Ep 13: The Politics of Laughter - Featuring Ryan Davis - Spolitics

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, what's up, everybody.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm Jamel Hill and welcome to politics and iHeart podcasts
and unbothered network production.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Time to get spolitical?

Speaker 2 (00:17):
All right, if it's one thing you know about me,
I don't duck any smoke.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Now.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
While there are times I am unable to answer everything
because things are said about me all day and frankly,
a lot of it isn't worth me responding to. But
there are some criticisms of me recently that I definitely
wanted to address.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Now.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Last week, an old tweet of mine resurfaced, and there
was a steady stream of dishonest characters trying to call
me out on Twitter and a number of other of
their platforms.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Now.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
The tweet that they pulled of mine was from last September,
and it was in response to several black players from
the Chicago's Guy of the WNBA discussing how they have
been harassed online and in person with racial slurs and
other derogatory and hey folk common Now. Some of those
players noted they have been subjected to more racist and
homophobic harassment this season than they ever experienced in the league. Now,

(01:09):
last season, Caitlyn Clark was the story of the league
but as her popularity has grown in recent years, it
was very obvious that there were these so called fans
latching onto her success and weaponizing it as a way
to attack and belittle black women. This had nothing to
do with Clark herself, but it's hard not to notice
how the vibe shifted from a certain segment of her

(01:31):
fan base after Caitlyn Clark liked Taylor Swift's Instagram posts
endorsing former Vice President Kamala Harris for president, and when
Clark acknowledged in a recent Time magazine piece where she
admitted she does benefit from white privilege and how it
has played a role in her success in terms of
how her accomplishments are amplified. She also mentioned that there

(01:51):
needed to be more done to elevate black women in
the WNBA who have helped shape the league. And that
got folks, and you know the folks I'm talking about
real mad. So when the players from the Chicago skuy
voiced their concerns about the racism that they faced, I
jumped in with my two cents after seeing this tweet.
The people who would weaponize her for racist attacks or

(02:13):
villainize her for the actions of others are two sides
of the same coin. Here, she gets as much or
more hate as any player, and yet she's the one
asked to address it, to fix it, not twee it back.
I don't like to play the oppression Olympics. But has
Cec had to delete her social media accounts? No, but
her teammate Aliah Boston did Cec has given out a

(02:36):
few hard shots herself, talk trash jawed with the reps,
and yet anytime she's subjected to physical play or heart
foul or trash talk, opposing players are absolutely villainized. Now,
she is not constantly subjected to racial slurs and whatever
hate she does experience, she is not told to tough
enough or that her feelings don't matter. She is not

(02:56):
subjected to both SiZ ism, nor are people trying to
justify any hatred of her now. The reason they tried
to throw this tweet back in my face is because
of something.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Truly awful recently that happened to Caitlin.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
Clark This morning WNBA star Caitlin Clark breathing a bit easier.
Fifty five year old Michael Lewis from Texas is behind
bars charged with stalking after prosecutors say he sent Clark a.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Series of sexually violent messages.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
You not only have someone who's maybe a place of prominence,
but also just kind of the nature and the aggressiveness
of what was being tweeted.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
According to court documents charging Lewis, there were at least
fourteen messages between December sixteenth and January tewod many too
explicit to quote. In one authority, say Lewis wrote in part,
been driving around your house three times a day, but
don't call the law just yet. In another, I'm getting tickets,
I'm sitting behind the bench. The affidavit says the FBI

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discovered recent messages were sent from a hotel about a
half mile away from the arena where Dark's team, the
Indiana Fever, play, as well as a library in downtown Indianapolis.
When police questioned the Texas native, he claimed he was
on vacation and this is just an imaginary relationship, according
to the documents, but prosecutors say the messages were threatening.

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Clark told police she altered her public appearances and patterns
of movement due to fear for her safety.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Now that's horrible, and it's a shame that a number
of female athletes and prominent positions have been violated this
way and have had to face such unimaginable danger. Most
recently this happened to Paige Becker's of Yukon, And of
course many of us remember one of the worst cases
of this kind of terrorism, when an obsessed fan of
Steppi Graves stabbed Monica Selis on the court back in

(04:42):
nineteen ninety three. Now, I deleted the tweet, not because
I don't stand by what I said, but because I
knew dishonest characters would purposely take what I said out
of context for the sake of some attention, and this
situation was frankly too serious for all that nonsense. Now,
clearly in my tweet, I was talking about racism, and

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specifically this idea that Caitlyn Clark faces as much racism
as the black players in the WNBA. Now, had the
conversation been about the safety threats post to female athletes,
well that's a different subject entirely. Now a reminder that
I was among many people applauding the WNBA for finally
making charter flights happen for the players. The number one

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reason was players safe. Now it took a fan creepily
following Kaitlyn Clark around in a baggage claim for the
lead to finally act and allow teams to use charter
flights throughout the season and not just in the playoffs. Now,
it shouldn't have come to that, but progress is progress,
I guess now there is no question that there are
safety issues Kaitlyn Clark has to deal with that most

(05:45):
others do not. I feel awful for her, and I'm
relieved they caught this dumbass who have been stalking and
threatening her. In no way would I ever downplay something
as serious as what she has been subjected to, a
situation that could have been worse if the authorities hadn't
been able to catch this man. Now, that should be

(06:05):
the focus here and how women in her position are
vulnerable to such threats. But these dishonest characters don't care
about that. They get their excitement from using Caitlin Clark
to criticize and demean black women. If they can't do that,
they're not nearly as interested. And one final thing, now,
I chose to address that tweet here rather than Twitter,

(06:27):
because well, that's my right and some things can't be
summed up with a couple of tweets. Sometimes y'all need
to hear from me. Literally, I'm Jamelle Hill, and I
approve this message. Coming up next on politics, enough with
all this serious stuff, It's time for us to get
our laugh on. My guest today is a comedian and

(06:47):
an actor. He's funny as hell, a huge sports fan,
and currently he is co hosting a phenomenal series on
Vice called Black Comedy in America with Tiffany Hattish and
Chris Spencer. The series is exceptional as it takes you
through the roots of black comedy and there are some
incredible one on one interviews with Kevin Hart, Will Smith
and Dave Chappelle. Highly recommend you watch it, but we're

(07:09):
going to discuss that series, plus his comedy origin story
and why Kevin Durant might try to fight him if
he ever runs into him. Coming up next on his
politics Ryan Davis, Right, I want to thank you so
much for joining me here on politics, and I'm going

(07:32):
to begin the podcast by asking you a question that
I ask every guest that appears on this podcast, and
that is name an athlete or a moment that made
you love sports.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
The comedian and then me just wants to jump out
and be like.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Uh, oh, no, go ahead, jobs oh.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
One of the moments is whenever Jim Hopball was about
to go to the college football Championship and they muffed
a punt and and Michigan State picked.

Speaker 5 (08:13):
It up and ran it in the end zone. And
I remember seeing you the next day that that is
one of the things. I grew up a Duke basketball fan, which.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Is wild to knowing where you're from.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
It's but I have to say that whenever I whenever
there's somebody black who says they're there's part of me
that goes.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
How did this happen? Well, I had a older cousin
who had the biggest crush on Grant Hill who introduced
me to basketball. So that's how that happens. But like
rivalry games, understanding how big rivalries are in sports, like
those moments, those crazy moments like that, Yeah, that's that's

(09:04):
what makes me love sports man.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, and you know, honestly, well, there's a couple of things.
I mean, I think you're you're funny. That's one thing.
One reason why I often followed you on social media,
saw a lot of the things that you were doing.
But you're, like me, are also a forty nine Ers fan. Yes, yes, so,
which we also have in common. And but I find

(09:26):
the way that you like to engage with sports to
be funny and interesting and different from a lot of
other comedians because you clearly very much know sports. And
I can't say that all comedians fit in that category.
They're usually like very casual fans. But you have a
real passion for sports. So where did that come from?

Speaker 3 (09:46):
I wanted. I woke up watching y'all. I wanted to
be on day now. When I say grew up, I
just mean in general, like every day getting uh watching
you on different shows. And then when you and Michael
had y'all show, that was the best sports show on television. Man,

(10:07):
y'all had to stop using the N word, though, but
y'all kept getting caught.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
I swear to God, I promise you. I never said
the word nigga on TV on ESPN one.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Never, Oh my mama, I'm telling you, Michael.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Listen, I did TV with Mike straight ears. I swear
to God on Mike's look. Mike got three kids.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
I'm gonna swear on his kids. He never said that
on TV.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
It was because yes.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
He cuts twice he did, But he never said that,
and I would crack up because you you know, y'all
internet slews, the social media detectives they see.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
It always felt like you said it, that's what it was.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
I think we didn't promise you you.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
We did not ever say that.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
But I was in college for uh, I was a
communications major and with a journalism min. I wanted to
do that. And then what happened was they kept hiring athletes,
and then I was like, I don't know if this
is the career path that it that it's going to

(11:30):
turn out the way that I want. And as much
as I love Jerry Rice, I used to watch it
and I go, oh my god, they don't like people
who were like, it's hard to speak on sports in
the way athletes can because they lived it, you know
what I mean. But as a sports fan and a
sports fanatic, it's like, even when they're focusing on playing,

(11:55):
I'm paying attention to everything in sports. So I feel
like even from like I can't speak firsthand, but I
can speak on doing like I pay attention to everything
and research everything, and I feel like it it was
not as appreciated anymore. It seemed like that perspective wasn't

(12:15):
as appreciated anymore and kind of fell in the comedy
after that. But my love for sports still shows through
my comedy, so you know, I still kind of get
to do.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
What I love even with you noticing that in the business,
and I've certainly been vocal about that as well, is
that if you are a black man and you want
to get into sports analysis or sports journalism, the majority
of those spots are going to go to the players.
And then it becomes and this is not to I
don't say this in an adversarial way at all, but I
think it's even harder now.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yes, of course you have Steven A.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Smith, but like he is now going to be more
of an anomaly because most of the networks when it
comes to hiring black men to talk about sports, they
want them to have been former athletes and not people
who just by watching the game being around the game,
like can make some really smart observations.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
But with that being said, does seeing say the rise.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Or the success and popularity of like Cam and Mason's show,
does that make you want to try sports in a
way that you thought you could before.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
I think I'm going to try my hand in sports
again because that does. That does, but their popularity from
hip hop is so like large in our community. I
think they could have talked about anything and we would
have you know, we would have tuned in. It just

(13:39):
so happened that they are talking about sports. But those
guys are entertaining in general. So I do want to
go I'm probably gonna, you know, jump back into sports.
But like I said, growing up that was a huge thing.
Stuart Scott is just like, you know what I mean,
the end all be all for me. That's who I

(14:01):
really grew up watching. So I didn't grow up watching
New York watching Stuart, but uh, he made it. He
made it cool, you know what I mean. And I
think I think he probably has a lot to do with,
you know, Mace and Cam doing it because I don't
think uh, I don't know if we always thought that
journalism was cool or commentary was cool, but now we

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see it that way. So with the success of him
and Mace, yeah, I think I think it's something I
want to try my hand in again for sure.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
So let's let's talk about you being a Duke basketball fan.
So what's it like being the fan of a team
and a program that often kills the dreams of black America.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah, I'm telling you. Let me tell you it is interesting,
especially especially being pro black in the South. So everybody's like, really, bro,
that's your team. Know how many different lineups we had

(15:10):
over the years with like one black guy to start lineup?
And I don't know, man, It's just like I was five, man,
what do you want me to do? I was put
into it by the time, you know, understood like how
they were ruining the lives of black men everywhere. I

(15:31):
was already a fan. What did you want?

Speaker 1 (15:33):
It was too late, It was too late.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
It was too late. So but you know, I try
to stay. You know, I don't budge, you know what
I mean, Like being in North Carolina. I never switched
over to the Panthers. I'm forty nine ers still, so
no matter what, I just I stick with my team.
So you know, I got to deal with it. But yes,

(15:57):
I get a lot of push back from because ball
fan a time a time.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, I don't know what's what's worse.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
You You liking Duke or keV keV on stage or
a mutual friend like in Pumpkin Pies.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Like I feel like both of y'all something went.

Speaker 6 (16:12):
Wrong, man, and he stands on it with like you heard,
uh no.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
But all jokes aside, though, you know, do basketball, especially
this year, a lot to be excited about.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Flag looks like the real deal, yeap until the.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Last fifty seconds. But yeah, yeah, look early, he graduated early.
Care I back back in the buttsoever, but he looked Okay,
he looks great before the last fifty seconds. Man, he is.
He is phenomenal up until then.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
God, well, given what the expectations are, not that there
are any different in any in any year in the
in the sense of there's always championship expectations that do.
But you know, what's sort of your takeaway so far
on this year's team, other than Cooper Flag in the
last fifty.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Seconds really really talented. I think by the time we
get to tournament time, they'll really be you know, they'll
really be prepared to make a run. Being that Connecticut
isn't going to be there anymore. When we play Kansas,

(17:30):
big Man is impossible for us to guard. But you know,
if we can somehow get him ejected again, I think
we gotta we got a shot. Somebody got to eliminate them.
I don't see us and then you know, there's always
is a who could play with me and somehow make
it to the final four. So I think, you know,

(17:51):
I think the blue bloods of college basketball are it's
their year to be at the top of year. I
think that's what it's going to be.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
You know, again, given your North Carolina roots, ready for
duke basketball makes sense.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Now.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
The thing that really surprised me about you and anybody
who's paid attention to you on social media has seen
your compelling case of why Michael Jordan is not the
greatest basketball player ever? How are you from North Carolina
and you don't think Jordan is the greatest basketball player ever?

Speaker 1 (18:24):
That is very surprising.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
You might be the only person from that state I've
ever met who does not say, Michael.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
I know.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Is that what it is?

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Is?

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Because of that in red rivalry? Like if if he
had been a Duke, you know, a Duke grad or
played for Duke, you might have felt differently, Is that
what it is? I thought that would have superseded. Nah,
the fact that he's it would have helped.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
But I'm not gonna lie. If he hit a game
winner through win a Duke championship, of course, But Nah,
I think what happens is people lose sight of the
fact that basketball is a team sport and it doesn't
matter how great an individual player is. If the sum

(19:10):
of parts on the other team is just better, they're
more likely to win. And the Jordan fans, Jordan fanatics
are they're just in love with him as a person
and as an idea more than they are than I'm
looking at the sport in its entirety, you know what

(19:30):
I mean. So that was always my argument. I feel
like the best player is the player who gives you
the best chance to compete, no matter who else is
on your team. And Jordan got it done with an
incredible formula that was the exact same all six times.
And then Lebron and then Lebron, different coaches, different players,

(19:54):
you know, different styles of basketball. Somehow is able to
compete at a high level no matter or what you
give them, And I think that is the deciding factor
for me. For me, But we have argued this before,
not in real life, but on A Little Brother's album.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, we have definitely.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Argue this, and you know, I'll have to say that,
you know, and I think every fan or whether it
be music or sports, but those two in particular, you're
protective of the era you grew up. Yes, and as
someone who came of age as a basketball fan in
the mid to late eighties and then had to witness

(20:36):
the entire Jordan area, the first and second, first, second,
and third iteration of it. Okay, who saw it the
whole time, and being from Detroit and being a business fan,
you know, certainly I have every reason.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
To dislike Michael Jordan as a player.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
And you know, and I would agree that sometimes Jordan
fans they make him sound like a combination of Thor and.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Paul budg and just like all right, guys like we.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
But I I have to be honest, it's hard for me.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
I get the reason why Lebron has such a strong
case for this.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
And I have a feeling this generation of basketball.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Fans, particularly the the the older fans, like they're you know,
they're gonna have to people like me, We're gonna have
to explain to them why it's not Lebron, and they're
gonna look at us like it's so obvious.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
He scored all the points in history, he has this
many rings, this many MVPs.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
I'm like, no, you had to be there when Michael
Jordan no one else could win like no one else
could win and as much as that formula, as you
mentioned in your very compelling case, and for those who
are listening, if you haven't seen it, you can go
to Ryan's instagram h and you can.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
See all the different parts of why he breaks.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Down in a courtroom, why James is not it is the
greatest player ever.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
My pushback, I would say to you, would be.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Lebron.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Even though he's been with different coaches, there's still some
formulaic elements.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
To how he wins as well.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Like you certainly pointed out how Jordan had Paxson and
Steve Kirk.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
All true, all.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Sharp shooters could hit the open shot. Once Jordan finally
trusted his teammates enough to that could hit the open shot.
That is all true. But in Miami they had a formula.
And Eric Sposter is going to go down as one
of the best coaches in his not already Ray Allen,
I remember that.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Guy kind of open shot. There is a certain formula
like he's had.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Yeah, teams win it. That's teams win it. Yeah, But
I think I think see, I think people over sail
the Miami team way too much.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
How do you do you say that?

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Because Joe L. Anthony wasn't really like that, but it's
what this is.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
The but he was.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
But he was a dirty a dirty work type of
player Bron has had before.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
He had it with Tristan Thompson. He was dirty work
type of players.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
Yeah, but Tristan Thompson the G ten to ten.

Speaker 6 (23:02):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yeah, the same function.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
So this was my thing about the Miami Heat team.
And once again I go to basketball. Dwayne Wade was
not a great outside shooter. Neither was Lebron by the
time they got there. The best outside to mid range
shooter they had on the team was Chris Bosh and
he was the best back to the basket player. But

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he couldn't play back to the basket because his two
wings can't shoot, so he has to get out of
the lane. This actually was a poorly constructed team that
had so much talent. They went the fourth straight finals.
So like that, like you act like he exactly yo,

(23:49):
And they got it done. They got it done with
with Mike Miller coming off the couch with half of
me and one shoot. Yeah, he's an incredible shoot. Yeah, yeah,
knocking down what seven threes with one shoe and a
bad back, like he that's a shooter. James Jones always
could shoot. I think he contributed to if you watch them, like,

(24:13):
I think he might have contributed to Lebron being a
better shooter because I was like, why is Lebron taking
this man everywhere he goes? And then now Lebron is
a is a good three point shooter most nights. So yeah,
but I think that team was poorly constructed. I think
the talent is so much, it's so heavy that some
people go, if you have three superstars, you're supposed to,

(24:35):
but what about their games. Lebron is good at drawing
attention and kicking. He can't kick the Dwayne Wade. He's
gonna catch it and drive it too. If they don't
get out in the fast break, they really didn't stand
the chance. That's why Pop was just like, yeah, just
don't let him run, Just don't let him run and
see what happens.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
And to some degree, Dallas employed that's same the finals
they lost to Dallas, they had had a similar game
plan and it's that Pop it used before. I mean,
I had to cover that brutally awful finals when Lebron
took that first Calfs team that he was on to
to the finals against the Spurs, and I you know,

(25:16):
when you're a reporter, you're covering something like that, you
you you basically are asking yourself, can this end in
three games?

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Because American?

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Yeah? Right?

Speaker 2 (25:28):
You know a team with old old ass erics. No,
not even the youngers, no Booby Gibson man, that.

Speaker 7 (25:35):
Team that they were stacked, Jordan, tell you what they'll
do anything Like, Lebron took the worst team and the
worst final statement history to the only the.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Only team that was maybe worse was Alan Iverson's team.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
That was they had the defensive player of the year,
six man of the year on that team. Man, there
was nobody on that team with Lebron that was the Listen.
And this is the thing. I hated Lebron back then.
I think there's always this thought, if you knew me
as a person, I don't hate. I don't like nobody

(26:12):
when they come into the league. I'm not a fan
of anybody. You have to earn my fandom. So yeah,
so Lebron. I actually started liking Lebron until like until
Dwayne Wade started kind of you could tell he was deteriorating,
and Lebron was really like having to pull the heat

(26:32):
across the finish line. And the second run in Cleveland
is where I was like, oh yeah, I can't say
nothing about this dude. This is the best basketball player
I've ever seen, ever seen. Whenever he took Golden State
the six games and his second best score was what
was I can't even think of his name right now.
He was the center. It was no Timothy mas Yeah,

(27:02):
they went six games and he had his second best
scorer was Timothy Miles. Gob third best player was Matthew Delawadoe,
and they went. I was like, this guy is and
I think a lot of Jordan fans don't understand this too.
You learn a lot about people in losses, you know
what I mean. Patrick Mahomes's greatest Super Bowl performance to

(27:25):
me is in the loss to Tampa where he's just
running for his life, diving and throwing the ball side
arm and it's hitting his players in the face mask.
That's when I was like, oh man, this is probably
the best thrower of the football I've ever seen. How
do you even do that? And some people go, well,
they lost, well, they broke the record for you know,
quarterback pressure. You're not supposed to win that game. But

(27:48):
it made me see that how good he really was.
Whenever the everything isn't stacked in your favor, how do
you look as how I look at you know who
the rates are? Yeah that's why. Yeah, that's why Tom
Brady ain't gonna never be what No.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Guys really, So do you feel like Brady.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
One?

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Because you look at some of Brady's until he got
Randy Moss, like Brady didn't offensively, he didn't play with
stacked teams like that, So I would think he would
fit the mode of what you're talking about, is somebody
able to win more with less?

Speaker 3 (28:29):
M hmm. Like his first what his first two super Bowls?
I don't think he threw.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
For correct because the team was constructed.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
Yes, okay, but they'll count that. They'll count that as
you know that. They'll be like he has seven rings.
Well he was carried the super Bowl that they won
like ken seven Now, no, no, no, no, the super
Bowl they won like ten to three. Oh man, he
really tore it up in that one. Then you got
all the asterisks, the the tuck rule and the game

(29:04):
at the he but it happened. But it happened. I
can't act like it.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Did you really keep won a Super Bowl because of
deflate Gate.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
I think this is what I think happened. I think
that he injured his thumb right so they deflated the
ball to make it more comfortable for him, and that's cheated.
This is how you know. This is how you know
the ball was really deflated. He threw an interception and
the linebacker who never touches the ball said, something's wrong

(29:35):
with this ball. So you gotta think he didn't throw
an interception for ten weeks. For ten weeks, that means
been throwing a deflated ball to the best sight here
and in the history of sports, with hands this big,
like I mean, there are competitive advantages, and they act
like having Bill Belichick is not an advantage. Bill is.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
He's a great coach.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
But did Bill Belichick do without Tom Brady and without
the Yeah?

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Who won without?

Speaker 3 (30:05):
So stop Brady won another ring?

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Bill?

Speaker 3 (30:08):
He did? Yes, he did, Tom Brady. Tom Brady went
to a team that had a top defense to Pro
Bowl wide receivers. He did. Then he went and added
gromp He added a b and he added Leonard Fournette.
All of which scored in the Super Bowl. None of
the guys who was actually on the team before he
got there scored in the Super Bowl actually, and then

(30:32):
in the in the Divisional round he threw three picks.
He did in the in the NFC Championship, he threw
three picks. No one talks about it, and.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
In Spider Brady of course they oh my god, you
are what quarterback?

Speaker 3 (30:50):
You know, throw six picks in two weeks and they're like, man,
he's the goat. That's just what he does. He's just
a winner. He just goes.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Because when it matters, you know, I don't want that much.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
You don't want that man to have the ball, you know,
when it matters.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
You don't. That is just like Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
You don't want him to have the ball last.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
That is true, and that's where I'll give him credit
for that. But at the same time, right if if
my head coach, when he's with the Falcons, runs the
ball two times, about that if the Seeds, if the
Seahawks run the ball, what just handed to Mark Sean Lynch.

(31:33):
It's like it's like his career is more favor than good.
It's just like the stars aligned for him so many times,
and I'm like, good for him, because you need a
little bit of luck, you do, Andy.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
I mean, you know, for example, it's like we were
talking about Lebron if ray Allen, if that backtap doesn't
happen to ray Allen and they list to the Spurs
that year. I mean, in some ways people might have
looked at Miami as a busted experiment.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
You go back, it was, yeah, exactly like you go to.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
The three to one series against Golden State if Draymond
doesn't get suspended.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
So I think there's always these things in sports.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Right, No one ever talks about injuries in sports. Teams
win titles all the time. No one Kawhi Leonard. Nobody
is going to talk about the fact that Kevin Durant
was down and then they probably still would have lost
because Klay Thompson was eating them alive and then he
goes down. No, they go, Kawhi Leonard is one of
the top seventy five because yes, two finals, MVPs and

(32:35):
two different conferences. But if you tell, like also Tim
Duncan wasn't in on that play, Pop took Tim Duncan out, yep,
and then that's how the ball gets tapped. It's all
you got. You got stuff that bounces your way, you
know what I mean. So it's it happens. But I think,
like I think the difference when people talk about Jordan, Jordan,

(32:59):
he put the ball in the hole when the game
is on the line. He put the ball in the hole.
There's something to be said about that. But the other yeah,
the other team, like Tom Brady, all this stuff, them
not calling the fumble whenever he gets hit by Charles Woodson,
you know what I mean. The Rams refusing to do
to run a different formation. They ran the same for

(33:22):
new Bill Belichick figured it out and then was like
they were like do something else. They were like, nah,
we've been doing this all year. He knows the plays.
He knows the plays, and they just didn't. That was
mind boggling to me. And then you know Atlanta washing them.
But they decide they have Freeman having a career year,
don't give them the ball ever again. Like he was

(33:45):
averaging five yards of carry same thing with Mike Marx Marshall.
Funk was averaging over five yards of carrying. Stop giving
him the ball. The guy with two thousand yards total
four consecutive seasons, let's stop giving him the ball. So
it's it's choices like that that make me go okay,

(34:05):
that that helped Brady get to where he was going
more than what he was actually doing. With Michael Jordan,
he just couldn't You couldn't do nothing with it. You
couldn't do nothing with him. Anybody who says he's the goat,
I completely understand that argument. But there's too many times
I watched Patriots game He'll throw a screen to Kevin fault,
Kevin make a got miss, make a got missed, and

(34:28):
then died for for the first down, died for it
for the first down. To they like bad Brady really
gets it done at the clutch. I was like, so
we don't care nothing about how Wes Welker, how Wes
Welker is getting these one on ones with linebackers, and like,
I get it, I get it. He is a smart player.

(34:48):
But like, uh, when Peyton Manning got carried for the
Broncos title, right, I love Peyton Manner. I don't even
count that Super Bowl, but they if people say he
got too, I mean technically yes too. Come on, man,
come on, man, man. Blaine Gabbert could have got that

(35:09):
Super Bowl. It just I don't know, man, for me,
like it matters, like when you watch it, what actually
happened matters. And I think too many times in the
brainy argument, we're not looking and we're not watching the
game like that. It's it's it's always results and it's

(35:31):
never what happens. Like Patrick Mahomes gets a lot of rings.
They never call holding on that offensive line. Now, whether you.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
You're just gonna piss off every fan base, I'm gonna say,
but this.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Is what you gotta understand. I'm a Duke fan. That's
cheap for us all the time.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
The fan I've ever heard admit that, and I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
All the time. That's why. Was like when people said,
one my best friend is a tar Hill fan. He'll
be like, we'll be watching the game and it'd be
an awful call. He'll look at me and I won't
even look away from the screen because I can feel
him looking at the sun. They cheeked for Duke all
the time. I remember we played the tar Heels. I

(36:15):
think it was Yeah, it was Austin Rivers. I think
it was. It was either No, it might have been
Seth Curry took like nine steps into a three pointer.
I was like, everybody's looking at me. I was like,
I don't know what to say to that. He like
tucked it juke. Then a spind moon came out and

(36:37):
I was like, Dad, you ain't even got to put
the ball down anymore. That's crazy. But that's what I'm
saying you when you have an objective view, you have
an objective view, Like I know, like whenever the Ravens
was blowing us out and we cut the power off,
I know, we cut the power off.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Who took the cord out?

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (36:55):
Man, I was.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
I was watching the gay like, thank God, somebody do something.
I was the momentum had something had to happen. So
and then we got it back on the back end
because that was fast interference.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
On their ways. B yeah, yeah, yeah, So I.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Mean, but we cheate it first.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
So well, I'm glad.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
You bropped the forty nine ers, because certainly I do
have just a couple questions for you regarding that. But
we're going to take a quick break though, before we
get more deeply into some sports conversations, and obviously I
have a whole lot I really want to ask you
about your new incredible docuseries, Black Comedy in America, that
you're co hosting with Chrispincer and Tiffany Hattish Is on Vice.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
And for those.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Who maybe are not familiar or haven't watched it, it's
really really a remarkable, well done, just great examination of
how black comedy has shaped America.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
So I highly encourage you to listen.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
So there's some things I want to ask you about
that docuseries. But first, Ryan, we're going to take a
very quick break and we'll be back with more with.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Comedy Ryan Davis.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Okay, Ryan, Before the break, we were talking and you
brought up the forty nine Ers and been a little
bit painful for us as forty nine Ers fans.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
We keep going to.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Super Bowls and losing them, and it seems like we
really love to lose them. With Kyle Shanahan, you know
you mentioned twenty eight to three. He obviously was the
offensive coordinator when that happened in Atlanta. We have seen
something similar in both of the Super Bowls that we
have lost to Kansas City. We averaged nine yards of Carrie.
We got Jimmy Garoppolo. He decides, let's throw the ball
right this last Super Bowl, very same thing. They could

(38:41):
not stop us on the ground, So for an entire quarter, naturally,
Kyle Shanahan decides that he would like to throw the
football because sometimes my issue with him is that he'd
rather look like a genius than win the fucking game.
Win the game, dude, I don't care about your being
a genius. Let's win the Super Bowl. All that being said,
you see how this season is going as the recording
of this podcast, I think the Niners maybe six and

(39:02):
seven or they're one game under five hundred.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Just beat down the Bears.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
We know that injury list is long, between Trent Williams
and obviously McCaffrey gone for the year, to Yeau out
for the season, Green Raw just so, I mean, everybody got.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Hurt this year.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
When you look at how this team is constructed and
just where we are right now in the NFL, does
it feel to you like this run has come to
an end?

Speaker 3 (39:30):
No, it comes to an end if we pay that quarterback.
They cannot overpay the quarterback. You overpay the quarterback in
the tow's.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
What's what's overpay?

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Because I mean Dak Prescott, I think right now technically
is the highest paid quarterback, or we'll be for twenty
twenty five.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
For sure. If your name is not Patrick Mahomes or
Josh Allen or Lamar, you should not be making forty
million dollars to play quarterback. Nobody should. That is the
number you give somebody who can carry a franchise. When

(40:05):
we have injuries, we lose. Brock Party does not carry
the franchise. Yes, he looks good when everybody's on the field.
That's because everybody's on the field the moment you pay him.
You cannot keep people. You can't keep them. And then
now what and now what he has he ever, this
is like the game against the Bears is like the

(40:25):
first game he won without Trent Williams. He without Trent Williams,
he don't even win like so so for me, like
and he's a good quarterback, he's a good quarter It's
just too early to give him that kind of money.
Joe Burrow is also you know, a goddess word. But
you saw what happened. They paid him and the wide receiver.
Both of them are having career seasons and it don't matter.

(40:48):
It don't matter. You need a team to win a
Super Bowl. I miss the days where people understood defense
wins championships and you run the ball.

Speaker 8 (40:58):
That's that.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
And if you're not running in the ball, then you
need a Patrick Mahomes type player. You need a Tom
Brady top type player who can convert on third downs
where you know, you just put the ball in their
hand and you're like, whatever happened, like we trust whatever
happens will happen in our favor. But I don't think

(41:19):
he's that guy. I think a lot of quarterbacks would
look good with McCaffrey, Deebo Samuels, George Kettle, Brandon Aiyuk
and the best left tackle in the league and then
and then a top five defense on the other side.
I mean, that's that's how you get there.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
You know you mentioned earlier you said a very important phrase,
you said, defense wins championships. Unfortunately, there's an NBA Hall
of Famer who does not agree with you that. You
got into a bit of a back and forth with, Yes,
Kevin Durant, you called him out, Well, he sort of
started it because he posted on social media that offense

(41:58):
wins championships. You challenge that and said him making that
statement proves why he's been unable to win a championship
outside of Golden State. He then called you a quote
trash comedian, and that's when you decided to take a
bazooka to a knife fight.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
So I wody.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Yeah, I want everybody to listen to this next clip.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
This is Ryan deciding that he has no regard for
human life when it comes to Kevin Durant.

Speaker 8 (42:26):
Yesterday, Kevin Durant said that I was a trash comedian.
I'm like what he said for me. For dag Bro,
why you get personal?

Speaker 3 (42:34):
I ain't talking about that monstrosity sitting on top of
your head.

Speaker 8 (42:37):
I kept it basketball.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
You said that offense wins championships instead of defense winning championships,
and I disagreed. I say, it's probably the thinking that
you have is why you haven't got close to competing
for a title since leaving Golden State. Because during Golden
State's run that a top three defensive efficiency. That's a
fact since defense isn't as important. Explain this to me,

(43:00):
Eddie Kane Jr. In the modern era of basketball, the
Hall of famers with the most titles Kareem, Jordan, Pippin, Rodman, Kobe,
Tim Duncan they have that minimum eight all defensive selections,
not a bunch of scoring.

Speaker 8 (43:18):
Titles between all of them.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
All have a significant amount of all defense selections.

Speaker 8 (43:26):
You know what Kevin Durant has never had.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
I know you're thinking waves, and you're right, but Kevin
Durant has never had an all defensive selection.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
So after saying all that about Kevin Durrect, have you
seen Kevin durat sister?

Speaker 3 (43:41):
You know I haven't seen them.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Have you ever met Kevin Durrett.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
I have not met him. I've been the games, of course,
but I've never met him. And the thing was, he
obviously wasn't familiar with my game. But it's okay. It's
okay because he is now. And I think. I think
what a lot of people got to realize about me
is like I really love to argue, and no matter,

(44:10):
Kevin Durant is in my top fifteen all time. So
for me to be able to make a piece of
content or a body of work that discredits one of
the top fifteen people to ever touch a basketball says
more about how great I am, not necessarily how terribly

(44:30):
he is. Right, the fact that I could find that
much of an argument to get somebody who's that great,
I think sometimes. But that's what that's actually the point
that I wanted to show him. It is just like, nah, man,
I'm really good at what I do. He should probably
tune in. It just sucks that you're the subject of
the day. But Kevin Durant, I get where he's where

(44:54):
he's coming from. But I think when you listen to
what I said, I mean, there's really no there was
really no argument his argument. His rebuttal was, I mean
he do this on the internet stuff. No, no, no,
you could say you can, you can say whatever fact
you have to the contrary, but there isn't one. Because
at the end of the day, Jordan, and like Jordan,

(45:16):
he is considered the class of the class, right He's
he's the goat in most people's eyes. And then some
people will even argue Kobe, no one talks about anything.
Nobody forgets how what they were as defenders. Nobody, Yeah,
like nobody like Kobe, what like ten first team defenses

(45:40):
or something like that. Listen it. Putting the ball in
the hole is great, but if they can't do it,
if they can't score on you, they cannot beat you.
People get too into scoring, right and I and like
Carmelo Anthony Right. One of the best bucket getters I've
ever seen in my life. Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant is

(46:01):
second to Michael Jordan as far as bucket getting to me. Like, no,
there's no better bucket getter in the history of the
game than Michael Jordan. After that, I believe it's Kevin Durant.
But Kevin Durant is forgetting that like stops and turnovers change,
rebounding changes the game so much whenever, Like I don't know, man,

(46:28):
just like offense is, offense is great, but on an
off day, you lose if you're all offense, if anybody's off.
Defense is what keeps you in the game, even if
you're having an off night. And if you're having an
on night, then you're going to win in a blowout.
But it starts with defense. Starts with defense, you know

(46:50):
what I mean?

Speaker 2 (46:51):
They So, how how surprised were you that he responded?

Speaker 3 (46:56):
I felt bad for him when I read it. I
had because you have because you remember I told you
I don't like nobody, so until until you, until you,
until you make me a fan. He actually never made
me a fan, so so I already don't like you.

(47:17):
So why would you. And this is the thing. It
ain't nothing personal is whatever. It's just like me as
a competitor, right, Like I can't compete at a high
level at a high level in basketball like he can.
But even at my level, I would never join somebody
who just be we gotta run it back. That is

(47:40):
just where is your competitive nature? I don't want to
hear it. Like when he did that, I ain't want
to hear nothing about nothing. And then he won me over.
But it's toe touch the line. But in that series
where I was like, I was like, man, he really
gonna have to carry again. And then the very nets

(48:01):
game he almost had a fifty point triple double, and
I was like, hey, there ain't nothing to talk about.
He is Kevin Durant. He is. He has every right
to talk about himself the way that he talks about himself.
But if you ever say that's anybody man, would I
would like my father up like that if he said
I was a trash Coobedia like, you don't say you disagree.

(48:25):
You can disagree with me without attacking what it is
that I do. Like, at the end of the day, Jamel,
you are phenomenal at what you do right, and we
know this. You don't have the career that you have.
You don't have like there's been like forces against your
career and it still could not stop your career. Whenever

(48:45):
you are great at what you do, there's nothing that
can stop it. And there's nothing nobody can really say.
So if somebody was to criticize you at what you do,
knowing you do it at a high level, and you
had the opportunity need to respond in your form of art,
I mean, you gotta savor that moment. You gotta be like,

(49:08):
oh God, hey, welcome to the party. You want to
come over here? Okay, all right? So I don't know, man.
When I had my kids with me and I saw
the comment, I just started laughing. I was and I
and I and I don't make content when I have
my children. So I was like, I was like, guys,

(49:28):
we're gonna have fun tonight and then your dad is
going to ruin somebody's life. People saw the comment. My
phone was blowing up. They like, the people who know
me personally, that Kevin Durant video is me. That is
that is who I am all the time. There is
no I don't ever, I don't have a character that

(49:48):
I play in like my comedy, that is that is
really me. I like to uh, I like to make
people feel bad. I can't lie. Nah, but I did.
I felt attacked though he didn't have to do. I
would have never done that. If he could have simply said, yo,

(50:11):
as somebody who does this professionally, I would just say
that I feel like I know more than you or
I'm better equipped to talk about this, because I would
be that way in comedy. There's no way I let
a civilian tell me that they know comedy bore to
be Actually, I wouldn't even entertain the conversation, to be
honest with you, I just be like whatever. So the
fact that he even entertained it was like wow. But

(50:33):
to attack what I do and then he said he's
like a trillion times better at what he does than
what I do. And I don't know. I don't know.
I might be top fifteen all time, dude, So I
don't know. I don't.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Well one thing.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
You know that video got millions and millions of views,
and certainly you know the people who follow you, they
knew what to expect, that they knew there was going
to be a strong response but nevertheless, you sort of
represent a different age of comedy. You know, a lot
of comedians now brilliantly use social media to try to
bolster their profile, to bring awareness, directly connect with their fans,

(51:18):
and you were one to You were one of the
early pioneers of that. You know, not to outdate you, however,
in talking to comedians, there does seem to be the
comedians who do stand up, which you do, and that's
your bread and butter, really, and what you're really passionate
about the comedians who do stand up to how they
look at the comedians who are influencers, or maybe the

(51:39):
influencers who are trying to be comedians. So what are
your thoughts about sort of the difference between the influencer
comedian and the stand up comedian and that tension there.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Because you represent a little bit of both.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Yeah, I'm on both sides of the but I am
still a purist and I am a comedy snob, so
which is part of the reason why they chose me
to do the docu series. They know comedy is my
bag and I think if you don't master stand up,

(52:20):
you're not a master of comedy. That's me, That is
my standpoint now because influencer and social media comedian, I've
seen too many people but get popular in a non
creative way for me to give that the type of

(52:45):
credit that stand up has, where it's like written, produced
and performed buy you. It's just you on a stage.
You get a mic, sand and a stool, maybe a chair,
and it's up to you to make all these strangers
in the room get on the same page with you
about something that is personal to you. That is a

(53:10):
different skill set than taking a sound from TikTok and
just voicing it over, or doing silly stuff, or just
reminding people of everyday stuff that they see. Anybody I
don't think I think. Don't get me wrong. I support

(53:31):
anybody's dream to make a way for their family doing
whatever it is that you're doing. I'll never tell any
content creator to stop doing what they're doing. I'll never
tell them to stop making their money. I'll never tell
them to stop taking care of their family. But there
is a such thing as aspiring comedian popularity does not
put you over here. You gotta earn it over here.

(53:53):
The type of stuff like the stages that I had
to hit, the failed jokes, the bombing, and the things
that I have to do to gain the respect of
Dave Chappelle and and some more and and you know,
DL Hughley and everybody like I'm really embraced by the

(54:14):
comedy community from my stand up, which is the hardest
form of comedy. And for somebody who goes for somebody
who just plays a character of some type or just
like do stuff that's like that makes you reminisce, like

(54:35):
there's a there's a bun. So this is the best
way I can describe it, Jamail. There's a lot of
things that are funny. A lot of things are funny.
Someone trips and falls that can be funny. Someone fart
at depending on the times that's funny. Maybe you're closer
to a fart than you are a comedian, but but

(54:58):
you're not. You're not over here. And to the comedians,
I have way more respect for the comedians who try it,
try to stand up lose And because that's another thing.
Social media protects you from failure, protect you from failure.
You do a video, if many people don't see it,
you can convince yourself, oh, it was funny. The algorithm

(55:21):
is messed up. There ain't no algorithm stand up comedy.
When you're not doing well, you know it, and everybody
in the room lets you know that wasn't funny. And
I think that's the difference. It's kind of like shooting
free throws in practice versus shooting free throws with the
game on the line, you know what I mean? Yeah,

(55:44):
I mean you can hit it when ain't nobody watching
you or ain't nobody nothing, but when the crowd is
there and everything. Actually, when you show that you really
got it, and if you're not showing that you really
have it in real time, I can't compare you to
the people who do. I think that's a very unfair comparison.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Well, one of the.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
As I mentioned the docuseries that's on Vice, where you
chrispinserontipany Hash take people through sort of this history of
black comedy by focusing on comedians who have changed the game,
Kevin Hard, Eddie Murphy, some of the great How did
you become a part of that project?

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Oh? Man? I got called? Uh yeah, man, I was
just I was sitting down and they got a call
there like they're doing a docuseries and they need somebody
to represent the new generation and they want you to
do it. And I was like, oh, man, that sounds great.
I was like, man, I hope, I hope it's great.

(56:45):
They were like, it's paying this. I was like, oh man,
it ain't about the money, but I would love to
do this. I never said nah, but I love comedy.
It's such it was. It was such a big thing

(57:07):
in my life, even before I was doing and you know,
in our in our culture, comedy it's huge, huge. Laughter
brought us through a lot culturally, so we lean on it.
Like and black people, we don't have to go to
comedy to find somebody funny. There's funny people all through

(57:29):
our family. So yeah, Like so to even choose this
fat to be like, I'm funnier than all your uncles,
your cousins, your brother and your sister, like like we
know funny and funny, Like we know how to you know,
laugh even in the worst of times. And I am
a historian, like you know, whenever we talk about sports

(57:51):
and stuff, I just rattle off all this stuff. I
really love the research stuff, and this was an opportunity
to one share my knowledge with with the world, but
also learned so much that I didn't know. I've gained
so much knowledge just from doing this project, like it's
given me more than I was able to give to it.

(58:12):
I believe that's why, Like when you say you watch
it and it's really well done, and then the people
I've gotten to meet and the relationships, I mean, no, man,
I'll never forget this experience. I'll never forget this experience.
This is this has been amazing for me. I'm so
one of the most important phone calls of my life

(58:33):
is me getting that yeah, yeah, no it.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
It's really I agree. It's like very well done, very
well researched. But more importantly, it's really very inspiring because
a lot of the comedians that people love hearing about
their stories and what they had to go through to
get through where they are, you know, because sometimes people
have sort of polarizing opinions of like Kevin Hard, but
there's no way you can hear his story and.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Not respect what he has done.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
And reading up on your background, I know Kevin Hart
had a very big influence on why you became a comedian.
So what was it about how he moved that made
you feel like you could do this?

Speaker 3 (59:12):
I think the I don't think you ever believe you
can do it unless you're arrogant. I wasn't not arrogant.
I was because I looked at them like like magicians,
you know what I mean. I was like, man, how
are they doing that? Like I'm funny to my friends,
but how do you make strangers laugh like that? But

(59:33):
what Kevin Hart did that inspired me. He lets you
see him get to the mountaintop. A lot of people
they arrived there and you're like, man, they're this famous person.
But Kevin allowed us to see And I think that
was the one thing with social media that's great when

(59:55):
that's one of the tools. That's when social media. For me,
I'm not a big fan of social media, but that
was the one part of it that I love that
Kevin Hart. You got to see him in the small theater,
then the big theater, then selling out Madison Square Garden,
and then when he sold out Madison Square Garden, he's
like blubbering, crying, trying to explain like how much this

(01:00:17):
means to him through all the nose his TV shows
getting canceled, his movie's bombing, getting pirated or whatever, people
not really respecting him. He's doing the little cameos and
music videos, and now he's selling out two nights at
Madison Square Garden and he's not standing up there going
I'm the biggest comedian in the world. He's crying because

(01:00:40):
he's it's all the work that was done to get there.
And in that moment, I didn't go, I want to
be a comedian. I went, I want to chase a
dream and have the satisfaction of getting to the mountaintop.
It just so happened. That's the dream that I wanted.
Chase happens to be in comedy. But I think that

(01:01:04):
moment Kevin Hart would have inspired me to do anything.
If I wanted to run an ice cream shop. I
think that day I would have bought my first ice
cream maker. It was Yeah, I just it was. It
was very I'm him. So my comedy style, my influence

(01:01:25):
is more Dave Chappelle and Chris Rock and Patrisea O'Neill.
But the biggest inspiration, my biggest inspiration in comedy is
Kevin Hart, and it's by miles. It's a lung, but yeah,
like he's the most He's probably one of the most
important people, if not the most important person to me
in my comedy journey.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
You know, the one thing that's interesting about your journey
is that sometimes when you talk to comedians, you say, oh, okay,
when did how did you know you were funny? That like, oh,
in school, you know I was a class clown. I
used to do this and that. That wasn't necessarily your journey.
So when did you really believe and truly realized you
were funny?

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
People just kept telling me they kept it and I
loved comedy, right, so I knew how it was weird,
Like I think I never liked showing people how smart
I was or how funny I was. It wasn't that
it was taboo. It's just something in me was insecure

(01:02:27):
about it and my friends. I went to a comedy
show and my friends was like, man, you're funnier than
everybody up there, and I was like, I don't even
have the guts to get up there. I don't know why,
but after seeing Kevin three days later I got on stage,
it was just like yeah, it was like either you're
gonna because I'm big on procrastinating too, so you gotta everybody. Yeah, Like,

(01:02:49):
I gotta throw myself out there because if I go, oh,
I'll do it next week, it's not getting done. So
I had to sign up for the first open mic
that was even covered after I went and saw that,
specially you. But no, I couldn't be a class clown. Parents,
strict parents. You be a class clown at your own risk.
Not in that house. Call me for what you don't

(01:03:15):
know how to you missed a funny man. Yeah, my
dad was funny too, So now yeah, so I always
say that he's funnier than me. I'm not the funniest
person in my family. I was the person smart enough
to make a career out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
So now you know, it's funny how comedy, at least
in recent years have led us to these broader conversations
about culture. And you know, as we're recording this right now,
one conversation that comedy has sort of ignited is about
whether or not black people allow people who are not

(01:03:50):
black to get a little too comfortable inside of our space.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Kendrick Lamar recently called Andrew Schultz because he made fun
of black women on his podcast. Much said some giggles
and some laughs, and it created again that conversation about
are we, you know, the appropriate gatekeepers that we need
to be as a comedian, and especially you know, having
watched your stand up and watching how you navigate.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Nobody is safe.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
So what's your perspective about all this conversation around Andrew
Schultz and whether or not he was out of bounds.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
I talked to Andrew immediately when I heard the Kendrick
This is the first thing I did was message him.
I was like, you know, they talk about you right now?
Right it all out? You know it's crazy. No kids
are talking about you, right. I didn't think of nobody else.
I was like, he's definitely talking about you, bro, and uh,

(01:04:47):
fans of dy have reached out to get my perspective.
I'll give it to You'll be the first person to
get it out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
With Hey Solive, Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
I don't police comedy at all. And and I remember
one time Dave Chappelle did this bit where he where
Michael Richard said nigger a bunch of times and we
seen him sense. Yeah, we ain't seen him sit. But
Dave Chappelle says, sometimes I feel like I'm more comedian
than I am black, because even when he was doing

(01:05:19):
all that I was he was like, come on, Michael,
you can get him back. You can turn this set around.
You can turn this set around and he's like, nah,
he definitely couldn't turn around. But for me, So for me,
I am more comedian than anything else, right, And I

(01:05:40):
don't police comedians. What I don't like is like, if
you are a comedian and you do bad jokes and
they don't work and you make people mad, don't go
I'm a comedian. I get the no. No, you did

(01:06:00):
do what you were supposed to do. We don't like
we do get to say whatever we want as long
as it's funny. So if if way less people laugh
than do laugh, you didn't do your job. Because Anthony
jezsel Nick, how he had said on the podcast, and
he attributes this quote to Andy Warhol, art is getting

(01:06:23):
away with it. So if you don't get away with it,
you didn't do the job. You didn't do the job.
So like when even whenever the RNC came right and
Tony Hinchcliffe did his bit right, everybody was like, oh man,
because they ain't no I know Tony, and I'm like, uh, like, yo,

(01:06:43):
what do you think? I was like, yeah, you was bombing.
They were like about that. They were like they were like,
what about the racist part? I was like, I don't
know nothing about that. I know these jokes are bad.
These jokes are really bad. He was like, oh, my
black friend, we gonna carve bartermelons later. And I was like,
it's November. Watermelon is a summer boom boom.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
It's kind of a bit of a low hanging yeah watermelon.

Speaker 6 (01:07:11):
Okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Yeah. I was like, boom, like, you're not mad as
a black man. I couldn't get mad as a black man.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
I'm a coming boo this nigga.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
They lucky. I went there boom, and I just felt
the same way like sometimes sometimes showed say some stuff
that I think is brilliant, and some some of the
things he said in his defense I thought was brilliant.
But the problem is the problem is he won't acknowledge

(01:07:46):
that the joke's are bad. It was like, hey, man,
I pick on everybody. I just missed. I went, I
shot my shote at the black woman joke. It missed. Sorry,
I don't always everybody doesn't always land, but I and
I get that also from Patrise O'Neill. Whenever the uh

(01:08:08):
the guy, the radio guy did the nappy headed hose
comment NamUs and they tried to get Patrise O'Neill and Patrisa.
O'Neill was like, I always defend the attempt. Now what
happens after you? After you happened, So that's me. I
defend the attempt. The most brilliant minds that I've ever
known were in common and those people defended it and

(01:08:32):
I and if I defend, like, I've really got to
defend my art for him because me, I talk about everybody.
This is my stance on it. Because I talk about everybody.
If it's taboo, I'm more likely to write a joke
about it because I'm I want the opportunity to show
my skill. So the this is the rule for me.

(01:08:56):
Say a joke about any group of people, it's gotta
be funny to them. They should be laughing the hardest
because they are the ones living the experience. So it
should be funnier than them than it is to anybody else.
If you're doing it correctly, and if they're if they
are offended, if they're offended in masks, you did it wrong.

(01:09:17):
You did it wrong. That It's really that simple.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
That's a that's a really good perspective to have.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
Yeah, I honestly believe that if you're gonna make a
joke about any group of people, that those are the
people who should be laughing the hardest because they live
the experience. So that's always been my thing. I don't
think I'm not gonna limit myself to talk about or
not talk about anything. I'm sorry, and and maybe that's

(01:09:45):
with being a black man. I'm really not about to
let anybody tell me what I can and can't say. Culturally,
We've been through enough of people telling us what we
can and can't do. I'll leave that for somebody else
but me, And I'm gonna say whatever I want. But I'm
responsible enough to understand that my job is still to
entertain and people's emotions matter because I'm trying to evoke

(01:10:11):
an emotional response, which laughter is right, it's joy. So
if I'm going to talk about something and talk about
a particular group of people, then the people who live
that experience are the people closest to it, who also
who should be laughing. The artists because they have the
most information, right, the people who get the joke. It

(01:10:34):
should be more of an inside joke for them than
it is for anybody else. And we laugh harder at
the things we relate to So how in the world
do you do a joke about a group of people
and alienate that whole group and then not see the
joke as a problematic. Obviously it's problematic, and I just
wish more comedians would own up to the miss. It's like,

(01:10:55):
you know, defend the attempt, but when you miss, it's
okay to be like it's to be like, you know, hey, guys,
I'm gonna keep joking about y'all. I'm gonna just be
better at it. This was, this was awful.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
And not yet, because I don't know if I buy
this idea that people necessarily are more sensitive?

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Are we more aware of certain things?

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Of course I think that's true, But I have to say,
like some of the funniest jokes I can remember of
the last five years, that if I told you what
the joke was, or at least the subject matter, you
would probably think I was an awful person. But these
jokes were funny as hell. And like, I heard a
woman I can't remember her name, and I feel like
Van Laythan posted this joke. She made an incredibly courageous, funny, nuanced,

(01:11:40):
brave joke about sexual assault and it, let me tell you,
I was laughing, but it was it was just very
It was very thoughtful and intellectual. A lot of people
complain that people in the LGBTQ plus community can't laugh,
can't take a joke. Have you seen Flame Monroe? Flaming
row is fucking hysterical.

Speaker 6 (01:12:01):
Currently, And yes, that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
Are what what at pulling?

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
No puch is hilarious, like hilarious, right, And so you're
right some of it is there's a difference between you
can't joke about and what's this funny? And I think
people tend to say like, oh, no, no, you can't
joke about nah, because we black people especially we definitely
did laugh at ourselves up and down. Hey, we don't
take shit serious. So it's just like, yeah, you can

(01:12:30):
make us laugh, but like, nah, you can't be telling
watermelon jokes because they's not funny anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
I think I think you have a responsibility as a
person who is making a joke about another culture to
experience that culture enough to know where the band where's
inbounds and out of bounds. You not knowing what's inbounds
and out of bounds culturally is like crazy to me.
Uh So I do a lot of material about the

(01:12:56):
lgbt QYA plus community. Right, But I have a brother.
I grew up sharing a room with somebody in there.
So if I say I have somebody I can go
to and go this offensive you know what I mean?
I have people, But this is the thing. It's just like,
But I also my jokes in that in that space

(01:13:17):
work because I'm talking about my lived experience. It's easier. Yeah,
it's easier, That's what I'm saying. So if you're making
a joke about like, so, when Andrew made the joke
about black women being hard to deal with in relationships, right,
did he speak from it from a perspective of him
dating black women or is he just throwing out negative

(01:13:40):
stereotypes about a group of people that he actually doesn't
even date. And then that is what causes the problem, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Because if he starts to joke with I was dating
this sister and bo boom boom, there might be a
little bit of a.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
Different people because then people would go, yeah, I got
a cousin like that. So that is so, But he
blanketed an entire group of people, right with a negative
stereotype that we have to fight against all the time,
Like black women have to fight against the whole they're
too aggressive all the time, and then you know people

(01:14:19):
want to be and then that's why you can't do
the comedy of old. Yeah, black women are aggressive, what's
the problem. I joke on everybody. But it's like, you
know the history, Know the history of that statement, Know
the history of that. The stereotypes, like stereotypes are funny
to certain groups Black people about over the stereotypes, though,

(01:14:41):
you gotta get you gotta get creative with us now, man,
Like a lot of groups, you can just say they're
stereotype to them, but they don't live our experience of
being you know, quote unquote at the bottom in a
lot of cases. Right, So whenever you're saying stereotypes about us,
is not even the true stuff. It's the stuff that's
said about us, that that people used to hold us back,

(01:15:02):
And that's not funny to us. That's not funny to us,
you know what I mean? Should have just went with
y'all can dance. We would have laughed at that all fails.
Y'all are really athletic do that. But you know what
I mean, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Yeah, I hear you now, Being that you are such
a big sports fan, and I imagine, you know, you
get to meet and interact with athletes all the time,
or at least some of the time. Who's the funniest
athlete you think you've ever met or encountered or even
you know, maybe even seen for the park.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
Carol Owens is hilarious. Oh my god, something wrong with him, man,
Something's truly wrong with that dude. He's hilarious. He's hilarious.
Dame Lillard is low key funny.

Speaker 6 (01:15:51):
Really.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
Yeah, he's so reserved that you would you wouldn't think it.
But when he gets comfortable, Nah, he's really he's funny
in a grumpy uncle wag. Okay, yeah, like like somebody
doing something stupid. If something if you're ever around Dame
Willard and somebody's doing something stupid, don't even watch them.

(01:16:12):
Look at him. Look at yo, look at him. You'll
see hilarious. Then he's hilarious. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Now do you do you find that you know people
that you meet that they want to did they kind
of want to go toe to toe with you?

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
Like I wonder.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
I've always wondered if comedians are tested in the way
that like fans that watch athletes are, Like I bet
if you know we can go out to the court,
right now, do people try to kind of test you
a little bit to see how funny is he really?
And if I could go toe to total toe with him?

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
They learn about they learned, they learn about me. Yeah,
I'm not a good sport. I'm not. Yeah, I told
you I like hurting people's feelings. So so this is
my thing. When because this is the thing about sports,
you come to somebody and say beat you one on
one in basketball, you're talking about my skill level or whatever.

(01:17:08):
Right well, when that people when typically people say they
try to test you funny, they start by insulting you
and see if they can the dozens. They want they
the dozens, or they want a clown, or they want
to roast. Well, that's disrespectful to me. I don't know you, stranger.
I don't. The only people who allowed to roast me
are people who know me. So whenever, Yeah, so if

(01:17:31):
I don't, because for me, that's not that's not my
idea of fun. I don't. I don't roast the audience.
I don't do any of that. I don't. I've never
thought that it was fun to point at somebody's insecure
and laugh at them, you know, or point out these
shortcomings and laugh at them. You do that with family,

(01:17:51):
you do that with friends, because you know it comes
from you know what place it's coming from. You know
what I mean. I love you. I love you to death.
So let's pick at this thing that you we know,
you know about each other or whatever. But you a stranger,
I don't know you. They'd be like, look at your shoes.
I'll be like, look at your life. Yeah, see how

(01:18:17):
you laughing. I think that's funny. I think that's y. Yeah,
they don't. They don't. They don't want to play no more.
They don't ever want to play. They don't ever want
to play no more. Like, hey man, I was just
trying to be funny. Me too, me too, so yeah,

(01:18:38):
but people do try. And then one thing I don't like.
I used to want to those like I would try
to go back and forth with people on the internet,
but I realized people really don't like when you're really
good at it. So they'll try you and and I'm
like my turn, and then I'll type whatever back and
then they'll go, hey man, I was just playing blood.

(01:19:00):
They turn into a victim. I'm like you, I didn't
even know you existed. You came to my platform to
say something negative about me that you thought was funny.
So when I went to your page and saw your
whole family and decided the screenshot had been put it
in the comments with my commentary, why why did you
get to look at my life? And so whatever you

(01:19:20):
want to But when I take it, when I tell
you to look at your life, all of a sudden,
if you're the wrong one, yeah, I'm all, man, I'm
a bully. I'm a bully, Jamel, that's what happens. Oh
my god. So I don't even entertain it no more
because I realized. And then that's one of the thing
they'll try to do. They'll try to tell you your sensitive.

(01:19:42):
Whenever you go back at them, they're like, oh, a
comedia can't take a joke? What are you talking about?
I joked back? What you supposed to continue? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
The people people typically cannot take what they dish out.
And when they get into somebody like I'm mean, like
I don't, I don't. Yeah, Like it took me a
long time, because this is the thing. Whenever somebody says
that they're mean, typically people will tie that into not
being a good person. And I'm actually a good person.
I'm actually really kind, but until i'm not so I

(01:20:19):
think that's why I'm so mean, Because I'm really a
kind person. I'll do anything. I'll do anything for strangers anything.
I'm sort of a pushover, right, So why would you
be mean to me so once? So once you do
something to means like nah, because I don't want to
go back and forth. I want this to end.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
Death blow.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, some people will be like, you know,
I thought we were going to go back and forth.
We could as long as you can take it. But
I'm going, yeah, you don't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Well with that being said, uh, to wrap things up
in the podcast for what I call the messy questions.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
So let's start some controversy.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Yes, so my question by messy question, knowing that you're
like everybody is a big fan of Eddie Murphy, which
movie was better Harlem Knight's or Life.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
H Harlem Knights.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
Harlem, I see because they both featured a lot of comedians.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
I wanted a comedians perspective. Now, why why do you
think it was? Harlem Knights?

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
Life is a sad movie? I think people it's so funny.
That's why I get so much credit, because it's so
funny that you forget how sad it was. But these
guys didn't commit a crime, and they spent their whole
life in prison watching other people die, and they didn't
get out until their life was basically over.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
Well you put it that way, it is kind of depressing.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
I guess. Yeah. People are like, I love that movie,
let's watch it again. I'm like, nah, I'm cool. It's
not doing for me what it's doing for y'all. Right.
I want the underdog to win, you know what I mean.
The mob tried to, you know, bully him, and then
they come out on top, you know, and plus come on, man,

(01:22:02):
as funny as people were in Life, Red Fox and
Oh My hallm Knights was so everybody was just on
it in Harlem Knights, Man Harlem Knights. Now, don't get
me wrong, Life is what. That's a great questions Like,
that's the one thing I hate about people too. If

(01:22:23):
I choose one, and then that means I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, listen, guys, great,
let's go to one A, one B if that makes
you feel better. But it's Harlem Knight Sunshine. I got
to interview her for the Eddie Murphy episode on the
document series. Yeah, so yeah, that was great, but the
whole I'm not telling kid kids, put mommy on the

(01:22:45):
phone coming off listen, what listen? I like a leg
as much as the beat guy. But mommy ain't come home,
or or why you always leave? You don't leave? Just
a swallow ranges, just swallowing and shut the funk up.

(01:23:06):
I'm screaming. And then the birds said. I was like, Yo,
what is going on? Yo? That movie is the whole
fight with him and Vira. He had to he had
to shoot her piggy toe staying toe to toe with him. Correct, Yo, Yo,
it's everything about that movie, even from when you talking

(01:23:28):
about kids give me bad luck night. Yeah, oh my god,
daddy needs shoes and you need some teeth. That was
just everything about it at every time was funny. It
was funny, funny, and it wasn't as dark. Life is
really dark. It's really and.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
You know what, I've always thought it was hard onw Knights,
mostly because I felt like the people in it that
weren't supposed to be funny, that aren't the comedians are
really funny, Like you mentioned, Leila Rahan, She's Arrius and
Sunshine Richie. You know, even feel feel Cantone, you know, likesious.
I mean, everybody in it that's not the comedian is

(01:24:11):
actually funny on top of the comedians, like you know,
Dela Reice has been you know, she was an entertainer
for decades, but nobody saw Dela Reice doing that kind
of bringing that kind of edge and funniness to that
kind of movie. So I tend to always say that
it's it's Harlem Knight's over life.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
Uh yeah, it gets it gets funnier as you get older.
And when I became a man, I understood why he
said he wasn't coming home. I didn't get that as
when I was younger. I was like, oh oh yeah,
so you do throw it in the air turns of
the sunshine. They was like, and I understand why guys
that I don't want to meet her. I don't want.

Speaker 9 (01:24:57):
Things would come funnier, you get so, no, Harlem Nights
continues become new for me right in a way life doesn't,
you know, So yeah, I'll go harm Nights.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
Okay, all right, well, you know you settled some of
the debates, and I can't wait till people attack you
for it anyway, that'll be fun.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
But Ryan, listen, I.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
Wanted to thank you for spending this time with me.
I know you're really busy. Most importantly, to the people
who are listening, please make sure that you check out
his docuseries, hosted alongside Tiffany Hattish also Chris Spencer, looking
At and Examining How Black Comedy Shaped America. Black Comedy
in America is the name of the docuseries. It's on Vice,

(01:25:37):
so make sure that you check it out. It's a
great watch. A lot of the most not just famous,
but a lot of the most influential, impactful, brilliant comedians
in black comedy are all featured, and you find out
so much about their backstories, about the nuances of what
they do, even you know, like I didn't even think

(01:25:57):
about in the Kevin Heart so I didn't even think
about the connection with Robin think like I had totally
forgot that he had done that impression of him and
that's kind of what led to him being on Real
Housewive are Real House Husbands of Hollywood, So you get
to learn all these great things about some of the
best to ever do it. And Ryan is very much
a part of that making your own stamp, your own

(01:26:17):
legacy in this comedy game. So good luck to you, Ryan,
thank you, and everybody. Make sure you check him out
on Instagram, follow his career, go see a stand up
and just give him some support and love.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
All Right, everybody, y'all know what time it is? Time
for an audience question. This question comes from Mike Patton,
a Loyals Politics fan, because he always drops a word
every week about the podcast on social media. So shout
out to you, Mike, and thank you. I really do
appreciate the support.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
Here's Mike's question.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
With Donald Trump returning to the White House, how do
you feel that will affect Team Dynamics when it comes
to visiting the White House after winning titles. Now, if
you all recall I said this on this podcast when
Trump first got elected.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
It was right after election day.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
I said that supporting Trump will become much more normalized
than it was when he won office previously. Now, when
he ran against Hillary Clinton, he didn't win the popular vote.
This time, he won the electoral College and the popular vote.
So the new narrative being spun is that re electing
Trump is some kind of mandate.

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
Now, I don't know how it's a mandate.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
When Trump won the popular vote by the lowest margin
since Richard Nixon in nineteen sixty eight, and he did
not get fifty percent of the vote.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
He got forty nine percent.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
And I need to remind you the majority of people
in this country didn't vote at all.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
But all of this glorious ring kissing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
From the entertainment world, it was up Snooper, Rick Ross
and definitely among the billionaire class. All of that is
setting the tone to normalize a convicted felon being the president.
Now I expect this will almost certainly extend to sports.
You will see many more teams take Trump up on
his invitations to the White House. But I think the
way it works with him is you have to let
it be known you will come if invited, Otherwise he

(01:28:05):
ain't inviting you. Now, there are going to be some
teams and players who do stand on business. When it
comes to the NBA, I'd still be somewhat surprised if
a team win, but I guess maybe that depends on
who wins. Lebron definitely ain't going, and neither of Steph Curry.
But unfortunately I don't think those guys have to worry
about NBA titles this year.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
Now, a WNBA team probably ain't going.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
The football teams, however at the pro or college level
definitely would. But as I've always thought, whether or not
an athlete goes should be up to that person. There
were players who didn't go when Obama was president's players
who didn't go when Biden was president. It's fine, but
for me, the issue is normalizing Trump. What we have
going on in the White House should never be normalized.

(01:28:49):
So thank you Mike again for your question and for
your support. As for the rest of you, if you
would like to ask me a question, I'm at Jamail
Hill across all social media platforms Twitter, Instagram, Blue Sky,
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Four at gmail dot com.

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