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On this edition of the show. Spring Hilled, Jack, lizard
Man a Lalla Rona. Do you know what any of
those are maybe you know what all of them are. Well, listen,
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I have connected these things in my mind and I'm
going to explain to you in this show what that
connection is. And these are some of the weirdest stories
that I've come across. Okay, so I'm looking forward to
digging into them, and these are ones that I've I've
really never talked about in depth before. But first, but first,
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I have a very interesting update for you, some really
cool news. So Justin Perry is a good friend of
mine who lives in Texas and he is a manifestation master.
He owns this extremely popular channel on YouTube called You
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Are Creators. So if you just go to YouTube dot
com type in you Are Creators, that will pop up.
He has one point six six million subscribers and eight
hundred and twenty videos and it's just growing every day.
And one of the things about Justin, and by the way,
he has this uh afirmation that he uses all the time,
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and he says it's extremely powerful. He loves coming up
with affirmations that seem very effective for people. So just
on a side note, take a note of this uh
He says, here here you go. Money comes to me
and expected and unexpected ways, and then you repeat that
five times with emotion and conviction. Every day. Here it
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is again, money comes to me in expected and unexpected ways,
five times a day. He says, money you you would
just the abundance will start to shower you. You will
be amazed. So I enjoy sharing that with you. And
he is a very very busy guy. Okay, he's involved
in lots of enterprises. He and his wife have three sons.
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As a matter of fact, one of his sons is
named Joshua. And we were having this conversation about parents
naming their kids Joshua, and I mentioned that, you know,
my mom and dad they to give their kids biblical names,
and so they they admired Joshua from the Bible. And
of course you've heard the song Joshua fit the Battle
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of Jericho, right, and that is it's about this incident
in the Book of Joshua, the first battle fought by
the Israelites in the course of the conquest of Canaan.
And they say that um, the Israelites they marched around
the city walls once a day for six days, and
then seven times on the seventh day, and they blew
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trumpets and the walls, the great mighty walls around the
city just kicked the crack that they came crumbling and
tumbling down. And so that's when the Israelites were able
to go in and uh and take over. And what's
kind of funny is that Lauren pointed out the other
day that there was a Garth Brooks concert in Louisiana.
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This is just days ago, and over one hundred thousand
fans showed up at l s u S Tiger Stadium
and they were dancing and singing so hard that it
actually caused a small earthquake. It literally registered on a seismograph.
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So maybe that's similar to what happened in the Bible,
some kind of a man made earthquake, you know. Tesla
claimed he had sort of an earthquake machine that he
could use. But anyway, aside from being fascinated with manifestation, uh,
Justin is extremely into UFOs and alien contact. He's one
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of the most interested people I've ever met. And as
soon as he heard that I was working with Jason
Saracchi to produce these Vegas UFO skywatches, Justin bought an
airplane ticket and he flew here and we got together
on April the twenty ninth of this year, because it
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was basically the new moon and nice and dark, and
what we do is we can, but we gave him,
you know, this v I P experience. Uh, it was
just him, Jason, myself and my wife Lauren. And when
we do these skywatches with third generation night vision goggles,
we take we take people out into the desert at
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least like thirty maybe thirty minutes from Vegas to get
away from light pollution. And we have different locations we
can pick and choose from, and so we keep them
most of the time confidential. We don't tell people exactly
where we're gonna be. So this first night, okay, well
here the first at the first sight of that night,
let me just tell you what happened. So Justin has
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never used third generation night vision goggles before. And this
technology is so precious that it's it's literally illegal to
allow a non US citizen to look through a pair
of third generation night vision goggles. It's a federal offense.
It's due to what's called I TAR I T, a
arts regulatory for you know, weapons systems and all that.
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But so we you know, we have to make sure
we only allow US citizens to participate, and some people
don't understand that, but we don't have a choice. So anyway, Um,
so we get out there in the field and Jason Saracchi,
of course he has this excellent setup. Uh, He's got
every type of camera you could want, all these different goggles,
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and I mean the weather was ideal, the sky was clear,
I mean it was ah, we just knew we were
going to see something. Well the first thing that happened,
it was kind of really great luck and kind of
bad luck at the same time. And let me explain
what I mean. Okay, so we had, uh, we each
had a pair of third generation night vision goggles. At
this time. Lauren was not around and it was just
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Jason and Justin and myself, the three the three J's
in the field. And because that, okay, then we only
use the finest third generation night vision goggles. He's called
Para Temporal night Vision goggles. And if you want to
learn all about them, and you can watch videos and stuff,
go to Para Temporal dot com p A r A
T E M p O r A L Para Temporal
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dot com and uh, and you can learn why that
we only use them, and a pair of these costs
thousands of dollars. Uh, there are some you can get
that are less expensive, but we are using like the
Crimdala crime. So in order to film through these third
gend goggles, what you do is you take these goggles,
which are ordinarily kind of like just binoculars that you
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would look through, which allow you to see into the
invisible infrared realm. And it's unbelievable because for every star
you can see with your naked eye, you can see
like twenty or thirty through the goggles. I mean, the
sky just explodes and sparkles like diamonds. It's amazing. But
when you get these things, you're you're looking directly through them,
and if you want to record what you're seeing, then
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traditionally what you do is you kind of remove one
of the eye pieces and then you have a after
that you can use to screw on a camera. So
having the camera there is really great because obviously you
can record what the goggles see, but it also kind
of takes away from your experience using the goggles in
real time because you're giving up an eyepiece there and there.
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There's there's something sort of between your face and and
the goggles. So what I'm getting out here is at
this point, Jason he had just gotten his camera hooked
up to his third gen night vision goggles, and Justin
and I didn't have cameras hooked up yet, and I
was just sort of showing him how to use the goggles,
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and he's just going, Wow, this is amazing, you know.
And so at one point I said to um, I okay.
At one point I'm looking up and it was just
like so lucky, was so serendipitous. Justin and I were
looking at the same spot and the guy at the
same time, and we both go WHOA, This big, bright,
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like jagged looking object that seemed very low and close
to us goes darting right over our heads and we're
just screaming. And and of course, poor old Jason, he's
just getting his camera hooked up. He was where is it?
Where is it? And this thing we couldn't have been
there longer than ten seconds before I just shot right
off into space. And so the two guys who saw it,
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Justin myself, we're lucky that we both got to see
that was super lucky. But we didn't have the cameras
on our goggles and the one the one guy who
did Jason, he he wasn't looking in the same spot
at that time, so we didn't get proof of that.
But that sucked. But don't worry. Don't worry, because later
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on something very interesting happened. We ended up seeing quite
a few UFOs at that at that spot, and Jason
got some great footage. But I think the big achievement
of the night was what happened when we decided to
drive an hour to make the light the night longer,
which is something we wouldn't ordinarily do on a SkyWatch
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unless somebody requested that extra time. And um, we we.
We took our little group up north of Las Vegas
on the route to area fifty one, to where I
discovered the so called time warp. So here we are
out there late at night, and it's so dark and
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it's eerily quiet, and we're ready now, Okay, we're prepared now,
and we all saw something and it's on video. Um,
when we come back from this break, I'm gonna tell
you what we saw, and I'm going to play some
audio for you of us reacting to what we were seeing.
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So cool, and then of course after that I'll finally
get into all these weird beings that I've been intrigued
by that may or may not even have a connection
to some of these well aliens, interdimensional beings that I
was spring Hill Jack lizard Man. Anyway, Uh, listen to this.
I've told you before. I just bought a new piece
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wormhole brain from my studio and sends city Las Vegas, Nevada,
where every day is golden and every night is silver,
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And here we were on one of those silver nights
at the time warp. This is the place where in
two thousand eighteen, I made a discovery that went viral,
made international headlines. I used Ron Heath's DT meter, his
differential time rate meter, and discovered this spot on the
side of the road on the way to Area fifty one,
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where I was able to measure time momentarily slowing down,
which at that time mainstream scientists said should not be possible.
But just since then, in the past four years or so,
there have been a lot of advances that are starting
to confirm more and more that time is a little
slippery and lucy guco all over the place. And of
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course then things got even weirder when I found that
later on that this was a paranormal hot spot where
people have been seeing UFOs, having close encounters, experience it
seem missing time. I've talked about it a lot and
once before Jason went out there at night and he
got some kind of a weird light in the desert
in the middle of nowhere. Well here we were back
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there again late at night, perfect conditions, and lo and behold, boom.
Here we have out in the desert pal a light
that appears, and then a second light that appears, and
they're drifting around the desert. And these are not visible
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to the naked eye, exceptcept occasionally you might get a
little hint of a reddish color, but usually they were
not available. And let let me just play the audio,
just part of the audio from you know what what
happened to us? Our reaction when we solve these lights appearing.
You're gonna you're gonna hear I think all of us
in this. I'm talking, Jason's talking, Justin's talking. I think
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even Lauren chimes in at a certain point. So here
you go. This will give you an idea of how
exciting this was for us. There's something down there? What
is down there? Do you see that? Yeah? It's bright
as hell, yo, Justin, come here quickly. Yeah, Lauren, I
don't know what the hell that is. There's two of
them looked over there. Man, they looked for the nike
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and eye you can't see. But look, there's something flash
and it just crossed the field. It's in the same
place it was before. It's about to disappear. So you
look with your naked eye justin there's nothing there. What
the hell is that? It's gone? Oh, this is exactly
where I saw. It's further away. Now do you see
a far just moved? Lauren, are you recording that? Look
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right down the trail. It's gone. Yeah, it just disappeared. Well,
it's I could barely see a little bit. Holy again
up the lights back. It's down there again down the
trail this time it is that. We gotta go down there,
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like I think this warrants a walk. It's gone. It's
there still, it's still there. Now it's gone. What the
hell was that? It's back again. It's way further down
the trail though, way further down back. Look at that. Yeah,
it's it's it's it is bad. Okay, it's bad. Yeah,
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videotaping it's gone again. Yeah, it appears and disappears. Now.
Jason was a brave man that night, and he actually
walked by himself way down that trail to see if
he could get a closer look. Even though there are
mountain lions and coyotes and rattlesnakes and scorpions, they was gone.
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It was gone. If you want to see this footage, though,
if you actually want to see what we're talking about,
John Carter up there in Canada he put these clips together.
All you have to do is go to YouTube and
just do a search for his channel, which is UFOs Worldwide,
and you'll see he's called it two orbs called in
Nevada Desert. Two orbs called in Nevada Desert. And I'll
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try to remember to post a link to that uh
on my Twitter for you as well. But anyway, you
can see how excited we were. As a matter of fact,
Justin said that he had such a great time he's
already planning his next trip back. And so that's why
I don't know how long we're going to make these
things available. Um, but can you imagine what a surprising
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gift that would be for somebody. I mean, like, like,
what's cooler than going out and having experiences like that
with your own eyes. If you want to look into
coming to the area, we'll do our best to work
with you and accommodate your schedule. Just go to Vegas
UFOs dot com. It's also okay to bring uh kids.
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We originally were uncertain about that, but we've decided that
a lot of people in town, you know, they want
to show their kids this stuff, so we're cool with that.
So just go to Vegas UFOs dot com. But we're
not gonna be taking a lot of reservations this year,
so hopefully you'll be able to join us. So listen. Um,
I was thinking about what, you know, what we were
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seeing that night, and what's going on at the time
warp and what kind of beings might be coming here
from other dimensions, and I started my mind started racing
about some of my favorite bizarre, unsolved mysteries, and I thought,
you know, there's some some stuff that I've never really
talked about in depth on this show. Then may have
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something to do with visitors from these other places. And
I promise, I know this sounds like I'm going all
over the place, but I'm going to connect all of
this together for you by the end of the show.
When I was growing up, one of the weirdest beings
that I came across was this character, you know, just
in literature call spring hill Jack. Okay, and I to
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this day I am intrigued with spring Hill Jack because
I don't know what what to make of this thing. Okay,
let me just sort of give you the basic story.
Spring Hill springhilled like, you know, a guy who has
springs on his hills, who can jump really, really far.
He is an entity in English folklore of the Victorian era.
The first claimed sighting of spring Hill Jack was an
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eighteen thirty seven and there are many theories about the
identity of spring Hill Jack. H He inspired a lot
of fiction, and let me try to describe for you
in a nutshell. Spring Hill Jack was this humanoid being
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that kind of looked like the devil. He had horns
and sort of a van Dyke beard, and he often
wore a cape and he would jump out of the
shadows at night and sort of terrorize people. He would
just jump out of the shadows and smack a cop
in the face and then just jump over fences and
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disappear like some kind of kangaroo. Uh. There were some
occasions where he would jump out and sort of you know,
touch women inappropriately, and this became such a problem. I mean,
there were a whole special sections of law enforcement that
spent years trying to figure out is this is this
a being? Is this a man who's dressed up because
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he would do these superhuman things. For example, sometimes he
would breathe fire in people's faces and scorch them. So
you have this guy who could hop incredible distances and
disappear in the shadows. It just comes out and does
nasty means stuff blows fire in your face. I mean,
they say. Everybody said he had a frightful and terrifying appearance.
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He had clawed hands and eyes that resembled red balls
of fire. One report claimed that beneath a black coat cloak,
he wore a helmet and a tight fitting white garment
like an oil skin. But some of the people said
that these flames that he would breathe out were sort
of blue and white, and his claws seemed sort of metallic.
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Could this have been some kind of crazy guy who
was some kind of like diabolical steampunk dude who created
this costume, who was sort of like the evil Batman
who just decided to go around and dormant people. It's
an unsolved mystery. This went on for years, and nobody
knows to this day what spring Hill Jack really was.
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And so look, let me just give you a little
bit more information about uh, like some of the times
where people encountered him. Uh. Jane Aslop was a woman
who reported that on the night of February nineteenth of
eight teen thirty eight, she answered the door of her
father's house to a man claiming to be a police officer,
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who told her to bring a light, claiming, quote, we
have caught spring Heeled Jack here in the lane. And
she brought the person a candle and noticed that he
wore a large cloak, and the moment she handed him
the candle, however, he threw off the cloak. I guess
what he quote presented a most hideous and frightful appearance
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end quote, vomiting blue and white flame from his mouth,
while his eyes resembled red balls of fire. Ms All
Slap also reported that he wore a large helmet. And
she's the one who said that his clothing, which appeared
to be very tight fitting, resembled white oil skin. I'm
not sure exactly what that is, but I can imagine
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without saying a word, he caught hold of her and
began tearing her gown with his claws, which she said,
we're certainly of quote some metallic substance end quote. She
screamed for help and managed to get away from him
and ran toward the house. He caught her on the
steps and tore her neck and arms with his claws.
She was rescued by one of her sisters, after which
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her assailant fled. Okay, Um, there's another case here which
is the case of It's called the Scales case. UM.
Eighteen year old Lucy Skills and her sister were returning
home after visiting their brother, a butcher, who lived in
a respectable part of the area. UM. She told the
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police in her deposition that as she and her sister
were passing along this alleyway called the Green Dragon Alley,
they saw a sort of a person standing at an angle,
and she was walking in front of her sister, and
just as she came up to the person, who was
wearing a large cloak, he quote spurred a quantity of
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blue flame in her face, which deprived her of sight
and so alarmed her that she instantly dropped to the
ground and was seized with violent fits, which continued for
several hours. Um. Okay we're coming up on a break.
We come back, I'll tell you a little bit more
about like this guy, this thing, who or what was he?
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And perhaps some similar beings that we have to be
concerned about historically speaking. I'm Joshua PE Warren. You're listening
to Strange Things on the I Heart Radio and Coast
to Coast DAMN Paranormal Podcast Network, and I will be
right back. Welcome back to Strange Things on the I
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Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
I'm your host, Joshua P. Warren, and this is the
show where the unusual becomes usual. And apparently in a
town called Lincolnshire and the autumn of eighteen sevente spring
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Hill Jack was seen hopping around there and angry mob
supposedly chased him and cornered him, and uh some residents
even fired guns at him to no effect. And as usual,
he was said to a vague use of his leaping
abilities to lose the crowd and jump away into the night,
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disappearing once again. Nobody knows what to make of this.
You know, it's been a fixture and popular popular culture
for a long time. People in London would often equate
his name with that of the Boogeyman the Devil. The
character was written into a number of the Penny Dreadful
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stories during the latter half of the nineteenth century. And
even though I mean, like some people said, this could
have been this rich Irish nobleman, the Marcus of Waterford,
who had a reputation for being mechanically gifted and like
you know, and enjoyed pranking people and had a sinister side,
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a mischievous side. I don't know, We don't know. A
lot of people think, you know, this could be an extraterrestrial,
this could be a superhuman and entrydimensional being that this
could have been some kind of encrypted authors like Lauren
Coleman and Jerome Clark they list spring Hill Jack in
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a category they call fant of them attackers. Another example
of this would be one called the Mad Gasser of
Mattun Phantom attackers. They usually appear to be human, but
maybe perceived as sort of prosaic criminals and display extraordinary abilities.
I don't know, maybe we need to make a movie
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about this. Huh. There you go. I gave somebody a
good idea. But you know what, when you when you
read about this kind of stuff. It reminds me of
cases like one a little closer to where I grew up.
And when I grew up in North Carolina and South Carolina,
we had this being called the lizard man. First reported
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in the nineteen eighties. The lizard man was this, you know,
like seven foot tall reptilian. I think the fair maybe
The first case was in nineteen eight the Sheriff's department
investigated a report of a car damaged overnight torn up
outside Bishopville, South Carolina. Uh, tooth marks and scratches and
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muddy footprints were left behind and uh. Then finally there
was a seventeen year old local named Christopher Davis who
said that lizard man appeared in front of his car
one night as as a green against seven foot tall
thing with three fingers, red eyes, skin like a lizard,
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snake like scales. A bunch of people saw a lizard man,
and this became such a big topic in the local
news that somebody put out, like I think it was
a radio station, put out a one million dollar reward
to anybody who could capture the lizard man alive. And
oh my gosh, that created a ruckus. I mean, talk
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about a bunch of drunk nudes looking for an excuse
to go out into the swamps with their rifles. And
you know, the thing is, this is still it's it's
an unsolved street. But back, like, you know, over ten
years ago, I was working on this television series. I
was a cast member. It was called Paranormal Paparazzi was
on the Travel Channel, and one of the stories that
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I covered was the lizard Man, and I figured that
it was probably just some kind of a prankster, you know.
But here I left with a different attitude. I went
down there and I actually spent time and in the
home of the man who was the sheriff at that time,
Sheriff Trusdale, and he's convinced that it was a real
creature and he had all kinds of evidence that he
showed me and my producer, see Eric Scott, right there
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on camera, and then he offered to take us out
into the swamp and show us where these incidents had happened.
And guess who joined us the current sheriff. So what
we had the current sheriff there of the county, as
well as the former sheriff, uh taking, you know, chaperoning
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me and Eric all around and telling us stories and
introducing us to witness this is it's wild as a
matter as a matter of fact. If you want to
see that segment for free, all you have to do
is go to Joshua P. Warren dot com and there's
a section called TV and Film Work where I give
examples of some of the stuff that I've done on
television over the years. And you'll see that report there.
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And I left there after talking to these witnesses and
seeing these markings thinking like, I believe there was a
real creature here involved in this whole mix. And now
those kind of seem like maybe these are aliens or
interdimensional weirdies of some kind. But this I'm gonna take
a little bit of a twist here again, I'm gonna
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tie all this together. This is usually considered a ghost, okay,
La la la la rona, la rona Okay. In Mexican folklore,
Lalla Rona the weeping woman is a vengeful ghost who
roams waterfront areas mourning her children, whom she drowned. And
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it says here that this story goes back a long way,
but it's primarily I mean, like it's told throughout Mexico
Central America, South America. There are a lot of different versions,
but the typical version is a beautiful woman named Maria.
She marries this rich, you know, rancher type guy. They
have some kids. One day, Maria sees her husband with
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another woman and in a fit of blind rage, she
drowns their kids in a river, which she immediately regrets,
and then she you know, she is consumed by her guilt,
and so she drowns herself as well, but is unable
to enter the afterlife because she's forced to be in
purgatory and roam the earth until she finds her children.
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And this is all throughout many of these again Latin cultures,
as as a cautionary tale and also a way of like,
you know, scaring kids. Nobody is sure exactly where the
story of the weeping female um phantom came from, and
you can read more about different versions of that. But
here's why I wanted to bring this up. When I
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was in Puerto Rico, there was I I lived on
the southwestern coast of Puerto Rico in a town called
Bocron and it was right next to town called Lajas
and La Hassa is where we had the lagoon and Carthagena,
which was a the Ufo Lagoon. A lot of paranormal
stuff was happening around La Haas, and when I was
talking to people about weird stories, I would hear that
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La Lorona uh had inspired some very interesting activity in
the community. And years past, I think, like in the
early nineteen nineties, they said that there was this creek
out there in La Haas where at night people would
see La Lorona and and she's got the white gown on,
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and she's got the long hair, and she's weeping and
shrieking and and I mean, this became such a big
thing that like all the high school kids would go
there and try to see if they could catch a
glimpse of this. And they were, they and they were.
They were seeing this figure and fleeing in a horror
every night. And this went on for a long time
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until finally the truth was revealed. There was this one
gas station that was nearby, and apparently I was told
the guy who owned the gas station he was trying
to drum up business, and so he would put on
a white gown and a wig and he would go
out there and creep down along the banks of this creek.
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At night, you know, and come out and scared a
crap out of people all year long, because everybody who
came out would stop at his gas station and you know,
buy a snack or a drink or a fill up.
So but he finally got busted. Okay, two reasons I'm
I'm connecting all these things together. Number one is and
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each one of these cases there may actually be a
real phenomenon. Okay, we don't know what the original spring
Hill Jack was. We don't know what the original lizard
Man was. We don't know the circumstances of the original
La Lorona, but it became so popular that we can
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feel confident that it did inspire hoaxes to go out
there and take advantage of that and to start, you know,
pranking people and scaring people. And I know that they
think they're doing that all and good fun. But the
problem is people who take advantage of real encounters like
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this and go out and use them for pranks, they
muddy the water for legitimate research. One of the main
reasons so many paranormal phenomena are easily to dismiss is
because you have one person who may go out and
and try to do a copycat, fake thing, and it's
possible that there was a real spring Hill Jack and
then people went out and decided to pretend to be
(36:03):
spring Hill Jack and and and abuse the fear that
people had same thing with lizard Man, etcetera. Was this
a guy in a suit? Eventually we just don't know.
But just because there are a counterfeit dollar bills in
the world, that doesn't mean there are no real ones.
I was watching one of these shows the other day,
but one of these American greed episodes, and they were
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talking about a guy who made a fortune selling fake
vintage wine for millions and millions of dollars. People will
do anything for a buck. So it becomes a big
hall of mirrors when you when you start trying to
sort through these things. But let's ask ourselves a bigger question.
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There is a new story, a new news story from
NASA about a major project, a major endeavor, and they
are going to invite whatever is out there, whatever aliens,
whatever entry dimensionals, whatever being, They're going to invite them
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to come here to planet Earth using a level of
technology that is well, it's it's greater than ever before.
We have better satellite dishes, we have bigger scopes, more
powerful everything. When we come back, I'm gonna tell you
more about that and say, you know, we have to
think it like is this Is this a good idea?
(37:30):
Is it? And then also I have some pretty wild
emails I want to read to you. Um, do we
want more spring Hill? Jack's more lizard Men. I'm Joshua P. Warren.
You're listening to Strange Things on the I Heart Radio
and Coast to Coast and Parinormal Podcast Network. I'll be
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back after these important messages. Welcome back to the final
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segment of this edition of Strange Things Well the I
Heart Radio and Coast to Coast. I am Paranormal Podcast Network.
I am your host, Joshua pe Warren. And remember how
in the book and movie Jurassic Park, the big question was,
you know, just because you can do something scientifically, does
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that mean you should. Well, the New York Post is
saying headline NASA to launch naked pictures of humans to
space and hope of quote attracting aliens end quote. And
they're reporting on a story by Charlotte Edwards and the
Sun and says NASA scientists planned to launch pictures of
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naked humans the depictions will also include an invitation to
respond should an intelligent alien race find the space nudes. Fortunately,
the hypothetical aliens should not be too shocked by the
nudes because the pictures aren't that graphic, but a drawing
of a naked man and a woman next to a
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depiction of DNA. The man and woman are waving and
an attempt to look more inviting. It's part of a
study called the Beacon in the Galaxy, and the main
aim is to send a message to any alien civilizations
out there. They're kind of following up on what the
Arecibo Observatory did in Puerto Rico years ago, and so
(40:00):
right now, um, they're sending up this radio signal. It's
a binary code basically zeros and ones that draws a
very very simple, basic picture with some very very basic
colors from a satellite array in California and then the
big old radio satellite the dish there in China, and uh,
(40:22):
let's see, I'm not sure exactly women they're gonna do this, um,
but they have some other like basic mathematical and physical
concepts that they're encoding in this about gravity um. And
it's it's not that different than what we did with
with the Pioneer plaques that were sent on the nineteen
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seventy two Pioneer ten in nineteen seventy three Pioneer eleven missions.
But those were pictures like like plaques attached to the craft,
and they're so encountering what you'd have to to be
much much luckier to encounter one of those than to
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pick up this signal that we're sending out there right now. Now, Look,
I have done my share of inviting aliens to come
and visit us, so I am nobody to criticize a
mission like this. But look, I realized there are people
out there who say, I'm being naive. You don't know
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what you're doing. You don't want this, you don't want
more lizard men, you don't want more spring hill jacks.
We these are the types of beings that we're going
to attract. I don't know. I guess I'm too curious,
and the curiosity kills the kid. I just say, all right,
let's do it, let's get this over with before I die.
(41:49):
I'd like to see what's out there. That's just me.
So I'm okay with it, But I don't know, are
you okay let's move von to some listener oriented stuff
before we have to go. Uh. Let me remind you now,
this might be the last time you hear about this
if you live near Alexandria, Virginia. Jim Kalanna, the composer,
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is going to be debuting his composition called Joshua's Shop
and Miracles. Excuse me, Joshua's Shop of Miracles and Curiosities.
The world premier there will be on May twenty two,
two at two pm, performed by the American Youth phil
Harmonic at the Rachel M. Schlessinger Concert Hall and Arts Center.
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And if you want to get a ticket to that,
it's uh, they're very affordable. I'm sure. Just go to
Jim Kalanna dot com. J I M c O l
O n n A. I am honored that he has
composed a piece of music like this based upon my work.
J I M C O l O N n A.
And if you go there and listened to it, hey,
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give me your feedback. I'd love to hear about it.
I wish I could be there, but I already have
a trip planned and I'll be telling you more about
that my my crazy travel schedule in the near future. Okay,
so let's go to some emails. Here. We have one
from Crystal in California, and she says in the subject lying,
(43:23):
the Miraculous prayer Board strikes again. I had some unfortunate
circumstances happened that knocked my finances way down. And then
I had three bills do and there was not even
enough money in the bank to do the minimum payments.
And this was the first for me. My stress was
for the roof many exclamation points. I scraped from everywhere
(43:46):
and put everything in my bill paying account, and it
was still short. I was so stressed, I was getting
a migraine. And then I remember it. I haven't used
the Miraculous prayer Board in a long time, so I
got it right away and wished to have these bills
paid and some money left over because I need some
more food too. And the next day, still looking for
a solution, I checked my bank account again and I
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was stunned. My Etsy shop had deposited I don't want
to say how much, but blank amount of money. She says,
My shops are not due to make any deposits. And
I went to both of my shops and neither one
says they made a deposits and yet there it is,
and my bills and food are covered. L O L.
(44:31):
I have never been so happy about a deposit in
my life. The Miraculous Prayer Board is amazing. Many exclamation points. Well,
I'm so happy to hear that, Crystal, And um, at
some point, if you'd like, I can tell people how
to visit your Etsy shop. But I don't want to
do that without your explicit permission. But that's cool. If
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you are interested in experimenting like Crystal is doing, just
go to Joshua pe Warren dot job and click the
link to the Curiosity Shop and you can read about
the Miraculous Prayer Board. It comes with a money back guarantee,
but you know what, nobody ever asks for it. Okay,
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And here is an email I got from a man
named Ronald, and he says, um, have you say? He goes,
what is your opinion on the s l S cameras
that some paranormal investigators use on TV? Are they truly
mapping entities? And have you ever used one? I love
(45:36):
your show, keep up the great content. Uh well, thank
you very much for that, Ronald. And Okay, So for
people who may not be familiar sometimes you're watching a
ghost hunting show and they have a camera that UM
has a piece of software. They're the kind of latches
onto uh data points in our room and connects the
(45:58):
dots and forms kind of stick figure that looks very humanoid.
And it's pretty compelling to see that, UM, And I
know that it was sort of invented for the video
gaming industry so that you could move in your living
room or whatever, and a little camera would be able
to pick up your movements and interpret them and uh
(46:21):
create an action for your avatar in the game. And
I'm sure they're used in Hollywood for special effects. So anyway, UM,
I wrote him back and I said, you know, I
have toyed with these SLS cameras and that type of software.
But here is the problem. The tech is created biased. Now,
(46:45):
I know that sounds weird. You don't think of technology
as being biased necessarily, But I went on to say,
the software is predisposed to look for human shapes, and
so it struggles to turn almost anything into a human shape. Now,
this is a conundrum because the camera maybe picking up
(47:07):
a real phantom, or it may simply be trying to
find something human like. So and many ways. It just
mimics the human brains, perceptions and biases. You know. It's
kind of like electronic paradoia, so I said in a nutshell,
(47:30):
it's it's fascinating. Before it to be credible, i'd want
to see multiple SLS cameras, at least three capture the
same figure from three different angles. That now, that would
be interesting. That that that would be impressive. Uh. Anytime
(47:50):
you're looking at something from one particular point of view,
then it's much much easier to just h have you know,
shadows and reflections and parptical illusions and effects that can create.
You know, I get the connection of the dots, but yeah,
different angles, that would be cool. Okay, we're almost out
of time here, and it's pretty soon I'm going to
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be asking you to go on my social media and
to send me questions about anything you want. It doesn't
even have to be paranormal necessarily. Uh. And I am
going to do oh at least a show where to
where I just sit down and answer your questions. That's
(48:34):
gonna go in any direction, I'm sure, so stay tuned
for that. All right, it is now time for you
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At each week on this show, I'll do you bring
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weird experiments you can do at home, and a lot more.
On this edition of the show. Spring Hilled, Jack, lizard
Man a Lalla Rona. Do you know what any of
those are maybe you know what all of them are. Well, listen,
(01:56):
I have connected these things in my mind and I'm
going to explain to you in this show what that
connection is. And these are some of the weirdest stories
that I've come across. Okay, so I'm looking forward to
digging into them, and these are ones that I've I've
really never talked about in depth before. But first, but first,
(02:19):
I have a very interesting update for you, some really
cool news. So Justin Perry is a good friend of
mine who lives in Texas and he is a manifestation master.
He owns this extremely popular channel on YouTube called You
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Are Creators. So if you just go to YouTube dot
com type in you Are Creators, that will pop up.
He has one point six six million subscribers and eight
hundred and twenty videos and it's just growing every day.
And one of the things about Justin, and by the way,
he has this uh afirmation that he uses all the time,
(03:02):
and he says it's extremely powerful. He loves coming up
with affirmations that seem very effective for people. So just
on a side note, take a note of this uh
He says, here here you go. Money comes to me
and expected and unexpected ways, and then you repeat that
five times with emotion and conviction. Every day. Here it
(03:23):
is again, money comes to me in expected and unexpected ways,
five times a day. He says, money you you would
just the abundance will start to shower you. You will
be amazed. So I enjoy sharing that with you. And
he is a very very busy guy. Okay, he's involved
in lots of enterprises. He and his wife have three sons.
(03:48):
As a matter of fact, one of his sons is
named Joshua. And we were having this conversation about parents
naming their kids Joshua, and I mentioned that, you know,
my mom and dad they to give their kids biblical names,
and so they they admired Joshua from the Bible. And
of course you've heard the song Joshua fit the Battle
(04:08):
of Jericho, right, and that is it's about this incident
in the Book of Joshua, the first battle fought by
the Israelites in the course of the conquest of Canaan.
And they say that um, the Israelites they marched around
the city walls once a day for six days, and
then seven times on the seventh day, and they blew
(04:29):
trumpets and the walls, the great mighty walls around the
city just kicked the crack that they came crumbling and
tumbling down. And so that's when the Israelites were able
to go in and uh and take over. And what's
kind of funny is that Lauren pointed out the other
day that there was a Garth Brooks concert in Louisiana.
(04:51):
This is just days ago, and over one hundred thousand
fans showed up at l s u S Tiger Stadium
and they were dancing and singing so hard that it
actually caused a small earthquake. It literally registered on a seismograph.
(05:13):
So maybe that's similar to what happened in the Bible,
some kind of a man made earthquake, you know. Tesla
claimed he had sort of an earthquake machine that he
could use. But anyway, aside from being fascinated with manifestation, uh,
Justin is extremely into UFOs and alien contact. He's one
(05:38):
of the most interested people I've ever met. And as
soon as he heard that I was working with Jason
Saracchi to produce these Vegas UFO skywatches, Justin bought an
airplane ticket and he flew here and we got together
on April the twenty ninth of this year, because it
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was basically the new moon and nice and dark, and
what we do is we can, but we gave him,
you know, this v I P experience. Uh, it was
just him, Jason, myself and my wife Lauren. And when
we do these skywatches with third generation night vision goggles,
we take we take people out into the desert at
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least like thirty maybe thirty minutes from Vegas to get
away from light pollution. And we have different locations we
can pick and choose from, and so we keep them
most of the time confidential. We don't tell people exactly
where we're gonna be. So this first night, okay, well
here the first at the first sight of that night,
let me just tell you what happened. So Justin has
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never used third generation night vision goggles before. And this
technology is so precious that it's it's literally illegal to
allow a non US citizen to look through a pair
of third generation night vision goggles. It's a federal offense.
It's due to what's called I TAR I T, a
arts regulatory for you know, weapons systems and all that.
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But so we you know, we have to make sure
we only allow US citizens to participate, and some people
don't understand that, but we don't have a choice. So anyway, Um,
so we get out there in the field and Jason Saracchi,
of course he has this excellent setup. Uh, He's got
every type of camera you could want, all these different goggles,
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and I mean the weather was ideal, the sky was clear,
I mean it was ah, we just knew we were
going to see something. Well the first thing that happened,
it was kind of really great luck and kind of
bad luck at the same time. And let me explain
what I mean. Okay, so we had, uh, we each
had a pair of third generation night vision goggles. At
this time. Lauren was not around and it was just
(07:49):
Jason and Justin and myself, the three the three J's
in the field. And because that, okay, then we only
use the finest third generation night vision goggles. He's called
Para Temporal night Vision goggles. And if you want to
learn all about them, and you can watch videos and stuff,
go to Para Temporal dot com p A r A
T E M p O r A L Para Temporal
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dot com and uh, and you can learn why that
we only use them, and a pair of these costs
thousands of dollars. Uh, there are some you can get
that are less expensive, but we are using like the
Crimdala crime. So in order to film through these third
gend goggles, what you do is you take these goggles,
which are ordinarily kind of like just binoculars that you
(08:34):
would look through, which allow you to see into the
invisible infrared realm. And it's unbelievable because for every star
you can see with your naked eye, you can see
like twenty or thirty through the goggles. I mean, the
sky just explodes and sparkles like diamonds. It's amazing. But
when you get these things, you're you're looking directly through them,
and if you want to record what you're seeing, then
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traditionally what you do is you kind of remove one
of the eye pieces and then you have a after
that you can use to screw on a camera. So
having the camera there is really great because obviously you
can record what the goggles see, but it also kind
of takes away from your experience using the goggles in
real time because you're giving up an eyepiece there and there.
(09:18):
There's there's something sort of between your face and and
the goggles. So what I'm getting out here is at
this point, Jason he had just gotten his camera hooked
up to his third gen night vision goggles, and Justin
and I didn't have cameras hooked up yet, and I
was just sort of showing him how to use the goggles,
(09:39):
and he's just going, Wow, this is amazing, you know.
And so at one point I said to um, I okay.
At one point I'm looking up and it was just
like so lucky, was so serendipitous. Justin and I were
looking at the same spot and the guy at the
same time, and we both go WHOA, This big, bright,
(10:03):
like jagged looking object that seemed very low and close
to us goes darting right over our heads and we're
just screaming. And and of course, poor old Jason, he's
just getting his camera hooked up. He was where is it?
Where is it? And this thing we couldn't have been
there longer than ten seconds before I just shot right
off into space. And so the two guys who saw it,
(10:27):
Justin myself, we're lucky that we both got to see
that was super lucky. But we didn't have the cameras
on our goggles and the one the one guy who
did Jason, he he wasn't looking in the same spot
at that time, so we didn't get proof of that.
But that sucked. But don't worry. Don't worry, because later
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on something very interesting happened. We ended up seeing quite
a few UFOs at that at that spot, and Jason
got some great footage. But I think the big achievement
of the night was what happened when we decided to
drive an hour to make the light the night longer,
which is something we wouldn't ordinarily do on a SkyWatch
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unless somebody requested that extra time. And um, we we.
We took our little group up north of Las Vegas
on the route to area fifty one, to where I
discovered the so called time warp. So here we are
out there late at night, and it's so dark and
(11:33):
it's eerily quiet, and we're ready now, Okay, we're prepared now,
and we all saw something and it's on video. Um,
when we come back from this break, I'm gonna tell
you what we saw, and I'm going to play some
audio for you of us reacting to what we were seeing.
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So cool, and then of course after that I'll finally
get into all these weird beings that I've been intrigued
by that may or may not even have a connection
to some of these well aliens, interdimensional beings that I
was spring Hill Jack lizard Man. Anyway, Uh, listen to this.
I've told you before. I just bought a new piece
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of property at one of the most paranormal hotspots on
planet Earth. I have the deed in my hand. I
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the Wizard of Weird, Joshua P. Warren, beaming into your
wormhole brain from my studio and sends city Las Vegas, Nevada,
where every day is golden and every night is silver,
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And here we were on one of those silver nights
at the time warp. This is the place where in
two thousand eighteen, I made a discovery that went viral,
made international headlines. I used Ron Heath's DT meter, his
differential time rate meter, and discovered this spot on the
side of the road on the way to Area fifty one,
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where I was able to measure time momentarily slowing down,
which at that time mainstream scientists said should not be possible.
But just since then, in the past four years or so,
there have been a lot of advances that are starting
to confirm more and more that time is a little
slippery and lucy guco all over the place. And of
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course then things got even weirder when I found that
later on that this was a paranormal hot spot where
people have been seeing UFOs, having close encounters, experience it
seem missing time. I've talked about it a lot and
once before Jason went out there at night and he
got some kind of a weird light in the desert
in the middle of nowhere. Well here we were back
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there again late at night, perfect conditions, and lo and behold, boom.
Here we have out in the desert pal a light
that appears, and then a second light that appears, and
they're drifting around the desert. And these are not visible
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to the naked eye, exceptcept occasionally you might get a
little hint of a reddish color, but usually they were
not available. And let let me just play the audio,
just part of the audio from you know what what
happened to us? Our reaction when we solve these lights appearing.
You're gonna you're gonna hear I think all of us
in this. I'm talking, Jason's talking, Justin's talking. I think
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even Lauren chimes in at a certain point. So here
you go. This will give you an idea of how
exciting this was for us. There's something down there? What
is down there? Do you see that? Yeah? It's bright
as hell, yo, Justin, come here quickly. Yeah, Lauren, I
don't know what the hell that is. There's two of
them looked over there. Man, they looked for the nike
(16:17):
and eye you can't see. But look, there's something flash
and it just crossed the field. It's in the same
place it was before. It's about to disappear. So you
look with your naked eye justin there's nothing there. What
the hell is that? It's gone? Oh, this is exactly
where I saw. It's further away. Now do you see
a far just moved? Lauren, are you recording that? Look
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right down the trail. It's gone. Yeah, it just disappeared. Well,
it's I could barely see a little bit. Holy again
up the lights back. It's down there again down the
trail this time it is that. We gotta go down there,
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like I think this warrants a walk. It's gone. It's
there still, it's still there. Now it's gone. What the
hell was that? It's back again. It's way further down
the trail though, way further down back. Look at that. Yeah,
it's it's it's it is bad. Okay, it's bad. Yeah,
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videotaping it's gone again. Yeah, it appears and disappears. Now.
Jason was a brave man that night, and he actually
walked by himself way down that trail to see if
he could get a closer look. Even though there are
mountain lions and coyotes and rattlesnakes and scorpions, they was gone.
(17:50):
It was gone. If you want to see this footage, though,
if you actually want to see what we're talking about,
John Carter up there in Canada he put these clips together.
All you have to do is go to YouTube and
just do a search for his channel, which is UFOs Worldwide,
and you'll see he's called it two orbs called in
Nevada Desert. Two orbs called in Nevada Desert. And I'll
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try to remember to post a link to that uh
on my Twitter for you as well. But anyway, you
can see how excited we were. As a matter of fact,
Justin said that he had such a great time he's
already planning his next trip back. And so that's why
I don't know how long we're going to make these
things available. Um, but can you imagine what a surprising
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gift that would be for somebody. I mean, like, like,
what's cooler than going out and having experiences like that
with your own eyes. If you want to look into
coming to the area, we'll do our best to work
with you and accommodate your schedule. Just go to Vegas
UFOs dot com. It's also okay to bring uh kids.
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We originally were uncertain about that, but we've decided that
a lot of people in town, you know, they want
to show their kids this stuff, so we're cool with that.
So just go to Vegas UFOs dot com. But we're
not gonna be taking a lot of reservations this year,
so hopefully you'll be able to join us. So listen. Um,
I was thinking about what, you know, what we were
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seeing that night, and what's going on at the time
warp and what kind of beings might be coming here
from other dimensions, and I started my mind started racing
about some of my favorite bizarre, unsolved mysteries, and I thought,
you know, there's some some stuff that I've never really
talked about in depth on this show. Then may have
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something to do with visitors from these other places. And
I promise, I know this sounds like I'm going all
over the place, but I'm going to connect all of
this together for you by the end of the show.
When I was growing up, one of the weirdest beings
that I came across was this character, you know, just
in literature call spring hill Jack. Okay, and I to
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this day I am intrigued with spring Hill Jack because
I don't know what what to make of this thing. Okay,
let me just sort of give you the basic story.
Spring Hill springhilled like, you know, a guy who has
springs on his hills, who can jump really, really far.
He is an entity in English folklore of the Victorian era.
The first claimed sighting of spring Hill Jack was an
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eighteen thirty seven and there are many theories about the
identity of spring Hill Jack. H He inspired a lot
of fiction, and let me try to describe for you
in a nutshell. Spring Hill Jack was this humanoid being
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that kind of looked like the devil. He had horns
and sort of a van Dyke beard, and he often
wore a cape and he would jump out of the
shadows at night and sort of terrorize people. He would
just jump out of the shadows and smack a cop
in the face and then just jump over fences and
(21:10):
disappear like some kind of kangaroo. Uh. There were some
occasions where he would jump out and sort of you know,
touch women inappropriately, and this became such a problem. I mean,
there were a whole special sections of law enforcement that
spent years trying to figure out is this is this
a being? Is this a man who's dressed up because
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he would do these superhuman things. For example, sometimes he
would breathe fire in people's faces and scorch them. So
you have this guy who could hop incredible distances and
disappear in the shadows. It just comes out and does
nasty means stuff blows fire in your face. I mean,
they say. Everybody said he had a frightful and terrifying appearance.
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He had clawed hands and eyes that resembled red balls
of fire. One report claimed that beneath a black coat cloak,
he wore a helmet and a tight fitting white garment
like an oil skin. But some of the people said
that these flames that he would breathe out were sort
of blue and white, and his claws seemed sort of metallic.
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Could this have been some kind of crazy guy who
was some kind of like diabolical steampunk dude who created
this costume, who was sort of like the evil Batman
who just decided to go around and dormant people. It's
an unsolved mystery. This went on for years, and nobody
knows to this day what spring Hill Jack really was.
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And so look, let me just give you a little
bit more information about uh, like some of the times
where people encountered him. Uh. Jane Aslop was a woman
who reported that on the night of February nineteenth of
eight teen thirty eight, she answered the door of her
father's house to a man claiming to be a police officer,
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who told her to bring a light, claiming, quote, we
have caught spring Heeled Jack here in the lane. And
she brought the person a candle and noticed that he
wore a large cloak, and the moment she handed him
the candle, however, he threw off the cloak. I guess
what he quote presented a most hideous and frightful appearance
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end quote, vomiting blue and white flame from his mouth,
while his eyes resembled red balls of fire. Ms All
Slap also reported that he wore a large helmet. And
she's the one who said that his clothing, which appeared
to be very tight fitting, resembled white oil skin. I'm
not sure exactly what that is, but I can imagine
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without saying a word, he caught hold of her and
began tearing her gown with his claws, which she said,
we're certainly of quote some metallic substance end quote. She
screamed for help and managed to get away from him
and ran toward the house. He caught her on the
steps and tore her neck and arms with his claws.
She was rescued by one of her sisters, after which
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her assailant fled. Okay, Um, there's another case here which
is the case of It's called the Scales case. UM.
Eighteen year old Lucy Skills and her sister were returning
home after visiting their brother, a butcher, who lived in
a respectable part of the area. UM. She told the
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police in her deposition that as she and her sister
were passing along this alleyway called the Green Dragon Alley,
they saw a sort of a person standing at an angle,
and she was walking in front of her sister, and
just as she came up to the person, who was
wearing a large cloak, he quote spurred a quantity of
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blue flame in her face, which deprived her of sight
and so alarmed her that she instantly dropped to the
ground and was seized with violent fits, which continued for
several hours. Um. Okay we're coming up on a break.
We come back, I'll tell you a little bit more
about like this guy, this thing, who or what was he?
(25:14):
And perhaps some similar beings that we have to be
concerned about historically speaking. I'm Joshua PE Warren. You're listening
to Strange Things on the I Heart Radio and Coast
to Coast DAMN Paranormal Podcast Network, and I will be
right back. Welcome back to Strange Things on the I
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Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
I'm your host, Joshua P. Warren, and this is the
show where the unusual becomes usual. And apparently in a
town called Lincolnshire and the autumn of eighteen sevente spring
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Hill Jack was seen hopping around there and angry mob
supposedly chased him and cornered him, and uh some residents
even fired guns at him to no effect. And as usual,
he was said to a vague use of his leaping
abilities to lose the crowd and jump away into the night,
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disappearing once again. Nobody knows what to make of this.
You know, it's been a fixture and popular popular culture
for a long time. People in London would often equate
his name with that of the Boogeyman the Devil. The
character was written into a number of the Penny Dreadful
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stories during the latter half of the nineteenth century. And
even though I mean, like some people said, this could
have been this rich Irish nobleman, the Marcus of Waterford,
who had a reputation for being mechanically gifted and like
you know, and enjoyed pranking people and had a sinister side,
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a mischievous side. I don't know, We don't know. A
lot of people think, you know, this could be an extraterrestrial,
this could be a superhuman and entrydimensional being that this
could have been some kind of encrypted authors like Lauren
Coleman and Jerome Clark they list spring Hill Jack in
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a category they call fant of them attackers. Another example
of this would be one called the Mad Gasser of
Mattun Phantom attackers. They usually appear to be human, but
maybe perceived as sort of prosaic criminals and display extraordinary abilities.
I don't know, maybe we need to make a movie
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about this. Huh. There you go. I gave somebody a
good idea. But you know what, when you when you
read about this kind of stuff. It reminds me of
cases like one a little closer to where I grew up.
And when I grew up in North Carolina and South Carolina,
we had this being called the lizard man. First reported
(28:41):
in the nineteen eighties. The lizard man was this, you know,
like seven foot tall reptilian. I think the fair maybe
The first case was in nineteen eight the Sheriff's department
investigated a report of a car damaged overnight torn up
outside Bishopville, South Carolina. Uh, tooth marks and scratches and
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muddy footprints were left behind and uh. Then finally there
was a seventeen year old local named Christopher Davis who
said that lizard man appeared in front of his car
one night as as a green against seven foot tall
thing with three fingers, red eyes, skin like a lizard,
(29:26):
snake like scales. A bunch of people saw a lizard man,
and this became such a big topic in the local
news that somebody put out, like I think it was
a radio station, put out a one million dollar reward
to anybody who could capture the lizard man alive. And
oh my gosh, that created a ruckus. I mean, talk
(29:49):
about a bunch of drunk nudes looking for an excuse
to go out into the swamps with their rifles. And
you know, the thing is, this is still it's it's
an unsolved street. But back, like, you know, over ten
years ago, I was working on this television series. I
was a cast member. It was called Paranormal Paparazzi was
on the Travel Channel, and one of the stories that
(30:12):
I covered was the lizard Man, and I figured that
it was probably just some kind of a prankster, you know.
But here I left with a different attitude. I went
down there and I actually spent time and in the
home of the man who was the sheriff at that time,
Sheriff Trusdale, and he's convinced that it was a real
creature and he had all kinds of evidence that he
showed me and my producer, see Eric Scott, right there
(30:34):
on camera, and then he offered to take us out
into the swamp and show us where these incidents had happened.
And guess who joined us the current sheriff. So what
we had the current sheriff there of the county, as
well as the former sheriff, uh taking, you know, chaperoning
(30:56):
me and Eric all around and telling us stories and
introducing us to witness this is it's wild as a
matter as a matter of fact. If you want to
see that segment for free, all you have to do
is go to Joshua P. Warren dot com and there's
a section called TV and Film Work where I give
examples of some of the stuff that I've done on
television over the years. And you'll see that report there.
(31:18):
And I left there after talking to these witnesses and
seeing these markings thinking like, I believe there was a
real creature here involved in this whole mix. And now
those kind of seem like maybe these are aliens or
interdimensional weirdies of some kind. But this I'm gonna take
a little bit of a twist here again, I'm gonna
(31:39):
tie all this together. This is usually considered a ghost, okay,
La la la la rona, la rona Okay. In Mexican folklore,
Lalla Rona the weeping woman is a vengeful ghost who
roams waterfront areas mourning her children, whom she drowned. And
(32:00):
it says here that this story goes back a long way,
but it's primarily I mean, like it's told throughout Mexico
Central America, South America. There are a lot of different versions,
but the typical version is a beautiful woman named Maria.
She marries this rich, you know, rancher type guy. They
have some kids. One day, Maria sees her husband with
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another woman and in a fit of blind rage, she
drowns their kids in a river, which she immediately regrets,
and then she you know, she is consumed by her guilt,
and so she drowns herself as well, but is unable
to enter the afterlife because she's forced to be in
purgatory and roam the earth until she finds her children.
(32:47):
And this is all throughout many of these again Latin cultures,
as as a cautionary tale and also a way of like,
you know, scaring kids. Nobody is sure exactly where the
story of the weeping female um phantom came from, and
you can read more about different versions of that. But
here's why I wanted to bring this up. When I
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was in Puerto Rico, there was I I lived on
the southwestern coast of Puerto Rico in a town called
Bocron and it was right next to town called Lajas
and La Hassa is where we had the lagoon and Carthagena,
which was a the Ufo Lagoon. A lot of paranormal
stuff was happening around La Haas, and when I was
talking to people about weird stories, I would hear that
(33:31):
La Lorona uh had inspired some very interesting activity in
the community. And years past, I think, like in the
early nineteen nineties, they said that there was this creek
out there in La Haas where at night people would
see La Lorona and and she's got the white gown on,
(33:55):
and she's got the long hair, and she's weeping and
shrieking and and I mean, this became such a big
thing that like all the high school kids would go
there and try to see if they could catch a
glimpse of this. And they were, they and they were.
They were seeing this figure and fleeing in a horror
every night. And this went on for a long time
(34:16):
until finally the truth was revealed. There was this one
gas station that was nearby, and apparently I was told
the guy who owned the gas station he was trying
to drum up business, and so he would put on
a white gown and a wig and he would go
out there and creep down along the banks of this creek.
(34:39):
At night, you know, and come out and scared a
crap out of people all year long, because everybody who
came out would stop at his gas station and you know,
buy a snack or a drink or a fill up.
So but he finally got busted. Okay, two reasons I'm
I'm connecting all these things together. Number one is and
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each one of these cases there may actually be a
real phenomenon. Okay, we don't know what the original spring
Hill Jack was. We don't know what the original lizard
Man was. We don't know the circumstances of the original
La Lorona, but it became so popular that we can
(35:22):
feel confident that it did inspire hoaxes to go out
there and take advantage of that and to start, you know,
pranking people and scaring people. And I know that they
think they're doing that all and good fun. But the
problem is people who take advantage of real encounters like
(35:43):
this and go out and use them for pranks, they
muddy the water for legitimate research. One of the main
reasons so many paranormal phenomena are easily to dismiss is
because you have one person who may go out and
and try to do a copycat, fake thing, and it's
possible that there was a real spring Hill Jack and
then people went out and decided to pretend to be
(36:03):
spring Hill Jack and and and abuse the fear that
people had same thing with lizard Man, etcetera. Was this
a guy in a suit? Eventually we just don't know.
But just because there are a counterfeit dollar bills in
the world, that doesn't mean there are no real ones.
I was watching one of these shows the other day,
but one of these American greed episodes, and they were
(36:24):
talking about a guy who made a fortune selling fake
vintage wine for millions and millions of dollars. People will
do anything for a buck. So it becomes a big
hall of mirrors when you when you start trying to
sort through these things. But let's ask ourselves a bigger question.
(36:45):
There is a new story, a new news story from
NASA about a major project, a major endeavor, and they
are going to invite whatever is out there, whatever aliens,
whatever entry dimensionals, whatever being, They're going to invite them
(37:07):
to come here to planet Earth using a level of
technology that is well, it's it's greater than ever before.
We have better satellite dishes, we have bigger scopes, more
powerful everything. When we come back, I'm gonna tell you
more about that and say, you know, we have to
think it like is this Is this a good idea?
(37:30):
Is it? And then also I have some pretty wild
emails I want to read to you. Um, do we
want more spring Hill? Jack's more lizard Men. I'm Joshua P. Warren.
You're listening to Strange Things on the I Heart Radio
and Coast to Coast and Parinormal Podcast Network. I'll be
(37:53):
back after these important messages. Welcome back to the final
(38:32):
segment of this edition of Strange Things Well the I
Heart Radio and Coast to Coast. I am Paranormal Podcast Network.
I am your host, Joshua pe Warren. And remember how
in the book and movie Jurassic Park, the big question was,
you know, just because you can do something scientifically, does
(38:53):
that mean you should. Well, the New York Post is
saying headline NASA to launch naked pictures of humans to
space and hope of quote attracting aliens end quote. And
they're reporting on a story by Charlotte Edwards and the
Sun and says NASA scientists planned to launch pictures of
(39:16):
naked humans the depictions will also include an invitation to
respond should an intelligent alien race find the space nudes. Fortunately,
the hypothetical aliens should not be too shocked by the
nudes because the pictures aren't that graphic, but a drawing
of a naked man and a woman next to a
(39:37):
depiction of DNA. The man and woman are waving and
an attempt to look more inviting. It's part of a
study called the Beacon in the Galaxy, and the main
aim is to send a message to any alien civilizations
out there. They're kind of following up on what the
Arecibo Observatory did in Puerto Rico years ago, and so
(40:00):
right now, um, they're sending up this radio signal. It's
a binary code basically zeros and ones that draws a
very very simple, basic picture with some very very basic
colors from a satellite array in California and then the
big old radio satellite the dish there in China, and uh,
(40:22):
let's see, I'm not sure exactly women they're gonna do this, um,
but they have some other like basic mathematical and physical
concepts that they're encoding in this about gravity um. And
it's it's not that different than what we did with
with the Pioneer plaques that were sent on the nineteen
(40:45):
seventy two Pioneer ten in nineteen seventy three Pioneer eleven missions.
But those were pictures like like plaques attached to the craft,
and they're so encountering what you'd have to to be
much much luckier to encounter one of those than to
(41:05):
pick up this signal that we're sending out there right now. Now, Look,
I have done my share of inviting aliens to come
and visit us, so I am nobody to criticize a
mission like this. But look, I realized there are people
out there who say, I'm being naive. You don't know
(41:26):
what you're doing. You don't want this, you don't want
more lizard men, you don't want more spring hill jacks.
We these are the types of beings that we're going
to attract. I don't know. I guess I'm too curious,
and the curiosity kills the kid. I just say, all right,
let's do it, let's get this over with before I die.
(41:49):
I'd like to see what's out there. That's just me.
So I'm okay with it, But I don't know, are
you okay let's move von to some listener oriented stuff
before we have to go. Uh. Let me remind you now,
this might be the last time you hear about this
if you live near Alexandria, Virginia. Jim Kalanna, the composer,
(42:13):
is going to be debuting his composition called Joshua's Shop
and Miracles. Excuse me, Joshua's Shop of Miracles and Curiosities.
The world premier there will be on May twenty two,
two at two pm, performed by the American Youth phil
Harmonic at the Rachel M. Schlessinger Concert Hall and Arts Center.
(42:39):
And if you want to get a ticket to that,
it's uh, they're very affordable. I'm sure. Just go to
Jim Kalanna dot com. J I M c O l
O n n A. I am honored that he has
composed a piece of music like this based upon my work.
J I M C O l O N n A.
And if you go there and listened to it, hey,
(43:01):
give me your feedback. I'd love to hear about it.
I wish I could be there, but I already have
a trip planned and I'll be telling you more about
that my my crazy travel schedule in the near future. Okay,
so let's go to some emails. Here. We have one
from Crystal in California, and she says in the subject lying,
(43:23):
the Miraculous prayer Board strikes again. I had some unfortunate
circumstances happened that knocked my finances way down. And then
I had three bills do and there was not even
enough money in the bank to do the minimum payments.
And this was the first for me. My stress was
for the roof many exclamation points. I scraped from everywhere
(43:46):
and put everything in my bill paying account, and it
was still short. I was so stressed, I was getting
a migraine. And then I remember it. I haven't used
the Miraculous prayer Board in a long time, so I
got it right away and wished to have these bills
paid and some money left over because I need some
more food too. And the next day, still looking for
a solution, I checked my bank account again and I
(44:09):
was stunned. My Etsy shop had deposited I don't want
to say how much, but blank amount of money. She says,
My shops are not due to make any deposits. And
I went to both of my shops and neither one
says they made a deposits and yet there it is,
and my bills and food are covered. L O L.
(44:31):
I have never been so happy about a deposit in
my life. The Miraculous Prayer Board is amazing. Many exclamation points. Well,
I'm so happy to hear that, Crystal, And um, at
some point, if you'd like, I can tell people how
to visit your Etsy shop. But I don't want to
do that without your explicit permission. But that's cool. If
(44:53):
you are interested in experimenting like Crystal is doing, just
go to Joshua pe Warren dot job and click the
link to the Curiosity Shop and you can read about
the Miraculous Prayer Board. It comes with a money back guarantee,
but you know what, nobody ever asks for it. Okay,
(45:14):
And here is an email I got from a man
named Ronald, and he says, um, have you say? He goes,
what is your opinion on the s l S cameras
that some paranormal investigators use on TV? Are they truly
mapping entities? And have you ever used one? I love
(45:36):
your show, keep up the great content. Uh well, thank
you very much for that, Ronald. And Okay, So for
people who may not be familiar sometimes you're watching a
ghost hunting show and they have a camera that UM
has a piece of software. They're the kind of latches
onto uh data points in our room and connects the
(45:58):
dots and forms kind of stick figure that looks very humanoid.
And it's pretty compelling to see that, UM, And I
know that it was sort of invented for the video
gaming industry so that you could move in your living
room or whatever, and a little camera would be able
to pick up your movements and interpret them and uh
(46:21):
create an action for your avatar in the game. And
I'm sure they're used in Hollywood for special effects. So anyway, UM,
I wrote him back and I said, you know, I
have toyed with these SLS cameras and that type of software.
But here is the problem. The tech is created biased. Now,
(46:45):
I know that sounds weird. You don't think of technology
as being biased necessarily, But I went on to say,
the software is predisposed to look for human shapes, and
so it struggles to turn almost anything into a human shape. Now,
this is a conundrum because the camera maybe picking up
(47:07):
a real phantom, or it may simply be trying to
find something human like. So and many ways. It just
mimics the human brains, perceptions and biases. You know. It's
kind of like electronic paradoia, so I said in a nutshell,
(47:30):
it's it's fascinating. Before it to be credible, i'd want
to see multiple SLS cameras, at least three capture the
same figure from three different angles. That now, that would
be interesting. That that that would be impressive. Uh. Anytime
(47:50):
you're looking at something from one particular point of view,
then it's much much easier to just h have you know,
shadows and reflections and parptical illusions and effects that can create.
You know, I get the connection of the dots, but yeah,
different angles, that would be cool. Okay, we're almost out
of time here, and it's pretty soon I'm going to
(48:13):
be asking you to go on my social media and
to send me questions about anything you want. It doesn't
even have to be paranormal necessarily. Uh. And I am
going to do oh at least a show where to
where I just sit down and answer your questions. That's
(48:34):
gonna go in any direction, I'm sure, so stay tuned
for that. All right, it is now time for you
to relax. If you can close your eyes kick back
and take a deep breath. This tone, it just keeps
working wonders for people. A lot of people rely on
it every week. So here it is. This is the
(48:57):
good Fortune tone, and meditate on this. That's it for
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