May 6, 2020 • 44 mins
In getting along without live sports, we look back at the last two times we had to get along without baseball, and how some Special Teams emerged. You won’t believe the details in how MLB decided to play out the season in 1981 after having it interrupted due to a player’s strike. (First-half champions? Second half-champions? Possible second-half second place playoff teams? Changing managers mid-season after clinching a playoff berth?) And while the 1994 lockout has been well-documented due to the missed opportunities for Ken Griffey, Jr., Matt Williams & Tony Gwynn, we focus on three other big stories that haven’t nearly gotten the attention they deserve - including possibly the worst year any MLB division has ever had.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Special Teams, a production of My Heart Radio
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Greetings and Welcome inside Special Teams Jason Smith and Mike
Harmon from Fox Sports Radio. Every week we take a
look at a team and I put that in quotes
because we get to play with the format quite a
bit here on the show. One individual year in sports
and what made them so memorable. With no sports having
been going on this way for a while now due
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to the coronavirus pandemic, we thought this might be a
good time to look back at some of the Special
Teams in the years in which we had work stoppages
and we didn't have any games. This will be the
Major League Baseball Strikes and Lockouts edition as we look
back at two specific years in which the Major League
Baseball season got interrupted. At one point, it got interrupted
for the rest of the year, and we look back
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and see what teams were robbed, what teams were set
to have great seasons, maybe win the World Series, big
time records that could have been broken. So this is
the Baseball Strikes and Lockout Podcasts with Special Teams. I'm Jason,
and the man you're gonna hear right now is Mike Arming.
Absolute madness. We've seen it. We talked about labor piece
and take it for granted, right because we talked about
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the giant piles of money and players and sometimes they
stick their feet in their mouths Hi Patrick ewing Uh
from your NBA sessions. Yes, we make a lot of money,
but we spend a lot of much on infamous quote
from the NBA world. But all the mechanics of trying
to put this thing back together and as we've talked
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about a lot with the pandemic, trying to figure out
how to get it back together again, what makes sense,
what's the next iteration? How do you make it function?
What's fair, what's right? And how do you bring two
sides together to say, all right, here's how we're gonna
Frankenstein together a season. And as we're about to talk
about it gets a little bit uh odd. So what
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was the first strike slash lockout? We're gonna look back
at the night one Major League Baseball strike which began,
as many other seasons we're going to we had Fernando Mania.
This is when Fernando Valenzuela made his debut. And you know,
for people who were born later, what was Fernando Valenzuela.
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What was Fernando Mania like? It was kind of like
what Lynsanity was with the Nix and Jeremy lit a
few years ago. And every time Fernando Valenzuelo would pitch,
look at this who is this guy? He closes his eyes,
he looks up to the sky. I mean, everywhere you
went it was about Fernando Mania. So you know, being
a lusty I used to uh pull out the Fernando
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to the mound that big wind up. Okay, all right,
and here's still kind of ocasionally one would get away
and a guy to have to wear it, but blust
that one. I'm doing my Fernando impression. But I got
hit in the face. Yeah. Sorry. I love throwing the
ball like Fernando valence Whille. It's what I do. Never
hit anybody in the face. Uh to four eight e
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r A. All the complete games. I mean, just fantastic
stuff from from this kid or so we were totally
he was a kid, yeah as a kid, never matter.
It was so Fernando valence Whala debuting for the Dodgers
on the West Coast. People didn't get a chance to
see him. The mystery was there for him. It was awesome.
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Another big highlight before the MLB striking eighty one Paul
Tucking in Rochester Triple A teams played a thirty three
inning game, a game that had to be settled a
different day because they decided finally after thirty two winnings
were done playing. It was Easter Sunday and these two
teams had to finish a game a few months later.
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And I'm telling you, I read the book Bottom of
the Thirty Three, which came out a few years ago.
It is one of the top three sports books of
all time. It is so incredibly interesting because the the
author goes into um life on Pawtucket and what life
was like, and there's stuff on Cal Ripken and Wade
Boggs and Rich Gedman and what happened to all the
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players playing in this game that went thirty three innings
and fans who were at the game, And it's like
you're reading a great fictional book about a thirty three
ning baseball game, except it was real. And I'm telling
you I I read sports books all the time. Bottom
of the Thirty three one of the best sports books
you could possibly buy and read. It was it was
just fantastic. And the thing is, I read it knowing
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full well I forgot who won the game, so I
didn't go look up or anything I want to go.
I kind of want to be surprised. And then as
I read the beginning that I go, oh, okay, I
think this guy is big for a big reason. All right,
we'll get to that. But it is. It is like
one of those books that John You'd figured John Feinstein
would write and he would take all this time to
do research on these teams. It is just that good.
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And this was Pawtucket in Rochester, so the major I
used to go to the live school library and I
take out whatever sports book I couldn't to do book reports.
And eventually they banned me from taking any sports books out.
Wow you got because you never returned them. It was
like on the nineteen nineteen White Sox, I still have it. Sorry, no, no,
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But it'd be like, you just get a book report
on the the Yankees two weeks ago. I don't care
about the history of the insert teen here. It's like, no,
you will, and I'm gonna tell you why it's compelling. Next.
For three years, I did a book report on the
baseball Life of Sandy Kofax, Like, I know so much
about Sandy Kolfax's life because for three years I did it,
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and then one for the fourth year. I think it
was like fifth or sixth grade. I went to do
it and I couldn't find the book, and I said, Mom,
where's my Sandy Colfax book? She said, I threw it
out because I wasn't gonna have you do another book
report on that book. Read something else. I'm like, okay,
you meanwhile, like I never read. I read all the time.
I just want to do a you know, book report
on Sandy co Fax again. But she threw the book away.
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I just like, Sandy co Fast, what do you want
from me? So the season begins and the players strike
on June twelfth. This was over free agency compensation. The
owners wanted compensation for free agents to sign in other places.
In other words, kind kind of like the NFL. You
trade a guy, you lose a guy, you get you
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get a compensatory draft pick. Well, the owners wanted compensation
if a free agent one of their players went and
signed someplace else. The players said, wait a minute, that
doesn't mean we really have free agency. It's you know,
it's almost like a trade. So this is what they
struck on. There were fifty plus games missed, and I'm
gonna tell you exactly what happened to finish the season here,
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and you're gonna say, no way, major League Baseball is
not gonna do that. No, this is exactly what they did. No.
But Jason, I mean, remember, people are well well aware
of what a guy like Rob Man for a dozen't
do in the job now, the Astros and Red Sox
decisions here in so anything else you say that a
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commissioner did, I gotta think people kind of shrug at
this point, going yeah, I'll buy that. Yeah, but this
was easy stuff. It wasn't well Rob Man for his
easy stuff too, so he had easy stuff. They did
what the players strike on June twelve, and they missed
fifty games before they recommenced the season. What Baseball decided
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was all those teams that were in first place on
June twelve of the four divisions, because this is back
when Major League Baseball was just n least n L West,
A least n L a L West, they were the
first half winners. So these four teams that won the
first half clinch playoff berths. So that means Oakland, the Yankees, Philadelphia,
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and the Dodgers all clinch playoff spots. So no matter
what they did in the second half of the season,
they were in the playoffs. I mean, how insane's going
on three on vacation. We just decided to stop on
the twelve. Oh yeah, you're in the playoffs. Oh that's awesome,
Thank you so much so management, it was come. It
was insane, right. So now the first question is, okay,
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what if the same team wins the division in the
second half of the season. That was a problem. So
Major League Baseball decided, well, if a team wins both has,
they would have to play the team who finished second
in their division in the second half. Okay, So that
that's how it went. So you could win your division
at the second half of the year, but it doesn't
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matter because you would still have to play the team
that finished second in the second half. That's how baseball
said that, instead of just picking up the season where
they were and finishing it, no, no, no, we're gonna
do this crazy ask first half second half thing, which
doesn't make any sense. So that's what Major League Baseball
decides to do. First half winners, I want to play
the second half. I mean, how do how do you?
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That's like something an eight year old kid would come
up with. But the meeting to where this gets agreed to,
I mean, there's so many, so many problems with it
without even researching anything else, just all right, you win
both both halves. Why don't you get a buy instead
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of another team? Hey, you know what, you get the
bonus round because this team dominated both halves. How does
that make any sense? You still have to play even
though you're the best team. But wait a minute, it
wasn't that said a couple of a couple like two
minutes ago. You're not gonna believe a major league Baseball
didn't And who was the one who said, well you
see what Rob Manford's done. I think people believe it. No, no, no,
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it's absolutely insane. You came full circle in two minutes.
To my point. No, it's Look, I can still see
how it gets under the table. I just don't see
how it's not swept away. That's that's the point I'm
trying to make it. Who's like a lot of decisions,
Like you know, when I worked at yah who years ago,
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we'd be sitting in these meetings that would become two
to three hours long and somewhat everybody got to have
their say, and they'd start an idea, and after about
three sentences, you knew why it wouldn't work for twelve reasons,
so I'd cut it off at the past. In my
next annual review, you know what it said. Stop being
from Chicago, California. People don't work like this. You have
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to let everybody have their say. I'm like, I was
had three hours and fifteen minutes for this meeting, and
I actually still have to get my work done, as
opposed to a lot of these folks that just said, look,
I give you eight hours. I'll see n hell. I
actually cared that we were getting a job done, so
I would live there if I needed to to make
sure we got it done. Sitting here in this meeting
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listening to bad ideas doesn't work. This is a bad
idea that should have never stayed on the table. And
and here's how bad of an idea was. Let me
just take you through a couple of things that happened
because of this. So now baseball is back in their
play instead of just saying we're gonna pick up the
seats and play another you know, they decide to take
the schedule from where it sits. Right, so at the
end of the year, teams play an odd number of games.
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It's not like everybody played a hundred and twenty get no, no, no, no.
Some teams played one or two more games than everybody else,
and everybody played around a hundred and ten games, but
some played a hundred and twelves, some played a hundred nine.
I mean, how do you not even just have here's
the schedule for the rest of the year to make
it fair for everybody. Nope, Wh're just gonna have everybody
play whatever games you finished with you finished with. I mean,
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that's what Major League Baseball decides to do. The Yankees.
They win the first half, right, this is the first
time the Yankees have been good in a couple of years.
The Yankees win. Gene Michael is the manager of the Yankees.
Yankees win the first half. What happens over the strike
he has fired and replaced by Bob Lemon for the
second half of the season. So he wins the first
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half as Yankee manager and gets fired during the strike.
Apparently the Yankees didn't like how he struck uh and
so I mean, oh, that's this was peak Steinbrenner. I mean,
I mean, this is a guy that took over the Yankees,
and and first thing he did was say, the following
players need to get a haircut. And they read out
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the numbers of the players, you know, and they were
all cheering, going, I gotta get a haircut. But this
is the beginning of peak Steinbrenner. You're you're firing your manager.
He just won the first half, and your fireman replacing
him for the second half of the year. Look at
look at that lineup they were fielding in nine one though,
Just to go back down memory lane, Rick Serones, your catcher,
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Bob Watson. Respect Bob Watson. He did a lot of
things from Major League Baseball after he retired. Long long
time exact right Willie Randolph, Bucky Blank and Dent, Greg Nettles.
Just one of my strata matic teams. Jerry Mumfrey and
center field with Windfield and Reggie Jackson on either side
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of him, and then Bobby Mercers, your d h coming
off the bench, the legendary hair of Oscar Gamble and
Bob Watson. I think he scored the one millions run
in baseball history. If I'm not mistake, I believe that
he was as he on a home run. And I
think it came down to the fact that, like they
knew the millions run was going to be scored the
next day, if I'm not mistake, in my baseball history,
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they knew the millions run was gonna be scored, and
everybody was tearing asked around the basis to try to score.
And I think Watson hit a home run in the
first inning of a game, and he crossed the plate
like ten seconds before somebody else did, like scoring from
first on a single, you know, because they wanted to
be the guy to scored the million run. If I'm
not mistaken, I think that's how it went for Bob Watson.
So he scored from second on the three run homer
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by Milt May Milt May Mit Candlestick Park. But I mean,
is that like, did he win a Lanka Vision kind
of experiencer. Yeah, I don't know about I don't know
what he did. What do you get for that? Here's
your Laurel and Hardy handshake Bob Watson to congratulations. So
the Yankees fire Gene Michael. They fired their manager. The
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red Heads wind up with the best record in baseball
sixties six and forty two. They don't make the playoffs
because they finished second in the n L West the
first half and they finished second in the n L
West the second half. This is because their last game
of the season, they get knocked out because the Braves
beat them. Bob Horner hits to how how good was
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Bob Horner? Bob Horner hits two horror runs and he
scores the game winning run and the Braves beat the Reds,
knocking the Reds out. They finished second in the first
half they finished in the second half. They actually had
a the Reds actually had a like a uh something
on the field of like a ceremony in which they
had a bantner that said Baseball's best record. But you know,
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they didn't make the playoffs. They were trying to. It's
like the Cults when they celebrated a FC South champions
and they put the banner up a few years ago.
Oh yeah, when they when they made the a f
C title game and they lost the right right right
Colts you and now they have that stupid seas for
Cookie logo. So the Reds don't get to make it.
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Neither do the Cardinals who had a great record, and
we get to the playoffs, and the playoffs are a
completely separate story entirely way. Do you year how that
turned out? Coming up next right here on Special Teams.
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Time to continue on here on Special Teams. As we
look back at the last time we saw some sports
that either didn't have a season or parts of a season,
or we're broken up by a strike or a lockout.
We're looking back at the Major League Baseball season, and
when we last spoke, we were set up for the
playoffs finally, the first half division winners playing the second
half division winners. The Expos made the playoffs in one
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for the only time in franchise history until the Nationals
in two thousand and twelve. Now, the Expos back in
the early eighties were so talented. I remember playing Strata
Matic and another homemade baseball games. I always wanted to
be the Exposed because they always hit the ball. I mean,
this was Gary Carter and Tim Raynes and Andre Dawson,
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Larry Parrish, Warren Crow, Marty Ellis Valentine who had the
half football helmet because he got hit with cheek and
he would have the half football helmet to protect him.
I mean, the all they did was matched the ball
in Montreal was fantastic and the only time they made
the playoffs, so they moved to Washington two thousand twelve.
That was a scary lineup, up and down. I mean,
just consistent hitters throughout that, throughout that that roster, and
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Jerry Manuel was on there. I gotta give a shout
out to the old one. Uh. And let's face it,
there were a couple of years that the Expos had
had in Major League Baseball history that you know, you
can celebrate a cast of all stars. So yeah, and
it's always and it's always strike here the X that
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is right, that is when they had they were at
their best. Yeah, whenever there's a season that's gonna be
cut shorter, we haven't straight. Yeah, we're gonna be great.
That's the Expos are there. So this is the series.
They lose to the Dodgers in five games. Rick Monday
hits the big home run of the ninth inning. The
Expos actually put the tying run at second base in
the bottom of the ninth, but the Dodgers get out
of it. The Dodgers beat the exposed the Expos go home.
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And I remember listening to this game in the car
with my grandfather. I think we were picking up my
grandmother from the airport and my my grandfather. We were
big Mets fans, both of us. But the playoffs are on,
and I was rooting for the Expos because you know,
the Expos were a new team, right. He's like, oh
my god, the Expos are right. They play in Canada.
How cool is that? But my grandfather grew up a
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Dodgers fan because obviously, you know, the Mets didn't come
around until you know, the nineteen sixties. And so we're
listening to this aim in the car and we'll listen
to Game five and the Expos rob. I'm like, oh
my god, the Expos and I'm excited, and he gets
mad and he keep quiet in the back. You're only
rooting for the Expos because I'm rooting for the Dodgers.
I see what you're doing, and I go, no, I'm
not just the Exposer fun and he was, no, you're
only rooting for them because you don't you want you
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want me to lose. And I'm going, oh my god,
this is a conversation. I can't believe I'm having here
as a ten year old kid. But yet that was
the conversation. I was apparently rooting for the expos just
despite my grandfather. Well, I mean some folks take things
personally and they need they needed needed to combatant. Maybe
that was the thing. There was something else you did
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and he was mad about, but he decided to make
it up out the next Yeah, I'm sure I just
forgot to take the garbage out, and he got you know,
I meant mad at me for that. I mean so
many things come around too. He would just work himself
up all the time. He's one of those of those
people that when he got mad at you for a
little thing, it didn't matter because the little thing would
then mushroom. Like he could say, hey, can you bring
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my glass upstairs and put in the sink when you
go upstairs? Sure? Pop, And then like you know, I
woke upstairs for forty five minutes and I'll forget. In
forty five minutes, I go upstairs, I forget to bring
the glass. You've got to bring my glass up And
I knew, oh, this is just the beginning. And then
it went from I forgot to bring the glass up
to then like I forgot to bring the garbage out.
Then it was I didn't do good on the test,
and then it was something I did a year ago,
and I'm going, when does it stop? Like how high
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do we go to stop? I mean where? Where? Where?
Where is the endpoint of this? It could come anytime,
so I knew just the tiniest thing was it. And
he was mad at me. But then thankfully the Dodgers
won and he was okay, and then they were gonna
go to the World Series, and I was obviously rooting
for the Dodgers then, so then we got along pretty well.
So the Dodgers go to the World Series in the
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National League, and this was the American League, the first
playoff appearance for the Milwaukee Brewers. This was kind of
the launch of what would later on be Harvey's Wallbangers,
but not quite yet because he he wasn't a manager.
But this was such a fun team. And growing up
as I did hating the Yankees, I spent a lot
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of time. Look, the Mets were terrible, so it wasn't like,
you know, all the men, but I was always like, really,
you were really rooting against the Yankees. So I had
deep deep knowledge of the A L East, and all
the teams were really good, and Milwaukee was so much
fun because they were a lot like the Expos. All
they did was hit. I mean this was Ted Simmons
and Paul Mallet or Cecil Cooper, Ben Ogilvie Gorman, Thomas
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Robin Young who was still a short stop at this point,
Jim Gantler, I mean, this was this was a team
that all they did was hit. And they made a
big trade with the Cardinals that year to get Raleigh
Fingers and Pete Vukovic who would go on to be
a star of Major League as first baseman. But this team,
I mean, this was going anywhere and meet about nine.
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So this team was incredibly talented. This was the beginning
of their run. They would get to the World Series,
but not this year. But all they did was hit.
I mean this was top to bottom. I think Jim
Gantler was the worst hitter in the lineup, and this
is a guy like he would have bat third for
the Mets. I mean that's that's how That's how good
of a team this was. You've got m v ps
and Hall of famers on this team. It was insane.
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How good they were in the trade. They get to
throw Pete Vukovic. You're throwing a number one picture and
one of the best closures in baseball. I mean, I
don't know how the Brewers didn't go and win the
World Series this year. I'll tell you what that was.
You want to talk strata matic teams, that was the
strata matic team to go to war with those couple
of years they're in Milwaukee. But yeah, I mean talent
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top to bottom and guys that maybe don't get remembered
outside of Milwaukee as much as they should. But yeah,
ultimately it comes down to one of those classic matchups
and the the perennial powerhouses making it through what was
a very odd season. It's almost like you just said,
you know what, this has been crazy. But if we
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get to that series on the coast, everybody will free
give us and it'll be okay. And that's that. Look,
that's what happened. Bob Lemon manages the Yankees to the
World Series. Gene Michael couldn't do it. So the second
half pick up. So I got big news. We we
we got somebody new coming in to help us. Oh great, great?
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What is is? It? Is? It? A player we got. No,
you're fired, and somebody else is gonna manage the team.
Get out. So the Yankees make the World Series and
and look, the entire world was expecting it to be
just like it was in seventy seven and seventy eight,
three years earlier, when the Yankees beat the Dodgers four
games to two. They beat him again four games to two.
A lot of the same players for the Dodgers, a
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few different ones. This begins the Dodgers big rookie of
the year run Fernando Valence, Walla, Steve Sacks. All these
players they had were great. The Yankees were expecting Dave
Winfield to carry them in the World Series, and he
had a horrendous World Series. It was awful. He didn't
get his first hit, I think, until Game four, and
I remember him asking for the ball at first base.
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Like the Yankees are losing the World Series. He doesn't
get his first hit until the series is almost over
and he's asking for the ball at Frank, you have
the ball. That's my first world here, can have the ball,
can have the ball. Yankee fans went crazy on him
when that happened. Dave Winfield went from he is the
toast of the town. He looked San Diego Padres superstar.
Who the Yankees getting. George Steinbrenner is is is talking
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about World Series with Winfield. He was the big get
for them, and then he turned into Mr May That
was Steinbrenner's big nickname for Dave Winfield was Mr. May
was he was good during the regular season when it
wasn't as important, but he wasn't Mr October, which was
Reggie Jackson's nickname, because Reggie Jackson would come through in
the clutch. So again, this is Pete. George Steinbrenner and
Dave Winfield bore a lot of the brunt of the
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criticism for the Yankees losing the World Series of the Dodgers, well,
I mean, it's funny because you know, you get off
to a two game to nothing lead, so it's like,
all right, your cursin unless you're not. Uh. And for
Dave Winfield, famously, I mean a guy with talent to
play pretty much anything he wanted to in professional sports
and was supposed to be the guy. And then eventually
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it us lead from him into Don mattig Lely and
they were supposed to tag team and be beasts and
had a couple of big years statistically but didn't result
in anything. Uh and you saw it on full display here.
I wonder if he still has that ball. I'm sure
he does. This is the ball. It's better one. You
see this ball right here, through it through Steinbretterer's window.
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Now I was happy the Dodgers when I was stunned
because I really thought the Yankees are gonna find a
way to win. And putting a cap on this incredibly
crazy season. The m v P of the World Series
was Ron Say and Pedro Guerrero and Steve Yeager. Three
players shared the m v P in the World Series. Now,
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Ron Say, they all had good World Series. Ron Say
hit three fifty knocked in six runs. Pedro Guerrero hit
three thirty knocked in seven runs. Steve Yeager had a
couple of home runs. He knocked in four runs. You
couldn't pick one of those guys. You couldn't pick Indrow,
You couldn't pick Ron Say. I mean you gotta pick
all three. It's it's all three of the head four
hits in the series. He wins m v P. I mean,
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I don't get an I don't don't get four four
hits and fourteen at bats two him runs four rb
I and he gets to hold the hardware. He's probably
made a lot of money through the years with that inscription. Oh,
I'm sure are you kidding? People say, oh, Steve Yeager,
are you that test pilot that broke the speed of
so out? No, that's Chuck Yeager. I'm Steve Yeager, catcher
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for the Dodgers, And he was the one. Steve Yeager
was the one who came up with the throat protector
on the on the helmet because he got hit in
the throat once. He goes I don't like that feeling.
And he's got he came up with the throat protector.
I bet he's a billionaire because hopefully kept the rights
to it. But he should be a billionaire for that.
I hope he got the patent on that. Oh, that
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would guess the patents always he didn't get the patent.
Patent pending, patent pending. I mean, you've got problems. I
I can't imagine a year like that again happening in
Major League Baseball. That's how baseball decides to get through
the strike and have this happened, and you have the
best team's sidelined because you know, they just had the
misfortune to not be in first place the day of
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the strike and falling just short at the end of
the season. Yeah. No, between social media and what is
now sports talk radio and sports television, there's no chance
that because that's gonna get leaked to someone for the
as a test balloon, that that's what they're thinking of,
just like during the pandemic. You know, hey, we'll play
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baseball here. No, you don't like that, we'll play baseball there,
and then we'll do this. You know, there were a
couple of fun things in that season surrounding UH that
are great historical notes not necessarily tied to the strike.
Go ahead and can I lay it? Absolutely? Go ahead?
All right? So uh, I'm gonna say the best for less.
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July eleven, Williams, Well, that's it and I'll sing it
later to uh. July eleventh, the Pirates signed an undrafted
amateur free agent, Bobby Nia And who knew seventy five
years later the Mets would still be paying one of
the famous contracts. Uh. The Wrigley family sold the Cups
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to the Tribune for twenty million dollars dollars Yeah, that's
pretty good, all right. And I have one last one
that you're gonna love. In the amateur draft in June,
right before the strike, the New York Mets decided with
the twelve pick to select a young fireballer named Roger Clements.
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Instead of deciding to sign with the Mets, he decides
to attend the University of Texas and Austin become a Longhorn,
and then later goes to the Red Sox and the
as the nineteenth overall pick in the Major League Baseball
Draft and the rest is history. Yeah, that that's that's
how works out for the Mets. He goes seven spots
lower in the night. I'm gonna go back. I'm gonna
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go to school and improve, And you want up getting
taken later and you turn into a Hall of Famer. Yeah, well,
alleged alleged Hall of Famer, Hall of Fame, Hall of
Fame qualities, but not quite a Hall of Famer. Don't
even get me started on that. Nonse. Yeah, you know
how I feel about all that mess. So that's the
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one Major League Baseball strike coming up next? What about
the nineteen MLB lockouts? Some things you probably weren't aware
of that went on the year, there was no World Series.
That's coming up next right here on the Special Team's podcast.
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So he said goodbye to one MLB strike and jump
ahead of the MLB lockout, which the regular season ended
on August eleven. This was a story that has been
chronicled many different times in many different ways over the
past few years. We're gonna try to bring you some
things that maybe it didn't remember of what surrounded this season.
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It ended, as I said, August eleventh, and it was
a day that we knew was coming, all right. This
is when I was a production assistant at ESPN. On
Sports Center, we covered the upcoming MLB lockout where the
owners locked the players out every single day. The last
game was an Oakland A's game. In the very famous
shot of the fan at the A's game wearing a
jail suit uh with the date on there, like the
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players and the fans are being held hostage and being
put in jail by the owners. Why there's no baseball?
I remember we showed minor league baseball highlights on ESPN
and ESPN two while the strike was going on. It
was it was it was just what do we do
for programming? Now we're in the middle of August, a
football is not really starting. We don't have a lot
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of football highlights to show well, and let's show minor
league baseball highlights. So we did well. And back then
we didn't show training camp footage ad nauseam like we
do now, right. I mean, you didn't know you would
be every you would get like a three minute whip
around of oh here is here is Fred Edelstein, and
(30:25):
here's forty five seconds from Raiders camp, and then here's
Mark Schwartz who was at Rams camp for another forty
five seconds, and and oh it's it's it's gonna be
in at training camp. Whip around. It's gonna be you know,
two and a half minutes of sports and I meanwhile,
that's like an entire show now on ESPN NFL, I
will focus on these three teams. But back then that's
what you had. No that that's it's just come such
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a long way. I mean you think about thank four,
I mean, pre Internet, pre any of our social media
fun and they there wasn't not to say we didn't
have the first for it, but it was one you
didn't you didn't know what you wanted yet because you
hadn't been exposed to it. It was where we go. Yeah,
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I mean, baseball was the daily. Hey you needed something
for beat writers, and here's the latest quote out of
the clubhouse or whatever else with football until it got
in season whatever. Uh, And then most of that was
carried the torch was carried in each market by the
local beat reporters for the newspapers. Right, there's no sports
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in sports talk radio is in its infancy at this point,
so you don't have the quote machines that you would
and the arguments that you have now would be, Hey,
here's a little something and a little bit of a snippet,
and it would be a stock photo that would be
up on the screen. I mean, that's just the way
it worked. Or here's video from last year. You might
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remember this player. When they canceled the World Series. There
was a big press conference when new was coming and
Bud Ceiling put out a an announcement on a piece
of paper and everybody, all the media who was attending,
and he wouldn't say the World Series was canceled. He
put out a piece of paper, a press release saying
the World Series is canceled. And he started off by saying, Okay,
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so you've all seen the release. Uh, let's talk about
it now. He wasn't gonna be the guy to say
the World Series is canceled because he knew that's what
they would replay ad nauseam for him for the rest
of his life, so he wouldn't. He couldn't own it, right,
He couldn't own the fact, couldn't be the guy to
say the World Series is canceled because I'm not gonna
have that be something that I am known for for
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the rest of my career. And now at this point,
it was a lost season for all of us, right,
Even you've heard many times Ken Griffey and Matt Williams
were on pace to potentially break the home run hitting record.
Matt Williams had forty three. He actually was better than Griffy.
Tony Gwynn was hitting three. Potentially he was gonna hit
four hundred. But there's three other stories that from the
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season that are worth getting into for a few minutes,
because this is stuff that people forget about. The first
thing is that the best team in Major League Baseball,
just like it probably was in one the Montreal Expos,
they were in first place, they were rolling. They were loaded,
They had the best record. They had five All Stars
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on this team. They had Boyses the lou Marquis Grissom,
Mike Lansing who was really good early in his career,
Larry Walker, Cliff Floyd, he got Pedro Martinez, Ken Hill,
Jeff Facero on the mound. This was a loaded team.
This is ken Hill. When you know he was ken Hill.
Oh my goodness, look at this guy. If he could
just extend his arm all the way out instead of
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short arming the ball, maybe you could throw even harder.
But this team was loaded. They were in first place
and there was no World Series. So for the second
time we have a stoppage. The Expos are really good
and they don't get to play in the World Series
seventy four and forty. At that time, I forget what
year it was. I want to say it was maybe
two or three years hence maybe a little deeper into
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the decade. But at one point there was just the
huge graphic of you know, between the two starting teams
in this All Star Game tonight, Uh, we could put
together a full roster of Montreal Expos alumni. Right. We
was just one of those things where you just had
star after star that moved on to other occupations. I mean,
for me, it was a huge summer because Frank Thomas
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was just absolutely mashing. The White Sox had sixty seven wins,
and this looked like a team that could compete with
the Yankees maybe and and battle for the a L pen.
It instead, it goes into the wayside. Right, great, Frank
Thomas gets an m v P Award, but beyond that,
it doesn't. It doesn't resonate to anything else other than
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what might be. So the expos again gets screwed. But
now let's look at the American League West, because you
examine this and you say, there's no way this is
mathematically possible. In first place in the a L West.
On August eleven, now, so this is a This is
a month and a half before the end of the season,
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the Texas Rangers were in first place. Their record was
fifty two and sixty two. They were ten games under
five hundred, and they were in first place. The Angels
were forty seven and sixty eight. Alright, so they're twenty
one games under five hundred. They're five and a half
games out right, They're still in striking distance with a
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month and a half to go, and the team, Oh
my goodness, this is this is probably the worst division
in modern baseball history. Your team in the in the
middle of August, not even a five. I get where
sometimes maybe the team is at five hundred middle of
August and all right, you know, you make a big
run at the end of the year to win the division.
Win nine games, you in ninety games. You're a bad
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division winner. Ten games under five hundred, ten games under.
In the Rangers were division leaders in the A L West,
and now everybody would cry saying they shouldn't be about
to be anyway. You have playoffs aera. Oh yeah, yeah,
you can't have him in. He can't be can't be
under five hundred win the division. I mean, well, it's
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it's like the first and half, first and second half
winners we were talking about before. You don't qualify, so
there's no random random team gets selected. I'd like to
think at some point somebody would have gotten over five
d and in that to it. But I don't know. Man,
your ten games under in the middle of August, I
don't know that. You get up there maybe when eighty
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some odd game, maybe win eight eight five games, and
you win the division. But you gotta go on a
huge run to win eighty five games. You gotta win
thirty of your last games to get there, saying there's
a chance. Oh, I mean, that's just then there needs
to be a documentary just on that. That's really it is.
That's the worst division in modern baseball history. Uh. And
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this it's like everybody in the a f C East
got the Patriots, but at least they had the Patriot
It had it there. The third story surrounds the Yankees,
who are the best team in the American League. Now
this was big because this was the first time the
Yankees were really good in a long time. Right. We
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go back to eighty one, they had won the World
Series and in seventies seven and seventy eight, Orioles go
to the World Series. In seventy nine and the Royals
go to the World Series and eighty when George Brett
hits up three run Titanic home runoff Goose Gossage to
help win the al Pennant. The Yankees get to the
World Series and eighty one and they lose to the
Dodgers and then that's it. And they hadn't been there
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in a long time, like they hadn't been to the
playoffs since the strike. Here they would have been in
the playoffs. They likely would have had a good postseason
run because this was the beginning of the new Yankee
dynasty that dominated from for the next ten or fifteen years.
I mean, this was the birth that didn't have everybody
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on the team. Obviously Derek Jeter was a couple of
years away, but you still had Paul on you. You
had some guys who who formed the crux of the
Yankee dynasty that began with the World Series in Now,
the weird part about this is that Don Mattingly retired
after the season, right, so we started with the Yankees
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after they went to the World Series. This was his
year right to go to the playoffs. And looked, Don
Mattingly was the best first baseman in Major League Baseball
for a few years. He could hit the ball to
every field. Early in his career, he was a guy
that could pull that that when he pulled the ball
was great, but he would hit lazy fly ball to
left field. Then he figured out how to go the
other way and he would hit three thirty and as
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good as Keith her Nandez was and you know how
much I love Keith R. Nandez. Matting Lee could hit better.
I mean, Carnandez is a better fielding first Cornanda is
one of the best fielding first basements in the history
of the game. Down hitting the ball, matting Lee was
a better hitter. I mean at that point, Mattie, he
was more consistent. He could hit the ball to all
kinds of fields. He plays one more year and retires.
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Mattingly come in after they go to the World Series
and retires the year before their run, never getting to
the postseason. Fan about never winning a World Series. Mattingly,
he's one of the best first basement of that decade.
Plus never even got to play in the playoff game.
Yeah no, that's that's the U one of the more
amazing careers. I just remember following him, and I mean
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I was doing all the training cards stuff and shows,
And what got me hooked was at one point all
the short printage Mattingly rookie and second year stuff that
found its way off the back of rail cards into
this UH shop we used to go into UH. So
we watched him keenly because we were invested in him
and that deep crouch that he had and you know,
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whether he got hurt because of a horseplay in the clubhouse,
as some rumors they've denied, or just that that crouch
came out. Remember Kevin Moss hit the same way, and
once they changed his stands, he was never the same
player either, bloat out and you say, wonder if the
work on his back, because he would explode out and
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would actually increase his strike zone. And it was to
see him hit the ball that way to be able
to to time it the way he was. Every ball
was hit so hard, you know, and not many watching him, no,
And it's one of the gifts that we had. Right,
We're always talking about Boggs and I mean abow to
the the altar of Tony Gwynn. Who I mean, it
was just a master at the plate. I mean Tom
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Mattingly was that good. I don't think he gets remembered,
perhaps as fondly as he should, because he didn't get
any of that postseason glory, right, I mean, he want
a ton of gold gloves, just like you're you're guy
Keith and Anders in New York pretty much owned that
that award part of the banquet. Hey, can we just
give him the guys in New York. Head cool, that
(40:47):
saved us ten minutes. Move on, obviously you had that,
but I mean Matting Maddingley was a hell of a player,
and it's it's always sad that his timing was so
bad on the front and back ends of his career. Well,
you mentioned timing, and this brings us to Buck show Walter,
Yankee manager who never really enjoyed the success like he
did early on in his managerial career. Now show Walter
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left the team after the season. Right, the Yankees make
the playoffs, they lose that incredible series to the Seattle Mariners,
the series that everyone says, say baseball in Seattle, this
was Griffey and a Right was a phenomenal uh campaign
and the famous video you see of Griffey scoring the
game winning run and jumping up after he crosses home plate.
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So after that year was over, this is still peak
Steinbrenner going on, Buck Showalter has offered a two year
contract extension, but he's got to fire his hitting coach
Rick down a Right. So here's a contract extension. You
just we nearly made the World Series. We got great
players on the way. We've got this Jeter guy coming up,
who's gonna be really, really good, But you gotta fire
your hitting coach. Buck show Walter said no, I'm not
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doing it, and he resigned. Who doesn't do that now?
Oh you want me to fire my hitting coach to
stay manager? Yeah? Okay, Rick, Sorry you're fired, dude. Yeah,
I'm the same manager of the y the Yankees. With
the Yankees, the Yankees win the World Series the next year, Right,
so show Walter could have been there because he's a
good manager. Right, Buck Shalter is a good manager. I'm
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sure they would have won with show Walter. Right, So
he Seinfeld too, he he was not as good as
Keith Hernandez. But then so show Walter goes and manages
the Diamondbacks, and the diamond Backs have good teams. I
remember the Mets beat the diamond Backs to move on
in the playoffs, and diamond Backs were good. But eventually
he got fired by Arizona. Got fired after the two
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thousand year where the Mets beat them and went to
the World Series. What happened in two thousand one, the
Arizona Diamondbacks beat the Yankees to win the World Series.
So Bucks show Walter was a year away for winning
the World series on two teams and he wound up
quitting or getting fired right before that team would win
it all. I mean, that's that's just bad timing. That's
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bad luck, bad time. Uh you know, it's there's histories. Literally,
I think we've probably got a book or two out
of just that topic. Uh as as we talk about
it right now. But I mean, come back, Luis Gonzalez
in the Man of All home runs and then I
don't think he had a cheaper hit, Yeah, because the
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Yankees had the infield in you know they were Otherwise
it would have been an easy out and the run
doesn't score from third. You got it works. So there
is our look back at the years where strikes and
not playing affected Major League Baseball. Jason Smith and Mike
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Greetings and Welcome inside Special Teams Jason Smith and Mike
Harmon from Fox Sports Radio. Every week we take a
look at a team and I put that in quotes
because we get to play with the format quite a
bit here on the show. One individual year in sports
and what made them so memorable. With no sports having
been going on this way for a while now due
(00:42):
to the coronavirus pandemic, we thought this might be a
good time to look back at some of the Special
Teams in the years in which we had work stoppages
and we didn't have any games. This will be the
Major League Baseball Strikes and Lockouts edition as we look
back at two specific years in which the Major League
Baseball season got interrupted. At one point, it got interrupted
for the rest of the year, and we look back
(01:03):
and see what teams were robbed, what teams were set
to have great seasons, maybe win the World Series, big
time records that could have been broken. So this is
the Baseball Strikes and Lockout Podcasts with Special Teams. I'm Jason,
and the man you're gonna hear right now is Mike Arming.
Absolute madness. We've seen it. We talked about labor piece
and take it for granted, right because we talked about
(01:24):
the giant piles of money and players and sometimes they
stick their feet in their mouths Hi Patrick ewing Uh
from your NBA sessions. Yes, we make a lot of money,
but we spend a lot of much on infamous quote
from the NBA world. But all the mechanics of trying
to put this thing back together and as we've talked
(01:47):
about a lot with the pandemic, trying to figure out
how to get it back together again, what makes sense,
what's the next iteration? How do you make it function?
What's fair, what's right? And how do you bring two
sides together to say, all right, here's how we're gonna
Frankenstein together a season. And as we're about to talk
about it gets a little bit uh odd. So what
(02:10):
was the first strike slash lockout? We're gonna look back
at the night one Major League Baseball strike which began,
as many other seasons we're going to we had Fernando Mania.
This is when Fernando Valenzuela made his debut. And you know,
for people who were born later, what was Fernando Valenzuela.
(02:32):
What was Fernando Mania like? It was kind of like
what Lynsanity was with the Nix and Jeremy lit a
few years ago. And every time Fernando Valenzuelo would pitch,
look at this who is this guy? He closes his eyes,
he looks up to the sky. I mean, everywhere you
went it was about Fernando Mania. So you know, being
a lusty I used to uh pull out the Fernando
(02:53):
to the mound that big wind up. Okay, all right,
and here's still kind of ocasionally one would get away
and a guy to have to wear it, but blust
that one. I'm doing my Fernando impression. But I got
hit in the face. Yeah. Sorry. I love throwing the
ball like Fernando valence Whille. It's what I do. Never
hit anybody in the face. Uh to four eight e
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r A. All the complete games. I mean, just fantastic
stuff from from this kid or so we were totally
he was a kid, yeah as a kid, never matter.
It was so Fernando valence Whala debuting for the Dodgers
on the West Coast. People didn't get a chance to
see him. The mystery was there for him. It was awesome.
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Another big highlight before the MLB striking eighty one Paul
Tucking in Rochester Triple A teams played a thirty three
inning game, a game that had to be settled a
different day because they decided finally after thirty two winnings
were done playing. It was Easter Sunday and these two
teams had to finish a game a few months later.
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And I'm telling you, I read the book Bottom of
the Thirty Three, which came out a few years ago.
It is one of the top three sports books of
all time. It is so incredibly interesting because the the
author goes into um life on Pawtucket and what life
was like, and there's stuff on Cal Ripken and Wade
Boggs and Rich Gedman and what happened to all the
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players playing in this game that went thirty three innings
and fans who were at the game, And it's like
you're reading a great fictional book about a thirty three
ning baseball game, except it was real. And I'm telling
you I I read sports books all the time. Bottom
of the Thirty three one of the best sports books
you could possibly buy and read. It was it was
just fantastic. And the thing is, I read it knowing
(04:41):
full well I forgot who won the game, so I
didn't go look up or anything I want to go.
I kind of want to be surprised. And then as
I read the beginning that I go, oh, okay, I
think this guy is big for a big reason. All right,
we'll get to that. But it is. It is like
one of those books that John You'd figured John Feinstein
would write and he would take all this time to
do research on these teams. It is just that good.
(05:03):
And this was Pawtucket in Rochester, so the major I
used to go to the live school library and I
take out whatever sports book I couldn't to do book reports.
And eventually they banned me from taking any sports books out.
Wow you got because you never returned them. It was
like on the nineteen nineteen White Sox, I still have it. Sorry, no, no,
(05:25):
But it'd be like, you just get a book report
on the the Yankees two weeks ago. I don't care
about the history of the insert teen here. It's like, no,
you will, and I'm gonna tell you why it's compelling. Next.
For three years, I did a book report on the
baseball Life of Sandy Kofax, Like, I know so much
about Sandy Kolfax's life because for three years I did it,
(05:46):
and then one for the fourth year. I think it
was like fifth or sixth grade. I went to do
it and I couldn't find the book, and I said, Mom,
where's my Sandy Colfax book? She said, I threw it
out because I wasn't gonna have you do another book
report on that book. Read something else. I'm like, okay,
you meanwhile, like I never read. I read all the time.
I just want to do a you know, book report
on Sandy co Fax again. But she threw the book away.
(06:08):
I just like, Sandy co Fast, what do you want
from me? So the season begins and the players strike
on June twelfth. This was over free agency compensation. The
owners wanted compensation for free agents to sign in other places.
In other words, kind kind of like the NFL. You
trade a guy, you lose a guy, you get you
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get a compensatory draft pick. Well, the owners wanted compensation
if a free agent one of their players went and
signed someplace else. The players said, wait a minute, that
doesn't mean we really have free agency. It's you know,
it's almost like a trade. So this is what they
struck on. There were fifty plus games missed, and I'm
gonna tell you exactly what happened to finish the season here,
(06:49):
and you're gonna say, no way, major League Baseball is
not gonna do that. No, this is exactly what they did. No.
But Jason, I mean, remember, people are well well aware
of what a guy like Rob Man for a dozen't
do in the job now, the Astros and Red Sox
decisions here in so anything else you say that a
(07:10):
commissioner did, I gotta think people kind of shrug at
this point, going yeah, I'll buy that. Yeah, but this
was easy stuff. It wasn't well Rob Man for his
easy stuff too, so he had easy stuff. They did
what the players strike on June twelve, and they missed
fifty games before they recommenced the season. What Baseball decided
(07:30):
was all those teams that were in first place on
June twelve of the four divisions, because this is back
when Major League Baseball was just n least n L West,
A least n L a L West, they were the
first half winners. So these four teams that won the
first half clinch playoff berths. So that means Oakland, the Yankees, Philadelphia,
(07:52):
and the Dodgers all clinch playoff spots. So no matter
what they did in the second half of the season,
they were in the playoffs. I mean, how insane's going
on three on vacation. We just decided to stop on
the twelve. Oh yeah, you're in the playoffs. Oh that's awesome,
Thank you so much so management, it was come. It
was insane, right. So now the first question is, okay,
(08:12):
what if the same team wins the division in the
second half of the season. That was a problem. So
Major League Baseball decided, well, if a team wins both has,
they would have to play the team who finished second
in their division in the second half. Okay, So that
that's how it went. So you could win your division
at the second half of the year, but it doesn't
(08:34):
matter because you would still have to play the team
that finished second in the second half. That's how baseball
said that, instead of just picking up the season where
they were and finishing it, no, no, no, we're gonna
do this crazy ask first half second half thing, which
doesn't make any sense. So that's what Major League Baseball
decides to do. First half winners, I want to play
the second half. I mean, how do how do you?
(08:57):
That's like something an eight year old kid would come
up with. But the meeting to where this gets agreed to,
I mean, there's so many, so many problems with it
without even researching anything else, just all right, you win
both both halves. Why don't you get a buy instead
(09:17):
of another team? Hey, you know what, you get the
bonus round because this team dominated both halves. How does
that make any sense? You still have to play even
though you're the best team. But wait a minute, it
wasn't that said a couple of a couple like two
minutes ago. You're not gonna believe a major league Baseball
didn't And who was the one who said, well you
see what Rob Manford's done. I think people believe it. No, no, no,
(09:40):
it's absolutely insane. You came full circle in two minutes.
To my point. No, it's Look, I can still see
how it gets under the table. I just don't see
how it's not swept away. That's that's the point I'm
trying to make it. Who's like a lot of decisions,
Like you know, when I worked at yah who years ago,
(10:01):
we'd be sitting in these meetings that would become two
to three hours long and somewhat everybody got to have
their say, and they'd start an idea, and after about
three sentences, you knew why it wouldn't work for twelve reasons,
so I'd cut it off at the past. In my
next annual review, you know what it said. Stop being
from Chicago, California. People don't work like this. You have
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to let everybody have their say. I'm like, I was
had three hours and fifteen minutes for this meeting, and
I actually still have to get my work done, as
opposed to a lot of these folks that just said, look,
I give you eight hours. I'll see n hell. I
actually cared that we were getting a job done, so
I would live there if I needed to to make
sure we got it done. Sitting here in this meeting
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listening to bad ideas doesn't work. This is a bad
idea that should have never stayed on the table. And
and here's how bad of an idea was. Let me
just take you through a couple of things that happened
because of this. So now baseball is back in their
play instead of just saying we're gonna pick up the
seats and play another you know, they decide to take
the schedule from where it sits. Right, so at the
end of the year, teams play an odd number of games.
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It's not like everybody played a hundred and twenty get no, no, no, no.
Some teams played one or two more games than everybody else,
and everybody played around a hundred and ten games, but
some played a hundred and twelves, some played a hundred nine.
I mean, how do you not even just have here's
the schedule for the rest of the year to make
it fair for everybody. Nope, Wh're just gonna have everybody
play whatever games you finished with you finished with. I mean,
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that's what Major League Baseball decides to do. The Yankees.
They win the first half, right, this is the first
time the Yankees have been good in a couple of years.
The Yankees win. Gene Michael is the manager of the Yankees.
Yankees win the first half. What happens over the strike
he has fired and replaced by Bob Lemon for the
second half of the season. So he wins the first
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half as Yankee manager and gets fired during the strike.
Apparently the Yankees didn't like how he struck uh and
so I mean, oh, that's this was peak Steinbrenner. I mean,
I mean, this is a guy that took over the Yankees,
and and first thing he did was say, the following
players need to get a haircut. And they read out
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the numbers of the players, you know, and they were
all cheering, going, I gotta get a haircut. But this
is the beginning of peak Steinbrenner. You're you're firing your manager.
He just won the first half, and your fireman replacing
him for the second half of the year. Look at
look at that lineup they were fielding in nine one though,
Just to go back down memory lane, Rick Serones, your catcher,
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Bob Watson. Respect Bob Watson. He did a lot of
things from Major League Baseball after he retired. Long long
time exact right Willie Randolph, Bucky Blank and Dent, Greg Nettles.
Just one of my strata matic teams. Jerry Mumfrey and
center field with Windfield and Reggie Jackson on either side
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of him, and then Bobby Mercers, your d h coming
off the bench, the legendary hair of Oscar Gamble and
Bob Watson. I think he scored the one millions run
in baseball history. If I'm not mistake, I believe that
he was as he on a home run. And I
think it came down to the fact that, like they
knew the millions run was going to be scored the
next day, if I'm not mistake, in my baseball history,
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they knew the millions run was gonna be scored, and
everybody was tearing asked around the basis to try to score.
And I think Watson hit a home run in the
first inning of a game, and he crossed the plate
like ten seconds before somebody else did, like scoring from
first on a single, you know, because they wanted to
be the guy to scored the million run. If I'm
not mistaken, I think that's how it went for Bob Watson.
So he scored from second on the three run homer
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by Milt May Milt May Mit Candlestick Park. But I mean,
is that like, did he win a Lanka Vision kind
of experiencer. Yeah, I don't know about I don't know
what he did. What do you get for that? Here's
your Laurel and Hardy handshake Bob Watson to congratulations. So
the Yankees fire Gene Michael. They fired their manager. The
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red Heads wind up with the best record in baseball
sixties six and forty two. They don't make the playoffs
because they finished second in the n L West the
first half and they finished second in the n L
West the second half. This is because their last game
of the season, they get knocked out because the Braves
beat them. Bob Horner hits to how how good was
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Bob Horner? Bob Horner hits two horror runs and he
scores the game winning run and the Braves beat the Reds,
knocking the Reds out. They finished second in the first
half they finished in the second half. They actually had
a the Reds actually had a like a uh something
on the field of like a ceremony in which they
had a bantner that said Baseball's best record. But you know,
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they didn't make the playoffs. They were trying to. It's
like the Cults when they celebrated a FC South champions
and they put the banner up a few years ago.
Oh yeah, when they when they made the a f
C title game and they lost the right right right
Colts you and now they have that stupid seas for
Cookie logo. So the Reds don't get to make it.
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Neither do the Cardinals who had a great record, and
we get to the playoffs, and the playoffs are a
completely separate story entirely way. Do you year how that
turned out? Coming up next right here on Special Teams.
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Time to continue on here on Special Teams. As we
look back at the last time we saw some sports
that either didn't have a season or parts of a season,
or we're broken up by a strike or a lockout.
We're looking back at the Major League Baseball season, and
when we last spoke, we were set up for the
playoffs finally, the first half division winners playing the second
half division winners. The Expos made the playoffs in one
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for the only time in franchise history until the Nationals
in two thousand and twelve. Now, the Expos back in
the early eighties were so talented. I remember playing Strata
Matic and another homemade baseball games. I always wanted to
be the Exposed because they always hit the ball. I mean,
this was Gary Carter and Tim Raynes and Andre Dawson,
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Larry Parrish, Warren Crow, Marty Ellis Valentine who had the
half football helmet because he got hit with cheek and
he would have the half football helmet to protect him.
I mean, the all they did was matched the ball
in Montreal was fantastic and the only time they made
the playoffs, so they moved to Washington two thousand twelve.
That was a scary lineup, up and down. I mean,
just consistent hitters throughout that, throughout that that roster, and
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Jerry Manuel was on there. I gotta give a shout
out to the old one. Uh. And let's face it,
there were a couple of years that the Expos had
had in Major League Baseball history that you know, you
can celebrate a cast of all stars. So yeah, and
it's always and it's always strike here the X that
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is right, that is when they had they were at
their best. Yeah, whenever there's a season that's gonna be
cut shorter, we haven't straight. Yeah, we're gonna be great.
That's the Expos are there. So this is the series.
They lose to the Dodgers in five games. Rick Monday
hits the big home run of the ninth inning. The
Expos actually put the tying run at second base in
the bottom of the ninth, but the Dodgers get out
of it. The Dodgers beat the exposed the Expos go home.
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And I remember listening to this game in the car
with my grandfather. I think we were picking up my
grandmother from the airport and my my grandfather. We were
big Mets fans, both of us. But the playoffs are on,
and I was rooting for the Expos because you know,
the Expos were a new team, right. He's like, oh
my god, the Expos are right. They play in Canada.
How cool is that? But my grandfather grew up a
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Dodgers fan because obviously, you know, the Mets didn't come
around until you know, the nineteen sixties. And so we're
listening to this aim in the car and we'll listen
to Game five and the Expos rob. I'm like, oh
my god, the Expos and I'm excited, and he gets
mad and he keep quiet in the back. You're only
rooting for the Expos because I'm rooting for the Dodgers.
I see what you're doing, and I go, no, I'm
not just the Exposer fun and he was, no, you're
only rooting for them because you don't you want you
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want me to lose. And I'm going, oh my god,
this is a conversation. I can't believe I'm having here
as a ten year old kid. But yet that was
the conversation. I was apparently rooting for the expos just
despite my grandfather. Well, I mean some folks take things
personally and they need they needed needed to combatant. Maybe
that was the thing. There was something else you did
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and he was mad about, but he decided to make
it up out the next Yeah, I'm sure I just
forgot to take the garbage out, and he got you know,
I meant mad at me for that. I mean so
many things come around too. He would just work himself
up all the time. He's one of those of those
people that when he got mad at you for a
little thing, it didn't matter because the little thing would
then mushroom. Like he could say, hey, can you bring
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my glass upstairs and put in the sink when you
go upstairs? Sure? Pop, And then like you know, I
woke upstairs for forty five minutes and I'll forget. In
forty five minutes, I go upstairs, I forget to bring
the glass. You've got to bring my glass up And
I knew, oh, this is just the beginning. And then
it went from I forgot to bring the glass up
to then like I forgot to bring the garbage out.
Then it was I didn't do good on the test,
and then it was something I did a year ago,
and I'm going, when does it stop? Like how high
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do we go to stop? I mean where? Where? Where?
Where is the endpoint of this? It could come anytime,
so I knew just the tiniest thing was it. And
he was mad at me. But then thankfully the Dodgers
won and he was okay, and then they were gonna
go to the World Series, and I was obviously rooting
for the Dodgers then, so then we got along pretty well.
So the Dodgers go to the World Series in the
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National League, and this was the American League, the first
playoff appearance for the Milwaukee Brewers. This was kind of
the launch of what would later on be Harvey's Wallbangers,
but not quite yet because he he wasn't a manager.
But this was such a fun team. And growing up
as I did hating the Yankees, I spent a lot
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of time. Look, the Mets were terrible, so it wasn't like,
you know, all the men, but I was always like, really,
you were really rooting against the Yankees. So I had
deep deep knowledge of the A L East, and all
the teams were really good, and Milwaukee was so much
fun because they were a lot like the Expos. All
they did was hit. I mean this was Ted Simmons
and Paul Mallet or Cecil Cooper, Ben Ogilvie Gorman, Thomas
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Robin Young who was still a short stop at this point,
Jim Gantler, I mean, this was this was a team
that all they did was hit. And they made a
big trade with the Cardinals that year to get Raleigh
Fingers and Pete Vukovic who would go on to be
a star of Major League as first baseman. But this team,
I mean, this was going anywhere and meet about nine.
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So this team was incredibly talented. This was the beginning
of their run. They would get to the World Series,
but not this year. But all they did was hit.
I mean this was top to bottom. I think Jim
Gantler was the worst hitter in the lineup, and this
is a guy like he would have bat third for
the Mets. I mean that's that's how That's how good
of a team this was. You've got m v ps
and Hall of famers on this team. It was insane.
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How good they were in the trade. They get to
throw Pete Vukovic. You're throwing a number one picture and
one of the best closures in baseball. I mean, I
don't know how the Brewers didn't go and win the
World Series this year. I'll tell you what that was.
You want to talk strata matic teams, that was the
strata matic team to go to war with those couple
of years they're in Milwaukee. But yeah, I mean talent
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top to bottom and guys that maybe don't get remembered
outside of Milwaukee as much as they should. But yeah,
ultimately it comes down to one of those classic matchups
and the the perennial powerhouses making it through what was
a very odd season. It's almost like you just said,
you know what, this has been crazy. But if we
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get to that series on the coast, everybody will free
give us and it'll be okay. And that's that. Look,
that's what happened. Bob Lemon manages the Yankees to the
World Series. Gene Michael couldn't do it. So the second
half pick up. So I got big news. We we
we got somebody new coming in to help us. Oh great, great?
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What is is? It? Is? It? A player we got. No,
you're fired, and somebody else is gonna manage the team.
Get out. So the Yankees make the World Series and
and look, the entire world was expecting it to be
just like it was in seventy seven and seventy eight,
three years earlier, when the Yankees beat the Dodgers four
games to two. They beat him again four games to two.
A lot of the same players for the Dodgers, a
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few different ones. This begins the Dodgers big rookie of
the year run Fernando Valence, Walla, Steve Sacks. All these
players they had were great. The Yankees were expecting Dave
Winfield to carry them in the World Series, and he
had a horrendous World Series. It was awful. He didn't
get his first hit, I think, until Game four, and
I remember him asking for the ball at first base.
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Like the Yankees are losing the World Series. He doesn't
get his first hit until the series is almost over
and he's asking for the ball at Frank, you have
the ball. That's my first world here, can have the ball,
can have the ball. Yankee fans went crazy on him
when that happened. Dave Winfield went from he is the
toast of the town. He looked San Diego Padres superstar.
Who the Yankees getting. George Steinbrenner is is is talking
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about World Series with Winfield. He was the big get
for them, and then he turned into Mr May That
was Steinbrenner's big nickname for Dave Winfield was Mr. May
was he was good during the regular season when it
wasn't as important, but he wasn't Mr October, which was
Reggie Jackson's nickname, because Reggie Jackson would come through in
the clutch. So again, this is Pete. George Steinbrenner and
Dave Winfield bore a lot of the brunt of the
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criticism for the Yankees losing the World Series of the Dodgers, well,
I mean, it's funny because you know, you get off
to a two game to nothing lead, so it's like,
all right, your cursin unless you're not. Uh. And for
Dave Winfield, famously, I mean a guy with talent to
play pretty much anything he wanted to in professional sports
and was supposed to be the guy. And then eventually
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it us lead from him into Don mattig Lely and
they were supposed to tag team and be beasts and
had a couple of big years statistically but didn't result
in anything. Uh and you saw it on full display here.
I wonder if he still has that ball. I'm sure
he does. This is the ball. It's better one. You
see this ball right here, through it through Steinbretterer's window.
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Now I was happy the Dodgers when I was stunned
because I really thought the Yankees are gonna find a
way to win. And putting a cap on this incredibly
crazy season. The m v P of the World Series
was Ron Say and Pedro Guerrero and Steve Yeager. Three
players shared the m v P in the World Series. Now,
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Ron Say, they all had good World Series. Ron Say
hit three fifty knocked in six runs. Pedro Guerrero hit
three thirty knocked in seven runs. Steve Yeager had a
couple of home runs. He knocked in four runs. You
couldn't pick one of those guys. You couldn't pick Indrow,
You couldn't pick Ron Say. I mean you gotta pick
all three. It's it's all three of the head four
hits in the series. He wins m v P. I mean,
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I don't get an I don't don't get four four
hits and fourteen at bats two him runs four rb
I and he gets to hold the hardware. He's probably
made a lot of money through the years with that inscription. Oh,
I'm sure are you kidding? People say, oh, Steve Yeager,
are you that test pilot that broke the speed of
so out? No, that's Chuck Yeager. I'm Steve Yeager, catcher
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for the Dodgers, And he was the one. Steve Yeager
was the one who came up with the throat protector
on the on the helmet because he got hit in
the throat once. He goes I don't like that feeling.
And he's got he came up with the throat protector.
I bet he's a billionaire because hopefully kept the rights
to it. But he should be a billionaire for that.
I hope he got the patent on that. Oh, that
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would guess the patents always he didn't get the patent.
Patent pending, patent pending. I mean, you've got problems. I
I can't imagine a year like that again happening in
Major League Baseball. That's how baseball decides to get through
the strike and have this happened, and you have the
best team's sidelined because you know, they just had the
misfortune to not be in first place the day of
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the strike and falling just short at the end of
the season. Yeah. No, between social media and what is
now sports talk radio and sports television, there's no chance
that because that's gonna get leaked to someone for the
as a test balloon, that that's what they're thinking of,
just like during the pandemic. You know, hey, we'll play
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baseball here. No, you don't like that, we'll play baseball there,
and then we'll do this. You know, there were a
couple of fun things in that season surrounding UH that
are great historical notes not necessarily tied to the strike.
Go ahead and can I lay it? Absolutely? Go ahead?
All right? So uh, I'm gonna say the best for less.
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July eleven, Williams, Well, that's it and I'll sing it
later to uh. July eleventh, the Pirates signed an undrafted
amateur free agent, Bobby Nia And who knew seventy five
years later the Mets would still be paying one of
the famous contracts. Uh. The Wrigley family sold the Cups
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to the Tribune for twenty million dollars dollars Yeah, that's
pretty good, all right. And I have one last one
that you're gonna love. In the amateur draft in June,
right before the strike, the New York Mets decided with
the twelve pick to select a young fireballer named Roger Clements.
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Instead of deciding to sign with the Mets, he decides
to attend the University of Texas and Austin become a Longhorn,
and then later goes to the Red Sox and the
as the nineteenth overall pick in the Major League Baseball
Draft and the rest is history. Yeah, that that's that's
how works out for the Mets. He goes seven spots
lower in the night. I'm gonna go back. I'm gonna
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go to school and improve, And you want up getting
taken later and you turn into a Hall of Famer. Yeah, well,
alleged alleged Hall of Famer, Hall of Fame, Hall of
Fame qualities, but not quite a Hall of Famer. Don't
even get me started on that. Nonse. Yeah, you know
how I feel about all that mess. So that's the
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one Major League Baseball strike coming up next? What about
the nineteen MLB lockouts? Some things you probably weren't aware
of that went on the year, there was no World Series.
That's coming up next right here on the Special Team's podcast.
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So he said goodbye to one MLB strike and jump
ahead of the MLB lockout, which the regular season ended
on August eleven. This was a story that has been
chronicled many different times in many different ways over the
past few years. We're gonna try to bring you some
things that maybe it didn't remember of what surrounded this season.
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It ended, as I said, August eleventh, and it was
a day that we knew was coming, all right. This
is when I was a production assistant at ESPN. On
Sports Center, we covered the upcoming MLB lockout where the
owners locked the players out every single day. The last
game was an Oakland A's game. In the very famous
shot of the fan at the A's game wearing a
jail suit uh with the date on there, like the
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players and the fans are being held hostage and being
put in jail by the owners. Why there's no baseball?
I remember we showed minor league baseball highlights on ESPN
and ESPN two while the strike was going on. It
was it was it was just what do we do
for programming? Now we're in the middle of August, a
football is not really starting. We don't have a lot
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of football highlights to show well, and let's show minor
league baseball highlights. So we did well. And back then
we didn't show training camp footage ad nauseam like we
do now, right. I mean, you didn't know you would
be every you would get like a three minute whip
around of oh here is here is Fred Edelstein, and
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here's forty five seconds from Raiders camp, and then here's
Mark Schwartz who was at Rams camp for another forty
five seconds, and and oh it's it's it's gonna be
in at training camp. Whip around. It's gonna be you know,
two and a half minutes of sports and I meanwhile,
that's like an entire show now on ESPN NFL, I
will focus on these three teams. But back then that's
what you had. No that that's it's just come such
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a long way. I mean you think about thank four,
I mean, pre Internet, pre any of our social media
fun and they there wasn't not to say we didn't
have the first for it, but it was one you
didn't you didn't know what you wanted yet because you
hadn't been exposed to it. It was where we go. Yeah,
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I mean, baseball was the daily. Hey you needed something
for beat writers, and here's the latest quote out of
the clubhouse or whatever else with football until it got
in season whatever. Uh, And then most of that was
carried the torch was carried in each market by the
local beat reporters for the newspapers. Right, there's no sports
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in sports talk radio is in its infancy at this point,
so you don't have the quote machines that you would
and the arguments that you have now would be, Hey,
here's a little something and a little bit of a snippet,
and it would be a stock photo that would be
up on the screen. I mean, that's just the way
it worked. Or here's video from last year. You might
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remember this player. When they canceled the World Series. There
was a big press conference when new was coming and
Bud Ceiling put out a an announcement on a piece
of paper and everybody, all the media who was attending,
and he wouldn't say the World Series was canceled. He
put out a piece of paper, a press release saying
the World Series is canceled. And he started off by saying, Okay,
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so you've all seen the release. Uh, let's talk about
it now. He wasn't gonna be the guy to say
the World Series is canceled because he knew that's what
they would replay ad nauseam for him for the rest
of his life, so he wouldn't. He couldn't own it, right,
He couldn't own the fact, couldn't be the guy to
say the World Series is canceled because I'm not gonna
have that be something that I am known for for
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the rest of my career. And now at this point,
it was a lost season for all of us, right,
Even you've heard many times Ken Griffey and Matt Williams
were on pace to potentially break the home run hitting record.
Matt Williams had forty three. He actually was better than Griffy.
Tony Gwynn was hitting three. Potentially he was gonna hit
four hundred. But there's three other stories that from the
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season that are worth getting into for a few minutes,
because this is stuff that people forget about. The first
thing is that the best team in Major League Baseball,
just like it probably was in one the Montreal Expos,
they were in first place, they were rolling. They were loaded,
They had the best record. They had five All Stars
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on this team. They had Boyses the lou Marquis Grissom,
Mike Lansing who was really good early in his career,
Larry Walker, Cliff Floyd, he got Pedro Martinez, Ken Hill,
Jeff Facero on the mound. This was a loaded team.
This is ken Hill. When you know he was ken Hill.
Oh my goodness, look at this guy. If he could
just extend his arm all the way out instead of
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short arming the ball, maybe you could throw even harder.
But this team was loaded. They were in first place
and there was no World Series. So for the second
time we have a stoppage. The Expos are really good
and they don't get to play in the World Series
seventy four and forty. At that time, I forget what
year it was. I want to say it was maybe
two or three years hence maybe a little deeper into
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the decade. But at one point there was just the
huge graphic of you know, between the two starting teams
in this All Star Game tonight, Uh, we could put
together a full roster of Montreal Expos alumni. Right. We
was just one of those things where you just had
star after star that moved on to other occupations. I mean,
for me, it was a huge summer because Frank Thomas
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was just absolutely mashing. The White Sox had sixty seven wins,
and this looked like a team that could compete with
the Yankees maybe and and battle for the a L pen.
It instead, it goes into the wayside. Right, great, Frank
Thomas gets an m v P Award, but beyond that,
it doesn't. It doesn't resonate to anything else other than
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what might be. So the expos again gets screwed. But
now let's look at the American League West, because you
examine this and you say, there's no way this is
mathematically possible. In first place in the a L West.
On August eleven, now, so this is a This is
a month and a half before the end of the season,
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the Texas Rangers were in first place. Their record was
fifty two and sixty two. They were ten games under
five hundred, and they were in first place. The Angels
were forty seven and sixty eight. Alright, so they're twenty
one games under five hundred. They're five and a half
games out right, They're still in striking distance with a
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month and a half to go, and the team, Oh
my goodness, this is this is probably the worst division
in modern baseball history. Your team in the in the
middle of August, not even a five. I get where
sometimes maybe the team is at five hundred middle of
August and all right, you know, you make a big
run at the end of the year to win the division.
Win nine games, you in ninety games. You're a bad
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division winner. Ten games under five hundred, ten games under.
In the Rangers were division leaders in the A L West,
and now everybody would cry saying they shouldn't be about
to be anyway. You have playoffs aera. Oh yeah, yeah,
you can't have him in. He can't be can't be
under five hundred win the division. I mean, well, it's
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it's like the first and half, first and second half
winners we were talking about before. You don't qualify, so
there's no random random team gets selected. I'd like to
think at some point somebody would have gotten over five
d and in that to it. But I don't know. Man,
your ten games under in the middle of August, I
don't know that. You get up there maybe when eighty
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some odd game, maybe win eight eight five games, and
you win the division. But you gotta go on a
huge run to win eighty five games. You gotta win
thirty of your last games to get there, saying there's
a chance. Oh, I mean, that's just then there needs
to be a documentary just on that. That's really it is.
That's the worst division in modern baseball history. Uh. And
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this it's like everybody in the a f C East
got the Patriots, but at least they had the Patriot
It had it there. The third story surrounds the Yankees,
who are the best team in the American League. Now
this was big because this was the first time the
Yankees were really good in a long time. Right. We
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go back to eighty one, they had won the World
Series and in seventies seven and seventy eight, Orioles go
to the World Series. In seventy nine and the Royals
go to the World Series and eighty when George Brett
hits up three run Titanic home runoff Goose Gossage to
help win the al Pennant. The Yankees get to the
World Series and eighty one and they lose to the
Dodgers and then that's it. And they hadn't been there
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in a long time, like they hadn't been to the
playoffs since the strike. Here they would have been in
the playoffs. They likely would have had a good postseason
run because this was the beginning of the new Yankee
dynasty that dominated from for the next ten or fifteen years.
I mean, this was the birth that didn't have everybody
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on the team. Obviously Derek Jeter was a couple of
years away, but you still had Paul on you. You
had some guys who who formed the crux of the
Yankee dynasty that began with the World Series in Now,
the weird part about this is that Don Mattingly retired
after the season, right, so we started with the Yankees
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after they went to the World Series. This was his
year right to go to the playoffs. And looked, Don
Mattingly was the best first baseman in Major League Baseball
for a few years. He could hit the ball to
every field. Early in his career, he was a guy
that could pull that that when he pulled the ball
was great, but he would hit lazy fly ball to
left field. Then he figured out how to go the
other way and he would hit three thirty and as
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good as Keith her Nandez was and you know how
much I love Keith R. Nandez. Matting Lee could hit better.
I mean, Carnandez is a better fielding first Cornanda is
one of the best fielding first basements in the history
of the game. Down hitting the ball, matting Lee was
a better hitter. I mean at that point, Mattie, he
was more consistent. He could hit the ball to all
kinds of fields. He plays one more year and retires.
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Mattingly come in after they go to the World Series
and retires the year before their run, never getting to
the postseason. Fan about never winning a World Series. Mattingly,
he's one of the best first basement of that decade.
Plus never even got to play in the playoff game.
Yeah no, that's that's the U one of the more
amazing careers. I just remember following him, and I mean
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I was doing all the training cards stuff and shows,
And what got me hooked was at one point all
the short printage Mattingly rookie and second year stuff that
found its way off the back of rail cards into
this UH shop we used to go into UH. So
we watched him keenly because we were invested in him
and that deep crouch that he had and you know,
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whether he got hurt because of a horseplay in the clubhouse,
as some rumors they've denied, or just that that crouch
came out. Remember Kevin Moss hit the same way, and
once they changed his stands, he was never the same
player either, bloat out and you say, wonder if the
work on his back, because he would explode out and
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would actually increase his strike zone. And it was to
see him hit the ball that way to be able
to to time it the way he was. Every ball
was hit so hard, you know, and not many watching him, no,
And it's one of the gifts that we had. Right,
We're always talking about Boggs and I mean abow to
the the altar of Tony Gwynn. Who I mean, it
was just a master at the plate. I mean Tom
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Mattingly was that good. I don't think he gets remembered,
perhaps as fondly as he should, because he didn't get
any of that postseason glory, right, I mean, he want
a ton of gold gloves, just like you're you're guy
Keith and Anders in New York pretty much owned that
that award part of the banquet. Hey, can we just
give him the guys in New York. Head cool, that
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saved us ten minutes. Move on, obviously you had that,
but I mean Matting Maddingley was a hell of a player,
and it's it's always sad that his timing was so
bad on the front and back ends of his career. Well,
you mentioned timing, and this brings us to Buck show Walter,
Yankee manager who never really enjoyed the success like he
did early on in his managerial career. Now show Walter
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left the team after the season. Right, the Yankees make
the playoffs, they lose that incredible series to the Seattle Mariners,
the series that everyone says, say baseball in Seattle, this
was Griffey and a Right was a phenomenal uh campaign
and the famous video you see of Griffey scoring the
game winning run and jumping up after he crosses home plate.
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So after that year was over, this is still peak
Steinbrenner going on, Buck Showalter has offered a two year
contract extension, but he's got to fire his hitting coach
Rick down a Right. So here's a contract extension. You
just we nearly made the World Series. We got great
players on the way. We've got this Jeter guy coming up,
who's gonna be really, really good, But you gotta fire
your hitting coach. Buck show Walter said no, I'm not
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doing it, and he resigned. Who doesn't do that now?
Oh you want me to fire my hitting coach to
stay manager? Yeah? Okay, Rick, Sorry you're fired, dude. Yeah,
I'm the same manager of the y the Yankees. With
the Yankees, the Yankees win the World Series the next year, Right,
so show Walter could have been there because he's a
good manager. Right, Buck Shalter is a good manager. I'm
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sure they would have won with show Walter. Right, So
he Seinfeld too, he he was not as good as
Keith Hernandez. But then so show Walter goes and manages
the Diamondbacks, and the diamond Backs have good teams. I
remember the Mets beat the diamond Backs to move on
in the playoffs, and diamond Backs were good. But eventually
he got fired by Arizona. Got fired after the two
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thousand year where the Mets beat them and went to
the World Series. What happened in two thousand one, the
Arizona Diamondbacks beat the Yankees to win the World Series.
So Bucks show Walter was a year away for winning
the World series on two teams and he wound up
quitting or getting fired right before that team would win
it all. I mean, that's that's just bad timing. That's
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bad luck, bad time. Uh you know, it's there's histories. Literally,
I think we've probably got a book or two out
of just that topic. Uh as as we talk about
it right now. But I mean, come back, Luis Gonzalez
in the Man of All home runs and then I
don't think he had a cheaper hit, Yeah, because the
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Yankees had the infield in you know they were Otherwise
it would have been an easy out and the run
doesn't score from third. You got it works. So there
is our look back at the years where strikes and
not playing affected Major League Baseball. Jason Smith and Mike
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