November 26, 2020 • 45 mins
Tezlyn chats with Charlamagne Tha God, aka the Prince of Pissing People Off, who is the founder of the Black Effect Podcast Network, co-host of The Breakfast Club, and The Brilliant Idiots podcast, New York Times Best-Selling author, and Radio Hall-of-Famer to discuss his vision for the podcast network, politics, cancel culture, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It goes like this game this is to steal prayer
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from me. Y'all heavy feel almost ever seen. Don't want
to ask you a question real quick. Let's just keep
a real straight shot with no Chaser, you know, being
as nice, I'm gonna get a little bit rough. I'm
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here for it. Those who really believed in the American process,
all of us. You feel straight Shot No Chaser with
your girl Tesla. Figure out on the Black Effect podcasting
net work. What's happening straight Shooters? This is your girl
Tessela and figure out the host of straight Shot No Chaser.
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Today is a very very important day. I know I
say that a lot, but today really is an important day.
We have the one and only the founder of Black
Podcast Network, the host of the Breakfast Club and so
many other things, the one and only the prints of
pissing people off, Charlotta Magne, the gods in the building.
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What's happening to Charlotte? What's up, queen? How are you?
I'm doing good. I'm doing good. Thank you so much
for joining me. You know, it's one of my favorite podcasts.
You one of my favorite people podcast No, I don't,
but I do, but I enjoy everybody for different reasons.
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You know what I mean. I think, like I've always
told you, like your voice is so necessary in this
space just because, like when it comes to hip hop,
the streets and politics, I don't think we have a
black political culture because nobody's ever made that ship look fly.
You know what I'm saying. I think I think it's
it's it's a crop of people really assists right now
that's making that ship look flies. Tamiko Maalley making it
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look fly in social justice. You're making it look fly
when it comes to political commentary, and make it look
fly when it comes to political commentary. Like so it's
a dope time. That's what's up. We appreciate that. That
that I mean, that goes right into what I was
gonna ask you on why you know what? What do
you see because a lot of folks spent a lot
of time asking how you started black effect, making up reasons,
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lying in the comments, thinking they know all your business
speaking what like you said such confidence, but nobody really
focused on the why, And I feel like that got
lost in translation. You know what I mean. I don't
know if you agree, but I felt there was so
much attention on how did he started in who's behind
it and who's a partner and who's in charge? That
nobody really kind of zoned in and focused on the why.
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And I know you've talked a little bit about it,
but I wanted you to kind of go a little
bit more into detail, kind of piggyback and off what
you just said on why voices are so important? You
have eighteen plus now as a nineteen yeah, and a
bunch more. Okay, So why, I mean, because it's a
bunch of different things, politics, entertainment, comedy. Why was it
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so necessary? And also why was it so necessary in
the podcast space? Why is because I saw a lot
of other podcasts, you know, platforms being built, you know,
but they weren't necessarily for us by us, you know.
I mean, you've got great networks like The Ringer and
you know, Gimblet and Anchor, and you know they all
were very um, very white, you know, and anyway and
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and and not just very white. I think I've read
a statistic and I could be wrong about this, but
like only two percent of all podcasts are are hosted
by women, period, like like directly hosted by women. So
I was like, man, you know, for what I was
trying to build with my networks. I've always I was
a part owner of the Loudspeaker network for for for
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some years, you know. So I was just sitting back
watching the game, and I was just like, man, you know,
the only thing that's missing in the podcast space right
now is an actual platform for black creatives, you know,
not only just to be you know, podcast hosts, but
to be like partners and and and and you know,
actually have a chance to build build equity, you know,
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and in a situation. So that that's that was the
wife for me. The wife for me was it didn't exist,
you know what I mean, So let's build it. Like,
where is the black podcast platform? There was nothing before
the black effect. What do you see different between podcasting
and radio? You come from a radio space. I did
radio for ten plus years, television tem plus years. I
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do my show with a radio type of format, I feel.
So what do you think is different between just someone
hosting a radio show and podcasting. I think, um, podcasting
takes all the best elements of radio and magnifies it
times ten. Because you know, at some point in time,
radio just became a jukebox. So radio started focusing on
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the music more so than the personalities. And um, the
only really personality driven show that it show show time
that exists in radio nowadays this Morning Drive, Like they've
even taken that away from afternoons. It used to be
a time when Morning Driving afternoons with the two big
shows on the station, and you know, the best personalities
would be in those time slots, like you know, you know,
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you got you can name on a bunch of historic
morning shows from Steve Harvey the time, joining the Dug
Banks to you know this Jones in the morning back
in the day even and in the afternoons you had
Wendy Williams and Andre Martinez and d L. Hughley And
it's almost like radio got away from that and they
just started presenting music music, music music. So what podcast
did was take the best elements of radio, the personalities
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in the talent, and the personalities in the talent, you know,
get to talk for hour, hour and a half, two hours.
I like talk, so I want to hear. I want
to hear what the personalities are talking about. I just
think podcasts take the best elements of of radio, which
is personalities and talent, and magnify at times ten mm hmm.
I love talk radio two. I had the talk radio
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show for a couple of years, and most of your
talk radio shows, they're white. You don't see a lot
of black people in that space as well either. I
think the statistic and I could be wrong, but I
believe of podcast listeners are white. So do you think
that's because of content? Do you think it's hard in
the aug world where everything is sixty seconds, two minutes
and twenty seconds on Twitter? Do you think we're ready
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to absorb you know, this type of content forty five
minutes an hour straight of just listening to content and information. Absolutely,
Because when you look at the black shows that are huge,
like to Read. You know, the Read has been doing
this show for like eight years, giving you an hour
and a half two hours of content per week, and
then numbers are through the roof, you know what I mean.
You look at that show like a Drink Champs. You know,
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Drink Champs is a couple hours long a week, all
the smoke. All these shows are long form and it's
been that way for a while, like which I always
thought was screened right because the short form content got
a bunch of numbers. But in the long form content
got a bunch of numbers two, So people are definitely
willing to sit down and you know, listen to a
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podcast for an hour, hour and a half. You just
gotta give them something, something that that they're interested. I've
been very pleased looking at the numbers what this show
has done, looking at what everybody else has done, because
you still always think in your mind, well, somebody really
want to listen to politics for an hour or information
for our education for an hour. And I don't want
to say I'm surprised, but I'm pleasantly surprised to know
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that there is truly what I've always believed, a hunger
for this and delivering it in a different type of way,
a way that people can understand, a way that is digestible.
So I thought that was important to ask you what
do you see with the black effect? Like bigger picture?
Do you see it being fifty podcasts? Even more? Do
you see it because the game is kind of getting
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saturated now too, like everybody started a podcast? Is there
enough for everybody? Is there enough listeners for everybody and
the content for everybody? And then how do you see
the black effect? How big did you dream? That dream.
Well for me, you know, I look at the Black
confect I want the Black Effect Podcast Network to be
to the audio space what b T was to the
TV space in the nineties. Because when you think about
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BT in the nineties, you know, BT gave you Rap City,
but they also gave you b T News with that
Gordon and Jackie Reid, you know what I mean. They
also gave you Team Summit with Ananda Luis. So it
was a nice healthy balance of blackness on BT. And
I want the Black Effect Podcast Network to do the same,
you know what I mean. Like I more so than
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how big I know it's gonna be. I just wanted
to be impactful, you know what I mean. I want
people to tune in this great shot no Chaser and
and and learn something. You know what I mean. Learn
that is that that you can be a smart, intelligent
black woman from and from the hood and still and
still kick that ship, you know, and and and and
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and you know, not be afraid to talk to different people,
not be afraid to sit down with different voices with
you something I love about you, you know. So It's
like I just think every podcast on the network, people
have a tuneity to learn something from me. And that's
why it's so diverse, because it reflects a lot of
my interests, like I love comedy, I love politics, I
love social justice, I love mental health and mindfulness. I
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love sports. So it's a little something for everybody. You know, Well,
one myth I want to scratch. I know people be
making up stuff in the comment, so I think this
is important to say that it would be controlled by
our heart, you know, the content or how we get out,
and that's just simply not true. No one has told
me stay in this direction or only say this, only
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say that, And I appreciate that because I I think
it's so important for a creator to be able to create.
And when people see me five minutes on Fox or
three minutes on Fox, that's not the true picture of
who I am. To really know my thoughts, you would
really need to listen to my show, and not just
one show. Listen to what I talked, how I talked
when I talk to a conservative or a Democrat or progressive.
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And I'm the same person singlessly through all of that.
But it allows me to expand my thoughts, and that's
what I really appreciate. And I wanted to give you
big kudos to that, because you was like, just do
your things, your things. I hear they got me, they
got Russia Limball. They can't get no worse. I don't
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think exactly. I don't think they're not they're not tripping off,
you know, people's freedom of speech and no way, shape
or form, right at that's a good point at all
that I always use those two examples. There's a lot more.
You've got Bobby Bones and that was, but those are
the two extreme examples. You got Charlemagne, you got Russia Limball.
What can this company tell you about freedom of speech
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that's true? Which you wish company with your heir. I
don't think you should say that. Okay, that's a good point.
That's a good point because in this cancel culture, you do.
I mean, I'm who I am. You know, if they've
tried to cancel me, it is what it is. I
don't think not anybody in this space has never been
a part of some hashtag or some whatever. And I'm
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learning that that's no longer as effective as it used
to be. Would you agree that it's kind of I
definitely don't think it's as effective as it used to
be because I think we were giving too much energy
to it to begin with. You know, even like like
my producer this morning, he gave me, um, you know,
he was showing me the things I should do Donkey
of the day about. And one of them was the
NBA player Kyle Kuzman who plays for the Lakers. And
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I'm sitting there reading what he wrote, and I'm like,
they're mad about this because he's saying that America can't
live in a bubble, which is true. He was talking
about a rolling and everybody was coming at him saying,
you just came out of a bubble. Yeah, And he
was telling people America can't live in a bubble though America.
Americans don't have the discipline, you know what I mean.
People gotta go to work, people gotta go to school,
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like they gotta do certain things. That's all he was
trying to convey. And people were mad at him. And
I was just like, this is why Cancel coaches jumped
the shock right here, because people don't even know what
to be mad at. And I think it's a lot
of group think that goes into it, right, Like you
might say something and it might make total sense, but
that person who sees that may not even sit down
and use his cognitive use his or hers cognitive thinking
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skills to break down what you just said. They're just
gonna sit back and wait for what other people say,
and then that's when that social media group think comes
into play, you know. So I don't. I just think
cancel culture is just something we gave. We gave too
much energy too, and you know we we're holding imperfect
people to a perfect standard. That's that's never gonna work.
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We'll switching gears to politics. You know. I'm so proud
of you and your growth. And I'm sure you didn't
just start politics and political interviews over the last four
or five years, but you certainly went from here to here.
I mean a huge jump in getting in you know, interviewing.
I met you first on the Bernie Sanders campaign and
just watching now how you have really become a staple,
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you know, in the political talk space for candidates to
come sit down with you and either one do really
well or funk up. Like it's no middle ground, it's
no middle cround. Now either you either get a really
good interview are are they up? And you have had
an ability, I guess to make people feel so comfortable
that they slip up a lot, and which is good
because I think it shows people's vulnerabilities and at the
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same time it shows I guess how protected these candidates
were in previous spaces because you interview them just as
you would anybody else. Did you see yourself when you
talked about being a radio twenty years ago? Did you
see yourself being so influential in politics? I don't even
think do you realize how influential you are in politics?
You downplay that a lot, Charlemagne, and I'm always telling you, like,
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you're really huge in this space. People want to hear
from you. So did you see that for yourself? No,
I did it, But but I got a salute a
partner of mine. His name is dj Frosty dot com.
DJ Frosty is a long time friend of mine from Columbia,
South Carolina. And your Frosty told me man Along it
had to be over a decade ago, maybe like eight
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nine years ago. He just told me. He was like, yo,
I keep having this vision of of of you playing
like you being in politics, and I'm like, in politics,
like that's just seems so far off. Eight years ago
he was like, yo, he was like, I just keep
having this vision like you're gonna play a big role
in in politics, man, Like you're gonna help change the
world one day politically. And I'm like, and he literally
told me it's eight nine years ago. And so over
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the past couple of years, he's one of the people
I call and be like, can you believe this ship?
Can you believe we just can you believe it? You
know what I mean? And he's sitting back. You'll see
me on CNN, MSNBC and just be texting me like
I told you so, I told you like, And it's
so it's so weird that he saw that for me,
because I never saw that for myself at all. But
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you know, ted, like, you know, when you come from
a certain environment, I don't know why they think all
we do is sit around and talk rap all day,
you know what I'm saying, Like some of the best,
the best rappers talked about things that have of social
that have socially redeeming value in it. So they talked
about politics, they talked about you know, what was going
on in this preach socially, so that that that was
that part of it was never new. It's just it
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kind of started when Bacar came to the Breakfast Club.
But cars a partner of mine from South Carolina when
he was running for lieutenant governor, he came to the
Breakfast Club. Um, it's part of his press run and
it helped him out a lot, and and from there
it just kind of got the ball rolling. Like I remember,
um when when when sixteen came around, Bernie you know,
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came on the show. That's when you was working for
him in Simone and Nina Turner, and then Hillary Clinton
came on the show. So it's just like that kind
of what got everything like in motion. And then you know,
Angela I started coming on the show frequently, and mccari
came back, and then Eenie Williams came, and then Figure
Roll came in, the Turner came and it was just
all of these different voices that just started to come.
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So by the time, you know, two thousand nineteen came
around and it was presidential season, everybody and their mama
started showing up. So it's just kind of one of
those things that just happened organically. Really, Andrew Gillam, we
had Andrew on. Yeah, Man, I remember when Angela hit
me and was like, yo, you need to have his
brother named Andrew gillam on. He's about the run for
governor of Florida. YadA, YadA, YadA. He didn't stand a
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chance in hell it with people in Florida who didn't
know Andrew till he came on. That's right. No, that's true.
And a lot of people when they heard that any
of it, that's like, oh, I'm listening to this guy.
Sound really dope, Like you have really been able to
open up people. So I've always believed that hip hop
and politics mix, you know, I've been talking about since
two thousand teen. Nobody believe, and they thought it was
a joke. They said, this demographic doesn't pay attention, they
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don't vote. And to me, it was always about speaking,
meeting people where they are, not trying to talk over
people's heads, not assuming that people are dumb either, but
just giving people the information and trusting them to make
their own decision and asking real questions. You're the only
one that would say to Hillary Clinton, you know, people
don't think you're pandering, right, Like, nobody would say that.
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Who says that, Barbara Walters? I mean, who, like, who
would literally say say that? To a presidential Canada and
you just do it in such a natural way of
being authentic that it's worked. And I think that translates
to people. They get that they're just human. And you know,
it's so funny. Test. Test will be texting me and
we'll be talking and I'll be like, I ain't about
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to get in this ship, and Ted like, you ain't
got no choice this ship. You're in this ship, and
I forgot you. One day you said something to me
I had on the text. I was dying laughing. You
said something like, ain't nobody an nobody, a nobody asking
you like you ain't got like you? The way the
way you said that, that was funny. It was like, damn,
I guess you're right, Like, yeah, you really in this ship,
like whether you like it or about you're in. But
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it goes to me. It goes back to a quote
Malcolm x Alway said. Michael x Alway said, you know,
the person who is in control of the media is
in control of the mind of the masses. So for me,
it's just like, man, we get so much propaganda thrown
at us as black people. It's just like, yo, let's
let's get let's get the real voices on the air.
Let's get to this real ship, you know what I mean,
even when it comes to talking to politicians, like, I'm
not no, I'm not no political scholar. All I know
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is Black people been getting the short end of the
stick out here for a long time. So how are
we gonna fix that? That's the question. And I think
that's been a great line to point for the past
the past couple of years, because I think in a
lot of ways, all of us have contributed to shifting
the way that they have to even approach black people.
Do you see yourself kind of growing away from Charlotta
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Magne ten years ago, fifteen years ago, Like are you
now going to start transitioning into some other stuff? You know,
you talk a lot about how you first got into
it and hip hop, and you know, a younger demographic,
and now the conversation is changing where things of substance
really matter, you know, more than probably what they did
fifteen not to those things that have substance. But you
know what I'm talking about, You're you're changing, You're growing.
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Do you see yourself staying in radio? I don't want
to ask, are you gonna stay at the breakfast club
people are figure it out when you when you when
you make that move, if you make that move. But
do you see yourself kind of shifting away from that
because you're obviously closing some deals that have nothing to
do with just radio. You're doing the stuff with Audible,
and you have Comedy Central coming up, you have Black
Effect coming up. You talk a lot about being the
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plug is really important for you. So do you see yourself,
you know, still kind of appling above worlds. I love radio.
You look at guys like Tom Joyner, you look at
guys like Howard Stern. You've got guys that like Steve Harvey,
Elvis Durrain, Big Boy Sway like they've been on radio whatever.
As long as I got something to say and and
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and in our community has something to say, yeah, I'll
probably stick around, you know. I mean, I'm saying I'm
saying that now, but I really don't know what God
has as installed, you know, But yeah, the radio is
definitely in my my my my immediate future, you know,
and I want to see what I want to stick
around at least for the next election. Four. I would
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love you to stick around so you can keep plugging
my show. If nothing else. That's that's what I said.
But I mean, I love media, you know what I mean,
Like I just want to build a media conglomerate. But
it's not just about me, Like I don't, I don't,
I don't. I want to have I want I want
a million different voices out here speaking truth to power.
I want a million different voices out here pushing the line,
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you know what I mean, Like like when we talk
about even what we're building with black effect, you talk
about conservative talk radio. I was reading this article in
the New York Times and and conservative talk radio is
literally responsible for converting millions and millions of people in
the Conservatives. Now personally, I don't care what your political
party is, but I do care about us having that
same type of leverage with our various platforms. Like I
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want where where is the the talk radio station with
with the teslas? You know what I'm saying? Like I
want to hear another p O V. I already know
the line that the conservatives pushing, you know what I mean.
I want to hear what just black people got to say,
not not not even just progressives are on the left
or centrist democrats. I just want to hear what black
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people have to say, Black people that aren't necessarily tied to,
you know, the Conservative Party. I feel like that's that's missing.
So I hope with the Black Effect, we can continue
to grow that and grow those kind of voices and eventually, man,
I want to get my heart to do that. You
got all these conservative talk radio stations, Now let's go
build the black talk radio stations. Yeah, that's what's up. Man.
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I gotta just thank you because I think in one
of your interviews, I saw you do with somebody you
had said that a lot of people it was somebody
that was really impactful to you. Was it was a sister.
I don't know her name, but she was the one
that gave you a shot. And you said a lot
of people told you know, but this was like one
person that actually did what they said they were gonna do.
Was whoever discovered you or had something to do with
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discovering Yeah, And I just remember you saying she was
like she saw this for you, She saw the reckfast
club for you, she saw that opportunity for you. And
I've always had people say, oh, you know, I see
you be good because what people don't know is I've
been doing this for like twenty years, you know, with
no check, just grinding talk radio at a talk radio
show in Orlando, at the talk radio show in Oklahoma City,
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I did blog talk radio like everybody else, you know,
pulling up my laptop and just putting that content television show.
Doing that, plus working, plus raising my baby and going
through divorce and starting a business. This has always been
a part of my life. And this is really now
this season that I'm in with all of the things
that I'm doing as a collective, the first opportunity that
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I've really been able to do what I want to
do in the space um that I feel is is
my audience and do it my way. And so I
want to thank you for the opportunity and just kind
of thinking back to how we met, because you would
talk about Fox News like all the time. You still do.
You still talk about Fox News all the time. But
I was like, let me come on and explain my
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strategy behind Fox News because I felt really alone in
that space. I felt that no one knew why I
was doing Fox News. And I know Ebony had been
on Foxing before. I know you're really close to her,
but I felt nobody knew like my method to my madness.
I thought it was important that somebody was on Fox
News holding it down for the hood, whether it's two minutes,
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three minutes, because I don't get a lot of time.
Notice the difference between if somebody goes on CNN, they
get five minutes, ten minutes, you know, but Cari gets
a lot of time. I'm to be able to talk
to because that's the audience that they have. They want
to hear what he has to say. My space when
I'm on Fox News is very different. I only have
two to three minute. That's about probably as much as
I assume that they can tolerate. I may get seven
to eight. And it was so important to me that
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my people knew I was riding for them, and you
gave me an opportunity by going on the Breakfast Club.
I remember when I went on the first time and
I went to the comments, which normally I don't give
damn back comments, but I went to the comments and
when I saw everybody said Okay, I'm feeling this system.
That meant so much to me, Charlet Mayne, because I truly,
you know, I went through a lot that year. I
felt so isolated by myself, but I felt being on
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Fox News was so important and I just wanted people
to know why. You know, now you got Trump talking
about Fox News saying that there's too many people on
the left saying that now you know, they've totally switched
up their commentary. I believe that those voices like myself,
Donna Brazil, and Beny when she was on Fox, Wine Williams,
even though you know Wine and Donna they pushed hard
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lines for Democrats. I don't, but I feel those little
voices over time has made a difference. It's not that
we're trying to change every single person to watch Fox News.
But anybody can bang on somebody in your hood. When
are you going over to the other hood to bang
on the set? You know, bang on your enemy. So
I appreciate you giving me that opportunity. Why did you
give it an opportunity? Just straight up, I don't I
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don't think we've ever talked about that. I'm gonna use
this opportunity to ask because I don't think i've ever
asked you. I just think you dope, and I think
that you know our problem. Sometimes as people, as we
look at you know, the package, something comes in instead
of looking at the gift in side of the mother
bucking package. So as soon as they see a black
person on Fox News, they automatically say sell out, you
know what I mean. They automatically say, oh, they are Coon,
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they are Uncle Tim. They do you better listen to
what the hell is coming out of her mouth? The
same thing whatevery like you know, when everything was over there,
you can listen to what's coming out of her mouth like,
and it's the same thing with you better listen to
with coming out of Test's mouth. And that's why it's
so interesting. Even when I post clips to you now
on Fox, you don't see nobody talking to Fox News ship.
They just be like yo, maybe like she yo. They're
like your tests talking that real ship. I ain't that crazy,
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don't remember. Don't how it changed? Like it it literally
changed because they're actually paying attention, you know what I mean.
It's not that they're just turning on Fox and automatically
shutting it down, like they're actually listening to what's coming
out of your mouth. So I mean, for me, man,
I'm like, like the name of the podcast, Great Shot,
No Chases. I like people that speak truth to power,
and I like people who love black people. And you
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can have one five minute conversation with test and you
already know you're gonna get it straight and you're gonna
know exactly what she's standing on. You know what I mean?
I mean, not any phone calls I didn't got. They're
like Teds just snapped on the producer. Ted The producer
Teds just told the producers they ain't doing right. And
I said, y'all dealing with outpha women. What do y'all
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think this is? You ain't never got to worry about
none of none of these people not telling you how
they feel. And that's how it should be. When you
say people are paying attention? Can we credit Trump for that?
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Is that when when I say that Trump has allowed
he's the best and worst thing that ever happened to
black people, the worst in a lot of people's mind.
But when I say the best and people, I hope
people don't try to quote this and run with it.
I mean that nobody. I don't think we've ever paid attention,
at least in our lifetime, to politics how we have
with Donald Trump. He's made it entertaining. He's made it
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where he's petty as hell with some of that ship
is funny. Let's just keep it real. I laughed at
a lot of a lot of the ship that he's done. Um,
but he's made it where now people pay attention like
never before, and so they've gotten engaged. Would you agree
to that? Absolutely, I don't think that, and I mean, listen,
I'm only speaking from my perspective. Black people aren't monolithic.
But I haven't seen black black political culture spread out
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across as many different demographics of black people as I
have over the past. You know, eight years, really well
four years because really twelve because I gotta go back
to Barack, like Barack got the spark going right, Because
that was the first time I ever voted in my life.
I ain't know what the hell I was voting for
I just because he was black. To be honest with you,
I wouldn't because he was black and that Jess song
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was harder ship, you know what I mean. So I
voted for Barack, and I voted for him twice. But
then after that, I was like, wait a minute, now,
I should be voting for a reason, not just because
a person is black. So that's when I started paying
attention to policies and I started paying attention to, you know, what,
what what people are actually talking about. And I remember
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saying in ten, I'm gona vote my interests, you know
what I mean. So I was just following the different candidates,
listening to what they were saying, to see who was
saying things that were most aligned with my interest and
I was looking at both sides. I was looking at
conservatives and Democrats, and so, you know, I ultimately ended
up voting for for for um, Hillary Clinton. But it's
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like after that everything changed. Once I've got an office,
I started paying attention to it all local level, you know,
national level, you know, listening to different political pundits and
their views, um, really starting to see what legislation has
been implemented from certain people, what has helped the black community,
what has hurt the black community. And I don't think
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there's no turning back now for a lot of us,
Like I think it's so it's so much information out there.
It's a lot of misinformation out there too, but it's
just a lot of information that has woken us up
to the political process. That's why even when people get
mad at certain people for supporting certain individual supporting Trump,
in my mind, I'm like, I'm all for black people
thinking freely about their politics, even if I don't agree
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with their politics. I don't gotta agree with Angela standing.
I don't gotta agree with Candice owns ship. If we
don't want to take a picture of Trump, hey, that's
on them. But I'm just I'm happy that black people
are thinking freely about their politics because we all, we
all should be allowed to be wrong, right, That's right.
And I think, you know, it's been a trip because
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I don't A lot of people are. I think we're
similar in that way. Like I'm I'm honestly not triggered
by what Canada says or what Angela says. We had
a current, I had a conversation with Angela may have
on the show next month. But what I mean, how
she feels. It's how she feels, you know what I'm saying.
I don't. I don't feel personally violated by that, personally
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affected by I do know that the influence can change
a lot of minds. I get that, but to me,
I guess, at least with this show, I just want
to give you the information and make you do the
work and make you decide what you wanna do. And
not necessarily tell people what you should do and how
you should do and who is bad and who was evil.
I give you my opinion, and that's it. That's it,
that's all. I mean. I'm just not emotionally triggered by
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what people say and how they move and oh my god,
he said this and following out. And that's the reason
why I thought Trump should not be reelected for that alone.
I mean, the anxiety that he put on people like
I recognized that. I recognized that people really had anxiety.
I canna talk to my grandmother to three minutes. What
else and what? Trump did this? So Trump did that?
On my Trump did this and Trump did that. I
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mean it literally consumed like the minds of people every
single day, which was Trump's whole plan. I mean, he's
a media master. We talked more about Trump than we
ever talked about what Biden was going to do. We
talked more about Trump than we ever talked about what
we wanted. We talked more about Trump than we ever
talked about what we demand and what we earned and
what we should get. I mean, he just consumed our
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hearts and minds every day. What about Trump? What about Trump?
Where do we go from here. Now that Trump's have
the equation, I know it's still gonna be some people saying,
what Trump did that, such and such did that. How
do we push the line on getting the things that
we demand from the Biden Harris administration without saying, well,
Trump didn't do it, or he doesn't he's not in
control of the Senate. Hopefully we'll have control of the Senate.
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But how do we continue to push this line or
or do we just kind of do you see people
getting stagnant just because they're and putting their heads back
in the ground because they're glad that the trump eras
over per se. Well, I feel very optimistic. The reason
I feel very optimistic is because of people on the
ground pushing the line. You know, the Black Lives Matter movement,
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people like you know, Tamika Mallory and my son and
Linda Saucehold and Tell Freedom. You know, people like yourself
and and and attorney been Crump. Like the fact that
there's so much activity going down on the ground, I
think that makes it easier for us to keep pressure
on the folks you know in in the White House.
And you know, I've never had unless these nickels changey
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thing numb. But I've never had this many lines into
the White House, and I've never I've never had a
line into the White House period. But you got, you know,
people like Cedric Richmond Biden seeing your DVisor, you got
you know, people like sending the Kamala Harris is the VP.
Like these are people who you know, I've had quite
a few conversations with you know what I'm saying on
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their and off air, you know, So hopefully that doesn't change.
And um, I just want us to continue to on
the ground and just continue to push the line and
make demands. Like it's a bunch of black agendas out there.
You gott at least se a gaza. I don't queue
with the contract of Black America. You've got so many
people that have plans on you know, how do you
want to take funds from you know, the police departments
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and put them into the communities. Like it's a lot
of different things going on that can be done and
that can be implemented asap, especially if you know, they
flipped the Senate in Georgia. But I just think we
got to just keep pushing the line, you know what
I mean, Like now is not the time to get disengaged,
like I'm not comfortable because Biden and Harris one, that
don't mean ship. The hood still the hood, you know
what I mean? The black community is still dealing with
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the same things that it has been dealing with for
hundreds and hundreds of years in this in this country.
So it don't nothing has changed but the administration. So
now we have to make the administration uh systemically implement
pieces of legislation to help our condition, the way this
country systemically implemented pieces of legislation to destroy me. So
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and they and they know, they expect you to know
that you're gonna continue to push the line. Would you say,
would you say that they know ain't no friendships, you
know what I mean? This is all transactional, you know.
And and and and I love Senda to Harris, but
you know, she she has to understand her political aspirations
determine what happens over the next four years, because if
she played her cars right, she could be in the
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White House for the next twelve years. If Democrats play
their cars right, they can be in the White House
for the next twelve years. They can have the House
in the Senate because that's that's my next goal. My
next goal is to like really energize people for the
mid terms the way we energize people around presidential elections.
You know what I mean, we don't. We don't. We
don't do that enough, Like even with even with the
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Georgia Senate run off, and almost feel like we're trying
to get people to come to the club two nights
in a row. You know, you went on that Friday
night and turned up, but now your girls like, yeah,
let's go out Saturday. To you like, man, I'm tired,
I'm sleeping. I gave my all Friday. It's like, no,
we gotta turn up for another night. It's a weekend.
You gotta act like you had freak Nick or something more.
Miami Black Bike a weekend we out every night that
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we bought all these outfits. So it's the same thing
in Georgia, like we gotta make sure we we show
up there just to get those two cynencies. But that's
my next thing is really just focusing on, like how
do we get people in the jobs for the midterms
like we do presidential election. And see a lot of
that was in the message and telling people this is
the most conciquent election. You gotta do it for this election.
You gotta do not talking about Georgia, not talking about,
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not talking about because they put so much energy in
just this one thing. Now, I think that's what Rock
is gonna have to come into play too, right. I
think it's gonna come a point with Barack gonna just
have to say straight up, like y'all always saying I
didn't do nothing for black people. You know why I
couldn't get ship done, It's because I didn't have to
sen it. I didn't have the house. You think he'll
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say that, He's not gonna he should, he should, He
probably won't. I'm reading this book now, so I don't know.
Hopefully he'll get to that at some point in the book,
but that should be his messaging because that's the only
only where people are gonna realize, like, oh, so presidents
just can't make decisions, you know what I mean, Like
you got to have those other pieces in place in
order to really, you know, get things done. So I
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think he should be the person to come out and
say that, because he's the one that gets accused the
most of not doing anything for black people. I don't
think he will, though, I mean, that's that's good to
have hope that he will. I think he would say
he's he has said that he couldn't get anything done
because he needed the Senate in the house. But I
don't think he'll ever direct and specifically of black people.
I just don't see him doing that. I just think
he when when you're like that, you truly just want
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to be all things to everybody, And unfortunately we think
it's okay when I say, well, I'm talking about black people.
In leadership think it's okay to just assume that you're
talking about black people. They have a real hard time
of just saying what you've learned, what you saw, I
remember you see and taket me like why they just
can't say black, like it's so simple to you, And
I'll be like that, that's that's just not how they bove.
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They just they will not do what. They are so
afraid of losing white favor, losing hispanic favor, using that
to them, pro black means anti everything else. They just
have not grasps that. Unfortunately, ask you that the last week,
I'm like, so, who is the people of code? My
answer was everybody, not white, Everybody not white. I'm like,
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I'm like, I'm because I always wonder they are they
when they say people of color they mean like Latinos
and everybody else too. Are they just saying that's just
their way of saying black, because maybe black might come
off too harsh for them. I don't know. I'm just like,
why you always seeing people the color people? Is? Everybody
not not white, Hispanic, Asian, black, It's whatever it makes
people feel good. Charlemagne, I think we're all over here together,
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all fighting the big dragon. It is very hard for
people to identify now. They do what everybody else grew,
but when it comes to us, it is very hard
to just stand on that ship. They just cannot stand
on black and let Black be enough, solid enough on
its own. Every other culture can take from ours. Everybody
else sees the value in us, but when it comes
to a lot of our leaders, they just they just
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don't have the comfort level to do it. They're afraid
to piss off even people that were on in solid
Democrat districts, solid districts with how population of black folks,
they just won't do it. Yeah, we don't, we don't.
We're the only group of people that get disrespected and
where the base of a party, you know what I mean,
Like they catered at everybody else except for black people,
and they cared with everybody else. Thinks it seemed like
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except for black people. But eventually that's got to change,
you know, because I don't think this this this is
the last time. I think you're gonna get black people
to vote out of fear. Now, what's so interested that
they try to get us to vote out of fear
for every presidential election? This really was the election we
should have been scared, you know, I mean, because we
had a real fascist in the White House. But the
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way Democrats have resorted back to the same old messaging
and still normalizing Trump in a lot of ways because
you got Joe Biden saying things like those people on
on the other side of not our enemies. I can't
tell the last four years theyn't able you know, fascism
in the White House. They were, they were, they were
going along with everything that Trump was doing. So how
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can you say they're not our enemies? Like but and
you're so willing to extend on olive branch to them.
It's that olive branch over here. The black people, you know,
Democrats will ride just as hard. We just never been
exposed that way, like the way public Republicans ain't saying
nothing against Trump and the line real hard. You know,
Democrats to the same ship. I tell people that all
the time that they the same, they just have never
exposed themselves to a way you've never had against as
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politician like Trump. And for those listening, when I say gangster,
that doesn't mean you know now they think gangster means good.
When I say gangster, I mean literally like a blood
like literally gangster. You know you've never had that, You've
never had that. Democrats exposed it that way to show
how hard people will push the line no matter what
for their team. But do you think Democrats would go
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just as hard and not speak up and not stand up?
I mean I think Democrats I think they too saw
I think that you have. Honestly, the Progressives are more
gangster that I see more gangster coming from the aocs
and the representative on mall, the Niana Presidy's. I like
you need to turners like that's the game that they
they not afraid to speak truth to power. But then
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you got them centrist Democrats. They just want to tow
that line. They're so worried about that damn electoral college
that they'll throw a middle finger to that base to
try to go run after those you know, fifty of
white women who voted in sixteen and fifty five percent
who voted in Please don't leave us. They're gone. They
told they drew a line in the sand. And they
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like racism, they like bigotry. They don't care about what
you're talking about overhead. So it's like, stop catering into them,
and cater to your base. Show your base in love you.
I don't think you'll ever lose as long as you
continue to the water your own grass. Well, we shall see.
I'm glad to be on this journey. What you can.
I can talk to you all day. We got a
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bunch of subjects I could cover. But I know, do
you get tie the interviewing before we get at it? Like,
do you get tired of talking? Like all day you
interview all day, you go interview people all day, just
all a personal know, do you get tired? Yeah? I do,
only because um on, only because I just feel like
there's certain things that that that people will call me
(40:08):
for that I just don't know if I'm qualified to
speak on like I would rather. You know, it's the
same thing we always talk about when it comes to UM.
You know, these influences are our celebrity so to speak,
who who get on these platforms And it's like, Yo
Ice Cube, bring Alicia God with You'll bring Dr Claude
with you, bring you know, Derek Hamilton's what you bring
(40:31):
somebody who actually can speak to what you're speaking to
in a real way, Like I like what did he
did with All Black Party when he's standing with Dr West,
Bella me and and um mad Candae Holland's worth. But
it's like have them with you on the platform you
understaying like That's that's what I think should happen, you know,
more often, because I want that I can speak to
is my experiences. You know, if you want me to
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come talk about mental health and what I've been through, absolutely,
you know talk to me. I can talk to you
about going to therapy. I can talk to you about
the wellness that I practice all of that. But it's
just certain things. Um. I think when they when they
called me to speak about I wish I wish they
would bring bring other voices on is what I'm saying.
That's why when I get on these platforms, I I
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let them know, like, yo, you should be talking to
such and such, you know, even before they before I
go in, I'm like, yo, you should reach out to
this person to have this conversation. To reach out to
that person to have that conversation. Because but I do
turn down more things than I that I actually do,
especially you wanted a few who do. With a lot
of people, they just don't want to show that shine.
I mean, let's just keep it real and egos involved,
prize involved. They want to be the only one on top.
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They don't. I mean, they see it as a competition
instead of you know, a little, a little, it's a
lot of it's enough out here for everybody. You know. Well,
I would say that those people don't care about black
people as a hole. That's what I mean, because I
don't I care about black people as a whole. I
care about us winning as a community. And you know,
jay Z had this line back in the day. He said,
if everybody and your click is reach your clicking, rugged
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nobody will fall because everybody will be each other's crunch.
And I look at that past finances, you know, what
I'm saying. If everybody in your your your your your
circle has a voice, if everybody in your circle has
a platform, you know, how can the black community be
stopped If everybody's strong, if everybody got foundations, strong foundations
to stand on. And I think we got the point too,
man like, not just for black men, but just men period. Man,
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you gotta you gotta shut the funk up and let
women lead. You know what I mean by the way
black women lead, with black women leading us our whole life.
My mama, my grandma, my aunt, you know what I'm saying.
I even think about the people I used to like
to be around with I was a little I was
around my older sister and my girl cousin, so much
of my dad. Just like, get out here with all
these goddamn girls. Don't hang out with the boys. Ain't
talking about ship. You know, That's how I used to
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always feel. So it's just like now I love seeing
women in the forefront, and that's how it should be.
All the brothers should do and we should just sit
back and have y'all back. So y'all stand back and
stand by, so y'all not we're the black and proud boys. Okay,
So y'all not a paid to show up at your
full selves. When when we empower black women to show
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up as their full selve just by having their back,
our community is unstoppable. I truly believe that that's so real. Man.
I just appreciate it. I you know, people think you're
soul are probably with your career prints of pissing people off,
but you have been a power maker. I mean it
takes a lot. It takes a lot to set your
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pride to the side and eagle to the side to say, hey,
shout out to my girl, testlent to me, because in
the time people just don't do that. I mean, I've
had clients that I worked for that have never gave
me a shout at, which is cool. I'm behind the
scenes on a lot of ship You have been very
one of the few I would probably say, out of
a total of two or three people that have ever
just said no, give her an opportunity to speak, and
that that matters a lot to me. I never gave
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a damn because it's a lot. Even if I'm helping
a client move their voice forward or helping them be
better at what they do. I love black people, so
it didn't matter to me. How would happened. We've had conversation.
I like, I don't need to be on that call
and that I just want to know that it's getting done.
You know that somebody is pushing this line. I don't
have to be in the room. But it still feels
nice when somebody says coming the room because you've earned
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an opportunity to be in the room based upon your
work and not just talk. What that means a lot
to me. Absolutely well. I look forward to stay on.
And they asked with you for the next four years,
and with me and you and Tamka and we all.
They asked the day they won as soon as they
want you sex were talking about get ready. It's people
and they circle on their ass too. Because I put
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up a post about Centric Grichman on Instagram, congratulating them
but also telling him don't change his number. And I'm
looking at my phone, I got text like, let me
tell you about that, nigga. So and that's people in
that circle already. So hey, everybody pushing the line, I'm
with it. Yeah, I'm with it too. Well, thank you
so much for joining me. King Black Effect Podcast network
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founder The one and only Charlettagne, the God and building
step in by the one who gave me the opportunity
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Today is a very very important day. I know I
say that a lot, but today really is an important day.
We have the one and only the founder of Black
Podcast Network, the host of the Breakfast Club and so
many other things, the one and only the prints of
pissing people off, Charlotta Magne, the gods in the building.
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What's happening to Charlotte? What's up, queen? How are you?
I'm doing good. I'm doing good. Thank you so much
for joining me. You know, it's one of my favorite podcasts.
You one of my favorite people podcast No, I don't,
but I do, but I enjoy everybody for different reasons.
(01:30):
You know what I mean. I think, like I've always
told you, like your voice is so necessary in this
space just because, like when it comes to hip hop,
the streets and politics, I don't think we have a
black political culture because nobody's ever made that ship look fly.
You know what I'm saying. I think I think it's
it's it's a crop of people really assists right now
that's making that ship look flies. Tamiko Maalley making it
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look fly in social justice. You're making it look fly
when it comes to political commentary, and make it look
fly when it comes to political commentary. Like so it's
a dope time. That's what's up. We appreciate that. That
that I mean, that goes right into what I was
gonna ask you on why you know what? What do
you see because a lot of folks spent a lot
of time asking how you started black effect, making up reasons,
(02:14):
lying in the comments, thinking they know all your business
speaking what like you said such confidence, but nobody really
focused on the why, And I feel like that got
lost in translation. You know what I mean. I don't
know if you agree, but I felt there was so
much attention on how did he started in who's behind
it and who's a partner and who's in charge? That
nobody really kind of zoned in and focused on the why.
(02:38):
And I know you've talked a little bit about it,
but I wanted you to kind of go a little
bit more into detail, kind of piggyback and off what
you just said on why voices are so important? You
have eighteen plus now as a nineteen yeah, and a
bunch more. Okay, So why, I mean, because it's a
bunch of different things, politics, entertainment, comedy. Why was it
(03:02):
so necessary? And also why was it so necessary in
the podcast space? Why is because I saw a lot
of other podcasts, you know, platforms being built, you know,
but they weren't necessarily for us by us, you know.
I mean, you've got great networks like The Ringer and
you know, Gimblet and Anchor, and you know they all
were very um, very white, you know, and anyway and
(03:26):
and and not just very white. I think I've read
a statistic and I could be wrong about this, but
like only two percent of all podcasts are are hosted
by women, period, like like directly hosted by women. So
I was like, man, you know, for what I was
trying to build with my networks. I've always I was
a part owner of the Loudspeaker network for for for
(03:47):
some years, you know. So I was just sitting back
watching the game, and I was just like, man, you know,
the only thing that's missing in the podcast space right
now is an actual platform for black creatives, you know,
not only just to be you know, podcast hosts, but
to be like partners and and and and you know,
actually have a chance to build build equity, you know,
(04:08):
and in a situation. So that that's that was the
wife for me. The wife for me was it didn't exist,
you know what I mean, So let's build it. Like,
where is the black podcast platform? There was nothing before
the black effect. What do you see different between podcasting
and radio? You come from a radio space. I did
radio for ten plus years, television tem plus years. I
(04:30):
do my show with a radio type of format, I feel.
So what do you think is different between just someone
hosting a radio show and podcasting. I think, um, podcasting
takes all the best elements of radio and magnifies it
times ten. Because you know, at some point in time,
radio just became a jukebox. So radio started focusing on
(04:53):
the music more so than the personalities. And um, the
only really personality driven show that it show show time
that exists in radio nowadays this Morning Drive, Like they've
even taken that away from afternoons. It used to be
a time when Morning Driving afternoons with the two big
shows on the station, and you know, the best personalities
would be in those time slots, like you know, you know,
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you got you can name on a bunch of historic
morning shows from Steve Harvey the time, joining the Dug
Banks to you know this Jones in the morning back
in the day even and in the afternoons you had
Wendy Williams and Andre Martinez and d L. Hughley And
it's almost like radio got away from that and they
just started presenting music music, music music. So what podcast
did was take the best elements of radio, the personalities
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in the talent, and the personalities in the talent, you know,
get to talk for hour, hour and a half, two hours.
I like talk, so I want to hear. I want
to hear what the personalities are talking about. I just
think podcasts take the best elements of of radio, which
is personalities and talent, and magnify at times ten mm hmm.
I love talk radio two. I had the talk radio
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show for a couple of years, and most of your
talk radio shows, they're white. You don't see a lot
of black people in that space as well either. I
think the statistic and I could be wrong, but I
believe of podcast listeners are white. So do you think
that's because of content? Do you think it's hard in
the aug world where everything is sixty seconds, two minutes
and twenty seconds on Twitter? Do you think we're ready
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to absorb you know, this type of content forty five
minutes an hour straight of just listening to content and information. Absolutely,
Because when you look at the black shows that are huge,
like to Read. You know, the Read has been doing
this show for like eight years, giving you an hour
and a half two hours of content per week, and
then numbers are through the roof, you know what I mean.
You look at that show like a Drink Champs. You know,
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Drink Champs is a couple hours long a week, all
the smoke. All these shows are long form and it's
been that way for a while, like which I always
thought was screened right because the short form content got
a bunch of numbers. But in the long form content
got a bunch of numbers two, So people are definitely
willing to sit down and you know, listen to a
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podcast for an hour, hour and a half. You just
gotta give them something, something that that they're interested. I've
been very pleased looking at the numbers what this show
has done, looking at what everybody else has done, because
you still always think in your mind, well, somebody really
want to listen to politics for an hour or information
for our education for an hour. And I don't want
to say I'm surprised, but I'm pleasantly surprised to know
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that there is truly what I've always believed, a hunger
for this and delivering it in a different type of way,
a way that people can understand, a way that is digestible.
So I thought that was important to ask you what
do you see with the black effect? Like bigger picture?
Do you see it being fifty podcasts? Even more? Do
you see it because the game is kind of getting
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saturated now too, like everybody started a podcast? Is there
enough for everybody? Is there enough listeners for everybody and
the content for everybody? And then how do you see
the black effect? How big did you dream? That dream.
Well for me, you know, I look at the Black
confect I want the Black Effect Podcast Network to be
to the audio space what b T was to the
TV space in the nineties. Because when you think about
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BT in the nineties, you know, BT gave you Rap City,
but they also gave you b T News with that
Gordon and Jackie Reid, you know what I mean. They
also gave you Team Summit with Ananda Luis. So it
was a nice healthy balance of blackness on BT. And
I want the Black Effect Podcast Network to do the same,
you know what I mean. Like I more so than
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how big I know it's gonna be. I just wanted
to be impactful, you know what I mean. I want
people to tune in this great shot no Chaser and
and and learn something. You know what I mean. Learn
that is that that you can be a smart, intelligent
black woman from and from the hood and still and
still kick that ship, you know, and and and and
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and you know, not be afraid to talk to different people,
not be afraid to sit down with different voices with
you something I love about you, you know. So It's
like I just think every podcast on the network, people
have a tuneity to learn something from me. And that's
why it's so diverse, because it reflects a lot of
my interests, like I love comedy, I love politics, I
love social justice, I love mental health and mindfulness. I
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love sports. So it's a little something for everybody. You know, Well,
one myth I want to scratch. I know people be
making up stuff in the comment, so I think this
is important to say that it would be controlled by
our heart, you know, the content or how we get out,
and that's just simply not true. No one has told
me stay in this direction or only say this, only
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say that, And I appreciate that because I I think
it's so important for a creator to be able to create.
And when people see me five minutes on Fox or
three minutes on Fox, that's not the true picture of
who I am. To really know my thoughts, you would
really need to listen to my show, and not just
one show. Listen to what I talked, how I talked
when I talk to a conservative or a Democrat or progressive.
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And I'm the same person singlessly through all of that.
But it allows me to expand my thoughts, and that's
what I really appreciate. And I wanted to give you
big kudos to that, because you was like, just do
your things, your things. I hear they got me, they
got Russia Limball. They can't get no worse. I don't
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think exactly. I don't think they're not they're not tripping off,
you know, people's freedom of speech and no way, shape
or form, right at that's a good point at all
that I always use those two examples. There's a lot more.
You've got Bobby Bones and that was, but those are
the two extreme examples. You got Charlemagne, you got Russia Limball.
What can this company tell you about freedom of speech
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that's true? Which you wish company with your heir. I
don't think you should say that. Okay, that's a good point.
That's a good point because in this cancel culture, you do.
I mean, I'm who I am. You know, if they've
tried to cancel me, it is what it is. I
don't think not anybody in this space has never been
a part of some hashtag or some whatever. And I'm
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learning that that's no longer as effective as it used
to be. Would you agree that it's kind of I
definitely don't think it's as effective as it used to
be because I think we were giving too much energy
to it to begin with. You know, even like like
my producer this morning, he gave me, um, you know,
he was showing me the things I should do Donkey
of the day about. And one of them was the
NBA player Kyle Kuzman who plays for the Lakers. And
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I'm sitting there reading what he wrote, and I'm like,
they're mad about this because he's saying that America can't
live in a bubble, which is true. He was talking
about a rolling and everybody was coming at him saying,
you just came out of a bubble. Yeah, And he
was telling people America can't live in a bubble though America.
Americans don't have the discipline, you know what I mean.
People gotta go to work, people gotta go to school,
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like they gotta do certain things. That's all he was
trying to convey. And people were mad at him. And
I was just like, this is why Cancel coaches jumped
the shock right here, because people don't even know what
to be mad at. And I think it's a lot
of group think that goes into it, right, Like you
might say something and it might make total sense, but
that person who sees that may not even sit down
and use his cognitive use his or hers cognitive thinking
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skills to break down what you just said. They're just
gonna sit back and wait for what other people say,
and then that's when that social media group think comes
into play, you know. So I don't. I just think
cancel culture is just something we gave. We gave too
much energy too, and you know we we're holding imperfect
people to a perfect standard. That's that's never gonna work.
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We'll switching gears to politics. You know. I'm so proud
of you and your growth. And I'm sure you didn't
just start politics and political interviews over the last four
or five years, but you certainly went from here to here.
I mean a huge jump in getting in you know, interviewing.
I met you first on the Bernie Sanders campaign and
just watching now how you have really become a staple,
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you know, in the political talk space for candidates to
come sit down with you and either one do really
well or funk up. Like it's no middle ground, it's
no middle cround. Now either you either get a really
good interview are are they up? And you have had
an ability, I guess to make people feel so comfortable
that they slip up a lot, and which is good
because I think it shows people's vulnerabilities and at the
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same time it shows I guess how protected these candidates
were in previous spaces because you interview them just as
you would anybody else. Did you see yourself when you
talked about being a radio twenty years ago? Did you
see yourself being so influential in politics? I don't even
think do you realize how influential you are in politics?
You downplay that a lot, Charlemagne, and I'm always telling you, like,
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you're really huge in this space. People want to hear
from you. So did you see that for yourself? No,
I did it, But but I got a salute a
partner of mine. His name is dj Frosty dot com.
DJ Frosty is a long time friend of mine from Columbia,
South Carolina. And your Frosty told me man Along it
had to be over a decade ago, maybe like eight
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nine years ago. He just told me. He was like, yo,
I keep having this vision of of of you playing
like you being in politics, and I'm like, in politics,
like that's just seems so far off. Eight years ago
he was like, yo, he was like, I just keep
having this vision like you're gonna play a big role
in in politics, man, Like you're gonna help change the
world one day politically. And I'm like, and he literally
told me it's eight nine years ago. And so over
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the past couple of years, he's one of the people
I call and be like, can you believe this ship?
Can you believe we just can you believe it? You
know what I mean? And he's sitting back. You'll see
me on CNN, MSNBC and just be texting me like
I told you so, I told you like, And it's
so it's so weird that he saw that for me,
because I never saw that for myself at all. But
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you know, ted, like, you know, when you come from
a certain environment, I don't know why they think all
we do is sit around and talk rap all day,
you know what I'm saying, Like some of the best,
the best rappers talked about things that have of social
that have socially redeeming value in it. So they talked
about politics, they talked about you know, what was going
on in this preach socially, so that that that was
that part of it was never new. It's just it
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kind of started when Bacar came to the Breakfast Club.
But cars a partner of mine from South Carolina when
he was running for lieutenant governor, he came to the
Breakfast Club. Um, it's part of his press run and
it helped him out a lot, and and from there
it just kind of got the ball rolling. Like I remember,
um when when when sixteen came around, Bernie you know,
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came on the show. That's when you was working for
him in Simone and Nina Turner, and then Hillary Clinton
came on the show. So it's just like that kind
of what got everything like in motion. And then you know,
Angela I started coming on the show frequently, and mccari
came back, and then Eenie Williams came, and then Figure
Roll came in, the Turner came and it was just
all of these different voices that just started to come.
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So by the time, you know, two thousand nineteen came
around and it was presidential season, everybody and their mama
started showing up. So it's just kind of one of
those things that just happened organically. Really, Andrew Gillam, we
had Andrew on. Yeah, Man, I remember when Angela hit
me and was like, yo, you need to have his
brother named Andrew gillam on. He's about the run for
governor of Florida. YadA, YadA, YadA. He didn't stand a
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chance in hell it with people in Florida who didn't
know Andrew till he came on. That's right. No, that's true.
And a lot of people when they heard that any
of it, that's like, oh, I'm listening to this guy.
Sound really dope, Like you have really been able to
open up people. So I've always believed that hip hop
and politics mix, you know, I've been talking about since
two thousand teen. Nobody believe, and they thought it was
a joke. They said, this demographic doesn't pay attention, they
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don't vote. And to me, it was always about speaking,
meeting people where they are, not trying to talk over
people's heads, not assuming that people are dumb either, but
just giving people the information and trusting them to make
their own decision and asking real questions. You're the only
one that would say to Hillary Clinton, you know, people
don't think you're pandering, right, Like, nobody would say that.
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Who says that, Barbara Walters? I mean, who, like, who
would literally say say that? To a presidential Canada and
you just do it in such a natural way of
being authentic that it's worked. And I think that translates
to people. They get that they're just human. And you know,
it's so funny. Test. Test will be texting me and
we'll be talking and I'll be like, I ain't about
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to get in this ship, and Ted like, you ain't
got no choice this ship. You're in this ship, and
I forgot you. One day you said something to me
I had on the text. I was dying laughing. You
said something like, ain't nobody an nobody, a nobody asking
you like you ain't got like you? The way the
way you said that, that was funny. It was like, damn,
I guess you're right, Like, yeah, you really in this ship,
like whether you like it or about you're in. But
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it goes to me. It goes back to a quote
Malcolm x Alway said. Michael x Alway said, you know,
the person who is in control of the media is
in control of the mind of the masses. So for me,
it's just like, man, we get so much propaganda thrown
at us as black people. It's just like, yo, let's
let's get let's get the real voices on the air.
Let's get to this real ship, you know what I mean,
even when it comes to talking to politicians, like, I'm
not no, I'm not no political scholar. All I know
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is Black people been getting the short end of the
stick out here for a long time. So how are
we gonna fix that? That's the question. And I think
that's been a great line to point for the past
the past couple of years, because I think in a
lot of ways, all of us have contributed to shifting
the way that they have to even approach black people.
Do you see yourself kind of growing away from Charlotta
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Magne ten years ago, fifteen years ago, Like are you
now going to start transitioning into some other stuff? You know,
you talk a lot about how you first got into
it and hip hop, and you know, a younger demographic,
and now the conversation is changing where things of substance
really matter, you know, more than probably what they did
fifteen not to those things that have substance. But you
know what I'm talking about, You're you're changing, You're growing.
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Do you see yourself staying in radio? I don't want
to ask, are you gonna stay at the breakfast club
people are figure it out when you when you when
you make that move, if you make that move. But
do you see yourself kind of shifting away from that
because you're obviously closing some deals that have nothing to
do with just radio. You're doing the stuff with Audible,
and you have Comedy Central coming up, you have Black
Effect coming up. You talk a lot about being the
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plug is really important for you. So do you see yourself,
you know, still kind of appling above worlds. I love radio.
You look at guys like Tom Joyner, you look at
guys like Howard Stern. You've got guys that like Steve Harvey,
Elvis Durrain, Big Boy Sway like they've been on radio whatever.
As long as I got something to say and and
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and in our community has something to say, yeah, I'll
probably stick around, you know. I mean, I'm saying I'm
saying that now, but I really don't know what God
has as installed, you know, But yeah, the radio is
definitely in my my my my immediate future, you know,
and I want to see what I want to stick
around at least for the next election. Four. I would
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love you to stick around so you can keep plugging
my show. If nothing else. That's that's what I said.
But I mean, I love media, you know what I mean,
Like I just want to build a media conglomerate. But
it's not just about me, Like I don't, I don't,
I don't. I want to have I want I want
a million different voices out here speaking truth to power.
I want a million different voices out here pushing the line,
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you know what I mean, Like like when we talk
about even what we're building with black effect, you talk
about conservative talk radio. I was reading this article in
the New York Times and and conservative talk radio is
literally responsible for converting millions and millions of people in
the Conservatives. Now personally, I don't care what your political
party is, but I do care about us having that
same type of leverage with our various platforms. Like I
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want where where is the the talk radio station with
with the teslas? You know what I'm saying? Like I
want to hear another p O V. I already know
the line that the conservatives pushing, you know what I mean.
I want to hear what just black people got to say,
not not not even just progressives are on the left
or centrist democrats. I just want to hear what black
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people have to say, Black people that aren't necessarily tied to,
you know, the Conservative Party. I feel like that's that's missing.
So I hope with the Black Effect, we can continue
to grow that and grow those kind of voices and eventually, man,
I want to get my heart to do that. You
got all these conservative talk radio stations, Now let's go
build the black talk radio stations. Yeah, that's what's up. Man.
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I gotta just thank you because I think in one
of your interviews, I saw you do with somebody you
had said that a lot of people it was somebody
that was really impactful to you. Was it was a sister.
I don't know her name, but she was the one
that gave you a shot. And you said a lot
of people told you know, but this was like one
person that actually did what they said they were gonna do.
Was whoever discovered you or had something to do with
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discovering Yeah, And I just remember you saying she was
like she saw this for you, She saw the reckfast
club for you, she saw that opportunity for you. And
I've always had people say, oh, you know, I see
you be good because what people don't know is I've
been doing this for like twenty years, you know, with
no check, just grinding talk radio at a talk radio
show in Orlando, at the talk radio show in Oklahoma City,
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I did blog talk radio like everybody else, you know,
pulling up my laptop and just putting that content television show.
Doing that, plus working, plus raising my baby and going
through divorce and starting a business. This has always been
a part of my life. And this is really now
this season that I'm in with all of the things
that I'm doing as a collective, the first opportunity that
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I've really been able to do what I want to
do in the space um that I feel is is
my audience and do it my way. And so I
want to thank you for the opportunity and just kind
of thinking back to how we met, because you would
talk about Fox News like all the time. You still do.
You still talk about Fox News all the time. But
I was like, let me come on and explain my
(22:29):
strategy behind Fox News because I felt really alone in
that space. I felt that no one knew why I
was doing Fox News. And I know Ebony had been
on Foxing before. I know you're really close to her,
but I felt nobody knew like my method to my madness.
I thought it was important that somebody was on Fox
News holding it down for the hood, whether it's two minutes,
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three minutes, because I don't get a lot of time.
Notice the difference between if somebody goes on CNN, they
get five minutes, ten minutes, you know, but Cari gets
a lot of time. I'm to be able to talk
to because that's the audience that they have. They want
to hear what he has to say. My space when
I'm on Fox News is very different. I only have
two to three minute. That's about probably as much as
I assume that they can tolerate. I may get seven
to eight. And it was so important to me that
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my people knew I was riding for them, and you
gave me an opportunity by going on the Breakfast Club.
I remember when I went on the first time and
I went to the comments, which normally I don't give
damn back comments, but I went to the comments and
when I saw everybody said Okay, I'm feeling this system.
That meant so much to me, Charlet Mayne, because I truly,
you know, I went through a lot that year. I
felt so isolated by myself, but I felt being on
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Fox News was so important and I just wanted people
to know why. You know, now you got Trump talking
about Fox News saying that there's too many people on
the left saying that now you know, they've totally switched
up their commentary. I believe that those voices like myself,
Donna Brazil, and Beny when she was on Fox, Wine Williams,
even though you know Wine and Donna they pushed hard
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lines for Democrats. I don't, but I feel those little
voices over time has made a difference. It's not that
we're trying to change every single person to watch Fox News.
But anybody can bang on somebody in your hood. When
are you going over to the other hood to bang
on the set? You know, bang on your enemy. So
I appreciate you giving me that opportunity. Why did you
give it an opportunity? Just straight up, I don't I
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don't think we've ever talked about that. I'm gonna use
this opportunity to ask because I don't think i've ever
asked you. I just think you dope, and I think
that you know our problem. Sometimes as people, as we
look at you know, the package, something comes in instead
of looking at the gift in side of the mother
bucking package. So as soon as they see a black
person on Fox News, they automatically say sell out, you
know what I mean. They automatically say, oh, they are Coon,
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they are Uncle Tim. They do you better listen to
what the hell is coming out of her mouth? The
same thing whatevery like you know, when everything was over there,
you can listen to what's coming out of her mouth like,
and it's the same thing with you better listen to
with coming out of Test's mouth. And that's why it's
so interesting. Even when I post clips to you now
on Fox, you don't see nobody talking to Fox News ship.
They just be like yo, maybe like she yo. They're
like your tests talking that real ship. I ain't that crazy,
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don't remember. Don't how it changed? Like it it literally
changed because they're actually paying attention, you know what I mean.
It's not that they're just turning on Fox and automatically
shutting it down, like they're actually listening to what's coming
out of your mouth. So I mean, for me, man,
I'm like, like the name of the podcast, Great Shot,
No Chases. I like people that speak truth to power,
and I like people who love black people. And you
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can have one five minute conversation with test and you
already know you're gonna get it straight and you're gonna
know exactly what she's standing on. You know what I mean?
I mean, not any phone calls I didn't got. They're
like Teds just snapped on the producer. Ted The producer
Teds just told the producers they ain't doing right. And
I said, y'all dealing with outpha women. What do y'all
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think this is? You ain't never got to worry about
none of none of these people not telling you how
they feel. And that's how it should be. When you
say people are paying attention? Can we credit Trump for that?
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Is that when when I say that Trump has allowed
he's the best and worst thing that ever happened to
black people, the worst in a lot of people's mind.
But when I say the best and people, I hope
people don't try to quote this and run with it.
I mean that nobody. I don't think we've ever paid attention,
at least in our lifetime, to politics how we have
with Donald Trump. He's made it entertaining. He's made it
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where he's petty as hell with some of that ship
is funny. Let's just keep it real. I laughed at
a lot of a lot of the ship that he's done. Um,
but he's made it where now people pay attention like
never before, and so they've gotten engaged. Would you agree
to that? Absolutely, I don't think that, and I mean, listen,
I'm only speaking from my perspective. Black people aren't monolithic.
But I haven't seen black black political culture spread out
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across as many different demographics of black people as I
have over the past. You know, eight years, really well
four years because really twelve because I gotta go back
to Barack, like Barack got the spark going right, Because
that was the first time I ever voted in my life.
I ain't know what the hell I was voting for
I just because he was black. To be honest with you,
I wouldn't because he was black and that Jess song
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was harder ship, you know what I mean. So I
voted for Barack, and I voted for him twice. But
then after that, I was like, wait a minute, now,
I should be voting for a reason, not just because
a person is black. So that's when I started paying
attention to policies and I started paying attention to, you know, what,
what what people are actually talking about. And I remember
(27:35):
saying in ten, I'm gona vote my interests, you know
what I mean. So I was just following the different candidates,
listening to what they were saying, to see who was
saying things that were most aligned with my interest and
I was looking at both sides. I was looking at
conservatives and Democrats, and so, you know, I ultimately ended
up voting for for for um, Hillary Clinton. But it's
(27:56):
like after that everything changed. Once I've got an office,
I started paying attention to it all local level, you know,
national level, you know, listening to different political pundits and
their views, um, really starting to see what legislation has
been implemented from certain people, what has helped the black community,
what has hurt the black community. And I don't think
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there's no turning back now for a lot of us,
Like I think it's so it's so much information out there.
It's a lot of misinformation out there too, but it's
just a lot of information that has woken us up
to the political process. That's why even when people get
mad at certain people for supporting certain individual supporting Trump,
in my mind, I'm like, I'm all for black people
thinking freely about their politics, even if I don't agree
(28:39):
with their politics. I don't gotta agree with Angela standing.
I don't gotta agree with Candice owns ship. If we
don't want to take a picture of Trump, hey, that's
on them. But I'm just I'm happy that black people
are thinking freely about their politics because we all, we
all should be allowed to be wrong, right, That's right.
And I think, you know, it's been a trip because
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I don't A lot of people are. I think we're
similar in that way. Like I'm I'm honestly not triggered
by what Canada says or what Angela says. We had
a current, I had a conversation with Angela may have
on the show next month. But what I mean, how
she feels. It's how she feels, you know what I'm saying.
I don't. I don't feel personally violated by that, personally
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affected by I do know that the influence can change
a lot of minds. I get that, but to me,
I guess, at least with this show, I just want
to give you the information and make you do the
work and make you decide what you wanna do. And
not necessarily tell people what you should do and how
you should do and who is bad and who was evil.
I give you my opinion, and that's it. That's it,
that's all. I mean. I'm just not emotionally triggered by
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what people say and how they move and oh my god,
he said this and following out. And that's the reason
why I thought Trump should not be reelected for that alone.
I mean, the anxiety that he put on people like
I recognized that. I recognized that people really had anxiety.
I canna talk to my grandmother to three minutes. What
else and what? Trump did this? So Trump did that?
On my Trump did this and Trump did that. I
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mean it literally consumed like the minds of people every
single day, which was Trump's whole plan. I mean, he's
a media master. We talked more about Trump than we
ever talked about what Biden was going to do. We
talked more about Trump than we ever talked about what
we wanted. We talked more about Trump than we ever
talked about what we demand and what we earned and
what we should get. I mean, he just consumed our
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hearts and minds every day. What about Trump? What about Trump?
Where do we go from here. Now that Trump's have
the equation, I know it's still gonna be some people saying,
what Trump did that, such and such did that. How
do we push the line on getting the things that
we demand from the Biden Harris administration without saying, well,
Trump didn't do it, or he doesn't he's not in
control of the Senate. Hopefully we'll have control of the Senate.
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But how do we continue to push this line or
or do we just kind of do you see people
getting stagnant just because they're and putting their heads back
in the ground because they're glad that the trump eras
over per se. Well, I feel very optimistic. The reason
I feel very optimistic is because of people on the
ground pushing the line. You know, the Black Lives Matter movement,
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people like you know, Tamika Mallory and my son and
Linda Saucehold and Tell Freedom. You know, people like yourself
and and and attorney been Crump. Like the fact that
there's so much activity going down on the ground, I
think that makes it easier for us to keep pressure
on the folks you know in in the White House.
And you know, I've never had unless these nickels changey
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thing numb. But I've never had this many lines into
the White House, and I've never I've never had a
line into the White House period. But you got, you know,
people like Cedric Richmond Biden seeing your DVisor, you got
you know, people like sending the Kamala Harris is the VP.
Like these are people who you know, I've had quite
a few conversations with you know what I'm saying on
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their and off air, you know, So hopefully that doesn't change.
And um, I just want us to continue to on
the ground and just continue to push the line and
make demands. Like it's a bunch of black agendas out there.
You gott at least se a gaza. I don't queue
with the contract of Black America. You've got so many
people that have plans on you know, how do you
want to take funds from you know, the police departments
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and put them into the communities. Like it's a lot
of different things going on that can be done and
that can be implemented asap, especially if you know, they
flipped the Senate in Georgia. But I just think we
got to just keep pushing the line, you know what
I mean, Like now is not the time to get disengaged,
like I'm not comfortable because Biden and Harris one, that
don't mean ship. The hood still the hood, you know
what I mean? The black community is still dealing with
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the same things that it has been dealing with for
hundreds and hundreds of years in this in this country.
So it don't nothing has changed but the administration. So
now we have to make the administration uh systemically implement
pieces of legislation to help our condition, the way this
country systemically implemented pieces of legislation to destroy me. So
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and they and they know, they expect you to know
that you're gonna continue to push the line. Would you say,
would you say that they know ain't no friendships, you
know what I mean? This is all transactional, you know.
And and and and I love Senda to Harris, but
you know, she she has to understand her political aspirations
determine what happens over the next four years, because if
she played her cars right, she could be in the
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White House for the next twelve years. If Democrats play
their cars right, they can be in the White House
for the next twelve years. They can have the House
in the Senate because that's that's my next goal. My
next goal is to like really energize people for the
mid terms the way we energize people around presidential elections.
You know what I mean, we don't. We don't. We
don't do that enough, Like even with even with the
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Georgia Senate run off, and almost feel like we're trying
to get people to come to the club two nights
in a row. You know, you went on that Friday
night and turned up, but now your girls like, yeah,
let's go out Saturday. To you like, man, I'm tired,
I'm sleeping. I gave my all Friday. It's like, no,
we gotta turn up for another night. It's a weekend.
You gotta act like you had freak Nick or something more.
Miami Black Bike a weekend we out every night that
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we bought all these outfits. So it's the same thing
in Georgia, like we gotta make sure we we show
up there just to get those two cynencies. But that's
my next thing is really just focusing on, like how
do we get people in the jobs for the midterms
like we do presidential election. And see a lot of
that was in the message and telling people this is
the most conciquent election. You gotta do it for this election.
You gotta do not talking about Georgia, not talking about,
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not talking about because they put so much energy in
just this one thing. Now, I think that's what Rock
is gonna have to come into play too, right. I
think it's gonna come a point with Barack gonna just
have to say straight up, like y'all always saying I
didn't do nothing for black people. You know why I
couldn't get ship done, It's because I didn't have to
sen it. I didn't have the house. You think he'll
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say that, He's not gonna he should, he should, He
probably won't. I'm reading this book now, so I don't know.
Hopefully he'll get to that at some point in the book,
but that should be his messaging because that's the only
only where people are gonna realize, like, oh, so presidents
just can't make decisions, you know what I mean, Like
you got to have those other pieces in place in
order to really, you know, get things done. So I
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think he should be the person to come out and
say that, because he's the one that gets accused the
most of not doing anything for black people. I don't
think he will, though, I mean, that's that's good to
have hope that he will. I think he would say
he's he has said that he couldn't get anything done
because he needed the Senate in the house. But I
don't think he'll ever direct and specifically of black people.
I just don't see him doing that. I just think
he when when you're like that, you truly just want
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to be all things to everybody, And unfortunately we think
it's okay when I say, well, I'm talking about black people.
In leadership think it's okay to just assume that you're
talking about black people. They have a real hard time
of just saying what you've learned, what you saw, I
remember you see and taket me like why they just
can't say black, like it's so simple to you, And
I'll be like that, that's that's just not how they bove.
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They just they will not do what. They are so
afraid of losing white favor, losing hispanic favor, using that
to them, pro black means anti everything else. They just
have not grasps that. Unfortunately, ask you that the last week,
I'm like, so, who is the people of code? My
answer was everybody, not white, Everybody not white. I'm like,
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I'm like, I'm because I always wonder they are they
when they say people of color they mean like Latinos
and everybody else too. Are they just saying that's just
their way of saying black, because maybe black might come
off too harsh for them. I don't know. I'm just like,
why you always seeing people the color people? Is? Everybody
not not white, Hispanic, Asian, black, It's whatever it makes
people feel good. Charlemagne, I think we're all over here together,
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all fighting the big dragon. It is very hard for
people to identify now. They do what everybody else grew,
but when it comes to us, it is very hard
to just stand on that ship. They just cannot stand
on black and let Black be enough, solid enough on
its own. Every other culture can take from ours. Everybody
else sees the value in us, but when it comes
to a lot of our leaders, they just they just
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don't have the comfort level to do it. They're afraid
to piss off even people that were on in solid
Democrat districts, solid districts with how population of black folks,
they just won't do it. Yeah, we don't, we don't.
We're the only group of people that get disrespected and
where the base of a party, you know what I mean,
Like they catered at everybody else except for black people,
and they cared with everybody else. Thinks it seemed like
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except for black people. But eventually that's got to change,
you know, because I don't think this this this is
the last time. I think you're gonna get black people
to vote out of fear. Now, what's so interested that
they try to get us to vote out of fear
for every presidential election? This really was the election we
should have been scared, you know, I mean, because we
had a real fascist in the White House. But the
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way Democrats have resorted back to the same old messaging
and still normalizing Trump in a lot of ways because
you got Joe Biden saying things like those people on
on the other side of not our enemies. I can't
tell the last four years theyn't able you know, fascism
in the White House. They were, they were, they were
going along with everything that Trump was doing. So how
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can you say they're not our enemies? Like but and
you're so willing to extend on olive branch to them.
It's that olive branch over here. The black people, you know,
Democrats will ride just as hard. We just never been
exposed that way, like the way public Republicans ain't saying
nothing against Trump and the line real hard. You know,
Democrats to the same ship. I tell people that all
the time that they the same, they just have never
exposed themselves to a way you've never had against as
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politician like Trump. And for those listening, when I say gangster,
that doesn't mean you know now they think gangster means good.
When I say gangster, I mean literally like a blood
like literally gangster. You know you've never had that, You've
never had that. Democrats exposed it that way to show
how hard people will push the line no matter what
for their team. But do you think Democrats would go
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just as hard and not speak up and not stand up?
I mean I think Democrats I think they too saw
I think that you have. Honestly, the Progressives are more
gangster that I see more gangster coming from the aocs
and the representative on mall, the Niana Presidy's. I like
you need to turners like that's the game that they
they not afraid to speak truth to power. But then
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you got them centrist Democrats. They just want to tow
that line. They're so worried about that damn electoral college
that they'll throw a middle finger to that base to
try to go run after those you know, fifty of
white women who voted in sixteen and fifty five percent
who voted in Please don't leave us. They're gone. They
told they drew a line in the sand. And they
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like racism, they like bigotry. They don't care about what
you're talking about overhead. So it's like, stop catering into them,
and cater to your base. Show your base in love you.
I don't think you'll ever lose as long as you
continue to the water your own grass. Well, we shall see.
I'm glad to be on this journey. What you can.
I can talk to you all day. We got a
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bunch of subjects I could cover. But I know, do
you get tie the interviewing before we get at it? Like,
do you get tired of talking? Like all day you
interview all day, you go interview people all day, just
all a personal know, do you get tired? Yeah? I do,
only because um on, only because I just feel like
there's certain things that that that people will call me
(40:08):
for that I just don't know if I'm qualified to
speak on like I would rather. You know, it's the
same thing we always talk about when it comes to UM.
You know, these influences are our celebrity so to speak,
who who get on these platforms And it's like, Yo
Ice Cube, bring Alicia God with You'll bring Dr Claude
with you, bring you know, Derek Hamilton's what you bring
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somebody who actually can speak to what you're speaking to
in a real way, Like I like what did he
did with All Black Party when he's standing with Dr West,
Bella me and and um mad Candae Holland's worth. But
it's like have them with you on the platform you
understaying like That's that's what I think should happen, you know,
more often, because I want that I can speak to
is my experiences. You know, if you want me to
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come talk about mental health and what I've been through, absolutely,
you know talk to me. I can talk to you
about going to therapy. I can talk to you about
the wellness that I practice all of that. But it's
just certain things. Um. I think when they when they
called me to speak about I wish I wish they
would bring bring other voices on is what I'm saying.
That's why when I get on these platforms, I I
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let them know, like, yo, you should be talking to
such and such, you know, even before they before I
go in, I'm like, yo, you should reach out to
this person to have this conversation. To reach out to
that person to have that conversation. Because but I do
turn down more things than I that I actually do,
especially you wanted a few who do. With a lot
of people, they just don't want to show that shine.
I mean, let's just keep it real and egos involved,
prize involved. They want to be the only one on top.
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They don't. I mean, they see it as a competition
instead of you know, a little, a little, it's a
lot of it's enough out here for everybody. You know. Well,
I would say that those people don't care about black
people as a hole. That's what I mean, because I
don't I care about black people as a whole. I
care about us winning as a community. And you know,
jay Z had this line back in the day. He said,
if everybody and your click is reach your clicking, rugged
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nobody will fall because everybody will be each other's crunch.
And I look at that past finances, you know, what
I'm saying. If everybody in your your your your your
circle has a voice, if everybody in your circle has
a platform, you know, how can the black community be
stopped If everybody's strong, if everybody got foundations, strong foundations
to stand on. And I think we got the point too,
man like, not just for black men, but just men period. Man,
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you gotta you gotta shut the funk up and let
women lead. You know what I mean by the way
black women lead, with black women leading us our whole life.
My mama, my grandma, my aunt, you know what I'm saying.
I even think about the people I used to like
to be around with I was a little I was
around my older sister and my girl cousin, so much
of my dad. Just like, get out here with all
these goddamn girls. Don't hang out with the boys. Ain't
talking about ship. You know, That's how I used to
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always feel. So it's just like now I love seeing
women in the forefront, and that's how it should be.
All the brothers should do and we should just sit
back and have y'all back. So y'all stand back and
stand by, so y'all not we're the black and proud boys. Okay,
So y'all not a paid to show up at your
full selves. When when we empower black women to show
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up as their full selve just by having their back,
our community is unstoppable. I truly believe that that's so real. Man.
I just appreciate it. I you know, people think you're
soul are probably with your career prints of pissing people off,
but you have been a power maker. I mean it
takes a lot. It takes a lot to set your
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pride to the side and eagle to the side to say, hey,
shout out to my girl, testlent to me, because in
the time people just don't do that. I mean, I've
had clients that I worked for that have never gave
me a shout at, which is cool. I'm behind the
scenes on a lot of ship You have been very
one of the few I would probably say, out of
a total of two or three people that have ever
just said no, give her an opportunity to speak, and
that that matters a lot to me. I never gave
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a damn because it's a lot. Even if I'm helping
a client move their voice forward or helping them be
better at what they do. I love black people, so
it didn't matter to me. How would happened. We've had conversation.
I like, I don't need to be on that call
and that I just want to know that it's getting done.
You know that somebody is pushing this line. I don't
have to be in the room. But it still feels
nice when somebody says coming the room because you've earned
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an opportunity to be in the room based upon your
work and not just talk. What that means a lot
to me. Absolutely well. I look forward to stay on.
And they asked with you for the next four years,
and with me and you and Tamka and we all.
They asked the day they won as soon as they
want you sex were talking about get ready. It's people
and they circle on their ass too. Because I put
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up a post about Centric Grichman on Instagram, congratulating them
but also telling him don't change his number. And I'm
looking at my phone, I got text like, let me
tell you about that, nigga. So and that's people in
that circle already. So hey, everybody pushing the line, I'm
with it. Yeah, I'm with it too. Well, thank you
so much for joining me. King Black Effect Podcast network
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founder The one and only Charlettagne, the God and building
step in by the one who gave me the opportunity
for straight Shot and I'm Chaser. Thank you a much
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