddies say listen, yeah,
you know, we don't want to miss it to the left,
or we don't want to miss.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
It to the riders.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
But I don't think you hear that as much as
you hear the player in the caddy talking about what
they're going to do, what they're trying to do.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
It's all professional sports. Gonna have this talk. What are
we going to do today. We're gonna run this play.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
As opposed to what we're not going to do as yet, well,
what we're not trying to do.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
We're gonna run this play. I'm gonna try not the fumble. Right.
We would never hear that in the NFL. College football,
never hear that, And then we hear it almost all
the time when we talk to these juniors after tournaments.
And I was trying not to go here. I had
a three wood from two forty five on the sidehill,
and I was trying not to hit it into the tree.
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It's like pros never speak like that, they never carry
themselves like that. They I think one good fundamental that
we're kind of dancing around here is the think box
playbacks on the vision fifty four goals. And what we're
doing basically is we're making sure our think box and
our talk box has that definitive moment in conversation. But
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once we step into the shot, it's go time, right,
it's one second go, it's two seconds ago, it's a waggle, go,
go go, And then we save the talk for the
next shot in that think box talk box, right. And
so we're never going to have the conversation when we're
actually over the golf book. If we do, we need
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to step out. Makes sense, right, I'd say the only
one who would violate that rule is probably the Mary
Max Lee Trevino. He was always talking. But indeed you
want to be able to have that conversation. Think about
it from the booth perspective with ten year travel and
women with the accent speaking about the hole, the shot
like the accident. Yeh, he's my favorite favorite swing. Two
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trev shout out the trip, but also separate separate the
talk from the action. Just go out there and swing it.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
From the playboy, Why do you think it's so hard
for players to do that?
Speaker 3 (41:16):
For some reason, golf, but that ball not moving creates
a lot of anxiety, a lot of performance anxiety that
ball not moving. Other sports, the ball is moving and
you don't have that time to react. You only have
time to physically react, right, Golf is just so much
more time that creates and the and the best players
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in world. Obviously, I figured out that the shot itself
doesn't create that performance anxiety that we see in the
everyday golfer with the ball sitting there or the friends
sitting there hitting a good shot and now it's your turn. Right.
So it's hard, it's tough, it's a hard sport, but
there's ways to manage it all.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
So I was thinking about we talked about Tommy Fleetwood's
going back in and looking at you know, the data
and looking at you know, the stuff that we see
on TV and what we can.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Learn for it.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
So the first round leader, Tommy Fleetwood sixty four seven birdies,
one bogie, eleven fairways, eleven out of fourteen fairways, fourteen
out of eighteen green took care of the par fives,
two birdies on par fours. Another thing you can do
is say, okay, who had the highest score.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
That day? Okay, And if we look at round.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
One for Sepstraca, right, so step shoots seventy four. Okay,
there's ten shots higher than Tommy Fleetwood. Right, So Tommy
hit eleven out of fourteen fairways. Sebstracta hit ten out
of fourteen fairways. So Tommy hit one more fairway for
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sixty four concepted and Tommy had fourteen out of eighteen greens.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Sep had thirteen out of eighteen greens.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
So Tommy Fleetwood shoots ten shots better by hitting one
more fairway and one more green. And if we look
at let's go back and look at the scorecards. So, scorecard,
how do you shoot seventy four? You make a seven
on a par five, so you don't make any birdies,
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You bogie the ninth, you bogie.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Sixteen, and you make double on a par five.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
So he plays the par threes even and plays the
par fives in two over.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Yeah, I'm saying for that round two that he just
did not put anywhere.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Yeah, forty two total feet of putting for Sepstraka in
round one, Tommy fleet would one hundred and nine.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Yep. So putting is important.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
So I guess my point behind all of this RC,
and the reason why I won to talk about this
stuff on the podcast is there are a lot of
ways that you can improve your game by not doing
anything technically right learning how to execute better. And there's
so much data available now. Like you would think that
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the massive, massive difference between substractor seventy four and Tommy
Fleetwood shooting sixty four would be ball striking, it's not.
He's hit one more fair way and one more green.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
To The situations were practically the same, right from ten thousand.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Feet, So it's not always what you think. And I
just think that there is so much information available now
online you can go back in and watch, you know.
I think one of the great things that we do
for our junior golfers is go back and watch the
every shot component on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Right, we do that for our juniors. Right. We did
this recently.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
We had a bunch of our juniors together and we
went back and looked at brooks kept 's round from
Belly where he won the PGA against you know, Tiger's
chasing him down the stretch. Adam Scott's chasing it down
the stretch, right. And I think the title of the
of the YouTube videos you know can be Brooks kept
a storms to victory. You know this, that and the other.
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But you watch the first six seven holes of that,
he's making bogies, He's missing greens. So my point behind
all of this is when you watch golf, either on
TV or online, look at it objectively and look at
it factually. Yes, the best players in the world will
hit some iron shots to two feet right. Yes, they
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will hold sixty footers right. Yes, they will chip one in.
Yes they will drive it in places where even the
announcers are blown away and they're kind of blown away.
But don't miss the basic they do the really obvious thing.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Well, yes, they take a bogie if they need to, Right,
they take a bogie if they need to. They don't
miss the green with a wedge.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah, that's the other thing. I mean.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Tour players. I've said this before on the pod. Tour players,
when they get out of position off the tee, when
they're in trouble off the tee, they make bogee eighty
percent of the time. Right, So when you're watching golf
on TV. Look at how these players are making bogie.
Is it a There's two types of bogeys right for
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and it's terms we use. There's a great bogie and
then there's that's a soft bogee right one hundred and
fifty yards from the fairway, misses the green, hits a
bad chip shot and makes bogie. That's a bad that's
a soft bogie right, that's basically giving shots way. And
then there are bogies where the announcers you can tell
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the player you'll see a fist pump fifteen foot par
pot right.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
And the other thing is watch.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
How aggressive the par putts are versus how aggressive the
birdie putts are. I don't know why, but tour players
tend to put par putts hyper hyper aggressive because they're
trying not to lose the shot. And I always say, sometimes,
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if you have a player that's putting poorly, listen, take
the same approach you have on the bogie potts to
the birdie potts.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
You get fifteen feet.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
It's crazy watching the speed and watching how much more
aggressive the read is on a fifteen foot par pot
or a fifteen foot bogie pott. Because the last thing
you want to do is make it double on tour.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
So I don't know. Maybe it's a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
A sense of there's a psychological thing going on. There's
a little more sense.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
And you'll see someone from fifth leave one short or
not hit a great pot, and the announcers will go,
I wasn't a very good pott fifteen feet for par.
They burn in the edge, they're lipping it out. If
it doesn't go in, they're probably hitting it past the hole.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
That's the other thing I would look at as well.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
If it's a fut for par, look at how many
times players have on TV a putt for par and
look at how many times it gets past the hole
versus how many times they have a putt for birdie
and leave it short. I think you'll be surprised. Yeah,
I think you'll be surprised at how many times the
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best golfers on the planet underread a birdie pot and
don't hit at the right speed from fifteen to twenty feet.
And then you look at a twenty footer that they
make for par. I mean they'll walk it it in.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
Yeah, there's a little more comfort maybe with that birdie putt.
And then with the part Putt, there's a little more
must have, must need, can't avoid a shot lost here.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
So again trying to take something from watching TV the
best players in the world, Putt, like the best players
in the world do are right? Make them trying to
make them the tour players trying to not give a
shot back, right.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
They're really protecting that shock.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
It's the world that tour players that are playing for
a living, It's the world they live in. They know
that if they make a boguee, they're going down the
leader board. Right, they make a bogie or a double
on a par five, they're now on the cut line
and it's Thursday, and then they're in the morning group.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Talk to Ricky BMW right inside the top thirty with
nine holes to play. I think, basically and sadly, couldn't
get it done finish thirty second. I think, yeah, crazy, listen.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
I think there are so many things that you can
try and do to try and make your game better.
And one of the things that I always talk about
and Artie, I know it's something that you preach toler
Junior's that constant balance of technique versus execution.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Watch TV and always.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Remember, it's going to be very, very hard for you
to do what Scotti Schefler does unless you're six foot
four and you have his body. You can't climb inside
a tour player's body, right, It's going to be very
hard for you to emulate a swing position that you're
watching on television. Yes, I have golf swings that I
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love watching by Tommy Fleetwood's got one of the golf swings.
I love watching. Adam Scott has one of the golf
swings I love watching, right, But I also love watching
Bubba Watson's golf swing. I also love watching Scotti Scheffler's
golf swing because there's nobody right now that I see
on YouTube trying to teach Scotti Scheffler footwork, trying to
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teach the Scotty Scheffler position at the top of the backswing.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
But take the things that you can take away from
tour players and how to players play the game when
you're watching it on TV. Yes, marvel at the golf swings,
Marvel at the speed, Marvel at the slow motion stuff,
Marvel at the data that they give you on how
far and ball speed and stuff like that. But hyper
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focus on how they're playing the game, how they're hitting
their shots, where they're hitting their shots, and then work
backwards and try and say, Okay, what can I take
from what I just watched and now apply it to
my own game.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
I can have a perfect pre shot routine. I can
have really good prepared planning.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
I can try and par all the par fives. I
can try and not miss any of the greens on
the par threes. I can really try as a strategy
today to miss no greens from inside of one hundred
and twenty yards. I could really try and say, Okay,
if I get out of position off the tee, I
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make bogie eighty percent of the time.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Today.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
You're if you're a ten to twenty handicapper, you're gonna
hit bad shots, You're gonna make bad swings.
Speaker 3 (52:09):
You're gonna have maybe one perfect shot a week. But
you can have multiple perfect prep pre shots planning for
each shot every time. Really good stuff, Ryan, That's good
and as long too. You've got your new kind of
Instagram site, give it to us golf khouse Manage, yep.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
Golf Chaos Manage, which you're using some AI stuff to
just kind of talk about this execution part of golf
as opposed to the technique side of golf.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
Yeah, they're basically AI enhanced drills and games you can
take to the course that are also physical as well.
So there's there's a component to our coaching now where
we have a kind of a high intensity activity before
we execute some sort of finessed shot if you will,
like a fifty box stumps in a row, then got
and putt. So we're trying to elevate our heart rates
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and physiological responses, right, because that's what's happening on the
golf course. So you've got a practice and like you playing.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
And I think if you're trying to execute better at golf.
Chaos managed at Instagram some really cool stuff.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
Thanks Arsie.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
As always, it's the Son of a Butcher podcast. We
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of our summer series. Ryan works with me here at
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I think uneven liize is one of the most difficult
things for a lot of players to deal with, and
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Platform Golf has a solution, so our see. I think
we're always trying to figure out with players how they
can get better. And there are so many ways from
practice to all of the knowledge you have. But one
of the ways I think you can get better if
if you do it right, is by watching professional golf,
watching what tour players do. And I think a lot
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of people watch professional golf and they don't really kind
of pick up on the things they should be focusing on.
They focus on, Oh, yeah, how far everybody hits the golf? Well,
how far the driver goes? You know, you watch Roy
McRoy hit a driver. They've got the launch monitor data,
they've got how far it goes.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I mean, I think everybody marvels when he hits one
three forty, when he hits a nine iron from one
seventy five, but or almost everybody listening to this podcast,
those are not realistic numbers. And I do think I've
said it before Ryan, I think golfers are very much
influenced by television from a distant standpoint in that they
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watch so much golf on TV, they hear constantly what
the best players in the world on all the tours
have hitting an eight iron and then that's in your
head when you go play golf, don't you think.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah, like an eight iron from one seventy five is
a crazy, crazy dage for most.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah, I would say for the majority of people listening
to this podcast, they're eight iron probably goes one forty five,
pushing one fifty if you can get your ador and
up to one sixty. So don't focus on how four
the guys are hitting it, right, I think that's that's
a big trap. And if you're watching the LPGA as well,
again look at the numbers that they're hitting it and
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and be honest with yourself. My dad always says one
of the things you have to do to get better
at golf, so you have to check your ego at
the door, right, And I think we all think and
want to hit the golf ball further.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yeah, exactly, And you don't necessarily need to hit it
as far as a dj a cheffer to score well,
especially if you're playing from the red tees.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
That is the one thing.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
And then also remember when you're watching professional golf on television,
they've got these they've got.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
The golf course stretched as far.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I mean, if you're watching the guys, if you're watching
the men's you know, the PGA Tour Live DP Asia
International Series. They've got these golf courses stretched as far
back as we can. We were at a tournament last week,
a live event, and there were two It was a
par seventy. They took out two par fives and made
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them into long par fours, so they were always look at.
When you're looking at distances on TV, try and work
that back to where you're going to play your holes
from at your home course.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Right, I think your home course is your us O course.
We talked about that in a previous podcast. And the
chaos that you may see on TV is similar to
the chaos, especially like at the British Open. Chipping this
week in Georgia was you know, a lot of Zoisia,
a lot of chip ups.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
And East Lake for the Tour Championship Atlanta. It's hot,
the ball's going a long way yep. So one of
the things that I like to do, and I always
do this after someone wins a golf tournament, specifically on
the PGA Tour, because the shot linked data is so good,
I always go back in and look at the rounds
of what the players do and what shots they hit.
So just as an example one of the things that
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you can do, I think if you're really focused on
trying to get better, if you're trying to improve your scores,
look at what the best players in the world do.
But this is a really eye opener. I think if
you do this and just see what kind of shots
and what clubs and what the players say. So let's
go to Tommy Fleetwood who won the FedEx Cup last week,
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sixty four in the first round, right, so seven birdie's
one bogie, so sixty four, but eleven fairways, fourteen greens,
so obviously hitting it really really well. But what I
did was I just went through and I looked at
the distance he had on every hole that he hit
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the green on. So if we go to the first hole,
where so he starts off by making three birdies in
a row birdies one, two, and three. First fall hits
it to twenty one feet, second hole hits to twenty
two feet, third hole hits it to fourteen feet.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Okay, he's got a hot buttter, really hot potter.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Okay, fourth hole fifty eight feet, mix par.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Next hole, the fifth hits it to fourteen feet, misses
makes par. Sixth hole, par five, up the hill, gets
it on the green sixty eight feet, two putts for
a birdie. Seventh hole forty four feet, eighth hole twenty
two feet all pars here misses the on nine, ten
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and eleven. Let's see then, and he makes bogie by
missing the green on ten. And then we go to
the twelfth the par three, great shot, hits to four
feet right twelve part four yes, yeaheah, the par three
or the par four, yeah, up the hill, and then
we go to thirteen. He makes par fourteen thirteen twenty
two feet fourteen forty feet, fifteen the par three kind
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of the island ging hits great shot six feet, and
then pars sixteen and seventeen thirty three feet on sixteen
twenty five feet. On seventeen eighteen's to par five, he
misses the green, gets it up and down, makes berdie.
So how does he shoot sixty four? Yeah, he hit.
So he's got fourteen feet, fourteen feet and four feet
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six So he hits four shots inside of fifteen feet,
and he hits two shots inside.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Of ten feet and has a bogie.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
All right, But if you look at that twenty one
feet twenty two feet forty fifty eight feet, sixty eight
feet forty four feet, twenty two feet, twenty three feet. Like,
one of the ways you can shoot sixty four is
to hit the golf ball.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
To twenty feet a lot, a lot.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Now that sounds crazy, because go to your home course,
wherever the flag is, Go to home depot, get a
measuring wheel, and measure out twenty feet thirty feet. Look
at where that is. That's not as close as people think.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
You were talking seven to ten paces away from the hole.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
So one of the ways you shoot sixty four is
to hit the majority of your shots seven to ten
paces away from the hole, because if you pot halfway decent,
that's where you give yourself a lot of really really
good looks. My point behind all of those numbers is, yeah,
he hit one to four feet on a par three,
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but he also birdied two of the four par threes
and took care of both of the par five, So
he picked up shots on the par five.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Things we you know, practice and preach about taking care
of the par threes, limiting damage there, taking care of
the par fives, making sure you have at least a
birdy chance there.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, so birding two of the four par threes. We
talk about this. I've talked about this. It's something I
know that we talked to our junior golfers a lot
about that. Just try and play the par threes, even
to one over for the day, right, don't blow up
on the par three.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
So that's another thing.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
When you go back in and you're watching golf on TV,
or you're looking at the score cards that they're showing
up and they show at the end of the round,
they show the score card, do a quick glance and
look at how they did on the par fives, and
look at how they did on the par threes.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
You can't shoot sixty four if you don't.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Take care of the par fives and you're over par
on the par threes.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
It just doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Just doesn't happen. And you don't have to perhaps seven birdies.
We're not your home course, right, you might be able
to translate out into two or three birdies, and for
like a ten handicapper that's potentially swinging from bogie, that's
potentially three, four or five shots you can save because
you're not trying to play a strip show every shot,
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which is definitely not what this first round is showing
us it was not a Tommy Fleetwood stripe show.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, he had a lot of quality golf. Liss.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
The other thing is when you go back and you
look at your home course, right, instead of thinking about
it's maybe a little mind shift in on the PGA
Tour and when you're watching professional golf, you're looking at
how these guys do on the par fix, right. So
if they make a par on a par five, the
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attitude and the body language is going to be great.
The commentators are going to be saying, okay, you know,
didn't take advantage of the par fives. Or if a
player is playing really good and they're into the back nine,
if they're three four they make the tw earn five under,
what are they gonna say on TV? And he's got
two par fives to come where he's definitely going to
try and pick up shots.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
So rather than do what the tour.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Players do and think of, Okay, I've got to take
advantage of all the par fives today, flip it and say, okay,
I'm not going to lose strokes on any of the
par five today. I'm not going to give away chances.
So PGA Tour players professional golfers, they're all trying to
birdie every par five they play. Flip it, your birdie
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is a par. Your birdie on the par five is
park And.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
You're probably gonna have four at your course, not gonna
have two at your home course. And that's gonna be
four auto pars basically because you have a chance to
get in the ferry, you have a chance to get
back in the ferry on the layup, and then hopefully
you have a short iron end and mathematically that should
be four relatively easy holes for you that you can
auto par and move on. Right, So that's you know,
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four holes in the course. We got three or four
part threes, and now we're talking half the course is
done and you get the long par fourst to figure out.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, And I think when you look at the course
that you're playing, if it's your home course, try and
turn the par fives from a strategy standpoint into an
auto par to where you're just like, listen, I am
going to make pars on all the par fives today, right,
Because on tour we are looking at the par fives
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and in our practice sessions we're like, okay, where is
the best place strategy wise for the player to make birdies.
What is the best strategy you can come up with
to make birdies on all of the par fives. So
at your home course, what is the best strategy that
you can have to make pars on all the par fives?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yes, not be in trouble off the tee, get out
of trouble on the layup shot, or advance it to
where you have, you know, a wedge, short iron nd
and those become the auto park. And I'm looking at
I'm looking at Fleetwood's data here for the entire tournament.
And you know, he lost a shot off the tee.
They didn't drive a great right. He gained a couple
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of shots, uh seventh on the and there's only thirty players,
but a couple of shots into the green right, he
gained eight shots. Putting best putter of the week. He
hit seventy five percent of his fairy ways. He hit
seventy percent of his greens. So that's twenty one twenty
one pitches and chips he had to come up with.
He was two out of five sanss and he was
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thirteen out of twenty one on those chips.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
So the takeaways when you're watching it on TV is
birdie Fest, Birdie Fest, Birdie Fest, birdie Fest. But yeah,
sixteen under, but he's still missing some greens. He still
isn't knocking it to two feet every single time. He's
just hitting a lot of really good shots. The interaction
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on the golf course between the player and the caddy,
what do you feel like when you're watching TV and
you're listening to those interactions, what should the average golfer
be taking from that kind of player caddy interaction.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, I think that's what's really valuable on TV is
that the commentary and that caddy player interaction, and when
they get the mics up real close, you can really
hear how the player goes through the process. And the
process is the most important part. So you know, Jordan
Speith comes to mind, him and his caddy, Michael Greller,
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long conversations, probably leading it up to the chat. Nicolson's
another good one on LIV where you just hear the process,
you hear the numbers. And one thing one of the
things we always talk about juniors versus pros, right, is
that the pros are talking about numbers and where to go,
and the juniors are talking about what to avoid, how
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much yarded it is, is it to the water? Things
like that, and the the whole dynamic is different. The
whole dynamic is totally different. When that bro and Cattie
speak about what they're going to do on this shot.
You know, nine times out of ten they get close
to pulling it off and that one time, you know,
they hit it to two feet right, and it's an
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expected outcome when you hear that interaction and how they
do with the shot.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
And I also think it's really important to kind of
get the interaction of what they're saying when they get
in trouble. You know, what are they talking about when
they hit the ball into the trees because the caddy's
going to be going up and trying to get you know,
some form of yardage.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
What British Open was that Jordan Spieth won. He was
hitting it all over the place and the mics were
great that week, right, we could hear him talking about
how to get out of the trouble he was in.
I think it was like sixteen or seventeen par five
of the US the British Open that he won, he
hit it like across one of the other hole. The
hit it on the range yeah, and then he took
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that hybrid I think maybe and hit it over like
a and grandstands and it's like the conversation there was.
That's when one of the ones I remember the most
about Jordan.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, and I think Phil Mickelson's always been I mean
the Phil show right when he gets into the trees.
I mean there have been times to where, back when
Bones was cattying for him, there was one I think
it was at the players and he hit a shot
through the trees and he said, you know, the MIC's
picked up. I didn't want to tell you what I
was doing because you would have tried to talk me
out of it. Where the player has a really, really,
really good vision of what they're going to do, I've
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talked about on the pod before. The only thing I
think is really important to look at is where these
players are hitting their wedges. It's a myth that inside
of ten feet is everybody's hitting a web shot from
inside one hundred and fifty yards In professional golf, in
the men's game, the data will basically tell you that
it's what twenty feet, it's twenty feet away from the
flag on average, from kind of that one twenty to
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one thirty range, because I think the numbers it really
really skewed because we're so used to everyone saying to us,
you know, broadcast wise, Okay, he's not gonna be happy
with that because it's outside of ten feet, but tour
players with their wedges aren't hitting it inside of ten
feet all the time.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Got a lot of tools that we use as coaches
and players can use them. Two and one of the
best tools I have, Data Golf, Data Golf, I believed.
Shout out to the data Golf. But Scheffler's been the
best wedge player in the last couple of years, and
that's why he's number one. He literally hits it about
one to two paces closer than anybody else, from fifty
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to one fifty, which is that's crazy. Over how many
tournament rounds you've played this year, one.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Hundred, Yeah, because just next time you whatever iron shot
you hit right, whatever iron shot that you hit on
a green walk one to two paces closer to the hole.
I mean, the fact that he's that much better than
everybody else on too right, he's hitting it his iron
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game is unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Yeah, it's basically four feet closer, fifty to one hundred
yards and about three feet closer, almost four feet closer
fifty and it's just it's just not even close. Right.
He is spectacular at those numbers. And you had definitely
a couple of chances to watch him practice and play
at the Majors this year and how fundamental it is.
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It's not anything like earth shattering and rocket science. He's
just grinding on his grip and grinding on his practice, right.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I think that's another really important thing when you're watching
golf on TV, preshot routines and watching what a player
does before they hit a shot, and if you're watching
last week at the Tour Championship, if you're looking to
emulate a pre shot routine, please don't emulate the human
reiin delay that is Patker can't like because that's a joke,
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how slow that guy is.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
But you will see Patrick.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
I mean, the problem with Patrick Cantley and what he
does before every shot is he does the same damn thing.
He takes an hour to hit every shot. You know,
the footwork, the looks, I mean what he had seven looks.
I watched him at a shot in the eighth hole
the other day on Sunday, it's seven looks the whole.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Right, seven? What the hell you what do you need?
Seven looks at the whole?
Speaker 1 (18:20):
So that would be a pre shot routine not to follow,
and then a great pre shot routine specifically with Zions
because he's a little bit slower on the on the
putting green, DJ and Brooks, I mean, they're they're already
point aim, shoot.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
They don't take a lot of time.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
My point around watching pre shot routines is most players
are going to pretty much do the same thing all
the time, and we see that, and I think putting
routines are really really good learning opportunities for people watching
how the best players in the world work on the green.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Right. You know, Jordan and Phil are great examples on
the putting greens because they're Jordan's probably more of a talker.
I think Phil does his own putting, I think most
of the time. But they are really approaching it from
the three to six of you. They're speaking out loud.
They're talking about where they're going to put it and
how it's going to enter the hole. And a lot
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of the golfers we see basically have one look don't
get a real good judgment of the slope the grain,
et cetera, and almost go too fast on the putting green.
The one thing for sure we've definitely preached is we
always want to pace off your putts, and that kind
of breaks the process up a little bit.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
You can and you can do that while you're other
players already, the other players are gathering their data. If
you're the last, if you've hit it in they're really
good on a part three, you know you're going to
be last to hit. That means you've got let's say
you're playing with, you know, a foursome. However, many players
are in the group. You have the opportunity while they're
putting right.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Your appreciatory team doesn't start when it's your returnity.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
No, it's not your skater and all of a sudden,
I mean, that's the thing I see the most, right,
I see so many players it's like their figure skaters.
They wait until it's their turn to play and then
they kind of come on to the ice rink and
they skate out and they go through all their stuff.
You should be ready to go and correct. I mean,
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I think that's that's a huge part of data gathering
and information. Get your information again using Brooks and DJ
as an example, those guys are last to hit in
the groups a lot because they're hitting the golf ball
a long way. So if their last to hit, I mean,
the TV guys always say if DJ's last to hit,
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they're struggling to get a camera behind him before he
pulls the trigger, because he's already got the number, he
already knows the shot he's going to hit, he's already
got the club, he's already gone kind of through some
of his practice swings, so he's getting in there and.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Getting ready to go.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
The other player balls in the air. Yeah, So you know,
I saw every shot DJ hit this year and live,
and there's definitely a few times where I'm waiting for
the camera to pop up and he's already hit the
ball and it's already landing, and luckily we can still
track the proximity stuff like that. But it's definitely nice
to see that he is always moving while the other
players are hitting their shots.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
When you're watching golf on TV, what are you looking?
Speaker 1 (21:24):
What do you think you can look for from a
short game standpoint, Because obviously one of the easiest ways,
one of the lowest hanging fruit for your scores to
improve is for the short game to improve. But when
you're watching it on TV, what are some things you
think that the people watching can take and apply to
their own game.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I do have a good point about this. It's very
difficult to really understand, to really understand how difficult the
short game shots can be on TV or how easy
they can be. Right. For example, Fleetwood shot on eighteen
the last round. He probably had like a forty yard
pitch shot. If he was on the wrong side of
that hole, back right instead of front left, that would
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have been something you can see on TV. But you
can't see the grain, you can't see the side slopes,
you can't see the distance he's got to carry it.
That's the hard part. So one thing you should always
assume is that those chips and pitches that you see
on TV look most likely more difficult than they appear.
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And having a forty yard shot to win a tournament,
I'm telling you that was not an easy shot. That's
note hit it to ten feet and didn't get it
up and down. But he still had room to play
with on that last hole to win by a couple
of shots. I think the one thing I would I
would assume is that the shot is way more difficult
than it appears on TV because you just can't see
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the grain, the slope, the perception, and you can't really
value the circumstance. The other thing is that those guys
are so good basically one fifteen n You can't believe
how good they are. But good is meaning that they
don't miss the green.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I mean, if you're looking to improve your wedge game, right,
I think what you're saying there is hugely important. So wedges,
for if you look at the men's game, you know,
pretty much across the board, the majority of professional golfers
that play golf on the PGA Live DP Asia and wherever,
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their wedges are from inside one hundred and fifty yards right.
For the rest of us, our wedge game is inside.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Of one hundred probably one hundred, maybe one.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
One twenty max. If you can really push it. So
if you just think in terms of and this is
going to encumbass par threes as well, if the goal
every time you have one hundred and twenty yards and
in the goal should be if there was shot linked data, right,
if there was shot link data and there was strokes
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gain data for the average golfer, and you can do
this on apps like clip I mean, that's one of
the ones that we use a lot. You can put
in your data and stuff. But from one hundred and
twenty and in for average golfers, strokes gained. If you
just hit the green, you are gaining strokes.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
That is, that is the goal.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
So from one hundred and fifty yards a tour player.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Is he's going to miss the green like ten times
a year, even for one hundred.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Round max max. They just do not miss the green.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
So when you're watching golf on TV, if they've got
a wedge in their hand, notice they don't miss the green.
And if they do, they're mad, the caddy doesn't look happy.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
And then the announcers will beat them up. They'll say,
that's a bad miss.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
From one hundred and yes fifty yards, forty yards, one
hundred and thirty yards, that's a bad The announcers will go,
that's a bad shot. The X players that are commentating,
you know, guys like Kevin Kistner, guys like Trevor Immlman
that played if a good player a guy I lead,
If Roy McElroy's missing a I mean, that's the thing
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thirteen this year at Augusta. If Rory McElroy hitting the
water with from under one hundred yards, that is a
horrendous shot for a player of his caliber. So from
one hundred and twenty and in again, auto pars, you
want to try. You want to start putting down some
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auto pars on your score card from one hundred and
twenty in if you can pot halfway decent, think you
got a pretty decent chance to make a par.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
That weitchat needs to hit a green and maybe a
great white chat is eight feet, but a great white
chat can also be twenty feet on the safe side
of the hole from one hundred yards doesn't have to
be stripped, doesn't have to be inside the three foot circle.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
And then the other thing is we're talking about watching
golf on television, and then there's watching golf regular golf
on television, and then there's watching major championship golf, which
then things as a viewer get really really skewed because
I think when you're watching major championship golf, it really
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kind of.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Gives you that is the elite of tournament golf.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Right there's regular golf tournaments that are really really good
and they're really fun to watch. And there are some
great courses right Riviera, you know, Memorial, there's some great
golf courses that they could play majors on that that
maybe do they've played majors at Riviera and stuff. There
are really hard golf courses, you know, like PG two
or Hartford's tough golf course right there. They're hard golf courses.
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But when you're watching TV at major championships, you really
get to see it's on full display just how good
these players are because the golf courses are set up
so difficult. But as you said, for the majority of
people listening to the podcast, your home course is a
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major championship course based off of your skill level. So
treat it as a treat it like when you're watching
the Masters and you look at you know, like the
sixth hole where they the par three where they put
that pin up on the top shelf. If you can
get it up on that top shelf, it's an unbelievable shot.
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But if you miss that green to the right, it's
death right you're staring burgie or double. So look at
your own course like the Masters, like Augusta, look at
where these guys are hitting these shots so that they
give themselves nine right. There's pin positions at Augusta on
nine to where if you get above that hole, you're struggling.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Yes, they could put it off the groend.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
You could put it off the green.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
So look at where they hit it, and then listen
to what the commentators will say. That's the place he
was trying to hit it. In the majors, they will
always say because birdies are so hard to come by,
they will always say that's a great shot because this
is going to give him a chance to be aggressive,
(28:15):
or they'll hit it in a place to where he's
like listening, Like if you get it, If that pin
is down on the front right of seven at Augusta
and you hit it over you hit it above that pin,
or you hit it over that green, you're not going
to make a par unless you make a miraculous up
and down, or you hit an unbelievable first putt that
(28:38):
maybe has a chance to go in, or you're probably
if you get above the hole, you're probably gonna have
to hole of six to ten foot or for par.
So watch in the Majors where these guys are hitting
these shots, and then listen to what the announcers are
saying and then say, okay, why are they talking about
(29:00):
how good a shot that is? And then there are
times I think RC when you're watching golf on TV,
to where it won't for us mere mortals look like
a great shot if they miss a green or if
they hit a shot to a pin that's really really difficult,
but the announcers will say, that's an unbelievable shot, and
it's not to two feet, it's not to three feet.
(29:23):
Sometimes they miss a green and they chip it and
they've got ten feet up the hill, and the announcers
will say, that's an unbelievable shot. So go back to
your own game, go back to your own course, and say, okay, listen,
if I miss this green, can I get this thing
below the hole so that I can have an uphill
pot that I can be a little bit more aggressive on,
(29:45):
because the last thing I want to do wherever the
pin is is put myself in this position, which then
makes my next pot hard.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I think eighteen yesterday for Fleetwood, second shot, after a
good decent T shots, second shot was a little downhill,
a little side here. He threw it out on the
left side of the green. He had, you know, forty
yards left. He didn't put it short seted, he didn't
put it in a bunker, he didn't hit it over
the green. He put it short left, and that gave
him the best opportunity to get up and down for
(30:15):
aberty shots like that. That's six iron. May not look
like a great shot on TV, but that was a
great executed plan.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Body language, I think is another thing when you're watching
golf on TV, watching what players body language does. And
I think that's never more evident than when a player
who's never won before he is trying to win for
the first time. We saw that in the last three
weeks with Tommy Fleetwood. Tommy Fleetwood has won golf tournaments before.
(30:47):
He's a great player. He's won, yeah, he's top ten,
top fifteen in the world. He has been for a
long time. He's won tournaments, but he's never won on
the PGA Tour. And over the last three weeks, look
at how well he has handled all of the stuff
that has gone on, right the near misses, and he
(31:08):
talked a lot on Sunday about he doesn't know if
he'd have been able to get the win if he
hadn't had the failures in the last couple of weeks
and learning from them. But from a body language standpoint,
if a player is trying to win for the first
time and he hits a bad shot, you will hear
the commentators say, he played that really really fast, right,
he played that really really fast and hit a bad shot.
(31:31):
Or he's taking a lot of time over this right,
he's taken a lot of time over this pot. He's
taken a lot of time over this chip. The announcers
will sometimes say, listen, this isn't that difficult a shot,
Or the indecisiveness. I think that interaction on par threes
or with irons, where the player will kind of have
(31:51):
an iron.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
You'll hear the player.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Kind of talk to the caddy and you can see
by watching on TV, you can see that he doesn't
seem comfortable with the club. The announcers will say, it
doesn't look like he's comfortable with the club. The caddy
will come over, they'll talk, and then he'll hit a
shot and as soon as he hits it, he'll throw
the club back at the play and then what did
the announcers say? You could tell he never got comfortable.
(32:16):
He never committed.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Kind of see those extra steps, there's extra waggles, there's
extra little parts of the routines that you can kind
of see and he can kind of feel it back
at home Washington TV that this is not the normal
guy we've seen the previous few holes.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Look at players, I mean, think about your personality, right,
I think when you're trying to come up with a
pre shot routine, I think it's really hard. I think
it's hard to emulate what you see on television from
a pre shot routine if that's not authentic to you.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
So, there are guys on tour that are incredibly fidgety,
you know, Kegan Bradley Jordan, They're really.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Kind of fidgety.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
They've got a lot of looks, a lot of regripts
and stuff like that sometimes, but they are on the
more fidgety side. Guys like Brooks, guys like DJ who
play very very fast. They their pre shot routines are
pretty much the same. They're really quick, They're really fast.
Greg Norman, Tiger Woods, Nick Foudo. Their pre shot routines
(33:21):
were longer and very very specific. Greg's was a lot
of visualization. Tigers was very very meticulous, but if you're
trying to emulate someone's pre shot routine, you've got to
think in terms of what type of person you are.
Are you a fast paced person, are you a slow
(33:42):
paced person? Are you a meticulate but whatever it is.
But I think one of the reasons why players are
he struggle with pre shot routines is you're trying to
emulate someone else's pre shot routine that isn't basically authentic
to them.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
So from a.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Tour player's pre shot routine when you're watching it on TV,
what are some of the things that you can take
from a player and.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Then say, Okay, I'm gonna try.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
And build my own preshot routine by doing some of
the things that the best players in the world do well.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
I think speaking out loud may seem funny if you're
by yourself, but it definitely helps you kind of resonate
what you're trying to talk through the process. So talking
through the process, right.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
You should be doing that if you're not doing that
out loud. I like the out loud thing. If you're
by yourself, you're on a par three and you're out
there and you're just going out and you're gonna play
nine holes and you're by yourself, and it's, you know,
one of those late rounds that everybody has where you're
not You're just going out to kind of play and
do a little bit on course practice. Go to the
par three and talk to yourself. Talk me through what
(34:46):
that self talk out loud on a par three would
sound like.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Yeah, I would say, it's almost like I'm commentating from
the booth right, so I'm looking at the conditions. That's
good to number four here at Fluidian, we got a
one to eighty shot pin back left, water left, triple.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
So talk out loud, describe the hole as if you
were an announcer. Okay, let's go to the fourth hole
at your home course, the whole. Yeah, the fourth hole Floridian,
Part four are part three.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Par three number four here Floridian. The green is probably
thirty five forty yards long. It has a little tier
in the middle of it, so you can have a
one to fifty five shot, you can have a one
ninety shot, almost dependent upon where the pin is. Let's
say it's back left, we got water left, pen back left,
the green slopes to the water. It's a difficult shot.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
We've got a pin position on that par three front
left to where anything left of that flag don is
going to go into the water. So maybe the self
talk either in your head or I really like the
out loud part is imagine there was a drone doing
a flyover of the green and someone asked you to say, okay,
(35:56):
your home course the first par three talk three as
if you were an announcer, and say, describe the hole.
Describe where the pin is today. So look at where
the pin is. Let's say the pin's front left and say, okay,
we've got you know, the poor three here at my
home course, one hundred and sixty five yards to pin
today is one hundred and forty. It's you know, on
(36:18):
the left three or four paces, five paces, six paces
from the left, you know, ten paces on from the
front water left kind of bunker right, you know, the
no go zone is kind of the water. Anywhere right
of the flag is going to be a good shot.
And then the process of what you're trying to do.
(36:38):
What does that sound like?
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yes, So from the booth, my mental booth right shots
one sixty five, the mental booth, I like that, the
mental booth, how about that? And then you know the
shots one sixty five. And throughout the day we've seen
a lot of players just go high right, just high right,
pin high right, somewhere right, and so a good shot
here today is going to be twenty five, twenty five right,
(37:01):
one sixty five. Let's say it's a six iron, seven
iron for people, maybe a wind coming in from right
to left, so it's going to push it towards the water.
The shot here, the target here is somewhere right of
the hole. So let's get something very concrete and very transparent.
We have a defined target. Let's say it's a tree
trunk behind the green somewhere, and we're going to focus
(37:22):
on that tree trunk. We're going to focus on the
high part of that tree truck. We're not going to
focus low. We're focusing high, So maybe the top part
of the tea trunk.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Meaning that's where you're trying to start the golf bus.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
We're starting the golf ball right. And let's say our
stock shot is a job. We're going to start it
far enough right that if I hit a nice fettle
draw on there, we'll feedback left towards the hole.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Something I just thought of from a self talk standpoint is,
let's say you get to the first par three on
the course. So the first part three here at the
Floridian is the fourth right. So if you walked onto
the fourth t and whatever your handicap is, imagine you
had a booth. They were common hating and they were
(38:01):
going to give a synopsis of what you've just done
on the first three holes on one, two, and three.
So they would say, Okay, he's coming to this hole
and he's three over and he bogied one. He missed
the green at one. He hasn't hit agreen yet, so
I think it's really important on this first part three
that he hits the green because he's missed. You know,
(38:24):
he's on the bogie train. He's three over. Really good
shot in here, imagine that, So that self talk would
be okay, or listen, really good drive on one Bertie
the first hit a really quality iron shot into two,
hit a really good pot and missed and then birdied
the third hole. Listen, he's two under. He's obviously swinging good.
(38:46):
I expect to see a good shot here. You can
have that self talk in your head to where again
you're I think so many golfers, the interaction on the
golf course, between the player and the caddy.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
The other one.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
The thing that I think you should listen to is
how much they're talking about what they're going to do
or what they're trying to do as opposed to what
they're not trying to do.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Right.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yes, you will hear players in caddies say listen, yeah,
you know, we don't want to miss it to the left,
or we don't want to miss.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
It to the riders.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
But I don't think you hear that as much as
you hear the player in the caddy talking about what
they're going to do, what they're trying to do.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
It's all professional sports. Gonna have this talk. What are
we going to do today. We're gonna run this play.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
As opposed to what we're not going to do as yet, well,
what we're not trying to do.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
We're gonna run this play. I'm gonna try not the fumble. Right.
We would never hear that in the NFL. College football,
never hear that, And then we hear it almost all
the time when we talk to these juniors after tournaments.
And I was trying not to go here. I had
a three wood from two forty five on the sidehill,
and I was trying not to hit it into the tree.
(40:00):
It's like pros never speak like that, they never carry
themselves like that. They I think one good fundamental that
we're kind of dancing around here is the think box
playbacks on the vision fifty four goals. And what we're
doing basically is we're making sure our think box and
our talk box has that definitive moment in conversation. But
(40:22):
once we step into the shot, it's go time, right,
it's one second go, it's two seconds ago, it's a waggle, go,
go go, And then we save the talk for the
next shot in that think box talk box, right. And
so we're never going to have the conversation when we're
actually over the golf book. If we do, we need
(40:44):
to step out. Makes sense, right, I'd say the only
one who would violate that rule is probably the Mary
Max Lee Trevino. He was always talking. But indeed you
want to be able to have that conversation. Think about
it from the booth perspective with ten year travel and
women with the accent speaking about the hole, the shot
like the accident. Yeh, he's my favorite favorite swing. Two
(41:04):
trev shout out the trip, but also separate separate the
talk from the action. Just go out there and swing it.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
From the playboy, Why do you think it's so hard
for players to do that?
Speaker 3 (41:16):
For some reason, golf, but that ball not moving creates
a lot of anxiety, a lot of performance anxiety that
ball not moving. Other sports, the ball is moving and
you don't have that time to react. You only have
time to physically react, right, Golf is just so much
more time that creates and the and the best players
(41:37):
in world. Obviously, I figured out that the shot itself
doesn't create that performance anxiety that we see in the
everyday golfer with the ball sitting there or the friends
sitting there hitting a good shot and now it's your turn. Right.
So it's hard, it's tough, it's a hard sport, but
there's ways to manage it all.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
So I was thinking about we talked about Tommy Fleetwood's
going back in and looking at you know, the data
and looking at you know, the stuff that we see
on TV and what we can.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Learn for it.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
So the first round leader, Tommy Fleetwood sixty four seven birdies,
one bogie, eleven fairways, eleven out of fourteen fairways, fourteen
out of eighteen green took care of the par fives,
two birdies on par fours. Another thing you can do
is say, okay, who had the highest score.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
That day? Okay, And if we look at round.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
One for Sepstraca, right, so step shoots seventy four. Okay,
there's ten shots higher than Tommy Fleetwood. Right, So Tommy
hit eleven out of fourteen fairways. Sebstracta hit ten out
of fourteen fairways. So Tommy hit one more fairway for
(42:59):
sixty four concepted and Tommy had fourteen out of eighteen greens.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Sep had thirteen out of eighteen greens.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
So Tommy Fleetwood shoots ten shots better by hitting one
more fairway and one more green. And if we look
at let's go back and look at the scorecards. So, scorecard,
how do you shoot seventy four? You make a seven
on a par five, so you don't make any birdies,
(43:28):
You bogie the ninth, you bogie.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Sixteen, and you make double on a par five.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
So he plays the par threes even and plays the
par fives in two over.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Yeah, I'm saying for that round two that he just
did not put anywhere.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Yeah, forty two total feet of putting for Sepstraka in
round one, Tommy fleet would one hundred and nine.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Yep. So putting is important.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
So I guess my point behind all of this RC,
and the reason why I won to talk about this
stuff on the podcast is there are a lot of
ways that you can improve your game by not doing
anything technically right learning how to execute better. And there's
so much data available now. Like you would think that
(44:16):
the massive, massive difference between substractor seventy four and Tommy
Fleetwood shooting sixty four would be ball striking, it's not.
He's hit one more fair way and one more green.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
To The situations were practically the same, right from ten thousand.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Feet, So it's not always what you think. And I
just think that there is so much information available now
online you can go back in and watch, you know.
I think one of the great things that we do
for our junior golfers is go back and watch the
every shot component on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Right, we do that for our juniors. Right. We did
this recently.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
We had a bunch of our juniors together and we
went back and looked at brooks kept 's round from
Belly where he won the PGA against you know, Tiger's
chasing him down the stretch. Adam Scott's chasing it down
the stretch, right. And I think the title of the
of the YouTube videos you know can be Brooks kept
a storms to victory. You know this, that and the other.
(45:18):
But you watch the first six seven holes of that,
he's making bogies, He's missing greens. So my point behind
all of this is when you watch golf, either on
TV or online, look at it objectively and look at
it factually. Yes, the best players in the world will
hit some iron shots to two feet right. Yes, they
(45:41):
will hold sixty footers right. Yes, they will chip one in.
Yes they will drive it in places where even the
announcers are blown away and they're kind of blown away.
But don't miss the basic they do the really obvious thing.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Well, yes, they take a bogie if they need to, Right,
they take a bogie if they need to. They don't
miss the green with a wedge.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah, that's the other thing. I mean.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Tour players. I've said this before on the pod. Tour players,
when they get out of position off the tee, when
they're in trouble off the tee, they make bogee eighty
percent of the time. Right, So when you're watching golf
on TV. Look at how these players are making bogie.
Is it a There's two types of bogeys right for
(46:31):
and it's terms we use. There's a great bogie and
then there's that's a soft bogee right one hundred and
fifty yards from the fairway, misses the green, hits a
bad chip shot and makes bogie. That's a bad that's
a soft bogie right, that's basically giving shots way. And
then there are bogies where the announcers you can tell
(46:54):
the player you'll see a fist pump fifteen foot par
pot right.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
And the other thing is watch.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
How aggressive the par putts are versus how aggressive the
birdie putts are. I don't know why, but tour players
tend to put par putts hyper hyper aggressive because they're
trying not to lose the shot. And I always say, sometimes,
(47:24):
if you have a player that's putting poorly, listen, take
the same approach you have on the bogie potts to
the birdie potts.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
You get fifteen feet.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
It's crazy watching the speed and watching how much more
aggressive the read is on a fifteen foot par pot
or a fifteen foot bogie pott. Because the last thing
you want to do is make it double on tour.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
So I don't know. Maybe it's a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
A sense of there's a psychological thing going on. There's
a little more sense.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
And you'll see someone from fifth leave one short or
not hit a great pot, and the announcers will go,
I wasn't a very good pott fifteen feet for par.
They burn in the edge, they're lipping it out. If
it doesn't go in, they're probably hitting it past the hole.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
That's the other thing I would look at as well.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
If it's a fut for par, look at how many
times players have on TV a putt for par and
look at how many times it gets past the hole
versus how many times they have a putt for birdie
and leave it short. I think you'll be surprised. Yeah,
I think you'll be surprised at how many times the
(48:37):
best golfers on the planet underread a birdie pot and
don't hit at the right speed from fifteen to twenty feet.
And then you look at a twenty footer that they
make for par. I mean they'll walk it it in.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
Yeah, there's a little more comfort maybe with that birdie putt.
And then with the part Putt, there's a little more
must have, must need, can't avoid a shot lost here.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
So again trying to take something from watching TV the
best players in the world, Putt, like the best players
in the world do are right? Make them trying to
make them the tour players trying to not give a
shot back, right.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
They're really protecting that shock.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
It's the world that tour players that are playing for
a living, It's the world they live in. They know
that if they make a boguee, they're going down the
leader board. Right, they make a bogie or a double
on a par five, they're now on the cut line
and it's Thursday, and then they're in the morning group.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Talk to Ricky BMW right inside the top thirty with
nine holes to play. I think, basically and sadly, couldn't
get it done finish thirty second. I think, yeah, crazy, listen.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
I think there are so many things that you can
try and do to try and make your game better.
And one of the things that I always talk about
and Artie, I know it's something that you preach toler
Junior's that constant balance of technique versus execution.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Watch TV and always.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Remember, it's going to be very, very hard for you
to do what Scotti Schefler does unless you're six foot
four and you have his body. You can't climb inside
a tour player's body, right, It's going to be very
hard for you to emulate a swing position that you're
watching on television. Yes, I have golf swings that I
(50:29):
love watching by Tommy Fleetwood's got one of the golf swings.
I love watching. Adam Scott has one of the golf
swings I love watching, right, But I also love watching
Bubba Watson's golf swing. I also love watching Scotti Scheffler's
golf swing because there's nobody right now that I see
on YouTube trying to teach Scotti Scheffler footwork, trying to
(50:51):
teach the Scotty Scheffler position at the top of the backswing.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
But take the things that you can take away from
tour players and how to players play the game when
you're watching it on TV. Yes, marvel at the golf swings,
Marvel at the speed, Marvel at the slow motion stuff,
Marvel at the data that they give you on how
far and ball speed and stuff like that. But hyper
(51:17):
focus on how they're playing the game, how they're hitting
their shots, where they're hitting their shots, and then work
backwards and try and say, Okay, what can I take
from what I just watched and now apply it to
my own game.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
I can have a perfect pre shot routine. I can
have really good prepared planning.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
I can try and par all the par fives. I
can try and not miss any of the greens on
the par threes. I can really try as a strategy
today to miss no greens from inside of one hundred
and twenty yards. I could really try and say, Okay,
if I get out of position off the tee, I
(52:00):
make bogie eighty percent of the time.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Today.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
You're if you're a ten to twenty handicapper, you're gonna
hit bad shots, You're gonna make bad swings.
Speaker 3 (52:09):
You're gonna have maybe one perfect shot a week. But
you can have multiple perfect prep pre shots planning for
each shot every time. Really good stuff, Ryan, That's good
and as long too. You've got your new kind of
Instagram site, give it to us golf khouse Manage, yep.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
Golf Chaos Manage, which you're using some AI stuff to
just kind of talk about this execution part of golf
as opposed to the technique side of golf.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
Yeah, they're basically AI enhanced drills and games you can
take to the course that are also physical as well.
So there's there's a component to our coaching now where
we have a kind of a high intensity activity before
we execute some sort of finessed shot if you will,
like a fifty box stumps in a row, then got
and putt. So we're trying to elevate our heart rates
(53:01):
and physiological responses, right, because that's what's happening on the
golf course. So you've got a practice and like you playing.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
And I think if you're trying to execute better at golf.
Chaos managed at Instagram some really cool stuff.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
Thanks Arsie.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
As always, it's the Son of a Butcher podcast. We
will see you next week.
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For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.