April 29, 2021 • 34 mins
On today's episode, Jason kicks things off by locking back at his way-too-early 2021 NFL Mock Draft from last year. There will be a lot of guys taken tonight that Jason had on his Big Board a year ago, but the more interesting story is the guys who seem to have fallen off. Plus, Jason explains why the Denver Broncos decision to trade for Teddy Bridgewater could have major implications on the quarterback draft order. Does this open the door for the New England Patriots to trade up for Trey Lance or Justin Fields? We'll find out soon enough! Later, former Pro Bowl defensive back and DraftNastyMagazine.com founder Corey Chavous swings by to discuss how he made the transition from playing football to evaluating prospects, how Las Vegas Raiders general manager became the poster boy for how difficult it can be to go from evaluating to actually making the picks, why it's just as important for analysts to recognize guys you got wrong as it is guys you got right, why Alabama cornerback Patrick Surtain II reminds him a bit of Jalen Ramsey, why he has Penn State linebacker Micah Parsons as the top defensive player available even considering his relatively checkered past, how he learned more about Alabama quarterback Mac Jones in his worst game than in his best game, why he's higher on Miami defensive end Greg Rousseau than his 'more talented' teammate Jaelan Phillips, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What's up, party people,
It is Draft Day. Yes, it's me Jason back entire
straight Fire for Thursday, April twenty nine. Draft Day kind
of feels like Christmas Day. And we had a big
trade at Quasi big trade on Wednesday ahead of the draft.
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We'll get to that in a second. I just want
to tease our guest. You know him well. He played
in the NFL for the Cardinals, Vikings Rams defensive back
Corey Chavis, smart guy out of Vanderbilt. He started a
uh a draft Nasty magazine dot com where he dives
into all the prospect It's good stuff. I checked it
out and we agree on some stuff. Obviously, it's good
(00:50):
to get healthy disagreement. We have some of that. Not
to the level of the scout we had last week.
There was too much disagreement there, but I think you'll
enjoy it. Corey jervis real smart URP guy. We even, yes,
we had to mention a draft guy. It's never too
early for the way, way way way way too early
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mock draft. But I just want to say I personally
love the draft. UM have been doing mock drafts since
I was back at the big league. I mean it's
people love them. You know, it's easy clicks, it's an
easy talking point, and it is fun to look back
a year later and say, oh I nailed eighteen out
of the thirty two first round picks, or I nail
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like twenty three. Now it can be difficult. I will
admit I had last year right after the draft. You know,
I had a list of quarterbacks who were first round material.
And again, it's very difficult. A year in advance, the
projective is going to be good. So why do it?
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Because it's fun. People like talking about it. Oh, well,
the draft next year, who's gonna stink, who's gonna be good?
Who could be a guy that you know everybody looks at.
Who could be that dude? Who are we gonna monitor
next year? And you know, this really gives us a
chance to do it. So the quarterback I had last year,
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and listen, it was way, way, way wrong. His name
Jamie Newman. Now if you remember he was a stud
at Wake Forest. He goes to transfer to Georgia. Everybody's like, oh, Georgia,
that's spicy, that's big time. Always going to Georgia. He's
gonna have a chance, and then he does, even in
the starting job and decides to opt out. And I
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was like, oh, maybe he's not going to be that good,
So you know you do with I'm looking at the draft.
So Trevor Lawrence obviously was a layoup. Pen A Sewel
was a layup justin fields as obvious. Jamaar Chase, Um,
Trey Lance was in there, Patrick certain, Michael Parsons. So
there's gonna be a bunch of hits. Um Travis e
t n will be questionable, Rondel Moore could sneak into
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the first round, unlikely, Rochad Bateman might. Then you have
guys like Xavier Thomas who got COVID and missed like
the entire season for Clemson and is staying in school.
Um Jalen Waddle obviously in their, Davonte Smith obviously in there.
So there were some good hits. But what's fascinating is
the guy like Gregory Rousseau who was so good in
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twenty um nineteen and everybody's thinking, oh, this guy's gonna
blow up. So COVID hits, he opts out. Then he
shows up to his pro day and it's like out
of shape and Rousseau now is gonna tumble. He was
top ten prospect coming into the year, and he's gonna
now go in the second round. He might even tumble
to the third. He's out of I posted my final
mock draft for Fox Sports today and Russo is not
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in it. He was in a lot of the mock drafts.
And then the chatter is just too big for me
to ignore. You know, you're texting people and they're like
russe Yeah, no, no, I don't there's no way, and um,
I don't know. I am enamored with the draft real quick.
Before we get to Corey Javis. So this Bridgewater deal,
we called this on the pod. You knew everybody who
follows the league knows that Bridgewater is gonna end up
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in Denver. Where it gets interesting, do they still target
justin fields or trade lands because all of a sudden,
if Denver's out of the mix, right, and we don't
think Detroit's taking a quarterback because they have Jared Goff
and they're they're gonna they have the lowest Vegas wind total.
They'll be right back here but higher next year. And
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instead of taking like the fourth best quarterback, you know,
they'll probably have a chance at number one and number two,
and there is there a scenario where Justin Fields tumbles
down the board or trade Lands tumbles the fifteen. You
know this this pick. I had some people convincing me
in their dinner Wednesday night, went out to this uh
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famous uh Beverly Hills spot, and people are trying to
convince me that cow Pits is going to San France.
And I'm like, okay, so the forty Niners are gonna
trade two future ones to move up and take a
tight end when it's you're from the jump. The Jimmy
Garoppolo is not long for san France. I mean it's big.
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Shanahan's quotes have made it clear. They ask is Garoppolo
gonna be on the roster by Sunday? And Kyle Shanahan's like,
I don't know if the world is gonna be in
existence on Sunday. Like he doesn't want to touch it,
he doesn't want to commit, And then then you throw
this in his face in a couple of months. So like,
let's not get silly with Kyle Pitts going three. I
think he's a lock for four. But nevertheless, I do
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still think Denver is in the mix now work. It's
interesting is if you have three quarterbacks, you know one
of them is going to be inactive every week? Do
you really want Justin Fields to be inactive not even
dressed on the sideline? Uh, you know, holding a clipboard
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for the entire season. Like at least Patrick Mahomes when
he was the rookie and sitting behind Alex Smith, like
I am almost certain that he was dressed every week,
and like in the mix, like you're not even dressed,
Like that's another year off. Like can you imagine if
they drafted Trey Lance to Denver? So Trey Lance played
one game in the last I don't know fifteen months
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and then he's not going to dress for a whole
another year. So that will be like two years of
not playing football and you're gonna draft him to be
your future quarterback. It's it's just a little surprising. That's
why keep an eye on the New England Patriots who
have Cam Newton and I don't know, we'll see um
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So anyways, fun interview coming up next with Corey Chavis
and folks, I can't wait for tomorrow show. The post
draft show is going to be off the charts. Definitely
make it appointment listening for now, though. Enjoy Corey Javis.
Jason likes to think he knows everything when it comes
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to sports. I know what sports dance want. But for
every he doesn't, he knows a guy who does. Let's
just say I know a guy who knows another guy.
Let's welcome into straight fire. A guy you definitely know
from his NFL career. Former defensive back played for the Cardinals.
Vikings Rams now runs a draft website. It's pretty cool.
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You gotta check it out. Draft Nasty Magazine dot com.
Corey Cevis, Corey, how you doing, man, man? I'm good man.
How are you doing today? I listen, I'm fired up.
It's uh, it's draft week. This is the big time.
This is when like years of work and I know
you've been pouring over film and all that fun stuff.
It all comes to a head with the first round
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Uh tonight Thursday, and then tomorrow, uh, second and third,
and then of course the weekend. It just doesn't stop.
I've booked off my family. I told him, Yo, this
is Draft weekend. Kind of a big deal. I know
you feel the same way, right, Oh yeah, I mean
it's it's a lot of fun to kind of just
see what the teams do. I think, uh, most teams
go into the weekend not really knowing exactly how things
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are gonna play out. And then the teams that forced
things to play out the way they want them to.
I think those are the teams that leave the weekend
the happiest. Yeah, let me let me start. I always
loved the story of how you know the high end athletes.
You know, you were cheered in high school and college
and the pros, and then you know your your career ends,
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And what was that trans transition like for you? Because
I'm sure you had tons of offers. Hey man, do
you want to announce games? Do you want to be
one of these hot take guys on the TV shows
during the day. Do you want to be a draft guy?
How do you make that decision to transition from playing
career to what you're gonna do with the rest of
your life. Well, you know, Jameson's pretty funny because when
I played, I actually worked. I did the draft on
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television while I was playing, and so a lot of
guys that I would actually evaluate are analyzed I played
against them, and so they would have a little you know,
smart comments to make on whether or not you know
what I had said about them when I was actually
doing it. But I was a broadcast journalism major in school.
I did a lot of internships during school, and really
our website is based on our book that we published,
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and and doing a lot of video editing, and I've
interns from around the country. So you know, it was
something that I had planned on when I was in school, Uh,
in terms of just being you know, journalism and and
mostly writing and and that's pretty much like kind of
how it all started with me. That's pretty cool that. Uh.
Part of your bio is you were part of the
NFL drafts Uh NFL network stories first ever coverage of
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the draft. Yeah. Yeah, it was me, Rich Eyes and
and Mike Mayott. It was only a three man team.
That was the first year they had it in New York. Uh.
The year before we had done it, and it was
actually in l a And that was like one of
their first years of coverage and it was led by
Eric Weinberger back then he was the producer with the network.
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But um, really, man, it was it was pretty cool
just working with Rich and those guys. Uh, there were
a lot of fun uh, I guess we should probably
ask do you keep in contact with Mayok? I listen,
he is the perfect poster child, is he not? For
how difficult the draft is? I mean, Mayok was on
NFL Network forever sounds great, knows all the players get
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to the Raiders and you know, now you're in the
arena the decisions, and it's like, you know, you start
to look at it, the decisions he's made, and you
know it's a lot tougher than just sitting there on
TV or radio or wherever and pontificating because it's difficult.
I mean, have you followed closely what Mayok has done
with the Raiders? Yeah? I have. I've been pulling for him,
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obviously wanted to see him do well. I think you've
got a lot of different people pulling, you know, against
you sometimes, you know what I'm saying, maybe with the
other people in the organization. So I think it's kind
of interesting to see like you almost are the face
of whatever happens, whether or not you're the one that
is making the final pick or you're kind of it's
(10:57):
a conglomerate effort, you still are is your face on it,
And I know that could be probably a little bit aggravating,
but uh, you know, I think at the end of
the day, what he's going to realize is, as he
continues to be a general manager, is that you're going
to be judged by the pics, no matter how good
or bad they are. And you're going to be judged
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earlier now, Jason, then let's say then fifteen years ago.
So after a year now, and that's why you see
these quarterbacks their value continuing to rise. You're getting judged
right away, you know. So if Henry Ruggs is not
great right off the bat, if he's not at least
ceedee Lamb, then why was he the first receiver taking?
So you deal with some of that, but you know,
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for him, you know, he just got a bank on
Rugs and are Nett and those guys getting better in
year two? Yeah? And you know, you know, being the
face of something, you're really putting yourself out there. You
are taking a chance, and a lot of people don't
want to be the guy. Now you are, you know,
obviously the face of draft nasty. I'm curious, Hey, you
had people come up to you and say, hey, man,
(12:02):
you with so badly on this guy. It happens you know,
this is this is the job. You analyze players, and
you could have a right analysis, a perfect breakdown, but
the situation doesn't work out simply for other reasons, like
the draft is such an inexact science. How do you
handle that? I think it's a great point you bring up.
I think you kind of have to, uh take things
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and stride and actually monitor what you get wrong more
than what you get right as long as you follow
that principle. Uh. My uncle played in the league for
thirteen years and he was a coach, and so I
had an opportunity to be a ball boy and the
Broncos training camp even all the way back to the
early nineties, and I was trying to tell those guys
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what they were, you know, coming out of school, and
they would tell me when I was wrong then. So
you know what, I think you have to almost kind
of like have some fun with yourself, uh and try
to get more right than you get wrong in terms
of at least being fair to every it. And that
means when you're looking at a kid that may not
get drafted, you're putting the same amount of time into
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that kid as you are any of the top guys
that you know will get drafted. I think you do
yourself your best service if you follow that approach. Yeah,
let's start with the cornerbacks in this draft. And it's weird,
you know, all we hear about our wide receivers Corey
for the last couple of months, Oh, the Alabama guys
could go in the top ten and all this stuff,
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and then you start thinking about it and I don't know, Corey.
I you know, being at FS one, I'm always bumping
into gms and former gms and coaches and form and
none of them say wide receiver is the most important
position in football. It's like quarterback, left tackle, cornerback, and
uh ed rusher, those are the four important positions. So
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as we get closer to the draft, I always laughed
at like, oh, look, cornerbacks are magically rising, and now
we have to two Corey that could go in the
top ten with or ten out of Alabama and Horn
out of South Carolina. Absolutely, and I think that, uh,
what you kind of break down there is exactly how
when you get closer there is an element of like,
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well if there if the league is shifting per se
to being more of a you know, a league that
relies on the quarterback that you do have to have
some guys to stop them. And I even think that
that is transitioned as well to the safety slash nickelback
position inside. That position has also become extra valuable because
if you've got a hybrid guy that can play inside
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kind of like what you saw Jalen Ramsey do a
little bit at times a year ago by playing a
little bit of big nickel, I think that also can
expand some of what you can do defensively, particularly with
the tight ends becoming sold diverse. Uh you see that
with pitts Uh in this year's draft from Florida being
one of the top ten guys. I think that will
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get drafted. Where are you on on? Like if I
Q Corey ranked for me the top five cornerbacks on
your board, if you were drafting in your cornerback, cornerback
was the need, how would you rank the top five guys? Um?
Because I had Caleb Farley at the top until he
had the back surgery, and I think you kind of
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have to push him down now a little bit, do
you not right you're doing? And and you're right on
point with with Farley because you go all the way
back to that Florida State game as a freshman when
he burst onto the national scene with the two interceptions,
and you can see the talent in that game. Now,
he had a couple of whiffs in terms of big
mis tackles, one that led to nine yard run. But
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I think your eye exactly is exactly right in terms
of finishing on the ball, wide receiver type skills quarterback
back in in high school. Uh And I think that
he's number two. I think Sir Tan is the safest guy. Again,
we talked a little bit about uh some of the
things that that Jalen Ramsey did well. I think you've
seen even uh of Town play a little bit inside
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the and I played actually the Senor Bowl with his father,
and he was one of the better corners in the
league when I played. UH. So I do think that
that makes a difference. Again, I talked about my NFL bloodlines.
It certainly will help him and J. C. Horne, who
I think is right there with Farley. I think those
those guys are all in kind of the same pack.
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I think Horn got a lot better. He benefited from
the game against Seth Williams this year. I mean that
was really his his biggest on ball production of any
game in his career, and he showed everything he could
be against big receivers, and I think that's his value,
a little bit more explosive maybe than some people thought.
And then I think after him, the next two guys
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you can have a it's just Morga's board. We have
Stoats from Georgia and then also Kelvin Joseph from Kentucky
who's probably got a little bit off the field was
at l s U ended up leaving there after getting
kicked out. But he's probably if you're talking about just
natural cover guys there in the top of the list. Uh.
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But in terms of be off the field stuff, that's
gonna drop him. He could slide all the way to
round three. But I'm just talking about on field. Yeah. Now,
it's interesting you didn't mention the kid Knewsome out of
Northwestern who had a ridiculous pro day. I guess maybe
the tape doesn't match the athletic ability. Well. I thought
he struggled against Purdue though. David Bell, who's I think, Okay,
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he's not really produced number one receiver. Now, he's been
one of the best receivers in the Big ten the
last two years, and it was a fourth star recruit.
But you know a couple of past interference penalties in
that game, UM had a p I actually even in back,
I wouldn't to go see him playing a holiday ball
in two thousand and eighteen and second quarter on the
goal line. So he does some grabbing a little bit thick,
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you know what I'm saying, the upper but I'd like
to see him lean out a little bit more as
to how he used to be even when he was
when I saw him early in his career. But I
like his upside. I think he's a second round pick.
Now he might go in the first round. Very mood,
he's under control. Uh didn't make a lot of players
on the ball. And again we talked about the injuries
with Farley, Well you've also got to talk about them
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with Newsom. I mean, he was in and out quite
a bit of games during this In fact, he even
left the two thousand championship game due to a groin injury,
missed three games the nineteen to an undisclosed injury, and
he missed the eight games with the ankle injury. UH
miss freshman freshman year. So injuries are a factor in
terms of his ranking. And you know, I do have
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to ask about certain and again this is not that
you know people are gonna listen to be like, why
are you a hater? Uncertained. Okay, obviously his dad the lineage,
I get that. But if you look at the history
of Alabama cornerbacks Corey Um, you know, yes, Marlin Humphrey
turned out to be a study. He's one of the
best slot corners in the league. But a lot of
other guys from Alabama have been drafted in the first
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second round and they have not panned out at cornerback.
And you wonder Nick Saban always has a stacked team,
great defensive line man. We know the defensive tackles that
uh at Alabama always loaded. They've had a bunch of linebackers.
But I could mention guys Javier Arenas, uh Mark Baron, Drake,
Kirkpatrick Um. One that really hurt as a Jets fan,
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d Milner, Oh my gosh, they went. They took a
night overall, I mean a colossal bust. And you just
look at the names I jotted A bunch down and
doesn't worry you at all. That's certained. Last year he
was opposite digs Right who went to the second round
and which showed well with Dallas, and this year he
was opposite the kid Joe, who I think is a
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pretty good player. And man, I've pretty impressed with you. Man,
you breaking out, breaking down. Yeah yeah, well, you know
when you it's funny not to go off topic. But
I went and watched Jamaar Chase the Beauty of YouTube,
and you know this, Corey, you can go punch in
Jamaar Chase versus Alabama and they will have every snap
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from this past year from the Joe Burrow game when
Chase had a monster showing a lot of it was
head to head against Job and Joe actually did pretty well.
But anyway, that's off topic. Yeah. Well, you know, I
like Drake Kirkpatrick when he came out. I think he's
probably had an underrated career, had some penalty issues in Cincinnati,
but yeah, well he did. I'm not gonna I put
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that out there first. By the way, talking penalties, you
have five penalties from uh certan and twenty nineteen a
couple of off size calls as well. So he even
had one on a fake quick jam attempt against New
Mexico State. But I mean, so I get what you're
where you're coming from. I think Digs, like you said,
showed well. And I do think that if you've been
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a starter and you get a second contract like Kirkpatrick,
I don't think that we would consider mfail you necessarily.
Now Milliner, no question, Um, we were wrong on him.
We thought he'd be a better player as well. Uh,
it just came down to him not really playing as
fast as he tested. With this kid, I think it's
about patience. That's the one thing that if if I
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had a big knock on him out a little bit
inconsistent in terms of rapping as a tackler. But he's
very impatient at the line of scrimmage. I think he
understands zone or man. I think you want to get
him in a scheme Stan that actually does both and
then you get the most out of him, as opposed
to just saying we're gonna put you on a receiver
and put and be a Smorgese board of man coverage.
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I think you get the true value of him by
allowing him to play in a scheme of multiplicity when
you do a lot of different coverages, and then I
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(21:42):
R to listen live. I'm assuming you think Certain is
the first defensive player off the board. Well, I don't
know about that now. He's not our top rank deepensive player.
Our top ran deefensive player is Michael Parsons. But yeah,
but we do like Certain, you know, pretty good in
terms of uh, you know, he's we feel like he's
the top tempig. Now, let's look at Parsons real quick.
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And you know, I preface this by I know LaVar Arrington.
I work with him, and I know he works a
lot with Michael Parsons and the stuff you hear about teams.
Oh yeah, Michael Parsons is a superstar. But um, what
about that uh cafeteria incident in high school where he
essentially started a riot? And what about the hazing stuff
at Penn State. And I'm not saying he's a bad guy.
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I don't know. I'm just going off. You know, he
that's part of his history, you know, that's part of
his bio. How do you handle Corey when you've got
some off the field stuff, and like do you put
it in like, oh, this is I'm not drafting him
at all, or this is a minor stuff, youth indiscretions.
I fully admit I did stupid stuff when I was young,
But then again, nobody's investing millions in me at the
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age of one. Uh So I don't know, no, no,
I totally agree with you. I mean in terms of
when I say I agree, I think that those things
are things you have to take into the consideration. Even
if a ranking and guy in terms of the character
when it comes to you know, that would go under
our category of football like Q that doesn't just simply
revolve around your I Q and intelligence on the field.
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It has to kind of impart if you're grading that
characteristic some of the off the field stuff. However, I
do think that you do want a guy with a
little bit of I don't know, just um whatever you
got in your tank. You know what I'm saying that linebacker.
I don't really want a nice linebacker. I mean, you know,
I just don't. I'm sorry. So, and remember it's draft nasty,
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so we're looking for players with nasty and so he
has a little bit of that. Now, I think that
the hazing incident is a little bit more of a
concern from a publicity standpoint. And you know this, you
come into the locker room, that's the first question on
draft night if you take this guy too high. So
I think I think he will slide a little bit.
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I mean, maybe it's the middle of the first round,
it could all the way be you know, late first round.
But I think that in terms of just the the
ability and what he's capable of becoming, I think it
can be pretty good. Yeah. I'm not calling him Vantes
perfect by any stretch, but you know, two two small
things that I think teams have to ask themselves. Listen, Corey,
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this is one of those years where you can't do
as much homework, you can't meet the guy and hang
out and spend a lot of time with him. You know,
anybody can fake the funk in a zoom interview right
right and looked apart for a minute. But what as well?
I mean you got the same kind of you know,
situation with him as well. So I completely let's talk
about mac Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, and I think
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he's a guy that's matured from his incident. You know,
but I think ultimately you have to factor that in,
you know what I'm saying, when you have the guy
go through what he went through. Um, even though some
people make a consider a minor but I think that
you're talking about him being a first round pick, so
I had to kind of weigh that in. You know,
the same thing with Parsons as you do with those guys,
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and I think he ended up pretty know, relatively high
as well Mac Jones, So I think that I think
it's the same thing with with all of these guys
when it comes down to any of the field concerns. Yeah,
I'm not a mac Jones guy at all. I personally
I don't see it. Um and listen, people who really
listen to the podcast regularly know that, Oh man, Jason,
you just blast Mac Jones every day. I don't. I
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don't care as much about a d U I when
he was so young as I do. Just the fact
that as a football player, Corey, you know, this was
the perfect storm for him. Right. The SEC was as
bad at this as it's been in years. Okay, given
COVID and l s U was a train wreck. Auburn
ended up firing their coach like the SEC was down
and he had Mac Jones had more All Americans on
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his offense than the Big ten and the Big twelve combined. Like, dude,
he's dropping back in exclusively clean pockets. He's got two
first round picks, a wide receiver. Uh you know before
Waddle got hurt, just dusting everybody, Naja Harris behind him,
Like this was the perfect storm. How many times, Corey,
have we seen alab quarterbacks look really awesome? Do you
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want me to remind people what mel Kiper was saying
about a J. McCarron coming out Alabama. Oh, yeah, he
could be a starter in this league. And like he's
had like three starts in five years. He's not a
starter these Alabama guys, and I know him. I'm going
off here. Where are you on? Listen? This Alabama team
is stacked. And people will say, well, Jay, you could
say the same about Ohio State. No you can't. It's
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they're not nearly a stacked Alabama gets the best recruiting
class every freaking year they do, and and and that
that's kind of I mean, we can make the argument
that even some you could say, name with Christian Barmore,
is he going to translate Nagierra's uh, and then you
have to kind of start evalue waiting, Okay, well, how
how will Deonce Brown go? Was he that good of
a guard? You know? How high will Alex leatherwould go?
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How you know he was the Outlet Trophy winner. So
I think you have to start breaking it down to
those parts and and kind of evaluating it from there.
And I think you make a great point from that perspective,
because we can't forget about then Dickerson, who was a
spectacular center as well in the interior of their offensive line.
But when you look at Mac Jones, the game that
impressed me had nothing to do with this season, much
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like Joe Burrow. If you go back to team Burrow
struggled against Auburn and in the fourth quarter the intestinal
fortitude he came out led them down the field after
just playing horribly. That's right, right, Well, that that was
You're exactly right with Mac Jones. But I was referring
to the Borough game the year before that, when Joe
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Burrow had that happened against Auburn, and that's the game
that you just mentioned, Jason. The two pick sixes from
Mac Jones also against Auburn the next year. That kind
of showed you what this kid had inside of him,
because he threw the two pick sixes. And don't forget
that he came back and threw four touchdowns in that
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game and they only lost by five. So I think
that that type of performance. How does the guy bounce back?
How are these guys on third down? You know, that's
a big question. How many sacks do these guys take?
Something that you have to evaluate with the quarterback position.
You start talking about sacks. That's why teams have reservations
with Justin Fields, holding the ball in the pocket a
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little bit too long, getting on through that, you know,
second and third progression. Those are things that big reason
why he had to fumbles in twenty nineteen. Uh, Justin Fields,
this kid didn't put the ball on the ground much
Mac Jones in terms of fumbles. That's a big thing
to look at as well, And a lot of that
stuff kind of translates. So and from an accuracy standpoint,
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he's pretty accurate. Yeah, Um, how about let's go back
to defense real quick. There's a kid, uh from the
Miami Hurricanes, Greg Rousseau, who you know every year I
do a mock draft right after the actual draft, and
last year, Rousseau was like top five. I had him,
and then I look and like everybody else has in
top ten and this guy's a superstar. He opts out
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and then he goes to test and his teammates, the
kid Phillips, just blew him out of the water. It
was like Russou had been sitting on a couch not
work it out when he opted out and just thought
he could coast into the draft. And I don't know
what you're hearing about Russo, but there's a chance he
doesn't go in the first round simply because his pro
day was awful, even though his tape in twenty nineteen
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was off the church good. Absolutely, I think you're right
on point again, uh, with with this whole comparison, Phillips
moving up, Russau falling down a little bit of a
fallacy with us because we still have Russau eighth overall. Uh.
And I think one of the things you have to
be careful of when you're evaluating players, even in their
pro days, everybody doesn't unwind the same, so some guys
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will be able to get into what their movements are.
Quicker people tend to forget this got six seven and
he's two hundred and sixty six pounds. You know, you can't.
You know, one thing that that that didn't hurt him
on the pro day was eleven inch eleven inch hands,
And another thing that didn't hurt him on the pro
day was eight three inch wings man, and he ran
on the for a seven. He was for six. So
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I mean again, not an explosive with the thirty inch vertical. Uh,
the four or five shuttle says he might not be
able to bend. You watch the video. The guy lines
up over the center as a zero technique, he lines
up as a three technique, evensive tackle over the guard
on third downs. You know, he lines up at both
defensive and spots. Now, he has some room to grow
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in terms of secondary pass rush counters, you know, being
able to have a second move after your first move
is taken away. But he keeps guys at bay so
easily with those with his arm link. And I think
he's pretty good against the run setting the edge. So
he's again he's not gonna unwind as quickly as Phillips.
But Phillips, you take him. Are you sure he's gonna
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stay healthy. I mean you're talking about an unbelievable amount
of injuries. This kid is young, He's got room to grow.
And I think you'll look back on the draft and
your original mock that you had. You may end up
being right. Yeah. I think that that's how it usually works.
And then you know, you get in your head when
you hear all this stuff and see stuff, and people
try to influence you, but you're right usually the first instinct.
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My parents taught me that when I was young. Hey,
follow your first instance. Stay away from that kid. You
know he's not a good kid. I want to wrap
up here with um one more guy on defense, just
you know, you play defense in the NFL. I'm sure
you've seen the stat Jason oh Way, another kid at
a Penn State and again preface it, another kid who
works with LaVar Arrington. Um, Jason Away had zero sacks
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this season and he's an edge rusher, and everybody said,
come on, where's the production? But then, like you said,
with russo, you look at the measurements and oh Way
tests like Ivan Drago and Rocky four. I mean, the
guy is a machine and it's like, well, how do
you handle that? And the best thing I had heard
was hey, Jake, go look up um. I think his
name is Danielle Hunter, who is in the NFL. He
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went to l s U and had one and a
half sacks and people were like, I don't see the production.
He's had a pretty damn off some career off the
edge of the NFL. So where are you on O
Way and you know a guy with zero sax who
rushes a pastor. Well, I think for him, we we
we we weren't as high as everybody else on away
and I think that he can become a good player.
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But remember, let's go back to the Neil Hunter, the
guy you just mentioned. What round did he go in?
That's the key. Yeah, so that's where you've gotta be careful,
you know what I'm saying, Like, Okay, so you gotta say,
is the Neil Hunter one of one? And I think
that's what you have to kind of, I mean, because
we could go with there's a number of guys who've
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had good workouts, they did not make it, you know
what I'm saying. So I do think from that perspective,
there are some things I would have liked to have
seen away have one more year with Sean Spencer. Remember
when Spencer was there, who's the now the defensive line
coach for a Giant And I'm I'm I know Sean
and I think he does a hell of a job.
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But when he was there, the kid had five and
a half sacks or five sacks the year before and
five tackles for loss or whatever this year. You know,
you may be adjusted to a new coaching style. That's
something that might be a little bit different. But I've
seen him play all over the place that they've had
him at a two point standing up. I think he's
got to speed up the process on some of the
line games and stuff that you have to do in
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terms of being able to on the moves when they're
asking you to do something. That's where the rawdness kind
of shows up for me. And I don't think he
plays again. I'm probably one of the guys that actually
want to go see him play in the live game.
You know. I've seen him play live two times in person,
and never did I leave the games saying, wow, you
know that got you know what I mean? So sometimes
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he was right, and that's kind of what you were
talking about earlier. When you're putting on even if you're
putting on some some video. You want to have a
guy kind of stand out. Uh, not to say this
guy won't turn into a pro bowler, has all the tools,
but he's got some you needs some refinement. Yeah, all right,
Corey Javis obviously check out his draft Nasty Magazine. Good stuff, Corey.
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Congratulations on your success and uh enjoy the draft. Congratulations
on all your success man, I'm a big fan of yours.
And keep up the great work man. And and I
can't wait for the draft. I know you can't either. Yeah, alright, Corey, Thanks,
thank you,
This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What's up, party people,
It is Draft Day. Yes, it's me Jason back entire
straight Fire for Thursday, April twenty nine. Draft Day kind
of feels like Christmas Day. And we had a big
trade at Quasi big trade on Wednesday ahead of the draft.
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We'll get to that in a second. I just want
to tease our guest. You know him well. He played
in the NFL for the Cardinals, Vikings Rams defensive back
Corey Chavis, smart guy out of Vanderbilt. He started a
uh a draft Nasty magazine dot com where he dives
into all the prospect It's good stuff. I checked it
out and we agree on some stuff. Obviously, it's good
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to get healthy disagreement. We have some of that. Not
to the level of the scout we had last week.
There was too much disagreement there, but I think you'll
enjoy it. Corey jervis real smart URP guy. We even, yes,
we had to mention a draft guy. It's never too
early for the way, way way way way too early
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mock draft. But I just want to say I personally
love the draft. UM have been doing mock drafts since
I was back at the big league. I mean it's
people love them. You know, it's easy clicks, it's an
easy talking point, and it is fun to look back
a year later and say, oh I nailed eighteen out
of the thirty two first round picks, or I nail
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like twenty three. Now it can be difficult. I will
admit I had last year right after the draft. You know,
I had a list of quarterbacks who were first round material.
And again, it's very difficult. A year in advance, the
projective is going to be good. So why do it?
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Because it's fun. People like talking about it. Oh, well,
the draft next year, who's gonna stink, who's gonna be good?
Who could be a guy that you know everybody looks at.
Who could be that dude? Who are we gonna monitor
next year? And you know, this really gives us a
chance to do it. So the quarterback I had last year,
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and listen, it was way, way, way wrong. His name
Jamie Newman. Now if you remember he was a stud
at Wake Forest. He goes to transfer to Georgia. Everybody's like, oh, Georgia,
that's spicy, that's big time. Always going to Georgia. He's
gonna have a chance, and then he does, even in
the starting job and decides to opt out. And I
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was like, oh, maybe he's not going to be that good,
So you know you do with I'm looking at the draft.
So Trevor Lawrence obviously was a layoup. Pen A Sewel
was a layup justin fields as obvious. Jamaar Chase, Um,
Trey Lance was in there, Patrick certain, Michael Parsons. So
there's gonna be a bunch of hits. Um Travis e
t n will be questionable, Rondel Moore could sneak into
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the first round, unlikely, Rochad Bateman might. Then you have
guys like Xavier Thomas who got COVID and missed like
the entire season for Clemson and is staying in school.
Um Jalen Waddle obviously in their, Davonte Smith obviously in there.
So there were some good hits. But what's fascinating is
the guy like Gregory Rousseau who was so good in
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twenty um nineteen and everybody's thinking, oh, this guy's gonna
blow up. So COVID hits, he opts out. Then he
shows up to his pro day and it's like out
of shape and Rousseau now is gonna tumble. He was
top ten prospect coming into the year, and he's gonna
now go in the second round. He might even tumble
to the third. He's out of I posted my final
mock draft for Fox Sports today and Russo is not
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in it. He was in a lot of the mock drafts.
And then the chatter is just too big for me
to ignore. You know, you're texting people and they're like
russe Yeah, no, no, I don't there's no way, and um,
I don't know. I am enamored with the draft real quick.
Before we get to Corey Javis. So this Bridgewater deal,
we called this on the pod. You knew everybody who
follows the league knows that Bridgewater is gonna end up
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in Denver. Where it gets interesting, do they still target
justin fields or trade lands because all of a sudden,
if Denver's out of the mix, right, and we don't
think Detroit's taking a quarterback because they have Jared Goff
and they're they're gonna they have the lowest Vegas wind total.
They'll be right back here but higher next year. And
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instead of taking like the fourth best quarterback, you know,
they'll probably have a chance at number one and number two,
and there is there a scenario where Justin Fields tumbles
down the board or trade Lands tumbles the fifteen. You
know this this pick. I had some people convincing me
in their dinner Wednesday night, went out to this uh
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famous uh Beverly Hills spot, and people are trying to
convince me that cow Pits is going to San France.
And I'm like, okay, so the forty Niners are gonna
trade two future ones to move up and take a
tight end when it's you're from the jump. The Jimmy
Garoppolo is not long for san France. I mean it's big.
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Shanahan's quotes have made it clear. They ask is Garoppolo
gonna be on the roster by Sunday? And Kyle Shanahan's like,
I don't know if the world is gonna be in
existence on Sunday. Like he doesn't want to touch it,
he doesn't want to commit, And then then you throw
this in his face in a couple of months. So like,
let's not get silly with Kyle Pitts going three. I
think he's a lock for four. But nevertheless, I do
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still think Denver is in the mix now work. It's
interesting is if you have three quarterbacks, you know one
of them is going to be inactive every week? Do
you really want Justin Fields to be inactive not even
dressed on the sideline? Uh, you know, holding a clipboard
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for the entire season. Like at least Patrick Mahomes when
he was the rookie and sitting behind Alex Smith, like
I am almost certain that he was dressed every week,
and like in the mix, like you're not even dressed,
Like that's another year off. Like can you imagine if
they drafted Trey Lance to Denver? So Trey Lance played
one game in the last I don't know fifteen months
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and then he's not going to dress for a whole
another year. So that will be like two years of
not playing football and you're gonna draft him to be
your future quarterback. It's it's just a little surprising. That's
why keep an eye on the New England Patriots who
have Cam Newton and I don't know, we'll see um
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So anyways, fun interview coming up next with Corey Chavis
and folks, I can't wait for tomorrow show. The post
draft show is going to be off the charts. Definitely
make it appointment listening for now, though. Enjoy Corey Javis.
Jason likes to think he knows everything when it comes
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to sports. I know what sports dance want. But for
every he doesn't, he knows a guy who does. Let's
just say I know a guy who knows another guy.
Let's welcome into straight fire. A guy you definitely know
from his NFL career. Former defensive back played for the Cardinals.
Vikings Rams now runs a draft website. It's pretty cool.
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You gotta check it out. Draft Nasty Magazine dot com.
Corey Cevis, Corey, how you doing, man, man? I'm good man.
How are you doing today? I listen, I'm fired up.
It's uh, it's draft week. This is the big time.
This is when like years of work and I know
you've been pouring over film and all that fun stuff.
It all comes to a head with the first round
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Uh tonight Thursday, and then tomorrow, uh, second and third,
and then of course the weekend. It just doesn't stop.
I've booked off my family. I told him, Yo, this
is Draft weekend. Kind of a big deal. I know
you feel the same way, right, Oh yeah, I mean
it's it's a lot of fun to kind of just
see what the teams do. I think, uh, most teams
go into the weekend not really knowing exactly how things
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are gonna play out. And then the teams that forced
things to play out the way they want them to.
I think those are the teams that leave the weekend
the happiest. Yeah, let me let me start. I always
loved the story of how you know the high end athletes.
You know, you were cheered in high school and college
and the pros, and then you know your your career ends,
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And what was that trans transition like for you? Because
I'm sure you had tons of offers. Hey man, do
you want to announce games? Do you want to be
one of these hot take guys on the TV shows
during the day. Do you want to be a draft guy?
How do you make that decision to transition from playing
career to what you're gonna do with the rest of
your life. Well, you know, Jameson's pretty funny because when
I played, I actually worked. I did the draft on
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television while I was playing, and so a lot of
guys that I would actually evaluate are analyzed I played
against them, and so they would have a little you know,
smart comments to make on whether or not you know
what I had said about them when I was actually
doing it. But I was a broadcast journalism major in school.
I did a lot of internships during school, and really
our website is based on our book that we published,
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and and doing a lot of video editing, and I've
interns from around the country. So you know, it was
something that I had planned on when I was in school, Uh,
in terms of just being you know, journalism and and
mostly writing and and that's pretty much like kind of
how it all started with me. That's pretty cool that. Uh.
Part of your bio is you were part of the
NFL drafts Uh NFL network stories first ever coverage of
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the draft. Yeah. Yeah, it was me, Rich Eyes and
and Mike Mayott. It was only a three man team.
That was the first year they had it in New York. Uh.
The year before we had done it, and it was
actually in l a And that was like one of
their first years of coverage and it was led by
Eric Weinberger back then he was the producer with the network.
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But um, really, man, it was it was pretty cool
just working with Rich and those guys. Uh, there were
a lot of fun uh, I guess we should probably
ask do you keep in contact with Mayok? I listen,
he is the perfect poster child, is he not? For
how difficult the draft is? I mean, Mayok was on
NFL Network forever sounds great, knows all the players get
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to the Raiders and you know, now you're in the
arena the decisions, and it's like, you know, you start
to look at it, the decisions he's made, and you
know it's a lot tougher than just sitting there on
TV or radio or wherever and pontificating because it's difficult.
I mean, have you followed closely what Mayok has done
with the Raiders? Yeah? I have. I've been pulling for him,
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obviously wanted to see him do well. I think you've
got a lot of different people pulling, you know, against
you sometimes, you know what I'm saying, maybe with the
other people in the organization. So I think it's kind
of interesting to see like you almost are the face
of whatever happens, whether or not you're the one that
is making the final pick or you're kind of it's
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a conglomerate effort, you still are is your face on it,
And I know that could be probably a little bit aggravating,
but uh, you know, I think at the end of
the day, what he's going to realize is, as he
continues to be a general manager, is that you're going
to be judged by the pics, no matter how good
or bad they are. And you're going to be judged
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earlier now, Jason, then let's say then fifteen years ago.
So after a year now, and that's why you see
these quarterbacks their value continuing to rise. You're getting judged
right away, you know. So if Henry Ruggs is not
great right off the bat, if he's not at least
ceedee Lamb, then why was he the first receiver taking?
So you deal with some of that, but you know,
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for him, you know, he just got a bank on
Rugs and are Nett and those guys getting better in
year two? Yeah? And you know, you know, being the
face of something, you're really putting yourself out there. You
are taking a chance, and a lot of people don't
want to be the guy. Now you are, you know,
obviously the face of draft nasty. I'm curious, Hey, you
had people come up to you and say, hey, man,
(12:02):
you with so badly on this guy. It happens you know,
this is this is the job. You analyze players, and
you could have a right analysis, a perfect breakdown, but
the situation doesn't work out simply for other reasons, like
the draft is such an inexact science. How do you
handle that? I think it's a great point you bring up.
I think you kind of have to, uh take things
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and stride and actually monitor what you get wrong more
than what you get right as long as you follow
that principle. Uh. My uncle played in the league for
thirteen years and he was a coach, and so I
had an opportunity to be a ball boy and the
Broncos training camp even all the way back to the
early nineties, and I was trying to tell those guys
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what they were, you know, coming out of school, and
they would tell me when I was wrong then. So
you know what, I think you have to almost kind
of like have some fun with yourself, uh and try
to get more right than you get wrong in terms
of at least being fair to every it. And that
means when you're looking at a kid that may not
get drafted, you're putting the same amount of time into
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that kid as you are any of the top guys
that you know will get drafted. I think you do
yourself your best service if you follow that approach. Yeah,
let's start with the cornerbacks in this draft. And it's weird,
you know, all we hear about our wide receivers Corey
for the last couple of months, Oh, the Alabama guys
could go in the top ten and all this stuff,
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and then you start thinking about it and I don't know, Corey.
I you know, being at FS one, I'm always bumping
into gms and former gms and coaches and form and
none of them say wide receiver is the most important
position in football. It's like quarterback, left tackle, cornerback, and
uh ed rusher, those are the four important positions. So
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as we get closer to the draft, I always laughed
at like, oh, look, cornerbacks are magically rising, and now
we have to two Corey that could go in the
top ten with or ten out of Alabama and Horn
out of South Carolina. Absolutely, and I think that, uh,
what you kind of break down there is exactly how
when you get closer there is an element of like,
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well if there if the league is shifting per se
to being more of a you know, a league that
relies on the quarterback that you do have to have
some guys to stop them. And I even think that
that is transitioned as well to the safety slash nickelback
position inside. That position has also become extra valuable because
if you've got a hybrid guy that can play inside
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kind of like what you saw Jalen Ramsey do a
little bit at times a year ago by playing a
little bit of big nickel, I think that also can
expand some of what you can do defensively, particularly with
the tight ends becoming sold diverse. Uh you see that
with pitts Uh in this year's draft from Florida being
one of the top ten guys. I think that will
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get drafted. Where are you on on? Like if I
Q Corey ranked for me the top five cornerbacks on
your board, if you were drafting in your cornerback, cornerback
was the need, how would you rank the top five guys? Um?
Because I had Caleb Farley at the top until he
had the back surgery, and I think you kind of
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have to push him down now a little bit, do
you not right you're doing? And and you're right on
point with with Farley because you go all the way
back to that Florida State game as a freshman when
he burst onto the national scene with the two interceptions,
and you can see the talent in that game. Now,
he had a couple of whiffs in terms of big
mis tackles, one that led to nine yard run. But
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I think your eye exactly is exactly right in terms
of finishing on the ball, wide receiver type skills quarterback
back in in high school. Uh And I think that
he's number two. I think Sir Tan is the safest guy. Again,
we talked a little bit about uh some of the
things that that Jalen Ramsey did well. I think you've
seen even uh of Town play a little bit inside
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the and I played actually the Senor Bowl with his father,
and he was one of the better corners in the
league when I played. UH. So I do think that
that makes a difference. Again, I talked about my NFL bloodlines.
It certainly will help him and J. C. Horne, who
I think is right there with Farley. I think those
those guys are all in kind of the same pack.
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I think Horn got a lot better. He benefited from
the game against Seth Williams this year. I mean that
was really his his biggest on ball production of any
game in his career, and he showed everything he could
be against big receivers, and I think that's his value,
a little bit more explosive maybe than some people thought.
And then I think after him, the next two guys
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you can have a it's just Morga's board. We have
Stoats from Georgia and then also Kelvin Joseph from Kentucky
who's probably got a little bit off the field was
at l s U ended up leaving there after getting
kicked out. But he's probably if you're talking about just
natural cover guys there in the top of the list. Uh.
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But in terms of be off the field stuff, that's
gonna drop him. He could slide all the way to
round three. But I'm just talking about on field. Yeah. Now,
it's interesting you didn't mention the kid Knewsome out of
Northwestern who had a ridiculous pro day. I guess maybe
the tape doesn't match the athletic ability. Well. I thought
he struggled against Purdue though. David Bell, who's I think, Okay,
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he's not really produced number one receiver. Now, he's been
one of the best receivers in the Big ten the
last two years, and it was a fourth star recruit.
But you know a couple of past interference penalties in
that game, UM had a p I actually even in back,
I wouldn't to go see him playing a holiday ball
in two thousand and eighteen and second quarter on the
goal line. So he does some grabbing a little bit thick,
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you know what I'm saying, the upper but I'd like
to see him lean out a little bit more as
to how he used to be even when he was
when I saw him early in his career. But I
like his upside. I think he's a second round pick.
Now he might go in the first round. Very mood,
he's under control. Uh didn't make a lot of players
on the ball. And again we talked about the injuries
with Farley, Well you've also got to talk about them
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with Newsom. I mean, he was in and out quite
a bit of games during this In fact, he even
left the two thousand championship game due to a groin injury,
missed three games the nineteen to an undisclosed injury, and
he missed the eight games with the ankle injury. UH
miss freshman freshman year. So injuries are a factor in
terms of his ranking. And you know, I do have
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to ask about certain and again this is not that
you know people are gonna listen to be like, why
are you a hater? Uncertained. Okay, obviously his dad the lineage,
I get that. But if you look at the history
of Alabama cornerbacks Corey Um, you know, yes, Marlin Humphrey
turned out to be a study. He's one of the
best slot corners in the league. But a lot of
other guys from Alabama have been drafted in the first
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second round and they have not panned out at cornerback.
And you wonder Nick Saban always has a stacked team,
great defensive line man. We know the defensive tackles that
uh at Alabama always loaded. They've had a bunch of linebackers.
But I could mention guys Javier Arenas, uh Mark Baron, Drake,
Kirkpatrick Um. One that really hurt as a Jets fan,
(19:13):
d Milner, Oh my gosh, they went. They took a
night overall, I mean a colossal bust. And you just
look at the names I jotted A bunch down and
doesn't worry you at all. That's certained. Last year he
was opposite digs Right who went to the second round
and which showed well with Dallas, and this year he
was opposite the kid Joe, who I think is a
(19:35):
pretty good player. And man, I've pretty impressed with you. Man,
you breaking out, breaking down. Yeah yeah, well, you know
when you it's funny not to go off topic. But
I went and watched Jamaar Chase the Beauty of YouTube,
and you know this, Corey, you can go punch in
Jamaar Chase versus Alabama and they will have every snap
(19:55):
from this past year from the Joe Burrow game when
Chase had a monster showing a lot of it was
head to head against Job and Joe actually did pretty well.
But anyway, that's off topic. Yeah. Well, you know, I
like Drake Kirkpatrick when he came out. I think he's
probably had an underrated career, had some penalty issues in Cincinnati,
but yeah, well he did. I'm not gonna I put
(20:18):
that out there first. By the way, talking penalties, you
have five penalties from uh certan and twenty nineteen a
couple of off size calls as well. So he even
had one on a fake quick jam attempt against New
Mexico State. But I mean, so I get what you're
where you're coming from. I think Digs, like you said,
showed well. And I do think that if you've been
(20:39):
a starter and you get a second contract like Kirkpatrick,
I don't think that we would consider mfail you necessarily.
Now Milliner, no question, Um, we were wrong on him.
We thought he'd be a better player as well. Uh,
it just came down to him not really playing as
fast as he tested. With this kid, I think it's
about patience. That's the one thing that if if I
(21:00):
had a big knock on him out a little bit
inconsistent in terms of rapping as a tackler. But he's
very impatient at the line of scrimmage. I think he
understands zone or man. I think you want to get
him in a scheme Stan that actually does both and
then you get the most out of him, as opposed
to just saying we're gonna put you on a receiver
and put and be a Smorgese board of man coverage.
(21:22):
I think you get the true value of him by
allowing him to play in a scheme of multiplicity when
you do a lot of different coverages, and then I
think you'll get the best from him. Fox Sports Radio
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(21:42):
R to listen live. I'm assuming you think Certain is
the first defensive player off the board. Well, I don't
know about that now. He's not our top rank deepensive player.
Our top ran deefensive player is Michael Parsons. But yeah,
but we do like Certain, you know, pretty good in
terms of uh, you know, he's we feel like he's
the top tempig. Now, let's look at Parsons real quick.
(22:05):
And you know, I preface this by I know LaVar Arrington.
I work with him, and I know he works a
lot with Michael Parsons and the stuff you hear about teams.
Oh yeah, Michael Parsons is a superstar. But um, what
about that uh cafeteria incident in high school where he
essentially started a riot? And what about the hazing stuff
at Penn State. And I'm not saying he's a bad guy.
(22:26):
I don't know. I'm just going off. You know, he
that's part of his history, you know, that's part of
his bio. How do you handle Corey when you've got
some off the field stuff, and like do you put
it in like, oh, this is I'm not drafting him
at all, or this is a minor stuff, youth indiscretions.
I fully admit I did stupid stuff when I was young,
But then again, nobody's investing millions in me at the
(22:48):
age of one. Uh So I don't know, no, no,
I totally agree with you. I mean in terms of
when I say I agree, I think that those things
are things you have to take into the consideration. Even
if a ranking and guy in terms of the character
when it comes to you know, that would go under
our category of football like Q that doesn't just simply
revolve around your I Q and intelligence on the field.
(23:11):
It has to kind of impart if you're grading that
characteristic some of the off the field stuff. However, I
do think that you do want a guy with a
little bit of I don't know, just um whatever you
got in your tank. You know what I'm saying that linebacker.
I don't really want a nice linebacker. I mean, you know,
I just don't. I'm sorry. So, and remember it's draft nasty,
(23:33):
so we're looking for players with nasty and so he
has a little bit of that. Now, I think that
the hazing incident is a little bit more of a
concern from a publicity standpoint. And you know this, you
come into the locker room, that's the first question on
draft night if you take this guy too high. So
I think I think he will slide a little bit.
(23:53):
I mean, maybe it's the middle of the first round,
it could all the way be you know, late first round.
But I think that in terms of just the the
ability and what he's capable of becoming, I think it
can be pretty good. Yeah. I'm not calling him Vantes
perfect by any stretch, but you know, two two small
things that I think teams have to ask themselves. Listen, Corey,
(24:15):
this is one of those years where you can't do
as much homework, you can't meet the guy and hang
out and spend a lot of time with him. You know,
anybody can fake the funk in a zoom interview right
right and looked apart for a minute. But what as well?
I mean you got the same kind of you know,
situation with him as well. So I completely let's talk
about mac Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, and I think
(24:37):
he's a guy that's matured from his incident. You know,
but I think ultimately you have to factor that in,
you know what I'm saying, when you have the guy
go through what he went through. Um, even though some
people make a consider a minor but I think that
you're talking about him being a first round pick, so
I had to kind of weigh that in. You know,
the same thing with Parsons as you do with those guys,
(24:58):
and I think he ended up pretty know, relatively high
as well Mac Jones, So I think that I think
it's the same thing with with all of these guys
when it comes down to any of the field concerns. Yeah,
I'm not a mac Jones guy at all. I personally
I don't see it. Um and listen, people who really
listen to the podcast regularly know that, Oh man, Jason,
you just blast Mac Jones every day. I don't. I
(25:19):
don't care as much about a d U I when
he was so young as I do. Just the fact
that as a football player, Corey, you know, this was
the perfect storm for him. Right. The SEC was as
bad at this as it's been in years. Okay, given
COVID and l s U was a train wreck. Auburn
ended up firing their coach like the SEC was down
and he had Mac Jones had more All Americans on
(25:41):
his offense than the Big ten and the Big twelve combined. Like, dude,
he's dropping back in exclusively clean pockets. He's got two
first round picks, a wide receiver. Uh you know before
Waddle got hurt, just dusting everybody, Naja Harris behind him,
Like this was the perfect storm. How many times, Corey,
have we seen alab quarterbacks look really awesome? Do you
(26:02):
want me to remind people what mel Kiper was saying
about a J. McCarron coming out Alabama. Oh, yeah, he
could be a starter in this league. And like he's
had like three starts in five years. He's not a
starter these Alabama guys, and I know him. I'm going
off here. Where are you on? Listen? This Alabama team
is stacked. And people will say, well, Jay, you could
say the same about Ohio State. No you can't. It's
(26:25):
they're not nearly a stacked Alabama gets the best recruiting
class every freaking year they do, and and and that
that's kind of I mean, we can make the argument
that even some you could say, name with Christian Barmore,
is he going to translate Nagierra's uh, and then you
have to kind of start evalue waiting, Okay, well, how
how will Deonce Brown go? Was he that good of
a guard? You know? How high will Alex leatherwould go?
(26:48):
How you know he was the Outlet Trophy winner. So
I think you have to start breaking it down to
those parts and and kind of evaluating it from there.
And I think you make a great point from that perspective,
because we can't forget about then Dickerson, who was a
spectacular center as well in the interior of their offensive line.
But when you look at Mac Jones, the game that
impressed me had nothing to do with this season, much
(27:10):
like Joe Burrow. If you go back to team Burrow
struggled against Auburn and in the fourth quarter the intestinal
fortitude he came out led them down the field after
just playing horribly. That's right, right, Well, that that was
You're exactly right with Mac Jones. But I was referring
to the Borough game the year before that, when Joe
(27:31):
Burrow had that happened against Auburn, and that's the game
that you just mentioned, Jason. The two pick sixes from
Mac Jones also against Auburn the next year. That kind
of showed you what this kid had inside of him,
because he threw the two pick sixes. And don't forget
that he came back and threw four touchdowns in that
(27:51):
game and they only lost by five. So I think
that that type of performance. How does the guy bounce back?
How are these guys on third down? You know, that's
a big question. How many sacks do these guys take?
Something that you have to evaluate with the quarterback position.
You start talking about sacks. That's why teams have reservations
with Justin Fields, holding the ball in the pocket a
(28:13):
little bit too long, getting on through that, you know,
second and third progression. Those are things that big reason
why he had to fumbles in twenty nineteen. Uh, Justin Fields,
this kid didn't put the ball on the ground much
Mac Jones in terms of fumbles. That's a big thing
to look at as well, And a lot of that
stuff kind of translates. So and from an accuracy standpoint,
(28:35):
he's pretty accurate. Yeah, Um, how about let's go back
to defense real quick. There's a kid, uh from the
Miami Hurricanes, Greg Rousseau, who you know every year I
do a mock draft right after the actual draft, and
last year, Rousseau was like top five. I had him,
and then I look and like everybody else has in
top ten and this guy's a superstar. He opts out
(28:57):
and then he goes to test and his teammates, the
kid Phillips, just blew him out of the water. It
was like Russou had been sitting on a couch not
work it out when he opted out and just thought
he could coast into the draft. And I don't know
what you're hearing about Russo, but there's a chance he
doesn't go in the first round simply because his pro
day was awful, even though his tape in twenty nineteen
(29:18):
was off the church good. Absolutely, I think you're right
on point again, uh, with with this whole comparison, Phillips
moving up, Russau falling down a little bit of a
fallacy with us because we still have Russau eighth overall. Uh.
And I think one of the things you have to
be careful of when you're evaluating players, even in their
pro days, everybody doesn't unwind the same, so some guys
(29:40):
will be able to get into what their movements are.
Quicker people tend to forget this got six seven and
he's two hundred and sixty six pounds. You know, you can't.
You know, one thing that that that didn't hurt him
on the pro day was eleven inch eleven inch hands,
And another thing that didn't hurt him on the pro
day was eight three inch wings man, and he ran
on the for a seven. He was for six. So
(30:02):
I mean again, not an explosive with the thirty inch vertical. Uh,
the four or five shuttle says he might not be
able to bend. You watch the video. The guy lines
up over the center as a zero technique, he lines
up as a three technique, evensive tackle over the guard
on third downs. You know, he lines up at both
defensive and spots. Now, he has some room to grow
(30:22):
in terms of secondary pass rush counters, you know, being
able to have a second move after your first move
is taken away. But he keeps guys at bay so
easily with those with his arm link. And I think
he's pretty good against the run setting the edge. So
he's again he's not gonna unwind as quickly as Phillips.
But Phillips, you take him. Are you sure he's gonna
(30:45):
stay healthy. I mean you're talking about an unbelievable amount
of injuries. This kid is young, He's got room to grow.
And I think you'll look back on the draft and
your original mock that you had. You may end up
being right. Yeah. I think that that's how it usually works.
And then you know, you get in your head when
you hear all this stuff and see stuff, and people
try to influence you, but you're right usually the first instinct.
(31:08):
My parents taught me that when I was young. Hey,
follow your first instance. Stay away from that kid. You
know he's not a good kid. I want to wrap
up here with um one more guy on defense, just
you know, you play defense in the NFL. I'm sure
you've seen the stat Jason oh Way, another kid at
a Penn State and again preface it, another kid who
works with LaVar Arrington. Um, Jason Away had zero sacks
(31:31):
this season and he's an edge rusher, and everybody said,
come on, where's the production? But then, like you said,
with russo, you look at the measurements and oh Way
tests like Ivan Drago and Rocky four. I mean, the
guy is a machine and it's like, well, how do
you handle that? And the best thing I had heard
was hey, Jake, go look up um. I think his
name is Danielle Hunter, who is in the NFL. He
(31:54):
went to l s U and had one and a
half sacks and people were like, I don't see the production.
He's had a pretty damn off some career off the
edge of the NFL. So where are you on O
Way and you know a guy with zero sax who
rushes a pastor. Well, I think for him, we we
we we weren't as high as everybody else on away
and I think that he can become a good player.
(32:15):
But remember, let's go back to the Neil Hunter, the
guy you just mentioned. What round did he go in?
That's the key. Yeah, so that's where you've gotta be careful,
you know what I'm saying, Like, Okay, so you gotta say,
is the Neil Hunter one of one? And I think
that's what you have to kind of, I mean, because
we could go with there's a number of guys who've
(32:37):
had good workouts, they did not make it, you know
what I'm saying. So I do think from that perspective,
there are some things I would have liked to have
seen away have one more year with Sean Spencer. Remember
when Spencer was there, who's the now the defensive line
coach for a Giant And I'm I'm I know Sean
and I think he does a hell of a job.
(32:59):
But when he was there, the kid had five and
a half sacks or five sacks the year before and
five tackles for loss or whatever this year. You know,
you may be adjusted to a new coaching style. That's
something that might be a little bit different. But I've
seen him play all over the place that they've had
him at a two point standing up. I think he's
got to speed up the process on some of the
line games and stuff that you have to do in
(33:22):
terms of being able to on the moves when they're
asking you to do something. That's where the rawdness kind
of shows up for me. And I don't think he
plays again. I'm probably one of the guys that actually
want to go see him play in the live game.
You know. I've seen him play live two times in person,
and never did I leave the games saying, wow, you
know that got you know what I mean? So sometimes
(33:42):
he was right, and that's kind of what you were
talking about earlier. When you're putting on even if you're
putting on some some video. You want to have a
guy kind of stand out. Uh, not to say this
guy won't turn into a pro bowler, has all the tools,
but he's got some you needs some refinement. Yeah, all right,
Corey Javis obviously check out his draft Nasty Magazine. Good stuff, Corey.
(34:06):
Congratulations on your success and uh enjoy the draft. Congratulations
on all your success man, I'm a big fan of yours.
And keep up the great work man. And and I
can't wait for the draft. I know you can't either. Yeah, alright, Corey, Thanks,
thank you,
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