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Things with Joshua Warren. I am Joshua B. Warren, and
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can do at home, and a lot more. And on
this edition of the show, the Brown Mountain Lights Part one.
Because this is a big story, I don't know how
many parts we're going to have, but this has been
a big part of my life and I decided I'm
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just going to take my time and tell you this
whole story. However many parts it takes, and it's kind
of like a soap opera. I believe you will be surprised. Okay.
I was born and raised in Asheville, North Carolina, in
the heart of the Blue Ridge Mountains there in the
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western part of the state. That's where my family on
both sides had been for generations. And if you drive
a little over an hour from Asheville, close to Morganton,
North Carolina, you enter the Pizga National Forest and you
find Brown Mountains. It's on the border of Burke and
Caldwell Counties. This is a long, low lying ridge about
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twenty three hundred feet in elevation. And uh, there's an
overlook there off of they call it Highway one eight one,
where you can park and look at this mountain. And
here is what I once wrote about Brown Mountain. The
back side of the mountain is quite lush, scenic. Streams
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rush through crags, cutting mighty gaps through the mountain boulders.
There are ferns, mushrooms, mosses, and other signs of moist life. However,
as one ascends the mountain, the moisture dwindles. Many of
the trees on the mountain side sparse and dead, perhaps
suffering from acid rain. The ridge is primarily composed of
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ordinary cranberry granite. It contains sandstone, quartz, and mica. Iron
has also been found on the mountain. The area around
Brown Mountain is a black bear reserve, and it's also
well known for copper heads, one of the most deadly
snakes in the country. The Brown Mountain area is extremely rugged,
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thus hikers and bikers in the area have died from accidents.
The side of the ridge is covered with slick rock faces,
especially treacherous when covered with water or fallen leaves. One
of the biggest reasons the lights are still a mystery
is because it's so dangerous and difficult to navigate the
ridge and surrounding land. There are also some small caves
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and holes around the mountain. It's noteworthy that Brown Mountain
is a short distance from the Lynville Caverns, the only
quote show cave in the entire state of North Carolina. Interestingly,
the ridge is almost completely encircled by thrust faults. I'll
tell you more about that later. This fact plays into
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some of the theories regarding the lights being related to
geologic movement during the daytime. From a distance, the ridge
appears quite insignificant, but at night, it can sometimes steal
the spotlight from any other formation in the Appalachians. So
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that gives you an idea of the location I'm talking
about here. And when I was a kid, I remember
my father telling me about the mysterious Brown Mountain lights.
That on this ridge, these multicolored balls of light would
sometimes form and float on around or above this ridge
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at night, and nobody could explain what calls them. Scientists
had studied them from all over the world. But my
dad was especially fond of a song, kind of a
bluegrass song that had been written about this um and
sung by a man named Tommy Fail. That last name
is spelled f A I l E. It's called the
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Legend of the Brown Mountain Lights. And uh, you should
look it up and listen to that song, and what
you'll find is that the version of the story and
the song uh, and there we'll get into some of
the different legends connected to the mountain. But the version
is that there was a man who had some type
of massive property in the area, and uh, he liked
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to go hunting, and he had a bunch of slaves,
so they say in the song, and so at one
point he went out to go hunting, and he never
came back. So one of his faithful servants got a
lantern and went out there trying to find him, and
the servant also never returned. But to this day he's
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still searching. And you when you see those lights on
the mountain, you're seeing that ghostly lantern as he's looking for,
as they say in the song, his master, who died
long long ago. Okay, so that's the story and the song,
and it's a very catchy song. And so again, you know,
this is how I kind of learned that there was
this weird phenomenon right down the road from me that
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had gained you know, national prominence. Now it's international, but
at that time it was national when I was uh,
still a kid. I don't know. It's hard for me
to say how old I was, ten eleven years old.
Maybe my dad and mom got me and my sister
in the car and decided, let's go see if we
can see the brown mountain lights. And so it was
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a big deal. We drove up to this overlook and
back then the overlook was very overgrown and it was
kind of it's kind of trashed out, really, you know,
and we were the only car there and we were
sitting there just you know, quietly watching this ridge in
the distance. There was nobody else around, nothing happening, and um,
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sure enough, at one point this was probably like you know,
eight nine o'clock at night, we start seeing these red
lights appear on the side of the mountain that sort
of would flare up and then dim and then flare
up in the dim. And it was just amazing the
impact that made on me seeing these lights on this
mountain and knowing that nobody can explain these and I
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just wanted to know what, what the heck they were right,
And so that for me, that really began my journey, uh,
investigating the Brown Mountain lights. And at this point, I
consider myself the world's top expert on the phenomenon. And
I say that because I own the website Brown Mountain
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Lights dot com. I've had it for a long long time.
It's very erry outdated. In fact, there's different software and everything,
and some of the stuff doesn't even work on the site.
But I promise I'm going to update that at some point.
It's just you know, not enough hours of the day.
But I've been on every TV channel you can imagine
talking about these Lights Discovery Travel Channel nat g O.
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I mean, the list goes on and on um. I
was hired to produce a ghost tour there in Morganton
which is run every October, and it definitely features the lights,
and that is thanks to Ed Phillips, who is the
director of the Burke County Tourism Development Authority. He picked
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me and asked me to do this. Their website, by
the way, is discover Burke County dot com. You'd be
amazed how much cool stuff there is to do in
Burke County. But also Ed Phillips asked me if I
would write a book about the Brown Mountain Lights, a
booklet really that they could give out, and I did that.
As a matter of fact, let me just read to
you the intro to my booklet here called Brown Mountain
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Lights of Viewing Guide and uh, you can actually get
this for free if you go to Brown Mountain Lights
dot com. There's a place to download this as a pdf.
I wrote. The Brown Mountain Lights are a world famous
topic of mystery and debate. For more than a century. Locals, tourists, scientists,
and researchers have been baffled by this weird and complex phenomenon.
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Most people think of the lights as a wondrous, colorful
display on dark ridges at night, and yet an entire
subculture associates the enigma with UFOs, underground bases, conspiracies, reality warps,
and high strangeness similar to the Bermuda triangle. In this
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book will focus on the display itself. Despite fascinating photographs
of weird illuminations presented for years, some who have never
seen the lights are convinced they don't even exist. There
is only one way for you to know. You must
venture out and look for yourself. I have been investigating
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the phenomenon for decades, and in this guide book, I'll
give you a solid understanding of the mythos behind the
lights and tips on how to properly observe the mountain yourself.
All the while I will maintain a somewhat cautious and
neutral view on what they may be. After all, they
are a great mystery, and though there are many theories,
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no one knows for sure, Hence the beauty of this
rare and mystical slice of Americana. Hopefully that helps to
set the tone for you on what we're dealing with here.
If you've never even heard of the Brown Mountain Lights. Now,
this area around Morganton is an area where lots of
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interesting legends have become famous or infamous over the years.
Maybe you've heard about Frankie Silver, for example. This was
a real woman. Her name was Francis Stewart Silver. She
was born in eighteen fourteen or eighteen fifteen, they're not sure.
And when she was around eighteen years old, she was
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hanged right there, you know, publicly hanged executed in Morganton,
in Burke County, North Carolina for the axe murder of
her husband, Charles Silver. And that made big headlines and
it made history in the area, and a lot of
people talk about the ghost of Frankie Silver around there.
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But then the legends they just keep coming. I'm gonna
tell you in a minute about the Native American stories
about Look. Then then we're gonna kind of get into
the scientists. What what if the scientist told us? And
it begins all the way back and seventeen seventy one. Uh,
what a story. It's intimidating to tell it, but I'm
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every day is golden and every night is silver. There
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are lots of stories, lots of legends in the folklore
surrounding the Brown Mountain Lights. One of them is that
around the year twelve hundred, there was some kind of
a battle between two Native American tribes, the Cherokee and
the Cataba, and the story goes that afterward the the
the maidens went out with torches burning, you know, at night,
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searching for the bodies of their slain loved ones, and
you can still see their torchlights burning. But historians say
there's no evidence that that kind of a battle happened,
so who knows. And then there's a story about a
man in the early nineteen hundreds who murdered his wife
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and child in the area and buried them somewhere around
Brown Mountain, and that's what the lights started to appear.
And then the lights led the authorities to the bodies
and they ended up, you know, arresting the man. These
stories go on and on, but let's talk about what
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what scientists and researchers have given us. Okay, I think
we can trace this back scientifically to weird stuff happening
around at least seventeen seventy one. In that year, a
German engineer named Gerard de Brahm. He was exploring the
area and he recorded some some strange stuff. He was
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intrigued by these unexplainable sounds in the mountains. I think
he said they were booms or something like that. And
so in his diaries he wonders, oddly if the noises
could be created by the spontaneous ignition of quote nitrous
vapors carried by the wind. Okay, that's what he That's
what he put So, I mean, who knows, but that
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is just you know, one of those weird things. On
September of nineteen thirteen, the big newspaper in North Carolina,
the Charlotte Observer, published an article, and again this is
nineteen thirteen it was. It was titled no explanation Burke
County's mysterious like still baffles investigators, and that article states,
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quote the light rises in a southeasterly direction from the
point of observation just over the slope the lower slope
of Brown Mountain, first about seven thirty PM, again about
twenty or thirty minutes later, and again at ten o'clock.
It looks much like a toy fire balloon, a distinct
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ball with no quote atmosphere about it, and as nearly
as the average observer can measure it about the size
of the toy balloon. It also says many have scoffed
at this spooky thing, and those members of the Morganton
Fishing Club who first saw it more than two years
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ago were laughed at and accused of seeing things at
night as a result of a common human frailty. But
as more and more persons have seen it, various attempts
have been made to explain the mystery. End quote. So
right there, if you just look at the newspaper articles
that shows you that the lights were definitely a hot
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topic going back to at least around nineteen eleven. So
after this kind of publicity spread, the lights were investigated
at least three times by the US government, once by
the US Weather Service, twice by the U S Geological Survey.
Even the Smithsonian conducted an expedition, and in a nineteen
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twenty two geological survey, a scientist named George Mansfield studied
the mountain and its weather conditions for weeks, and in
his official report titled Circular sixty six, he stated that
the lights were quote forty seven percent auto headlights, thirty
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three percent locomotive lights, ten percent stationary lights, and ten
percent brush fires. And many locals were outraged and felt
this report was just pure hogwash because the lights had
been seen long before autos and locomotives, and plus, in
nineteen sixteen, there was a great flood in the area
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that wiped out the transportation roots and there were no
trains or autos in the area for more than a week. However,
the lights continued to be seen. So this gives you
an idea of how seriously this phenomenon has been taken
for a long long time. And then things take a
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really weird twist when we we start getting into the
nineteen sixties. All right, so you have all these people
out there and some summer saying, well, you call them
what you want, earth lights, spook lights, will of the wisp,
fox fire, some people say the swamp gas, but there's
really no no swamp around me. In nineteen sixty one,
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Tommy fail As I told you f A I l E.
He records this hit the legend of the Brown Mountain mites.
I believe he's he sunk it at the Grand ol Opry.
And in nineteen sixty five there was this guy who
lived right there near the mountain named Ralph lil who
really brought the whole Brown Mountain light's phenomenon into the
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grand age of you fology. Now, Ralph Lell was a
very eccentric man. Uh he actually ran for Congress at
one point and lost. But he had a little museum
for tourists up there near Brown Mountain. It was called
the Outer Space Rock Shop Museum. And if you dropped
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by there, uh, you could pick up you know, souvenirs,
and then if you paid him a couple of bucks.
He would take you into the back room and he
would show you what he swore was the mummified body
of a little alien. Let me repeat that he had
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a mummified body of a little alien. And I have
a picture of this. I'm going to tell you how
to see this picture in a minute. But his story
was that he, you know, growing up in the area.
He would sit there and he would see these lights on,
you know, of a somewhat regular basis, and he was
trying to communicate with him, and he would start turning
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off and on flashlights and things, and and they were
sort of signaling back and forth like he was. He
felt he was communicating with the lights with his flashlight.
And then he got some telepathic instructions that led him
down this very remote trail to a sheer cliff face.
And it turns out that it wasn't really a rock face.
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It opened up somehow and he was to enter the mountain.
And when he entered Brown Mountain Um, he was met
there by some aliens that he described as not being
like the little grays, but more of you know, the
aliens that look kind of like humans, and that they
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were very friendly and the cave was beautiful, he said.
The whole interior of the cave was lined with all
these giant crystals. The Crystal Cave, he called it. And
they put him on a spaceship and then they soared
out of Brown Mountain and they took him on a
tour of the galaxy. And as he was zipping around
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the cosmos, they were showing him more or less movies,
uh that were kind of explaining to him how that
humans were created and then seeded onto Earth and how
that if we don't, you know, behave, we're going to
destroy this whole thing. And you know that the same
message that you probably heard many times. So he was
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very confident in all this. And uh, somehow in the
midst of this he said, well, I want some proof
so that I can give this message to others, and
he ended up with a dead body. They gave him
one of their dad and this is what you could
see for a few bucks, and apparently you could even
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take a picture of it. Um. There are only two
pictures known to exist, and one of them was taken
in person by Mr UFO. Timothy Green Beckley. You know
you've heard me talking about him. He was there at
Brown Mountain in the nineteen sixties and he took a
picture of Ralph Lele's alien mummy, and uh, he gave
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me permission to share it with you. There was another
photograph that was taken. Again, I only know of two.
There's a gentleman named Charles Braswell who has taken a
lot of great pictures of the Brown Mountain lights and
he's a professional photographer, and his mother took a picture
back in the day. But if you want to see
Tim Beckley's picture, I have it right now posted for you.
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I don't know when you're gonna be listening to this podcast,
so it might not be there if you go some
other time. But if you go right now to Joshua P.
Warren dot com and click the link to the Curiosity Shop,
Yeah yeah, I'm gonna make you go to the Curiosity
Shop and look at everything. Go there and scroll down
and you will see the picture of Ralph Lele's alien mummy. Now,
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you might say, come on, this guy has just got
to be some kind of a con man, right, But
the weird thing is that people in the area actually
said that Ralph Lele would um, he would pack a
little like a little paper bag lunch, and he would
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tell everybody, I'm gonna go off and see my Space friends,
and he would just walk off into the woods, and
nobody would see him for two three weeks, and then
one day he'd come walking back out and he looked
just as fresh as the day he went in, and
nobody could explain, you know, where he'd been or how
he'd been surviving out there. Perhaps one of the weirdest
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things of all, though, is that one day, um well,
Ralph Ley died and I've never gotten a clear explanation.
Is you know, I don't know exactly what happened to him,
but they said it was sudden, it was unexpected. And
after that somebody or some entity came in bulldozed his
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shop to the ground. And to this day, nobody knows
what happened to Ralph Lele's alien mummy. Go check out
the picture of it. If you know something, if you
know where it is, contact me when we come back.
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I'm your host, Joshua pe Warren and this is the
show where the unusual becomes usual. It's funny that Ralph
Lill talked about meeting these aliens in this inner world,
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this underground world below Brown Mountain. And then in nineteen
ninety there was a book published by the Mysterious Commander
X called Underground Alien Bases, in which he says that
Brown Mountain is an underground base of this type. More
on that sort of thing later, but just to give
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you an idea of how popular the Brown Mountain Lights
started to become. On May nine of nineteen, there was
an episode of the X Files TV series called Field
Trip that featured the Brown Mountain Lights, and uh, you
know it was it was a very weird episode, but
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it was obviously was ended up being connected to aliens
and UFOs and all that. But when this thing was
on the X Files, I mean a lot of people
heard about it for the first time because of that,
So there was this explosion in popular culture. More interest
in the Brown Mountain lights. As a matter of fact,
in two thousand fourteen, there was a movie made that
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was set at Brown Mountain, kind of a mockumentary type movie. Uh,
and it was called Alien Abduction. I'm in that movie. Uh.
The guy who made it, Maddie Beckerman. He he kind
of wanted to do a Blair Witch sort of thing
where he tells the you know, the story of this
family that goes up to Brown Mountain and gets abducted,
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but to make it seem more realistic, he actually hired
me and other real experts and witnesses to just comment
about the lights, and he edited that in. And to
this day, there are people who contact me believing that
that that mockumentary was real. He must have done a
pretty good job of convincing some people that that was
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that that was real. But no, that was just that
was just fiction. Okay. So anyway, when I was a teenager,
when I turned sixteen years old, one of the first
things I did was planned my first trip to go
up there with my buddies camping at Brown Mountain, and
over the next fifteen years that is exactly what I
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continue to do on a regular basis. Uh, camp on
and around round Mountain. A lot of times. I didn't
camp right on top of it, you know, because I
wanted to get a view of the whole mountains. So
I'd camp on one of these little ridges that was
next to it, where I had a good view of it.
And uh, you know, at least in the spring and
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in the fall all oftentimes we do spring, summer, and fall.
I never was up there in the winter. I'm telling you.
I capped in in the late fall, and it was
so cold and windy it there that, um, I just
did not want to camp up there in the middle
of the wintertime. But let me just sort of let
me give you an idea, um of what it's like
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to be there, all right, because uh, yes, you have
these public overviews overlooks in the Piska National Forest, But
you have to get a permit from the Forest Station
service there, the Forest Service Station and Niebo, North Carolina,
and they give you a key too, so that you
can open up some service roads and really drive into
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these places that most people don't get to go. And
when you have a permit, when you have a permit
and a service road gate key from the Forest Service,
and you drive forever, winding mountain dirt roads until you
finally reach the service gate, you know, the service road gate,
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and then you use a chainsaw and an axe to
clear away old fallen trees as your four wheel drive
groans up this service trail deep onto the mountain, and
then you set up your camp and you watch the
sun go down, and then late that night, when it's
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dark and quiet, you walk all by yourself, all alone,
thirty or forty minutes deep into those woods. Your senses
are magnified in in the dim blue moonlight. I mean,
you hear every twig and leaf and cool breeze, and
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there's a real feeling that on that mountain right where
you stand, at any moment, anything can happen, and you
don't know if it's going to be good or bad,
but you definitely know you are in an altered state
of mind. That's what it's like to be in the
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dark trees and bushes on Brown Mountain by yourself at night,
just waiting for something to happen. And as I mentioned before,
at that time, even the overlook was neglected and overgrown
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and kind of trashed out. And today I'm happy to
report the last time I was there. All that has changed.
It's been cleaned up, it's been expanded. There is a
nice sign there, a nice plaque that talks about the mountain,
even some picnic tables. I'm very happy that it is
being treated much better than it was back in those days.
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But I didn't just go up there with my buddies.
I also was able to go up there and invite
some esteemed scientists. For example, I camped up there at
least once or twice with Dr David Hackett, who was
a physicist at the oak Ridge National Lab in Tennessee.
He was with a group called O'Rion and back in
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the mid seventies through the mid eighties, they were camping
up there and they were investigating the lights along with
another group called the I think the Enigma group. And
he said they saw the lights many times. Uh. They
were able to measure to lurric currents, which is when
you put some metal rods in the ground and you
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see that there's all all of a sudden more electricity
running through the rocks. They even were able to set
off some dynamite to create a little trimmer and claim
that doing that would sometimes trigger lights. Now I don't
think that was even legal. Okay, I don't know. I
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probably wasn't, but they did it. They were scientists thinking.
You know, I camped up there with a forest ranger, uh,
with a rocket scientist from Ohio State University historian Dr.
Bill Forstune. I mean a lot of people, various team
people went up there in Campton, and you oversaw the
work that we were doing because we had all kinds
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of instruments. One thing that's really weird is that, you know,
if you have a Geiger counter, for example, a Geiger
counter is meant to pick up ionizing radiation like alpha, beta,
gamma radiation X rays, and I mean, that's what it's
designed for. But oftentimes scientific meters will be affected by
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things that they were not designed to measure. And that's
a weird thing that a lot of people don't think about. So,
for example, you might go to a haunted house and
you might have a meter, an electromagnetic field meter that
was designed to measure household wiring fields, but that thing
can still be affected by other fields that are outside
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of that particular frequency range. So, for example, with a
Geiger counter, usually if you get something that's radioactive, you'll
hear that pop pop pop pop pop pop pop, little
popcorn sound. But if you just encounter a strong electrostatic field,
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that will still affect a Geiger counter, but instead of
going pop pop pop pop pop, it starts whining and
goes and the needle just starts moving all over the place.
So there were a lot of times where you're like,
the Geiger counter was not um, was not displaying any
evidence of radioactivity, but it would just start going nuts,
meaning there was an enormous amount of electrostatic charge affecting
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that tube. And you can you can take a Geiger
counter and you can hold it up to a vandergraph
machine or something like that, and you can see what
I'm talking about. We had all kinds of equipment. You know,
you can drag a magnet across the ground all around
Brown Mountain and pick up all kinds of little ferrous stones,
you know, a little magnetically sensitive stones. You'll be walking along,
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You'll see a hole in the ground. You gotta be careful.
You'll step in a hole that's like three ft deep
and you know a couple of feet around and you
can break your leg and you look down on the
hole and you see water, just water, rushing underground, and
you wonder how extensive are these little little areas, right.
I had a big table top device called a VLF detector,
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very low frequency detector, and you can manually scan a
big range of frequencies from zero up to five hundred
thousand hurts. And I had a hook to a big
coil Antanna, if you're a geek out there, I'll just
tell you it was one thousand, seven eighty feet of
coil as one layer of twenty four gauge wire wrapped
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in a span of about twenty one point five inches.
This thing was tuned to a hundred and forty five
thousand hurts. Sorry that I had to geek out for
a minute, but just in case somebody finds that interesting.
And when the lights would appear, we would get all
this interference on this VLF device. It was never like
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at a consistent frequency though, but we we would pick
up interference, and that way we could tell, like, this
is not some kind of an ordinary light being created
by you know, like a headlight on a four wheeler
or something. And I had a spectroscope up there, and
which allows you to look at a light and and
see what bands of color it produces on a film
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and try to figure out what the light is made of.
It was I I never really got a good bead
on a Brown Mountain light with the spectroscope. The couple
of times I got a glimpse though it it seemed
pretty like a pretty broad ringe. It wasn't like a
specific things. But I'm just giving you an idea of
the things that I tried. If you go to Brown
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Mountain Lights dot com, you can look at this report
that I released, I think it was in two thousand four,
which really breaks down all the scientific stuff we were
doing up there. So word got out that my team
and I were up there conducting this level of research,
and that is when the very strange people started contacting
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me and telling me things that I had never expected
to hear. I'll tell you more about that when we
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Warren and I once wrote this description of the brown
mountain lights. They are usually described as multicolored balls of
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light that either flare up from one location or move
as a group through the trees. They are often reported
flying or floating into the air above the mountain as well.
Even though Brown Mountain has become the focus of observation,
they could more appropriately be called the Linnville Lights since
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the phenomenon has been reported throughout the area, especially in
and around the Linville Gorge. Most often witnessed from wiseman's view,
the lights frequently begin as a red glow flaring into white.
They can also appear as orange, blue, green, or yellow. Usually,
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a single ball of light only last six to ten
seconds before vanishing. However, on rare occasion, they may last
longer than a minute, especially when floating into the air
over the ridge. The movement of the lights is somewhat unpredictable.
One orb can divide into several, the smaller ones eventually
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combining to form a large one. Again, they might seem
to ooze around the trees and drift over the ridge,
or just dwindle and fade away, or simply wink and vanish.
The illumination is most often witnessed from vantage points miles away,
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and because of such great distances and the fleeting nature
of the phenomenon, most people cannot see specific details. Oh
of the decades, a handful of people claimed to have
seen the lights up close. Yeah, I'll get back to that.
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And I had an experience where I saw a light
that was pretty darn up close. But once word got
out that, you know, this level of interest was being
revitalized that my team and I, the Lemur team and I,
we were out there and we were doing this kind
of research. I started getting some very interesting letters in
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the mail, and I got one from a man who
was a reporter with a local newspaper, and he wrote
me this big thick uh, big thick letter and had
various materials in the envelope, and he said, I don't
know what to do with this except send this to you.
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And he said that because he was a reporter in
the area, that he had been contacted by a man. Uh.
And basically how this began for him was he got
a letter and he opened it and it said, if
you want to know the secrets of the Brown Mountain lights,
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called this number. So he called that number and nobody
answered the phone. And this went on for days, and
then finally a guy answered the phone, and it sounded
like an elderly man, and they had a nice conversation,
but the elderly man did not want to identify himself,
and he said, I want you to meet me at
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the top of a trail at the top of Mount Pisga,
all right, which is one of the biggest peaks in
the area around Asheville. That's where they have the broadcasting
towers for TV and radio. So you know, it's it's
it's a place that you have to make an effort
to get to. So sure enough, like that Saturday or whenever, Um,
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the guy got up. The reporter got up early in
the morning and he made his way to the top
of Mount Pisco. He was supposed to meet this guy
around noon at the top of Mount Pisco. I mean,
this is in the middle of the parkway, right and
this is in the middle of the National Forest. And
so when he got up there, you know, the guy
wasn't there. And the reporter ate his lunch and kind
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of dozed off, and when he woke up, it was like,
you know, twelve thirty, and he goes, oh, man, I
don't hopefully I didn't totally miss out on this. So
he figures I'll wait around till about one. Well a
few minutes after that, he looks over and here is
this old gentleman who comes walking up the trail and
he's got a walking stick and a hat and sunglasses,
and this is the dude, right. So they have a
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little small talk and then they walk back down the mountain,
or travel back down the mountain. I think there was
like a little tram or some kind of little train
or something you could take. And uh, at the bottom
of the of the mountain was a black jeep and
they got in the jeep and they start driving, and
the old man starts telling him a story. And after
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he assures the old man that he's not recording, and essentially,
the old man says, I grew up near Brown Mountain,
and when I was a little boy, I used to
go out and explore all the little caves and stuff
in the area. And one day I crawled into a
cave and I saw a light back, you know, deep
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in the cave. And he said, I crawled deeper and deeper,
and finally I saw this big, weird, massive blue light
kind of like squirming around or whatever. And he says,
I crawled up and it was a huge clump of
worms and these worms we're emitting this light and he
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literally said that. He described it as these worms had
some kind of a flaming blowhole, all right, and so
he he got some and took to show his dad,
but by the time he got them to his dad,
they were dead. And so this, this old man's story
was that when he got older and he got into
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like science class in school, he started going and he
would study these worms and he found they were producing
you know, like methane, some kind of natural gas, and
that there were these big pockets of it in the mountain.
And so he started basically illegally tapping into this and
had made a fortune over the years, uh from the
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the natural gas that he was illegally extracting from this
federal property, um the Brown Mountain area, and that you know,
that's what causes the lights. Okay, now that's a weird one.
That's a weird There's no evidence that any of that
is true. I'm not even sure if that's plausible. But
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that was what this reporter told me. And this is
this was this the beginning of this like cascade of
biz r O stories I started to get. Now, I
was at Brown Mountain myself one time, and I did
look down and sure enough, I saw a glow worm
and I was like, is that one of them? Uh?
And it turns out that was just a larva for
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a lightning bug they have, you know, the little glow
worms are. I guess that's what they usually are. So
you do see some glowing worms on the ground up
there from time to time. No flaming blow holes. And
then I was up there one night at the overlook
and uh, the one one overlooked, just watching for the lights.
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And there was this guy who came up there and
parked his car and got out and started talking to me,
and he told me that his family had lived in
Morganton for decades and they used to own a cafe,
and that back in the nineteen eighties that one day
a full bird Army colonel walked into the cafe and
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said that he wanted to make arrangements for them to
fix meals. That they would bring up two a service
uh gate um every single day for like a couple
of months to feed three hundred to four hundred men.
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And this was a huge deal, you know, for a
little cafe in Morganton. And they had to go to
all these extents to work out logistics, and you know,
get get the money they needed up front, and all
this kind of thing to fulfill this contract. And they
said that, sure enough, for like a couple of months,
every day they would drive up there to this gate
at Brown Mountain, A couple of MPs would meet them
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and take the UH the load of food and drive
off into the woods. And some were out there in
those woods. Three or four hundred men were being fed
per day, but they never saw them in And that
was also right around the time when President Ronald Reagan
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started UH discussing his Star Wars program around nineteen four.
If you're old enough, you might remember that the Strategic
Defense Initiative, we called it the Star Wars program. And
this was when the US was getting really interested in
UM and trying to use satellites and and you know,
(53:24):
space technology UH in order to control UM the security
of of our country from from the sky, from the cosmos.
I mean, I'm still not sure that we we know
all that they were doing, but it just seemed to
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me that at that time, I know, there was a
lot of interest in UM and studying space and then
and and now we have people talking about aliens being
there and now we have UH. Now we have the military. Okay,
we're about out of time, so I'll tell you what
um On the next show. I'm going to tell you
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what happened when I had a very close encounter with
one of these. And I'm also going to be telling
you about something that ticked me off. To this day,
I still kind of grip my teeth. It kind of
upsets me to talk about it. Thanks for sticking in here.
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this edition of the show, the Brown Mountain Lights Part one.
Because this is a big story, I don't know how
many parts we're going to have, but this has been
a big part of my life and I decided I'm
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just going to take my time and tell you this
whole story. However many parts it takes, and it's kind
of like a soap opera. I believe you will be surprised. Okay.
I was born and raised in Asheville, North Carolina, in
the heart of the Blue Ridge Mountains there in the
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western part of the state. That's where my family on
both sides had been for generations. And if you drive
a little over an hour from Asheville, close to Morganton,
North Carolina, you enter the Pizga National Forest and you
find Brown Mountains. It's on the border of Burke and
Caldwell Counties. This is a long, low lying ridge about
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twenty three hundred feet in elevation. And uh, there's an
overlook there off of they call it Highway one eight one,
where you can park and look at this mountain. And
here is what I once wrote about Brown Mountain. The
back side of the mountain is quite lush, scenic. Streams
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rush through crags, cutting mighty gaps through the mountain boulders.
There are ferns, mushrooms, mosses, and other signs of moist life. However,
as one ascends the mountain, the moisture dwindles. Many of
the trees on the mountain side sparse and dead, perhaps
suffering from acid rain. The ridge is primarily composed of
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ordinary cranberry granite. It contains sandstone, quartz, and mica. Iron
has also been found on the mountain. The area around
Brown Mountain is a black bear reserve, and it's also
well known for copper heads, one of the most deadly
snakes in the country. The Brown Mountain area is extremely rugged,
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thus hikers and bikers in the area have died from accidents.
The side of the ridge is covered with slick rock faces,
especially treacherous when covered with water or fallen leaves. One
of the biggest reasons the lights are still a mystery
is because it's so dangerous and difficult to navigate the
ridge and surrounding land. There are also some small caves
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and holes around the mountain. It's noteworthy that Brown Mountain
is a short distance from the Lynville Caverns, the only
quote show cave in the entire state of North Carolina. Interestingly,
the ridge is almost completely encircled by thrust faults. I'll
tell you more about that later. This fact plays into
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some of the theories regarding the lights being related to
geologic movement during the daytime. From a distance, the ridge
appears quite insignificant, but at night, it can sometimes steal
the spotlight from any other formation in the Appalachians. So
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that gives you an idea of the location I'm talking
about here. And when I was a kid, I remember
my father telling me about the mysterious Brown Mountain lights.
That on this ridge, these multicolored balls of light would
sometimes form and float on around or above this ridge
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at night, and nobody could explain what calls them. Scientists
had studied them from all over the world. But my
dad was especially fond of a song, kind of a
bluegrass song that had been written about this um and
sung by a man named Tommy Fail. That last name
is spelled f A I l E. It's called the
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Legend of the Brown Mountain Lights. And uh, you should
look it up and listen to that song, and what
you'll find is that the version of the story and
the song uh, and there we'll get into some of
the different legends connected to the mountain. But the version
is that there was a man who had some type
of massive property in the area, and uh, he liked
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to go hunting, and he had a bunch of slaves,
so they say in the song, and so at one
point he went out to go hunting, and he never
came back. So one of his faithful servants got a
lantern and went out there trying to find him, and
the servant also never returned. But to this day he's
(06:05):
still searching. And you when you see those lights on
the mountain, you're seeing that ghostly lantern as he's looking for,
as they say in the song, his master, who died
long long ago. Okay, so that's the story and the song,
and it's a very catchy song. And so again, you know,
this is how I kind of learned that there was
this weird phenomenon right down the road from me that
(06:29):
had gained you know, national prominence. Now it's international, but
at that time it was national when I was uh,
still a kid. I don't know. It's hard for me
to say how old I was, ten eleven years old.
Maybe my dad and mom got me and my sister
in the car and decided, let's go see if we
can see the brown mountain lights. And so it was
(06:50):
a big deal. We drove up to this overlook and
back then the overlook was very overgrown and it was
kind of it's kind of trashed out, really, you know,
and we were the only car there and we were
sitting there just you know, quietly watching this ridge in
the distance. There was nobody else around, nothing happening, and um,
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sure enough, at one point this was probably like you know,
eight nine o'clock at night, we start seeing these red
lights appear on the side of the mountain that sort
of would flare up and then dim and then flare
up in the dim. And it was just amazing the
impact that made on me seeing these lights on this
mountain and knowing that nobody can explain these and I
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just wanted to know what, what the heck they were right,
And so that for me, that really began my journey, uh,
investigating the Brown Mountain lights. And at this point, I
consider myself the world's top expert on the phenomenon. And
I say that because I own the website Brown Mountain
(07:56):
Lights dot com. I've had it for a long long time.
It's very erry outdated. In fact, there's different software and everything,
and some of the stuff doesn't even work on the site.
But I promise I'm going to update that at some point.
It's just you know, not enough hours of the day.
But I've been on every TV channel you can imagine
talking about these Lights Discovery Travel Channel nat g O.
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I mean, the list goes on and on um. I
was hired to produce a ghost tour there in Morganton
which is run every October, and it definitely features the lights,
and that is thanks to Ed Phillips, who is the
director of the Burke County Tourism Development Authority. He picked
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me and asked me to do this. Their website, by
the way, is discover Burke County dot com. You'd be
amazed how much cool stuff there is to do in
Burke County. But also Ed Phillips asked me if I
would write a book about the Brown Mountain Lights, a
booklet really that they could give out, and I did that.
As a matter of fact, let me just read to
you the intro to my booklet here called Brown Mountain
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Lights of Viewing Guide and uh, you can actually get
this for free if you go to Brown Mountain Lights
dot com. There's a place to download this as a pdf.
I wrote. The Brown Mountain Lights are a world famous
topic of mystery and debate. For more than a century. Locals, tourists, scientists,
and researchers have been baffled by this weird and complex phenomenon.
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Most people think of the lights as a wondrous, colorful
display on dark ridges at night, and yet an entire
subculture associates the enigma with UFOs, underground bases, conspiracies, reality warps,
and high strangeness similar to the Bermuda triangle. In this
(09:47):
book will focus on the display itself. Despite fascinating photographs
of weird illuminations presented for years, some who have never
seen the lights are convinced they don't even exist. There
is only one way for you to know. You must
venture out and look for yourself. I have been investigating
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the phenomenon for decades, and in this guide book, I'll
give you a solid understanding of the mythos behind the
lights and tips on how to properly observe the mountain yourself.
All the while I will maintain a somewhat cautious and
neutral view on what they may be. After all, they
are a great mystery, and though there are many theories,
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no one knows for sure, Hence the beauty of this
rare and mystical slice of Americana. Hopefully that helps to
set the tone for you on what we're dealing with here.
If you've never even heard of the Brown Mountain Lights. Now,
this area around Morganton is an area where lots of
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interesting legends have become famous or infamous over the years.
Maybe you've heard about Frankie Silver, for example. This was
a real woman. Her name was Francis Stewart Silver. She
was born in eighteen fourteen or eighteen fifteen, they're not sure.
And when she was around eighteen years old, she was
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hanged right there, you know, publicly hanged executed in Morganton,
in Burke County, North Carolina for the axe murder of
her husband, Charles Silver. And that made big headlines and
it made history in the area, and a lot of
people talk about the ghost of Frankie Silver around there.
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But then the legends they just keep coming. I'm gonna
tell you in a minute about the Native American stories
about Look. Then then we're gonna kind of get into
the scientists. What what if the scientist told us? And
it begins all the way back and seventeen seventy one. Uh,
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are lots of stories, lots of legends in the folklore
surrounding the Brown Mountain Lights. One of them is that
around the year twelve hundred, there was some kind of
a battle between two Native American tribes, the Cherokee and
the Cataba, and the story goes that afterward the the
the maidens went out with torches burning, you know, at night,
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searching for the bodies of their slain loved ones, and
you can still see their torchlights burning. But historians say
there's no evidence that that kind of a battle happened,
so who knows. And then there's a story about a
man in the early nineteen hundreds who murdered his wife
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and child in the area and buried them somewhere around
Brown Mountain, and that's what the lights started to appear.
And then the lights led the authorities to the bodies
and they ended up, you know, arresting the man. These
stories go on and on, but let's talk about what
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what scientists and researchers have given us. Okay, I think
we can trace this back scientifically to weird stuff happening
around at least seventeen seventy one. In that year, a
German engineer named Gerard de Brahm. He was exploring the
area and he recorded some some strange stuff. He was
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intrigued by these unexplainable sounds in the mountains. I think
he said they were booms or something like that. And
so in his diaries he wonders, oddly if the noises
could be created by the spontaneous ignition of quote nitrous
vapors carried by the wind. Okay, that's what he That's
what he put So, I mean, who knows, but that
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is just you know, one of those weird things. On
September of nineteen thirteen, the big newspaper in North Carolina,
the Charlotte Observer, published an article, and again this is
nineteen thirteen it was. It was titled no explanation Burke
County's mysterious like still baffles investigators, and that article states,
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quote the light rises in a southeasterly direction from the
point of observation just over the slope the lower slope
of Brown Mountain, first about seven thirty PM, again about
twenty or thirty minutes later, and again at ten o'clock.
It looks much like a toy fire balloon, a distinct
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ball with no quote atmosphere about it, and as nearly
as the average observer can measure it about the size
of the toy balloon. It also says many have scoffed
at this spooky thing, and those members of the Morganton
Fishing Club who first saw it more than two years
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ago were laughed at and accused of seeing things at
night as a result of a common human frailty. But
as more and more persons have seen it, various attempts
have been made to explain the mystery. End quote. So
right there, if you just look at the newspaper articles
that shows you that the lights were definitely a hot
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topic going back to at least around nineteen eleven. So
after this kind of publicity spread, the lights were investigated
at least three times by the US government, once by
the US Weather Service, twice by the U S Geological Survey.
Even the Smithsonian conducted an expedition, and in a nineteen
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twenty two geological survey, a scientist named George Mansfield studied
the mountain and its weather conditions for weeks, and in
his official report titled Circular sixty six, he stated that
the lights were quote forty seven percent auto headlights, thirty
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three percent locomotive lights, ten percent stationary lights, and ten
percent brush fires. And many locals were outraged and felt
this report was just pure hogwash because the lights had
been seen long before autos and locomotives, and plus, in
nineteen sixteen, there was a great flood in the area
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that wiped out the transportation roots and there were no
trains or autos in the area for more than a week. However,
the lights continued to be seen. So this gives you
an idea of how seriously this phenomenon has been taken
for a long long time. And then things take a
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really weird twist when we we start getting into the
nineteen sixties. All right, so you have all these people
out there and some summer saying, well, you call them
what you want, earth lights, spook lights, will of the wisp,
fox fire, some people say the swamp gas, but there's
really no no swamp around me. In nineteen sixty one,
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Tommy fail As I told you f A I l E.
He records this hit the legend of the Brown Mountain mites.
I believe he's he sunk it at the Grand ol Opry.
And in nineteen sixty five there was this guy who
lived right there near the mountain named Ralph lil who
really brought the whole Brown Mountain light's phenomenon into the
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grand age of you fology. Now, Ralph Lell was a
very eccentric man. Uh he actually ran for Congress at
one point and lost. But he had a little museum
for tourists up there near Brown Mountain. It was called
the Outer Space Rock Shop Museum. And if you dropped
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by there, uh, you could pick up you know, souvenirs,
and then if you paid him a couple of bucks.
He would take you into the back room and he
would show you what he swore was the mummified body
of a little alien. Let me repeat that he had
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a mummified body of a little alien. And I have
a picture of this. I'm going to tell you how
to see this picture in a minute. But his story
was that he, you know, growing up in the area.
He would sit there and he would see these lights on,
you know, of a somewhat regular basis, and he was
trying to communicate with him, and he would start turning
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off and on flashlights and things, and and they were
sort of signaling back and forth like he was. He
felt he was communicating with the lights with his flashlight.
And then he got some telepathic instructions that led him
down this very remote trail to a sheer cliff face.
And it turns out that it wasn't really a rock face.
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It opened up somehow and he was to enter the mountain.
And when he entered Brown Mountain Um, he was met
there by some aliens that he described as not being
like the little grays, but more of you know, the
aliens that look kind of like humans, and that they
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were very friendly and the cave was beautiful, he said.
The whole interior of the cave was lined with all
these giant crystals. The Crystal Cave, he called it. And
they put him on a spaceship and then they soared
out of Brown Mountain and they took him on a
tour of the galaxy. And as he was zipping around
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the cosmos, they were showing him more or less movies,
uh that were kind of explaining to him how that
humans were created and then seeded onto Earth and how
that if we don't, you know, behave, we're going to
destroy this whole thing. And you know that the same
message that you probably heard many times. So he was
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very confident in all this. And uh, somehow in the
midst of this he said, well, I want some proof
so that I can give this message to others, and
he ended up with a dead body. They gave him
one of their dad and this is what you could
see for a few bucks, and apparently you could even
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take a picture of it. Um. There are only two
pictures known to exist, and one of them was taken
in person by Mr UFO. Timothy Green Beckley. You know
you've heard me talking about him. He was there at
Brown Mountain in the nineteen sixties and he took a
picture of Ralph Lele's alien mummy, and uh, he gave
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me permission to share it with you. There was another
photograph that was taken. Again, I only know of two.
There's a gentleman named Charles Braswell who has taken a
lot of great pictures of the Brown Mountain lights and
he's a professional photographer, and his mother took a picture
back in the day. But if you want to see
Tim Beckley's picture, I have it right now posted for you.
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I don't know when you're gonna be listening to this podcast,
so it might not be there if you go some
other time. But if you go right now to Joshua P.
Warren dot com and click the link to the Curiosity Shop,
Yeah yeah, I'm gonna make you go to the Curiosity
Shop and look at everything. Go there and scroll down
and you will see the picture of Ralph Lele's alien mummy. Now,
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you might say, come on, this guy has just got
to be some kind of a con man, right, But
the weird thing is that people in the area actually
said that Ralph Lele would um, he would pack a
little like a little paper bag lunch, and he would
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tell everybody, I'm gonna go off and see my Space friends,
and he would just walk off into the woods, and
nobody would see him for two three weeks, and then
one day he'd come walking back out and he looked
just as fresh as the day he went in, and
nobody could explain, you know, where he'd been or how
he'd been surviving out there. Perhaps one of the weirdest
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things of all, though, is that one day, um well,
Ralph Ley died and I've never gotten a clear explanation.
Is you know, I don't know exactly what happened to him,
but they said it was sudden, it was unexpected. And
after that somebody or some entity came in bulldozed his
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shop to the ground. And to this day, nobody knows
what happened to Ralph Lele's alien mummy. Go check out
the picture of it. If you know something, if you
know where it is, contact me when we come back.
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I'm your host, Joshua pe Warren and this is the
show where the unusual becomes usual. It's funny that Ralph
Lill talked about meeting these aliens in this inner world,
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this underground world below Brown Mountain. And then in nineteen
ninety there was a book published by the Mysterious Commander
X called Underground Alien Bases, in which he says that
Brown Mountain is an underground base of this type. More
on that sort of thing later, but just to give
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you an idea of how popular the Brown Mountain Lights
started to become. On May nine of nineteen, there was
an episode of the X Files TV series called Field
Trip that featured the Brown Mountain Lights, and uh, you
know it was it was a very weird episode, but
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it was obviously was ended up being connected to aliens
and UFOs and all that. But when this thing was
on the X Files, I mean a lot of people
heard about it for the first time because of that,
So there was this explosion in popular culture. More interest
in the Brown Mountain lights. As a matter of fact,
in two thousand fourteen, there was a movie made that
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was set at Brown Mountain, kind of a mockumentary type movie. Uh,
and it was called Alien Abduction. I'm in that movie. Uh.
The guy who made it, Maddie Beckerman. He he kind
of wanted to do a Blair Witch sort of thing
where he tells the you know, the story of this
family that goes up to Brown Mountain and gets abducted,
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but to make it seem more realistic, he actually hired
me and other real experts and witnesses to just comment
about the lights, and he edited that in. And to
this day, there are people who contact me believing that
that that mockumentary was real. He must have done a
pretty good job of convincing some people that that was
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that that was real. But no, that was just that
was just fiction. Okay. So anyway, when I was a teenager,
when I turned sixteen years old, one of the first
things I did was planned my first trip to go
up there with my buddies camping at Brown Mountain, and
over the next fifteen years that is exactly what I
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continue to do on a regular basis. Uh, camp on
and around round Mountain. A lot of times. I didn't
camp right on top of it, you know, because I
wanted to get a view of the whole mountains. So
I'd camp on one of these little ridges that was
next to it, where I had a good view of it.
And uh, you know, at least in the spring and
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in the fall all oftentimes we do spring, summer, and fall.
I never was up there in the winter. I'm telling you.
I capped in in the late fall, and it was
so cold and windy it there that, um, I just
did not want to camp up there in the middle
of the wintertime. But let me just sort of let
me give you an idea, um of what it's like
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to be there, all right, because uh, yes, you have
these public overviews overlooks in the Piska National Forest, But
you have to get a permit from the Forest Station
service there, the Forest Service Station and Niebo, North Carolina,
and they give you a key too, so that you
can open up some service roads and really drive into
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these places that most people don't get to go. And
when you have a permit, when you have a permit
and a service road gate key from the Forest Service,
and you drive forever, winding mountain dirt roads until you
finally reach the service gate, you know, the service road gate,
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and then you use a chainsaw and an axe to
clear away old fallen trees as your four wheel drive
groans up this service trail deep onto the mountain, and
then you set up your camp and you watch the
sun go down, and then late that night, when it's
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dark and quiet, you walk all by yourself, all alone,
thirty or forty minutes deep into those woods. Your senses
are magnified in in the dim blue moonlight. I mean,
you hear every twig and leaf and cool breeze, and
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there's a real feeling that on that mountain right where
you stand, at any moment, anything can happen, and you
don't know if it's going to be good or bad,
but you definitely know you are in an altered state
of mind. That's what it's like to be in the
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dark trees and bushes on Brown Mountain by yourself at night,
just waiting for something to happen. And as I mentioned before,
at that time, even the overlook was neglected and overgrown
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and kind of trashed out. And today I'm happy to
report the last time I was there. All that has changed.
It's been cleaned up, it's been expanded. There is a
nice sign there, a nice plaque that talks about the mountain,
even some picnic tables. I'm very happy that it is
being treated much better than it was back in those days.
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But I didn't just go up there with my buddies.
I also was able to go up there and invite
some esteemed scientists. For example, I camped up there at
least once or twice with Dr David Hackett, who was
a physicist at the oak Ridge National Lab in Tennessee.
He was with a group called O'Rion and back in
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the mid seventies through the mid eighties, they were camping
up there and they were investigating the lights along with
another group called the I think the Enigma group. And
he said they saw the lights many times. Uh. They
were able to measure to lurric currents, which is when
you put some metal rods in the ground and you
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see that there's all all of a sudden more electricity
running through the rocks. They even were able to set
off some dynamite to create a little trimmer and claim
that doing that would sometimes trigger lights. Now I don't
think that was even legal. Okay, I don't know. I
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probably wasn't, but they did it. They were scientists thinking.
You know, I camped up there with a forest ranger, uh,
with a rocket scientist from Ohio State University historian Dr.
Bill Forstune. I mean a lot of people, various team
people went up there in Campton, and you oversaw the
work that we were doing because we had all kinds
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of instruments. One thing that's really weird is that, you know,
if you have a Geiger counter, for example, a Geiger
counter is meant to pick up ionizing radiation like alpha, beta,
gamma radiation X rays, and I mean, that's what it's
designed for. But oftentimes scientific meters will be affected by
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things that they were not designed to measure. And that's
a weird thing that a lot of people don't think about. So,
for example, you might go to a haunted house and
you might have a meter, an electromagnetic field meter that
was designed to measure household wiring fields, but that thing
can still be affected by other fields that are outside
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of that particular frequency range. So, for example, with a
Geiger counter, usually if you get something that's radioactive, you'll
hear that pop pop pop pop pop pop pop, little
popcorn sound. But if you just encounter a strong electrostatic field,
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that will still affect a Geiger counter, but instead of
going pop pop pop pop pop, it starts whining and
goes and the needle just starts moving all over the place.
So there were a lot of times where you're like,
the Geiger counter was not um, was not displaying any
evidence of radioactivity, but it would just start going nuts,
meaning there was an enormous amount of electrostatic charge affecting
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that tube. And you can you can take a Geiger
counter and you can hold it up to a vandergraph
machine or something like that, and you can see what
I'm talking about. We had all kinds of equipment. You know,
you can drag a magnet across the ground all around
Brown Mountain and pick up all kinds of little ferrous stones,
you know, a little magnetically sensitive stones. You'll be walking along,
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You'll see a hole in the ground. You gotta be careful.
You'll step in a hole that's like three ft deep
and you know a couple of feet around and you
can break your leg and you look down on the
hole and you see water, just water, rushing underground, and
you wonder how extensive are these little little areas, right.
I had a big table top device called a VLF detector,
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very low frequency detector, and you can manually scan a
big range of frequencies from zero up to five hundred
thousand hurts. And I had a hook to a big
coil Antanna, if you're a geek out there, I'll just
tell you it was one thousand, seven eighty feet of
coil as one layer of twenty four gauge wire wrapped
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in a span of about twenty one point five inches.
This thing was tuned to a hundred and forty five
thousand hurts. Sorry that I had to geek out for
a minute, but just in case somebody finds that interesting.
And when the lights would appear, we would get all
this interference on this VLF device. It was never like
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at a consistent frequency though, but we we would pick
up interference, and that way we could tell, like, this
is not some kind of an ordinary light being created
by you know, like a headlight on a four wheeler
or something. And I had a spectroscope up there, and
which allows you to look at a light and and
see what bands of color it produces on a film
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and try to figure out what the light is made of.
It was I I never really got a good bead
on a Brown Mountain light with the spectroscope. The couple
of times I got a glimpse though it it seemed
pretty like a pretty broad ringe. It wasn't like a
specific things. But I'm just giving you an idea of
the things that I tried. If you go to Brown
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Mountain Lights dot com, you can look at this report
that I released, I think it was in two thousand four,
which really breaks down all the scientific stuff we were
doing up there. So word got out that my team
and I were up there conducting this level of research,
and that is when the very strange people started contacting
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me and telling me things that I had never expected
to hear. I'll tell you more about that when we
come back. I'm Joshua P. Warren. You're listening to strange
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Warren and I once wrote this description of the brown
mountain lights. They are usually described as multicolored balls of
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light that either flare up from one location or move
as a group through the trees. They are often reported
flying or floating into the air above the mountain as well.
Even though Brown Mountain has become the focus of observation,
they could more appropriately be called the Linnville Lights since
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the phenomenon has been reported throughout the area, especially in
and around the Linville Gorge. Most often witnessed from wiseman's view,
the lights frequently begin as a red glow flaring into white.
They can also appear as orange, blue, green, or yellow. Usually,
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a single ball of light only last six to ten
seconds before vanishing. However, on rare occasion, they may last
longer than a minute, especially when floating into the air
over the ridge. The movement of the lights is somewhat unpredictable.
One orb can divide into several, the smaller ones eventually
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combining to form a large one. Again, they might seem
to ooze around the trees and drift over the ridge,
or just dwindle and fade away, or simply wink and vanish.
The illumination is most often witnessed from vantage points miles away,
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and because of such great distances and the fleeting nature
of the phenomenon, most people cannot see specific details. Oh
of the decades, a handful of people claimed to have
seen the lights up close. Yeah, I'll get back to that.
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And I had an experience where I saw a light
that was pretty darn up close. But once word got
out that, you know, this level of interest was being
revitalized that my team and I, the Lemur team and I,
we were out there and we were doing this kind
of research. I started getting some very interesting letters in
(46:34):
the mail, and I got one from a man who
was a reporter with a local newspaper, and he wrote
me this big thick uh, big thick letter and had
various materials in the envelope, and he said, I don't
know what to do with this except send this to you.
(46:56):
And he said that because he was a reporter in
the area, that he had been contacted by a man. Uh.
And basically how this began for him was he got
a letter and he opened it and it said, if
you want to know the secrets of the Brown Mountain lights,
(47:17):
called this number. So he called that number and nobody
answered the phone. And this went on for days, and
then finally a guy answered the phone, and it sounded
like an elderly man, and they had a nice conversation,
but the elderly man did not want to identify himself,
and he said, I want you to meet me at
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the top of a trail at the top of Mount Pisga,
all right, which is one of the biggest peaks in
the area around Asheville. That's where they have the broadcasting
towers for TV and radio. So you know, it's it's
it's a place that you have to make an effort
to get to. So sure enough, like that Saturday or whenever, Um,
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the guy got up. The reporter got up early in
the morning and he made his way to the top
of Mount Pisco. He was supposed to meet this guy
around noon at the top of Mount Pisco. I mean,
this is in the middle of the parkway, right and
this is in the middle of the National Forest. And
so when he got up there, you know, the guy
wasn't there. And the reporter ate his lunch and kind
(48:22):
of dozed off, and when he woke up, it was like,
you know, twelve thirty, and he goes, oh, man, I
don't hopefully I didn't totally miss out on this. So
he figures I'll wait around till about one. Well a
few minutes after that, he looks over and here is
this old gentleman who comes walking up the trail and
he's got a walking stick and a hat and sunglasses,
and this is the dude, right. So they have a
(48:46):
little small talk and then they walk back down the mountain,
or travel back down the mountain. I think there was
like a little tram or some kind of little train
or something you could take. And uh, at the bottom
of the of the mountain was a black jeep and
they got in the jeep and they start driving, and
the old man starts telling him a story. And after
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he assures the old man that he's not recording, and essentially,
the old man says, I grew up near Brown Mountain,
and when I was a little boy, I used to
go out and explore all the little caves and stuff
in the area. And one day I crawled into a
cave and I saw a light back, you know, deep
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in the cave. And he said, I crawled deeper and deeper,
and finally I saw this big, weird, massive blue light
kind of like squirming around or whatever. And he says,
I crawled up and it was a huge clump of
worms and these worms we're emitting this light and he
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literally said that. He described it as these worms had
some kind of a flaming blowhole, all right, and so
he he got some and took to show his dad,
but by the time he got them to his dad,
they were dead. And so this, this old man's story
was that when he got older and he got into
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like science class in school, he started going and he
would study these worms and he found they were producing
you know, like methane, some kind of natural gas, and
that there were these big pockets of it in the mountain.
And so he started basically illegally tapping into this and
had made a fortune over the years, uh from the
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the natural gas that he was illegally extracting from this
federal property, um the Brown Mountain area, and that you know,
that's what causes the lights. Okay, now that's a weird one.
That's a weird There's no evidence that any of that
is true. I'm not even sure if that's plausible. But
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that was what this reporter told me. And this is
this was this the beginning of this like cascade of
biz r O stories I started to get. Now, I
was at Brown Mountain myself one time, and I did
look down and sure enough, I saw a glow worm
and I was like, is that one of them? Uh?
And it turns out that was just a larva for
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a lightning bug they have, you know, the little glow
worms are. I guess that's what they usually are. So
you do see some glowing worms on the ground up
there from time to time. No flaming blow holes. And
then I was up there one night at the overlook
and uh, the one one overlooked, just watching for the lights.
(51:35):
And there was this guy who came up there and
parked his car and got out and started talking to me,
and he told me that his family had lived in
Morganton for decades and they used to own a cafe,
and that back in the nineteen eighties that one day
a full bird Army colonel walked into the cafe and
(52:00):
said that he wanted to make arrangements for them to
fix meals. That they would bring up two a service
uh gate um every single day for like a couple
of months to feed three hundred to four hundred men.
(52:21):
And this was a huge deal, you know, for a
little cafe in Morganton. And they had to go to
all these extents to work out logistics, and you know,
get get the money they needed up front, and all
this kind of thing to fulfill this contract. And they
said that, sure enough, for like a couple of months,
every day they would drive up there to this gate
at Brown Mountain, A couple of MPs would meet them
(52:42):
and take the UH the load of food and drive
off into the woods. And some were out there in
those woods. Three or four hundred men were being fed
per day, but they never saw them in And that
was also right around the time when President Ronald Reagan
(53:02):
started UH discussing his Star Wars program around nineteen four.
If you're old enough, you might remember that the Strategic
Defense Initiative, we called it the Star Wars program. And
this was when the US was getting really interested in
UM and trying to use satellites and and you know,
(53:24):
space technology UH in order to control UM the security
of of our country from from the sky, from the cosmos.
I mean, I'm still not sure that we we know
all that they were doing, but it just seemed to
(53:45):
me that at that time, I know, there was a
lot of interest in UM and studying space and then
and and now we have people talking about aliens being
there and now we have UH. Now we have the military. Okay,
we're about out of time, so I'll tell you what
um On the next show. I'm going to tell you
(54:06):
what happened when I had a very close encounter with
one of these. And I'm also going to be telling
you about something that ticked me off. To this day,
I still kind of grip my teeth. It kind of
upsets me to talk about it. Thanks for sticking in here.
Here is the good fortune tone, take a deep breath, enjoy.
(54:49):
That's it for this edition of the show. Follow me
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