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Weird experiments you can do at home, and a lot
more on this edition of the show. Stigmatized Properties The facts.
That's right, just the facts, ma'am. Do you know what
a stigmatized property is? That is an official term for
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a location with a bad reputation And I'm going to
dig into that more deeply soon, But right off the bat,
when I think about this, given my background, it reminds
me of you know, growing up becoming a ghost hunter,
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and at some point hearing about this house in New
York that is considered the only legally haunted house in America.
And I know you're thinking, what what do you mean
legally haunted? It's interesting, isn't it. Well, let me explain here.
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There is an article I recently found about this topic
at realtor dot com. I'll just give you the first
paragraph or so. It says, uh, where's the beginning? Okay,
there we go. It says. Cynthia Aclee. Kavanaugh recalls sitting
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on her bed in her new home when the cord
to the light above began swinging in a way that
she had never seen before. It wasn't sloping in an
arc as it should. Instead, it was as if some
invisible force were playing ping pong with the pool switch.
The year was nineteen sixty seven. Her father had gotten
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a job in New York City, and the family had
recently traded their Maryland farm for a derelict Victorian just
north of New York City. Her parents, Helen and George Aclee,
were determined to restore the rundown forty two hundred square
foot house on the Hudson River, where they planned to
raise their four children. Built in eighteen ninety, the house
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had sat to vacant for seven years before the Acles
bought it, and during that time, neighborhood children would say
they saw faces in the windows. Over their two decades
in the home, the Acles would have many inexplicable experiences.
They heard mysterious footsteps and voices, doors and windows would
fly open on several occasions. They claimed they even received
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it's from peaceful spirits wearing clothes from centuries past. The
paranormal was just part and parcel of their new home.
There's a picture of this house in this article, and
it sure looks haunted. This article, by the way, is
by Claire Trepasso, and it goes on to say the
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Old Victorian would eventually achieve infamy. In the early nineteen nineties,
after the Aclies put it on the market, when the
buyers learned of the home's supernatural history, they tried to
back out of the deal to recover their deposit. They sued,
and the court for the first time established that a
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property was haunted in a published opinion. That opinion, colloquially
referred to as the Ghostbuster's ruling, established the Aclye residence
as the owner known legally haunted house in America. And then,
of course this article goes on to talk at great
length about the things that were happening in the house.
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But let's get to the point of this podcast. What
do you mean they a court determined this was a
legally haunted house. Well, here is how all that panned out,
because this goes back to this idea of a stigmatized property. Okay,
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So in that case, which was called Stambovski versus Aclie,
the New York Supreme Court Appellate Division affirmed a narrow
interpretation of the idea of stigmatized property. The court held
that since the property in question was previously marketed by
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the seller as a quote haunted house, he was a
stopped And that's a legal term, a stopped, which I'm
not a lawyer, but I believe that means you can't
renig on something that you've said before. He was a
stopped from claiming the contrary. The majority opinion specifically noted
that the veracity of the claims of paranormal activities were
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outside the purview of the opinion. Okay, So basically, here's
what I believe that means in plain language that at
some point in the past the people who own the
house had claimed in some notable way that the house
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was haunted. And so the court found that if you
claim that your house is haunted, then from a legal
standpoint in the real estate market, that makes it haunted,
and in some cases that has to be disclosed. So
it's not about the reality of the phenomenon, it's about
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the opinion that the owner has of the property that
the owner is trying to sell. That's really odd and
interesting on a number of levels, isn't it. It almost
borders on the Tulpa thing, like can you make your
property haunted by just saying it's haunted? But okay, but
let me look at myself here. Okay, so you know,
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I have this house that I bought a little over
a year ago here in Las Vegas. Now, I do
not believe this house is haunted. As a matter of fact,
I would not live in a haunted house because I
don't like surprises. If I go to a haunted house,
that's work for me. Okay. Here, I also feel like,
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you know, if you're in a haunted place, it's almost
like an invasion of privacy or there's something looming over you.
So I do not live in a haunted house. I have, however,
had ghostly things happen in this house if I bring
in certain objects and stuff, and you know, I've mentioned
that before, like, for example, the the FDR wheelchair. But regardless,
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So does that mean, however, you know I've gotten on
the radio and I've said, like, there has been ghostly
activity in my house. Does that mean that if I
ever wanted to sell this house, that I would have
to make a point to bring up to the buyer
that ghostly things have happened here, Because in some cases
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that would be completely weird and out of the blue
and inappropriate. Probably in most cases. Actually, Now, of course,
I'm kind of a crazy guy. So when I was,
you know, with my realtor and we were looking at
this house, I said, so, just tell me, you know,
straight up, has there ever been a dead body in
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the attic or anything like? Has anybody has anything crazy
happened here?
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No?
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Nothing has. That's one of the things about living in
Las Vegas. A lot of the real estate around here
is quite New Vegas as we know, it didn't even
start really appearing until the nineteen forties. You know, but
nonetheless would I have to do that? Well, in a second,
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I'm going to get into the laws, and I'm going
to tell you what the facts are to some extent
on a state by state basis for whether or not
you have to disclose that kind of information. And it
turns out here where I am no, I would not
have to say that. In some places you would have
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to bring that up. And you might want to bring
it up anyway, just to be on the safe side.
I don't know. But this all goes back to the
idea of a stigmatized property, and so here is what
that means. In real estate. Stigmatized is a property that
buyers or tenants may shun for reasons that are unrelated
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to its physical condition or features. These can include the
death of an occupant, murder, suicide, or yes, even the
belief that a house is haunted. Isn't this an interesting
thing to start exploring again, We're talking about things that
are unrelated to the physical condition, and yet it makes
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it a difference in terms of how desirable a place is. Hmm.
I wonder why that phenomenon exists if there's nothing to
the idea of a spiritual realm. Or things that get
imprinted right says. Controversy exists regarding the definitions of stigma
and what sorts of stigma must be disclosed atsel it
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is argued that the seller has a duty to disclose
any such history of the property. This, in practice falls
into two categories demonstrable, which is physical and emotional. Local
jurisdictions vary widely on their interpretation of these issues, and
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it occasionally contradicts federal law. When we come back from
this brig, I'm going to break this down and go
into like, okay, what are the types of stigma and
then what what states are there. There's just a handful
of states that say absolutely, you've got to disclose this.
We'll dig into that when we come back. You know,
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I'm talking right now about stigmatized properties. And there is
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a list of different types of stigma. Many jurisdictions recognize
several forms of stigmatized property and it passed resolutions or
statutes to deal with them. And one issue that separates
them is disclosure. Depending on the jurisdiction of the house,
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the seller may not be required to disclose the full facts.
Some specific types must always be disclosed, others are up
to the jurisdiction, and others, in some cases up to
the realtor. And again I'm gonna get into a little
bit more of a state by state breakdown here in
a minute. But here are types of stigma. Okay, First,
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we have criminal stigma, meaning the property was used in
the ongoing commission of a crime. So, for example, a
house is stigmatized if it has been used as a
bravl a chop shop, or a drug den. Next, we
have a debt stigma. Debt collectors unaware that a debtor
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has moved out of a particular residence may continue their
pursuit at the same location, resulting in harassment of innocent
subsequent occupiers. So that can be especially bad if like
some collection agency has very aggressive or even illegal tactics
and they don't realize, like, you got the wrong guy.
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You know that that dude is gone. Next, there is
a category called minimal stigma. It says it's known to
or taken seriously by only a small select group, and
such a stigma is unlikely to affect the ability to
sell the property. That's weird because they don't even give
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an example of that, And so I guess minimal stigma
would be almost like maybe, you know, maybe they're just
some neighbors who didn't like the person in the house
and they therefore have a dislike of that general piece
of property. I don't know. Next, this is where it
gets more obvious, the murder suicide stigma. Some jurisdictions in
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the United States require property sellers to reveal if a
murder or suicide occurred on the premises. California state law
does if the event occurred within the previous three years.
That's interesting, isn't it. So only if it's within three
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years do you have to have to bring that up
To protect sellers from lawsuits, Florida state law does not
require any notification, and North Carolina sellers and agents do
not have to volunteer information about the death of previous occupants.
But a direct question must be answered truthfully. So, I
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guess if you're selling the place, you don't have to
bring it up. But if somebody asks you, you know,
and you know the answer, you need to tell them.
And then there is what they call the phenomena stigma. Many,
but not all, jurisdictions require disclosure if a house is
renowned for haunting, ghost sidings, et cetera. This is in
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a separate category from public stigma, wherein the knowledge of
haunting is restricted to a local market. Perceived paranormal activity
is an indicator of a possible air quality hazard, such
as carbon monoxide or toxic mold. That's interesting, huh, So
they're making this case here that well, if you say
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it's haunted because weird you see weird things, it might
not just be your imagination. Maybe there's something in the
house that's toxic that's making you hallucinate. This actually gets
pretty complicated, doesn't it, when you start really looking at
all those kinds of variables. Next, we have the public
stigma category, when the stigma is known to a wide
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selection of the population and any reasonable person can be
expected to know of it. Examples include the Amityville Horror
House and the home of the Menims Brothers. Public stigma
must always be disclosed in almost all American and European jurisdictions.
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This really does boil down to the legal system and
perhaps the opinion of a jury, doesn't it. And by
the way, let me pause to say that I won't
use his name here without his explicit permission, but I
know a man who lives here in the US who
is a paranormal investigator who specifically seeks out stigmatized properties
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that need, you know, renovation work and that kind of
thing done because he is he's, for one thing, he's
not only unafraid to be in that environment, but he
wants to go to that environment because he's a great
craftsman and he can do all of these you know,
he could he literally have his own home improvement show.
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But at the same time he is investigating the paranormal.
There are people who, you know, are I guess ironically
more apt to buy a piece of property or to
be involved somehow with the piece of property that is stigmatized.
So uh, let's see this Encyclopedia article I'm reading here.
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It goes on and on saying, at least in the
United States, the principle of caveat emptor I mean meaning
let the buyer beware was held for many years to
govern sales. As the idea of an implied warranty of
habitability began to find blah blah. Okay, So but then
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you know, it gets into this this kind of changing
because of that haunted house in New York case I
was telling you about. And then they also in this
article dig a little more deeply into stuff like you know,
the Amityville horror House, and you know, just about any
house were something reached a national threst threshold of fame,
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however you determine that. So, okay, what does this mean
for you? Now? Look, I'm not going to go over
every state. There are fifty states in the United States
for those of you who are listening outside of our country.
But Zillo, the real estate website, they put out this
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story in twenty nineteen, and it says selling a haunted house,
here's what you need to know, And the subtitle here
is Zillo analysis finds that most states don't require home
sellers to disclose paranormal activity to buyers. And basically, here's
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the gist of this thing. They do talk about how
that in some cases, like they say, like in Alaska,
a death within one year must be disclosed.
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Uh.
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And and like in South Dakota, sellers must disclose a
homicide on the property. I don't know how that these
very specific nuanced laws get get brought up and passed
in these particular states, But there are a lot of
states that have some kind of little nuance like that, Like,
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for example, Alabama says, like a court ruled a seller
must disclose any important defect or condition that affects the
health or safety and is unknown to the buyer. So
that's kind of up to interpretation, right like uh. And
then in Arizona, because you know, obviously I'm starting with
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the a's here, it's it's a court ruled that a
seller must disclose important facts that might negatively affect the
value of the property. I guess that's kind of up
to interpretation, because some people specifically buy places because they're haunted.
So there are a lot of these like weird things,
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Like in Colorado, it says facts that could cause psychological
impact or stigma, such as death, are not required to
be disclosed. Paranormal activity likely not required to be disclosed.
So when you go through this whole list of states
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and you see all of these little nuanced things, there
are only let me see one, I think there are
three states.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
One.
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Okay, I think there's only three states where there is
a direct mention in the state law that says that
you have got to disclose paranormal activity. Now, just take
a moment and think what states do you think those are?
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Because they're all in the same area of the country.
This is actually a really interesting kind of trivia question.
What part of the United States of America do you
think has this little cluster of states in which somebody
took the time to write into the law that you
have got to specifically disclose paranormal activity. And you know,
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I can imagine that there are people out there who
would think, like, well, maybe it's somewhere in the South,
you know, where they're more superstitious, like Louisiana or something
like that. Or or you might think, well, maybe it's
up in the north where you had like the witch
trials stuff like that, or or maybe it's out west
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where you had all, you know, the the spooky things
happening to the pioneers. It looks like it's break time.
So when we come back, I'm going to tell you
what these states are where it is legally mandated in
their actual law to disclose this. Then I'm going to
tell you about like at least one brush that I've
had with this kind of situation where I went to
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a house where the people there just didn't want me
to talk about ghosts, and maybe it's because they were
going to sell it and they didn't want to get
involved in this. And then I have so much other
weird stuff. I'm glad that I've got some time left
to dig into it. I'm Joshua Pee Warren. You're listening
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I am your host, Joshua P. Warren, And this is
the show where the unusual becomes usual. What do you
think the four states are that specifically mention paranormal activity
in their laws. You know, during the break, I was
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looking over all these states and all the nuances, and like,
I think here's the best way to sum it up. Okay,
So nine states have laws around the disclosure of death
on the property. According to California law, sellers must disclose
any deaths that have happened on the property within three years,
as I said. In Alaska, a death within one year
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must be disclosed, And in South Dakota, sellers must disclose
a homicide on the property. Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, New Hampshire,
New Jersey, and South Carolina sellers must disclose a death
on the property only if asked. But there are four
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states that specifically mentioned paranormal activity in their real estate
disclosure laws. Those states are New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts,
and Minnesota. Now I'm gonna get deeper into that in
a second, but right off the bat, I mean New York,
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New Jersey, and Massachusetts. That little cluster right there, I mean,
you think of Massachusetts, you think of Salem, or at
least I do, where the Salem which trials occurred, and
all the superstition around there. And I don't know if
that has anything to do with this or not, but
I do think it's interesting that that little area is
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where you know they have paranormal activity. Mentioned Minnesota. I mean,
I don't know. All I can tell you is it's
another northern state. But the funny thing is, even though
those states have paranormal activity, that doesn't mean written into
the law, that doesn't mean that you have to talk
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about the paranormal activity. So, for example, the laws in
Minnesota and Massachusetts state that it is unnecessary to disclose
if the house is haunted by paranormal activity or the supernatural,
So they specifically point out paranormal stuff and say you
don't have to talk about it. In New Jersey, a
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seller must truthfully tell a buyer if their property comes
with departed roommates, so to speak, but only if asked.
So again, it's one of those things, only if asked.
And then because of that case in New York from
nineteen ninety one, in New York State declared that sellers
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must disclose to buyers that they think a house is
haunted only if they have already shared this opinion quote
to the public at large. But as long as they
keep their supernatural encounters to themselves, they are under no
obligation to speak up. And for more information on that,
you can go to this website KRBHK dot com KRBHK
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dot com. Most states, however, according to this real estate site, says,
most states follow the contract doctrine of the buyer beware. Okay,
so that's that's why. Really, you know, you can just
check on it and just ask the questions or type
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the address in do an internet search. I think it
would be interesting for some somebody who's a real like
library geek out there to open a service that where
you pay, you know, a couple hundred bucks or whatever,
and the person just goes and researches the history of
your property and gives you like a little portfolio. I mean,
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they could just email it to you that has everything
they could dig up about the history of your address.
Wouldn't that be cool? I wonder if that's already out there.
If not, somebody should start that business up and let
me know about it, because, uh, I'll promote it. I
think that would be amazing. All right. So now getting
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back to my own personal experiences. I mean, I could
give you lots of stories about people who did not
want me talking about their their haunted property. But the
first one that comes to mind is there is a
very well known haunted house in Asheville, North Carolina that's
been published about, written about, and published about. And when
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I I first came into contact with it, it was
the lady who owned it had a bed and breakfast there,
and she was all about ghost and she would tell
me all the ghost stories, and I mean she was
promoting that. And then she sold the house and then
the new people who got it, they also wanted to
run it as a bed and breakfast. But the next
time I went there to see them, they said, you
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are not allowed to talk about ghost here anymore, and
pretty much, you know, ran me off the property. Man.
I've been getting kicked out of a lot of places lately.
Actually that was a long time ago. But I you know,
I'm used to being run off because there are times where,
like I say, you just don't know, it's kind of
go one way or the other. And I've encountered so
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many times where people are like, Nope, you cannot talk
about this, and I've even had guns pulled on me.
I mean, like, one day, maybe I'll just do a
podcast about times where people have gotten really ticked off
at me because I've you know, asked a question or
whatever that they didn't like. But so I don't know
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if at this house the new owners didn't want me
talking about it because that they thought it would scare
their clients, or if they had maybe like a religious,
you know, problem with it, or if perhaps it was
that they wanted to resell it and they were afraid
that they'd heard it could influence things. But I don't
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think it shouldn't have mattered because the house was already
widely published about as a haunted place. So I have,
you know, I have encountered that kind of thing, and
I think it really does vary a lot depending on
where you are on planet Earth. I mean, cultures all
over the countries of the world have, you know, very
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different views on this, and some of the countries that
are you might think of as being more spiritual actually
talk about spooky stuff less, which is ironic because they
are you know, they they are fearful of it. You
know what this reminds me, here's a weird fact to
wait about Earth. I've been looking for an opportunity to
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bring this up for a while. You know how that
like when probably when you were a kid in school
at least, you came across a globe and the globe
often was what they would call a raised relief globe,
where it had texture like you could run your hand
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over it and you could feel the mountains and then
maybe it would dip down into the valleys and stuff
like that. Turns out that is insanely exaggerated. I was
watching an interview that the scientist Neil deGrasse Tyson was
doing recently, and he wrote a book about the Earth apparently,
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and he said that if you were a giant and
you reach down to stroke the Earth, the Earth is
a smoother sphere than any cube ball ever made. It's like, what,
because you know, you see these depictions of Earth having
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like a pear shape and it kind of wobbles and
all that. He goes neda, he said, that is, And
here's how he explained it. He said that, Okay, if
you go to the top of Mount Everest, which is
the highest peak on the crust here the lithosphere, I suppose,
and then if you go to the Mariana Trench, which
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is the lowest point on the crust, the difference between
those two points is only eleven miles. I mean, that's
not much. I think, he said, it's like the size
of Manhattan or something like that. And yet the Earth
is eight thousand miles in diameter. So the Earth is
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actually like an almost amazingly possibly smooth, perfect sphere. And
you never hear people put things, you know, in that
kind of perspective. But I thought that was pretty pretty wild.
I mean, would you would you have guessed that that
the Earth is, as he said, smoother, a smoother sphere
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than any cue ball ever made. That's just crazy, isn't it.
And yet there's so much variation, you know, as I'm
as I'm recording this show right now, I kid you not.
You know, here I am again in Las Vegas right now.
It is one hundred and twelve degrees fahrenheit outside.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
And.
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Supposedly tomorrow it's going to be one hundred and eighteen degrees. Now,
you know, I wrote a book about Death Valley, ghosts, UFOs,
and legends of Death Valley. Death Valley is the hottest
place on Earth. Death Valley got up to one hundred
and thirty four degrees fahrenheit, which is fifty six point
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seven celsius, back in July of nineteen thirteen. Uh So,
I don't know what that tells us about, you know,
global warming. But Lauren and I went there to Death
Valley in July one time and it was one hundred
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and seventeen and yet tomorrow here in Las Vegas, which
is only about a two hour drive from Death Valley,
it's supposed to be one hundred and eighteen. So I'm
living in like Death Valley temperatures. But you know what's wild?
I living here. I am cold more than I am hot,
because everywhere you go, people just blast the air conditioning
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and they freeze you to death. It's hard to figure
out how to dress here because you know, you put
on your short sleeve shirt and your shorts to go
out when you know you're in the blast furnace when
it's one hundred and fifteen degrees, and then you go
into some store or some movie theater or some casino
and now you're freezing it. So I'm literally cold more
than I am hot because of climate control and air
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conditioning living here. That's a weird thing because people say,
josh how do you stand living in the desert where
it's that hot. Well, I'm cold more than you probably are. Okay,
when we come back, I got a tip that I'm
going to give you about something simple you can eat
before you go to bed that will supposedly give you
the best sleep ever. Wait till you hear this tip.
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I Am You're a post Joshua P. Warren and real
quick when it comes to Las Vegas. You know, people
have a lot of misconceptions about what it's like to
live out here. People when they think of you living
in Las Vegas, they think that you live like in
the Bellagio or something. You live on the strip. There's
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a whole, big, wide, vast world of mountains and believe
it or not, streams and a lot of really interesting
nature here. One thing that's kind of cool about living
in Las Vegas is that because it is so dry
and hot, it's a very sterile environment, so in many
ways it's actually healthier. For example, you know, I used
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to live in Puerto Rico, which it was like living
in a terrarium. Everything is teeming with life, the air,
the soil, the walls. You know, there's there insects and
and and molds and fung guy and it's like everything
is just oozing and oscillating with life, and uh, and
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you get sick. You know a lot in that environment
where everything thrives, but out here, I mean like you
gotta be gotta be tough to survive. That's why this
is kind of a you know, it's an oasis in
the desert. But one thing that I'll tell you that's
just interesting that I've again I'm looking for excuses to
bring up things. I I was sort of stunned when
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I first came to Vegas to find, like, when you
go to the grocery store, they have gambling machines. You know,
you go to the gas station, they have gambling machines.
You get it. You go to a bar, chances are
there's going to be some gambling machines. I mean it's
hard to find a place just to go hang out
without gambling machines. And that does become annoying, uh to
a certain extent. I mean I'm not talking about the strip.
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I mean just like in the suburban parts of this town.
But the most prominent thing is video poker. And so
if you've never played video poker, here's all you really
need to know about it. You know, there are a
few basic hands that you quickly learn. You don't even
have to memorize it, because in many cases they just
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show you, like, if you get three cards that look alike,
it pays this much, or if you get, you know,
two cards like this, it pays that much. But the
story I want to tell you is that, Okay, when
you sit down in front of a video poker machine,
what happens is usually you put your money in there.
Let's say it's twenty dollars, and then you place your bet,
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which could be I don't know, let's say a dollar
or five dollars whatever, and then maybe like five cards
will pop up boom boom, boom, boom boom. And so
you look at those cards and you decide what cards
you want to keep and what cards you want to discard,
and you pick the ones you want to keep, and
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then you hit the discard button and then you get
your second set of cards, and that determines your final hand,
and that's what you get paid on. And recently somebody
here in Vegas sent me a video of this guy
who sat down in a video poker machine, and I
think he put like one hundred dollars in it. And
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the thing you want is a royal flush. That's the
best you're gonna get in poker, is a royal flush.
And so I forget how much the guy was betting,
but he hits the button and the first time he
hits the button, boom, there it is a royal flush,
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and he of course starts freaking out because in this
particular case, he's going to make forty four thousand dollars,
all right, And so he goes, I want to capture
this on video. So whoever he's with, I don't know
if it was his friend or his wife, he said,
film this, you know. So the other person turns on
the camera and films him, and he goes, are you ready?
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Are you ready? I'm about to win forty four thousand dollars,
you know, And then he hits the button and he
forgot to save those cards, and then it was gone
because you have to save the cards and then hit
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the button and then you get your forty four thousand dollars.
And some people say, you know, I watched that video
and it just makes me sick. I don't know why
I wanted to share that with you. Call it mental
manna or something like that, you know. Vegas is just weird.
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So here's the next thing I wanted to tell you
about I have. I don't really have a schedule, and
that's not good. You know, they always tell you, the
medical professional says, you need to have some kind of
a schedule for your health, but I just don't. I mean,
I'm up at late at night working on projects or
(45:24):
doing radio interviews or recording shows like this, and then
I have to be up in the daytime doing things
that normal human beings do, and you never know what
my schedule is going to be. But I figured I'm
not a good guinea pig for this, even though I
did try it. But I figured I would ask all
of you if this works. I was watching this YouTube
(45:45):
video today, actually not today, but I was watching it
the other day and I thought about it bringing it
up today from this doctor and this guy he has
millions and millions of viewers on YouTube, you know, subscribers,
And he said, if you want to have the best
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sleep you've ever had in your entire life, he goes,
I'm going to give you a tip, and long story short,
he said, take some bananas. And he said that he
likes to cut him in half, take a whole banana,
cut it in half, and put him in a ziplock
bag and put them in his freezer. I don't think
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that's necessary, but that's what I'm just telling you what
he said. I'm not a doctor. He says, he's a doctor.
And then every night before you go to bed, you
go to this ziplock bag and you take out at
least a half a banana, if not a whole banana,
thirty to forty five minutes before you're ready to sleep,
and you put that banana on a plate, and you
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take out some cinnamon and you just basically pour a
real healthy dose of cinnamon on top of that banana
and eat it. And he goes, it's going to be
the He says, for one thing, it's delicious, and it
actually is really good. And he says, you're gonna just
sleep better than you've ever slept in your entire life.
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And he goes through this whole like list of reasons
for why that is and breaks down the chemicals and everything.
So you know, I tried it and I enjoyed it,
but I'm like I said, I can't tell if I
slept better or not because I had to get up
at some point anyway and do some stuff. So I
want you to try it out if that sounds interesting
(47:29):
to you, and then you can just, you know, email
me and let me know or post it on my
social media and let me know if that if that
works for you, I'm just I'd be interested to know
if that. You know, this is like a John Tesh
tip or something like that, where I'm giving you a
bedtime dessert that might help you get better sleep. Before
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we run out of time, let me at least try
to read one email here. This comes to me from Boulder, Colorado.
And this person's name is T, like initial T, and
then I have the last name, but I don't want
to read it because you know, I'm very particular about
not giving people's name out. So here's here's what T
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wrote me. And now you might be thinking, could this
be mister T, because believe it or not, I have
met mister T. Another story for another day, but I
don't think this is mister T. Tea listened to my
podcast that I did, which was episode just recently called
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The Emerald Tablet and the Copper Scroll, and T wrote, Joshua,
that was an amazing episode. Can we say resonate why yes,
yes we can. I swear I almost cried at the
end with what you had to say to sum it
all up. That did in fact go deep as you
were saying. And regardless of the origins of the emerald
(49:05):
tablet and or copper scroll, the original message given followed
by the modernized version was just beautiful. What an ah
ha moment. The alchemy of lead to gold being in
the metaphorical versus literal sense just incredible. That one is
(49:28):
probably going to get a re Listen. I loved it
that much, my very favorite so far. And then Tea
goes on talking about some other cool stuff regarding like
the electrom ring, which I'll get to later but anyway,
then t says thank you, and as you would say,
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thank you for staying curious. Well, Tea, thank you. I
love Bolder. As a matter of fact, I'm going to
be possibly back in your future doing some stuff. But
isn't that great. I just love reading super positive feedback
like that. So that kind of stuff just makes my day,
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and that way I know I'm not just sitting here
talking to myself. All right, my friends, clock has got us.
You know what time it is. Take a deep breath
if you can close your eyes. Let's make your next
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Weird experiments you can do at home, and a lot
more on this edition of the show. Stigmatized Properties The facts.
That's right, just the facts, ma'am. Do you know what
a stigmatized property is? That is an official term for
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a location with a bad reputation And I'm going to
dig into that more deeply soon, But right off the bat,
when I think about this, given my background, it reminds
me of you know, growing up becoming a ghost hunter,
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and at some point hearing about this house in New
York that is considered the only legally haunted house in America.
And I know you're thinking, what what do you mean
legally haunted? It's interesting, isn't it. Well, let me explain here.
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There is an article I recently found about this topic
at realtor dot com. I'll just give you the first
paragraph or so. It says, uh, where's the beginning? Okay,
there we go. It says. Cynthia Aclee. Kavanaugh recalls sitting
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on her bed in her new home when the cord
to the light above began swinging in a way that
she had never seen before. It wasn't sloping in an
arc as it should. Instead, it was as if some
invisible force were playing ping pong with the pool switch.
The year was nineteen sixty seven. Her father had gotten
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a job in New York City, and the family had
recently traded their Maryland farm for a derelict Victorian just
north of New York City. Her parents, Helen and George Aclee,
were determined to restore the rundown forty two hundred square
foot house on the Hudson River, where they planned to
raise their four children. Built in eighteen ninety, the house
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had sat to vacant for seven years before the Acles
bought it, and during that time, neighborhood children would say
they saw faces in the windows. Over their two decades
in the home, the Acles would have many inexplicable experiences.
They heard mysterious footsteps and voices, doors and windows would
fly open on several occasions. They claimed they even received
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it's from peaceful spirits wearing clothes from centuries past. The
paranormal was just part and parcel of their new home.
There's a picture of this house in this article, and
it sure looks haunted. This article, by the way, is
by Claire Trepasso, and it goes on to say the
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Old Victorian would eventually achieve infamy. In the early nineteen nineties,
after the Aclies put it on the market, when the
buyers learned of the home's supernatural history, they tried to
back out of the deal to recover their deposit. They sued,
and the court for the first time established that a
(04:46):
property was haunted in a published opinion. That opinion, colloquially
referred to as the Ghostbuster's ruling, established the Aclye residence
as the owner known legally haunted house in America. And then,
of course this article goes on to talk at great
length about the things that were happening in the house.
(05:09):
But let's get to the point of this podcast. What
do you mean they a court determined this was a
legally haunted house. Well, here is how all that panned out,
because this goes back to this idea of a stigmatized property. Okay,
(05:32):
So in that case, which was called Stambovski versus Aclie,
the New York Supreme Court Appellate Division affirmed a narrow
interpretation of the idea of stigmatized property. The court held
that since the property in question was previously marketed by
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the seller as a quote haunted house, he was a
stopped And that's a legal term, a stopped, which I'm
not a lawyer, but I believe that means you can't
renig on something that you've said before. He was a
stopped from claiming the contrary. The majority opinion specifically noted
that the veracity of the claims of paranormal activities were
(06:17):
outside the purview of the opinion. Okay, So basically, here's
what I believe that means in plain language that at
some point in the past the people who own the
house had claimed in some notable way that the house
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was haunted. And so the court found that if you
claim that your house is haunted, then from a legal
standpoint in the real estate market, that makes it haunted,
and in some cases that has to be disclosed. So
it's not about the reality of the phenomenon, it's about
(07:00):
the opinion that the owner has of the property that
the owner is trying to sell. That's really odd and
interesting on a number of levels, isn't it. It almost
borders on the Tulpa thing, like can you make your
property haunted by just saying it's haunted? But okay, but
let me look at myself here. Okay, so you know,
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I have this house that I bought a little over
a year ago here in Las Vegas. Now, I do
not believe this house is haunted. As a matter of fact,
I would not live in a haunted house because I
don't like surprises. If I go to a haunted house,
that's work for me. Okay. Here, I also feel like,
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you know, if you're in a haunted place, it's almost
like an invasion of privacy or there's something looming over you.
So I do not live in a haunted house. I have, however,
had ghostly things happen in this house if I bring
in certain objects and stuff, and you know, I've mentioned
that before, like, for example, the the FDR wheelchair. But regardless,
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So does that mean, however, you know I've gotten on
the radio and I've said, like, there has been ghostly
activity in my house. Does that mean that if I
ever wanted to sell this house, that I would have
to make a point to bring up to the buyer
that ghostly things have happened here, Because in some cases
(08:35):
that would be completely weird and out of the blue
and inappropriate. Probably in most cases. Actually, Now, of course,
I'm kind of a crazy guy. So when I was,
you know, with my realtor and we were looking at
this house, I said, so, just tell me, you know,
straight up, has there ever been a dead body in
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the attic or anything like? Has anybody has anything crazy
happened here?
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No?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Nothing has. That's one of the things about living in
Las Vegas. A lot of the real estate around here
is quite New Vegas as we know, it didn't even
start really appearing until the nineteen forties. You know, but
nonetheless would I have to do that? Well, in a second,
(09:23):
I'm going to get into the laws, and I'm going
to tell you what the facts are to some extent
on a state by state basis for whether or not
you have to disclose that kind of information. And it
turns out here where I am no, I would not
have to say that. In some places you would have
(09:45):
to bring that up. And you might want to bring
it up anyway, just to be on the safe side.
I don't know. But this all goes back to the
idea of a stigmatized property, and so here is what
that means. In real estate. Stigmatized is a property that
buyers or tenants may shun for reasons that are unrelated
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to its physical condition or features. These can include the
death of an occupant, murder, suicide, or yes, even the
belief that a house is haunted. Isn't this an interesting
thing to start exploring again, We're talking about things that
are unrelated to the physical condition, and yet it makes
(10:35):
it a difference in terms of how desirable a place is. Hmm.
I wonder why that phenomenon exists if there's nothing to
the idea of a spiritual realm. Or things that get
imprinted right says. Controversy exists regarding the definitions of stigma
and what sorts of stigma must be disclosed atsel it
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is argued that the seller has a duty to disclose
any such history of the property. This, in practice falls
into two categories demonstrable, which is physical and emotional. Local
jurisdictions vary widely on their interpretation of these issues, and
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it occasionally contradicts federal law. When we come back from
this brig, I'm going to break this down and go
into like, okay, what are the types of stigma and
then what what states are there. There's just a handful
of states that say absolutely, you've got to disclose this.
We'll dig into that when we come back. You know,
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Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada, where every day is golden
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I'm talking right now about stigmatized properties. And there is
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a list of different types of stigma. Many jurisdictions recognize
several forms of stigmatized property and it passed resolutions or
statutes to deal with them. And one issue that separates
them is disclosure. Depending on the jurisdiction of the house,
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the seller may not be required to disclose the full facts.
Some specific types must always be disclosed, others are up
to the jurisdiction, and others, in some cases up to
the realtor. And again I'm gonna get into a little
bit more of a state by state breakdown here in
a minute. But here are types of stigma. Okay, First,
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we have criminal stigma, meaning the property was used in
the ongoing commission of a crime. So, for example, a
house is stigmatized if it has been used as a
bravl a chop shop, or a drug den. Next, we
have a debt stigma. Debt collectors unaware that a debtor
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has moved out of a particular residence may continue their
pursuit at the same location, resulting in harassment of innocent
subsequent occupiers. So that can be especially bad if like
some collection agency has very aggressive or even illegal tactics
and they don't realize, like, you got the wrong guy.
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You know that that dude is gone. Next, there is
a category called minimal stigma. It says it's known to
or taken seriously by only a small select group, and
such a stigma is unlikely to affect the ability to
sell the property. That's weird because they don't even give
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an example of that, And so I guess minimal stigma
would be almost like maybe, you know, maybe they're just
some neighbors who didn't like the person in the house
and they therefore have a dislike of that general piece
of property. I don't know. Next, this is where it
gets more obvious, the murder suicide stigma. Some jurisdictions in
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the United States require property sellers to reveal if a
murder or suicide occurred on the premises. California state law
does if the event occurred within the previous three years.
That's interesting, isn't it. So only if it's within three
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years do you have to have to bring that up
To protect sellers from lawsuits, Florida state law does not
require any notification, and North Carolina sellers and agents do
not have to volunteer information about the death of previous occupants.
But a direct question must be answered truthfully. So, I
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guess if you're selling the place, you don't have to
bring it up. But if somebody asks you, you know,
and you know the answer, you need to tell them.
And then there is what they call the phenomena stigma. Many,
but not all, jurisdictions require disclosure if a house is
renowned for haunting, ghost sidings, et cetera. This is in
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a separate category from public stigma, wherein the knowledge of
haunting is restricted to a local market. Perceived paranormal activity
is an indicator of a possible air quality hazard, such
as carbon monoxide or toxic mold. That's interesting, huh, So
they're making this case here that well, if you say
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it's haunted because weird you see weird things, it might
not just be your imagination. Maybe there's something in the
house that's toxic that's making you hallucinate. This actually gets
pretty complicated, doesn't it, when you start really looking at
all those kinds of variables. Next, we have the public
stigma category, when the stigma is known to a wide
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selection of the population and any reasonable person can be
expected to know of it. Examples include the Amityville Horror
House and the home of the Menims Brothers. Public stigma
must always be disclosed in almost all American and European jurisdictions.
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This really does boil down to the legal system and
perhaps the opinion of a jury, doesn't it. And by
the way, let me pause to say that I won't
use his name here without his explicit permission, but I
know a man who lives here in the US who
is a paranormal investigator who specifically seeks out stigmatized properties
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that need, you know, renovation work and that kind of
thing done because he is he's, for one thing, he's
not only unafraid to be in that environment, but he
wants to go to that environment because he's a great
craftsman and he can do all of these you know,
he could he literally have his own home improvement show.
(19:54):
But at the same time he is investigating the paranormal.
There are people who, you know, are I guess ironically
more apt to buy a piece of property or to
be involved somehow with the piece of property that is stigmatized.
So uh, let's see this Encyclopedia article I'm reading here.
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It goes on and on saying, at least in the
United States, the principle of caveat emptor I mean meaning
let the buyer beware was held for many years to
govern sales. As the idea of an implied warranty of
habitability began to find blah blah. Okay, So but then
(20:39):
you know, it gets into this this kind of changing
because of that haunted house in New York case I
was telling you about. And then they also in this
article dig a little more deeply into stuff like you know,
the Amityville horror House, and you know, just about any
house were something reached a national threst threshold of fame,
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however you determine that. So, okay, what does this mean
for you? Now? Look, I'm not going to go over
every state. There are fifty states in the United States
for those of you who are listening outside of our country.
But Zillo, the real estate website, they put out this
(21:28):
story in twenty nineteen, and it says selling a haunted house,
here's what you need to know, And the subtitle here
is Zillo analysis finds that most states don't require home
sellers to disclose paranormal activity to buyers. And basically, here's
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the gist of this thing. They do talk about how
that in some cases, like they say, like in Alaska,
a death within one year must be disclosed.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
And and like in South Dakota, sellers must disclose a
homicide on the property. I don't know how that these
very specific nuanced laws get get brought up and passed
in these particular states, But there are a lot of
states that have some kind of little nuance like that, Like,
(22:29):
for example, Alabama says, like a court ruled a seller
must disclose any important defect or condition that affects the
health or safety and is unknown to the buyer. So
that's kind of up to interpretation, right like uh. And
then in Arizona, because you know, obviously I'm starting with
(22:51):
the a's here, it's it's a court ruled that a
seller must disclose important facts that might negatively affect the
value of the property. I guess that's kind of up
to interpretation, because some people specifically buy places because they're haunted.
So there are a lot of these like weird things,
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Like in Colorado, it says facts that could cause psychological
impact or stigma, such as death, are not required to
be disclosed. Paranormal activity likely not required to be disclosed.
So when you go through this whole list of states
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and you see all of these little nuanced things, there
are only let me see one, I think there are
three states.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
One.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Okay, I think there's only three states where there is
a direct mention in the state law that says that
you have got to disclose paranormal activity. Now, just take
a moment and think what states do you think those are?
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Because they're all in the same area of the country.
This is actually a really interesting kind of trivia question.
What part of the United States of America do you
think has this little cluster of states in which somebody
took the time to write into the law that you
have got to specifically disclose paranormal activity. And you know,
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I can imagine that there are people out there who
would think, like, well, maybe it's somewhere in the South,
you know, where they're more superstitious, like Louisiana or something
like that. Or or you might think, well, maybe it's
up in the north where you had like the witch
trials stuff like that, or or maybe it's out west
(24:58):
where you had all, you know, the the spooky things
happening to the pioneers. It looks like it's break time.
So when we come back, I'm going to tell you
what these states are where it is legally mandated in
their actual law to disclose this. Then I'm going to
tell you about like at least one brush that I've
had with this kind of situation where I went to
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a house where the people there just didn't want me
to talk about ghosts, and maybe it's because they were
going to sell it and they didn't want to get
involved in this. And then I have so much other
weird stuff. I'm glad that I've got some time left
to dig into it. I'm Joshua Pee Warren. You're listening
to strange things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast
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these important messages. Don't go anywhere. There's more strange things
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Warren. Welcome back to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and
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I am your host, Joshua P. Warren, And this is
the show where the unusual becomes usual. What do you
think the four states are that specifically mention paranormal activity
in their laws. You know, during the break, I was
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looking over all these states and all the nuances, and like,
I think here's the best way to sum it up. Okay,
So nine states have laws around the disclosure of death
on the property. According to California law, sellers must disclose
any deaths that have happened on the property within three years,
as I said. In Alaska, a death within one year
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must be disclosed, And in South Dakota, sellers must disclose
a homicide on the property. Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, New Hampshire,
New Jersey, and South Carolina sellers must disclose a death
on the property only if asked. But there are four
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states that specifically mentioned paranormal activity in their real estate
disclosure laws. Those states are New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts,
and Minnesota. Now I'm gonna get deeper into that in
a second, but right off the bat, I mean New York,
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New Jersey, and Massachusetts. That little cluster right there, I mean,
you think of Massachusetts, you think of Salem, or at
least I do, where the Salem which trials occurred, and
all the superstition around there. And I don't know if
that has anything to do with this or not, but
I do think it's interesting that that little area is
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where you know they have paranormal activity. Mentioned Minnesota. I mean,
I don't know. All I can tell you is it's
another northern state. But the funny thing is, even though
those states have paranormal activity, that doesn't mean written into
the law, that doesn't mean that you have to talk
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about the paranormal activity. So, for example, the laws in
Minnesota and Massachusetts state that it is unnecessary to disclose
if the house is haunted by paranormal activity or the supernatural,
So they specifically point out paranormal stuff and say you
don't have to talk about it. In New Jersey, a
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seller must truthfully tell a buyer if their property comes
with departed roommates, so to speak, but only if asked.
So again, it's one of those things, only if asked.
And then because of that case in New York from
nineteen ninety one, in New York State declared that sellers
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must disclose to buyers that they think a house is
haunted only if they have already shared this opinion quote
to the public at large. But as long as they
keep their supernatural encounters to themselves, they are under no
obligation to speak up. And for more information on that,
you can go to this website KRBHK dot com KRBHK
(30:30):
dot com. Most states, however, according to this real estate site, says,
most states follow the contract doctrine of the buyer beware. Okay,
so that's that's why. Really, you know, you can just
check on it and just ask the questions or type
(30:52):
the address in do an internet search. I think it
would be interesting for some somebody who's a real like
library geek out there to open a service that where
you pay, you know, a couple hundred bucks or whatever,
and the person just goes and researches the history of
your property and gives you like a little portfolio. I mean,
(31:15):
they could just email it to you that has everything
they could dig up about the history of your address.
Wouldn't that be cool? I wonder if that's already out there.
If not, somebody should start that business up and let
me know about it, because, uh, I'll promote it. I
think that would be amazing. All right. So now getting
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back to my own personal experiences. I mean, I could
give you lots of stories about people who did not
want me talking about their their haunted property. But the
first one that comes to mind is there is a
very well known haunted house in Asheville, North Carolina that's
been published about, written about, and published about. And when
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I I first came into contact with it, it was
the lady who owned it had a bed and breakfast there,
and she was all about ghost and she would tell
me all the ghost stories, and I mean she was
promoting that. And then she sold the house and then
the new people who got it, they also wanted to
run it as a bed and breakfast. But the next
time I went there to see them, they said, you
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are not allowed to talk about ghost here anymore, and
pretty much, you know, ran me off the property. Man.
I've been getting kicked out of a lot of places lately.
Actually that was a long time ago. But I you know,
I'm used to being run off because there are times where,
like I say, you just don't know, it's kind of
go one way or the other. And I've encountered so
(32:42):
many times where people are like, Nope, you cannot talk
about this, and I've even had guns pulled on me.
I mean, like, one day, maybe I'll just do a
podcast about times where people have gotten really ticked off
at me because I've you know, asked a question or
whatever that they didn't like. But so I don't know
(33:05):
if at this house the new owners didn't want me
talking about it because that they thought it would scare
their clients, or if they had maybe like a religious,
you know, problem with it, or if perhaps it was
that they wanted to resell it and they were afraid
that they'd heard it could influence things. But I don't
(33:25):
think it shouldn't have mattered because the house was already
widely published about as a haunted place. So I have,
you know, I have encountered that kind of thing, and
I think it really does vary a lot depending on
where you are on planet Earth. I mean, cultures all
over the countries of the world have, you know, very
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different views on this, and some of the countries that
are you might think of as being more spiritual actually
talk about spooky stuff less, which is ironic because they
are you know, they they are fearful of it. You
know what this reminds me, here's a weird fact to
wait about Earth. I've been looking for an opportunity to
(34:08):
bring this up for a while. You know how that
like when probably when you were a kid in school
at least, you came across a globe and the globe
often was what they would call a raised relief globe,
where it had texture like you could run your hand
(34:29):
over it and you could feel the mountains and then
maybe it would dip down into the valleys and stuff
like that. Turns out that is insanely exaggerated. I was
watching an interview that the scientist Neil deGrasse Tyson was
doing recently, and he wrote a book about the Earth apparently,
(34:53):
and he said that if you were a giant and
you reach down to stroke the Earth, the Earth is
a smoother sphere than any cube ball ever made. It's like, what,
because you know, you see these depictions of Earth having
(35:14):
like a pear shape and it kind of wobbles and
all that. He goes neda, he said, that is, And
here's how he explained it. He said that, Okay, if
you go to the top of Mount Everest, which is
the highest peak on the crust here the lithosphere, I suppose,
and then if you go to the Mariana Trench, which
(35:35):
is the lowest point on the crust, the difference between
those two points is only eleven miles. I mean, that's
not much. I think, he said, it's like the size
of Manhattan or something like that. And yet the Earth
is eight thousand miles in diameter. So the Earth is
(35:57):
actually like an almost amazingly possibly smooth, perfect sphere. And
you never hear people put things, you know, in that
kind of perspective. But I thought that was pretty pretty wild.
I mean, would you would you have guessed that that
the Earth is, as he said, smoother, a smoother sphere
(36:20):
than any cue ball ever made. That's just crazy, isn't it.
And yet there's so much variation, you know, as I'm
as I'm recording this show right now, I kid you not.
You know, here I am again in Las Vegas right now.
It is one hundred and twelve degrees fahrenheit outside.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
And.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Supposedly tomorrow it's going to be one hundred and eighteen degrees. Now,
you know, I wrote a book about Death Valley, ghosts, UFOs,
and legends of Death Valley. Death Valley is the hottest
place on Earth. Death Valley got up to one hundred
and thirty four degrees fahrenheit, which is fifty six point
(37:06):
seven celsius, back in July of nineteen thirteen. Uh So,
I don't know what that tells us about, you know,
global warming. But Lauren and I went there to Death
Valley in July one time and it was one hundred
(37:27):
and seventeen and yet tomorrow here in Las Vegas, which
is only about a two hour drive from Death Valley,
it's supposed to be one hundred and eighteen. So I'm
living in like Death Valley temperatures. But you know what's wild?
I living here. I am cold more than I am hot,
because everywhere you go, people just blast the air conditioning
(37:52):
and they freeze you to death. It's hard to figure
out how to dress here because you know, you put
on your short sleeve shirt and your shorts to go
out when you know you're in the blast furnace when
it's one hundred and fifteen degrees, and then you go
into some store or some movie theater or some casino
and now you're freezing it. So I'm literally cold more
than I am hot because of climate control and air
(38:12):
conditioning living here. That's a weird thing because people say,
josh how do you stand living in the desert where
it's that hot. Well, I'm cold more than you probably are. Okay,
when we come back, I got a tip that I'm
going to give you about something simple you can eat
before you go to bed that will supposedly give you
the best sleep ever. Wait till you hear this tip.
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All right, I'm Joshua Pee Warren. You're listening to strange
things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast i AM
Paranormal Podcast Network, and I will be right back. Don't
go anywhere. There's more strange things coming right up.
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I Am You're a post Joshua P. Warren and real
quick when it comes to Las Vegas. You know, people
have a lot of misconceptions about what it's like to
live out here. People when they think of you living
in Las Vegas, they think that you live like in
the Bellagio or something. You live on the strip. There's
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a whole, big, wide, vast world of mountains and believe
it or not, streams and a lot of really interesting
nature here. One thing that's kind of cool about living
in Las Vegas is that because it is so dry
and hot, it's a very sterile environment, so in many
ways it's actually healthier. For example, you know, I used
(40:55):
to live in Puerto Rico, which it was like living
in a terrarium. Everything is teeming with life, the air,
the soil, the walls. You know, there's there insects and
and and molds and fung guy and it's like everything
is just oozing and oscillating with life, and uh, and
(41:16):
you get sick. You know a lot in that environment
where everything thrives, but out here, I mean like you
gotta be gotta be tough to survive. That's why this
is kind of a you know, it's an oasis in
the desert. But one thing that I'll tell you that's
just interesting that I've again I'm looking for excuses to
bring up things. I I was sort of stunned when
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I first came to Vegas to find, like, when you
go to the grocery store, they have gambling machines. You know,
you go to the gas station, they have gambling machines.
You get it. You go to a bar, chances are
there's going to be some gambling machines. I mean it's
hard to find a place just to go hang out
without gambling machines. And that does become annoying, uh to
a certain extent. I mean I'm not talking about the strip.
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I mean just like in the suburban parts of this town.
But the most prominent thing is video poker. And so
if you've never played video poker, here's all you really
need to know about it. You know, there are a
few basic hands that you quickly learn. You don't even
have to memorize it, because in many cases they just
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show you, like, if you get three cards that look alike,
it pays this much, or if you get, you know,
two cards like this, it pays that much. But the
story I want to tell you is that, Okay, when
you sit down in front of a video poker machine,
what happens is usually you put your money in there.
Let's say it's twenty dollars, and then you place your bet,
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which could be I don't know, let's say a dollar
or five dollars whatever, and then maybe like five cards
will pop up boom boom, boom, boom boom. And so
you look at those cards and you decide what cards
you want to keep and what cards you want to discard,
and you pick the ones you want to keep, and
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then you hit the discard button and then you get
your second set of cards, and that determines your final hand,
and that's what you get paid on. And recently somebody
here in Vegas sent me a video of this guy
who sat down in a video poker machine, and I
think he put like one hundred dollars in it. And
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the thing you want is a royal flush. That's the
best you're gonna get in poker, is a royal flush.
And so I forget how much the guy was betting,
but he hits the button and the first time he
hits the button, boom, there it is a royal flush,
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and he of course starts freaking out because in this
particular case, he's going to make forty four thousand dollars,
all right, And so he goes, I want to capture
this on video. So whoever he's with, I don't know
if it was his friend or his wife, he said,
film this, you know. So the other person turns on
the camera and films him, and he goes, are you ready?
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Are you ready? I'm about to win forty four thousand dollars,
you know, And then he hits the button and he
forgot to save those cards, and then it was gone
because you have to save the cards and then hit
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the button and then you get your forty four thousand dollars.
And some people say, you know, I watched that video
and it just makes me sick. I don't know why
I wanted to share that with you. Call it mental
manna or something like that, you know. Vegas is just weird.
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So here's the next thing I wanted to tell you
about I have. I don't really have a schedule, and
that's not good. You know, they always tell you, the
medical professional says, you need to have some kind of
a schedule for your health, but I just don't. I mean,
I'm up at late at night working on projects or
(45:24):
doing radio interviews or recording shows like this, and then
I have to be up in the daytime doing things
that normal human beings do, and you never know what
my schedule is going to be. But I figured I'm
not a good guinea pig for this, even though I
did try it. But I figured I would ask all
of you if this works. I was watching this YouTube
(45:45):
video today, actually not today, but I was watching it
the other day and I thought about it bringing it
up today from this doctor and this guy he has
millions and millions of viewers on YouTube, you know, subscribers,
And he said, if you want to have the best
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sleep you've ever had in your entire life, he goes,
I'm going to give you a tip, and long story short,
he said, take some bananas. And he said that he
likes to cut him in half, take a whole banana,
cut it in half, and put him in a ziplock
bag and put them in his freezer. I don't think
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that's necessary, but that's what I'm just telling you what
he said. I'm not a doctor. He says, he's a doctor.
And then every night before you go to bed, you
go to this ziplock bag and you take out at
least a half a banana, if not a whole banana,
thirty to forty five minutes before you're ready to sleep,
and you put that banana on a plate, and you
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take out some cinnamon and you just basically pour a
real healthy dose of cinnamon on top of that banana
and eat it. And he goes, it's going to be
the He says, for one thing, it's delicious, and it
actually is really good. And he says, you're gonna just
sleep better than you've ever slept in your entire life.
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And he goes through this whole like list of reasons
for why that is and breaks down the chemicals and everything.
So you know, I tried it and I enjoyed it,
but I'm like I said, I can't tell if I
slept better or not because I had to get up
at some point anyway and do some stuff. So I
want you to try it out if that sounds interesting
(47:29):
to you, and then you can just, you know, email
me and let me know or post it on my
social media and let me know if that if that
works for you, I'm just I'd be interested to know
if that. You know, this is like a John Tesh
tip or something like that, where I'm giving you a
bedtime dessert that might help you get better sleep. Before
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we run out of time, let me at least try
to read one email here. This comes to me from Boulder, Colorado.
And this person's name is T, like initial T, and
then I have the last name, but I don't want
to read it because you know, I'm very particular about
not giving people's name out. So here's here's what T
(48:17):
wrote me. And now you might be thinking, could this
be mister T, because believe it or not, I have
met mister T. Another story for another day, but I
don't think this is mister T. Tea listened to my
podcast that I did, which was episode just recently called
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The Emerald Tablet and the Copper Scroll, and T wrote, Joshua,
that was an amazing episode. Can we say resonate why yes,
yes we can. I swear I almost cried at the
end with what you had to say to sum it
all up. That did in fact go deep as you
were saying. And regardless of the origins of the emerald
(49:05):
tablet and or copper scroll, the original message given followed
by the modernized version was just beautiful. What an ah
ha moment. The alchemy of lead to gold being in
the metaphorical versus literal sense just incredible. That one is
(49:28):
probably going to get a re Listen. I loved it
that much, my very favorite so far. And then Tea
goes on talking about some other cool stuff regarding like
the electrom ring, which I'll get to later but anyway,
then t says thank you, and as you would say,
(49:49):
thank you for staying curious. Well, Tea, thank you. I
love Bolder. As a matter of fact, I'm going to
be possibly back in your future doing some stuff. But
isn't that great. I just love reading super positive feedback
like that. So that kind of stuff just makes my day,
(50:12):
and that way I know I'm not just sitting here
talking to myself. All right, my friends, clock has got us.
You know what time it is. Take a deep breath
if you can close your eyes. Let's make your next
week the best week ever. Here is the good Fortune tone.
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