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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Podcast starts now. Wow wow wow, wow wow. Welcome back
to Stradio Lab.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
And welcome to season five and five.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Five years. Well four, but you know what I mean,
season five.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
It's the fifth year.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
It's the fifth year. It's the fifth year.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
I mean, five is a major one.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
No, it's huge, We're happy for a decade. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Well, I thought four was a major one because and
if I can be so boldest to address this head on,
I felt like four was a major year because it
felt like we're up for reelection, which I thought was
the funniest joke I've ever heard in my life. Yeah,
of course, And of course we famously released voting themed merchandise, yes,
that people have been purchasing everywhere from Miami to Ebitha,

(01:10):
and so I sort of thought that was a really
fun way to play with the idea of four years.
And it sort of hasn't caught on in the way
that I would have liked, if I can be honest, would.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Be I, Yeah, I agree, it hasn't caught on in
the way that we were both hoping and thinking it
was obviously going to.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, because five seems cliche, and again we are not
at five yet, so We'll see what it's like when
we actually are at five years. Five seems like, oh,
everyone celebrates five, but how fun to celebrate four.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Well here's something. Here's the concept I've been working with recently, Okay, okay,
is that I think I will always retell the story
so that I am right and I am important. And
like I was thinking about, you know, so four year anniversary.
I'm like, okay, so four years, that's actually the biggest
it could be because that's presidential. We went through a
whole person term, which is not a way that people

(02:02):
usually measure time. But I'm like, there, we did it
four years, and now like I feel that way where
I'm in LA and I'm like, like, because when I
was in New York, I was like, oh, being rough
and tumble, being rough and tumble, there's really the value.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
You drinking game drink. When the thought gets to La
versus New York, I can't believe I thought it wasn't
going to be that for a single second.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
You aren't. You aren't even letting me okay, go go go, Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
So how is the presidential How is the length of
a presidential term related to La versus New York.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
You're not hearing me, George. I'm saying that I'm always right,
and in a bad way. I think this is a
bad quality where I don't actually have any concrete values.
I just make sure that I am right. Like so
the four year thing, what I mean is like we
make that important because we're like, we want to be right.
And now the five year thing, we're like, well, that's
also important, and we want to be right, and like

(02:52):
like like when I was like the New York part is,
I was like, you know, I was rough and tumble
in New York, and I was like, well, rough and
tumble is good. Actually, oh and now I'm like not
as rough and tumble in LA and I'm like, well,
actually it's good to not be rough and tumble anymore.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Well, and You're also like, why does everyone needs to
grow up?

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Everyone should grow up and actually everyone should invest And
I'm like the way that I am just simply sort
of being given, like having things thrust upon me in
life and just being like, well, of course I always
intended for that to be the case.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
The tonal.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
And it's like it's very it does feel a bit
like trumpy in a weird way. And I'm trying to
check in with it and be like, wait, what do
I actually think? Is everything just a justification for what
has happened to me? Or do I actually believe anything?

Speaker 2 (03:39):
It is the thing you are doing, by default, the
morally and ethically correct one. And basically, when you stand
for nothing and I'm now not talking about you, Sam Taggart,
when one stands for nothing, basically like at any given point,
you are creating a moral universe around your specific circumstances.
So you're literally like I am having omakas say, the

(04:01):
best type of meal.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah. I even felt this way with like fashion totally.
I think like when I like when skinny jeans were
in or whatever, I was like, well this is perfect.
I'm rail thin and now like I'm less skinny and
like big things are in it. I'm like, well this
is actually perfect for me. This is my like I
actually created this fashion trend. Like there's something so.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Like yeah, and actually this goes okay. So to make
it about me, please and to and be you know,
my version of la versus New York is of course
my wedding. Oh my god, what oh never mind, I
got I got a text from a guest. Oh that
started with mortified to be texting you this, and I thought, oh,
they're canceling, but in fact they're looking for the venue INFOLM,

(04:45):
crisis averted averted, price is averted.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
And so you were talking about your wedding.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Okay, So so basically when when we were shopping for suits,
I said this on the podcast, But there basically is
simply no way to not be tacky if you are
two men getting married. This is just like, to me,
it's a truism, like anything you do. If you match,
it's tacky. If you do a little bit like oh,
one is in maroon and one is in you know,

(05:12):
forest green and we're in a forest, disgusting like that,
that also is tacky. To do casual as tacky. To
do something fun and can't be like a bolo tie
is tacky. To do super form. I mean, I guess
the only thing you could do is fully black tie
two tuxes.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
That's good of hot.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
I think that is maybe the only saving But then
it's almost like if you're doing two tuxes, there's something
so you know, want to be straight wedding about it.
Mm hmmm, Like there's something sort of like republican of course. Well,
so anyway, the point is I at every given every
time I would make a new decision about how we

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wanted to look, I'd be like, oh, finally, this is
the one non tacky choice, and I would just like
convince myself this is it.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, And now you're learning that there's no way to
avoid it.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
There's no way to avoid it. But there's also unlike
unlike say a birthday, or unlike a I don't know,
even like a work of art or something, there's no
way to even lean into it because actually it sucks
when if you're if I'm saying, I'm leaning into the tagginess,
that's also taggy. You can't win, do you know what

(06:21):
I mean. Yeah, So anyway, that's where I'm at right now.
I also need to tell everyone at home, we're recording
this six days before my wedding, So this is what
you're getting. This is what you're getting. Nothing like I've resisted.
I think we can all agree. To my credit, I
have not been one of these people that's constantly talking
about their wedding. And I've actually been very conscious of

(06:42):
I mean, I talk about it with you because you
are my you know, dear friend.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
But I think in general, I'm like, we're gonna have
to check the tapes on that one.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
But don't you do you feel like I've been maybe
I'm wrong. Do you feel like I've been like constantly
bring it up?

Speaker 1 (06:53):
No? I mean, I think you're talking about a normal amount.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
A more normal amount.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
I do think you're also setting yourself up to fail
by say you're not talking about it, because.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
No, I talk about it. But I guess right now,
my point is like that ship has sailed this week.
There's nothing else. I mean, I feel like I'm basically
my brain is broken, Like I can't think about anything
else because it seems like completely beside the point, because
my entire life is like how do I make sure
my aunt and my cousins are in the right hotel?
And how do you know I want to visit them

(07:21):
the right amount and you know, make them feel welcome,
And then my other cousin is coming tomorrow, and then
my mom is coming to the day after that, and
then like, is the restaurant I'm recommending gonna have reservations?
And is it too expensive? And are we like is
everyone satisfied with their hair and makeup? And is the
one vegan that's coming to her wedding. Max Water gonna
be gonna have a meal.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Oh, we can order something to go find eas used
to it. You can put some bring some veggies to
throw on the grill.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, exactly grill. I know, honey, it's gonna be crue today.
He's gonna get baby carrots and whole food's hummus and
he's gonna like it.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Okay, I have to tell you one thing, please. I
in preparation for your wedding, I watched My Big Factory
Wedding again.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
What did you think?

Speaker 1 (08:06):
I thought this is a weird movie.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Wait, it was it your first time watching it?

Speaker 1 (08:10):
No? I saw it when I was a kid, okay,
and like liked it. I remember being like, damn, this
movie is good.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
It's great.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
But then I watched it as right now as an adult,
and I really didn't love it. To be honest, I
was sort of like it. It felt like you had
to be there moment.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Like, I was like, did you feel like it was
like it's politics were regressive in some way? Yes?

Speaker 1 (08:38):
I felt like there was also, like I remember it
feeling funnier and maybe like it just didn't feel as
funny to me this time, Like I was like, yeah, okay, Like, yeah,
I guess Greek people are kind of weird, huh, but.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
I mean it is Unfortunately, there's like no way for
me to talk about big factorick wedding in an objective way.
And all the jokes have been so canonized in my
immediate world and in my family that like and I
and I and here's the other thing. And I'm sure
you have things like this too, where like I don't
know which of the jokes work because they are specific

(09:18):
to Greek people versus because they are objectively good jokes
in a film. Yeah, Like, for example, the dad saying,
show give me a word, any word, and I'll show
you how the root of that word is Greek. That
is literally how Greek people are because they're so proud that,
like the Greek language is the root of so many
English words. And I genuinely don't know if that's actually

(09:41):
funny or if because that is exactly what everyone I
know does. It was like fun to see it represented.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Sure, sure, sure, I mean it's it is a good
it's yeah. I just remember being like like the windex joke.
I remember like that crushing when I was.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Well the Windex joke. Yes, totally. The Windex joke has
an element of I love lamp. Yeah, yeah, because they're there.
Well it's not just yet to be there. Okay, I've
been thinking about this a lot. People are talking about
like how memes are bad now. People are like, so
the new thing is just saying the word demure, Like
that is not a meme, like in my day we

(10:17):
had lullcats or whatever. And actually, and I've I've fallen
prey to that line of thinking too, but I actually
think demure is just the new movie quote. Everyone says.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
So it's like it used to be that you would
just say, like literally, just wearing a shirt that said
vote for Pedro was the funniest thing you could do.
It used to be that's saying San Diego means a
whale's vagina was like such a funny reference. And that
is all demure is. Like, it's just like we all
heard it somewhere that girl has, like her delivery is

(10:49):
funny when she's like very demure, very mindful, and so
then everyone is just doing that. And it's not that
they are such you know, late capitalist subjects that lack imagination.
It's just that they're like doing what all of us
have always done, which is repeating something we heard on
a screen.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
George, this is one of the more genius things you've
ever said, which it really is. Like, No, we're just
quoting movies. It's just we're just quoting movies. We don't
have monoculture anymore except in on the internet. That's where
it is.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Literally, it's not funnier to do like a Napoleon Dynamite quote.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
I mean, I would even argue it's not even I
think this is a good reframing where Demir is not
a meme, it is a movie quote.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
It's a movie quote. I mean, do I wish that
the things people were quoting were from movies released in
cinemas worldwide.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Perhaps people could be quoting Deadpool and Wolverine.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, that's exactly what I was gonna say. Perhaps they
could be quoting you know, original scripts written by women.
Oh perhaps, or potentially a film like Challengers. Perhaps they
could be quoting you know, movies about a woman going
through a divorce and discovering that her third act is

(12:00):
her best act. Oh, starring you know, potentially a Maria Bello.
But that's not the world we live in right now.
So I just I do think it's a necessary reframing.
That said, I still think it's insanely annoying when I
see anything about demure. I'm not saying like, oh and
actually I love it, Like I don't. It sucks.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Okay, So here's the thing. Because it's a movie quote.
That's why it sucks.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
People think they've outsmarted quoting movies and know how to
reference humor. They're like, oh, well, this isn't a move.
I'm not quoting a movie. I know, ye, quoting movies
is this act. I'm quoting the meme.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Okay, So this is the mainstreaming of internet culture because
it used to be that anything on the Internet was
a meme. But now internet is what movie blockbusters were,
so quoting something from the Internet is no longer has
nothing to do with meme culture or internet culture. It
just has to do with like, this is a thing
people say.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, and so it it's it is as embarrassing as
quoting a movie. Yes, you have not out smart you
are just quoting a movie. Yes, And I think the yeah,
the mere thing it's, you know, when people don't crave originality,
it's really wild. I was thinking about this recently because

(13:14):
I was thinking about like astrology and like why it
hasn't ever spoken to me? And I'm like, because it,
like it doesn't give me the credit of being my
own person.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
It's one hull.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Anyone in that month is like you and I'm like,
well no, Like they're like, oh, you're doing that because
you're a cancer, and it's like, no, it's because I'm Sam.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
You know. I have to say, like my contrarian streak
has really mellowed out as I've gotten older, which I'm
happy about, and most things that used to bother me
don't anymore. However, astrology, I would say, is an exception
to that, where I'm still when someone like earnestly whips
out astrology or shares a Channy Nicholas tweet that's like

(13:58):
welcome to cancers. Are you know two left feet? Like
wops for breakfast, like looking at the wall as self care, it's.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Like, shut the fuck up, yes, bitch, go off, get their.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Asses Jesus Christ, like have some self respect.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
It is weird too, especially like I think the weirdest
is when you like see someone who you think was
thought was critical and then they're doing it and you're
like whoa, whoa, whoa. Also we're reaching a like the
bottom keeps getting lower. Like it's like it used to
be like, oh, I can see how astrology like you know,
you're reading and it's like kind of fun to be

(14:37):
to make meaning out of your life. And now it's
like a picture of like Pikachu and you're like cancers. Know,
it's like, what what is this just talk about? I
mean it's the Internet is really reducing. It's getting Yeah,
the bar is getting lower and lower, and you think
it can't get lower, and it gets lower. Like I

(14:59):
can't stop thinking about how like the videos aren't meant
to be watched as videos. They're just meant to be
like colors and sounds to keep your attention for long
enough to like it's bluey.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
We're all little we're all little kids, and our parents
Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk are just feeding us bluey.
They're like, here's iPad. Here's the iPad.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Oh, here's iPod. I did not expect you know. We
are recording this on I'll say it labor day.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Labor Day, by the way, we're not even we're literally scabs.
We're working on labor day.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
It's ten thirty in the morning, and you know, when
we entered the studio, I thought we've got nothing. And
the way that we have eviscerated all of culture is
shocking to me.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Can I say something please? The pole you are wearing
is the hottest article of clothing I've seen in my life.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
You know, thank you so much for saying that. It's
actually extremely tight and makes me look beefy as fun.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
I'm literally like attracted to you in like a real way.
I'm like, this is great. This actually reminds me of
when I saw who's my favorite actor of the bald one,
Oh Corey Stole on Broadway and he was wearing a
polo and I was rock hard the entire time. There
is something about I mean, it definitely makes you like beefy.
But then the little like square design, yeah, is really working,

(16:20):
and there's almost something. It's so tight that the collar
is actually like ripping, like your neck is actually ripping
open the collar.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
No.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
I got this polo and another polo from a friend
like eight years ago, and I've always been on the
fence about it. And this year I've started wearing this
one and been like, you know what. This is really
working for me.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
It's so rare that a polo strikes the exact right
balance between classic and cool.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, because it's actually to do.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
It's tough, and I've always thought the only solution is
to only wear black polo because honestly, if you wear
any other color, you look country club. If you try
to wear like canary yellow, it's over.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah, and lord knows, I've tried. And also I i'm
you know, I'm because it looks, especially with my normal
guy coated haircut, like there's something a little bit I'm
on the edge of normal in a scary way. So
I'm wearing like, you know, big jean shorts with it
or and I was scared that, you know, in the

(17:23):
waist up landscape of a podcast, I was worried that
no one would understand that I had wink.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
No, I the wink is coming through in a big way.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Wow, that's huge. Speaking of being horny, I have a question, Yes,
I have a question that pertaining two weddings. Okay, where
does sexuality exist in a wedding as someone getting married? Totally,
Because when you're a child hearing about weddings, you're like,
oh my god, I bet they're gonna fuck And oh.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
You mean the couple is gonna fuck like after the wedding.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, And now I'm like I can't think of like
in my mind, a wedding is like a sexless gathering.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Oh interest things. I actually okay, So so this is so,
this is where I stand. I think as a wedding guest,
actually a wedding is really erotic, and I feel like
I have sexual tension with every gay man at a
wedding when I attend a wedding, Like yeah, I was.
I attended my friend April's wedding in Los Angeles and

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Matthew couldn't come because of work, and so I was
like a like a gay guy alone with a hotel
the wedding, staying at our friend Joel's very nice house
by myself better and I was just like, oh, I'm
a main I'm the protagonist and a Netflix and an
inclusive Netflix LGBTQ plus rom com.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
And so I do actually think. I just think being
a gay man at a wedding, there's something so like
can you believe they're letting us do this? Should we
go jerk off? Like there is something about that. I
so so there's that. Then there was of course being
a straight up at a wedding, which like, yes, you
are literally like Adam and Eve, and that's like a
whole other thing. You are both completely sexless. But also

(19:08):
the entire point of the ceremony is for you to
be able to have sex later. Yeah, yeah, which is
its own thing. It's very Christian fine. I will say,
as a gay guy getting married, it is unclear where
my sexuality fits into any of it. Yeah, especially because
there will be gay guys just covorting all around us

(19:31):
that are presumably going to be doing some sort of
mating ritual, mating song there. I'm sure that people will
hook up at or around my wedding, you have to hope.
But I will of course not be a part of that.
Well well it would be, I mean it would be
like the sort of like the logical endpoint of like
Brooklyn gay guye culture is to be like at your

(19:53):
own wedding looking for a third like who are we
taking home with us at our own wedding of the
people we invited?

Speaker 1 (20:02):
I mean, people definitely have done that, yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
And then like we have like having like a couple
fight because I wanted Mark to come exactly.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Well, I don't want to look up Mark, and I
told you that yesterday.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, no, I think to answer your question, we are
staying in a hotel that night, which I think is
sort of sexy.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
It's aerotic.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
But here's the thing. We're getting the hotel suite in
fact in order for our moms and sisters to get
their hair and makeup done there the day of. So
when we return to it, it will have the veil,
it will have the air of a room that was
just used by our literal moms and sisters, and presumably
it'll have some of their clothes still there because they
will be they will have change there, So that subtracts

(20:44):
from the euroticism a little bit. Yeah, but you know,
I have this idea. The day after the wedding is
the US Open Men's Final, and I have this idea
that we'll be like getting room service, watching tennis, and
that'll be like first day of married life.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Sure, sure, that's fun. That's fun, because yeah, I I've
never known what the like as adults. Yeah, what is
expected or even what is for the couple you mean
for the couple and even like what is like? Yeah,
because part of me also wants to you know, wants
to believe in the the the Christian euroticism of it all.

(21:23):
But at the same time, I'm like, yeah, but we're
not that, We're like thirty something gay guys. Right.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Well, I was thinking, like God, just in terms of
like exhaustion levels, Like I'm like, after wedding, after party,
being presumably very drunk, like going back, do people have
the energy to then have like momentous sex to celebrate

(21:49):
their wedding, Because I gotta say, like, it sort of
sounds like it would be a challenge.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
It sounds like it would be hard. It sounds like
it would be well not hard or not hard. Who Yeah,
I think that would be I think, but I think
I would need a conversation beforehand where it's like, hey,
just FYI like, let's not like tonight.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Or is the solutionion to like literally sneak out at
some point between wedding and after party, have sex and
then make your grand re entrance.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, I'd have like sex that morning and be like
this is our sex for the day.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
A quick a quick handy in the bath. Well that's
with your with your groom.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
That's actually huge. That actually would.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Maybe that's it. Yeah, I think literally, Okay, all right,
well that's the thing about I have to say. I'll
say this, there is something very sexless sexless about planning
a wedding because suddenly this person that you are attracted
to and that you are ravenous for is your business partner,

(22:56):
and your business is event planning LLS. It's you know,
Red Roses event Planning LLC. And you wake up every
day and have a business meeting. You both have different
Google docs with lists you're checking did we have we
done this?

Speaker 1 (23:09):
Like?

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Can I check this off?

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Like?

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Did you talk to your mom about that? And it's
not just running a business, it's running a family business
and your mothers are heavily c seed on email.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Oh my god, that sounds tough. And I did.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
There was a period where that like got to me
where I was like I need to and I actually
did get past it, but there was a period I
was like, uh, oh, I need to like get back
to you know, get being in a sexual place.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, and then I did and it was fine, that's good,
that's good. Do you have radical empathy for people who
have gotten married before? Now?

Speaker 2 (23:42):
I mean, honestly, yeah, it's crazy that It's one of
those things. And I remember feeling similarly whenever I would
go through a breakup. You know when you go through
a breakup and it feels so all encompassing, but sadness
is just like truly crushing, where you're like, so, wait,
people are going through this just every day, Like I'm

(24:02):
just walking around and you're meant to just be going
into the office and making food for yourself and you know, chatting,
making small talk, and meanwhile your entire body feels like
it's being crushed by a tractor. Wow, Like that's how
I feel where I'm like this, this is very difficult work.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, well, I mean I guess I do feel that
way about moving as well, where I'm like, stuff, I
can't believe people do this. This is like I wouldn't
wish this on my worst enemy. It's like the most
unnatural thing on planet Earth to like pick up your
stuff and move it to another building. And it's also
just never ending. The errans, the errands, the errans.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
One of the toughest pills to swallow is that the
ethos of adulting was actually really wise.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
No, it's such a bummer because it's true.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Like the idea of I'm adulting. You're adulting so hard
right now, it's like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
You just a trade you also do. It's helpful to
put a phrase to it exactly because you're like, I am,
this isn't me. I'm doing something different, and that thing,
unfortunately is adulting. Okay wait I had one more. Oh okay. Also,
you know how like I feel like when in our twenties,

(25:20):
like straight people doing stand up comedy are always like
so basically everyone I know is getting married and it's
like that type of thing, and I was always eye
rolly at that, and now I'm like, oh, but now
everyone I know is getting married, like literally it is like,
you know, not beating the like delayed adolescents whatever or

(25:42):
whatever it's called Peter Peter Pans and Trump where it's
just like gay people are just like ten years behind.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Like yeah, totally now for your temporality the phrase that
I learned but never looked up. Yeah yeah, yeah, I
totally I completely agree that gay people are ten years behind. However,
there's something actually on the comedic front, you know, as
I'm like sort of wrapping up this or not wrapping up,
but like you know, wrapping up the tour for this

(26:08):
hour and thinking like, oh, what do I want like
my new material to be about. I'm like, wait, this
is a gold mine. Like all these things that have
been considered cliche and straight comedy have not been explored
adequately by gay people. It's true, Like where's there's like
there's no comedy yet about like gay divorce, about like planning.

(26:33):
Well I'm not I'm personally not getting gay divorce, but
I just you know, all these things that are so
cliche for straight people, like it is like gay the
process of having kids, let's say as a gay person,
the like specific like the choreography of a wedding, Like
it's your old mind.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
We're doing the thing that we said at the beginning
where it's like, well it's happening to me, so it's totally.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
It's yeah, no, it's true. It's true.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
I mean there's a part of me that's also like were
they right too? Like were the people that we felt
were hack at twenty seven?

Speaker 2 (27:08):
They were completely right?

Speaker 1 (27:09):
They were right, and we were just like being bitches.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Well it's so funny because we think of them were
like you are being hack and you are being cliche.
And the reason is actually because we just can't relate
to the things they're saying. Yeah, maybe it's a lack
of empathy on our part.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Well, needless to say, Well, it's also.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Like things that we only know theoretically, Like the idea
of like my bitch mother in law is something I
only know as an archetype.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot even I'm finding my I'm
liking comedy that is more grounded these days, and I'm
liking to try to do that. And I really hated
that concept, you know, ten years ago. Yeah, now I'm like, well,
it actually is important to sort of explore what you know,
the daily, daily happenings.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Do you think that maybe that is a response to
all of online videos being colors and sounds. It's almost
like the idea of all comedy has been co opted
by people by like that, basically like the chat GBT
hegemony of like terrible nonsensical content. It used to be
that being nonsensical was like talking heads stopped making sense.

(28:24):
It used to be radical, and now actually TikTok is
all nonsensical bullshit. So the most radical thing you can
do is to do a traditional setup punchline joke about
your mother in law.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
This is so smart. We're having We're like being reactive
to the internet, but in a good way. We're doing activism.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yeah, it's sort of like the return of you know,
it's like how the slow food movement was in response
to fast food. I don't know, I mean, do you
think I mean, I honestly think we might be too
far gone. I hate to say it.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
What do you mean, like as a culture.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Like I just think I almost think that nonsensical TikTok
ethos has taken over so much that I don't know
if you can save it by committing to set up
punchline jokes.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
No, that's true, you know what.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Oh, maybe I'm wrong. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
You know what the beginning of the end was what
Skittle's commercials Taste the Rainbow, because they were always being
so weird, Like remember they got really weird with this,
and I remember being like, this is cool, like a
brand is like in touch with online vibes. And now
I'm like, no, this is actually horrible And I should

(29:32):
have seen that as like the first nail in the coffin. Yeah,
so being weird and being random is beyond canceled.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Beyond canceled.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
How about everyone says how they feel and how they
feel about their mother in law. Okay, wait, I have
another Okay, this is a concept I want to run
by you please. I feel like this summer I've been
seeing a lot of people doing what I've labeled having
a boyfriend off. Oh yeah, totally, where it's like people
that used to date, break up, get new boyfriends and

(30:05):
then post post post these boyfriends.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
The way this is about a specific person we know.
Oh I don't say that, no no, no, no no, no,
it's not. But but ye.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Think I'm thinking this is a general trend. I think
this happens and people are posting their boyfriends like in
a way that is not it is it's competitive, it's yeah,
it's a it's an Olympic sport posting your boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
It's an Olympic sport. And there's also something that even
transcends boyfriend per se, where people just keep discovering new
gay guys like well, I think, don't you like it's
it's literally like someone's story, just like look at this one.
His name is Abe, like it's and it's just like
a new handle you've never heard of, and then suddenly
he's just like part of the group, and we're almost

(30:51):
in the like kind of post modern phase of that.
First all of them it was almost like first all
of them were sort of like normal, and all of
them are like also kind of weird looking.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah, they're all a little weird. There's also like at first
it made it was like linear, like it was like, oh,
they're younger, Like I don't know them because they're younger,
And now it's like, wait, they're the same age, Like
how how are you back from my age in like
exactly in my community and I have not known you
for ten years.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Yeah, there's almost like a lantern flag quality where you're like, oh,
I guess they're everywhere now.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
It's also it's very season two of a sitcom introducing
a new character and everyone has to pretend they've always
been there.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, it's very like Friend of a Housewife, where it's
very clear that this woman was cast by Andy Cohen
and then suddenly you know, it'll be like Bethany Frankel
being like we met in the East Hampton like a
couple of years ago and it was a really good
season and that was the year that I broke my leg,
But then it grew back and then it's just like, Okay.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Are you ever scared? I get scared sometimes that I
will be the new gay guy for someone else and
they think they're living in reality, when like and that
it's their reality.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
I bet you it happened without you realizing in la
like because suddenly you started popping up and people didn't
know you.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Wait, that's so true. I definitely have. It definitely happened.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
I actually distinctly remember when I moved to New York
and I was that guy.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Did you enjoy that that feeling? You know?

Speaker 2 (32:22):
I actually think I should have enjoyed it more. I
think there was a window where I could have really
been I had to say, it's sort of a passed
around whore if I wanted to, but I was sort
of like I wanted to make a good impression and
I wanted to befriend everyone. And then I think later
on I realized, Oh, because I saw how it would

(32:42):
happen when other people would move, I was like, oh damn,
that was me for a good like four months. There
should have taken advantage of that.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, I think people I find it to be an
uncomfortable position because yes, there's excitement, but there's also like hesitation,
like everyone sees you and they're like, do I try?
And I'm like, how about you just treat me normal?

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Yeah, well you're Emily when she moved to Paris.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
I'm literally Emily in Paris. I'm Sam in La.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
I wonder and I have nothing to contribute to this
at the moment, but I am trying to think, like,
do we have any straight culture sort of takeaways from
this summer or even straight related hopes and dreams for
the fall or for this coming academic year, because of
course we go over. We're on an academic schedule, and
our seasons always start in September.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Well, we need summers off.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Can I ask you something please? I think there's been
a gas lighting where we're all meant to think school
has always started in August. But to me, school starts
in September.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Well that's the thing about school. I think it's always
on the border, and that's where it keeps you on
your toes. Sometimes it starts in August, and it starts
in September. This was, you know, moving around America all
the time.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Sometimes would start in August.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
See, because I always thought growing up and I live
in you know, two countries, two states here, like I've
you know, I went to college in California. Everywhere I
ever lived school started in September. But I was always
aware of this mythology that in some places school starts
in August. And I was always like, you, guys, that

(34:17):
can't be real. Summer literally August is summer I have.
But now you're telling me that it's true.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
I've lived both and getting out of school. Also, sometimes
it ends in May, May in June.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Insane school should start in September and end in June.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
It's just clean.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
It's just that's final, and it should be I would say,
like my ideal world, second week of September, after Labor Day.
First week should be a short week.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Well it has to be a short week.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yes, first week has to be a short week. And
then you want to end first week of June.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
I fully agree. I think June fifth is the perfect
day to end in school because those then you get
those five days of misery because you're like, damn, it's
almost there. Wait, I have more news. I'm realizing. I'm
thinking I have to tell you I've done a complete
one eighty on Billie Eilish.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Are you now all in on Billy Iisle, I'm kind
of in on her, okay, and you know what, get
ready for this what I'm all in on Chapel Rowne.
I somehow I think I just needed to not be
part of the onslaught, like I needed to discover her
on my own. And I for whatever reason, I just like,

(35:30):
I mean, it's all the songs everyone has already made hits,
so no one needs me to say that Pink Pony
Club is good. But I just had resisted it for
so long, and I played it a couple of weeks
ago and I was like, oh, yeah, that's going to
go ahead and be a major hit.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Can I ask what finally allowed? Like why you were
able to let yourself listen?

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Here's what it is. Azelia Banks tweeted or posted or
something that Chapel is like the only authentic white pop,
which I don't, you know, agree with, but there was
something about it that really struggle Chord because I was like,
it actually is true that in her sort of midwesternness,

(36:13):
she is like she's like, this is my culture and
she's not trying to be something else in the way
that even you know, some of our favorite women like
a Steph like a Gaga. Yeah, Gaga immediately was like
I want to be Bowie. I want to pretend that
I'm like a downtown diva rather than an NYU freshman,

(36:33):
Like I'm trying all these different hats and I and
of course we celebrate that, and I think it's great
that she has all these personas. But there's something about
Chapel that's like, I am from the Midwest and I
love drag race, and actually that is so authentic, Like
there are so many girls like that, and she just
also happens to be talented and a good songwriter, and

(36:53):
so she can bring that to the you know, to
the foe and I don't know, there was something I also.
I mean, she is undoubtedly so annoying when she's doing
little videos and like yelling at the camera, but that
is also authentic, like that you actually don't have a
right to be annoyed with that, because that is what

(37:14):
a sort of like twenty six year old girl from
Missouri who doesn't know how to deal with fame. He's
gonna be like, Where's Gaga would be like In an
interview with Barbara Walters, I remember this so well. She
was getting interviewed by either da Answer or Barbara Walters.
And she took off her glass sunglasses and she goes,
matter of factly, she's twenty four years old. She goes,

(37:35):
I don't usually take off my sunglasses, but I wanted
to for you. And it's like, girl, have some respect.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah, I do think that Chapel. It's like an It's
very refreshing. It's like a new angle you can finally
be like. Oh. She just like, yeah, she is herself
in a fun way.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
She also is like, I think you have have to
kind of move past the lack of cool, Like she
is a little she's not cool, Like she's not cool
in the way that I don't know a lot of
like Charlie is. She isn't She's not gonna be Charlie.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Well yeah, yeah. She's also sort of a talk about
She's like a reaction to the you know, everyone having
the same Instagram face, everyone having the same everyone copying
the Charlie aesthetic, everyone wanting to be like this like
bad club bitch. And she's like what if. She's like, yeah,
she's the antidote to that.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
Yeah, So so you say, I do love that she
I'm sure this has been addressed, but I love that
her drag persona is just like that, like Alaska's doll
from Drag Race.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
What is her name?

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Little pound Cake?

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Little pound Cake? Again, I'm sure I'm not the person
to say this, but like, it is just funny that
she's like, by the way, I'm a little pound.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Cake, George. I almost feel that, you know, I think
the world deserves an apology from you about Chapel, about Chapel, because, okay, I.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Accept and I'm apologizing.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Okay, Well, you can't just say you are apologizing. You
have to apologize, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
I am deeply sorry to little pound Cake, Chapel, Roane,
all of Chapel, Rone's stands, Sam Taggart, everyone that wrote
to us. I think this girl is very talented, and
I think it's not her fault that her sound is
has such mass appeal that people are being annoying about it.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, it's not her.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
And just like it wasn't Lizzo's.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Fault, well it became Lizo's fault.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
It became Lozo's fault, and that's a different story. Well that,
by the way, Chapel is getting dangerously close to it
becoming her faulty.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Well, I told you she's at Lozzo's Pass. She can
she can go through one way or the other, and
I really hope she goes the right way.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
I hope we get to Lizo's Pass at some point
because I'm let's just say that.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
That's actually a great point. Do you think would you
there's like a would you rather hear of? Like? Would
you rather like remain in obscurity but the people that
love you like really like you and think you're cool?
Or would you rather get extremely popular for five years
and then anyone with taste think you suck?

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Well, here's the third path, which I cannot believe she
has pulled off. Literally, Charlie XX, that's true. It's insane.
How how has she done it to basically completely be
in control of her like old status while also having
the number one album in the summer and literally doing

(40:41):
something as embarrassing as tweeting Kamala is brat.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
It does not matter, No, it doesn't matter well because
she's played the long game. It's been a slow burn
and so long.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
One of our great geniuses.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
She's one of our great geniuses.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Anyway, to answer your question.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
And question, you can't be the third thing.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
You can't be no, I understand, I mean the only
obviously spiritually and esthetically and politically, I would want to,
you know, just be niche. But of course, you know,
my bank account comes into it, and I'm like, I
guess I want to be niche. But then like have
one secret government contract where I can make all my

(41:22):
money like I I want to ghost, right, I guess
what I want is to be niche, niche pop star. Okay, okay,
but I'm writing Beyonce's songs like I'm a I'm a
credited writer on mainstream stuff.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Interesting see that position, Caroline polo check Sure, sure, that's
a good level, that's a tasteful level. Yeah. I feel
like I would actually hate to be a like writer
for someone else for songs.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
I think it would drive me up the wall because
I'd be like, well, that's not theirs. Like if, like
if I wrote a song I had Britney Spears and
it was like a huge hit and I was like
one of for writers on it, I would be like,
I'd be like, actually.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
I wrote that, Like I'm about to blow your mind.
This is your current position is that you are writing
jokes for a more famous comedian with a group of writers,
and then you also have a niche gay podcast. What
do you think?

Speaker 1 (42:21):
I mean, I think you're being really smart, and I
think you're pointing out maybe why I'm having this response interesting,
But I obviously you know money really is a curse.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Money you're telling me, sweetheart.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Money is a little more complicated things that exists. I
look at like so many pop stars and I'm like,
are you are you doing okay? Like when someone like
like I'm curious about like Tanache's bank account, I agree
because I'm like, I know that you're doing well when
it comes to music, but I also know that money
is like one needs a good amount of money to

(42:56):
like shoot a music video, even like I'm like, can
you can you do this? This seems hard?

Speaker 2 (43:02):
So Don Richard, who is was one of the original
members of Danity Kane and has had this like amazing
Pitchfork esque indie career as a real niche artist, like
she was in a song with the Dirty Projectors. She
has like there's a sort of diy element to a
lot of the stuff she does, and her music, vide

(43:23):
and everything, everything is always so carefully done and she
has such critical acclaim but she simply is not listened
to by many people, and the way it keeps me
up at night. I'm like, I'm like, are you paying rent? Like, like,
what is your I need to see your tax returns
and I will happily donate.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Yeah, And I hate I hate thinking. I hate that
I'm concerned with that now. But it is something that
as I've seen the world, I'm like, whoa, this is scary. Everyone,
even if you're famous, you have to pay rent. That's great.
One of the darker things like if you were in
did you say she was in in Danity Kane. Yeah,
if you were in Danny Kane, you should get housing
for free for life, literally, like you have provided a

(44:08):
service to the community and you deserve a home with
a government issue balcony. It is actually.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Crazy that you can be in Dannity Kane and then
like that doesn't matter in terms of your IRA.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
If you are we're in Danny kan you should be
able to walk onto a car dealership and be like,
I'll take that one. And no one's asked you to
like sign anything. You just get to have it. It's
like when if you were in Danny Kane, you should
be like a soldier who was able to like knock
on a door and get to stay in the house when.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
People ask, oh, can I see your ID? Can I
see your credit card? You should be able to just
play the YouTube video for the Damaged music video and
just show it and say, in again, not to quote Alaska,
this video is my ID. Motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
If if you were in the Damaged music video free
food for.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Life, literally, do do you have some bread steaks? Handy?
Damn it. I didn't get the syllables right.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Oh, but you were close. People will get it and
they'll find it endearing. Okay, Damn I'm for some reason
that really ripped me up. I'm ready to go to
war for danity.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Kane, No, I agree, I mean it is I mean
this is just what this is just what the entertainment
industry is like. I mean it just chews you up
and spits you out. Like there actually are not that
many former you know, child actors, one hit wonders whatever,
just like put them all in a government like have
them have their own little tax status. That's like you

(45:32):
gave enough that you should not have to worry about anything.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Yeah, it's tough, it's tough.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Do you think we'll have to cut the part about
boyfriend off.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Not not at all. It could be about truly like
seventeen different people.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Yeah, because that's the intent. Yeah, it's a trend, you.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Got, it is a trend. Don't worry.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Everyone's shut up.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
There is literally no way it will be controversial. But
that said, I'll tell you one thing so you know,
as everyone knows. In June, I had my big George's
Brat moment where I went to one single.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Party, the brat moment that shocked the world, and I
was like, this is my new life.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Like I actually had at that point read this son.
This was humilating. I had read this essay in The
New Yorker about a woman who is in her thirties
that sort of like discovered clubbing and it was like
a really sort of like eye opening thing for her,
and she would like go out all the time, and
she was talking about how she has this like double
life of like during the day she's a serious journalist
and then at night she's like going out doing drugs,

(46:43):
and I was like, I mean the drugs thing aside.
I was just like, wow, that's such an inspiring story
of like you don't have to do everything in the
order that you are expected whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And
so I was really just sort of like, wow, I
guess like I'll just be one of those like cool
CLIs kids in their thirties. And then the way that
immediately I had to go on tour, a plan and

(47:06):
plan a wedding. This has been the least vacation, the
least relaxing summer of my life. I've gone to the
beach twice the entire summer. Yeah, I've never been less
tan on September second than I am today.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
I couldn't agree more this this summer has. It's not
been flop because it's been like productive and yeah that
life needs to be sometimes, but it has been like
I feel like I need like a double summer.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Well, the thing with summer is that, you know, life
has peaks and valleys, or let me say it this way.
There's like there's like climbing and then there's plateauing. Okay,
And in an ideal world, you use the academic you're
to climb so that you can enjoy the plateau and
enjoy the view in the summer. And I think both

(47:56):
you and I, in different ways, had to climb this summer,
and of course, the question becomes, do we become hustle
culture and keep climbing, or do we become you know,
iconoclasts and use the fall as a plateau.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
I think unfortunately. The thing is, this is my thing
about like the week will always be the week, where like,
even if we said we were gonna plateau in the
fall and just have like a chill fall, it's still Monday.
It's gonna be You're gonna be getting emails, You're gonna
have to respond. It's you can't shake yourself from it.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
And people hate to see someone being different. You think
you're gonna get an email and have like a little
out of office response. It's like, sorry, I'm plateauing, Like
I actually didn't. My summer was really busy, and so
I'm plateauing this fall. But definitely email me back around
Thanksgiving and I might get back to you.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Yeah, that's what I'm free. Oh oh oh about summer plateauing. Damn,
I hat's something. Oh no, hm, whatever, it's gone ever whatever,
who cares?

Speaker 2 (49:05):
This is my favorite episode we've ever recorded. Yeah, I'm
just like I sort of think this is what it's
all about.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
No, I agree. I think I'm sick of I think
I think premises are out. I think research is out.
I think I think naturalism is in.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Mmmmm, okay, you're I mean that's also a sort of
post Marvel, post Disney.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Yeah, well, right now, we're doing the podcast about you know,
the woman coming through a divorce. We are the podcast version,
we are the podcast.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
We're mumble posts doing mumble core. It's like one of
us is, uh, getting married, and one of us is,
you know, kind of going through the trials and tribulations
of being a upwardly mobile urban night or after an

(50:02):
early adulthood spent in the dret in the trenches of
alternative culture. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Do you think I have this weird thing? I think
age is confusing me again. Where I was sort of like, oh, everyone,
everyone is everything, Like a forty year old can look
like whatever, a thirty year old can look like whatever.
And now I'm sort of like looking around and I'm like, wait,

(50:30):
that's not true. I'm starting to feel like like I'm
feeling age shame again in a way that I hadn't
I had thought. And I was also sort of like, oh, well,
like what's there to feel shame about? Like I have
this job and I'm like, you know, people in comedy
know me, and I'm like doing well. And then I'm like,
but now I'm starting to compare myself to people that

(50:50):
are like doing much better, who are much younger, and
I'm like, oh, I'm a loser, I'm a failure, I'm
a flop. I should have been blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah. Yeah, and so it was confusing to me.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
I was looking up. There's this tweet that I read
once from Caitlin Phillips that stop me dead in my tracks,
and I returned to it often, which is that I
think she had just turned thirty, and she wrote, the
only thing I've noticed in my thirties is how suddenly
all these people who previously seemed fine suddenly strike me
as doomed. And I was like, holy, like that is

(51:27):
so true.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Yeah, that is sick.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
It's just it's like this switch that happens where everyone
is like running around and like we're all in community,
and then there's this suddenly it's almost like musical chairs,
where like everyone sits on a chair and everyone's like,
oh up, sorry, there's no chair for you, and then
that person just like poof disappears.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Yeah. I think one of the smartest things that you
ever did, George is never identify as young like you
were always like I want to be older than I am,
because identifying as young, I think I did it. Of course,
I think so many people do it. It's hard not
to do because you're like, oh, well this, I have
this thing, I'm youthful and everyone loves that about me.
And then you're like, you turn thirty and you're like, wait,

(52:09):
I don't I can't like as solidly identify as youthful
and it is then it's like, well then what am
I Yeah, totally, And I think like the best thing
to do is to sort of be like, I don't
identify as youthful or old because I also hate people
are like, I'm so old, I'm thirty, I'm old.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Well, you know, as Meryl Streep said in the interview
of hers that I recently listened to on Fresh Air
that they are replaying as part of their Hollywood Great series.
Because she was never deemed fuckable as a young actress,
she never had to shed that and therefore have to
deal with the growing pains of like reinventing herself as
a non fuckable older actress. Yeah, this is her words,

(52:51):
so don't she said that. Yeah, she was like, it
was easier for me to like age and to not
I mean, you know, of this is sort of her
own humility. Obviously, the reason MARYL. Streep did not have
a hard time is because she's Meryl Streep. That's like
a different thing. But in her mind, she's like, because
I was never like the young Angeneu, I was never like,

(53:12):
my main thing wasn't that I was fuckable. It was
easier to then be like, oh suddenly and forty suddenly
and forty five, because I'm just like an older version
of what I always was. Sure sure, whereas if I'm
like Emily Redachowski, I'm sorry, but like, she's not going
to play the Iron Lady, although I would love it
if she did. What if she did, I would love
it if they remade The Iron Ladies during Emata.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
That would be so amazing. So it's not even about
that's an interesting It's not about identifying as young. It's
about identifying as fuckable. And I think you know, but
I actually.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Think you have known securities about your fuckibility. I think
it really is just about age.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Yeah, you're right. No, you're right. Unfortunately thought about fuckability
at all. I understand what she's saying.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
I was using as a metaphor, like I don't think.
I don't think. I wasn't using it like literally, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Like no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
But it her fuck ability was the youth for her.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Yeah, So in the same way that she never identified
as fuckable, I never identified as young. That was my
That was the connection.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
That makes a lot of sense. That makes a lot
of sense.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
That said, I think she was actually gorgeous when she
was younger.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Of course, I think many people would suck her.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
I agree, and many people did. Yeah, are you gonna
watch that movie where Glenn Close gets exercised?

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Oh my god, do I have to?

Speaker 2 (54:36):
I don't know, I haven't. I It goes back to
our thing, and this is you know, gay and stray culture.
It goes back to this dangerous place where camp is now,
where it has become so democratized that it has left
the hands of just gay people. Yeah, you're having fully
suburban moms who vote Republican being like that is so camp.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
But they're also right, Like they're right.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
I think, by the way, who's more camp than a
suburban mom putting a Republican.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
It. I mean, I think because streaming has made everything
so mediocre that camp is more fun than something just boring,
and so they're like, you know, they're desperate for some excitement.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
I mean, it's shamal On effect.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
It's the Night Shamalan effect.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
It's like at least literally is. Yes, Like it used
to be that M. Night Shyamalan's movies were embarrassing because
we would compare them to you know, The Godfather, But
now we're comparing them to you know, The Kissing Booth three,
So obviously they're better.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
They're obviously better. It's do you think M. Night Shyamalan
is more Lizzo or Caroline Politic?

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Oh that's interesting. That's really interesting.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Because there's also a world in which M Night Shyamalan,
to me, there's something it's not quite this, but he's
almost Charlie XCX, where he just it doesn't really matter
what you think, He's just got to keep going.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Yes, he's definitely more Charlie xx than either are the
other two options. The only reason I'm considering it is
because he also has this other element, which is early,
genuine critical success, like Sixth Sense was like Oscar's Oscars Oscar. Yeah,
so I'm trying to think if there's anyone like that
in the music industry. I mean, dare I say he's no.

(56:27):
I was about to say a Katy Perry figure, but
that's not true because people don't hate him now. People
still like him. He's just like sort of been reclaimed
as camp.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
But they did hate him for like that, they did
hate him. I think Katy Perry, but he's ahead of her.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
He's ahead of her. That's exactly true. Katy Perry is
currently and her Lady in the Water era, which I
hate to say it has lasted too long for comfort.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
That lady is stuck in the damn water.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
That lady is literally get me out of here, but
the river is frozen on top of her, and she's like,
get me out, and her muffled screams like whoa, and
she's she's literally like it's a lady's world and you're
lucky to be living in it. And so I think,
you know, she's she's in the village Lady in the Water.

(57:09):
The Last Airbender his biggest flop of all.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Yeah, And I unfortunately think this new album whatever it's
called five secs five six seven nine three oh one
is gonna also remain lady in the water, firmly in
the water. She's drowning.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
She she's wet.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
And then I think maybe next album we're thinking a
split starring James mckaboy.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Yeah, I'm thinking her head's coming out of the water
a bit. Maybe she's starting to towel off that hair.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
You gotta hope it's talk about someone that just you've
never seen this many mistakes in a row in a
way that, yeah, is shocking.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
I did that tweet I sent you that was like
her art is her failure, Like it is all about
she's like finding creative new ways to fail, and there
is something almost joyous in it, like it's just like
what else could she possibly do? Now that said, I've
been listening to what is it called Lifetimes. This is

(58:11):
my big hot take is that I'm actually sort of
obsessed with the second single off of five six seven Lifetimes.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
You can never put you in a box, you know,
Well that's how I am. He loves Lifetimes, folks. I
heard that song and I feel was like, this is
this was made for and by Instagram. Yes, it was.
It's so algorithm based and it just like feels like
a filter. But in the way where I was like,

(58:41):
this is the lane that she should be in. She
shouldn't be trying to be Charlie XCX. She's she's an
Instagram chica now and that's good.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Yeah. I mean the thing with the Charlie XX thing
is we predicted she would try to be Charlie xx
because of her visuals, but in fact she never did. No,
is she actually women's world is like beyond you know,
Megan Trainer.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Damn that hurts. Sorry, No, you're right, You're right. So
I okay, since you've been resisting the pop girls like
the chapel Rone thing, now that you like her, Yeah,
are you is this like the floodgates are open and
you're open to all of them now? Or is it
like she was the one that got through? Like are

(59:25):
you gonna hear this Carpenter or no?

Speaker 2 (59:28):
I don't know, but okay, here's my answer. Okay, because
I climbed rather than plateau in the summer, that meant
I was not welcoming in pop music because pop music
is for plateauing, not climbing. Yeah, So The question, of course, becomes,
if I plateau in the fall, will I now go

(59:51):
into a period where I'm welcoming pop girls into my life.
Maybe I'm going to have a Sabrina Carpenter fall because
I had to spend the summer climb.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
I think that would be really nice, So I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Think maybe that'll happen. Everyone's loving the Sabrina Carpenter is
am I correct, You're correct. Do we think it's coming
from an authentic place or do we think they wrote
really good songs for her?

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
I think it's an authentic place. I think even if
the songs were written for her, I don't know what
the process is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
I don't know if she's I mean, surely, yes, songs
are written for everyone. I'm not naive, But I just mean, like,
does it is she connecting with the good music or
is it more of like a Camela like Abeo situation.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
I think she's connecting. I think she's connecting. There's something
about her that, even like it feels unique. She has
a perspective that she's putting out there that is like
feels a little bit it's sort of the opposite of
Chapel and what we were saying. But it's like very
much just like what if, Like what if I'm like
kind of a like bitch, Like what if I'm like

(01:00:55):
and not in like a like like Charlie XCX cool bitch.
Like what about like like bad to like female friends?
Like what if I'm like horny and bad like and
I'm like, thank you? Also like she actually feels like
she has sex like so many pop girls talk about
sex and like you don't have sex and her she
has sex like Taylor Swift. I understand that logically she

(01:01:17):
has had sex, but it doesn't feel like it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Yeah, and maybe she hasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Then maybe she hasn't. I mean, let's start that rumors.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
I don't know is Taylor Swift Ace. I mean, I
think I'm just asking questions. I'm certainly not claiming she is.
But it's been just even Sam's Mike just fully fell.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
That's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Oh no, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
God, hold on, hold on, Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
They're wheeling us away Season five ends.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Now it's fixed. I've got it, but thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Keep that in.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
It just goes to show you everything collapse at any
given moment. Well, things fall apart, things literally all apart.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
The senator, hold, I love that that happened. That was
so raw. Yeah, okay, so I I yeah, I think
all right, So well I will.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
I will think about it. I will think about potentially listening.
I will say I it came across my desk that
Jenna Ortiga was in one of her videos, and I
want to say, Jenna Ortega gets the Georgia Award for
that girl's got a good head on her shoulders.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Hmm, that girl's got a good head on her shoulders award. Well,
des her.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
I was listening to her on some interview podcasts and
I said, oh, you're a deep thinker. I don't know you're.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Addicted to listening to celebrities on interview podcasts.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Yeah, this is something I'm like.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Is this part of the climb?

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Oh no, this is sort of like kind of has
always been a big part of my life interesting and
in a kind of embarrassing way because it actually is
so useless to be to listen to celebrities speak. But
like I when I was a kid, I like loved
talk show. Was like that was actually something that got
me into comedy, was being like like watching you know
whatever like Letterman or whoever else, like interviewed celebrities huh.

(01:03:10):
And also part of my obsession with Joan Rivers was
that she got so close to getting her own and
then it sort of didn't work out right right, right,
But but no, Jenna, I was very you know, she
has that child actor thing where it really is sink
or swim, and if you are one of the ones
that survived, suddenly you're like a Nobel laureate.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Yeah. Yeah, being a child star creates a binary Yeah,
and honestly sometimes you love why about drag Race too? Totally?

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
No, You're absolutely right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
If you're on drag Race, you can like really become
like a full star or you will perish.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
I mean it really so much of I think, you know,
fame has been democratized in this way where like suddenly
everyone is hawk to a Girl, And I think the
number if you're gonna go down that road and if
you are trying to be a quote unquote creator in
any way, the number one quality is remaining cool under pressure.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
You know. I think hawk to a Girl should have
to become a member of Danny Kane.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
No, please take that back.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
No, I don't take it back. I stand by.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
I think hawk to a Girl should be in danity Kane.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Yes, because I think if she wants to be famous,
she's got to pay her due. She can't just be
hawk to a Girl. She's got to be in Danny Kane. No,
she has she has to serve our country and being
Danny Kane.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Okay, But but here's the thing. What you're saying is
what people try to do. It's like the natural order
of things is like you become hawk to a Girl
and then you're like, Okay, I have like a month
to release a single or have a cameo in a
sitcom or something.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
George, I had not even considered that hawk to a
Girl could release a solo single, and now I'm like, wait,
I need Hawktas.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
But do you think that is more likely than her
joining the defunct girl group Danny Kane.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Look, I of course think it's more likely, but I'm
not I'm engaging in a different style of thinking. Sure
where Danny Kane. It's if you're gonna be famous, you
have to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Serve yes, No, no, no, I understand. I get what you're saying.
And I do think that is what takes it from
movie quote to actual mainstream culture or something.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Yeah, because right now she's whether she wants to be
or not. She is in the pipeline, and I think
to ethically be in the pipeline, she's got to join
Danny Kane alongside Demurror Girl, and who else would be
in Danny Kane? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Who else? Who else is going to be in Danity Kane.
This is actually like where your head's at because I
think if we sort of killed multiple birds with one stone,
Let's pick all the viral girls from the last six months,
put them in a girl group, and if the girl
group flops, they're all gone.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Yeah, penalty six five blue eyes. She's in Danny Kane.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
And I actually think we should do that every financial
quarter because it's nice to We have to like group
them see if, you know, if any of them is
gonna pop off, and if not, we got to move
on to the next because there's too much content out
there for us to be doing this individually for each person.
It's true, I would even be, you know, okay, participating
in that. And you know, put the two of us
in a in a girl group with a bunch of

(01:06:22):
other gay comedians. We have podcasts. Let's see if we
can make it work.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
I'm actually not opposed at all I think if I
could serve my country and be in Tannity Kane with
a fellow gay podcasters, I would be so happy. I mean,
essentially we already are.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
No, it's true, we are. I had a sort of
you know, I was so uninterested in talk to a girl,
and then I was talking to my friend Jenna, and
she was like, did you know she's Jewish? And then
suddenly I was like, oh, suddenly she has Like I
was like suddenly interested. I was like, wait, this girl,
this random girl whose whole thing is being like this,
like all American Tennessee or wherever she's from. Like that

(01:07:01):
adds another layer of intrigue to me. Tell me more.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
No, I'm very I think she is someone that you know,
we actually talked about her on our last the season finale.
I know, I remember, so it's funny to start talking
about her again. But there's something about her lasting power
where it's like so offensive. She's like the fame that
she has is so offensive that it's so addicting to

(01:07:25):
think about and talk about, and it's I can't stop.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
It's one of those stories that breaks through. It's like
reality breaking. Yeah, Like you're like, this feels like a
sign that we that the world might end sooner than
we thought.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
And it's like you can't not see it from a
zoomed out lens like it. I think everyone enjoying it
is enjoying it from a place of like what is
going on?

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Mm hmm yeah, no, no, you're absolutely right, and like
there is not a single person that is earnestly a fan,
like someone who's like, oh I love it. I love
that hok to a girl.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
I loved when you were made them Southern. I love
that hawk to a girl.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
That is a great character. It's just like a Southern
person who earnestly loves hok to a girl. I love
that hawk.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Love that hawk Tua.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Now that hawk to a girl. That's a star. I
love that hawk to a girl.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
She should have president.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Oh my god, I'm proud of us for not mentioning
anything about the all the various presidential candidates this entire episode.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Yeah, we don't support that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
We don't support that anymore. There was a little there
was a little you know, a few weeks there where
we were like, sure, we'll dip our toes into political commentary.
That's over, that's over. No, I did the interview killed
the CNN interview. I said, that is enough out of you.
I will see you on election day. Until then, I
don't want to hear it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
I will say the only benefits of the two party
system is that you can kind of check out period
where you're like, Okay, those are the candidates. I guess
I know who I'm voting for. It now I can
sort of check out.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Yeah, I mean, unless you know, if you're in Pennsylvania,
go get up there and do some canvassing. But I
don't know what you want me to do here. I'm
in Brooklyn and.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
I live in fucking California. Okay, fucking California.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
No, we know it's important, and don't write in.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
Yeah, everything we say is a joke.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Duh, that's an You think we actually want to talk
to a girl to join Dannity Kane? Girl?

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
The fuck up? Do you think there's actually a place
called Lizzo's Pass? There's not. We made that up. There's
people out there with a damn map looking for Lizzo's Pass.
It's a concept. Can I tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Something else about my my sort of this weird place
I am between climbing and plateauing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
Uh, huh.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
I have been just watching random streaming shows. I am
on episode seven of The de Cameron where Zasha Mammett
plays a Venetian woman who is a huge bitch during
the Bubonic Plague. This is a show that is on Netflix,
and it I.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Never heard this in my life. You're literally working the story.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Yes, Zasha Manmitt Shashana Shapiro is playing a Venetian woman
who like is desperate to get married because of like
class reasons. And it's set during the bubonic plague, so
people keep like getting the plague. And guess who else
is in it? Tony Hale Oh, and a comedic role
it is. I would say, what's that? You know, famous

(01:10:25):
costume drama Netflix that everyone loves Shonda Rhimes. No Bridgerton.
It's sort of like Bridgerton vibes in the sense that
it's like a period drama but has wink Yeah. And
episode seven of that episode three of the Vince von
Apple TV show where he plays a a detective in

(01:10:47):
Florida and the keys that has been fired. Uh huh,
and now he's sort of like clying his way back
loving it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Can I ask why why you're watching these things?

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
I don't know, honestly, I think something you know, as
a famous cinophile, I hate to say this, but something
broken me and I like really have not been able
to watch a lot of movies in the last few
weeks and months. Yeah, and I was like, at the
very least, I want something new, Like I can't just

(01:11:22):
watch Rest Development for the sixteenth time.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
And I think, and by the way, I think this
is the this is the thought process that a lot
of Americans go through which causes them to watch Netflix content.
It's this thing. It's like, I can't commit to something
that's actually high quality, but I also don't want to
just you know, stare at a wall. So I guess
I might as well watch the de Camerons staring zash Mamma.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
The de Cameron. I've never heard that word.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
I don't know. It's weird, it's weird. I'm in my
middle brow period.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Cool. Yeah, I guess I'm sort of in a not
consuming anything period totally. I guess I'm consuming couples therapy, music, music.
I'm I actually have pop music, couples therapy, yeah, and Survivor.
That's all I watch.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
Hmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Yeah. In my big fat Greek wedding apparently, of course
what you hate it? It did. I'm glad I watched
it to prepare.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Like I was, like, I love the idea that you're
watching it to prepare.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
I was, yeah, you know, yeah, I'm I'm I'm expecting
I'm demanding some some Greek isms.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
There is gonna be some Greek isms. I mean, unfortunately
there's you know, because it's far away. I you know,
I think the total number of people from Greece are
it's like ten people. Like, it's not gonna be this
like huge Greek celebration, but they're gonna more than you know,
carry their weight. Is that the expression?

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Okay, that works? Okay, no, what is it?

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
Weight?

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
They're gonna pull their weight.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
They're gonna pull their weight.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
They're gonna make a splash if I can better.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Yeah, they're better. I was told I was getting the
Greek experience.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
No, you'll get the Greek experience. You'll get the Greek experience.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
All right, should we like wrap up?

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Yeah? I think we sound no, you know what it
is is. I'm I really loved that. In our season finale,
we did sort of a little planning and did a
fun episode that was like conceptual. Remember we had topics
and we went back and forth, and there's a part

(01:13:40):
of me that's like, on the one hand, I love
how loose Thiss was and I'm upset and I think
it's like exactly what we need to usher in Plateau
Girl Fall. But I don't. But you know, I don't
want anyone to think like, oh, they're coasting, because we're not.
We have amazing guests planned. This is gonna be the
best than ever and straight Owip has never been stronger. Yes,

(01:14:04):
State of the Union, State of the Union.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
We are. Our defenses are up higher than they've ever been.
We have the strongest Danity Kane in the globe. We
are ready to fucking kill it this season.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Don't you feel like I do feel a bit like
the podcast is in it's like adult like I feel
in control in a nice way. Yeah, I don't feel
like we have something to prove and I actually feel
confident being like this is what we are, this is
what we're not. I'm gonna say no to this. I
want to say yes to this. We'll see you at
Madison Square Garden.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
Yeah. Can we perform Madison Square Garden? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
I would love that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
I know that would be so fun. You know, a
venue like that has a green room that you can
get lost in.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
I can't wait for another season.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Me too.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
I really am so excited.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
Yeah, and I think it's nice that we loose and.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
No, no, I completely agree. I completely agree. I'm actually
I almost feel guilty about how much I loved it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
I think it's kind of cool. As you know, I'm
how long Gone pilled?

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
And yes, so you're loving how long Gone.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
I'm I am, And so I'm sort of like, yeah,
it's fun to be a.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Little uh just shoot the shit.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Yeah, because I actually like, I'm in theory. I would,
I would. It's not what I should like. But yet
I'm listening and I'm like, yep, this is great.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
You know, everyone thinks they can do a chat show,
and it actually to do it well is very difficult.
By the way, at some point we're gonna have to
talk about call her daddy girl.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
Oh god, I have not listened to that one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Well, obviously saying but I just the fact that she
has become our generations Howard Stern is something that needs
commenting on. I haven't decided where I stand, but she
literally is our generations Howard Stern.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
I hate when I find out I'm in a bubble.
The moment I think I'm not in a bubble, it
is revealed that I'm in a bubble?

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Do you not find Did you not know she was
that successful?

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
I had no idea she was that successful.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
She is legitimately the person people go to do interview
to do like candid interviews with. I mean, that's why
Orna went on it. Orna was on it, Orna was on.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
It twice twice.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
And she does this like, you know, she sort of
makes people comfortable, celebrities will reveal things there. She is
insanely successful, Like they just renewed her contract and it
was like millions and millions of dollars. She's literally Howard's
Stern fuck. And I've always been like, I don't know,
I've never really committed to listening, but I've always been

(01:16:41):
like her, you know, sort of arrested development vibes her.
And now I'm like, I guess the train has left
the station, and if you're not on it, you're getting
run over.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
This this is weird, isn't it weird that podcasting can
be so big? Yeah, we're being weird. Okay, now we're
being too loose.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
It's weird the podcasting can be so big and that
movies can be so small. So put that in your
pipe and smoke it, America.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
One of the more genius things you've ever said.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
All Right, well see you next week.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
Well see you next week. Xoxo.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
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Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
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Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
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Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
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