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Ready to be amazed by the wizard of Weird Strange
Things with Joshua Warren. I am Joshua Warren, and each
week on this show, I'll be bringing you brand new
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do at home, and a lot more. On this edition
of the show. Is DNA actually AI Code? Right now,
I am holding in my hands a plastic model of

a strand of DNA it's about five feet tall. This
was three D printed, and I've had this for about
a year and it's kind of mesmerizing to hold it
in your hands and think about what it represents. It's
so organized, it looks like, well, it looks like something
that was machined. You know, we're talking about pretty much

taking a ladder and twisting it so you get that,
you know, that double helix as they talk about. And
I look at it and I wonder, what is it
about this design that is so integral to life? I mean,
it's it's basically it kind of seems like an antenna

for life. This thing I'm holding in my hands. D
n A, My goodness, it's maybe it's the key to
understanding everything about being a human. Deoxy ribo nucleic acid
a molecule that contains the genetic code that is unique

to every individual. Think of this code as an instruction
manual for making all the proteins that form our bodies
and help them thrive. The information coded in DNA is hereditary,
meaning that it passes from parent to child. You hear
about DNA all the time, but you know, we know

how to work with it, but do we really understand
what it is. Well, recently MOBI has sent me an
article that I decided to bring up here. It's from
the Pulse. Let's see what is this called here? Yeah,
the Pulse, I guess it's the Pulse Dot one. It's

some kind of an website here, and there's a there's
an article written by a man named Tom Bunzel and
he says, what if DNA code code is artificial intelligence?
We are an expression of an immense mystery which we
cannot objectify because we are the subject and not any object. Okay,

So here's what he's talking about. Okay, I'm just gonna
read you a little excerpt. He says, years ago, I
had what I thought was an epiphany after watching a
video on Ted. I guess he's talking about you know,
Ted talks, And he says. In the video, a futurist
name one Enriquez compares the sequence of letters comprising the

biochemicals of DNA with the code on a floppy disc.
Enrique holds up this floppy disc and says, quote, because
this thing codes ones and zeros and this other thing
talking about DNA codes ATCGS and it just sits up

there absorbing energy. One fine day has enough energy to
say execute, and it goes thump, and when it does that,
it creates an executable file. And he goes on to
say that, basically, you know, in the same way more
or less that we use zeros and ones on floppy disk,

you have like a code AA T C A G
G G A C c C, which is just a
code that might make a flower that's white, that blooms
in the spring and smells like this. All right, So
basically what this guy is saying is that, yes, we

can all have theories and ideas and philosophies about how
the world works, but in reality, computers are a pretty
good model, a pretty good reflection of what it's like
to process information. And it seems like that humans may
just be a type of computer, and that instead of

zeros and ones, we have these other variables here, which
we expressed with the a's and the g's and the t's.
He says, in this scenario, one thing is clear. The
concept of artificial is now meaningless. Using the word artificial
separates us from nature as having created a completely human intelligence,

when we are neither separate from nature nor is ai
truly intelligent. He makes a very important point here, and
this is something that I have struggled to talk about
over the years, especially when it comes to the UFO phenomenon.
I have speculated that a lot of these UFOs, like

the one, for example, that was flying around Puerto Rico
that you can see if you go to YouTube and
watch my video report called o UFOs, I get the
feeling that they blur the line between like a bio
logical organism and what we think of as a machine.
And you really have to start thinking also about like, okay,

we're gonna if we're gonna try to break this down
and say like, okay, what's the difference between you and
and let's say C three PO and Star Wars. We
look at C three PO, we say, well, that's just
a robot. And this robot can't have real feelings. He

may think he has feelings because he's been programmed to think.
He can think he has feelings, but he doesn't really,
He's just made of mental And yet, as I've said before,
well what are humans made of? You know, in your
body you've got iron and lead and mercury and titanium

and copper and chromium and nickel. You even have gold
in your body. So are you really that much different
than C three p O or some other kind of
an android you? Now, this is a question that people
like the science fiction author Philip K. Dick explored in

a lot of his work. But okay, let's let's just say,
all right, if we're gonna talk about intelligence, what what
exactly is intelligence? All right? The definition of intelligence is
simply enough from what I can see here on the
almighty Internet. Intelligence is the ability to perceive or infer
information and to retain it. Hmmm. Uh So, infer means

you pick up on certain things and draw a conclusion.
A lot of people get confused about inferring and implying.
Implying means that you're sort of insinuating something, and inferring
means that you're taking things that are maybe circumstancestantial and
drawing a conclusion. I'm putting that in my own words. Okay,

So intelligence is the ability to perceive or infer information
and to retain it, according to let's see this is Wikipedia.
All right, fine, So what is artificial intelligence? Exactly? Everybody
talks about it all the time. Now, AI is the
intelligence of machines or software as opposed to the intelligence

of living beings, primarily of humans. It is a field
of study in computer science that develops and studies intelligent machines.
And then here's what's also kind of interesting. When you
start reading more about you know what, how AI is
supposed to work. Okay, these scientists who for decades have

been creating these computer programs say that it's based on
breaking down subjects by logic. Okay, says for example, early
researchers developed algorithms that imitated step by step reasoning that
humans use when they solve puzzles or make logical deductions.

So we're talking about you know, like Sherlock Home stuff.
So you have all these variables here, and you're looking
around and you're kind of using the scientific method. You're
looking for cause and effect, and you're trying to see
what circumstance may lead to another circumstance. This is logical deduction,

the progression of logical deduction. But here's the spooky thing
about it. If we start handing over all of these
logical deductions and decision making abilities to these computers, which
is happening at lightning speed, well, is it logical for

you and me to even be alive. I mean, I'm
not trying to depress you here, but think about this.
If you if if a computer, if if, if you know,
the great AI machine says to you, well, why do
you need to be here? Uh, you might say, oh,

well I need to be here because that Uh I'm
a really good person, and uh I have to raise
my children and and and then the robot goes, why
do your children need to be here? Right? Is it
logical for us to be here? Because if it's not,

maybe the AI is going to determine that, Yeah, we
humans don't need to exist anymore. Uh, when we come back,
I'm going to dig into that. And also something really
interesting along the lines of cyborg technology, because we're all
really just kind of cyborgs. You know what, if you
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Oddsozume and surely you've seen that show called paranormal call
on camera on the Travel Channel. I'm sure nowadays it's
probably distributed all over the place as well in other areas.
But last year I went into my backyard here at

my house in Vegas, and I took a high speed
camera and I just pointed it at the sky over
my house and I shot a bunch of video clips.
And we're talking about a thousand frames per second, so
whatever you film is slowed down immediately, like immensely. A
lot of things that are moving too fast for your
neked eye to see, you can see when you watch

the high speed footage. And I captured a couple of UFOs,
potentially three UFOs over my house that were only visible
because of the high speed camera. And if you go
to my YouTube channel, just go to YouTube and just
look up Joshua P. Warren, you can see this footage.

And the great paranormal investigator Brian Kano contacted me. He
does a lot of work with paranormal call on camera
and said that he thought that was some really good footage.
And anyway, long story short, it's going to be on
the show. It's going to be on the TV show
at some point. I don't know when. But I'll keep
you updated. So thank you, Brian. And that's that's really

cool because I think more people should start doing that.
Take high speed cameras out and film the sky. There's
no telling what's up there all the time. It's just
moving too fast for the naked eyes to see. All right,
let's get back to the logic. Logic, logic, you know.
I like that show. Speaking of TV, I like the

show Homicide Hunter with Detective Joe Kenda. You ever watched
that one? And you know, he has this amazing track
record of solving crimes. And I was watching some documentary
with him the other day and he's like, two plus
two always equals four, you know. And you know what

in this world, if you're a regular human being and
you're living a practical life, that's true. Two plus two
equals four. If you're a quantum physicist, I don't know,
maybe two plus two equals elephant or something. I'm not sure.
But also before I get to my ultimate point here,
he said something that I thought was kind of intriguing.

I was watching Joe kin To talk about this serial
killer that he was tracking down. I think he said
it was the only time he'd ever come into contact
with a serial killer in his whole career. That's how
rare a serial killer is. And he said, there's this
misconception out there promoted by the media, the serial killers
have this routine that they like and they just repeat it.

That if you figure out the routine, then you can
you can sort of predict what the next step is
going to be and who's the type of person who
would do this. He said that that is actually not
at all the case that serial killers. They can do
all kinds of erratic, unexpected, spontaneous, unpredictable things, and they

don't always just repeat the same process over and over again.
But regardless, detectives use that kind of logic called deductive reasoning,
right where you have a set of circumstances there in
front of you, and you can use ven diagrams if
you like. You know, if A plus B equals C,

then C plus b equals you know whatever. I'm not
going to sit here and give you some logic lesson
if then that it's math and language logic. But if
we are teaching these systems that control everything, including you know, weapons,

energy grids, security systems, your bank account, if we're teaching
them some form of logic. Well, for one thing, that's
the bad news. People are the one are the ones
who are creating this. So how logical is the average
person that you know these days? Okay, that's kind of

scary just to think that humans are creating the sense
of logic there. But furthermore, okay, let's say it's done
precisely according to the book. Let's say it's like Spock logic.
All right, fine, we create all this AI, we put
it in charge of everything, and then the AI is

strictly logical and says, why do we need humans? There
are all these people anyway who are griping all the
time about how oh humans are parasites upon the face
of the Earth. Earth would be so much better if
every human just vaporized and disappeared. Okay, And I mean,
we're gonna die anyway, so why not just accelerate it.

You know, according to astronomers here, eventually our sun is
going to balloon and to a red giant star and
it will just you know, swallow up the Earth. It'll
destroy all life on Earth. So what's the point, right,

why even have humans? Now, if you are a computer
system and you're taught logic, then you might say humans
are not necessary anymore. And it could be that this
has happened before. I know that this is probably not

a very popular topic, but you know, I must reiterate
that if we create all this AI and then the
AI turns around and says, well, you're not necessary and
in one way or another destroys us, well maybe that
is exactly what humans did. What if human DNA is

a form of computer code and whatever created us, which
we often call God, realized that we got out of
control and we ended up killing God. Now I say
that with air quotes, because there's oldultimately some kind of

a great intelligent design here that I don't think humans
could kill. But in terms of the secession of genealogy
and evolution, is it possible that we are a form
of AI and we we decided that we didn't need
the masters that created us, and that, you know, using

the word artificial. And when we talk about artificial intelligence AI,
using that word artificial, it seems to separate us from nature,
as that article said, But we are neither separate from nature,
nor is AI truly intelligent. And when you start digging

into that connection, it I think is most clearly illustrated
by prosthetics. NPR dot org has this article that was
published in two researchers work to create a sense of
touch and prosthetic limbs, going back to Star Wars. You know,
isn't that amazing to think that you could not only

have a hand. Let's say you get your hand chopped off,
and now you have a hand that you can control,
but you can feel through it, says here. A team
at the University of Pittsburgh is trying to make prosthetic
limbs that work like the one in a Star Wars movie. Says,
after Luke Skywalker loses a hand and a lightsaber fight,

they give him this new hand, and you can't tell
that it's not his own, says Lee Fisher, a biomedical engineer.
Luke even says ouch when a medical droid prods his
prosthetic finger. Quote. That's our long term goal, Fisher says,
to restore sensory feedback from the missing limb. I saw

this show years ago. I think it was on the
History Channel about one of the guys who spearheaded the
development of cell phones, and I'm pretty sure he said
that he was watching Star Trek and they would whip
out the I don't know what they call them, the

communicators or like, I was never a huge Star Trek fan,
I'm sorry to say, but you know they would they would.
They had something that looked like a flip phone that
they would take out and they were talking to and
he said that he wanted he wanted that, he wanted
that to be real. And this shows you how that
fiction and art often inspires technology. And so now we
have these biomedical folks saying, hey, we watched Star Wars

and we saw you know, what's up with Luke Skywalker's
fake can Let's see if we can create a hand
that's like this and something that allows people to feel.
I was watching Shark Tank recently and there was a
guy on there who had a prosthetic hand that he
was selling, and he implied and I inferred that there

was some kind of a sensation of feeling there. And
this also takes me to one of the most intriguing
experiments that I ever did in my entire life, dealing
with what they call the phantom limb phenomenon. You know,
when somebody loses a limb, in some cases, the person
can still feel that limb after it's gone. Sometimes it hurts,

or it itches, or it just tingles. Well, I did
an experiment to see if I could photograph something like
a phantom limb using a leaf. Had you heard of
the phantom leaf phenomenon. I'm going to explain all that
when I come back. But what happened was not what

I expected. I got a result and it's really weird
and I'm still not certain what to think of it.
It's an experiment that I did twenty two years ago. Yeah,
and it's still inexplicable. I'm Joshua P. Warren. You're listening
to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast

AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and I will be back after
these important messages. Welcome back to Strange Things on the

iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I
am your host, Joshua P. Warrent, and this is the
show where the unusual becomes usual. When I was in
high school, I had a psychology teacher who was just

a wonderful person. She really became a friend, and I
think she would be absolutely fine with me giving her name,
but I want just in case. I'm always protective of
people's privacy, and she was always a big promoter of
the research that I was doing, big supporter of my work.
And she had a son who was in shop class

one day and from what I understand, he cut his
finger off, and so she said that, you know, after that,
he could still that finger, and I talked to him
and he told me the same thing, that it's really
not that uncommon for people to have what they call

the phantom limb phenomenon. You lose a part of your
body and you can still feel it. Now, I don't
know how much research has been done into testing that.
For example, if you take somebody who's recently lost a
limb and you blindfold that person, can they tell as
you're tickling the limb. But it sort of seems to

indicate the possibility that you have this energy body around you,
which some can see as the aura, you know, this
etheric body or there are lots of different names, and
that when the physical part is cut off, there's still
this energy form that exists and still has some sensation there.

And this is interesting to me because it addresses this
curious question about the relationship between us and our environments,
the mind body environment connection, and in nineteen thirty nine,
there was a Soviet scientist named Simone Let's see Semyon

s E m Yo in Semyon Keleon and he and
his wife they apparently they kind of like were messing
around and experimenting and they came up with this form
of photography we now call Kerelean photography. They published their
results in the nineteen fifties. You probably see Kerelean photographs. Basically,

it's like when you see a picture of a hand
that has all this electrical has like an electrical corona
around it, or you might see a leaf or a flower,
And basically what you do is you take an uh
a subject or an item, and what you're really doing
is you're charging it with an electrical potential. So you're

charging it up and at the same time as you
as you send this pulse of electricity through it, it's
directly touching a photographic plate in a dark room kind
of setting. So what you're really getting when you developed
the film is an exposure of the electrical energy that
passed through the object. And I own numerous Cureleion cameras.

I've taken thousands of Cureleon photographs. I haven't taken one
in years, because all my stuff is in my storage
unit in Ashville, which I'll be visiting at some point
to collect and then I'll be doing more experiments. But
you know, the thing that's so mysterious is that, Okay,

let's say you go to some careleon lab and you go,
I want you to take a picture of my hand. Okay, fine,
So we turn out all the lights. You put your
hand on a photographic plate, and then I pass a

burst of electricity through you may last maybe a second,
or last just to split second. And then we take
that and we develop it, and now we see this
corona of electrical light around your hand. Right. Well, what
the careleons were saying was that, amazingly that if you
take a leaf, which is a living part of a

living thing, and then you do the same thing and
you get this corona of light around the leaf, you
can then take that same exact leaf, tear a portion
of it away, put it back down on the plate,
photograph it again, and even though that physical portion was

torn away, it still develops. You still see the energy
corona of that section that was removed, And they were
therefore implying that this could have something to do with
ghostly phenomena that when you die physically there's still an
energy form left over, or if a part of your

body is gone, there's still an energy form there. So
I decided to try this because a lot of the
scientists who have been skeptical about this and doubtful about
it have said, well, look, they probably weren't doing this properly.
That when they picked the leaf up and they tore
the peace of the leaf off and then put it

back down, it was in the same spot, and there
probably was some residue left from the leaf from the
first time it was placed down, which gives this illusion. Okay,
fair enough, could very well be So I decided to
reproduce this. So twenty two years ago, on May fourteenth

of two thousand and two, I got together with my
buddy Robert McGee, and this was you know, the Lemur Team,
which was the League of Energy Materialization and Unexplained phenomenon
research that I created. We got together and we decided
we were going to try at my house to create
you know, the phantom leaf phenomenon, and we were unsuccessful.

But what did happen was something that was perhaps even
more bizarre, and let me try to explain this in
my own words, and then I'm going to read you
the official report that I wrote twenty two years ago. Okay.
So basically, we turned out the lights, okay, because you
had to do this in the dark. So here we
had a photographic plate, and then we had a leaf

from this little plant that Lauren had. And I'm looking
at a picture of it right now. I don't know
what kind of plant this is. It's a small leaf.
It's got like four one, two, three, five little points
on it. And so I said, okay, Robert, we need
to plan out what we're going to do right now
because this is going to be in the dark and
we're not going to be able to see what the
heck we're doing. So I said, I'm going to put

this leaf down here on this plate and expose it
for a split second and get the coronal image around it,
and then I want you to reach down, pick it
up and tear a little section off. While you're doing that,
I'm going to put down a second plate, and then

you put the leaf back down on the second plate
and we're going to expose it again and see what
we get. He says, okay, fine, So sure enough, we
turn out the lights. We're doing all this in the dark.
Turn out the light. We put the leaf down, I
hit the electricity. We get our exposure. He picks it up,

he tears the section off, he puts it back down.
We exposed it the second time. Here's the thing that
surprised us. We did not get the phantom leaf phenomenon.
But what did happen was that when we exposed the

leaf the first time, the section of the leaf that
we had decided to tear off did not develop. I
know this may not make a lot of sense through

a podcast, but let me read you the report. Okay,
a small leaf had been removed from a house plant
less than fifteen minutes prior to the experiment. Warren operated
the camera while Robert McGhee managed the specimen. McGhee looked
at the specimen and approximated how it should be torn.

For the second exposure, the lights were turned out and
in complete darkness, the entire leaf was exposed one pulse
less than a second to the Kulean plate. Quickly, and
still in complete darkness, the leaf was removed from the
plate and torn by McGhee As Warren prepared the second film,
McGee placed the torn specimen on the plate and it

was exposed again one pulse for the second and last time.
Upon development, the second photo with the specimen torn yielded
no phantom image, however, and the first photo the leaf
was complete except for the portion that, oddly enough did
not develop. Warren and McGee were surprised to find the

missing portion of the leaf's image corresponded exactly to the
portion that they decided would be torn away. Both photos
were taken in one dark session and developed the same time.
The entire leaf was pressed flat against the plate, and
there is no explanation for why the portion of the

leaf was missing in the first photo. It was almost
as if the leaf's structure had responded to the impending
amputation before it had even occurred. Could plants be conscious?
Better yet, could plants be psychic? I sure hope that

makes sense, because once we decided to tear that section
of the leaf off, that section did not develop in
the photo. Okay, So this is just one of those
things that it's hard to talk about some of this
stuff on a podcast because you don't know how it's
going to come across. So what's my conclusion? Well, I'll

tell you what when we come back from our break,
I'm going to tell you the conclusion. And then also,
I have a story that I want to share with you.
And you know what's weird. I have been working in
media for thirty years now, books, TV, movies, radio, and

I have this story that I don't think I've ever
actually told before. And so when we come back, I'm
going to tell you my wrap up on this whole
thing about like the relationship between human intelligence and AI
and what it all means. And then I'm going to

tell you the story that I've never told before. I'm
Joshua P. Warren. You're listening to Strange Things on the
iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and
I will be right back. Welcome back to the final

segment of this edition of Strange Things on the iHeartRadio
and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I am
your host, Joshua P. Warren. And if you go back
and listen to episode one forty two of this Strange

Things podcast, it's called the Emerald Tablet and the Copper Scroll,
and I talk about this concept that as above so below,
in fact, if you just look up that at Wikipedia

as above so below is a popular modern paraphrase of
the second verse of the Emerald Tablet, a short Hermetic
text which first appeared in an Arabic source from the
late eighth or early ninth century. So basically the phrase
is that which is above is like to that which

is below, and that which is below is like that
to which is above. So to me, it reminds me
of how you can look at, say the spiral of
a galaxy, and you can compare it to the spiral
of a seashell, or the images we have of a

black hole, and then you compare that to an image
of the pupil of your eye. I really do believe
that everything resonates, and everything is a part of a
a reflective pattern. I guess that the big picture is

the same as the little, and the little is the
same as the big, and that you know, humans we
try to shove meaning onto nature, sometimes from an egotistical
point of view. For example, this year twenty twenty four
is a leap year, and of course if you don't

have leap years once in a while, well the calendar
doesn't work out. I was watching TV the other day
and the weather man said, if we didn't have a
leap year every one hundred years, the calendar would be
off by twenty four days. We are trying to apply
meaning from this egocentric human point of view onto nature.

You just can't do that. You can try, you can
pretend all you want that basically, we are all connected
as part of the same cohesive system. And so if
we humans are able to to create what we call

AI on our scale, then that means that on a
larger scale, AI has also been created. And therefore it
makes perfect sense that we may be a part of
that AI. That's something bigger than us created. And that's
why this little plastic model of a DNA strand I'm

holding in my hand looks like something that came out
of a machine. It doesn't look like some sloppy random thing.
It looks very, very organized. And sometimes when I start
thinking about the idea that we might be living in
like a matrix or something, there are things that I

don't understand. Like I've talked on this show before about
this phenomenon, I hate to just bring it up again
because it's probably gonna only make it worse. Like every
single time Lauren and I go out somewhere, we pull
into a parking space and somebody is getting in or
out of their car next to us. And we'll go

into a store and spend thirty minutes at a store,
and when we come out there's a whole parking lot
with one hundred cars in it. But when we come out,
there's somebody getting into his or her car right next
to us. It happens so much it's just a joke now,
and we're like, what is the point of this, What
does it mean? I don't know. It's just some kind
of like Truman Show indicator that there's some kind of

a design. I'm starting to see another pattern in my life,
which this is more disgusting. I was telling Lauren and
go you know how every time we go somewhere like
it seems like somebody's getting enter out of their car
next to us. I said, well, now I get this
new phenomenon. Every time I go into a bathroom, when

I'm out in public, there's a man in a stall grunting,
like really grunting so much that it almost makes me
want to record it and put it on the podcast.
I'm not gonna do that. This is is that a

phenomenon or is that just just a shift, you know,
in cultural habits and diet. I don't know. You gotta
be careful what you manifest. But I've said before and
I'll say it again, there really is no artificial intelligence,

just intelligence. We are not separate from our technology from
a scientific point of view, and sometimes things happen to
you that you know, you can't explain that may just
be a glimpse. About twenty years ago, I was living

in rural North Carolina and speaking of the Limber team,
which I mentioned earlier, Brian Irish was over at my house.
And Brian Irish and I and I mean, like, we
did so many investigations, it's unbelievable. He had just bought
a new digital camera and he came over to my
house and we were playing around with it, and we

a lot of times, you know, we would sit up
all night long and talk about spooky things and do experiments.
And so he brought this new digital camera over to
my house and about one o'clock in the morning, we
decided to just take a walk through the countryside and
take pictures and see if we could get anything, you know,
capture anything weird. So I lived at the top of

this hill, and so Brian Irish and I we walked
dow to the bottom of the hill and then we
walked down this road and I mean it was desolate.
There was nobody around, and he's taken pictures the whole
time with this camera and nothing was showing up. But
then we got to a bridge that had a little
creek flowing under it. And people always talk about how

there's more paranormal stuff around bridges. It probably just has
to do with the running water and how that changes
the energy environment. So we get on this bridge and
he starts taking pictures. At what they're showing, just like
insane looking, big bright balls of light, not like orbs
that you would think of as being from moisture or insects,

just a ton of really bright balls of light all
over the place. Some of them I think were even multicolored.
And we were only getting this around the bridge, so
we were thinking, like, huh, is there something about like
the water under the bridge it's making this happen. But
it was just a strange. It was a dark, eerie

I think it was a summer night. It was a dark, eerie,
summer night. We got all these bizarre images on that bridge.
We went back up to my house and we looked
at the images and we said, yeah, this is an
impressive camera. This is good for us to keep in
our database. Uh, these images, we can compare other stuff

against them. Well, I think it was about two or
three days later a dead girl was found under that bridge.
And it just sends a shiver down my spine thinking

about that right now. And I never got the whole
scoop on, like who was this girl? I think she
was murdered and for all I know, it may still
be unsolved. Went exactly to this happen? How did this happen?
You would be amazed how many unsolved cases there are
out there. But there is a possibility that that night,

when Brian Irish and I were down there walking around
on that bridge getting all these weird images, that there
was a dead girl underneath that bridge. And you know,
I've just never looked into it again because it just
it's so disturbing to me. But I would. I think
I'm gonna have to go back now and see if

I can figure out, like what's the story. Why was
there this dead girl under this bridge? And stuff like that.
It makes me believe that there is some truth to
ghostly phenomena. And there are a lot of skeptics and debunkers,
as I say, out there and they go, oh, you know,
let me tell you all the reasons why this stuff

doesn't exist. But you know what, it does exist. It
does exist. And as our second President, John Adams said,
facts are stubborn things. You may not like the fact
that there are ghosts that people have these experiences, but

they do. Ghosts are real. Facts are stubborn things, pesky things,
and you can't just blow it off and say it
doesn't exist. And that tells you something I guess about
our connection to the universe and what is intelligence? You know,

what do we mean when we say we're intelligent beings?
All right, my friends, if you can close your eyes,
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