Legendary Classics: Rico Wade - StoryTime with Legendary Jerry copy

This week on Storytime with Legendary Jerry we pay homage to the late, great Rico Wade. This episode was first aired 7 years ago and touches on the depth of the MAN Rico as well as his many contributions to the culture.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:13):
What with legendary Rico this week, Tansy Larkin legendary and Jerry.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
We got somebody that changed the whole whole landscape of
not just music here in Atlanta, but music around the
country and around the world.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
And you you've.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Seen, you've seen my excitement about having my homeboy, my nigga,
my pott here because you see, I brought my kids
just for this.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yes, I see.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
I was like, y'all gonna get history today.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Because because I've said and I watched this guy.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
And actually he's not he's not. We're probably around the
same age.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
But I watched him before I even pay I mean
before I even really got really entrenched in the music,
and I watched what he did and watched how he
uh and his and his crew and his his uh uh.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
I'm trying to is his Organized Noise crew.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yeah, his organized Norse crew.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
What they did for the and I'll say it again
for changing the whole landscape of music around the world.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
And we have mister Rico way one third.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Of organized Organized Noise.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
He's so laid back.

Speaker 5 (01:31):
I just understand that it's you know, it's always it's
a blessing man, because especially when you see people that
that was a part of the movement at the beginning stages,
when when it was only one radio station, when we
only had when they only played rap music from six
to not even from six, not even six Saturday night,

(01:53):
people called the fresh fresh fist a fresh party.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
And so if that was here in Atlanta, can you
only ask what was going on.

Speaker 6 (02:00):
Around and other and other little smaller market. Well, actually
that's what I mean.

Speaker 5 (02:03):
Like like Atlanta was a it's a big it's a city,
but it was it's considered a small town. It wasn't
a like now it's something that that breaks down people follow.
But back then the pacemakers were New York, the Bay,
the Bay l.

Speaker 6 (02:19):
A, possibly Chicago, Chicago, the bigger market.

Speaker 5 (02:22):
They're the ones that like they say, if this place,
if this if this area plays your record, or like
it just means that, okay, Chicago player, guess what say
it just means like a couple of other smaller market.

Speaker 6 (02:34):
Atlanta considered a smaller market.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
But now.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
Because Atlanta, I'm saying, didn't mean because Atlanta was playing,
didn't mean that that the big cities. It was almost
when out Cat came out. What helped us early on
in the Beguinea stages. Was that k mail in San Francisco,
San Francisco. I know people I would like to be
like Atlanta and San Francisco gay thing. But but but

(03:01):
we do have some love for.

Speaker 6 (03:03):
The diversity because that's the Bay Area. That's all.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
So speaking of so, speaking of so, speaking of getting
jump started. You know, for people that don't know and
organized noise. When everybody think organized noise, they think of outcasts, goodie.

Speaker 6 (03:18):
Mob, TLC, waterfall.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Water for me, society or soul.

Speaker 6 (03:24):
So but.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Organized noise.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
And you just mentioned I'm the player's boss somewhere out casts.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
When you all got.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Together and the whole crew, I mean, for everybody that
that knows and don't.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Know, I mean, it was a lot, a lot, a lot.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Of talent in that whole y'all clicking, y'all crew coming
coming up. Did you ever think that it would it
would spawn the the groups and solo artists that came
out of it, did you? I mean, I know, as
a you know, as confident as you are, and I
know that.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
But well, to be done, to be very honest, man,
like that was the plan. It was almost like I
was in the singing group. You know what I'm saying.
I was in the sing group when Jack the rapper
was going on. I knew, I knew I couldn't really sing.
I knew I couldn't really sing, but we would fly.
We had we had, we had the perms.

Speaker 6 (04:18):
I had to figure a ways the cone through the
cone through the way.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
We were turning Atlanta album and said we and they
was great fun shirts, bill booms.

Speaker 6 (04:30):
It was freedom here.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
At that point we had already seen that Michael Jackson
was doing our dances. TLC had came out like this
before even TLC had came out.

Speaker 6 (04:38):
That's what I mean.

Speaker 5 (04:39):
I was in the singing group then, so realized realized
because I had we we auditioned for Pebbles. It was
like then JOSEYSI came out and it was like, you
know what, man, they kind of beat us to the
two guys can sing, two guys don't sing.

Speaker 6 (04:51):
Niggas in the group say it's just the whole fly.
I was like, and they was.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
Kind of like turned double on some hoods that there
was hood dudes. That was so we felt like that.
We just kind of felt like we were in the business,
but maybe we wasn't. Boys and Men that's what it was.
Jodisie got the two guys who could blow. Boys and
men was awful. Guys can blow were really not none
of those. We've been having fun, but we're not that
but sleep so you retired your personal Yeah, so it's

(05:16):
almost like now we already knew that, but Sleepy always
wanted to sleep. By this point, I've learned how to
make music though. I met Ray, so we understood we're
building production. We're making production, but we're doing music for
like for Ray might be doing stuff for like Kujo,
but this was before he was in the Goodie Mad.
He might be doing something for Mellow, who was down
with KP. He was just a little central dude that

(05:37):
everybody would come to to make beats. And I was
like his manager.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
Okay, now when you say Ray and you say Sleepy, now.

Speaker 5 (05:42):
Those are the partnersn't organized, No, it's those two guys
in those picture.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
Okay, So now Sleepy and people made no.

Speaker 5 (05:47):
Sleepy as an artist, Yes, sleep Sleepiers got the songs
I can't wait and sing on all the big bus stuff.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Outcast was Yeah, he's.

Speaker 6 (05:57):
A third member of our man.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
He really is the one who's something from all the
first albums, he saw all the hooks, Southern Playerlistic, Crumbling Herd,
and all the later.

Speaker 7 (06:06):
That's my that's my song, I don't.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
And then Folky Ride, So he was like divorce like.
So that's why I was sound like how doctors rade him?
And the cornny So that was important. Then later on
you heard him on sofa so clean and the way
you moved, and he had his own stuff when he
came up, I can't wait and margarite or whatever.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
So see, I never knew that.

Speaker 7 (06:31):
I mean I knew he sung on some I didn't
know certain songs I didn't know he t. And then
I didn't know he was a part of the founder,
one of the founders of Organized Noise, and who's Ray.

Speaker 6 (06:40):
Raised the Yoda raised, the one that raised the one
you hold.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
On, hold on, Hold hold on.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
So you didn't know, not Organized Noise.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
I mean, I'm be honest.

Speaker 7 (06:50):
I'm telling you, I'm more like a fan. I knew
it was, and I knew sleep.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
I knew.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
As an artist.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Now this is what in the street, this is what
it was known. This is what people were not known.
But this is what people were saying that Ray and
Pat were the creatives, and Rico was the mouth and
was the brain, but you actually was on the You
was on the motherfucking drum machines too.

Speaker 7 (07:15):
You.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
Yeah, yeah, it was like it was. It was looked
at its like Reco the front man. You know what
I'm saying, He the front man. He the one that's
popping and talking really sleepy and radioing all the music.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah that's what that's what.

Speaker 5 (07:26):
Yeah, whatever ears, That's what it really was. More like
that was that was the roles we had to play,
like like my job sleepy. Our sound is based on
ray love for hip hop and sleepies, love.

Speaker 6 (07:43):
For live music and funk.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
I was like, I'm a couple of years younger than them,
but I was the one who already had a job
so I was paying for stuff. But also they so
just I felt good because they also trusted my my vision,
like they I was hip and thought I was young,
and here like like like you know, it's hot reached.
So it's like what you think, So the whole process

(08:08):
became us because how you think.

Speaker 6 (08:10):
It should go? Read what you think? What you think
is fly.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
So you ended up managing anyway by Yeah, I had.

Speaker 5 (08:16):
To like now, not only because because I believe that
they were the truth. So it's really more about if
they were doing something I thought was dope, I wouldn't
let them sit around doing that ship all day. I'm like,
that's it, that's it. Stop, stop, that's it. Play that again,
just like that. That's it, that's it right there, let's
do that. Then I go get your cash, come this

(08:36):
in this or yo. See though yo. So it was
almost like a hype man at at the end of
the day. But if you respected, you're a leader, right,
So if you really just the person who's the most
excited about and convincing about what I'm saying, and then
when those things were come into fruition, when I'm telling you,
like that shit dope, then somebody else here and be
like that shit dope. And you're used to most of

(08:57):
the time, what you're used to hearing is nobody telling
you nothing. Yeah, like people being like I like that,
like people just like that, not really getting all the
way on the deck, not really getting.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Really really, how does it make not to cut you off?

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Sorry? But how does it make you feel to sit.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Back and say the organized noise we spawn arguably the
greatest hip hop duo in the world in history period
to sit back and say that Michael Jackson, we spawned
and I'm gonna say, arguably the greatest hip hop group
of all time, Big Boy and Andre three thousands came from

(09:44):
the beginnings of organized.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
I just know that I could speak on the fact
that like if you go about something with the proper respect,
I mean, like run DEMC, try and call quest and
acknowledge it, like we knew that this is what this
is what we were looking at, like like we trying
did the P m D. But yeah, yeah, I like
I loved it. I personally loved the E P and
B as a as a as a fan. But at

(10:06):
the time when I met Cast things that I looked
at and said, like, we're gonna have a two man group,
who are my favorites?

Speaker 6 (10:13):
Run DMC, so.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
You're expecting the past that and studied it.

Speaker 6 (10:17):
I was like, okay, you that is the key word
you said, past respected it.

Speaker 5 (10:22):
To why I knew like y'all didn't even walk around
no data song, we for go damn we make people
think y'all run m C. But but quietly, when I
when I met Big and Dre, they did from run
DM she run DMC. Type ship. When I met them.
They came up to my job and caught them. They
go to try City High school. At the time, my
attsistant go to the same high school. I'm out of
high school. So but they heard about us because ray

(10:43):
they heard about us or whatever. So this little white
girl find give Bunca her credit. Bianca white girl worked
at then worked at the beauty spot store.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
Wow, a white girl maybe the beauty.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
She's so many.

Speaker 5 (11:04):
You have worked at and worked at the business by
stuff that I was I was managing, I was running.

Speaker 6 (11:10):
She can't come to come to work.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
She be like, Rico, this guy that goes to school
with me, twe to keep asking me you want to
wrap for y'all to one And every day she was
saying and I would be like, I wouldn't fuck with her. Really,
I wann't really trip on it. See, I won't really
say nothing. But then one day she said, it's like
one day she might get me a favor or something
like she might stay at.

Speaker 6 (11:27):
An extra or or like we usually work together.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
And I was like left her there when I went
to some stuff, and she was like, so you're gonna,
I say, you know what, tomorrow, let him come up
here and towy end up being and towing patting.

Speaker 6 (11:39):
It was a big boy and.

Speaker 5 (11:40):
They might have been sixteen. It was in tenth grade
because it took a couple of years, like yeah, bray
then no, actually sixteen year a big boy, know what
I'm saying. Like I was probably nineteen. They were probably
sixteen and big boy. No, no, no, I bring it.
They had ball heads. Really they came to my job
with ball.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
So you you on the perfect always blunt hair.

Speaker 5 (12:02):
But it was like really hip hop, like they came
up from cut off, cut off, cut off shorts, wow,
with their thermos on up underneath it all.

Speaker 6 (12:10):
The ship reminded me of that.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
The history of fucking ain't done.

Speaker 6 (12:13):
Some ship riding me and me remind me of They
were dark skinned, remind me of my little brothers.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
I'm like, imagine, I'm already out high school and I
raised two little sisters basically almost the same. When you
heard Being and dre flow, you said I could, and
it ain't just heard they flow the commitment. It's like
I feel the nerves, I feel everything. I'm like cause
I'm bossed up. I'm standing by my blades dropped top
front in front of the place. My blades are dropped
top home rams on.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
The original range Boy first fifteens.

Speaker 5 (12:43):
In the back, I'm sitting in front of a stow
that looked like I own it, even though it's like
it's I'm working for like my like my father.

Speaker 6 (12:49):
So look we're looking good like I'm sitting in the parket.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
I got homies hanging around a cool Breason and Gilt
might have been in the parky like for another meeting,
but the Shamee gang because we all the people and
they're doing music, but ain't. As I said, we done
met with Pebbles. At this point, we already got a group.
We already had a group that had that PA was
signed the Pelvi. That's right, K, they was already signed.

Speaker 6 (13:11):
The Pebbles.

Speaker 5 (13:11):
TLC had already came out, and I put TLC together
even though we hadn't produced waterfowls yet.

Speaker 6 (13:16):
I still because I used to work at that same
beauty supply store.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Really, yeah, a lot of people don't know you had
jo hands, not just in with al Kas goodie mob
PA and all him and organized noise, but also on
the left.

Speaker 6 (13:29):
Nobody wouldn't they would have never met left.

Speaker 5 (13:30):
I once for me, are you serious? Nobody Nobody left
I would have been introduced to Lanto music scene. Left
I was dancing behind this guy named Lorenzo Sleepy because
we was in the dance group too.

Speaker 6 (13:42):
Sleepy through tie tied her father.

Speaker 5 (13:45):
He used to manage the book Little Chiping Circuit show
down Tallahassee. And they wanted some yeeking behind Lorenzo. So
they came and got me, and they can't get Sleepy
Sleepy brought me and ramone in, but left I was
already there. Her name was q T and they they
really was gonna get rid of the real really was
gonna get rid of that.

Speaker 6 (14:05):
Her birthday just passed to.

Speaker 5 (14:08):
So they was gonna get rid of Lisa though, because
because the man was like, man, we want to have guys,
want to get them on some Bobby Brown type ship,
like we won't know about the girl thing. But she
was so fine and so cute. I jumped right on it.
It's like, as soon as you get while, you get
rid of.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Personal.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
She was. She was a super talent man. She could
play classical piano. She was light skinned with a big
old but she came from Philly. She just came from Philly,
so you might video when he said the girl girl
with the lollipop Lisa, Yes, she was bank clothes just
like here she went rid of that thick and she
went really that thick. Both of them was beautiful. They

(14:50):
had to put baking clothes on the high all that rump.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
Like back then when big booties wasn't cool.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Now it's the dang.

Speaker 6 (14:56):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
Wait a minute. So I know you had your hands
and so much.

Speaker 7 (14:59):
History and and introducing a lot of people. But like
I said, I'm sitting next to two legends.

Speaker 6 (15:06):
One legendary, right.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Legend.

Speaker 6 (15:12):
I'm saying something he did y'all meet?

Speaker 7 (15:14):
Though, how did y'all the first time y'all met one
of y'all?

Speaker 6 (15:17):
Can you remember?

Speaker 5 (15:18):
Well, well, me, it wouldn't even necessarily be what I'm saying.
That's when you're legend, Like I didn't meet him like
as a I didn't meet him like nobody saying like yo,
this is this. It is more about you have to
know who people are sometimes because now they coming up
in your life.

Speaker 6 (15:34):
It's almost like like you.

Speaker 7 (15:36):
Remember the first time y'all met either one of y'all.

Speaker 6 (15:38):
I remember like before, like I remember.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
You at the at the Phoenix. This is a nightclub
over in Atlanta Marietta Street. It was that spot. It
was all the hip hop heads. You were running to
Q tip five dollar reco away everybody.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
That's what I'm saying, Like Michael Dobson all Michael, he
might have been, he might have been, he might have
been hosted that.

Speaker 6 (16:03):
That was a hip hop.

Speaker 5 (16:03):
Club that became the first place dance Baggy Small was
performed at first with Craig Max performed.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
That they would come down here break Yes John Little
John DJ Little Johnny.

Speaker 5 (16:19):
It was the hottest smile like myself. Now we're breaking
on the scene. These are Jerry Is somebody that's Now
you got to find out about the other people.

Speaker 6 (16:26):
On the scene.

Speaker 5 (16:27):
Radio people, your mask people that but but people that
are not just like cause you're looking at it as
these people hands off. These people were not on your
radar when you're making demos. People are not on your
radar when you trying to get your record. They don't
become the people you worry about until you actually have
a record deal. So you actually now to where But
you've been seeing these people that spikes, we never knew

(16:48):
what they did. So to a certain degree you look
at them as being bigger head because we ran into.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Each other years later we started having common dialogue.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
Yeah, because now it's almost like so it's all like
a certain degree they would get not the fact because
I'm like you kind of looking at them.

Speaker 6 (17:04):
It's like they already in.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
Right, they was already in because they was he might
have been working for different labels and doing stuff. They're
trying to become somebody that's on your I'm saying schedule.
So it's almost like that's why the first when I
talk about the other Jerry saying mean ain't the truth.
It's just more like when you want to when you're
trying to get in the game, you resent all the
people that's in it, right, you know what I'm saying,
but not purposely you know what I'm saying. So that

(17:25):
was like me first knowing him would be more of
some like okay, that's.

Speaker 6 (17:29):
That do this today?

Speaker 5 (17:31):
I got to like, so it's almost it wouldn't be
as much of a friendship. It's like like an acquaintance,
which where you know, like like then the more you
see people, you realize like cool, no, no, we're a family.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
That's exactly and I mentioned this on a previous show.
That's one thing that I love about Atlanta. See it
seems like more of a family. Yeah, that clicks and
all that stuff, But at the same time you realize
Atlanta's music industry is more of a family. There hasn't
been like any real life just I mean, of course,
I'm sure behind the scenes there's been some animost stuff there.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
At the same time.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
If I don't see Rico for a year, don't talk
to him, I can text him and say, hey man,
we're running to each other somewhere, and it's all is love.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
It ain't none of that fake phony shit.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
You're right.

Speaker 7 (18:14):
That's why I never know. That's why I never went home.
That's why I came in. Scar Face brought me here
to work on the project, and I never went home
because I could not believe that people that I watched
on TV. Okay, just random at the gas station, walking
in and out of the studio. Okay, we was right
next to What's big.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
Boy in the studio, Uh, stank on here? And I
was like, stank on there.

Speaker 7 (18:36):
I ain't there somewhere walking in and out with the
dollar dude. And I'm from Little Orangebury.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
South Carolina.

Speaker 7 (18:44):
Right, I ain't never seen people driving these kind of cars,
and and and everybody I saw it myseful what I
thought everybody was a rapper or drug dealer. Right, And
but then it come to find out some people just
worked regular.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
Jobs and still had nice cars.

Speaker 6 (19:00):
Main saying, but okay.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
Let me ask you something.

Speaker 7 (19:01):
Have y'all ever worked together on any level?

Speaker 5 (19:04):
But actually I remember with the Ennerscope deal, like like
we haven't. We haven't, like we talked about it, some
us personally getting together doing some stuff like for this
new project. But like actually back in the day, I
remember this one reason why I started like probably like
favoring toward them. I remember, like some of my Interscope
stuff when I was just starting to I was starting to.

Speaker 6 (19:23):
Look for my allies because.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
At this point I know that financially my company has
been responsible for making sure even if I'm come out
of my pocket. The fact that I had deals with
an Innerscope or or the Face or even like Little
when you're working with you do a song for like
corrupt anybody like small or whatever. They try to like
ask who are the people in Alanda that can help
really break a record, Because everybody would take you. Anybody

(19:49):
could take your money. Anybody can take.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
Yeah that still happens to this day.

Speaker 6 (19:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, anybody can take your money.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
But and they can run it through the required requirements
and things that you know that it takes to you know,
as far as because it's smaller markets, it's not just
I'm gonna get you on V and get you on
one O seven. We got Columbus, we got Makeing, we
got these markets. These places can help build you up
and also can get you something going to where you
can actually get get some shows. Like that's why the

(20:17):
younger generation, that's what they're doing without the necessary leading
off with the radio or whatever, because you got perished
them because parents helped out with Rocko and Future stuff
early on or whatever. But but like, but I remember
like a couple of times when I would be places
and I knew I had a bunch of stuff going on,
and I knew we would burn records out because it
was Atlanta and we was loved. They might just start
playing Looking for Niki for a Little Will. They might

(20:38):
start playing Holiday for Wish Doctor. But now the rest
of the country ain't really playing it.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
But those two records you just said, those are two
records that was produced by organized nors, not.

Speaker 5 (20:46):
Not looking for NICKI we produced, but Holiday was was
produced by Circe and I didn't even know. No a
matter of fact, I say both of the guys names
that Rob down Rob.

Speaker 6 (21:01):
It's a black.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Market, black market like market entertainment, black market black market was.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
Quiet being me. Okay, I haven't it with scrappy or something.

Speaker 6 (21:11):
Right like you said though, but that's legion.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
Legion they started in the community radio. They said, I
do know, but that's.

Speaker 6 (21:20):
Me black market entertainment.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
And to have them a lawyer, right.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
He's an attorney here.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
Okay. So see I'm doing a little bit now. You
talked about your your deal. I'm just sitting here. You know,
I'm over here. You're telling me so much history. I
didn't know. I'm over here of course reading about it.

Speaker 7 (21:33):
So it says you walked away from a seven, walked
away from seventeen million to leave and scope.

Speaker 6 (21:38):
Yeah, yeah, tell me about that.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
Well, well, and that's just the last year story.

Speaker 6 (21:42):
So not just because they printed it.

Speaker 5 (21:45):
Now, we put out a documentary The Art of Organized Noise,
and I had I just tried because people, you know
what I'm saying, especially now because I'm going through some
iris stuff or whatever, and people and people might say, like, like,
how you having any kind of problems when you had
twenty million dollars. It's like I didn't have twenty million dollars.
I had a twenty million dollar deal. And it's a
big difference what I'm saying. But legally I could have

(22:07):
stayed in their pockets for more. Of when I say
I walked away and left seventeen million on the table
is that we didn't have to like we had contract.
That's one thing about this business. The same way they
hold you accountable when you're blowing up, you try to
walk away like nah man, we still war some album
like like we can hold them accountable, like like I didn't.

Speaker 6 (22:23):
My deal wasn't up now.

Speaker 5 (22:25):
But I was a little I was depressed because of
my failures with the artists.

Speaker 6 (22:29):
Maybe Little Will. I'm saying, the fact Little Will.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Albums, what did you take deal?

Speaker 5 (22:32):
You had Cool Breathe, Watch for the Key, all that
Baby Baby and all that stuff which Doctor Holiday, all
that stuff was and Little Wheel looking for Nikki, And
I had a few other artists that I had done signed.
It didn't come out, So they gave me so much
car blunt. So where like you know, we built the
millionaires steel at my house, we done bought houses. So

(22:53):
we was saying we was getting something. We were spending money,
but we had more than we could have spent spun.
But but it was the fact that the success is
that they wouldn't we needed a TLC success like Kilo
was doing good, which stock was doing good, but it
ended up.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
So it wasn't on that level. Y'all set a high
bar rego set a high fut might have sold at
this point, but all of them that went gold and platinum.
I mean, the koop Breeze at that point was maybe
almost gold. Wish Doctors at three hundred thousand and Kilo
was at over one hundred two hundred thousand. You know
what I'm saying, Keylo has probably got gold now, which
doctors over gold now and Kopbries is like platinum or whatever.

(23:28):
But but at that time, so when like they was
failures or whatever. But then when the only artist number
ones that came out, So when you say not seventeen
million on the table, it technically wasn't seventeen million in hardcast.

Speaker 6 (23:39):
No, it wasn't.

Speaker 5 (23:40):
It was just that like see once you signed a
country once, once we signed that deal, it was a
tweenty million dollars deal. That money was allocated, alligated, that
money allocated me like it was set aside for us.
It was already. It wasn't something they had to I
didn't have to make no money, make no more money.
I could have spent up to twenty million dollars in
trying to make them some money I got based on them.

Speaker 6 (24:01):
I got I to spend.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
After sucking up three or four million, I was like,
you know it, I'm go ahead.

Speaker 7 (24:05):
I'm gonna stop.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
So that takes a.

Speaker 7 (24:08):
Line like that, that right there, it's like what you
just said. And I think these artists today, man, and
you know, Jerry and I we talk about it hot
with different guests because the process, while it's still the
same as a whole lot different with it being viral
and digital, and it takes a lot of the work
out of it. And I think that they see the
flash and here twenty million dollars or seventy million dollars

(24:30):
in automatically, boom, I got this check. I'm gonna just
go do whatever.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
I'm good.

Speaker 7 (24:33):
But like you just said it's allocated. They didn't just say, okay,
you know, let me kind out in twenty million quick,
don't take it.

Speaker 6 (24:39):
To the house.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
But but it's definitely you two where when like once
you each each each each point, you get to to
where you be like, okay, I just turned in these rects,
turn the record, they release another one point something me
I just turned this thin and turn this in.

Speaker 6 (24:51):
They released this and that.

Speaker 5 (24:53):
So it's almost like you do what you're supposed to
do and they doing.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
It and they And with the Innerscope deal, it was
cool breed.

Speaker 5 (25:00):
Which doctor which doctor, Louis Luill them the four records
that came out. But also I did a deal within
the Interscope deal. I had to deal with Karen Mason.
Karen Mason, she's she's working. She was working for one
Are Electric back then, but now she does a lot
of a lot of.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
And all these deals was through organized noise.

Speaker 5 (25:20):
Yes, organized noise as So you had before you a
contribution deal with in the Scope.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
So and then before that, of course you had the
outcast goodie mobs through and that was through let's face,
let me ask you a question, out of all the
artists that you all worked with, meaning you all you
and Organized Noise. What artists and this is not throwing
any dirt on them, but what artists would you look

(26:01):
back and be most disappointed in that they didn't blow?

Speaker 3 (26:04):
They had the.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Skills, of course, because for you all the sound great question,
Which artists would you look back? And you may say
you had done some things different. I'm sure they will
to whoever it is, But what artists that came through
the organized Noise pipeline would you say you would be
most disappointed in.

Speaker 6 (26:23):
Yeah, that's kind of hard to say, but it's really
I mean.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Let me before you answer, let me just say who.
I was expecting a whole lot more.

Speaker 6 (26:31):
From Cool Breathe.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Because when I heard that watch for the hook I
think I think both of us might have answered the question.

Speaker 5 (26:40):
It's not it's not a knock on Cool, it's just
being like saying, like we.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Expect I think the expectation because when I heard the
watch for the hook rack, even though it was the
whole crew, It's just that when I heard him, so.

Speaker 5 (26:51):
We put put, we put we introduced it correctly, we
did it right, like like God blessed us. Where like
I remember that because I remember that. Pressure were like,
let me tell you something. I remember. They they can't
they came looking for him. It wasn't like it wasn't
just like they came looking for him. The white folks
came looking for him. The white folks, you say, the

(27:12):
white for the folks in the label. They hit me, man,
they said, cool breeze, what's that ship? I'm sitting I'm
sitting in the office. I'm sitting in the office. This
is my homeboy, who did Dirty South?

Speaker 6 (27:23):
Who? Who? Really?

Speaker 5 (27:24):
Ain't anybody asked anybody trying to give him no record
dealt you know what I'm saying, because everybody, anybody really
get to him. They only know him through us who
so so? So I was like, I'm not really rushing it.
I know I got him on point. I know that's
one of my homies.

Speaker 6 (27:36):
He down.

Speaker 5 (27:37):
I'm still I'm still putting money in this pipe. Whenever
a show come up with something, he produced to He's
the one who came up with the Dirty South one
to the two three, the four Dirty.

Speaker 6 (27:49):
Dog everybody hands and.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
I heard him as an artists out of here.

Speaker 6 (27:58):
Yeah. So I was like, I said, thought you South?

Speaker 5 (28:02):
The first time you really heard South was like that
so and it was just a lot of so and
at that time, like he got that mace, he got
the he had.

Speaker 6 (28:13):
Everything was there.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
So it was really I remember watching but I was
in South Carolina.

Speaker 6 (28:17):
And yeah, and what happened was that so now in
the scope. Literally this was so real.

Speaker 5 (28:21):
I remember being out there with Jimmy, Jimmy, I Bean
and I don't mind telling it because it was like
and it was like Jimmy Jimmy was like, so, so
what are we gonna be?

Speaker 6 (28:30):
So we're gonna do this deal with what are we
gonna do? I said, Man, I want to do? He said?
He said, what's up with the cool Brees?

Speaker 5 (28:36):
Guy?

Speaker 6 (28:36):
Wow?

Speaker 5 (28:36):
So so I was like, we won't you, but we
won't cool No, No, we won't you. But I mean,
here goes some artists. Maybe he was how about that
cool Wees got? And I wanted this girl band called
Edith Wish.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Out of Atlanta.

Speaker 5 (28:51):
They were like three. They end up signing. They end
up signing with Ariston didn't do the I'm saying, this
is what this. Jimmy Ivan got the private G five,
So your let's go back. I just go back and
sign these two groups that you speak of. You said
you wish was done. You said you can get cool.
Breed said you can get easy to wish. Okay, let's

(29:13):
go back and get them. I'm gonna show you. I'm
with you, I'm backing you. I'm your new business partner
in the music. But now that's cool, Bree, Yeah, that's cool.
So so we so we get on the g Fire,
the private first time riding on you know what I'm saying,
playing on even go that far and the skys Ma going. Man,
I'm like, wow, this is awesome. It's like, folks, this
is like I'm like you said, you said for a

(29:33):
little country nigga for.

Speaker 6 (29:37):
I'm just like, man, this is like, this is real,
Like this ship is real.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
What I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
You had already made money. This was.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Already made.

Speaker 5 (29:44):
I made money, but this was more about like I
ain't been on a private plane before. I hadn't somebody
treating you. I had been treated well, but this is
this is the whole was another level of money. It
was this was this went from us playing with me
a couple of million, now we're playing with opportunity twenty million.
This is before they get baby thirty million. This is
what I'm saying, like, so once we fly back, we

(30:04):
go to the hotel, we get the top floor, we
gotta get the Swiss or something. And they said, so
call up artists, so cool brees. That's why I fuck
it was my dude, Like I called him up. He said,
whatever you want to do, read, let's do it. I said,
how much you need? How much you want to give me?
About one hundred thousand or something, saying you know what
I'm saying, So you know what I'm saying about it
did that, then the girl grew Edith Wish.

Speaker 6 (30:24):
They didn't want to do it.

Speaker 5 (30:24):
They end up going with Clive Davis and the matter
of fact of that's who I was. Basically my success
that I had had was with Clive and an Aristra.
I was leaving them quietly to go work with in
the scope. Basically you know what I'm saying. But but
but Edith Wish, that's what convinced them.

Speaker 6 (30:41):
They was like shit. They was like, man, we were
the one who's working with him.

Speaker 5 (30:44):
But but but when I was working with them, it
was also through the face. So Edith Wish end up
going there or whatever, and the Kool Brees I end
up signing the Cool Bries things. So like when it
was trying to Coolbries record, it was like, man, we
gotta come with it. So it's like even though he
was working on the album, it was like this ship
was dope. It was dope, but it was like it
really ain't because we were still pumping out cast records

(31:06):
out and our cast was getting better with their production,
not just what we were doing. By this time they
did them. They did hush that fuss. They probably was
on to.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
It was after.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Because because organized No York after Southern playerlist of Cadillac
Music album, how much You at Aliens album.

Speaker 6 (31:24):
Which is our half of it? Be half of it.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
So it was slowly they were none in a bad way.
This is in themselves because they were starting to do
their own ship did.

Speaker 5 (31:33):
All the sudden playlist and it wasn't even at l yeah,
winn't even. This was more like it was more about
because they brought even when Drey did Bumbs with bad Dad,
when did Jackson no No, but when he did it,
they brought it to me. When he first he put
the wrap on it, think about this ship. This is stupid.

Speaker 6 (31:48):
It's almost like you can't. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
So it was like how do I hold your success?

Speaker 5 (31:53):
You hold it.

Speaker 6 (31:54):
I ain't got to worry about doing that, man.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Because he's still your artist.

Speaker 5 (31:59):
Yeah yeah, and y'all, don't you got to hit so
I can see him go trying to make another hit?

Speaker 7 (32:03):
You like it? So?

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Did that? Did that? Did that cause some tension?

Speaker 6 (32:10):
No?

Speaker 5 (32:10):
No, it really was what I'm saying the fact that's
why I love him to the depth to this day.
And I hated to have to say on the documentary. Oh,
y'all didn't thank us, y'all didn't do this because y'all
just forgot because of the business part of me dealing
with in a scope in l A read being in
y'all head every day and him knowing that he was
trying to get the aster, so he needed y'all to
be propping.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Him up, right but the time, so the l A
do a little? Was it a little divisive? Straight up?

Speaker 5 (32:35):
It's as simple as when you're going out to the Grammys,
who is a who's the part of a Grammy party?
Who's like, like, who's going showing up at events with you?
Who is doing certain I mean like if.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
I'm not l A kind of like grabbed him and
said I'm not.

Speaker 5 (32:48):
I'm not doing it because of the fact that, like
I'm busy, I got this Innerscope deal and I don't
try to felt a certain way about that. Now the
didn't feel no kind of way about it.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
I'm just saying, but it just kind of opened the door.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
L A. That's an honest excuse, and it's reason for
for out of sight, out of mind.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
So not to compare it, but it's like you with
a chick and you out of town traveling and you
ain't giving her as much time, and the dude swoop
people like, baby, I'm gonna take you to the movie.
You man right, I'm gonna take you and they're like,
oh yeah, my dude out of time he was he
he don't spend that much time with me.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
So it's not to compare to the bro but I'm
just saying they're not.

Speaker 5 (33:28):
And even more so, this is like this is a
family that that you used to seeing together. You got
to got a mother day, you got you got a
mom and a dad that's always together, but now dead
is doing something else. Mom was always there anyway, l
A was always there, but now I'm not there.

Speaker 6 (33:46):
So when you see you thinking thanks mom.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
So was it any years of life?

Speaker 5 (33:50):
Like sports athletes, I'm pretty sure they did be there,
but the first person they think is this their mom.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
And the dad be there ryme winning every game out
in the yard.

Speaker 5 (33:59):
So so I brought it up because I was then
bothered me a little bit.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
But as a man though, was it turmoil? Was it
any beef? Was it ever in that?

Speaker 6 (34:06):
And? Never? No turmoil?

Speaker 5 (34:08):
And the reason why I went no turmoil is because
of they still played, They still looked up to me,
you know what I'm saying. And if anything I acknowledged
why I was a little distant was because l A
read me and him wasn't really cool. It was turmoil.
Was me and l A read between organized No, it's
in the face.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
And what he was doing.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Essence looking at it just just just straight up you
felt like you all felt like la did some fun
ship and trying to do some old Divide and Concker
type ship like I would never.

Speaker 5 (34:38):
I wouldn't know, I mean because because I'm not only
is he like my mentor mentor type of person to me?
Like he if I said he did some fun ship,
I gotta say it to his face first, so he
say I got because I felt like that I would
tell him if you did some function, they gonna tell
you, you know what you did?

Speaker 4 (35:02):
Hey, you know what, I'm like, I don't.

Speaker 5 (35:04):
I'm gonna tell you. So I was like, but he
just I'm saying he did. I learned stuff from him too.
He wiggled the right way business wise. What's the word
that you true?

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yes, that's true.

Speaker 5 (35:17):
Like I moved, but I did to deal with and
I talked to him about it. I said, man, when
I did deal with in the scope I needed you
to beat my big brother.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Then, Oh for y'all to deal that that now I'm
thinking about it.

Speaker 6 (35:28):
I couldn't afford to.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
He wasn't a position yet.

Speaker 5 (35:31):
He couldn't afford to the Face Records had they had
sole part of the Face to Arista already. So what
he was trying to offer us wasn't as much as
he said, Okay, I'm gonna offer you a record deal
that we're gonna have fifty to fifty.

Speaker 6 (35:42):
But I only own twenty five percent of my fifty.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Like like twentyve Rico Rico Rico, looking back at it hindsight,
with you all having a strong relationship and having had success,
I know with La. Do you look back sometimes, do
you ra impact look back and say, you know what,
maybe we just rolled with La because we had already
had successful man even if the check wasn't as big,
because I know in my career I've looked at West

(36:08):
check was bigger, but I'm like, I probably could have had.

Speaker 6 (36:11):
A longer run. We most definitely, we, most definitely.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
You would have rolled with La no matter what happened.

Speaker 5 (36:16):
Then maybe most definitely we most definitely would have had
to leave or get that check because we would have
hated l A.

Speaker 6 (36:21):
My niggas was already mad.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
It would have been a lot of boys throwed out
there at that time if we didn't, because us and
the outcasts would have had to.

Speaker 6 (36:27):
Share that same deal.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
You never see the story that Tony, the story that
Tony Braxton tails, the story that TLC tals y'all ain't no,
ain't gonna tell it and Musher ain't gonna tell it
because the people that they was with didn't have to
they have to split it with him.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
If like, if we would have still the whole deal
with Jimmy Ivan was way better than La red deal.

Speaker 5 (36:49):
Yes, La La reliberated like literally gave people freedom that
we just couldn't handle. We had, we had way more
money to spend and throw around. We just we just
you said, l A, you that Jimmy, Jimmy. Jimmy paid
l A's debts. Wow, Jimmy took care of us.

Speaker 6 (37:06):
Man.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
Jimmy took care of us. L A got to his man.
So so we got the better relationship at this very day. Like,
I'm sorry that, I mean, that's all. I'm disappointed by
what they're saying. Big brother dig I'm like, I know,
I know it's coming down to any female that's not
a problem. That's not that can't be a problem like that.
So that's just being greedy, being greedy, like because they

(37:27):
want to say that that he harass people. So if
you're ready, mean you're being overly flirtasted some something. So
my job requires for me to to to not complment
the girl on her ass because are not not make
my eyes not look at them titties? Well, ye there
what I'm gonna do. That's like that that's the the
job requirement. Means that that was the job requirement.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
But this industry we work, I don't.

Speaker 5 (37:55):
Know, I'm playing like like if that's what if those
are the same thing. Like, man, you come and smell like,
we lose a job. If you, if you, if you,
if you, if you're coming here alcohol on your brother,
you're losing your job. Just give me the requirements. That
don't mean I'm not going to smoke weed, don't mean
I'm not gonna treat alcohol, but I'm not gonna do
it on the job. I can forgure outside this motherfucker.

(38:17):
I can see girls whatever I want to see him.
But if that's the setup, you gotta realize, man, sometimes
that's the setup.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Relationship with you in l a read? But is there
any formal relationship personal?

Speaker 4 (38:29):
Have you talk to him since this happened.

Speaker 6 (38:31):
I haven't called him since it happened because I'm embarrassed.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
But for him, this happened. We were talking about the sexurasmus.

Speaker 6 (38:41):
But his birthday is coming up June seventh.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
You should call him.

Speaker 6 (38:45):
I am.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Relationship.

Speaker 6 (38:52):
I mean not that I even boyd this ship. Now
I have to say something. I can't be talking relations
with Jimmy Ivan.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Is that relationship with Jimmy Ivan?

Speaker 5 (38:57):
You know what, Jimmy Ivan, I believe that I believe
the day is love. You know what I'm saying last
time I seen him, I know Jamie, I know his wife,
his kids. I mean I feel like his nephew.

Speaker 6 (39:08):
DJ or whatever like you man, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
So it's it's love. That's family. Like I know the family.
I know I've been. I spent a part of the years.
They really brought me into their home.

Speaker 5 (39:18):
But every day I can't call jim And that's I
got something to tell him that's gonna make him some money.
But if I ever if I ever have something that
yo yo, Jimmy, ain't recall us do it. That's like
it's love. Big regions, right, what about Drian Big Yeah, yeah,
absolutely big. But the boomer Verse coming out right now, yeah,

(39:41):
sixteen we got songs on now, we got.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
So it's so organized noise and and and big Boy.
I'm back.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
Back, big by, big Boy put checking out count everything
like we stay as long as he working, were making
some taking stand up ship. He's taking Ray out on
the road with him, like doing DJ and stuff.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
That's why that's my dollar.

Speaker 5 (40:03):
Hey, Steve, y'all doing background. So he did he never
forgot well well well not just forgot. He it's just
like it's supposed to be He just said, like, I
feel better doing it when y'all around doing it.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
It keeps gets it real, It keeps it real like
this is. And you know in the industry that's so fake.

Speaker 7 (40:25):
Man like, if you can find some people that started
with you when it was real and you can keep
him around you to keep some shred of actual realness.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
That's why I was so glad when Big and his
wife when they was about to separate.

Speaker 7 (40:37):
Man, I prayed so hard and they got back together
because I was like, no, I don't want them to
break up, because they will never he especially will never
find anything like you know what he had heard, just
because of the authenticity of it.

Speaker 5 (40:49):
But yeah, oh and you know what, man like, when
went through it, he went through or whatever, that's what
it was, a similar sexual harassment.

Speaker 6 (41:01):
That's se just put his foot in his mouth.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
I remember now.

Speaker 5 (41:05):
He said he had beat the charge and just said
something real fly d lady, Well, well he said something
fly like.

Speaker 6 (41:12):
I only want to bring it up.

Speaker 5 (41:14):
It's about breaking the window if how you know the
windows broke, if it went no glass on the ground,
boys stout, I'm saying some shit like that.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Hey, you talking, you all have a solid relationship still
and other members we got relationship.

Speaker 5 (41:25):
Like at that point when I saw that, when that happened,
I didn't really say that to him about it. I
didn't call him whatever. But when I saw other people
taking digs at him, and I look still, and I
saw how he was like taking the lower the lower role,
like I mean that lower ro but the high road
of like saying not saying nothing really just kind of
like removing itself from the scene. That's when I had
to call my little brother and be like, heym' tell

(41:46):
you something about about who you are. First of all,
you know, you was raised by your mama and you
got a sister. That this with you right now, I said,
And that ain't never been a problem with you. I
mean whatever, now, you always had a fly mouth, and
you just you got fly at the mouth and inappropriate
in an inappropriate moment or whatever when people were feeling
a little sensitive about it or whatever. Like accept that
except that that you made a mistake and said something wrong.

(42:09):
You ain't did nothing wrong. So it ain as bad
as you think. But the perceptions everything.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Come back. Like big boy does he you know, because
he's had a lot.

Speaker 5 (42:18):
Of s since that moment. And not saying that made
him need his family more, but was reminded him what
family was.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
Ford though, started reuniting.

Speaker 5 (42:31):
Goodie Mob reunited that I'm saying when that happened, that's
what stopped Goodie Mob because Goodie Mond was actually there
was stuff going on.

Speaker 6 (42:37):
It was he had already got the boys back together.
They had to show on TVs.

Speaker 5 (42:40):
They had a lot of little for me and end
up losing some of that stuff or whatever like whatever
because of that. But after that, you know, after you know,
after it looked like you know, everybody tried to black
bottom of the but like you know, we had to
stand up. Well, we'll just show him like you know,
I mean like like like yeah, yeah, like for real,
up like that, like like like like he ain't raped nobody.

Speaker 6 (43:00):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (43:01):
He said something dumb after he got after his charges
was dismissed, which was arrogance and like.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Guilty of arrogance anything. So before we get out of here.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
I got, I'm sorry, I got, I would be remissed.

Speaker 6 (43:13):
I remember your name to Tany, I do remember TANGI
like you, I do remember that name.

Speaker 7 (43:18):
I do.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Really, Like she said, I'm trying to think. It's like
she got trying to get to say.

Speaker 7 (43:28):
You do no, but not no no, because I know
his baby mama kid you yeah, got that. I love
his little boys little, but they grown now. I ain't
see the man years you're talking my ninth grade.

Speaker 6 (43:42):
Ninth grade, we got kids.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Damn I got that.

Speaker 6 (43:47):
Yeah, I ain't paying for college yet.

Speaker 7 (43:49):
Well I am so I feel I'm not too over
the off camera you see, so least I got a question.
I'm feaking the family future. I would be remiss if
I did not mentioned future future is your blood cousins,
my blood, your mama's sister, son, and something.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
Like, what is this?

Speaker 5 (44:02):
It's my daddy is my daddy's side, My daddy's my
daddy's brother, your daddy brother, my uncle, my daddy, my
daddy brother is future's granddaddy.

Speaker 7 (44:11):
Okay, your daddy brother, your granddad so so so, so
you're like third because taking third becuse I was got
to count day they have to count how many removed
they are having kids together?

Speaker 5 (44:25):
Makes you know what I'm saying exactly what it's about.
So my daddy and and his and his granddaddy so
so so like his granddaddy is my uncle. But his
granddaddy child is Nate, which is my cousin. This his
future's daddy, which is closing up the first what it

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is that but it is that future age like like
I'm like twelve, thirteen years old in the future, so
like his daddy might be eight years old than me.
You know, I'm saying his daddy might be fifty something,
but future might be early thirties. I'm forty five, so
it was like my future. So so it's like so
it's almost like I'm like an uncle look at but
really I'm like I'm really legally I'm a cousin.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
But like, so what at what point did you know?

Speaker 7 (45:10):
I mean, were y'all close as he was growing up
because he's so much older than did you know he
was even doing music?

Speaker 6 (45:15):
Did He wasn't doing no music until he met me,
Like like like he was he was rapping. He was rapping.

Speaker 5 (45:21):
He was like my dad and them because I didn't
I didn't gro up around my dad, so I didn't
meet my dad, so I was them twelve and then
then after that, my daddy was a provider, like he
would give me money every birthday from that point on.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
But you didn't like to go over to the house.

Speaker 6 (45:35):
As soon as I started doing music and I started
popping a little bit, like.

Speaker 4 (45:39):
All the family start going.

Speaker 6 (45:42):
Like that.

Speaker 5 (45:43):
More like I just felt like my mom would say
my daddy started calling my mom like and I felt
I felt some kind of way like where was you
when I was? I just felt like, man, you don't know, dude,
I love you to death. You just we don't talk.
You gave me my first he gave my first thousand
dollars when I was thirteen fourteen. You gave me three

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thousand dollars when I was sixteen, bought me a car.
Like like, we ain't talk, but you provided so like
like quietly. If anything, I probably something that.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
Made you how you were about the Dungeon family. Think
about it. That's exactly what you say.

Speaker 5 (46:20):
You know.

Speaker 7 (46:20):
When I look at these pictures and I see you
standing in the middle like these old pictures, and I
see them all standing around you like these old pictures
or whatever, that's exactly what.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
You are to them. A per He paid what he said,
He made sure said something.

Speaker 5 (46:34):
In his Dungeon family, and I think that's what that's all.
People look at you as the page. Yeah, so something
was like and back then people would look at like
the dope boy. And and what made us greater was
that it wasn't that simple. It wasn't about but I
wasn't selling drugs. But but yes, people got to realize
drug dealers are become They are the patriots a certain neighborhoods.

Speaker 6 (46:55):
And the ones that gonna make sure yours giving.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
Paved.

Speaker 5 (47:01):
They're gonna make sure that the community should get taken
care of a little bit more or whatever.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
Like And but when the future come to you, how
was he?

Speaker 6 (47:09):
Your future was.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
Probably like I remember being at I'm going to a funeral,
going to a funeral one of my uncles passed away,
and I remember my dad them being like, you got
a cousin that rapped that can shoot basketball. The really
was like, man, your cousin me head boy, bigger ass head.
I said, I know my brother Rocks. Be like, man, me,

(47:30):
it's a white boy shoot basketball. He said, he said,
but but you said Rock is in Roco Are your brother? Yeah,
that's that's crazy. My brother name is Rock and col
him Rocco. But it's not the Rocco from from Rock
because because if he if he was our cousin, he
went have been suing.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Future, how did that happy?

Speaker 6 (47:55):
We're gonna do that? Like you said?

Speaker 4 (47:57):
That funeral?

Speaker 6 (47:58):
He was at the funeral whatever.

Speaker 5 (47:59):
And and at this point, my daddy had told me
I had a little cousin that rapped, But I thought
it was a dude from Kurtwood because our family from
Kurtwood to Kurtwood myself something. He's just somebody in the
hood that came up to my dad and my dad
old trap less you know what I'm saying, selling dope,
don't more like that.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
But yeah, yeah, but.

Speaker 6 (48:20):
Back then he moved them oh G.

Speaker 7 (48:23):
O G.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:25):
So and so that's when I thought we had I
thought he went ridly my blood. He's just somebody that
they were claiming from the hood. So I end up
at a couple of funerals and I see this nigga again.
I'm like, I see him again. I see him. I
was like, I said, oh, you're still doing your little You.

Speaker 6 (48:40):
Still wrap me?

Speaker 5 (48:40):
Said yeah, I say, I always he probably seventeen eighteen.

Speaker 6 (48:45):
He was young.

Speaker 5 (48:46):
He was he had dropped out of school out of
ninth grade, so I couldn't go back when he was
in school. But I remember I see him at a
couple of funerals. I was like, so you're my real
tal was about it was about two or three years old.

Speaker 6 (49:02):
My daddy. He had about two or three brothers. Tell
me some three brothers had passed.

Speaker 5 (49:08):
But that's why futures granddaddy, Uncle Boot gone like like
like like like futures granddaddy like like which he would
love the most for him to be living right now,
Like that would be the one you would see with him,
like I snoop be having somebody the way you got
his hype from uncle his looks because he's taller than

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his daddy. I'm taller than his daddy. Like he got
his hype from his uncle Boot like I mean, I
mean from his granddad and his granddad, which is my uncle.
So I alled them to pass. Basically a lot of
them past. If it was ten of them, some of
them gone, eight of them so, and two or three
of them have went within like three or four years
or whatever.

Speaker 6 (49:43):
But he came to you, he ate, that's my friends.

Speaker 5 (49:47):
At the funeral with that particular dad. At the funeral,
I was feeling good. It seems like you've been going.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
It's a good your emotional.

Speaker 6 (49:53):
I'm looking at I'm making my dad happy. I'm at
the funeral. I can feel I feel the.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
Love of like like like y'all know know who I am.
I've been on this by now or whatever, y'all see,
I fuck with you.

Speaker 6 (50:03):
I love y'all.

Speaker 5 (50:04):
I'm just like y'all did. I looked like my daddy
the most. I stuttered, I talked fast, so I almost
like It's like I could tell that everybody's looking at me,
not just because the outcast stuff, but because damn, he
looked like I'm guss or whatever. So when I seen
me here, I just pulled him over. I put him
to the side, and I was like, I said, so
you're my real cousin. He'sa liked Yeah, I told you.
I was like, I said, man, I said, how you get?

(50:25):
He said, I rolled up.

Speaker 6 (50:25):
It wasn't now. I said, but you can ride with me.
I take you home. I took I had to roll.

Speaker 5 (50:30):
I took him back to the house with me, and
from that day before I let him start staying at
the house with me.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
Are you serious? From that day? What did you did
he rap in the car? Did he have a CD?

Speaker 7 (50:39):
I mean.

Speaker 5 (50:41):
When I heard him, I was like, oh, yeah, this
nigga dope, like he might have just flow some dope,
but trapp shit. I was like, boy, move on, And
that was like I wanted to find out more about
my father's side too, so I would have him sit
around with me and it really would be more like
he might be trapping, might be doing street ship. But no,
he can get dropped off at my house.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
Okay, he got some places to say. He never got
to worry about You never got a worry about.

Speaker 5 (51:04):
That, even with his son Kobe when he had Kobe.
When he had Kobe, like my son Deuce was just
being born too, so it was like you got a
cool uncle. Now that you got a babysitter. Two boom,
like like my family supposed to be. You want to
work together.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
Though yeah, I was gonna say, but when he don't
say that, like is that, come.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Do something and this next time, let's work.

Speaker 5 (51:24):
Let's work well to be very honest, man, the first
two or three years, he's at my house, like he
wrote Blueberry Young Young for Lulis Chris. He wrote a
couple like he was at the house, and I got
him a record deal. We had him signing dream Works
and the group called the Connect Group called the connect.
I got him to deal with dream works him the
first chain got him all like thirty thousand dollars advance
a piece.

Speaker 6 (51:43):
So I introduced him to the guy, introduced him to it.
I got him like I got his mouth weed on it.

Speaker 5 (51:47):
Then when I went through my hours sting, when I
was losing that house over there at another house, that's
when he ended up linking up with Rocco and a.

Speaker 6 (51:55):
Yeah, yeah, god damn la night and.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
Hey, I know your cousin. Listen, you can come over
to mine. I got a couple.

Speaker 6 (52:10):
Over here.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Don't be with you on Roco. You looked at it's
just business or is that your cousin beef with him?

Speaker 5 (52:15):
No?

Speaker 6 (52:16):
No, not, My cousin's just mad.

Speaker 5 (52:17):
But because the fact that he's claiming so much when really,
come on, man, it ain't like you got it.

Speaker 6 (52:23):
Ain't like that. It ain't like you had to feed
me like that. You took care of me.

Speaker 5 (52:27):
But but, but my cousin, I also got to recognize
friendship means something somebody. Even if he's just let you
use his studio sessions, even though he didn't he didn't
book your studio time, he might let you use the
end of his studio sessions, and so you might look
at like you hustled for that, you crab out for that,
like ship I waited to the end of your session
and I worked for an hour and a half. But
the Mike Wheels and them Sunday did them deep them

(52:49):
producers you met, they was coming to bring Roco beats
right right? So so yeah, you picked out, you got
your beats early in free but you wouldn't even got
them beats around me.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
What's your relationship?

Speaker 5 (53:02):
Have you realized your way to how you got yours
went through him and it worked out. So I was like,
you owe him, you owe him, take care of him,
take for that or whatever. He shouldn't have to ask that.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
We had that conversation with the future.

Speaker 6 (53:15):
No, I hope you hear this.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
Is it like we're family and but he's grown and.

Speaker 5 (53:21):
He rea I love him to death man, So he
can't do no wrong, you know what I'm saying. If anything,
last time I seen him was at his show and
I got got went up there and got me free
T shirts, free jackets, backstage passes, brought my little lem
yar old son watching the show on the side of
the stage, playing with his son, prince.

Speaker 4 (53:40):
But I have seen give you credit a lot sever credit.

Speaker 6 (53:45):
I don't. I don't bother me.

Speaker 5 (53:47):
I show up, but when I show up, I speak
to be treated just like how I'm saying, Like like
I talked to.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
His mom and and away you future.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
We family.

Speaker 5 (53:56):
Let's keep it like yll blood blood you always. I'm
also problem. I'm extra proud of them, but I don't.
If I'm needed for some business stuff, he can go
here and he will like whatever. But but most of
the time, like like you know what I'm saying, he
listened and learned a lot. I give him credit. He
really did. He he really did pick up all my

(54:17):
game and say like he love in my that's my thought.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
That's a lot of games.

Speaker 6 (54:21):
Yeah, in my thought process.

Speaker 5 (54:22):
D C. He'll scorpio, so I'm pism the water sign,
so he's scorpio. He got flavored, he got my piece
he got and he got the same d n A.
He just got to get the same morals in the same.

Speaker 6 (54:33):
Character. Reasons why we do certain stuff or whatever, like
had that street character.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
You know, we can sit here is dad, you got
au basketball because my son, Look.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
Listen, when I was a little here about Awa.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
I'm growing up, don't hey, that's a lot.

Speaker 7 (55:10):
When I had to sneak and listen to hip hop okay,
before my daddy, you know what I'm saying, Like all
my daddy played with eight tracks and records, right, and
I had to hurry up and try to sneak and
listen to some ll cool J. And then you know,
when I started hearing about like out Cast and Tills,
Like when I started hearing I mean, I used to
love it so much, but these were like things.

Speaker 4 (55:28):
I had on the wall, you know what I mean.
Goodie Mob was on the wall. Then when I started.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Rapping Word Magazine.

Speaker 7 (55:34):
Yeah, when when I started rapping, and then I met
Goodie Mob. Okay, I was twelve years old and we
recorded a mixtape in Studio one twelve and Orangebird. I
was in a girl group and we was called a QTS,
me and my identical twin cousins.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
And I remember hearing Seelo and I was.

Speaker 7 (55:50):
Like, oh my god, listen to the man Boys because
he busted out in song in the middle of his rap,
and I was like, oh my god, this.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
Man, They're going to be big, Like I mean.

Speaker 7 (55:58):
I'm a little girl.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
Mike Allen was then.

Speaker 5 (56:02):
Remember that I remember that toy. It was a good
about that first they went on. Back then it was
like a little under like a little.

Speaker 7 (56:10):
Old time is limited for original money.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
Click get him on the old wrapping up.

Speaker 6 (56:18):
You know what to look at the kid that went
to jail? What's his name? Oh? Yeah, God, you just
said his name.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
Yeah? The little lights getting on from New York about.

Speaker 6 (56:33):
Video?

Speaker 1 (56:33):
What what rico?

Speaker 4 (56:34):
Wait?

Speaker 3 (56:35):
And what organized? What they are? They are the gambling
huff of our generation? And what do you mean by that?

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Gamble Huff changed the whole?

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Teddy Pendergrass and Old J's and all those guys from
the Seven Musicianship back to like organized noises what they
are to our generation with changing the whole, I mean
they gave instrumentation and they I mean they didn't. They
wasn't And I'm not knocking sampling. Samplings has been a
part of hip hop from beginning. They came with the
instrument We built on sampling.

Speaker 5 (57:07):
We we used the same sampling format, but we also
put live musicianship on it so it wouldn't be so.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
And I want to say I want to say this,
you my homie, you my partner. I just want to
say thank you, my nigga straight up, because what you
with your ray pat and with all the how y'all?
I mean, I remember, and I'm gonna say this. I
know we both got to get out of here. When

(57:32):
it wasn't cool to claim the A. Y'all were claiming
the motherfucker Atlanta and claiming it with the king with
the furry kingos with the socks and flip flop.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Y'all was doing it. And I'm not clouding no other people.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Everybody want to take credit for putting Atlanta on, But
y'all niggas really was claiming the A and made it
cool to be from where everywhere was the point they
came to colling this what y'all made it cool? And
we're going this ship. Were from the A and we
are the So I want to say thank you, but
I need one. I need you to do one favorite
for before we.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Get out of here. Can you try to do some
type of Dungeon family reunion if it's just a concert.

Speaker 7 (58:09):
Fa Oh my god, get out of my head, Jared,
get out of my head, Get out of my head.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Hand I'm somebody. Everybody you know, let me get get let.

Speaker 5 (58:19):
Me get that everybody they did the one music fist.
That's just so because of that three thousand one, three
thousand with them. Oh he was I was in prison.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Everybody got to run.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Yeah, I was fish.

Speaker 6 (58:32):
That's what we got the DVD coming up. We got
the movie because said.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
About the documentary. Everything about the documentary. He already told
you how he likes to be treated. Now you know
what I'm saying. He told everybody.

Speaker 7 (58:43):
Look, you told me about was a low key telling
us on another Look, that's time treating that.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
You're supposed to you come on the show. You gotta
get your pick. You pick your cigar. Man, you gotta
get your cigar.

Speaker 6 (59:00):
Start to show you.

Speaker 7 (59:03):
Got the smoker, get in my weave. And we can't
do that because it ain't get my head done.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Yeah, I just want to say this before we sign out.

Speaker 6 (59:14):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Two things.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
My mentor used to always tell me that there's only
five to ten percent of people on this planet that
have the gift the gap and have the ability to
step into a room and make people gravitate toward them.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
He said, Jerry, you are one of them, and I am.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
And I can say this from being around you for
years when you come into a room with your gift,
the gas and your gift gift the gap and your
charisma and all that you one of them five to
ten percent.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
People on this.

Speaker 6 (59:43):
Look.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Before I signed out, I always three people my mentor.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
I just mentioned Stanley Bethel rest in peace, my dad,
Thomas Clark rest in peace, and my homeboys and tears
through at one on one signing off for Tangi.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Lark and Legendary Jerry and Legendary Rico Way sign.

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