Unraveling Mysteries of Time, Consciousness, and Alien Encounters with Dr. Michael P. Masters

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hi everyone, it's Amanda Rieger Green. Welcome to Soul Sessions.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
I have an intriguing conversation for you today where we're
going to talk about UFO's time travel, consciousness, spirituality, human evolution,
and so much more. My guest today is doctor Michael P. Masters.
He is a professor of biological anthropology specializing in human
evolutionary anatomy, archaeology, and biomedicine at Montana Technical University in Butte.

(00:38):
He has authored three books, Identified Flying Objects, The Extra
Tempestrial Model, and he has a new book out which
is a little bit different than his normal scientific, evidenery
based approach. It's called Revelation The Future Human Past. It's
a satirical time travel novel that I'm very curious to

(01:00):
engage with. Welcome doctor Masters.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Thank you, Amanda. That's great to be here. I'm looking
forward to talking to you as well.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Absolutely so.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
I want to let our listeners know how we are connected,
even though doctor Masters doesn't know this yet, but I'm going.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
To share this with him.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
A handful of years ago, when we were living my
husband and I were in Belize. I had had plenty
of experiences in seeing craft, seeing different spacecraft, when I
lived in Texas on a trip to Costa Rica where
craft got really close, and my sister was with me
and was able to back up the evidence and the
experience of it. But when we were in Belize, we

(01:37):
had this beautiful dark sky. We had three gs, so
it was quieter, and I'm not sure exactly what it was,
if it was that point in time and space, or
the quietness of all of the electric magnetic frequencies in
the sky, the energy of Belize, but we would see
craft all of the time, almost every night, and it

(01:59):
was pretty amaze. Because I got familiar with them, I
was able to identify them. They were similar but different.
Some of them were closer, some of them were farther away.
They were vibrating at very very rapid frequencies and moving
in almost quick geographic patterns with lights laser lights flickering,

(02:19):
and some of them would come relatively close to the house,
others were farther away. And I would experience this nightly
and it got to be just part of my lifestyle,
my meditation. I would look forward to sitting out on
our porch and really I would talk to them almost telepathically,
like why are you here?

Speaker 1 (02:39):
What are you communicating? Can I can? Can you show me?
Can I understand better?

Speaker 2 (02:43):
And every thing that I felt new and telepathically engaged.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
With was benevolent.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
It was curious.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
And what they kept like transmitting to me was we're
here studying you. We are a few versions of you.
And literally I was like, future versions of me? How
many versions are there? And I had already done retreats
and workshops on not only past life but future life
and working with linear time and multi dimensional time. I've
done this with clients for years. But anyway, I'm having

(03:15):
this experience repetitively. I knew that they were just in
my soul. I just knew they were versions of us
from the future, studying us, wanting to understand, wanting to connect,
gathering information. And one evening I was I was frustrated.
I was like, why, what do I need to say?
What do I need to do?

Speaker 1 (03:35):
What is my role in this? And I thought, well,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
And I went to do the dishes and I put
on an excerpt of Coast to Coast with George Nori,
and there you were having a conversation talking, and you
all were talking, and you were basically articulating from a
scientific an anthropological perspective, and especially from your first book
Identified Flying Objects, where you say, could UFOs and aliens

(04:02):
simply be us from the future, And it was like
I felt validated and grounded. So thank you for that.
But that's and so in that moment, I was like,
I'm gonna have to reach out to to Mike. I'm
gonna have to talk to him. And here we are
years later and we're talking, and so I knew it
would happen in divine timing. But anyway, I mean, that's
that was my that's my introduction to you, but it

(04:24):
also validated from an anthropological perspective, which is very unique.
And so please tell me a little bit share with
our audience your background, how you got involved in biological
anthropology and then how you started to connect the dots
into the future, because I know you've done digs and

(04:45):
research in examining the past as an anthropologist, but how
that tracked into exploring the future and UFOs and alien contact.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah, wow, that's such a cool synchronicity. Thanks for sharing that. Yeah,
I didn't know that happened. That's that's really cool, And yeah,
that's been my understanding as well, and it goes against
the sort of stereotype of abduction scenarios and these interactions
with these this higher intelligence, these beans, but I argue,

(05:14):
are extra tempastorals where you know, you get drugging into
a ship, kicking and screaming and you have a horrible
time and it freaks you out. And so many people
I've talked to you, like yourself, get that sense of empathy, love, benevolence,
and even the doctor Agri Mitchell free study showed that
the people that interact with these humans, they describe them
as humans, eighty five percent have a positive or neutral

(05:37):
experience and only five percent describe it as negative. And
then over time, regardless of how positive or negative it was,
people start to enjoy those interactions and like you said,
normalize them and look forward to the seeing the craft
or interacting telepathically, because it's very possible to do that
when they're in proximity, that the consciousness connects, you know,

(05:57):
through this zero point energy spectrum or whatever it is.
So yeah, thanks for sharing that. But to get to
my background in this, it's sort of the reverse of
what a lot of people think. Like the way you
framed that is that I became a biological anthropologist and
then got interested in UFOs, and it was actually the
opposite where I had what I've come to understand is

(06:20):
a conscious precognitive moment when I was eight years old
and I looked up and saw what Ley Strieber's book
Communion with the Archetypal Gray Alien on the cover, And
as I described in my first two books, I had
this moment where I've envisioned an early hominin, a chimpanzee
like form, a modern human, and then this quintessential alien

(06:41):
and wondered could there be a connection, And that sort
of set me down this path that sort of fulfilled
that self consistent loop if it was conscious precognition, and
I started out in physics and astronomy to answer they're
not answered. I don't think any of us have the answers,
and I'll be some time before we do. But to
at least sedate this question in real terms from a

(07:02):
scientific perspective, and then remember the exact moment it happened.
I was behind Morton Hall at Ohio University late in
my sophomore year and I thought, this is the wrong track.
I need to go into evolution I need to research
the beans themselves and whether or not this could make
sense in the context of long term evolutionary changes. So

(07:23):
I switched my major to biological anthropology and have pursued
that since. Yeah, I've worked two summers in South Africa
to a three point five million year old Australiopathicas Africanist site.
I did research in museums all over Europe, South Africa, Cleveland,
run a couple of digs here in Montana, and worked

(07:44):
on some in Ohio. So yeah, it's been a great
opportunity for travel learning so much about the human condition
now and in the past, and arguably in the future,
because if we are observing our future human descendants, it's
not speculating about what will look like or what we'll
act like in the future. We're actually able to observe
and interact with them and garner information from that future.

(08:08):
So I don't just assume that or come out expecting that.
But there's been so many things that do indicate that
at least some of them are us, and especially experiences
like you've had and many others have had, where they
tell us that they communicate that to us directly. So
I think we do need to take all of this
into account, the long term evolutionary changes not just in

(08:28):
our physiology, but also our culture and technology and the
experiences that people have. That's sort of been left off
the table so far in the conversations we've been having.
It's all about Initially it was the cockpit videos, and
now it's a little more about the reverse engineering program,
but we're still missing the all important piece of the
puzzle is people's actual experiences. We can learn so much

(08:48):
from them, and I think we have a debt of
gratitude to people brave enough to talk about these things,
because it really does challenge their own worldview. It challenges
the worldview of the people that read about this. But
I think it's important that we all do that, especially
in light of what's happening, that we step back and
just look at everything holistically and say, there's something going
on here, let's try to figure it out.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Thank you so much for sharing this.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
And there my you know, I am fire and and
wire and on the synchronicities because I too had a
similar experience in college. In undergrad where I was a
biology major, I was on a pre med track. I
was at a liberal arts school, so we were required
to take humanities courses to supplement that. And I was

(09:30):
so enriched in my humanities courses, looking at the synthesis
of history, art, archaeology, every religion, how those things were
formulated in society. So this very anthropological approach. And I
had an Aha moment day and I remember exactly where
I was. The professor I was talking to. It was

(09:51):
my organic kim professor, and I told him, I am
so enriched in my religion classes, my humanities classes, and
I can do the biology and the physics and the biokim,
but I'm just my fire is not lit up. And
that's when he said, have you ever thought about a
Master of Public Health? Because I had become a religion major.
I switched my major, much to my mother's chagrin. And then,

(10:14):
you know, and family like, oh, you're supposed to be
a doctor. This is what you said you were going
to do, you know, breaking those norms and following that call.
You know, we have those windows of opportunities and they
align and then we have the right people who show
up to hold space for us. And this professor, he said,
you know, master of public Health. It's like the liberal
arts approach to medicine, and then that opened up this

(10:36):
new world into spirituality and public health, and our spiritual
health being a public health crisis at this point, and
that's where we are.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
I mean, it's just as important too. We get bogged
down in this reductionist, materialistic view of reality. And obviously
we need art, transplants, some stuff, but there's so much
more going on with health than there should be, especially
in the American health care system that I think other
developed nations are a little bit better at. So yeah,
that's that's great. It's an equally important contribution, right, And.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
I want, I do want you to talk about your
first book a little bit and explain for our audience
your findings and your correlations because and especially with the
hominids and the evolution of human biology and the skeleton
and all of I can't even speak, I can't even
use the language you know at the level you do.
But that's why I want you to explain that. But

(11:28):
then jumping to your second book and the experiences, because
what you were saying is what is so important is
the human experience. And I find that in the evolution
of consciousness with people, when we relate to each other,
when we tell stories when we share experiences, even when
we have to be vulnerable or we're scared, and they
may be we don't know how to define or explain things,

(11:50):
and they're outside the box or our belief systems or infrastructures.
When we talk about things and we find people to
hold space and listen, something shifts in our consciousness and
I feel like it's all part of this larger story
that is happening now. So will you talk about your
first book and some of your findings and explain, explain
to the listeners how you started making these anthropological connections

(12:15):
and biological connections with aliens, with the aliens that most
people know, the little grays, those beings, making those connections
in the skeleton and in the forms of the body.
Explain to the listeners how you started making these anthropological

(12:37):
connections and biological connections with aliens, with the aliens that
most people know, the little grays, those beings making those
connections in the skeleton and in the forms of the body.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah, I mean that was kind of the starting point.
Like I mentioned, just that question, and well, a scientific
hypotheses always start with the question. And what's cool about
this one is it is actually testable. We will know
if we ever become them, or if we destroy ourselves
and no humans survive. We've still tested and falsified that question,
So I think it's important to recognize that. But then also, yeah,

(13:13):
our long term evolutionary changes. That was the whole reason
I got into biological anthropology, the field that studies that,
as well as all aspects of humanity were divided into
four main sub fields. So yeah, the more I mean,
obviously recognizing the potential for confirmation bias where I only
look for things that adhere to this model, wasn't the case,

(13:34):
Just the more I read that deeper down this rabbit hole.
I went from the very beginning at Ohio University and
then in Ohio State where I did my PhD, and
really got into the weeds of that because I was
assigned Slash Chose. Slash was always going to study the orbit,
the place where the eye sits within the skull, and
how the expansion of our neurocranium above that, in concert

(13:57):
with the reduction and retraction of our mid and lower
facial anatomy, may impinge upon the eyeball in a functional
vision sense. With regard to juvenile on setmiopia and astigmatism
and other conditions that may be associated with that, and
pinging of these other features upon the eye, which happened
to imbue me with a set of knowledge and skills

(14:19):
that were very useful for then taking that and applying
it in the context of what may be the path
of our future. So yeah, a lot of people think, well,
we'll live in space, our eyes will get bigger, we'll
push buttons so our fingers will get longer. I don't know,
and I don't make any specuative claims like that, because
we can't know what will happen between now and whatever

(14:41):
point in time we start to morph into them. But
we can look at very dominant trends throughout human evolution,
and I mentioned a few of those, not just an
expansion of our brains, which is three times larger than
our early hominin ancestors, it was also expanded medio laterally.
Modern humans are characterized we's refer to as neurocranial globularity,

(15:02):
where our brains have gotten more rounded. There's a lot
of parietal expansion in the back, and all of this
dovetails with the mid and lower facial anatomy retracting and reducing,
which was allowed for by culture. We started to cook food,
We invented fire about one point eight million years ago,
stone tools to process that food, to make it easier
to choose, so the phase could get out of the way,
and so many things like that that just compiled over

(15:26):
time and led to this runaway brain, as we say,
where the brain just took over and allowed us to
really have all of this high level thinking and importantly technology,
And we see an accelerating growth in the rate at
which our technology advances. And if that continues, if there's
nothing in the laws of physics that prohibits backward time travel,

(15:47):
eventually at some point we're going to figure out how
to do it. And I think we're very close to
that already. And this is one thing. In the first
book I mostly focused on some problems with the extraterrestrial model,
where you you know, it just limitations, not necessarily with travel.
I think it'd be easy to travel amongst the stars,
at least within the same galaxy, but issues related to

(16:09):
concurrent evolution, where you have the same physical characteristics that
we have that are ubiquitously described in these instances of
close encounters. The biggest one being bipedalism, which defines the
hominine lineage. And then you have tetrapods four limbs, upper
limbs that are arms, specifically to us, five digits on
each one. These are characteristics that go back to tetrapods

(16:31):
four hundred million years ago. So something we share on
this planet, not just with these beings and ourselves, but
with all mammals, and that indicates a common evolution on
this same planet and shared ancestry on this planet. So
I sort of took that approach, but because I was
inspired by the cover of Streaber's book, I mostly was
connecting the dots with that great alien craniofacial form, overlooking

(16:55):
the fact that a lot of people, in fact the
majority of people. Again based on the Doctor of gra
Mitchell Free study, what they found is the most commonly
described form are humans just like us. And then it's
the small grays, the tall grays, and hybrids. And importantly,
all four of those categories by definition are upright walking
hominins just like us. Different versions of them, and I

(17:18):
argue that those versions are the result of what I've
referred to as temporal ancestry, where they're coming from different points,
and like you said, with your account, they seem to
have expressed that to you that were different versions of
these future humans, and that would seem to fit what
we see in their physiological form and the technology as well.
There's a lot of overlap. But then they're also there's

(17:41):
these different varieties and seemingly the more highly evolved ones
not just in their physiology but arguably their consciousness from
what people describe the ones that are almost bug like
because they're so their eyes are so big, and they
have this really just powerful telepathic ability, the sense of
empathy and life of which gives me hope for the
future if that is actually where we're going. But they

(18:04):
seemingly are in control of these other forms, and that
would make sense if they're collaborating across time. Obviously you
would have the ones that are the most evolved and
the most technologically and consciously evolved overseeing this operation and
picking up and studying their ancestors. So, yeah, my thinking
has not changed with regard to this hypothesis, but it's

(18:24):
definitely been brought to a point where I've had to
expand my thinking to also include the modern humans, which
seems to indicate to me that this will be happening
sooner than later. And then also the consciousness aspect, which
I've come to believe is fundamental, that there's some fundamental
aspect of our consciousness that relates to all of this.
But there's still clearly a nuts and bolts component too.

(18:46):
They are flying these machines that are argue or time machines,
because we have this expression of biology that form follows function.
The form of these clearly indicates the function of manipulating
the space time metric, manipulating time, and arguably traveling through time.
So it's become a broader approach than where I started

(19:06):
being forced through the see of reductionist materialism and graduate school.
I've sort of come out of that and embraced a
lot of things that in my mind weren't related, but
now I'm starting to think are actually fundamental to the
whole thing.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, thank you, because you brought so much together, especially
bringing back in the evolution of consciousness and going back
to the brain and our brains evolving getting larger, and
our facial features changing through agriculture, the advent of fire,
all of those those periods and those points in time

(19:42):
where where society changed because of a discovery or an innovation.
You know, I think about the advent of the smartphone,
the iPhone and the release you know, at least to
the public in two thousand and seven, and how since
you know, I mean, I can remember in the nineties eighties,
we think back to computers and video games, and we

(20:03):
can look at the progression. But after the release of
the smartphone in two thousand and seven, the advancement of technology,
we can't even keep up. Once something is released, it's
already outdated and we're looking for the next generation of
fill in the blank. And to me, that tracks with
time changing. We have linear time and multidimensional time, and

(20:26):
I feel like, for lack of better words and a
more metaphysical way to put it, the veil is center
of consciousness between linear and multi dimensional time and seeing
how they're intertwining. And I specifically see that with people
that I work with as far as depression and anxiety isolation.
Of course, the pandemic was a big game changer in

(20:48):
the way that we work in community or lack thereof,
and triggered lots of things in our biology and our sociology.
But also it almost to me, is is time and
space is changing space time and time space is changing,
and our human body as it exists today is trying

(21:09):
to evolve to keep up, to respond to healthfully, and
as a result, our dense physical matter is heavier, it
doesn't shift in vibration as easily. Thus, people searching for meaning,
expanding their consciousness, working on neuroplasticity, to strengthen the brain,
to connect, interconnect the right and left hemispheres. I can
go back to all the practical things that are happening

(21:31):
on an energetic, a biological, neurological, and spiritual level, but
to me, it tracks with our evolution. And one of
the things that I know that you've talked about before
that was a light bulb moment for me, was talking
about how human consciousness is somewhat evolving to the point
where it's almost like an entity into itself. And I

(21:54):
thought that was a to me again, just like hearing
you on Coast to Coast with George and it being
validated when you said that, I thought, exactly, it's like
and I see that in businesses. You and I were
talking about this before we got on the on the
podcast about evolving the consciousness of organizations of businesses with
the people and the consciousness and looking at to me,

(22:16):
I say it this way, looking at the heart and
soul of a business. What is the energy of your business,
and how does that translate to your people, your shareholders,
your clientele, your products, whatever it may be. But looking
at the consciousness of a business, but even larger, the
consciousness of humanity being an entity or an energy unto itself.

(22:38):
Can you give me some thoughts and feedback on that,
because I find it it tracks with what I see
in individuals as well as in the collective.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yeah. Absolutely, And you know again, the first book was
more rigorous. That's been called dense by many readers.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
It is dense.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
I mean I've I read it and I have to
underline and words, I have to look things up, so
it takes me forever. But it also to me it
put puzzle pieces together scientifically and got me thinking.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
About our biology. And you learn some new words. I
totally didn't.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
I grew up reading really dense books about time and
physics and Thorn, Paul Davies, Igor Navakov, and I loved,
you know. Having to reread this, I have dyslexia, so
I have to reread a lot of things. But rereading
the same part just to comprehend what the hell they
were talking about, you know, And I loved that challenge,
and it wasn't what I was trying to do with

(23:34):
that book. I was really trying to find the middle
ground between a lay audience, especially ones that interested in
u fos, and then my academic colleagues, who I have
to appease, especially with the first book, you know, like
this is maybe accurate or we should at least consider it,
and I'd like your feedback, but I have to speak
in that language otherwise it's not going to convey what

(23:55):
I'm trying to convey. So it was just tough to
find that balance in general. But yeah, and then going
into the second one, starting to realize people's experiences with
these beings who seemingly have a very highly evolved consciousness
like I was just talking about, and I think in
association with that, you also see empathy increasing and just

(24:16):
a sense of oneness that you know, evolutionarily and even
in recent cultural history, we didn't have. It's very individualistic,
it's very tribal, and we still have that tribalism, but
I feel like there's also a more enlightened segment of
our civilization that you could argue is a little more evolved,
maybe even I don't know, it's probably offensive to say that,

(24:38):
but you know, you just look at slavery and Jim
Crow loss. All these things are pretty recent in American history.
But we also have come so far even since then,
and I think where we're going is just going to
be a continuation of that same path. Again, what I
study is the past and trends, and we have a trend,

(24:59):
a clear trend in the way humans only treat each
other but see themselves. And I can't help but wonder,
and there's been some indication of this to me from
a number of different angles, that we are evolving to
a hive mind, super organism type of consciousness, and there
can't be there can't be lies, there can't be hiding

(25:21):
truths from people who you share a mind with, you know.
And so I think that stage of evolution is going
to be very transcendental. And if we're already interacting with
beings who have that, we can't help but absorb some
of that and help move us in that direction in
the same way the crash retrieval programs would help us
eventually build the same time machines that eventually come back

(25:41):
and crash, that we eventually build and they come back
and crash. I can't help but wonder if that's happening
with this evolution of empathy and consciousness and a denigration
of the tribalism that characterizes the human past up to
this point and still exists today unfortunately. But another thing,
I haven't read the book yet, but I was listening

(26:02):
to Kelly Chase's The UFO Rabbit Hole last week and
she was talking about Whitley Strieber's book Them, and I
was actually at Rice University when he told this story
and then it got worked into that book. But it
was a group of people on a farm that saw
this human being out by the barn, and it was

(26:22):
so unimpressive that the woman sent her daughter down to
check it out. And you know, there's this woman walking around,
and then there were like floating human like beings up
in the trees. And then later in this very cliff
notes version, go read the book. Yeah, that gives more detail.
But then the last one is sort of this ball
of energetic light and the way he interpreted that, which

(26:46):
I think is an interesting and accurate interpretation is they
were seeing sort of the evolution of human and human
consciousness towards that almost disembodied, timeless, universal conciousness form all
in the course of this one encounter. And I think
that's really interesting that they witnessed that they saw that

(27:08):
in his interpretation of that of all of the tens
of thousands of letters him and his wife Ann Gott,
that's the one that he brought to this lecture at
RICE for the opening of the Archives conference that Jeff
crap Will put on last year twenty two.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Another mutual friend of ours that connected who I And
It's so funny because the last two weeks I've been
thinking I need to reach out to doctor Kreipel, I
need to connect with him and just give him an
update on things and pick his brain. And then this
morning you and I one thing led to another and
we made that connection.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
You're like, I just was with him, you know those things.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
And I point this stuff out, even to digress for
a moment, because this is where we get to fire
and wire, We get to notice our connections and alignment,
and to me, it generates endearment and empathy and connection
and almost these telepath or multi dimensional timeline wires that
are crossing this internet, this innerweb that we have of consciousness.

(28:07):
Going back to this, you know, hive consciousness you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Okay, so go back.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
And I also, it's funny because I was going to
ask you to give a couple of examples, and I
do want you to give a couple of outstanding examples
from your second book when you were looking at actual
encounters that were just eye opening revelatory to you. But
but finish where you were on that. And I didn't
mean to interrupt.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Okay, back to Oh no, you didn't at all. Back
to Rice University.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Yeah, so it was talking about this encounter that was
described to him in the letter, and I, yeah, this
is sort of what launched us into that is the
question of not just the evolution of our physical form,
because that's what I really focused on in the first book.
Barily even brought in any case studies. I think there
were a few that were just sort of listed in

(28:57):
bullet form or a table of some sort. But I
overlooked that real connection that we had. So the second book,
I didn't even start from that place. And I swore
after the first one I wasn't even going to write
another book because it was seven years and it was
very traumatic at times in accordance with raising children and

(29:19):
you know, teaching and researching other things. But covid hit
got bored started writing this one and then realized a
lot of things I overlooked in the first one. Disease
transmission across different time periods, the role of AI and
robotics and these deductions and other things. How the G
forces can be easily explained by different temporal reference frames,

(29:40):
and how they view us as moving very slowly. We
moved them as moving very quickly, but they're not in
their own frame of reference. It's just a shift and
the perception inside and outside of those craft. And then
the other one was, yeah, really that that connection empathetically
with another human form like this not human intelligence has

(30:01):
replaced extraterrestrial as the buzzword. But many of them are
probably us, and in fact, I've come to know that
some of them actually are. And yeah, what my friend
Darren King calls non conventional humans instead of just non human,
because yeah, they're not like us, They're not modern human.

(30:21):
Some of them are because they are here in present,
in our time as well. So yeah, there's a lot
going on there. But I do think that in looking
at the case studies, and I focused on fifteen different
case studies, but then brought in about another fifteen or twenty,
so it's not just those, but I was trying to
get a broad perspective. So it's five different continents over

(30:44):
about ninety two or ninety three years, and it's so
much consistency across these different reports. The ones that stand out,
and I wasn't just cherry picking ones that seem to
indicate time travel as at play, and some of them
very very clear do like the Amy violence case in
Australia where she was taken. We'll go have a very

(31:06):
short description of this. She was taken seen by her
friend being taken through a window into a disk outside,
so there's other witnesses corroborating this. Her husband wakes up
and he starts freaking out. Cops are called. They get
there an hour and a half later, and they're starting
to think, oh, they murdered her. They murdered this Amy
person because there's a love triangle or something. Just at

(31:29):
that moment, a woman calls from a VP station seven
hundred and ninety kilometers away and says, we have amy ryolence. Here,
she doesn't look so good. I'm taking her to the hospital.
So what's interesting about it is they found her an
hour and a half after she was seen disappearing. She
claims she was on the craft with this man, doesn't
even call him an alien, calls him a man, just

(31:51):
like people alive today. And the doctors confirmed that based
on her hair growth and the context of her stomach
and the dehydration, that she was gone for at least
five days. So if a person has taken shows up
seven hundred and ninety kilometers later, is with these people
for five days, but then as found an hour and

(32:11):
a half later, it indicates that they came back in
time and dropped her off in order to most likely
appease or at least reduce the mental anguish of the
two people that were worried about her. And we see
this in the corporal Armando Valdez case study too, where
he disappears he's gone for his watch even read five

(32:31):
days in the future. Yeah, weird growth indicated he was
gone that long, and then he shows up again in
fifteen minutes because the six members of his platoon are like,
oh crap, you know, where'd this guy go? He just disappeared,
shows back up. He's very weak. So yeah, there's a
lot of things about the craft and the experiences and
the missing time that indicate this. But I didn't just

(32:52):
cherry pick. I also talked about the Betty and Barney
Hill case, because that's usually thrown out as the one
that's definitely extraterrestrials because she was shown a starmap, and
even though there's a lot of problems with the starmap,
I still need to talk about those and what's really
funny about it, and this was just sent to me
a couple months ago, is that Betty Hill made a
bust of what one of her captors looked like one

(33:16):
of these aliens that abducted her and her husband, and
she actually was showing it to people at university and
a biological anthropologist told her that that is what humans
will look like in some tens of thousands of years.
So the case that's always.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Based on study, yes, yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
The case that's always been touted as extraterrest or extraterrestrial. Now,
even Betty Hill, or at least at the time this
video was shot in the nineties, she's convinced that their
future humans too. So there's just all of these things
that seem to keep pulling us back to that as
a potential explanation. Certainly it's part of it. It doesn't
explain everything, but yeah, the case studies in the book

(33:55):
highlight many that do. But there's also ways we can
interpret it in the context of interdimensional scrypto terrestrials, ultra terrestrials,
which I've come to think are all the same thing. Yes,
if we interject this all important variable of time. And
I just posted a lecture I gave on my YouTube channel.
That's the only thing on my YouTube channel. I started

(34:15):
it just for this video. But it's a talk I
gave in Phoenix in May where I lay out how
that could be, how all of these seemingly competing models
could really be the same thing if we just look
at it through the lens of time, if we see
how time could connect all of these different aspects of
the phenomenon.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
That's what I find fascinating is time, And that's where
you know, you know how sometimes you're driving and whether
you're going to the grocery store, you're picking up your kids,
and it's like, WHOA, how did I get here in
five minutes. I just blacked out, you know, and I
was conscious, I was at the stop lights. You know,
I'm not on anything like you know, how did I
get here? And I used to play with that a

(34:54):
handful of years ago. I had this drive on this
gorgeous ranch road in the in the Texas Hill and
I would notice myself getting from where I was driving
home and it was about a twenty five minute drive,
and I would notice I would get there in twelve
to fifteen minutes, and it was clearly by the mileage

(35:15):
the stoplights. I had made this drive about a twenty
five twenty seven minute drive without traffic, and I would
make it home in fifteen minutes. And I would look
at the clock and I would get so confused about
what was happening because I was seeing the time. And
I have to tell you, because this is kind of hysterical.
I'm I'm sober. I've been sober for a while. So

(35:38):
I was actually at a recovery meeting. So this was
from my recovery meeting home. So I'm like, just to validate,
you know, I am clear present in my consciousness sober.
And I would drive home and there would be times
where I would look at the clock when I got
in the car and I would say, Okay, I'm just
going to enjoy my drive home and I'll make note
when I get home. So I wasn't like, you knowhoning

(35:58):
on my powers and trying to focus this. I would
just play with it, and then I wouldn't look at
the clock the whole way. I'd listen to music or
an audiobook, or talk to a friend or just drive
whatever it was. And it would be so odd. And
I would tell this to my husband. I'd say, hey,
here's and he's like, there's no way. The mileage is this,
this is how long it takes Amanda, you know, And

(36:21):
I said, but this is happening. And the most amazing
thing about that that I want to add in that
goes back to human connection and empathy is my husband
is this super grounded guy. He's pretty spiritual, he's very
open and accepting, but he's a pretty black and white
kind of no nonsense guy. So when we would see
these craft in Belize and he would see them and he'd.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Be like, Okay, I got it. I see him all
the time.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Why are you so interested in Can we talk about
something else? What are we having for dinner? You know,
he didn't he didn't have the same hunger and thirst
and curiosity, but he acknowledged them. And he would acknowledge
the same thing with the time, the driving time for me.
He'd say, I don't know how that could happen, but
it's you that I'm talking to, and I believe you.

(37:04):
And he said, anything is possible with you, and it
fascinates me.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
But I don't need to know how or why. Amazing, Amanda.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
And he wasn't blowing me off or play caating to me, Yeah,
because that's not really.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
It's not how we roll together.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
I mean, he respects me and who I am and
what I do and my intelligence and the exploration and
fervor for the expansion of consciousness. And you know, it's funny.
Going back to doctor Kreipel at Rice University, he and
I were having a discussion one day and he said, Amanda,
I'm just excited about pushing the ball forward in humanity
and I said, ah, that's what it is, like, that's

(37:39):
all I am curious about, and from scientific perspectives, from empathy,
from connection, and that's why I wanted to have this
dialogue with you. Today to give people ideas and ways
of looking at what is happening scientifically, biologically, anthropo logically, consciously,

(38:02):
metaphysically and looking at it to synthesize, to start drawing
our own conclusions. And for me, apart from looking at
the science and listening and learning from people like you,
individuals like you, and those dialogues and conversation and the
vast research, because there's I have mad respect for, especially

(38:24):
your first book, because I know that was painstaking, you know,
I mean, it's painstaking to do that much research, especially
in a way that is convincing your academic colleagues of something,
that is looking at a science in a different way.
And and even it's like taking the scientific method and
expanding it, you know, even does the scientific method need

(38:47):
to expand to include consciousness, consciousness evolution? To let you know,
there's so much happening that I can't even articulate, but
I feel it, I see it, I know it. I
see it when people light up, when people pople are
amazed at their own consciousness or extrasensory abilities and thinking,
oh man, it's not just about what I can see,

(39:10):
It's really about what I can believe, And unlimiting my beliefs.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
It's so funny you mentioned that because I right before
this chat, I had just got off of a zoom
call with two other PhDs and a pretty well known
journalist to discuss working on a paper that investigates just that,
the standards of evidence and how we view evidence in
the context of law and experiential evidence and eyewitness accounts,

(39:38):
and the standards of evidence versus what people's worldviews are
and how much it challenges it or how willing people
are to accept it, and this sort of spectrum, this
matrix of sorts, and it was so revealing to us
to talk about it in very quantitative terms, also qualitative terms,
and to really try to dig into what is evidence
because a lot of people, you know, especially these celebrities scientists,

(40:01):
will blow off anything because the evidence isn't there. Well,
they have such a narrow view of evidence that of
course nothing's going to conform to that. But you have
to recognize that there's a lot of kinds of evidence,
and we know that very intricately. And anthropology, because we
can't do experimental studies on human beings. You can't just
take babies and make some baby's smoke and other babies

(40:21):
not smoke like there's ethics involved. You're very aware of that.
So we use observational studies, which still will give you
a ton of information. But yeah, it's not the same
as highly quantitative laboratory studies where cause and effect can
be easily determined because you have all these other cofactors
taken out, but we can still learn. So it pains

(40:42):
me to see that we have all these scientists not
doing their jobs because they're hung up on the standards
of evidence in this very limited, reductionist, materialistic view of
how the world works. And absolutely we have to move
past that. And you know that's interesting too. You mentioned
the driving thing. I'd drive, but my wife's kind of
taken over the driving because I do that exact same thing.

(41:05):
I'll drive and I'll get to where I'm going. I'm like,
how did I get here? I don't remember any of it, Like,
I'm just somewhere else, but I'm stopping for traffic lates,
I'm not running over anyone, or I did drive off
the road once. Yeah, But but there are things that
you know about our perception of time, and it's really
interesting that your clock time also correlated with your perception

(41:29):
of time and multiple.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Times, multiple times.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
I mean it was mind blowing to me, and I
mean I would get out of the car and be like,
you have to see this, but you know, and I
should have taken and I don't think I ever took
a picture but of it to time stamp it because that,
you know.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
I just I was so fascinated.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
But I could, yes, and I can practice that today
because you know, I could practice it today and maybe
I will, and maybe anybody out there should practice it
today because we all know what it feels like to
get to and from somewhere and we're like, wait, where
did time go?

Speaker 1 (41:58):
What just happened?

Speaker 3 (41:59):
Where was or change in the rate of time. I
talk about this in my first book a lot in
the context of what is time? But yeah, you're in
a car crash and everything slows down and you're moving
like this, but it's still happening at the speed that
outside observers would would see it. But you feel the
passage of time differently, and how things seem to move

(42:19):
faster as we get older versus a child who is
just bored out of their minds in the same period
of time. But yeah, I've had one experience where clock
time was also affected by my perception. A clock just
stopped for upwards of fifteen minutes, and I kept looking
at it, very aware that time was passing, conversations are
happening all around me, but that clock wasn't moving, not

(42:42):
because there's something wrong with the clock, because I had
other ones too. I were a wristwatch back then, but
time just seemingly stopped, but all of this movement still
going on around me. It was extremely confusing, the only
experience I've had like that. But I definitely understand the
sort of zoning out and the way that time appears
to move during during driving, especially especially routes that you've

(43:04):
taken before. If it's a new route, that doesn't happen
to me, like my brain is very much involved.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Yeah, it's a familiar because it's almost like an entrainment,
a cohesion. You know, you're used to the routine, you're
used to the pattern, You've traversed that place multiple times,
so there's almost like you know, there's energetic resonance that's
there that's creating a time loop. Would go back to
doctor Krepel and time and time loops and and and

(43:30):
that dialogue you know, you brought up something else that
just I thought about trauma, you know oftentimes, and I
see this, I've seen it for myself. I mean, I've
had my extra sensory and psychic abilities since I was young.
I didn't know how to express them, but trauma opened
those abilities up for the better or for worse. You know,

(43:51):
it's it's you know, very painful traumatic events helped me,
and I'm saying, helped me learn how to dissociate, to
drop into an altered state of consciousnesses, disassociate from my body.
And at the time, you know, I wouldn't wish those
things or events upon anyone, but it was preparing me
for using my brain and my cognition and consciousness in

(44:13):
a different way and in a healthy way. But the
other thing, I think about the pandemic as collective trauma
and how you know, it was a prolonged traumatic event.
So to me, that would change some time space if
you think about a prolonged trauma instead of an event
like a car crash. I watched my dad die in

(44:33):
front of me in a you know, in a matter
of about an hour. It was pretty traumatic. I've you know,
I've had multiple traumas like that. But but the pandemic
was traumatic. I work with a professor who studies trauma
and intense massive sex trafficking, you know those that kind
of I mean, we all have traumas, different levels of trauma,

(44:54):
but really intense trauma and what that looks like and
how we heal it and how we facilitate healing and
therapy through that. But if you look at the pandemic
as a trauma and potentially opening a new level of consciousness,
people are isolating. We are experiencing suicide rates, mental health challenges, anxiety,

(45:18):
depression at rates that are unprecedented and growing. And people
who I know personally who have personal and spiritual toolkits
and practices and are conscious of, you know, what they
need to be doing to respond to their mental health
are not getting relief like a really really biologically, neurologically, physiologically,

(45:41):
and spiritually struggling at rates. And that's why I'm saying
to me, we have this public health crisis, that is
how do we approach it? And I think the old
ways of approaching things are coming to an end, you know,
or maybe not an end, They're evolving. Maybe that's a
better way for me.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
To frame that definitely. I mean, we're always evolving in
everything we do. It's painfully slow at times, especially when
you're talking about public policy and right, yeah, things like that,
but yeah, you can definitely see that progress. And it's funny.
As you were talking about trauma, I was having this
memory like I just read about this. Where the hell

(46:20):
was I reading about this? And then finally remember it
was a book called Why We Dream? But it was
really interesting the way in which our dreams help us
heal loss of loved ones, anxiety and stress about aspects
of our jobs or our lives, or divorce or whatever
it is our in our dream state, which I would

(46:41):
argue is the closest connection that we have on a
daily basis to this universal consciousness. I even have come
to think this is just a work in hypothesis, that
it's a time when we upload information from this physical
world into the massive database that is this evolving human
consciousness or versaal source consciousness, whatever it is. But during

(47:03):
those times, especially during realms sleep, we're also dealing with
personal issues, yes, and especially stress and trauma that we
have in our lives. And the author gave a number
of really interesting case studies of how that happens. So yeah,
I mean even outside of our waking state. I meanly
we're dealing with trauma, and that's a timeless space to
do it. We sort of leave our bodies in a

(47:26):
sense and enter that same realm.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Yes, you just hit on something that I share with people,
and I have done this for over a decade. You
just hit on something that I share with people. And
I have done this for over a decade, and I
do it more often than not, let's say, six days
out of the week, you know, unless I am just
dead tired and fall asleep without thinking about it when

(47:52):
I go to bed. And this evolved from Jane Roberts
and Seth Material and the idea of talking to my
higher self my oversoul. So not only saying my prayers
at night or whatever it may be, but I would
specifically address my higher self and my oversoul and I
would say, hey Soul, Hey higher self, Hey oversoul. You know,
while I'm sleeping at night, Amanda needs to regenerate. Amanda

(48:15):
needs to revitalize. I know you're doing lots of work
out there and it's important, but make sure my consciousness integrates,
holy and fully she is, you know, she is sovereign
in this timeline. This is where her power is. Yet,
help me, you know, understand my place or what I'm
working through so I can synthesize that and then experience
it in my waking state. Put me in front of

(48:36):
the right people, places experiences to trigger or activate. I mean,
that's how my dialogue is. And now it's almost like
I think it and therefore it is. I mean, it's
that telepathic and quick. But I would know what I'm
spouting out to you, what to say to my soul,
And it was like I've done this forever, and I
share that with people all the time, like hey, when
you say your prayers or do your nightly routine, talk

(48:58):
to your soul and do it with like emphasis.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Hey soul, hey you Hey.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
There, I appreciate you, but I am important. I need
to wake up, revitalized. Help me work through this stuff.
Let's do this in tandem, you know, and connect me
to that higher you know, consciousness.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
All of those things.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
There are so many practical ways to engage and and
one one thing I want to point out to everybody listening,
and let me ask you, this is the author Alice
rob I look that up. When you ask Alice why
why we dream? So I'm gonna why we dream, Alice
Rob I'm going to check that out because that's very
much of interest to me. But you know, as far

(49:37):
as doctor Masters books and other books and authors we've
mentioned today, if any of that has peaked your curiosity,
follow that breadcrumb.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
That's what works for me.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Is just like hearing you with George Nori when I
was frustrated that evening, you know, doing the dishes, like
why don't I have answers? Who am I going to
talk to about this? And then I'm like, well, let
me just listen to an episode of Coast to Coast.
I mean, like I just put it on and there
you were, and it validated in also this new frame
of reference in a way that I said, Okay, okay,

(50:09):
I've got some answers, and now I know where to
look to better understand and formulate my beliefs and my
evolving beliefs, this biology of my own beliefs.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
And another one, just since we're talking about other author breadcrumbs,
is is Julia Mosbridge with regard to the higher self
and speaking with her future itself, you know, because it's recognition,
this timeless spiritual essence that we have and Eric Wargo
as well. Yes, book time loops the way that yeah,

(50:40):
sort of integrate information from the future into our past.
And there's so many great resources that that I feel
are just below the surface of the mainstream, like they
sort of push in in different places. But yeah, people
like Donald Hoffman, Dean Raiden, there's so many that are
doing all of this incredible work, oftentimes highly validated, repeatable

(51:05):
experimental research that just still gets brushed aside because of
that knee jerk reaction to anything that doesn't conform to
these standards that we've established for the scientific method and
for evidence. But yeah, there's probably more answers and that
stuff than there is with a lot of cosmologists that
are studying space time without knowing what space time is
and emergent from. So yeah, I would definitely encourage people

(51:29):
to check out the works of those that are at
the boundaries of science. But that's going to be as
those boundaries move, that's going to be the core of
our knowledge at some point in the future, you know.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
In wrapping up, and I want to touch on your
new book because one of the things I want to
share with you about that book because it is a satire,
a science fiction. It's not a book, an academic book.
Yet you have all of this wealth of knowledge that
you bring, so there is this essence to it, I'm sure.
And I haven't gotten to read it yet, so I'm excited.

(52:00):
But I want you to talk a little bit about it.
And you know, I mean, it must have been fun
and exciting and creative for you. But what I want
to share is, you know, in like Jane Roberts and
the Seth Material years ago, she wrote a quote unquote
fiction book, the Trilogy of Over Souls seven.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Have you ever read that?

Speaker 2 (52:20):
It's three books, and I think it might be the
other way around, the Over Soul seven trilogy, and it
talks about our over soul and somewhat this hierarchy of
the over Soul. And there's this character who is essentially
just trying to manage and corral, like herding cats, these
various souls in the future and you know, in three

(52:42):
or four or five different timelines, and and he's got
you know, a mentor above him, and it's just it's
utter hysteria and chaos. And it gave me even though
it was you know, I mean, and she had experienced
quite a bit through Seth and her channeling and her experiences.
So when you wrote this fiction book to me, I

(53:04):
correlated many many of my beliefs and understanding about time,
talking to my higher self, the over sol past versions
of me, future versions of me, and us working in
tandem as a team, because oftentime I can feel out
of sorts or a little a little bit depressed, or

(53:24):
just extremely exhausted, and there is nothing evidentially in my
day to day experience to just say, gosh, Amanda, you
should be so tired. I slept well, I'm eating well,
I've exercised, I don't have too terribly much on my plate.
You know what is contributing to this? And sometimes I'll say,
oh my gosh, this isn't me. This is another version
of me bleeding through, that is actually going through something

(53:48):
that is exhaustive or traumatic. And I am feeling it
because I feel like time space and that continuum is
shifting and we've got bleed through, which I think contributes
to this denseness in mental health and the anxiety and
all the things. It's all correlating, and I think it's
almost time just somehow interconnecting. But I think it's versions

(54:11):
of ourselves, So.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
I think so too. Yeah, yeah, And it almost feels
like there's a resonance because I've experienced that exact same thing,
where a lot of times when you're highly present and
in your body and your mind is connected to your body,
there's there's sort of an acceleration of resonance to the waves.
But then there's a deconstructive resonance too at times, or
you feel like you're just a little ahead or a

(54:32):
little behind and they're just deconstructing that vibrational energy to
some stuff. I felt that I've never tried to articulate
it until now because I've definitely felt the same thing
you just described. But yeah, I've gotten that sense too
that it's just a little mismatch of time, whether it's
a bleed through with another aspect of time or a

(54:54):
dimension we're not aware of, or linear time as we
perceive it.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
And maybe it's in there.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Yeah, it's it's both and and that's where I get curious,
and so I'll play with it a bit. And if
i've like, let's say, I'm just all of a sudden,
like having heart palpitations for no apparent reason, I'm not stressed.
I've you know, had whatever, like no apparent reason. I
will literally just pause and say, is this mine? Is
this Amanda's literally just in my mind's I tell is

(55:21):
this mine? And I immediately get a yes or no?
And if it's no, I'll say is this another version
of myself? And I'll get a yes or no? And
so I'm either and if I get a yes, then
I'm like, Okay, whatever you're going through, I'm beaming you love,
I'm beaming you clarity. I am regulating your you know,
your neurological systems, like whatever it is. And it's like

(55:41):
care bear staring. I mean like it's like if you
can think it, you know, and it's got to be
comical because I kind of laugh, you know. It's like
is this is this real or not? But to me
it is. But sometimes when I get the answer that
it's not Amanda's and it's not another version of myself,
It is just something I am feeling from that collective
hive of consciousness that is actually not my to necessarily process,

(56:01):
but for me to give more love to or more
compassion to, rather than take on the frustration or the irritability.
And I think when we can utilize new tools like
that to really be aware and present of our body,
our symptoms, our physiology, and to be able to start
working with consciousness and new and expanded and very accessible

(56:24):
in practical ways.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
Yeah, very practical. It doesn't even stopping everything and meditating,
you know. I just finished I was on sabbatical for
the last year and it was extremely busy, but then
I would also be bored. And I've never been much
of a reader because of my dyslexi. It's always made
it hard. But audiobooks have been great because I don't
have to worry about that. I just listened to it

(56:46):
and speaking to this point, I just finished recently, Eckert
tole is The Power of Now, which is entirely about that, you.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Know, and you listen to it. Did you listen to
it on audio?

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Because he's kind of hypnotic, right, and oh my god.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
So much. Yeah. If I'm not out, we are doing
something that'll put me asleep because so hypnotic. Yeah, it
really is. In his second book, to the World something
I forget what it's called, but yeah, it just it
was so helpful for me because, like we were talking about,
always felt just a little off in time. But then
if I just stop and like folk, because I've never
really I'm presentism has always been not sensical in the

(57:25):
context of the block universe and the existence of all
of these other moments. But his point, which sort of
bridge this disconnect for me, is that you still feel
that now it's the only thing that you actually feel,
and so it helps with anxiety and yeah, the heart
palpitations and the panic attacks, and just to be present
in that moment, like, well, what else is there who

(57:45):
cares about any of those things? And then you can
emerge from that with this sort of deeper calm that
you get from just living in that moment. So it's
been this cool bridge between the block universe and presentism,
but in like a theoretical versus a practical way, and
it's been really good for my mental health. And a

(58:06):
lot of the things he said I just resonate with,
and they're not overly complex ideas, but that just make
a lot of sense, And especially when he pools and
aspects of Eastern mysticism and spiritualism and all of these
different worldviews that have existed long before Christianity and sort
of the Western worldview. So yeah, No, I think that's great.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Okay, So share, I know, like we keep you know,
running on different tangents that I'm totally enjoying. But share
a little bit about your novel and the genesis of that,
and just a little bit about it, because it is
it's totally a different departure but still in the same genre.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
Yeah, So there's a couple of things at play here.
Like I said, I was on sabbatical. I had this
TV project that was going to be the main thing
I did, and very sadly, the CEO fell and hit
his head and died and they couldn't continue with the
project that we're in production, at least in the developmental stage.
And he was such a great guy, and I had

(59:06):
a great way of viewing UFO phenomenon, and our approach
dovetail so beautifully because we wanted to keep it scientific
and you know, but still make it entertaining. And he
flew out a crew of people here and we shot
a sizzle reveal and made the pitch deck and everything,
and his brother was actually the cameraman, so I got
to know his brother really well with her here and
so yeah, I was very tragic. And then I'm like, well,

(59:29):
what the hell am I going to do on sabbatical?
And I had conferences lined up, and you know, obviously
conversations like these, which I really enjoy, but I needed
something to do or I go insane and start annoying
my family.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
You kind of have a project, yeah, a project? Yeah, no,
I get it.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Yeah. So I just sort of one morning, I dropped
off the kids at the school bus and I, you know,
spare the details, but I went outside and just kind
of communed with nature. And then my wife's like, so,
you know, what'd you come up with? And I was like, well,
I'm gonna write another book. Oh yeah, I kind of
figured you would. But it's not going to be the
same kind of book. It's it's going to be a

(01:00:06):
time travel novel, and it's written for a very different audience.
So I'll come out and say, right now, there's crass language,
highly sexual situations, rampant drug use. But it's also a
hard science novel, Like I really do bring in a
lot of the same things I've learned in writing the
first two books about the physics of how a lot
of these things might work. And it's also the time

(01:00:29):
traveler time travelers are anthropologists who visit these different periods,
and yeah, like you were alluding to earlier. A lot
of times we write fiction and then you get done
and you're like, there might be a lot of truth
to this. Yeah, like there might be a lot of
little nuggets of information in here that are actually true.
So it's hard, you know, to express that. And I

(01:00:50):
had to write it as fiction. And it's very satirical
to get away with some of the things because you
think back to George Carlin and Richard Pryor and they
could make the jokes because they're drawing attention to aspects
of society that we oftentimes overlook, you know, and putting
it in the framework of comedy, because I've been told
it's a very funny book allows you to sort of

(01:01:11):
examine those things in a different way. So it's yeah,
it's still about this idea of time traveling future humans,
but the things they do and the way they do them,
and the effects of those things make for an interesting
and I've been told hilarious story.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Well, and you know, laughter is an incredible medicine as
we know, it raises our vibration and frequency. And I
tell you what Oftentimes, when I'm talking to people and
working with clients, I will say, oh my gosh, you know,
I'm like, practice some self care and we'll go through
what is specific to them that makes sense. And I'll
also be like, Okay, watch TV, and I said, I'm

(01:01:50):
not talking about binge watching TV for three days and
going down.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
A rabbit hole.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
But allow yourself to be present and immersed in something
that is fanciful or creative or funny or sometimes you know,
I can be drawn to very dark, mysterious things, but
a lot of times it when I am consciously in
that space of also just being present and allowing myself
to just in train with with some of that energy,

(01:02:17):
I will get insights and ideas and put puzzle pieces together.
So it's it's really to me fascinating that we can
access higher levels of consciousness evolve through very practical, seemingly
mundane things, and also through you know, new practices and

(01:02:38):
ways that we can expand our conscious and get curious
and in digging into whatever peaks our interests and exploring it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
So yeah, and after for me is that main thing
outside of a couple UFO podcasts, all of the other
ones I listened to are comedy podcasts like this is
Important Smart Yeah Obrian podcast. There's one that actually combines
both the cryptid factor with Leon Kirkbeck.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
I'll have to check that out, the rypt.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Derby and Dan Schreiber because they're hilarious. But it's all
about UFOs, encryptids and stuff. So it's this beautiful mix.
And if you know, I sometimes get stressed out, not
when I'm at conferences or giving talks, but in the
transportation aspect of it. And so I won't listen to
any of these podcasts for like a month, save them
all up. And then that's how I deal with the

(01:03:29):
stress of traveling and being around massive hordes of people
and in these tiny little climate control death pods that
they make us flying, even though we have UFO technology
or we could get to Paris and.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Too he exactly, we still, you know, and we know
that that's probably that technology is available to us, and
you know, we can go down the whole disclosure, you know,
rabbit hole, but it's you know, that's not the nature.
But I want to thank you for not only your
time today and all of your expertise and remarkable research,

(01:03:58):
but also your conscious and your open heart, you know,
and that's one of the things that when I heard
you years ago and you know, was able to get
your first book and all those things tracted, I was like, gosh,
this is such an accessible guy. You know, he's academic
and he's doing the research, but he's very accessible and relatable.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
And that to me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Is it's such a human a human experience when we
can connect because two heads, two minds, two bits of consciousness,
it just elevates us. So I really want to thank
you for your time.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Yeah, well, thank you. And I mean if these conversations
weren't had in these public forums, we wouldn't be able
to do that. See, it was cool that our connections
started through that that same thing. Yeah, you're talking to
people about ideas, so that's great.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Well, everyone out there, definitely, you know, check out doctor
Michael Masters. He's got a really massive YouTube channel with
one video on it, so so maybe that's not gonna
be your best place, but you'll get a little taste.
And there are other interviews out there, but also his
books and anything that we mentioned today, Definitely anything that

(01:05:11):
piqued your curiosity. This is a really ripe time to
follow it, to follow those breadcrumbs and see see what
doors open up, See what ideas open up, See who
it you know who that facilitates putting in front of you.
This is a great time to expand not only our
consciousness and our minds, but also our circle of influence.

(01:05:32):
And I think we can do that virtually. We live
in a pretty virtual world where we can really connect
with other inspiring people who are asking the same questions
in different ways. So really, really, again, I appreciate you
being on. It's been so much fun, and you know,
I've totally enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Everybody. Yeah, Okay, we'll totally do it again sometime. Everybody,
take care.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Definitely, if you enjoyed this, like share and subscribe and
just have a great day.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
M HM.

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