July 21, 2023 • 52 mins
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I am JOSHUAE Warren, and each week on this show,
I'll be bringing you brand new mind blowing content, news exercises,
and weird experiments you can do at home, and a
lot more on this edition of the show Weird Adventures
with see Eric Scott. I have known producer see Eric
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Scott for twenty two years and we have worked on
so many paranormal TV shows and movies that I can't
even name them all. Well, recently he visited me here
in Las Vegas and we sat down for a face
to face conversation. You are going to hear that conversation soon.
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But first, right up front, I want to tell you
about a weird experience I had while Eric was here
in town. All right, listen to this, I, your humble host,
was recently kicked out. That's right, kicked out of a
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celebrity event here in Las Vegas. Can you believe that?
You know what a nice, courteous, respectful man I am,
and yet I was kicked out. So before I tell
you this story, let me ask you to guess who
that celebrity might be.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I know that's a hard one, and you should realize
it wasn't actually the celebrity that demanded I be removed.
It was a couple of goombas, goons, henchmen. And this
story actually has a twist ending, but it did. It
ticked me off for a few days and you'll see why.
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Oh okay, are you ready? Here's what happened recently. Laren
and I were hanging out on a Friday night with
Eric in a nice casino on the outskirts of Vegas,
and when we got there earlier in the night, we
had seen these generic nondescript signs here and there saying
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filming in progress. But I saw no actual indications of
any filming, and so we just sort of ignored the
whole thing. We had a full night of gambling, and
then we went to a restaurant to get some food
to go. At that point, it was after one in
the morning, and as we were actually walking out of
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the casino on our way to leave with our to
go food in the bags, this random young man just
ran up to us, excited as heck. This guy was
probably in his twenties, he had a goateee, and he
just showed us his phone and exclaimed to us, we
are just completely complete strangers. He said, look, I just
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got a picture with Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan and Dana
White are over in the high Limit section right now,
and this guy was flipping out like he'd met Santa Claus. Now.
The high Limit section was right there next to us,
and I said, Joe Rogan is in there, and he said, yeah, yeah,
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he's taking pictures with everybody now. If you don't know,
Joe Rogan has one of the most popular podcasts in
the world, and he is a controversial figure. A lot
of people don't agree with his views, but I've always
enjoyed his interviews, and I think he's a person who
stands up for free speech because he has maintained his
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independence even when a lot of the legacy mainstream media
has tried to censor him. So whether or not I
agree with everything he says, I admire that he is
a champion for free speech. And Dana White is the
man in charge of the UFC the Ultimate Fighting Championship.
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Now that's that's cool, But I'm personally, I'm just really
not much of a UFC guy. So I told Lauren
and Eric, well, if Joe Rogan's right in there, I'd
like to pop in to the High Limits area and
just say hello to Joe Rogan. And neither Lauren or
Eric wanted to go, so they held my food and
I said, okay, I'll be back in just a little bit.
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So I walked into the High Limits area and there
was a room toward the back that had two men
in suits standing at either side like they might be
guards possibly, And I figured Joe Rogan might be in
that back room, and so if they didn't want me there,
these guys in suits would just stop me and tell
me they didn't want me. But but they just smiled.
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So you know, I just walked right in, and sure
enough there was Joe Rogan and Dana White standing in
front of a card table watching a game with a
small crowd around them. So it was pretty cool right
off the bat to see them in the flesh. They
looked exactly like they do on TV, even though I
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must say they're quite a bit shorter than me. And
there there was one guy I saw in the corner
who was filming stuff, but that was it. I mean,
this did not look at all like an actual TV
set or anything. Goodness knows. I've been on a zillion
TV sets, and it just looked to me like they
had possibly some bets down and they were gambling. I
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don't know what exactly was going on, so I just
stood there and watched for a few minutes. It really
didn't look like much was going on at all. Frankly,
there were all these intimidating looking men in dark suits
standing around, but I thought maybe they were just like
casino security or something, since I presumed if Joe Rogan
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and Dana White were there, maybe they were betting, you know,
some big stakes. Perhaps I don't know. Nobody's said anything.
There was nothing to indicate at all what was going on.
So at one point Joe Rogan didn't have too many
folks around him, and he was just kind of looking
at the table. So I figured i'd say hello, and
I said, mister Rogan, I'm Joshua Warren and I enjoy
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your podcast and I want to thank you for standing
up for free speech. And he shook my hand and
said thank you, and you know, he was cordial, and
that was it. And so, you know, then some other
people came up and started talking to him. And I
continued watching this whole scenario because again, it didn't look
like that there was like like a TV shoot going on,
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and I was kind of curious as to what was happening,
and he was just chatting with people, kind of knocking around.
It didn't look to me like he was working. So
at some point Dana White walked to the other side
of the room and most of the people followed Dana White.
So now there were even less people around Joe Rogan. Well,
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of course, I had been on my way out the
door to begin with, you know, heading out with with
Lauren and Eric, when I realized that Joe Rogan was
even there, and I was thinking about, like, well, Lauren
and Eric are waiting for me outside, like, what's cool?
What's he doing in there? Come on, Joshua. So, I mean,
I was kind of in a hurry and I needed
to run, but you know, I figured I would just
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ask Joe Rogan one more question, actually just a question.
I had to ask him anything, but I just figured
i'd ask him a question before I left. I mean,
he was standing right there in front of me, a
real human being, just like any other normal human being
in a casino. And I said to him, quote, I
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host a podcast for Coast to Coast AM. Would you
be interested in being interviewed? End quote? And as soon
as I said I work for Coast to Coast AM,
a guy in a dark suit began stepping between me
and Joe Rogan and he said something smart You're like,
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that's it, and Rogan said no. And as soon as
Rogan said no, another man in a suit stepped between
me and Rogan, and the men in suits told me
to leave and showed me the door. And even though
Joe Rogan did not ask me to leave, he watched
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this happen and he did not say a word about it.
And I mean, you know, once he said no. I
would have just said okay, I understand, thank you, and
that would have been the end of it. They didn't
have to kick me out of the room. Though to
say that was an overreaction is an understatement. So apparently
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saying I was with the media was a big no no.
I guess.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
That's all I can figure is you know that that's
what happened. And frankly, you could even argue whether or
not it was legal for them to kick me out
of the room. For one thing, I don't know who
these people were. They did not identify themselves as casino employees.
And there was a law in Nevada that says that
if there is an area where gambling is taking place,
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you must make it equally available to all. That law
exists because if you have an area with the machine
and you say, hey, that's Joshua's machine, only Joshua gets
to play it, well, then guess who's gonna eventually hit
the jackpot one day? Joshua is all right, So that
is a law on the books. But then there are
also laws saying like casinos can ban you from the
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property if they don't like this or that. But again,
I don't know who these people were. These fellas never
even identified themselves. I had no idea who they were,
but regardless, I was ready to leave anyway, And it
really wasn't that big of a deal to me. Like
you say, all I did was ask another human being
standing next to me whether or not he would be
interested in being interviewed on my show, and this is
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the reaction I got from those around him. So of course,
without hesitation, I left that area. I even gambled a
little bit on the other section of the high limits
room with no problem, and then I emerged to tell
Lauren and Eric, well, I met Joke Rogan. I shook
his hand. We had a friendly exchange. But when I
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ask if he would consider being interviewed on my podcast,
the guys in there kick me out. Lauren said, I'm
so glad I didn't go in there. I would have
been horrified. And I said, well, look, I'm not happy.
You know, I'm miffed. That was uncalled for, and honestly
it left a bad taste in my mouth. But when
we come back from this break, there is a twist
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ending to this story. I just can't go anywhere and
have a normal life. Weird things just follow me wherever
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Speaker 1 (14:03):
Welcome back to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I am your host,
the Wizard of Weird, Joshua P. Warren, beaming into your
wormhole brain from my studio in sen City, Las Vegas, Nevada,
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where every day is golden and every night is silver
Adia tat dozume. So so we're, you know, we're we're
walking out of the casino, of course, and I looked
back and I thought, you know, I don't hold it
against Joe Rogan since he did not personally kick me out,
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but I do think if it had been the other
way around, if I had been in his position, I
would have told these guys not a okay, you don't
have to throw him out. But anyway, you know, I
didn't know. I didn't know the big picture, I didn't
even know what the heck was going on, and so
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you know, I left pretty confused and kind of ticked off.
So now here, I guess, is the twist ending. Perhaps,
So this whole thing that I just told you about
happened on a Friday night. Technically it was like a
Saturday morning, because this is like, you know, almost two
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o'clock in the morning, Saturday morning. So the following Sunday
I checked the news and found out that that very
next day after my experience that Saturday, Donald Trump had
popped up as a surprise at UFC to ninety. That's
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the big fighting event right down the road in Las Vegas,
and Donald Trump was with Dana White and Joe Rogan
and all of these other celebs were there. And then
I realized, oh, there was a very good chance that
the guys who kicked me out of the room the
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night before were Secret Service agents because they were preparing
for this big Trump event hours away that was being
kept a secret with these two guys that I was with,
Joe Rogan and Dana White, and for all I know,
even Donald Trump may have been nearby. And if I
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had known that Joe Rogan was in that room as
part of a political event. Perhaps I would have never
entered because throughout my life, whenever I have come into
contact with the Secret Service and the circle of individuals
who surround presidential figures, regardless of the party, it's always
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dark and negative. There's like this aggressive cloud and paranoia,
and I just want no part of it. So I
guess the bottom line is that I guess you again.
To recap, I was already ready to leave. I was
walking out the door. An excited stranger ran up and said, Hey,
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Joe Rogan's in there. Look he's meeting people and taking pics.
So I went in there and ended up having this
experience where I was kicked out? Why did that happen
to me?
Speaker 3 (17:35):
You know?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
What was what was I supposed to learn from that?
I could have just gone home and been none the wiser.
But why did the universe want me to experience that
odd thing?
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I do not know.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Maybe it will make more sense at some point, and
it'll become something positive at some point, but for now,
it's just outright weird. I thought I was just being nice,
but there's the reality. So that is my story about
recently being kicked out of a celebrity event. What do
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you think of that? All right, let's get on to
the feature presentation, shall we see. Eric Scott is originally
from Ohio. He went to college in North Carolina where
we met, and he now lives in Washington, DC. For
more than two decades, we have worked on so many
paranormal projects I truly cannot remember them all. We camped
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at Brown Mountain many times looking for the mysterious lights.
We made the video report about the White House ghost Photo.
We made the video report about Oufos and Puerto Rico.
We traveled the country just the two of us, making
segments for an entire season of paranormal Paparazzi on the
Travel Channel. We worked on the Warner Brothers horror movie
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called The Apparition. I mean, the list just goes on
and on. And when he recently visited me at my
new house in Vegas, we decided to just sit down, relax,
and shoot the breeze about some of our wild experiences.
And here, my friends, is that conversation. All right? I'm
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sitting here in my kitchen, next to my swimming pool,
in the warm evening in Las Vegas, Nevada, with my
old buddy, mister c Eric Scott, and I think we're
starting a bit of a tradition here because when I
interviewed Forrest Connor, who was the very first person to
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be interviewed face to face in my home, which is
an extremely rare occasion, we were having a single malt
scotch and lo and behold when you showed up, you
brought a b beautiful single malt scotch where you can
probably tell we're having it right now tonight we're having
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it on the rocks with a splash of water to
wake it up a little bit. This is Mortlocke single
malt scotch whiskey, aged twelve years. Well, what a gift.
Welcome to my kitchen, mister c Eric Scott. Cheers, Yes,
thank you. Cheers. You know what, when I was in Transylvania.
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In Romania, they taught me that they say cheers by
saying oh okay, which basically means to your health. It's
the same kind of thing, right, So that's let's do
the Transylvanian version. Yeah, it's a spooky show man. What
a day we've had. You took me and Lauren out
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for a fantastic dinner at a fine restaurant. We even
went out for some ice cream afterwards.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
We did.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
And when we finish up this this little talk and
these drinks, we're gonna go out. We're gonna chill in
the pool. We have a couple of cigars. We're just
trying our best to make everybody out there jealous right now.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Right, it's like the you know, the old rich men
on the Titanic, except you know, things didn't end well
for them, so hopefully that will not.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Happen to us.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
My pool's only five and a half feet deep, right, yes,
but yes, of course you can remember the scene where
they're like, oh, let's go to the parlor for a
cigar and brandy. You know. So we're we're doing a
little different with the scotch, but still, you know, we
hopefully will not be sinking anywhere.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
You have worked on a lot of paranormal projects. First off,
just so everyone knows, you have been working in filmmaking
and TV production the vast majority of your life, especially
your adult life. More or less, you're a professional photographer
as well, and that's a really special combo to know
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how imagery works when it both captured still and moving
two different worlds. And you've got to bring them together,
especially when you're trying to capture and analyze mysterious things. Right,
So now we figured out that we'd known each other
for twenty two years, and tell everybody how we met
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twenty two years ago.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Well, I mean, interestingly enough, it was through one of
my college roommates who was looking into trying to produce
a documentary or a series of documentaries on North Carolina
ghost lore. And so he originally tried to team up
with an investigation group based out of Rawleigh, and he
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met with them a couple times, but they it was
weird because they never showed him any of their footage
or they would just get together and talk about stuff,
but they never showed him anything. And so we know
he kept trying to arrange for us to go and
document one of their investigations, and they kept dragging their feet.
So he finally just got tired of dealing with them
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and sought somebody else out in North Carolina and found
your website and and everything about Lemur, your investigation team,
and so he contacted you and you guys started a
dialogue and we eventually made arrangements to come to Asheville
and follow you on an investigation of the Growth Park
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in where we were, of course looking for the world
famous Pink Lady, and you know, we set up meters
and different things in the in her famous room there,
which was what the five forty five, and then we
just kind of followed you guys around and you know,
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got all kinds of crazy footage throughout that amazing historic property.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
And you know what, Eric, I wasn't going to bring
this up, but what the heck, maybe I'll edit it out.
I just remember on one of our our investigations back
in those early days. Do you know where I'm going
with this? Not exactly. So one night, you and your
colleague and the Lemur team and I we were all there,
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and we had a bunch of people from the mainstream
media that were also there documenting our investigation, and we
were all crowded in room five forty five, and one
of our Lemur investigators said he had some paranormal footage
that he wanted to show, and so all the media
was standing there with a baited breath, and they're watching
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his computer screen and he hits the button and a
Hume movie pops up. But it was in night vision,
so it looked paranormal for a moment, right, This was
a whole movie that was not meant for public display,
I don't think. And I've never seen a man scramble
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and sweat so fast or try to shield the screen
for that matter, and maybe five seconds and five seconds
is a long time under such circumstances. Five seconds later
we finally get to the orb footage, and nobody said
a word, right, yeah, everyone, I think was just trying
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not to say anything, because what does one say in
a moment such as that, where you've just seen, well,
some questionable footage has nothing to do with paranormal.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
And less well, maybe there was a ghost in there somewhere.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I don't know, you know, maybe all right, time for
a break, as I think you can see, this conversation
could go anywhere. I'm Joshua pe One. You're listening to
strange things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am
Paranormal Podcast Network, and I will be back after these
important messages. Don't go anywhere. There's more strange things coming
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right up. Hey, it's not your sky, and you're listening
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Speaker 4 (26:28):
And we're back with Strange Things and Joshua P.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Warren, Welcome back to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and
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Coast am para normal podcast network. I am your host,
Joshua P. Warren, and this is the show where the
unusual becomes usual. And now back to my conversation with
ce Eric Scott. Okay, So you and I, after all
these years, we have worked together on so many projects
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that it's impossible to remember off the top of my head.
So i have my laptop in front of me and
I'm just kind of scrolling down and I'm just looking
at TV shows and stuff and like, oh, yeah, Eric
was there for that. Eric was there for that. You know,
we shot this, we produced this, and even looking at
the list, it's intimidating. So we're only going to be
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able to focus on a few things. But I guess
some of the highlights are okay. Well, for one thing,
you spent a lot of time with us over many
years camping up at Brown Mountain. We were writing a
lot of Brown Mountain Lights research up there, and then
as time went on and we started getting more and
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more opportunities to work with with movies and TV. You
also worked with the Apparition movie on for you know,
Warner Brothers came and they hired me to be a
tech consultant for the Apparition horror movie, and then we
worked together on that. We've done so many TV shows together,
but we actually were we created a team, a two
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man team for the Travel Channel TV series called Paranormal Paparazzi.
They gave us basically a blank check and sent the
two of us on this epic journey across the United
States of America to just they We had some things
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that we had to check off the list that we
had to do, but you and I wanted to really
press the producers, and so we went above and beyond
and we just started creating a lot of our own content, right,
shooting our own segments as well.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Well. Heck, we even did our own re enactments for
some of the things, which we've posted online.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yes, that's true somewhere on YouTube. And we of course,
well you live in Washington, d C.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Right, And so.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
I don't know what year it was off the top
of my head, but I went up. Do you know
I'm talking about the ghost photo, the world's wildest ghost photo?
Oh yeah, I think I was around twenty fifteen, I think,
I think you're right. Yeah, So sometime around then I
traveled up to visit you and stay with you in Washington, DC,
and we traveled all over the place and talked to
everybody we could possibly talk to to try to figure
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out the truth behind the so called ghost photo from
the White House basement. What maybe the ghost of Abraham
Lincoln standing below the location of the Lincoln Bedroom, which
actually was the war room during the Civil War. But
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I think some of the more interesting experiences that we
may have had dealt with Puerto Rico. Yeah, probably Puerto Rico. Probably.
So you know, when we were in Puerto Rico, we
filmed a lot of stuff there. I mean there were
times you come down and stay for like a month
at a time or something like that, right, right, And
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I remember one day you and I we were with
some friends and we went out to the Laguna Carctahena,
the Ufo Lagoon, And as a filmmaker, I want you
to tell everybody what you saw out there. This is
broad daylight, like in the afternoon, Puerto Rico. What did
you see out there over that lagoon where people have
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had all kinds of UFO Experiences.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Well, as I recall, you know, we were standing on
the little observation platform there that's kind of overlooking the
lagoon itself, and one of the other members of our
party spotted at first these little sort of balls of
light or whatever. Maybe it was some sort of a
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metallic sphere that was reflecting. It was really hard to
tell because the distance from us that we were seeing it,
and we all basically started filming and taking photos and
you know, try to get as capture as much of
this thing as we could, but it was really hard
to tell exactly what it was. And it was again,
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from what I could tell, it looked like almost a
little ball of some sort that was just kind of.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Dancing around the water a bit.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Oh right, yeah, So it's so it's right, yeah, right
on the surface there, and it's really not clear. I mean, sure,
it could be some weird reflection, but it looks a
little I mean, it just looks a little too strange
for that. It almost looks like it could be something
that's sort of under the water and maybe a little
bit of it sticking out, or it could just be
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a very small I don't know, maybe it's a small USO.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Well, a lot of the fishermen that we talked to,
we showed these pictures to them and they were like,
oh yeah, yeah, I've seen that million times. It's like
a little you can imagine it being like a metallic
little ball that's sort of like darting around the surface
of the lagoon. There, Na, right, and I saw it.
You saw it. The three people we are with saw it.
We all got footage of it. If any of you listening,
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if you want to see the pictures we're looking at
right now, go to this website that I created, and
it's a little outdated, but it's called eracboproject dot com
a r e Cibo Racibo project dot com that happened
to us. I got it right here, Eric on February
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the ninth of twenty fourteen, okay, twenty fourteen, Yeah, Lajas,
Puerto Rico. And it lasted for approximately thirty minutes. This
thing was bouncing around. Wow, But you told me that
that's not the only time you've seen something that might
be a UFO, right.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Right, Oh, yeah, there have been numerous times that I
have seen things that I really couldn't describe what it is.
Let's hear a story, Well, I guess the one that
probably stands out in my mind most vividly is a
time where I was driving back with my mom from
somewhere I don't remember, but we were. This was when
I used to live in Ohio, and a line of
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thunderstorms had come through the area, so it really cleared
up the sky and you know, was really very clear
except to the east where you could see the clouds
from the storms. Anyway, I was looking up at the
sky because it was just so interesting looking, and then
all of a sudden, out of thin air, a red
looking ball of light appeared in the sky and it
(34:01):
just stayed. It just stayed in place. And as I
was watching it, a second ball appeared kind of a
little bit further in a line from it, and then
a little bit after that, a third, and then a fourth,
and I believe even a fifth ball appeared, And these
were all little red balls of light that made a
(34:24):
perfectly straight line in the sky, and they were all
equid distant from there. They appeared to be equid distant
from each other. And so I watched these things around
it seemed to be several minutes, and they didn't move
or anything. I mean, they just stayed in, you know,
in place in the sky, and eventually they started to
(34:46):
disappear one by one. And also we were starting to
drive out of the area, but we were driving in
a part of Ohio that's a fairly flat lot of
farm land, so you know, not a lot of objects
to obstruct the view you or anything like that. So
I was able to really keep my eyes on these
objects for you know, probably at least fifteen or twenty
(35:06):
minutes as we were driving through through this area. And so, yeah,
I've never never really seen much of anything else like
that where these things, you know, I mean, because usually
if it's a plane or helicopter or something else, you know,
it's got movement to it, you know, some kind of
linear movement or whatever. And these things did not move
at all. They just were like hovering in place. But
(35:27):
it was just a single like a single what appeared
to be a single point of light from each thing.
Not like again when you see a helicopter or a
plane that have beacons on them that flash. This wasn't
doing anything like that.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
So I'm not sure what it was, but you know,
maybe it was the aliens hard as hell, you know,
one thing that is so I think admirable about you
and your work is that, even though you have been
on so many paranormal investigations, you've worked on so many
paronrmal TV shows and movies, you're not one of these
(36:03):
guys who's out there telling about one hundred paranormal experiences
that you've had. You know, you're very reserved and you
do your best to be a skeptical person. You're not
out there. You're not cynical, you're not doubting that these
things are real, but you have a very balanced perspective
in terms of like how to rationally view what may
(36:24):
or may not be an explanation. And going back to
the White House Ghost photo. Okay, so I've got here
that video pulled up that we did, and anybody, if
you've never seen this, if you just go to Joshua
Pwarren dot com and you click the section called Gallery
of the Strange, you're going to find a lot of
good stuff there, and one of them is a link
(36:46):
that says click here for Warren's special video report on
the White House Ghost Photo. Now, without getting too technical, here,
when we went around and talked to some of the
best experts photographic experts in Washington, DC. They were saying that, well,
maybe it was possible that this could be some type
(37:09):
of a long exposure, so that you end up with
a picture of these guys who are on a construction
site in the baby in the basement of the White House,
and just about everybody else is in focus, but there's
one guy is out of focus, and so maybe somehow
he was moving or whatever. But the problem is he
(37:32):
doesn't look blurry, right, it doesn't look like he was moving,
and it's a very well lit construction scene, right, And
without having the exact type of camera and film and
knowing for a fact the settings that Abby Rowe was using,
the photographer, you try to reproduce that those conditions to
(37:55):
see if you could create something like this using a
long exposure, what would your conclusion. That seems like a
good place for a break. When we come back, we
will get his conclusion and we will have the conclusion
of this show. You know, this is a good example
I think of how that you know, I wanted to
go for many years to the White House to investigate
(38:18):
the ghost standing there in that photo under the Lincoln bedroom.
But now, as I said earlier in this podcast. I mean,
politics has become such a dark business. I don't even
know if I want to go into the White House anymore,
because if you do that, people are going to assume
(38:39):
that you have one alliance or another. It's kind of sad.
I'm Joshua Pee Warren. You're listening to Strange Things on
the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast SAM Paranormal Podcast Network,
and I will be right back. Don't go anywhere. There's
(39:04):
more Strange Things coming right up.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Hi, this is Wuija Board expert Karen A. Dolman, and
you're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Hi, this is George Norian. You're listening to the new
iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Now
let's get back to Strange Things with Joshua P. Warre.
(40:09):
Welcome back to the final segment of this edition of
Strange Things the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast a M
Paranormal Podcast Network. I am your host, Joshua P. Warren,
And here is the conclusion of my recent conversation with
mister c Eric Scott. What was your conclusion?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
I mean, we're just looking at the original photograph and
knowing what I know about, you know, creating long exposure photographs.
In order for that to be what caused, you know,
in order for a long exposure to be what caused
the image in the White House to turn out.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
The way that it did, you would have, you know,
none of the other men would have remained.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
A focused because I mean, it's it's really hard to
stand still for any length of time. I mean, I'm
sure that you know, anytime you've ever tried to take
a photo in a low light condition without a flash,
most cameras that have automatic settings on them will try
to compensate for the low light by holding their shutter
open longer to allow more light to expose for the photograph.
(41:19):
What happens, then, is if you've got anybody moving in
that photo, you know that they turn out blurry or
streaky or whatever. Sure, you can see through part of them,
but usually you can't see through all of them. Like,
so the part that was maybe moving, you can, like
if they waved an arm or whatever, you'll see a
little bit, but the rest of them typically ends up
(41:39):
being solid. Well, in the case of that white House photo,
that figure appears to be completely translucent and not moving.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Yes. And the other thing is the men that are the.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Construction workers that are in there are also appear to
be standing perfectly still.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
You know.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Again, if you're doing a long exposure, even if they
were told to stand still, they're probably going to move
a little bit and you're going to be able to
see some blurry edges or something around the other people
in there, and you don't really see that. So that's
what leads me to believe that it probably is not
a long exposure photograph that we're looking at. You know,
(42:23):
we did try to recreate it, and we you know,
using some different techniques, and we weren't able to come,
you know, up with anything that looked identical or even
similar to what they came up with.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
So here's the kicker, And I will never understand this,
but to me, this is the smoking gun that proves
that we are correct that this cannot be explained as
a long exposure. We spent months working on this photograph.
You even after we filmed in DC, you came down
to Puerto Rico, where I was living at the time,
and we actually edited the video in Puerto Rico. We
(42:57):
were so fixated on the image of the ghost that
we put our whole video together, put it out to
the world and did not even realize until somebody saw
this video that there is another image in the photograph
(43:20):
lower down of a workman who looks a little bit
blurry because he happens to be taking a step as
the picture is made. And the wonderful thing about that
man being there is you can see he is literally
in the process of taking a step, and you can
(43:43):
see where he began and where he ended, and that
exposure could not be longer than two seconds at the most.
It is impossible to explain how you could get an
exposure longer than two seconds with that man and those positions.
And therefore what that means is that if he is
(44:04):
not blurred more than one step, and it proves this
image was not exposed more than one to two seconds,
a long exposure could not be an explanation for the
translucent ghostly figure. Why doesn't this man also look translucent, right, Well, yeah,
that would be him. So we really ought to do
(44:26):
a follow up video after all these years where we
say here's the update. You know, we literally do an
updated version, and I guess I could just do that
on my own, just show the picture and just do
a voiceover and post it again, because there are a
lot of people who don't realize that this was something
(44:46):
that I mean, I'll never understand how we overlooked that
when we were here. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
Yeah, well I guess because looking at it, it really
kind of blends in with that pile of rubble. So yeah,
you know, and the looks like the clothing that the
guy is wearing is very light colored, so he just
kind of like was almost camouflaged.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Yeah, so that, you know, that's a really interesting thing
about about that project. So next thing I want to
touch on here you have you were you were the
person who shot the original Wishing Machine video that we did. Gosh,
(45:24):
I don't even know how many years ago. See, I'm
I'm on my computer. I gotta look at all this
stuff up now, Like when did we do this? When
when I got together with doctor Malder and we decided
that we were going to start promoting the Wishing Machine project,
meaning that we were he was going to start making
these and we were going to make them affordable. We
(45:45):
were going to start keeping track of people's results and
trying to figure out how all this works. Okay, that
was ten years ago. Okay according to YouTube, and uh
so that video, the very first one, is ten minutes long.
It's been viewed by you know, like thousands of thouars,
(46:05):
like eighty nine thousand people, it says, right here, just
that one version of it.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
But you.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Have continued filming wishing machine stuff. You filmed also the
Wishing Machine Workshop movie, right which is like a two
hour movie that anybody can watch for free right now
if you go to Wishingmachine project dot com. But you
used the wishing machine, you've had some extraordinary experiences. Tell
(46:36):
us about a wishing machine experience you've had.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
We don't know. I'm afraid that you know, if I
tell this, everybody's going to go out and buy one
and minute, you know it's going to kind o no.
But seriously, you know, of course, what's the first thing
that everybody thinks of when a wishing machine? Well, what
can I do with this?
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Well, everybody wants to get money.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
Right, So here here is a story that it really
happened that will make you sell out of wishing machines
almost instantly. So I thought it would be fun to
try one of the small units that you produced called
the field X machine, and I already have like a
full size machine that I just leave set up permanently
for stuff. But with the small field X machine, it's
(47:20):
really nicely sized so that you can take it and
experiment with it, you know, different places, which is great
because it'll even run off of a nine volt battery,
which hey, how great is that? So anyway, I bought
this thing and decided to go to a casino and
try it, because hey, why not. So I set the
thing up, left it in my car in the garage
(47:41):
of the casino that I went to, and went in there,
probably played for a few hours and ended up ultimately
winning a nice jackpot, and it was a taxable jackpot,
so I mean, anybody who's gambled in a casino knows
that when it's a taxable, I mean, it's a significant
(48:02):
enough amount of money that they have to come over
and actually hand pay you exactly, so so you know,
I can say that it was a successful test. And
then the very next night I went to a different casino,
and this time though, because this other casino is very
close to my house, I just set the thing up
(48:24):
and left it in my apartment. Basically you know, and
because I was like, well, let's see if distance makes
a difference, because I also just didn't feel like trying
to drag it along put the car anyway, So I
put it in the you know, set it up in
my bedroom and left, basically using very similar setup to
what I had done the night before when I set
it up in the in the car. And I'll be
(48:45):
damned if I didn't walk out of that other casino
with I didn't. It wasn't a jackpot, but I did
end up leaving several hundred dollars ahead. So I mean
that's you know, two nights in a row using a
wishing machine. I mean that seems like pretty good results.
And I noticed that now that you've traveled here to
Las Vegas, you packed your wishing machine and brought it
(49:08):
with you. I did. I did because why not experiment
and one of the greatest, you know, laboratories in the world, right,
I mean, you can do all kinds of interesting stuff
here in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
And people ask me frequently, am I going to have
a problem with the TSA if I bring my wishing
machine on a trip? And absolutely not. I've traveled all
over the place with a wishing machine even to other countries.
But I think the clearest example of this is I
have a good friend who, well for a long time,
was one of the supervisors two at the TSA, and
(49:44):
I was talking to him about people concerned about traveling
with the wishing machine and he goes, no, we know
what that is. He says, we have it in our
handbook because it's not a threat. He says, well, he says,
every electronic device is basically just a case with wires
in it. My wishing machine is no different. You know.
As a matter of fact, we love them because they're
even easier to look into. We can do we can
(50:07):
see what's in there, So don't worry if you're traveling
about bringing your wishing machine. Unfortunately we are out of time,
but I want to thank mister c Eric Scott for
all of his years of great friendship and for sitting
down for this conversation. Also, he does food reviews on
his YouTube channel. Go to c Ericscott dot com. There
(50:31):
is no period after the C and that C E
R I C S C O T T C Eric
Scott dot com. Also years ago, he and I made
a comedy in Puerto Rico called The Commodore, starring the
two of us. I gotta warn you the languages are
rated and it's it's it's not the greatest movie, but
(50:54):
if you want to see it, go to commodoremovie dot com,
Commodore movie dot com, Commodore movie dot com. That's it
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Speaker 1 (01:09):
I am JOSHUAE Warren, and each week on this show,
I'll be bringing you brand new mind blowing content, news exercises,
and weird experiments you can do at home, and a
lot more on this edition of the show Weird Adventures
with see Eric Scott. I have known producer see Eric
(01:32):
Scott for twenty two years and we have worked on
so many paranormal TV shows and movies that I can't
even name them all. Well, recently he visited me here
in Las Vegas and we sat down for a face
to face conversation. You are going to hear that conversation soon.
(01:55):
But first, right up front, I want to tell you
about a weird experience I had while Eric was here
in town. All right, listen to this, I, your humble host,
was recently kicked out. That's right, kicked out of a
(02:15):
celebrity event here in Las Vegas. Can you believe that?
You know what a nice, courteous, respectful man I am,
and yet I was kicked out. So before I tell
you this story, let me ask you to guess who
that celebrity might be.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I know that's a hard one, and you should realize
it wasn't actually the celebrity that demanded I be removed.
It was a couple of goombas, goons, henchmen. And this
story actually has a twist ending, but it did. It
ticked me off for a few days and you'll see why.
(03:00):
Oh okay, are you ready? Here's what happened recently. Laren
and I were hanging out on a Friday night with
Eric in a nice casino on the outskirts of Vegas,
and when we got there earlier in the night, we
had seen these generic nondescript signs here and there saying
(03:21):
filming in progress. But I saw no actual indications of
any filming, and so we just sort of ignored the
whole thing. We had a full night of gambling, and
then we went to a restaurant to get some food
to go. At that point, it was after one in
the morning, and as we were actually walking out of
(03:41):
the casino on our way to leave with our to
go food in the bags, this random young man just
ran up to us, excited as heck. This guy was
probably in his twenties, he had a goateee, and he
just showed us his phone and exclaimed to us, we
are just completely complete strangers. He said, look, I just
(04:03):
got a picture with Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan and Dana
White are over in the high Limit section right now,
and this guy was flipping out like he'd met Santa Claus. Now.
The high Limit section was right there next to us,
and I said, Joe Rogan is in there, and he said, yeah, yeah,
(04:23):
he's taking pictures with everybody now. If you don't know,
Joe Rogan has one of the most popular podcasts in
the world, and he is a controversial figure. A lot
of people don't agree with his views, but I've always
enjoyed his interviews, and I think he's a person who
stands up for free speech because he has maintained his
(04:44):
independence even when a lot of the legacy mainstream media
has tried to censor him. So whether or not I
agree with everything he says, I admire that he is
a champion for free speech. And Dana White is the
man in charge of the UFC the Ultimate Fighting Championship.
(05:04):
Now that's that's cool, But I'm personally, I'm just really
not much of a UFC guy. So I told Lauren
and Eric, well, if Joe Rogan's right in there, I'd
like to pop in to the High Limits area and
just say hello to Joe Rogan. And neither Lauren or
Eric wanted to go, so they held my food and
I said, okay, I'll be back in just a little bit.
(05:27):
So I walked into the High Limits area and there
was a room toward the back that had two men
in suits standing at either side like they might be
guards possibly, And I figured Joe Rogan might be in
that back room, and so if they didn't want me there,
these guys in suits would just stop me and tell
me they didn't want me. But but they just smiled.
(05:49):
So you know, I just walked right in, and sure
enough there was Joe Rogan and Dana White standing in
front of a card table watching a game with a
small crowd around them. So it was pretty cool right
off the bat to see them in the flesh. They
looked exactly like they do on TV, even though I
(06:10):
must say they're quite a bit shorter than me. And
there there was one guy I saw in the corner
who was filming stuff, but that was it. I mean,
this did not look at all like an actual TV
set or anything. Goodness knows. I've been on a zillion
TV sets, and it just looked to me like they
had possibly some bets down and they were gambling. I
(06:34):
don't know what exactly was going on, so I just
stood there and watched for a few minutes. It really
didn't look like much was going on at all. Frankly,
there were all these intimidating looking men in dark suits
standing around, but I thought maybe they were just like
casino security or something, since I presumed if Joe Rogan
(06:54):
and Dana White were there, maybe they were betting, you know,
some big stakes. Perhaps I don't know. Nobody's said anything.
There was nothing to indicate at all what was going on.
So at one point Joe Rogan didn't have too many
folks around him, and he was just kind of looking
at the table. So I figured i'd say hello, and
I said, mister Rogan, I'm Joshua Warren and I enjoy
(07:16):
your podcast and I want to thank you for standing
up for free speech. And he shook my hand and
said thank you, and you know, he was cordial, and
that was it. And so, you know, then some other
people came up and started talking to him. And I
continued watching this whole scenario because again, it didn't look
like that there was like like a TV shoot going on,
(07:38):
and I was kind of curious as to what was happening,
and he was just chatting with people, kind of knocking around.
It didn't look to me like he was working. So
at some point Dana White walked to the other side
of the room and most of the people followed Dana White.
So now there were even less people around Joe Rogan. Well,
(07:59):
of course, I had been on my way out the
door to begin with, you know, heading out with with
Lauren and Eric, when I realized that Joe Rogan was
even there, and I was thinking about, like, well, Lauren
and Eric are waiting for me outside, like, what's cool?
What's he doing in there? Come on, Joshua. So, I mean,
I was kind of in a hurry and I needed
to run, but you know, I figured I would just
(08:20):
ask Joe Rogan one more question, actually just a question.
I had to ask him anything, but I just figured
i'd ask him a question before I left. I mean,
he was standing right there in front of me, a
real human being, just like any other normal human being
in a casino. And I said to him, quote, I
(08:40):
host a podcast for Coast to Coast AM. Would you
be interested in being interviewed? End quote? And as soon
as I said I work for Coast to Coast AM,
a guy in a dark suit began stepping between me
and Joe Rogan and he said something smart You're like,
(09:00):
that's it, and Rogan said no. And as soon as
Rogan said no, another man in a suit stepped between
me and Rogan, and the men in suits told me
to leave and showed me the door. And even though
Joe Rogan did not ask me to leave, he watched
(09:21):
this happen and he did not say a word about it.
And I mean, you know, once he said no. I
would have just said okay, I understand, thank you, and
that would have been the end of it. They didn't
have to kick me out of the room. Though to
say that was an overreaction is an understatement. So apparently
(09:43):
saying I was with the media was a big no no.
I guess.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
That's all I can figure is you know that that's
what happened. And frankly, you could even argue whether or
not it was legal for them to kick me out
of the room. For one thing, I don't know who
these people were. They did not identify themselves as casino employees.
And there was a law in Nevada that says that
if there is an area where gambling is taking place,
(10:08):
you must make it equally available to all. That law
exists because if you have an area with the machine
and you say, hey, that's Joshua's machine, only Joshua gets
to play it, well, then guess who's gonna eventually hit
the jackpot one day? Joshua is all right, So that
is a law on the books. But then there are
also laws saying like casinos can ban you from the
(10:29):
property if they don't like this or that. But again,
I don't know who these people were. These fellas never
even identified themselves. I had no idea who they were,
but regardless, I was ready to leave anyway, And it
really wasn't that big of a deal to me. Like
you say, all I did was ask another human being
standing next to me whether or not he would be
interested in being interviewed on my show, and this is
(10:50):
the reaction I got from those around him. So of course,
without hesitation, I left that area. I even gambled a
little bit on the other section of the high limits
room with no problem, and then I emerged to tell
Lauren and Eric, well, I met Joke Rogan. I shook
his hand. We had a friendly exchange. But when I
(11:11):
ask if he would consider being interviewed on my podcast,
the guys in there kick me out. Lauren said, I'm
so glad I didn't go in there. I would have
been horrified. And I said, well, look, I'm not happy.
You know, I'm miffed. That was uncalled for, and honestly
it left a bad taste in my mouth. But when
we come back from this break, there is a twist
(11:33):
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where every day is golden and every night is silver
Adia tat dozume. So so we're, you know, we're we're
walking out of the casino, of course, and I looked
back and I thought, you know, I don't hold it
against Joe Rogan since he did not personally kick me out,
(14:50):
but I do think if it had been the other
way around, if I had been in his position, I
would have told these guys not a okay, you don't
have to throw him out. But anyway, you know, I
didn't know. I didn't know the big picture, I didn't
even know what the heck was going on, and so
(15:11):
you know, I left pretty confused and kind of ticked off.
So now here, I guess, is the twist ending. Perhaps,
So this whole thing that I just told you about
happened on a Friday night. Technically it was like a
Saturday morning, because this is like, you know, almost two
(15:32):
o'clock in the morning, Saturday morning. So the following Sunday
I checked the news and found out that that very
next day after my experience that Saturday, Donald Trump had
popped up as a surprise at UFC to ninety. That's
(15:57):
the big fighting event right down the road in Las Vegas,
and Donald Trump was with Dana White and Joe Rogan
and all of these other celebs were there. And then
I realized, oh, there was a very good chance that
the guys who kicked me out of the room the
(16:17):
night before were Secret Service agents because they were preparing
for this big Trump event hours away that was being
kept a secret with these two guys that I was with,
Joe Rogan and Dana White, and for all I know,
even Donald Trump may have been nearby. And if I
(16:40):
had known that Joe Rogan was in that room as
part of a political event. Perhaps I would have never
entered because throughout my life, whenever I have come into
contact with the Secret Service and the circle of individuals
who surround presidential figures, regardless of the party, it's always
(17:02):
dark and negative. There's like this aggressive cloud and paranoia,
and I just want no part of it. So I
guess the bottom line is that I guess you again.
To recap, I was already ready to leave. I was
walking out the door. An excited stranger ran up and said, Hey,
(17:22):
Joe Rogan's in there. Look he's meeting people and taking pics.
So I went in there and ended up having this
experience where I was kicked out? Why did that happen
to me?
Speaker 3 (17:35):
You know?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
What was what was I supposed to learn from that?
I could have just gone home and been none the wiser.
But why did the universe want me to experience that
odd thing?
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I do not know.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Maybe it will make more sense at some point, and
it'll become something positive at some point, but for now,
it's just outright weird. I thought I was just being nice,
but there's the reality. So that is my story about
recently being kicked out of a celebrity event. What do
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you think of that? All right, let's get on to
the feature presentation, shall we see. Eric Scott is originally
from Ohio. He went to college in North Carolina where
we met, and he now lives in Washington, DC. For
more than two decades, we have worked on so many
paranormal projects I truly cannot remember them all. We camped
(18:35):
at Brown Mountain many times looking for the mysterious lights.
We made the video report about the White House ghost Photo.
We made the video report about Oufos and Puerto Rico.
We traveled the country just the two of us, making
segments for an entire season of paranormal Paparazzi on the
Travel Channel. We worked on the Warner Brothers horror movie
(18:58):
called The Apparition. I mean, the list just goes on
and on. And when he recently visited me at my
new house in Vegas, we decided to just sit down, relax,
and shoot the breeze about some of our wild experiences.
And here, my friends, is that conversation. All right? I'm
(19:21):
sitting here in my kitchen, next to my swimming pool,
in the warm evening in Las Vegas, Nevada, with my
old buddy, mister c Eric Scott, and I think we're
starting a bit of a tradition here because when I
interviewed Forrest Connor, who was the very first person to
(19:44):
be interviewed face to face in my home, which is
an extremely rare occasion, we were having a single malt
scotch and lo and behold when you showed up, you
brought a b beautiful single malt scotch where you can
probably tell we're having it right now tonight we're having
(20:05):
it on the rocks with a splash of water to
wake it up a little bit. This is Mortlocke single
malt scotch whiskey, aged twelve years. Well, what a gift.
Welcome to my kitchen, mister c Eric Scott. Cheers, Yes,
thank you. Cheers. You know what, when I was in Transylvania.
(20:29):
In Romania, they taught me that they say cheers by
saying oh okay, which basically means to your health. It's
the same kind of thing, right, So that's let's do
the Transylvanian version. Yeah, it's a spooky show man. What
a day we've had. You took me and Lauren out
(20:51):
for a fantastic dinner at a fine restaurant. We even
went out for some ice cream afterwards.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
We did.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
And when we finish up this this little talk and
these drinks, we're gonna go out. We're gonna chill in
the pool. We have a couple of cigars. We're just
trying our best to make everybody out there jealous right now.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Right, it's like the you know, the old rich men
on the Titanic, except you know, things didn't end well
for them, so hopefully that will not.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Happen to us.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
My pool's only five and a half feet deep, right, yes,
but yes, of course you can remember the scene where
they're like, oh, let's go to the parlor for a
cigar and brandy. You know. So we're we're doing a
little different with the scotch, but still, you know, we
hopefully will not be sinking anywhere.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
You have worked on a lot of paranormal projects. First off,
just so everyone knows, you have been working in filmmaking
and TV production the vast majority of your life, especially
your adult life. More or less, you're a professional photographer
as well, and that's a really special combo to know
(21:58):
how imagery works when it both captured still and moving
two different worlds. And you've got to bring them together,
especially when you're trying to capture and analyze mysterious things. Right,
So now we figured out that we'd known each other
for twenty two years, and tell everybody how we met
(22:19):
twenty two years ago.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Well, I mean, interestingly enough, it was through one of
my college roommates who was looking into trying to produce
a documentary or a series of documentaries on North Carolina
ghost lore. And so he originally tried to team up
with an investigation group based out of Rawleigh, and he
(22:43):
met with them a couple times, but they it was
weird because they never showed him any of their footage
or they would just get together and talk about stuff,
but they never showed him anything. And so we know
he kept trying to arrange for us to go and
document one of their investigations, and they kept dragging their feet.
So he finally just got tired of dealing with them
(23:04):
and sought somebody else out in North Carolina and found
your website and and everything about Lemur, your investigation team,
and so he contacted you and you guys started a
dialogue and we eventually made arrangements to come to Asheville
and follow you on an investigation of the Growth Park
(23:25):
in where we were, of course looking for the world
famous Pink Lady, and you know, we set up meters
and different things in the in her famous room there,
which was what the five forty five, and then we
just kind of followed you guys around and you know,
(23:45):
got all kinds of crazy footage throughout that amazing historic property.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
And you know what, Eric, I wasn't going to bring
this up, but what the heck, maybe I'll edit it out.
I just remember on one of our our investigations back
in those early days. Do you know where I'm going
with this? Not exactly. So one night, you and your
colleague and the Lemur team and I we were all there,
(24:11):
and we had a bunch of people from the mainstream
media that were also there documenting our investigation, and we
were all crowded in room five forty five, and one
of our Lemur investigators said he had some paranormal footage
that he wanted to show, and so all the media
was standing there with a baited breath, and they're watching
(24:31):
his computer screen and he hits the button and a
Hume movie pops up. But it was in night vision,
so it looked paranormal for a moment, right, This was
a whole movie that was not meant for public display,
I don't think. And I've never seen a man scramble
(24:54):
and sweat so fast or try to shield the screen
for that matter, and maybe five seconds and five seconds
is a long time under such circumstances. Five seconds later
we finally get to the orb footage, and nobody said
a word, right, yeah, everyone, I think was just trying
(25:16):
not to say anything, because what does one say in
a moment such as that, where you've just seen, well,
some questionable footage has nothing to do with paranormal.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
And less well, maybe there was a ghost in there somewhere.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I don't know, you know, maybe all right, time for
a break, as I think you can see, this conversation
could go anywhere. I'm Joshua pe One. You're listening to
strange things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am
Paranormal Podcast Network, and I will be back after these
important messages. Don't go anywhere. There's more strange things coming
(26:03):
right up. Hey, it's not your sky, and you're listening
to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Aronormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
And we're back with Strange Things and Joshua P.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Warren, Welcome back to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and
(27:05):
Coast am para normal podcast network. I am your host,
Joshua P. Warren, and this is the show where the
unusual becomes usual. And now back to my conversation with
ce Eric Scott. Okay, So you and I, after all
these years, we have worked together on so many projects
(27:28):
that it's impossible to remember off the top of my head.
So i have my laptop in front of me and
I'm just kind of scrolling down and I'm just looking
at TV shows and stuff and like, oh, yeah, Eric
was there for that. Eric was there for that. You know,
we shot this, we produced this, and even looking at
the list, it's intimidating. So we're only going to be
(27:50):
able to focus on a few things. But I guess
some of the highlights are okay. Well, for one thing,
you spent a lot of time with us over many
years camping up at Brown Mountain. We were writing a
lot of Brown Mountain Lights research up there, and then
as time went on and we started getting more and
(28:10):
more opportunities to work with with movies and TV. You
also worked with the Apparition movie on for you know,
Warner Brothers came and they hired me to be a
tech consultant for the Apparition horror movie, and then we
worked together on that. We've done so many TV shows together,
but we actually were we created a team, a two
(28:35):
man team for the Travel Channel TV series called Paranormal Paparazzi.
They gave us basically a blank check and sent the
two of us on this epic journey across the United
States of America to just they We had some things
(28:55):
that we had to check off the list that we
had to do, but you and I wanted to really
press the producers, and so we went above and beyond
and we just started creating a lot of our own content, right,
shooting our own segments as well.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Well. Heck, we even did our own re enactments for
some of the things, which we've posted online.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yes, that's true somewhere on YouTube. And we of course,
well you live in Washington, d C.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Right, And so.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
I don't know what year it was off the top
of my head, but I went up. Do you know
I'm talking about the ghost photo, the world's wildest ghost photo?
Oh yeah, I think I was around twenty fifteen, I think,
I think you're right. Yeah, So sometime around then I
traveled up to visit you and stay with you in Washington, DC,
and we traveled all over the place and talked to
everybody we could possibly talk to to try to figure
(29:47):
out the truth behind the so called ghost photo from
the White House basement. What maybe the ghost of Abraham
Lincoln standing below the location of the Lincoln Bedroom, which
actually was the war room during the Civil War. But
(30:07):
I think some of the more interesting experiences that we
may have had dealt with Puerto Rico. Yeah, probably Puerto Rico. Probably.
So you know, when we were in Puerto Rico, we
filmed a lot of stuff there. I mean there were
times you come down and stay for like a month
at a time or something like that, right, right, And
(30:29):
I remember one day you and I we were with
some friends and we went out to the Laguna Carctahena,
the Ufo Lagoon, And as a filmmaker, I want you
to tell everybody what you saw out there. This is
broad daylight, like in the afternoon, Puerto Rico. What did
you see out there over that lagoon where people have
(30:52):
had all kinds of UFO Experiences.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Well, as I recall, you know, we were standing on
the little observation platform there that's kind of overlooking the
lagoon itself, and one of the other members of our
party spotted at first these little sort of balls of
light or whatever. Maybe it was some sort of a
(31:18):
metallic sphere that was reflecting. It was really hard to
tell because the distance from us that we were seeing it,
and we all basically started filming and taking photos and
you know, try to get as capture as much of
this thing as we could, but it was really hard
to tell exactly what it was. And it was again,
(31:41):
from what I could tell, it looked like almost a
little ball of some sort that was just kind of.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Dancing around the water a bit.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Oh right, yeah, So it's so it's right, yeah, right
on the surface there, and it's really not clear. I mean, sure,
it could be some weird reflection, but it looks a
little I mean, it just looks a little too strange
for that. It almost looks like it could be something
that's sort of under the water and maybe a little
bit of it sticking out, or it could just be
(32:10):
a very small I don't know, maybe it's a small USO.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Well, a lot of the fishermen that we talked to,
we showed these pictures to them and they were like,
oh yeah, yeah, I've seen that million times. It's like
a little you can imagine it being like a metallic
little ball that's sort of like darting around the surface
of the lagoon. There, Na, right, and I saw it.
You saw it. The three people we are with saw it.
We all got footage of it. If any of you listening,
(32:37):
if you want to see the pictures we're looking at
right now, go to this website that I created, and
it's a little outdated, but it's called eracboproject dot com
a r e Cibo Racibo project dot com that happened
to us. I got it right here, Eric on February
(32:58):
the ninth of twenty fourteen, okay, twenty fourteen, Yeah, Lajas,
Puerto Rico. And it lasted for approximately thirty minutes. This
thing was bouncing around. Wow, But you told me that
that's not the only time you've seen something that might
be a UFO, right.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Right, Oh, yeah, there have been numerous times that I
have seen things that I really couldn't describe what it is.
Let's hear a story, Well, I guess the one that
probably stands out in my mind most vividly is a
time where I was driving back with my mom from
somewhere I don't remember, but we were. This was when
I used to live in Ohio, and a line of
(33:37):
thunderstorms had come through the area, so it really cleared
up the sky and you know, was really very clear
except to the east where you could see the clouds
from the storms. Anyway, I was looking up at the
sky because it was just so interesting looking, and then
all of a sudden, out of thin air, a red
looking ball of light appeared in the sky and it
(34:01):
just stayed. It just stayed in place. And as I
was watching it, a second ball appeared kind of a
little bit further in a line from it, and then
a little bit after that, a third, and then a fourth,
and I believe even a fifth ball appeared, And these
were all little red balls of light that made a
(34:24):
perfectly straight line in the sky, and they were all
equid distant from there. They appeared to be equid distant
from each other. And so I watched these things around
it seemed to be several minutes, and they didn't move
or anything. I mean, they just stayed in, you know,
in place in the sky, and eventually they started to
(34:46):
disappear one by one. And also we were starting to
drive out of the area, but we were driving in
a part of Ohio that's a fairly flat lot of
farm land, so you know, not a lot of objects
to obstruct the view you or anything like that. So
I was able to really keep my eyes on these
objects for you know, probably at least fifteen or twenty
(35:06):
minutes as we were driving through through this area. And so, yeah,
I've never never really seen much of anything else like
that where these things, you know, I mean, because usually
if it's a plane or helicopter or something else, you know,
it's got movement to it, you know, some kind of
linear movement or whatever. And these things did not move
at all. They just were like hovering in place. But
(35:27):
it was just a single like a single what appeared
to be a single point of light from each thing.
Not like again when you see a helicopter or a
plane that have beacons on them that flash. This wasn't
doing anything like that.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
So I'm not sure what it was, but you know,
maybe it was the aliens hard as hell, you know,
one thing that is so I think admirable about you
and your work is that, even though you have been
on so many paranormal investigations, you've worked on so many
paronrmal TV shows and movies, you're not one of these
(36:03):
guys who's out there telling about one hundred paranormal experiences
that you've had. You know, you're very reserved and you
do your best to be a skeptical person. You're not
out there. You're not cynical, you're not doubting that these
things are real, but you have a very balanced perspective
in terms of like how to rationally view what may
(36:24):
or may not be an explanation. And going back to
the White House Ghost photo. Okay, so I've got here
that video pulled up that we did, and anybody, if
you've never seen this, if you just go to Joshua
Pwarren dot com and you click the section called Gallery
of the Strange, you're going to find a lot of
good stuff there, and one of them is a link
(36:46):
that says click here for Warren's special video report on
the White House Ghost Photo. Now, without getting too technical, here,
when we went around and talked to some of the
best experts photographic experts in Washington, DC. They were saying that, well,
maybe it was possible that this could be some type
(37:09):
of a long exposure, so that you end up with
a picture of these guys who are on a construction
site in the baby in the basement of the White House,
and just about everybody else is in focus, but there's
one guy is out of focus, and so maybe somehow
he was moving or whatever. But the problem is he
(37:32):
doesn't look blurry, right, it doesn't look like he was moving,
and it's a very well lit construction scene, right, And
without having the exact type of camera and film and
knowing for a fact the settings that Abby Rowe was using,
the photographer, you try to reproduce that those conditions to
(37:55):
see if you could create something like this using a
long exposure, what would your conclusion. That seems like a
good place for a break. When we come back, we
will get his conclusion and we will have the conclusion
of this show. You know, this is a good example
I think of how that you know, I wanted to
go for many years to the White House to investigate
(38:18):
the ghost standing there in that photo under the Lincoln bedroom.
But now, as I said earlier in this podcast. I mean,
politics has become such a dark business. I don't even
know if I want to go into the White House anymore,
because if you do that, people are going to assume
(38:39):
that you have one alliance or another. It's kind of sad.
I'm Joshua Pee Warren. You're listening to Strange Things on
the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast SAM Paranormal Podcast Network,
and I will be right back. Don't go anywhere. There's
(39:04):
more Strange Things coming right up.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Hi, this is Wuija Board expert Karen A. Dolman, and
you're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Hi, this is George Norian. You're listening to the new
iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Now
let's get back to Strange Things with Joshua P. Warre.
(40:09):
Welcome back to the final segment of this edition of
Strange Things the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast a M
Paranormal Podcast Network. I am your host, Joshua P. Warren,
And here is the conclusion of my recent conversation with
mister c Eric Scott. What was your conclusion?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
I mean, we're just looking at the original photograph and
knowing what I know about, you know, creating long exposure photographs.
In order for that to be what caused, you know,
in order for a long exposure to be what caused
the image in the White House to turn out.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
The way that it did, you would have, you know,
none of the other men would have remained.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
A focused because I mean, it's it's really hard to
stand still for any length of time. I mean, I'm
sure that you know, anytime you've ever tried to take
a photo in a low light condition without a flash,
most cameras that have automatic settings on them will try
to compensate for the low light by holding their shutter
open longer to allow more light to expose for the photograph.
(41:19):
What happens, then, is if you've got anybody moving in
that photo, you know that they turn out blurry or
streaky or whatever. Sure, you can see through part of them,
but usually you can't see through all of them. Like,
so the part that was maybe moving, you can, like
if they waved an arm or whatever, you'll see a
little bit, but the rest of them typically ends up
(41:39):
being solid. Well, in the case of that white House photo,
that figure appears to be completely translucent and not moving.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Yes. And the other thing is the men that are the.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Construction workers that are in there are also appear to
be standing perfectly still.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
You know.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Again, if you're doing a long exposure, even if they
were told to stand still, they're probably going to move
a little bit and you're going to be able to
see some blurry edges or something around the other people
in there, and you don't really see that. So that's
what leads me to believe that it probably is not
a long exposure photograph that we're looking at. You know,
(42:23):
we did try to recreate it, and we you know,
using some different techniques, and we weren't able to come,
you know, up with anything that looked identical or even
similar to what they came up with.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
So here's the kicker, And I will never understand this,
but to me, this is the smoking gun that proves
that we are correct that this cannot be explained as
a long exposure. We spent months working on this photograph.
You even after we filmed in DC, you came down
to Puerto Rico, where I was living at the time,
and we actually edited the video in Puerto Rico. We
(42:57):
were so fixated on the image of the ghost that
we put our whole video together, put it out to
the world and did not even realize until somebody saw
this video that there is another image in the photograph
(43:20):
lower down of a workman who looks a little bit
blurry because he happens to be taking a step as
the picture is made. And the wonderful thing about that
man being there is you can see he is literally
in the process of taking a step, and you can
(43:43):
see where he began and where he ended, and that
exposure could not be longer than two seconds at the most.
It is impossible to explain how you could get an
exposure longer than two seconds with that man and those positions.
And therefore what that means is that if he is
(44:04):
not blurred more than one step, and it proves this
image was not exposed more than one to two seconds,
a long exposure could not be an explanation for the
translucent ghostly figure. Why doesn't this man also look translucent, right, Well, yeah,
that would be him. So we really ought to do
(44:26):
a follow up video after all these years where we
say here's the update. You know, we literally do an
updated version, and I guess I could just do that
on my own, just show the picture and just do
a voiceover and post it again, because there are a
lot of people who don't realize that this was something
(44:46):
that I mean, I'll never understand how we overlooked that
when we were here. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
Yeah, well I guess because looking at it, it really
kind of blends in with that pile of rubble. So yeah,
you know, and the looks like the clothing that the
guy is wearing is very light colored, so he just
kind of like was almost camouflaged.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Yeah, so that, you know, that's a really interesting thing
about about that project. So next thing I want to
touch on here you have you were you were the
person who shot the original Wishing Machine video that we did. Gosh,
(45:24):
I don't even know how many years ago. See, I'm
I'm on my computer. I gotta look at all this
stuff up now, Like when did we do this? When
when I got together with doctor Malder and we decided
that we were going to start promoting the Wishing Machine project,
meaning that we were he was going to start making
these and we were going to make them affordable. We
(45:45):
were going to start keeping track of people's results and
trying to figure out how all this works. Okay, that
was ten years ago. Okay according to YouTube, and uh
so that video, the very first one, is ten minutes long.
It's been viewed by you know, like thousands of thouars,
(46:05):
like eighty nine thousand people, it says, right here, just
that one version of it.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
But you.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Have continued filming wishing machine stuff. You filmed also the
Wishing Machine Workshop movie, right which is like a two
hour movie that anybody can watch for free right now
if you go to Wishingmachine project dot com. But you
used the wishing machine, you've had some extraordinary experiences. Tell
(46:36):
us about a wishing machine experience you've had.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
We don't know. I'm afraid that you know, if I
tell this, everybody's going to go out and buy one
and minute, you know it's going to kind o no.
But seriously, you know, of course, what's the first thing
that everybody thinks of when a wishing machine? Well, what
can I do with this?
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Well, everybody wants to get money.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
Right, So here here is a story that it really
happened that will make you sell out of wishing machines
almost instantly. So I thought it would be fun to
try one of the small units that you produced called
the field X machine, and I already have like a
full size machine that I just leave set up permanently
for stuff. But with the small field X machine, it's
(47:20):
really nicely sized so that you can take it and
experiment with it, you know, different places, which is great
because it'll even run off of a nine volt battery,
which hey, how great is that? So anyway, I bought
this thing and decided to go to a casino and
try it, because hey, why not. So I set the
thing up, left it in my car in the garage
(47:41):
of the casino that I went to, and went in there,
probably played for a few hours and ended up ultimately
winning a nice jackpot, and it was a taxable jackpot,
so I mean, anybody who's gambled in a casino knows
that when it's a taxable, I mean, it's a significant
(48:02):
enough amount of money that they have to come over
and actually hand pay you exactly, so so you know,
I can say that it was a successful test. And
then the very next night I went to a different casino,
and this time though, because this other casino is very
close to my house, I just set the thing up
(48:24):
and left it in my apartment. Basically you know, and
because I was like, well, let's see if distance makes
a difference, because I also just didn't feel like trying
to drag it along put the car anyway, So I
put it in the you know, set it up in
my bedroom and left, basically using very similar setup to
what I had done the night before when I set
it up in the in the car. And I'll be
(48:45):
damned if I didn't walk out of that other casino
with I didn't. It wasn't a jackpot, but I did
end up leaving several hundred dollars ahead. So I mean
that's you know, two nights in a row using a
wishing machine. I mean that seems like pretty good results.
And I noticed that now that you've traveled here to
Las Vegas, you packed your wishing machine and brought it
(49:08):
with you. I did. I did because why not experiment
and one of the greatest, you know, laboratories in the world, right,
I mean, you can do all kinds of interesting stuff
here in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
And people ask me frequently, am I going to have
a problem with the TSA if I bring my wishing
machine on a trip? And absolutely not. I've traveled all
over the place with a wishing machine even to other countries.
But I think the clearest example of this is I
have a good friend who, well for a long time,
was one of the supervisors two at the TSA, and
(49:44):
I was talking to him about people concerned about traveling
with the wishing machine and he goes, no, we know
what that is. He says, we have it in our
handbook because it's not a threat. He says, well, he says,
every electronic device is basically just a case with wires
in it. My wishing machine is no different. You know.
As a matter of fact, we love them because they're
even easier to look into. We can do we can
(50:07):
see what's in there, So don't worry if you're traveling
about bringing your wishing machine. Unfortunately we are out of time,
but I want to thank mister c Eric Scott for
all of his years of great friendship and for sitting
down for this conversation. Also, he does food reviews on
his YouTube channel. Go to c Ericscott dot com. There
(50:31):
is no period after the C and that C E
R I C S C O T T C Eric
Scott dot com. Also years ago, he and I made
a comedy in Puerto Rico called The Commodore, starring the
two of us. I gotta warn you the languages are
rated and it's it's it's not the greatest movie, but
(50:54):
if you want to see it, go to commodoremovie dot com,
Commodore movie dot com, Commodore movie dot com. That's it
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(51:40):
Thank you for staying curious, and I will talk to
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