October 25, 2023 • 47 mins
In this episode, Amanda explores the fascinating world of palmistry with Vernon Mahabal, founder of the Palmistry Institute in Los Angeles!
Vernon is a renowned palmistry expert who has given thousands of readings, various lectures, and authored four books on palm reading, including his latest, “Talk To The Hand”.
Amanda and Vernon share insights on tapping into our internal guidance with intuition and how studying our palms can connect with the deepest aspects of our souls!
Topics include:
- The history of palmistry
- How palmistry can help us understand our passion and purpose in life
- The overlap between astrology and palmistry: how our hands are like astrological charts, with the lines in our hands relating to houses, signs, and planets
- The human goal of self-realization & how to recognize dormant forces within us
- Plus - can your hand really tell you if you’re going to have a long or short life?
Get curious, inspired, and empowered!
Book a palm reading with Vernon: https://palmistryinstitute.com/
Check out “Talk To The Hand” by Vernon Mahabal HERE
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hi everyone, it's Amanda Rieger Green. Welcome to Soul Sessions today.
I have an exciting guest, Vernon Mahabel. Vernon is a
palmistry expert, founder and director of the Palmistry Institute in
Los Angeles. He's given thousands of readings various lectures. He's
also authored four books on palmistry. His latest book being
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Talked to the Hand, which is very cheeky double on Tandra.
I love that Vernon contributes his expertise in a variety
of ways. He shows up in interviews, contributes and really
is paving the way to bring this ancient science of
palmistry in an accessible way and an informed way into
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our hands, so to speak, into our hands. So, without
further ado, welcome.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Thank you, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I'm excited. Will you. Will you start out by telling
us about the history of palmistry. I know it's an
ancient science, but what are its roots? Where are the
origins of palmistry?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Oh, that's a great question. The origins of palmistry are
millions of years old, actually a little bit more updated.
The earliest palmistry text is dated to three thousand and
one Herd of BC and that's called the host samoud
Krshastra in Sanskrit, and it's the scripture from India, and
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it was written by a great sage named Garga Rishi.
And this is the earliest text on palmistry that we
can find, so it's about five thousand years old, and
that was the first text that was actually written down,
so that's five thousand years old. Samuda Kashastra means the
science of understanding the hand through a astrology. Samudacras actually
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means a sacred science. So the ancient cultures actually saw
palmistry and astrology as very necessitous to societies and civilizations,
culture and upkeep really. But as long as human beings
have been on the planet, palmistry has been around. So fact,
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Western astrology was brought down by a great sage in
Rishi named shukadave Goswami, and he taught the Western aspects
of astrology. So sometimes it's kind of, you know, given
to humanity. Sometimes human beings we kind of research it
and figure it out as we go along. But it's
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always been part of the culture of great civilizations Egyptians, Greeks, Romans,
and then of course going back to the incomes and
the olmets and the great societies. They all revered astrology
and palmistry.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Wow, thank you for that. How did you get how
did you get interested in Palma Street? Where was the
knock on the door and the answer for you to
respond to that calling?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Interestingly, I saw a book in high school when I
was seventeen years old on Palma Street, and I started
reading it, and I started I was actually very intrigued
by it. And I was in Maryland at the time
in high school, and I was reading different people and
my friends would say, hey, just stick to baseball. They
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thought I was a little crazy. But I kept.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Reading it and I kept being intrigued by it.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I thought it was very interesting. At the same time,
I was very very involved in the rock and roll world.
I was doing sound for bands, I was roadying, I
was booking gigs for bands, and at the same time
I was reading the hands of all these like rock
and roll people.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
And probably blowing their minds. I would say, I'm most
certain that when you do readings, people say wow, how
did you know that? And you say, well, this line
connects here, and so I'm sure you know, really astounding
people with what's defined on their poems and also in
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their hearts and souls.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
No. Absolutely. In fact, I've had many rock and roll
people over the years just ask me what kind of
music should I go into?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
What's my genre? And of course, you know, will I
be famous that type of thing.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
And I actually kind of got sick of the business
world of music, but I always kept my door open
to read hands and it just became my passion. So
that's actually my goal to help other people to find
their passion. I found my passion. I love what I do, and.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
My goal is to help other people to understand what
they're born to do.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yes, and you do that a lot through Palmistry Institute,
where you host space for students of palmistry to go
out and carry on this work, much like astrologers.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Absolutely, my goal as a palmist or as a director
of the Palmistry Institute is to bring a credibility to
this very dignified science.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
As I said, it's been used in the ancient world
for thousands and thousands, millions of years really, and it's
only in the United States that palmistry and astrology have
not been given the credibility that are in other countries.
In fact, even in Europe. Europe has a culture of
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astrology and palmistry and psychic ability. Of course, so does
India and Tibet like that. So the Eastern World and
Europe have a culture of these dignified sciences. So my
institute exists to bring that credibility to America.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Absolutely, and thank you for paving the way and also
debunking some of the superficiality around it. Oh it's Halloween,
let's get my palm red you know, I mean, because
there is that element, but you're taking it deeper. You're
revitalizing its ancient origins. But in our Western culture where
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we may not understand it, and a lot of things
that we don't understand, you know, are great opportunities for
us to get curious. And I think so many of
our listeners will be curious today. So let's start in
diving into the hands by talking about the correlation between
astrology and the palm, the fingers. What is the overlaps?
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How do those two create a dialogue?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
You know? Interestingly enough, I remember when I started this
process of learning palmistry, and say the middle to the
late eighties. Sometimes I would be at a party or
somebody would ask me, Oh, what do you do for
a living, And I would say, I'm a palmist and
most of the most of the responses was what's that?
And when I would explain it, I would say, well,
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you know, it's like being an astrologer, and people would say, oh,
you make a living from that. But absolutely after two thousand,
the year of two thousand and especially after twenty and twelve,
astrology and palmistry have become mainstream. Now if I say, oh,
I'm a palmist, people will say, I want to get
my hand read. I want to know what my future is.
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That type of thing. So palmistry and numerology, astrology, all
these psychic sciences have become mainstream. So people are looking
to these metaphysical sciences to try to understand who they
are because there is now a resurgence of spiritual movement
in our culture in America. And I love what I'm seeing.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yes, me too, because I find it for me personally.
And Stephen Forrest talked about how Carl Jung would want
someone's natal data, their birth chart before he accepted them
as a patient, because it was part of how he
could treat them, how he could psychoanalyze them to show up.
And I know for me personally today, if I have
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a therapist or a counselor and they have knowledge of
any ancient tradition, be it numerology, palmistry, astrology, I know
that they're going to be able to look at into
the deep aspects of my soul and then my current
situation and help me to navigate looking at where my
opportunities are, where my roadblocks are, where my destiny is,
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and how I can better fulfill that destiny and find happiness,
find meaning. And that ultimately comes back to what so
many people are searching for right now is meaning, this
element of why am I here? What is my purpose?
And what does it all matter? So there's this deep
seeking and searching, and tools like palmistry, ancient tools, are
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these beautiful support systems to help reveal ourselves and heal
ourselves to be able to evolve and also just create happiness.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
It is true this human form of life is ultimately
meant for self realization. That's the goal of this human
form of life. It's very rare to get a human body.
We may see that there's six billion people on this planet,
but there may be six billion entities on our front lawn.
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So the human form of life on this planet is
there for self realization. It's there for China to understand
what is my purpose in life? Who is God? And
the ancient Vedas and the book that most people are
familiar with with the Vedas is the Bagavigida, and the
Bagavigida states that this human form of life is meant
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for inquiring about the purpose of life. It's called in
Sanskrit a tato brama jignashia. It means in Sanskrit, okay,
I have a human form of life after many billions
of births in this material world? What am I doing here?
What's the purpose of life? That then one becomes a
human being. Otherwise, if someone does not inquire a tato
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Brahma jignashia, then it would have been better for them
to be an animal, because an animal can eat better,
sleep better, made better. But the human form of life
is meant ultimately for God realization, and that's what we're
here for. And these sciences such as palmistry, astrology, numerology,
they can help us to understand the real goal into
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ultimately living our life purpose at ultimately becoming free from
this material tabernacle. Christ said once, live in the world,
but don't be of it. And that's really what will
make us happy. Well, will make us happy is to
live our life purpose in the material world, but not
be attached to this material world. And we're happy when
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we're free from lust and greed and envy and anger.
That's when we're happy. When the soul is free from
the desires to overtly enjoy this material world, they become humble,
they become tolerant, they become merciful, and that's when we
become alive. We don't become alive by having a lot
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of you know, too much money, a lot of sex,
a lot of drugs. We don't become happy that way.
We become happy by devotion, giving service to others, being
of service to others, giving our love. There's a Sanskrit
verse that says n nityaam chat us chaten onam. It
means that love has nothing, nothing to take, it only
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has to give. Our soul is composed of what's called
in Sanskrit satshit ananda. It means that we're eternal, we're
full of knowledge, and we're happy. We're always joyful. And
when we're in that position, we will have no suffering,
and then we'll only want to give to others. And
that's that our soul is not just a ball of energy.
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We have a form. We have an eternal form, and
that eternal form is completely composed of devotion and love.
And that's the ultimate goal of astrology and palmistry to
point someone in the direction of how to give up
the desire to become attached to this material world.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yes, and you know, and then as you're speaking, I'm
also thinking of Buddhism the middle way, the alleviation of
suffering or craving and aversion and finding that middle way,
which is this freedom and wearing the world like a
loose garment, you know, in the world, but not of
the world, and that can take lifetimes to attain. But
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these kind of tools can help us to progress, to advance,
to find that freedom, that love, that all conscious, expansive,
unconditional love that we get in those mystical transcendent moments,
and ground it in to become more substantial, more regular,
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anyway you want to look at it. So tell me,
let's dive into astrology and palmistry and what we see
in the hands. I know you have images of my hands,
and I know my natal astrology quite well, but I
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can imagine there's some correlations. But go ahead and give
us some examples, and you're welcome to use my hands
as an example, or however you see fit.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Well, you know you're holding up your hands like this.
And I always like to tell my students when I'm
giving a lecture that actually people don't even know, even
astrologers don't really know that palmistry is a brother or
a sister to astrology. When I'm looking at a hand,
I'm looking at an astrological charts. All the signs and
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symbols relate to the houses, relate to the signs, and
of course the planets. And I always like to say that, actually,
if you look at your fingers, we have twelve segments
on our fingers, three on each finger, twelve and together,
and those are the signs aries, Tarist, Gemini, cancer, Leo
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Werger like that. So just on our fingers are signs,
and of course on the palm itself, the palm proper,
these are where the planets are.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
And so the fingers, the four fingers, not the thumb,
the four fingers, and the three segments in each of them,
three times four is twelve. That space you're referring to.
Those correlate with the house systems, and then the palm
correlates with the planets exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And at the same time, I want everybody to hold
up their hands like this, keep the fingers close together,
and kind of look at them. Look at your palm
with your in front. Which finger is the longest between
the index finger, we're only looking at the index finger,
and we're only looking at the ring finger. And if
you hold up your hands like this in front of
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your face and you hold them straight, put them down
on a table so that they're straight. Which finger is
longest one of these two fingers, either the index finger
or the ring finger, will be longer. So the index
finger in astrology is also ruled by Jupiter, the planet
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of Jupiter, and the ring finger is ruled by the
planet of the Sun. And if your Jupiter finger or
your index finger is longer than the finger, it means
that the Jupiter energies are stronger, which means that you
like growth in the world. Sometimes you may be ambitious,
sometimes you maybe be very goal oriented, but you want
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control over your environment and your surroundings. If it's very long.
You're a leader. You not only want control over your
environment and surroundings, but sometimes you can control other people
in a good way. You could be a director, delegator,
or you could be a boss or a CEO. And
that's why, Yes, when we point to people.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Finger like a school marm atrad.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I want you to do this. This is the finger
of power, influence, and authority. Jupiter just like Zeus. His
planet is Jupiter, so he's the king of the dots.
So the king is the ruler. So when we're pointing,
we're saying, I want to have control over this situation.
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So if our Jupiter finger are inde this finger is
longer than our ring finger, it means that we are
happy when we feel some influencer control over our environment
or our surroundings. We feel happy when we're able to
have autonomy. We don't like people breathing down our neck
telling us what to do. It doesn't mean we have
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to be a CEO, but at least we have to
work in a department where they leave us alone and
we can create our own niche.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
And what about the converse of that, what if the
ring finger, If the ring.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Finger is longer, then you're going to see this on
people like your Ozzy Osbourne's on the State and screen.
I always like to say that the sun finger or
the ring finger, is the finger of fulfillment. The most
important thing about the ring finger being longer is that
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a person would rather have self expression than just being
in charge or in control. So we see a longer
ringing on people that want a career that gives them
inner fulfillment or outer fulfillment, or they want popularity. So
we do see it on people who are artists, musicians, dancers, etc. Etc.
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So self expression in a sense is more important than
financial gain. And why because the sun reflects the idea
of self expression. When we open the window in the morning,
when we see the sun, it's like, look at me,
look at me. So a long ring finger will give
a person attention. And sometimes we see the ring finger
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almost rivaling the middle finger like this. And when it's
like this, this is a person who has a ton
of charisma and magnetism. They're just attention getners. So I
always tell by students that sometimes in the world of music,
the musicians have the longer ring finger, and their lawyers
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and managers have the longer Jupiter finger.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Makes sense. And when you understand that and then you
marry it with your personality and what you strive for,
the circles that you surround yourself, the career that you've chosen.
Maybe it may not be your destiny or the one
that's your finding fulfillment, but looking at those attributes can
start to create clarity around your development and where we're going.
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My index fingers are longer than my ring fingers, but
all of that tracks for me and makes sense.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I do you're very goal oriented. Yeah, yeah, you're not materialistic.
You're very very much a visionary. Your hand says you're
very much a visionary, but you're also a practical visionary.
Your hand says that you're very humanitarian. You have a
great compassion for people. You like to go to sleep
knowing that somebody helped the world. You read somebody read
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about somebody that helped the world or heal the world.
So you have this inner desire to help people to
move into greater self aware farness. Yet the ceremony of
opposites in your hand is really interesting because at the
same time, you're very practical, you're very organized, you're very
good at making things move forward. So you're the practical
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visionary and that's very rare.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Thank you for that, because I know in my heart
and soul I'm a humanitarian. I want to move the
ball forward in humanity. And I love it when people's
light up and are astounded with their innate abilities. There's
nothing that brings me more joy, energy and synergy. But
when somebody realizes, oh my gosh, this makes so much sense. Yes,
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I feel good, Yes, this is what I want to do. Yes,
I've got the talent. Whatever that click is that lights
my fire, and it's very personal and yet it's universal,
and so that makes sense. But I remember years ago
in my twenties, I was I was in a review
in a job and I was in healthcare and my
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boss said to me, we were going going through my review.
And I typically know that I do well in leadership roles.
I'm people oriented, I'm inclusive, I encourage people. I knew
those things about me, they were pretty hardwired. But she
said to me, she said, Amanda, one of the things
that you excel out exceptionally is you are extremely organized.
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And I looked. I looked over my shoulder and I thought,
who is she talking to? Does she know how scattered
I am. And I said that to her. I said, Jane,
do you think I'm really organized? She says, exceptionally. So
she said you it's like you conduct an orchestra. You
use all the moving parts and you organize it, but
it's almost poetic. And then when she started to speak
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to me that way and reflect it back, I was like, oh,
I'm organized. I didn't realize it. I didn't recognize that
attribute within myself until someone reflected her.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
An says, Amanda, your hand says that you're very organized.
You're good at planning, structuring, arranging things, and doing things systematically.
So the organization aspects can also be used for delegating
and directing people. It is true venus is in such
a beautiful area for you. And so you're a director
of operations. You're excellent at directing, delegating, You're excellent at
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coordinating people. You are that person who can say, Matilda,
you do this, John, you do this. You're a project organizer,
it says in your hand. You're excellent at organizing events
and of course doing what you're doing, but you are
a people person. You have excellent people skills and one
of your most powerful talents is being able to have
intuition about people. You're quite intuitive about people. You understand
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people very very well, and at the same time you
have an excellent sphere of being able to understand relationships
with people. In fact, you can mix business with pleasure.
You can take people to a restaurant or are a
coffee shop and organize your podc Yes, so you have
tremendous skills in people management and at the same time
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being able to work with people and delegate and direct them.
So it's very powerful. And so this is where your
organizational skills really come to four when you're planning and
structuring your projects or an event.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, and it makes it very much tracks and makes sense,
you know, as I better understand myself and my talents
and where I can delegate, where I can trust. Let
me ask you this. One of the things that I
know comes up for people when we think about palms.
We think about the lines on our hand and typical palmistry. Oh,
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I have this lifeline and it's very short, or you know,
there's a I don't I don't know all the jargon,
but I think about just the gener'.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
It's the I hear this all the time that, oh
my lifeline breaks, am I going to die early? And
actually the lifeline and that is this line that it
curves around the ball of the thumb, and it's commonly
called the lifeline, but it has absolutely nothing to do
with the length of life. It's the second chakra, and
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in palmistry, it has everything to do with relationships and
how many kids you're going to have. So it's it's
very misread and I'd have to say very few palmis
really understand what the lines have to do with. In
my opinion, that the lines are not that important. I
read the shape of the hand, I read the fingerprints.
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The fingerprints are one of the biggest aspects of palmistry.
In fact, all your entire life purpose is found in
the fingerprints, your last lives and and your talents and
abilities are found in the in the fingerprints.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Wow, that's so fascinating.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Lines are not really that important. Rands are not that important,
are okay?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
So the lines are correlated with the energy systems in
our body. Yeah, the fingers, which we all know that
no two fingerprints are alike, even on exactly identical twins,
No two fingerprints are alike. And our fingerprints do not change,
you know, unless something traumatic happens, obviously, But the fingerprints
don't change over time, do they vernon?
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Never? No? Never, never.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
So as far as a reading goes, different parts of
our hands can change, as far as the depth of
the lines or the shape of the lines a little bit.
Do the hands change over time when we, let's say,
evolve past some karma or grow through some karma, speak
to that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Absolutely, the details change, but the principles do not change.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
In other words, details change, the principles do not got.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
So, for instance, if someone is going to become an architect,
you can tell on their hand when they're three years old.
If she's going to become an architect or an interior
decorator or designer. The details may change, for instance, she
may take you know, five years to get to that career,
but the principles our destiny does not change. And this
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is why sometimes lines do change, but fingerprints don't change,
because our entire life purpose is in our fingerprints, and
we can see that on the hands that actually we've
had many, many billions of lives in this material world,
and we only need to see two or three lives
to figure out where a person needs to go into
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this life because life is simply a continuum. We're not
this body. We are spiritual souls. This body is simply
a dress. And you know, every eighty ninety hundred years
we got a new dress. We are spiritual souls. We
have nothing to do with this body. We're just in it.
And Martin Luther King said it really well. He said
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we should look at the content of one's character and
we would say, in the New Age world, our consciousness
is our consciousness advance. You see, if we operate on
the fact that we are pure spiritual souls, then will
love people, will give them our care. We would see
a completely different world. If people realize we're not this body,
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people would act completely differently. But because people are thinking
that their body, then what becomes important lust breed envy, avarice.
Attachment to this world is what brings envy. You see.
So these sciences like homistry and astrology can help people
to go back to what is their life purpose, what
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are they born to do? And ultimately how to become loving,
how to become merciful, how to become tolerant, how to
become tolerant.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
On the hand, where do you find some of the
information about what someone is born to do their destiny,
and then also how to become loving. Like you know,
I'm very curious. I'm like, okay, how I am a
loving being? But I can also be snarky and angry,
you know, jutmental because I don't tell me, Like, so
where do I find that? I mean, obviously venus, you
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know there's attributes with that, But give me some examples
of how you read that in a poem.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
That's such a beautiful question. As an astrologer will tell you,
nothing is seen in isolation, just like, for instance, sometimes
that a person's son isn't cancer, but that doesn't mean they're,
you know, always going to do the things that cancerrians do.
There's twelve signs, there's twelve planets, there's twelve houses, and
of course there's hundreds of fixed signs and nac chatras,
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and there's asteroids, and in the Vedic system, there's so
many other different spheres. So the idea is nothing is
seen in isolation. Everything is looked at in relationship to
everything else. And then you have the science of the earth, water, fire, air, mind, intelligence, ego.
And then even deeper than that is when you're looking
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at the subtle body, the mind, the intelligence, and then
even deeper than that is to look at the soul,
which has absolutely nothing to do with this material the world,
and the soul is seen right in the center of
the hand. But of course the soul is sending its
message through the entirety of the hand. Where do you
find this? You have to look at everything, and sometimes
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it takes about you know, for a seasoned astrologer or
a promise, it could take in like an hour to
look at everything. But nothing again is looked at in isolation.
Everything is looked in relationship to everything else. And at
the same time, the goal of what we want to
do is help people to find out, Hey, what am
I born to do? What direction do I go into?
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How can I love my career so that I can
give that love to other people and do something good
for people. You know, as they say, if you enjoy
what you're doing, you'll never work a day in your life.
And so the idea is when people enjoy their career
and love their careers, they tend to want to help
people and give back, and you know, to quote Tony Robbins,
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the goal is to awaken the giant within and when
we can do that, then we start wanting to give
back to people. We start wanting to bring out our
care and our emotions and our romanticism about how life
can be rather than how can I take more? You see? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
And so I love that the hands are hands which
we use daily and that are precious. We use for
heavy lifting, we use to brush our teeth, for writing,
for eating. They are such an integral part to our
human framework. But they also are really this extension of
our purpose and our meaning. Let me ask you this,
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you know, and the right and the left side of
the body, of course connecting with the hemispheres of the brain,
the left hand connecting with the right hemisphere, and right
hand connecting with the left hemisphere. What do you find
in correlations with the left and the right hand hemispheres
of the brain and the hand? So the intuitive versus
the more organized in logistical is that track with palmistry?
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What do you find in correlations with the left and
the right hemispheres of the brain and the hand? So
the intuitive versus the more organized in logistical is that
track with palmistry?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Absolutely, the right hand deals with the left brain and
vice versa. So I look to the left hand to
see a person, person's emotions, their feelings, it's the inner self.
The left hand has everything to do with the right brain.
So the left hand talks about a person's inner life,
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who they are when they're by themselves. It talks about
their deepest emotions, their deepest feelings, what their desires are,
what their inner needs are. It's kind of like in
westda astrology. Vedic astrologies based on the moon. So Vedic
astrology is very much about the inner self, and this
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more spirituality. Western astrologies based on the sun, so it
tends to be more outer or outer directed. And so
I look to the right hand, which is based on
the left brain. I look at this hand to see
what is a person's career, how do other people see
this person? How do they move forward in this life?
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So there's both on both on either hands, but generally
in the technical way, the right hand deals with our
outside world, our outer self, and the left hand deals
with our inner self. And it's the same for a
left handed person. The interesting thing about left handed people
is that they hear immediately their intuitions, and they tend
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to run with their intuitions a lot more than us
right handeds right handers. We tend to get intuitions or
inspirations or instincts, and we tend to put them through
the ringer of logic and reason.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
We RAN's extra So it's a laughing I am. I
am left handed hand right with I write with my
left hand. I play all your sports with my okay, so,
and I play all my sports with my right hand.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
If you're ambidextrous, the hand that you write with tends
to be the hand that you really are.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Got it.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
The interesting thing is, I want to I want to
go back to what you were saying about hands before,
because actually, our soul, our spiritual soul, is situated in
the innermost core of our hearts. According to the Bugavigita,
the soul is one ten thousands the size of the
tip of a hair when it's in this material world.
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So that means if we cut a tip of a
hair in one hundred pieces, and we cut one of
those pieces into another hundred pieces, that's the size of
the soul. But this soul, it's so powerful that it
creates our life. But it's especially speaks through our hands.
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When people have life, when people have positive energy, when
people are trying, you know, they love their passion of
what they're doing. They'll use their hands. People that are
much more cautious and careful they keep their hands like this,
or they keep them in the back, or they keep
them in the pockets when talking to people. So a
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very optimistic and positive person will always be using their hands.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Someone I talk with my hands. I have since I
came out onto the planet. I'm expressive. Yeah, I'm animated.
It's you know, and I've also learned to find time
where I'm more reserved and I can pull back and
it's not inauthentic, but more naturally, I am expressive, and
it's pretty obvious in my nature and my personality.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Well, of course, yes, exactly. And we find that when
we're in our rooms by ourselves and we're just doing
our stuff, we keep our hands close to ourselves. But
when we're dealing with people, if a person is optimistic
and positive, they will always be expressive with their hands.
Sometimes you'll see that people who speak with their hands
like this they tend to be very exuberant, and people
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who speak with their hands close or like this, they
tend to be more cautious and careful in their words.
And how they spook. But yes, our hands are a
reflection of our soul. And Susan Palmas can just tell
by looking at someone's hands a lot about their character
and a lot about their nature.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Well, you nailed me with the humanitarian aspect and then
the visionary, but the practical visionary that's very much at
my essence and in my core. What I know today
feels aligned and when I'm in my joy, when I'm
in my highest expression, and also there's peace, there's joy
and peace combined. It's just infinite. There's an infinite experience
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that happens with that.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
And your hand shows that when you are working cooperatively
with other people, you're in your element. You feel so happy.
Your hand shows that from a previous life, if you
had excellent relationships with people, and you enjoy working with people,
and that's why in this life you just love to
network with people and talk to people, and so you
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have incredible people's skills. So you're at your best when
you're just like your podcast, it's directed towards people. But ultimately,
what do you want to do? You want to elevate
people's consciousness, you want to uplift them. You see, so
you've got the practical aspects and then you've got the
idealistic visionary aspects.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Wonderful and it's fun and it's fun to feel good.
And are there things in my hand? I know, you
know that show that movement in the right direction? You know,
are there things that indicate or lines in the hand
that say, yes, you're right where you're supposed to be
or you're headed in the right direction.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Absolutely, And that's what a promise. We'll look at. We'll
look at the talents and abilities that a person has,
and of course we'll look at are they achieving them?
Are they doing it? And if they're not, what's holding
them back? Many times we see that people are you know,
there is a video that my son was looking at
a few years ago. It said human beings are awesome
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and it showed people who are on skateboards doing stuff
and all kinds of interest and stuff, and I said,
you know, this is really what I see in people's hands.
People are amazing. People are just incredibly gifted. But our
society waiglays us from bringing out these talents and abilities.
So we're operating at you know, I use the term
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one tenth of one percent. We're operating at such a
small level of what we're able to do. And so
when an astrologer or a palmis seized people's hands and
what they're able to do, our job is to sometimes
just give them positive reinforcement that hey, you can do it.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yes, astounding people with their innate abilities. And when you're talking,
I think of that potentially quote, you know, from Tanjui.
When we're inspired by some great purpose, some extraordinary purpose,
thoughts break their bonds. Our mind transcends limitations, our consciousness
expands in every direction. That's what comes to mind.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
And that Norman Vincent Peel once said, he said what
the mind can conceive, one can achieve yes, And Sheila
Probudd said impossible is a word and a fool's dictionist.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I love that the palm and palmistry can speak to
igniting these dormant forces. It's inspiring someone's meeting, helping them recognize,
they can ask questions, they can get curious, they can
be skeptical. It's remembering to do that, you know, Vernon,
I think about GPS and how we're so many of
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us and you know, over the years have been conditioned
to just put it in a GPS coordinate rather than
stopping and asking somebody for directions, yeah, or using our
intuition and you know what, I know it's over this way,
and it's on so and so street. Let me head
that way, and if I get thrown off, I'll stop
and ask somebody, or maybe I'll pull it up in
my phone. And I do that all the time.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
For my cognition, our humanness, our.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Humanists, and our curiosity, our ability to use our internal map,
our internal our Internet, our guidance system. And when that
stuff comes back, our brains start firing and wiring. So
I often play games. I do that stuff spontaneously and
on purpose because I know that it's engaging me, it's
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grounding me, it's activating me. And I love that The
palms again speak to one of these amazing resources, these
ancient wisdoms that are accessible as a tool to ignite
and inspire our destiny, our meaning, evolve our purpose, which
hopefully which hopefully for me. You know, Vernon comes back
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to the humanitarian of if there's enough of us doing
this and doing the work, we can raise consciousness. We
can create effective sustainable change for this brave new world.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Absolutely, and if a person gets a reading by a
qualified astrologer or promise. If a palmis looks at someone's hand,
they're actually looking into the deepest, deepest aspects of a
person's metaphysical spheres, their soul. And when a person gets
a reading, they feel empowered. They feel wow, I'm bigger
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than this, you know, interestingly enough, I would say this
happens at ninety percent of the time. I'll tell somebody, oh, well,
you know, maybe they could be forty years old, fifty
years old, I don't know, thirty years old, and I'll say,
you know what, you should be an arborist, or you
should have been an arborist, or you know, you should
have worked with trees or plants. And somebody will say,
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that's what I wanted to do after high school, but
my parents talk me out of it, or the high
school guidance councilor said I wouldn't make any money or
they You know, so, we know inherently what we want.
Our intuition tells us this, and if we were to
get validation from an qualified astrologer or palmist, then that
person will feel empowered to do it, say hey, I
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love my career, I love what I'm here to do,
and I feel a connection with God and everybody around me.
You see. So the palmist's job and the astrologer's job
is to bring out our individual identity, to bring out
our talents and our abilities. It's said in the Baghavigda,
Christiana tells our Juna that there may be billions and
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billions and trillions and billions of souls, but each soul
is loved by the supreme Creator, the supreme personality of Godhead,
and each one of us has a service to humanity
and God that nobody could replace. We are irreplaceable. Even
though there's billions of souls, We're irreplaceable, and we're completely
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love by God and the gods completely. We're irreplaceable.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
If we're and that we're unique. Each one of us
is unique, unique and unique. We are unique. And when
we when we touch, when we see or recognize, and
I love that word recognized, because literally, when we recognize,
you know, our uniqueness, it makes it real, It makes
it reachable or inspirational, whatever whatever resonates. But there's something
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about touching our uniqueness and knowing it and trusting it
and then wanting to grow it, and then not even
that wanting to share it with other people.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
That's why God and the Goddess created us. They created
us because we have a uniqueness and an individuality where
we can give a specific type of our loving to
them and they can give to us, so we can
give to others. In other words, love is individual. The
way you show love to different people can never be
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replaced by anyone else. It's unique. Your ways of loving
someone or anybody is unique. It can never be duplicated.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
So love is like a signature. It's like a love
is like a signature. And and together with all of
those signatures, it can perpetuate the exactly evolution of consciousness,
of humanity, of the multiverse, whatever, all and and and
infinitely beyond.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
And the soul expresses its individuality through the agency of
the hands. And that's why you, as you were saying earlier,
even we have ten fingerprints, none of these fingerprints are identicy,
but to speak of the billions of other fingerprints. So
love this So individuality is a sign of the soul.
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The soul is an individual entity. And once we understand
our true identity, then we're unstoppable.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Yes, And that is that element of the recognition of
our uniqueness, our true identity, and then you know, create
almost seeking, searching, craving more of that to become more whole,
to remember, to really remember our essence who we are.
That that string that you talked about in the heart,
that tiny string. Coming back to that tiny string. Let
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me ask you this one question in closing, especially for
the audience. Are there exercises that we can do with
the hands? You know, say we want to express our leadership,
or we want to become more grounded, don't, I don't
know whatever? Are there exercises you can do with the
hands through palmistry that you could share with us that
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that might be helpful for.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Let's say a person is going through quandary or indecision.
You're thinking should I do this, or should I do that?
Or what should I do? Take the left hand, which
is rule by the right brain, which is the brain
of intuition and inspiration and instinct, and bring it to
the heart and then ask a question, should I do this,
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should I do that? Or what should I do? Sometimes
even take the right hand and put it like this.
It's the same thing. If we're also going through a
period of not just quandary or indecision, but we just
want to connect more with others or life, or we
just want to balance ourselves. Just like in the prayer,
we bring the two hands together. And we were talking
about this earlier. Well, this is the right hand and
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the right brain in the left hand. We're bringing this together.
This is the prayer. Why does every religious system hold
in this idea together of these two hands, because this
is bringing the two brains together, and it's a harmonizing,
it's a balance, and it's very very powerful.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Thank you. That's so helpful as far as remembering that
at any given time when we are in dress or
stress or in decision, it's just come back to the
heart and bring the hands to the heart or bring
the hands palms together to come into sinistry or cohesion.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yes, yes, it's.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
As simple as that, and it's accessible. But that the
hands speak, the hands have a language, and they're connected
to our innermost being, our unique innermost being. Vernon, this
has been fascinating and illuminating and practical, which I am
excited for people to dive in more. I know they
can check out your books. They can also find you
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at the Palmistry Institute.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yeah, Palmistry Institute dot com.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Palmis Street Institute dot com. And you do readings, you
do palmistry sessions, you act.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
That's all I do.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
That's all you do. So they can find you through
your website and book an appointment. Yes that's the best way.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Yes, my website Palmistry Institute dot com has my email
and it has my phone number.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
Amazing. So everyone now you know how to reach out.
And I hope you enjoyed this episode. It piqued your
curiosity and also you saw a glimmer of your soul,
your unique soul, and are curious to build more, grow more.
Thanks take care of everyone,
Hi everyone, it's Amanda Rieger Green. Welcome to Soul Sessions today.
I have an exciting guest, Vernon Mahabel. Vernon is a
palmistry expert, founder and director of the Palmistry Institute in
Los Angeles. He's given thousands of readings various lectures. He's
also authored four books on palmistry. His latest book being
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Talked to the Hand, which is very cheeky double on Tandra.
I love that Vernon contributes his expertise in a variety
of ways. He shows up in interviews, contributes and really
is paving the way to bring this ancient science of
palmistry in an accessible way and an informed way into
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our hands, so to speak, into our hands. So, without
further ado, welcome.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Thank you, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I'm excited. Will you. Will you start out by telling
us about the history of palmistry. I know it's an
ancient science, but what are its roots? Where are the
origins of palmistry?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Oh, that's a great question. The origins of palmistry are
millions of years old, actually a little bit more updated.
The earliest palmistry text is dated to three thousand and
one Herd of BC and that's called the host samoud
Krshastra in Sanskrit, and it's the scripture from India, and
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it was written by a great sage named Garga Rishi.
And this is the earliest text on palmistry that we
can find, so it's about five thousand years old, and
that was the first text that was actually written down,
so that's five thousand years old. Samuda Kashastra means the
science of understanding the hand through a astrology. Samudacras actually
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means a sacred science. So the ancient cultures actually saw
palmistry and astrology as very necessitous to societies and civilizations,
culture and upkeep really. But as long as human beings
have been on the planet, palmistry has been around. So fact,
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Western astrology was brought down by a great sage in
Rishi named shukadave Goswami, and he taught the Western aspects
of astrology. So sometimes it's kind of, you know, given
to humanity. Sometimes human beings we kind of research it
and figure it out as we go along. But it's
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always been part of the culture of great civilizations Egyptians, Greeks, Romans,
and then of course going back to the incomes and
the olmets and the great societies. They all revered astrology
and palmistry.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Wow, thank you for that. How did you get how
did you get interested in Palma Street? Where was the
knock on the door and the answer for you to
respond to that calling?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Interestingly, I saw a book in high school when I
was seventeen years old on Palma Street, and I started
reading it, and I started I was actually very intrigued
by it. And I was in Maryland at the time
in high school, and I was reading different people and
my friends would say, hey, just stick to baseball. They
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thought I was a little crazy. But I kept.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Reading it and I kept being intrigued by it.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I thought it was very interesting. At the same time,
I was very very involved in the rock and roll world.
I was doing sound for bands, I was roadying, I
was booking gigs for bands, and at the same time
I was reading the hands of all these like rock
and roll people.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
And probably blowing their minds. I would say, I'm most
certain that when you do readings, people say wow, how
did you know that? And you say, well, this line
connects here, and so I'm sure you know, really astounding
people with what's defined on their poems and also in
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their hearts and souls.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
No. Absolutely. In fact, I've had many rock and roll
people over the years just ask me what kind of
music should I go into?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
What's my genre? And of course, you know, will I
be famous that type of thing.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
And I actually kind of got sick of the business
world of music, but I always kept my door open
to read hands and it just became my passion. So
that's actually my goal to help other people to find
their passion. I found my passion. I love what I do, and.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
My goal is to help other people to understand what
they're born to do.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yes, and you do that a lot through Palmistry Institute,
where you host space for students of palmistry to go
out and carry on this work, much like astrologers.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Absolutely, my goal as a palmist or as a director
of the Palmistry Institute is to bring a credibility to
this very dignified science.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
As I said, it's been used in the ancient world
for thousands and thousands, millions of years really, and it's
only in the United States that palmistry and astrology have
not been given the credibility that are in other countries.
In fact, even in Europe. Europe has a culture of
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astrology and palmistry and psychic ability. Of course, so does
India and Tibet like that. So the Eastern World and
Europe have a culture of these dignified sciences. So my
institute exists to bring that credibility to America.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Absolutely, and thank you for paving the way and also
debunking some of the superficiality around it. Oh it's Halloween,
let's get my palm red you know, I mean, because
there is that element, but you're taking it deeper. You're
revitalizing its ancient origins. But in our Western culture where
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we may not understand it, and a lot of things
that we don't understand, you know, are great opportunities for
us to get curious. And I think so many of
our listeners will be curious today. So let's start in
diving into the hands by talking about the correlation between
astrology and the palm, the fingers. What is the overlaps?
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How do those two create a dialogue?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
You know? Interestingly enough, I remember when I started this
process of learning palmistry, and say the middle to the
late eighties. Sometimes I would be at a party or
somebody would ask me, Oh, what do you do for
a living, And I would say, I'm a palmist and
most of the most of the responses was what's that?
And when I would explain it, I would say, well,
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you know, it's like being an astrologer, and people would say, oh,
you make a living from that. But absolutely after two thousand,
the year of two thousand and especially after twenty and twelve,
astrology and palmistry have become mainstream. Now if I say, oh,
I'm a palmist, people will say, I want to get
my hand read. I want to know what my future is.
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That type of thing. So palmistry and numerology, astrology, all
these psychic sciences have become mainstream. So people are looking
to these metaphysical sciences to try to understand who they
are because there is now a resurgence of spiritual movement
in our culture in America. And I love what I'm seeing.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yes, me too, because I find it for me personally.
And Stephen Forrest talked about how Carl Jung would want
someone's natal data, their birth chart before he accepted them
as a patient, because it was part of how he
could treat them, how he could psychoanalyze them to show up.
And I know for me personally today, if I have
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a therapist or a counselor and they have knowledge of
any ancient tradition, be it numerology, palmistry, astrology, I know
that they're going to be able to look at into
the deep aspects of my soul and then my current
situation and help me to navigate looking at where my
opportunities are, where my roadblocks are, where my destiny is,
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and how I can better fulfill that destiny and find happiness,
find meaning. And that ultimately comes back to what so
many people are searching for right now is meaning, this
element of why am I here? What is my purpose?
And what does it all matter? So there's this deep
seeking and searching, and tools like palmistry, ancient tools, are
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these beautiful support systems to help reveal ourselves and heal
ourselves to be able to evolve and also just create happiness.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
It is true this human form of life is ultimately
meant for self realization. That's the goal of this human
form of life. It's very rare to get a human body.
We may see that there's six billion people on this planet,
but there may be six billion entities on our front lawn.
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So the human form of life on this planet is
there for self realization. It's there for China to understand
what is my purpose in life? Who is God? And
the ancient Vedas and the book that most people are
familiar with with the Vedas is the Bagavigida, and the
Bagavigida states that this human form of life is meant
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for inquiring about the purpose of life. It's called in
Sanskrit a tato brama jignashia. It means in Sanskrit, okay,
I have a human form of life after many billions
of births in this material world? What am I doing here?
What's the purpose of life? That then one becomes a
human being. Otherwise, if someone does not inquire a tato
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Brahma jignashia, then it would have been better for them
to be an animal, because an animal can eat better,
sleep better, made better. But the human form of life
is meant ultimately for God realization, and that's what we're
here for. And these sciences such as palmistry, astrology, numerology,
they can help us to understand the real goal into
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ultimately living our life purpose at ultimately becoming free from
this material tabernacle. Christ said once, live in the world,
but don't be of it. And that's really what will
make us happy. Well, will make us happy is to
live our life purpose in the material world, but not
be attached to this material world. And we're happy when
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we're free from lust and greed and envy and anger.
That's when we're happy. When the soul is free from
the desires to overtly enjoy this material world, they become humble,
they become tolerant, they become merciful, and that's when we
become alive. We don't become alive by having a lot
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of you know, too much money, a lot of sex,
a lot of drugs. We don't become happy that way.
We become happy by devotion, giving service to others, being
of service to others, giving our love. There's a Sanskrit
verse that says n nityaam chat us chaten onam. It
means that love has nothing, nothing to take, it only
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has to give. Our soul is composed of what's called
in Sanskrit satshit ananda. It means that we're eternal, we're
full of knowledge, and we're happy. We're always joyful. And
when we're in that position, we will have no suffering,
and then we'll only want to give to others. And
that's that our soul is not just a ball of energy.
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We have a form. We have an eternal form, and
that eternal form is completely composed of devotion and love.
And that's the ultimate goal of astrology and palmistry to
point someone in the direction of how to give up
the desire to become attached to this material world.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yes, and you know, and then as you're speaking, I'm
also thinking of Buddhism the middle way, the alleviation of
suffering or craving and aversion and finding that middle way,
which is this freedom and wearing the world like a
loose garment, you know, in the world, but not of
the world, and that can take lifetimes to attain. But
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these kind of tools can help us to progress, to advance,
to find that freedom, that love, that all conscious, expansive,
unconditional love that we get in those mystical transcendent moments,
and ground it in to become more substantial, more regular,
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anyway you want to look at it. So tell me,
let's dive into astrology and palmistry and what we see
in the hands. I know you have images of my hands,
and I know my natal astrology quite well, but I
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can imagine there's some correlations. But go ahead and give
us some examples, and you're welcome to use my hands
as an example, or however you see fit.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Well, you know you're holding up your hands like this.
And I always like to tell my students when I'm
giving a lecture that actually people don't even know, even
astrologers don't really know that palmistry is a brother or
a sister to astrology. When I'm looking at a hand,
I'm looking at an astrological charts. All the signs and
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symbols relate to the houses, relate to the signs, and
of course the planets. And I always like to say that, actually,
if you look at your fingers, we have twelve segments
on our fingers, three on each finger, twelve and together,
and those are the signs aries, Tarist, Gemini, cancer, Leo
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Werger like that. So just on our fingers are signs,
and of course on the palm itself, the palm proper,
these are where the planets are.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
And so the fingers, the four fingers, not the thumb,
the four fingers, and the three segments in each of them,
three times four is twelve. That space you're referring to.
Those correlate with the house systems, and then the palm
correlates with the planets exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And at the same time, I want everybody to hold
up their hands like this, keep the fingers close together,
and kind of look at them. Look at your palm
with your in front. Which finger is the longest between
the index finger, we're only looking at the index finger,
and we're only looking at the ring finger. And if
you hold up your hands like this in front of
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your face and you hold them straight, put them down
on a table so that they're straight. Which finger is
longest one of these two fingers, either the index finger
or the ring finger, will be longer. So the index
finger in astrology is also ruled by Jupiter, the planet
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of Jupiter, and the ring finger is ruled by the
planet of the Sun. And if your Jupiter finger or
your index finger is longer than the finger, it means
that the Jupiter energies are stronger, which means that you
like growth in the world. Sometimes you may be ambitious,
sometimes you maybe be very goal oriented, but you want
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control over your environment and your surroundings. If it's very long.
You're a leader. You not only want control over your
environment and surroundings, but sometimes you can control other people
in a good way. You could be a director, delegator,
or you could be a boss or a CEO. And
that's why, Yes, when we point to people.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Finger like a school marm atrad.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I want you to do this. This is the finger
of power, influence, and authority. Jupiter just like Zeus. His
planet is Jupiter, so he's the king of the dots.
So the king is the ruler. So when we're pointing,
we're saying, I want to have control over this situation.
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So if our Jupiter finger are inde this finger is
longer than our ring finger, it means that we are
happy when we feel some influencer control over our environment
or our surroundings. We feel happy when we're able to
have autonomy. We don't like people breathing down our neck
telling us what to do. It doesn't mean we have
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to be a CEO, but at least we have to
work in a department where they leave us alone and
we can create our own niche.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
And what about the converse of that, what if the
ring finger, If the ring.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Finger is longer, then you're going to see this on
people like your Ozzy Osbourne's on the State and screen.
I always like to say that the sun finger or
the ring finger, is the finger of fulfillment. The most
important thing about the ring finger being longer is that
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a person would rather have self expression than just being
in charge or in control. So we see a longer
ringing on people that want a career that gives them
inner fulfillment or outer fulfillment, or they want popularity. So
we do see it on people who are artists, musicians, dancers, etc. Etc.
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So self expression in a sense is more important than
financial gain. And why because the sun reflects the idea
of self expression. When we open the window in the morning,
when we see the sun, it's like, look at me,
look at me. So a long ring finger will give
a person attention. And sometimes we see the ring finger
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almost rivaling the middle finger like this. And when it's
like this, this is a person who has a ton
of charisma and magnetism. They're just attention getners. So I
always tell by students that sometimes in the world of music,
the musicians have the longer ring finger, and their lawyers
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and managers have the longer Jupiter finger.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Makes sense. And when you understand that and then you
marry it with your personality and what you strive for,
the circles that you surround yourself, the career that you've chosen.
Maybe it may not be your destiny or the one
that's your finding fulfillment, but looking at those attributes can
start to create clarity around your development and where we're going.
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My index fingers are longer than my ring fingers, but
all of that tracks for me and makes sense.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I do you're very goal oriented. Yeah, yeah, you're not materialistic.
You're very very much a visionary. Your hand says you're
very much a visionary, but you're also a practical visionary.
Your hand says that you're very humanitarian. You have a
great compassion for people. You like to go to sleep
knowing that somebody helped the world. You read somebody read
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about somebody that helped the world or heal the world.
So you have this inner desire to help people to
move into greater self aware farness. Yet the ceremony of
opposites in your hand is really interesting because at the
same time, you're very practical, you're very organized, you're very
good at making things move forward. So you're the practical
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visionary and that's very rare.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Thank you for that, because I know in my heart
and soul I'm a humanitarian. I want to move the
ball forward in humanity. And I love it when people's
light up and are astounded with their innate abilities. There's
nothing that brings me more joy, energy and synergy. But
when somebody realizes, oh my gosh, this makes so much sense. Yes,
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I feel good, Yes, this is what I want to do. Yes,
I've got the talent. Whatever that click is that lights
my fire, and it's very personal and yet it's universal,
and so that makes sense. But I remember years ago
in my twenties, I was I was in a review
in a job and I was in healthcare and my
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boss said to me, we were going going through my review.
And I typically know that I do well in leadership roles.
I'm people oriented, I'm inclusive, I encourage people. I knew
those things about me, they were pretty hardwired. But she
said to me, she said, Amanda, one of the things
that you excel out exceptionally is you are extremely organized.
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And I looked. I looked over my shoulder and I thought,
who is she talking to? Does she know how scattered
I am. And I said that to her. I said, Jane,
do you think I'm really organized? She says, exceptionally. So
she said you it's like you conduct an orchestra. You
use all the moving parts and you organize it, but
it's almost poetic. And then when she started to speak
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to me that way and reflect it back, I was like, oh,
I'm organized. I didn't realize it. I didn't recognize that
attribute within myself until someone reflected her.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
An says, Amanda, your hand says that you're very organized.
You're good at planning, structuring, arranging things, and doing things systematically.
So the organization aspects can also be used for delegating
and directing people. It is true venus is in such
a beautiful area for you. And so you're a director
of operations. You're excellent at directing, delegating, You're excellent at
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coordinating people. You are that person who can say, Matilda,
you do this, John, you do this. You're a project organizer,
it says in your hand. You're excellent at organizing events
and of course doing what you're doing, but you are
a people person. You have excellent people skills and one
of your most powerful talents is being able to have
intuition about people. You're quite intuitive about people. You understand
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people very very well, and at the same time you
have an excellent sphere of being able to understand relationships
with people. In fact, you can mix business with pleasure.
You can take people to a restaurant or are a
coffee shop and organize your podc Yes, so you have
tremendous skills in people management and at the same time
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being able to work with people and delegate and direct them.
So it's very powerful. And so this is where your
organizational skills really come to four when you're planning and
structuring your projects or an event.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, and it makes it very much tracks and makes sense,
you know, as I better understand myself and my talents
and where I can delegate, where I can trust. Let
me ask you this. One of the things that I
know comes up for people when we think about palms.
We think about the lines on our hand and typical palmistry. Oh,
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I have this lifeline and it's very short, or you know,
there's a I don't I don't know all the jargon,
but I think about just the gener'.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
It's the I hear this all the time that, oh
my lifeline breaks, am I going to die early? And
actually the lifeline and that is this line that it
curves around the ball of the thumb, and it's commonly
called the lifeline, but it has absolutely nothing to do
with the length of life. It's the second chakra, and
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in palmistry, it has everything to do with relationships and
how many kids you're going to have. So it's it's
very misread and I'd have to say very few palmis
really understand what the lines have to do with. In
my opinion, that the lines are not that important. I
read the shape of the hand, I read the fingerprints.
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The fingerprints are one of the biggest aspects of palmistry.
In fact, all your entire life purpose is found in
the fingerprints, your last lives and and your talents and
abilities are found in the in the fingerprints.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Wow, that's so fascinating.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Lines are not really that important. Rands are not that important,
are okay?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
So the lines are correlated with the energy systems in
our body. Yeah, the fingers, which we all know that
no two fingerprints are alike, even on exactly identical twins,
No two fingerprints are alike. And our fingerprints do not change,
you know, unless something traumatic happens, obviously, But the fingerprints
don't change over time, do they vernon?
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Never? No? Never, never.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
So as far as a reading goes, different parts of
our hands can change, as far as the depth of
the lines or the shape of the lines a little bit.
Do the hands change over time when we, let's say,
evolve past some karma or grow through some karma, speak
to that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Absolutely, the details change, but the principles do not change.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
In other words, details change, the principles do not got.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
So, for instance, if someone is going to become an architect,
you can tell on their hand when they're three years old.
If she's going to become an architect or an interior
decorator or designer. The details may change, for instance, she
may take you know, five years to get to that career,
but the principles our destiny does not change. And this
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is why sometimes lines do change, but fingerprints don't change,
because our entire life purpose is in our fingerprints, and
we can see that on the hands that actually we've
had many, many billions of lives in this material world,
and we only need to see two or three lives
to figure out where a person needs to go into
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this life because life is simply a continuum. We're not
this body. We are spiritual souls. This body is simply
a dress. And you know, every eighty ninety hundred years
we got a new dress. We are spiritual souls. We
have nothing to do with this body. We're just in it.
And Martin Luther King said it really well. He said
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we should look at the content of one's character and
we would say, in the New Age world, our consciousness
is our consciousness advance. You see, if we operate on
the fact that we are pure spiritual souls, then will
love people, will give them our care. We would see
a completely different world. If people realize we're not this body,
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people would act completely differently. But because people are thinking
that their body, then what becomes important lust breed envy, avarice.
Attachment to this world is what brings envy. You see.
So these sciences like homistry and astrology can help people
to go back to what is their life purpose, what
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are they born to do? And ultimately how to become loving,
how to become merciful, how to become tolerant, how to
become tolerant.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
On the hand, where do you find some of the
information about what someone is born to do their destiny,
and then also how to become loving. Like you know,
I'm very curious. I'm like, okay, how I am a
loving being? But I can also be snarky and angry,
you know, jutmental because I don't tell me, Like, so
where do I find that? I mean, obviously venus, you
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know there's attributes with that, But give me some examples
of how you read that in a poem.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
That's such a beautiful question. As an astrologer will tell you,
nothing is seen in isolation, just like, for instance, sometimes
that a person's son isn't cancer, but that doesn't mean they're,
you know, always going to do the things that cancerrians do.
There's twelve signs, there's twelve planets, there's twelve houses, and
of course there's hundreds of fixed signs and nac chatras,
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and there's asteroids, and in the Vedic system, there's so
many other different spheres. So the idea is nothing is
seen in isolation. Everything is looked at in relationship to
everything else. And then you have the science of the earth, water, fire, air, mind, intelligence, ego.
And then even deeper than that is when you're looking
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at the subtle body, the mind, the intelligence, and then
even deeper than that is to look at the soul,
which has absolutely nothing to do with this material the world,
and the soul is seen right in the center of
the hand. But of course the soul is sending its
message through the entirety of the hand. Where do you
find this? You have to look at everything, and sometimes
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it takes about you know, for a seasoned astrologer or
a promise, it could take in like an hour to
look at everything. But nothing again is looked at in isolation.
Everything is looked in relationship to everything else. And at
the same time, the goal of what we want to
do is help people to find out, Hey, what am
I born to do? What direction do I go into?
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How can I love my career so that I can
give that love to other people and do something good
for people. You know, as they say, if you enjoy
what you're doing, you'll never work a day in your life.
And so the idea is when people enjoy their career
and love their careers, they tend to want to help
people and give back, and you know, to quote Tony Robbins,
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the goal is to awaken the giant within and when
we can do that, then we start wanting to give
back to people. We start wanting to bring out our
care and our emotions and our romanticism about how life
can be rather than how can I take more? You see? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
And so I love that the hands are hands which
we use daily and that are precious. We use for
heavy lifting, we use to brush our teeth, for writing,
for eating. They are such an integral part to our
human framework. But they also are really this extension of
our purpose and our meaning. Let me ask you this,
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you know, and the right and the left side of
the body, of course connecting with the hemispheres of the brain,
the left hand connecting with the right hemisphere, and right
hand connecting with the left hemisphere. What do you find
in correlations with the left and the right hand hemispheres
of the brain and the hand? So the intuitive versus
the more organized in logistical is that track with palmistry?
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What do you find in correlations with the left and
the right hemispheres of the brain and the hand? So
the intuitive versus the more organized in logistical is that
track with palmistry?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Absolutely, the right hand deals with the left brain and
vice versa. So I look to the left hand to
see a person, person's emotions, their feelings, it's the inner self.
The left hand has everything to do with the right brain.
So the left hand talks about a person's inner life,
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who they are when they're by themselves. It talks about
their deepest emotions, their deepest feelings, what their desires are,
what their inner needs are. It's kind of like in
westda astrology. Vedic astrologies based on the moon. So Vedic
astrology is very much about the inner self, and this
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more spirituality. Western astrologies based on the sun, so it
tends to be more outer or outer directed. And so
I look to the right hand, which is based on
the left brain. I look at this hand to see
what is a person's career, how do other people see
this person? How do they move forward in this life?
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So there's both on both on either hands, but generally
in the technical way, the right hand deals with our
outside world, our outer self, and the left hand deals
with our inner self. And it's the same for a
left handed person. The interesting thing about left handed people
is that they hear immediately their intuitions, and they tend
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to run with their intuitions a lot more than us
right handeds right handers. We tend to get intuitions or
inspirations or instincts, and we tend to put them through
the ringer of logic and reason.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
We RAN's extra So it's a laughing I am. I
am left handed hand right with I write with my
left hand. I play all your sports with my okay, so,
and I play all my sports with my right hand.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
If you're ambidextrous, the hand that you write with tends
to be the hand that you really are.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Got it.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
The interesting thing is, I want to I want to
go back to what you were saying about hands before,
because actually, our soul, our spiritual soul, is situated in
the innermost core of our hearts. According to the Bugavigita,
the soul is one ten thousands the size of the
tip of a hair when it's in this material world.
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So that means if we cut a tip of a
hair in one hundred pieces, and we cut one of
those pieces into another hundred pieces, that's the size of
the soul. But this soul, it's so powerful that it
creates our life. But it's especially speaks through our hands.
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When people have life, when people have positive energy, when
people are trying, you know, they love their passion of
what they're doing. They'll use their hands. People that are
much more cautious and careful they keep their hands like this,
or they keep them in the back, or they keep
them in the pockets when talking to people. So a
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very optimistic and positive person will always be using their hands.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Someone I talk with my hands. I have since I
came out onto the planet. I'm expressive. Yeah, I'm animated.
It's you know, and I've also learned to find time
where I'm more reserved and I can pull back and
it's not inauthentic, but more naturally, I am expressive, and
it's pretty obvious in my nature and my personality.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Well, of course, yes, exactly. And we find that when
we're in our rooms by ourselves and we're just doing
our stuff, we keep our hands close to ourselves. But
when we're dealing with people, if a person is optimistic
and positive, they will always be expressive with their hands.
Sometimes you'll see that people who speak with their hands
like this they tend to be very exuberant, and people
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who speak with their hands close or like this, they
tend to be more cautious and careful in their words.
And how they spook. But yes, our hands are a
reflection of our soul. And Susan Palmas can just tell
by looking at someone's hands a lot about their character
and a lot about their nature.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Well, you nailed me with the humanitarian aspect and then
the visionary, but the practical visionary that's very much at
my essence and in my core. What I know today
feels aligned and when I'm in my joy, when I'm
in my highest expression, and also there's peace, there's joy
and peace combined. It's just infinite. There's an infinite experience
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that happens with that.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
And your hand shows that when you are working cooperatively
with other people, you're in your element. You feel so happy.
Your hand shows that from a previous life, if you
had excellent relationships with people, and you enjoy working with people,
and that's why in this life you just love to
network with people and talk to people, and so you
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have incredible people's skills. So you're at your best when
you're just like your podcast, it's directed towards people. But ultimately,
what do you want to do? You want to elevate
people's consciousness, you want to uplift them. You see, so
you've got the practical aspects and then you've got the
idealistic visionary aspects.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Wonderful and it's fun and it's fun to feel good.
And are there things in my hand? I know, you
know that show that movement in the right direction? You know,
are there things that indicate or lines in the hand
that say, yes, you're right where you're supposed to be
or you're headed in the right direction.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Absolutely, And that's what a promise. We'll look at. We'll
look at the talents and abilities that a person has,
and of course we'll look at are they achieving them?
Are they doing it? And if they're not, what's holding
them back? Many times we see that people are you know,
there is a video that my son was looking at
a few years ago. It said human beings are awesome
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and it showed people who are on skateboards doing stuff
and all kinds of interest and stuff, and I said,
you know, this is really what I see in people's hands.
People are amazing. People are just incredibly gifted. But our
society waiglays us from bringing out these talents and abilities.
So we're operating at you know, I use the term
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one tenth of one percent. We're operating at such a
small level of what we're able to do. And so
when an astrologer or a palmis seized people's hands and
what they're able to do, our job is to sometimes
just give them positive reinforcement that hey, you can do it.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yes, astounding people with their innate abilities. And when you're talking,
I think of that potentially quote, you know, from Tanjui.
When we're inspired by some great purpose, some extraordinary purpose,
thoughts break their bonds. Our mind transcends limitations, our consciousness
expands in every direction. That's what comes to mind.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
And that Norman Vincent Peel once said, he said what
the mind can conceive, one can achieve yes, And Sheila
Probudd said impossible is a word and a fool's dictionist.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I love that the palm and palmistry can speak to
igniting these dormant forces. It's inspiring someone's meeting, helping them recognize,
they can ask questions, they can get curious, they can
be skeptical. It's remembering to do that, you know, Vernon,
I think about GPS and how we're so many of
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us and you know, over the years have been conditioned
to just put it in a GPS coordinate rather than
stopping and asking somebody for directions, yeah, or using our
intuition and you know what, I know it's over this way,
and it's on so and so street. Let me head
that way, and if I get thrown off, I'll stop
and ask somebody, or maybe I'll pull it up in
my phone. And I do that all the time.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
For my cognition, our humanness, our.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Humanists, and our curiosity, our ability to use our internal map,
our internal our Internet, our guidance system. And when that
stuff comes back, our brains start firing and wiring. So
I often play games. I do that stuff spontaneously and
on purpose because I know that it's engaging me, it's
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grounding me, it's activating me. And I love that The
palms again speak to one of these amazing resources, these
ancient wisdoms that are accessible as a tool to ignite
and inspire our destiny, our meaning, evolve our purpose, which
hopefully which hopefully for me. You know, Vernon comes back
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to the humanitarian of if there's enough of us doing
this and doing the work, we can raise consciousness. We
can create effective sustainable change for this brave new world.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Absolutely, and if a person gets a reading by a
qualified astrologer or promise. If a palmis looks at someone's hand,
they're actually looking into the deepest, deepest aspects of a
person's metaphysical spheres, their soul. And when a person gets
a reading, they feel empowered. They feel wow, I'm bigger
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than this, you know, interestingly enough, I would say this
happens at ninety percent of the time. I'll tell somebody, oh, well,
you know, maybe they could be forty years old, fifty
years old, I don't know, thirty years old, and I'll say,
you know what, you should be an arborist, or you
should have been an arborist, or you know, you should
have worked with trees or plants. And somebody will say,
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that's what I wanted to do after high school, but
my parents talk me out of it, or the high
school guidance councilor said I wouldn't make any money or
they You know, so, we know inherently what we want.
Our intuition tells us this, and if we were to
get validation from an qualified astrologer or palmist, then that
person will feel empowered to do it, say hey, I
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love my career, I love what I'm here to do,
and I feel a connection with God and everybody around me.
You see. So the palmist's job and the astrologer's job
is to bring out our individual identity, to bring out
our talents and our abilities. It's said in the Baghavigda,
Christiana tells our Juna that there may be billions and
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billions and trillions and billions of souls, but each soul
is loved by the supreme Creator, the supreme personality of Godhead,
and each one of us has a service to humanity
and God that nobody could replace. We are irreplaceable. Even
though there's billions of souls, We're irreplaceable, and we're completely
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love by God and the gods completely. We're irreplaceable.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
If we're and that we're unique. Each one of us
is unique, unique and unique. We are unique. And when
we when we touch, when we see or recognize, and
I love that word recognized, because literally, when we recognize,
you know, our uniqueness, it makes it real, It makes
it reachable or inspirational, whatever whatever resonates. But there's something
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about touching our uniqueness and knowing it and trusting it
and then wanting to grow it, and then not even
that wanting to share it with other people.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
That's why God and the Goddess created us. They created
us because we have a uniqueness and an individuality where
we can give a specific type of our loving to
them and they can give to us, so we can
give to others. In other words, love is individual. The
way you show love to different people can never be
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replaced by anyone else. It's unique. Your ways of loving
someone or anybody is unique. It can never be duplicated.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
So love is like a signature. It's like a love
is like a signature. And and together with all of
those signatures, it can perpetuate the exactly evolution of consciousness,
of humanity, of the multiverse, whatever, all and and and
infinitely beyond.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
And the soul expresses its individuality through the agency of
the hands. And that's why you, as you were saying earlier,
even we have ten fingerprints, none of these fingerprints are identicy,
but to speak of the billions of other fingerprints. So
love this So individuality is a sign of the soul.
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The soul is an individual entity. And once we understand
our true identity, then we're unstoppable.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Yes, And that is that element of the recognition of
our uniqueness, our true identity, and then you know, create
almost seeking, searching, craving more of that to become more whole,
to remember, to really remember our essence who we are.
That that string that you talked about in the heart,
that tiny string. Coming back to that tiny string. Let
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me ask you this one question in closing, especially for
the audience. Are there exercises that we can do with
the hands? You know, say we want to express our leadership,
or we want to become more grounded, don't, I don't
know whatever? Are there exercises you can do with the
hands through palmistry that you could share with us that
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that might be helpful for.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Let's say a person is going through quandary or indecision.
You're thinking should I do this, or should I do that?
Or what should I do? Take the left hand, which
is rule by the right brain, which is the brain
of intuition and inspiration and instinct, and bring it to
the heart and then ask a question, should I do this,
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should I do that? Or what should I do? Sometimes
even take the right hand and put it like this.
It's the same thing. If we're also going through a
period of not just quandary or indecision, but we just
want to connect more with others or life, or we
just want to balance ourselves. Just like in the prayer,
we bring the two hands together. And we were talking
about this earlier. Well, this is the right hand and
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the right brain in the left hand. We're bringing this together.
This is the prayer. Why does every religious system hold
in this idea together of these two hands, because this
is bringing the two brains together, and it's a harmonizing,
it's a balance, and it's very very powerful.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Thank you. That's so helpful as far as remembering that
at any given time when we are in dress or
stress or in decision, it's just come back to the
heart and bring the hands to the heart or bring
the hands palms together to come into sinistry or cohesion.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yes, yes, it's.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
As simple as that, and it's accessible. But that the
hands speak, the hands have a language, and they're connected
to our innermost being, our unique innermost being. Vernon, this
has been fascinating and illuminating and practical, which I am
excited for people to dive in more. I know they
can check out your books. They can also find you
(46:32):
at the Palmistry Institute.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yeah, Palmistry Institute dot com.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Palmis Street Institute dot com. And you do readings, you
do palmistry sessions, you act.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
That's all I do.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
That's all you do. So they can find you through
your website and book an appointment. Yes that's the best way.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Yes, my website Palmistry Institute dot com has my email
and it has my phone number.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
Amazing. So everyone now you know how to reach out.
And I hope you enjoyed this episode. It piqued your
curiosity and also you saw a glimmer of your soul,
your unique soul, and are curious to build more, grow more.
Thanks take care of everyone,
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