September 6, 2023 • 14 mins
Is OK the best word? It's certainly one of the most versatile. Check the interesting history of this weird contraction.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh, and
there's Chuck and Jerry's here too, standing in for day Eve,
and that makes this short stuff. Okay, m.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Thanks to Dave Rus and HowStuffWorks dot com and grammarly
for this, because we're talking about okay, which some people
say is one of the most versatile and one of
the greatest words in the English language.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah, and I don't disagree.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I don't either. I say, like more, but I think
okay is probably second in my vocabulary.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Grammarly, we'll tell you that okay can be used in
myriad ways and it's a very versatile word.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
It can be used as.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
An adjective, Oh that's okay, Yeah, that's just okay, like
how was it okay?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Right exactly.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
It can be an interjection okay, okay, let's talk, or
someone's talking too much, okay, okay, right.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yeah. It can be used in the verb sense, like
give me an example.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
That guy's really okaying that boat all over the lake.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Okay, that's not that's not right, more like it's being
okay as we.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Speak, Oh good, yes, thank you, all right.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Or it can be used in the noun sense you
want to try that one.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I'm having an Okay for breakfast.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Nope, uh, we got the Okay, it's all good, yeh,
I know, so boring.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Okay, No, it's not boring. I'm just disgusting with myself.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
So very versatile word and the origin of okay. I
don't even think we should go over all the kind
of dumb ideas people have had, because we're pretty sure
we know where it came from, right, Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
See, so yeah, we know where it came from, almost
certainly thanks to an etymologist named Alan Walker Reid, who
at some point apparently put down his insects in his
lab and started researching origins. I don't know why, but
Reid was working back in the nineteen sixties and he essentially,
(02:20):
through really hardcore, old timey pre internet research, Yeah, traced
back the origin of oka, the letter O and the
letter K and the meaning of it as we understand it.
And it's got one heck of a rump slap in
origin if you ask me.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
He also had a newsletter called Stuff you Should Know
that ran for fifteen years, but he only put out
four topics because it took him so long.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, it took a while. But this is the sixties.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Even that joke was not okay.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
It was okay, it was okay.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So what he found out is the following in the
early nineteenth century, when printing was sort of a new
sort of not new, but it was cheaper to do
than it had been previously, and there was an explosion
of printing. Yeah, and one of the things that people
started putting out were something on the penny press, like
(03:15):
these sort of rags that were had a little bit
of news to them, but also some opinion stuff, some jokes.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
This is what's trending.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
This is a little witty poem, you know, just little
things like that. They've kind of likens it to the
Internet of the eighteen thirties. And there was a lot
of back and forth about this stuff through the editors
of these penny papers. I guess they would they would
sort of respond to one another through their own penny papers.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, they would trash talk one another, kind of like
how our old stale rivalry with John Strickland, Oh gosh,
kind of like that, right, uh huh. So there was
that trash talking or that joking in joking back and
forth between editors of these penny papers coincided with a
trend that Reid called a cranes in starting in the
(04:09):
summer of eighteen thirty eight. That's how good this guy's
research was. He pinned it down to that, starting in Boston,
that people started using abbreviations for everything. It was like
they thought that was so hilarious in eighteen thirties Boston.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, which is funny, like you think you might think
now is so over abbreviated like this point in time,
with texting in the Internet, with lols and I don't
even know what half of them mean. I feel like
and lo means lots of love, lots of love. Okay,
that's what I thought. But the craze started back then.
And here's just a few examples that Dave dug up,
(04:45):
let me see, dl ec do let them come, or
GTDHD give the devil a due, stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Like that, or WYG will you go?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Oh? Will you go?
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah? And so this started thanks to Charles Gordon Green,
editor of Boston's Morning Post, back in eighteen thirty eight,
and by the following year, this initial language is what
they called it. It spread from Boston all the way
to New York and elsewhere. It was a jam. It
was a craze and people were writing about it, people
(05:21):
were using it. So you have part one of where
Oka came from. You have an abbreviation craze that is
being spreading like wildfire thanks to the penny papers that
you can find in any major city in the US.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Now that's right, and we're going to take a break
and we'll tell you about another craze that also coincided
that made okay okay right after this.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Well, now we're.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Driving in your truck. Want to learn a thing or
two from Josh Pam Chuck. It's stuff you should.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Know, all right, all right, So several things aligned here
to make okay stick. We talked about the abbreviation craze,
but no one is going around saying GTDHD give the
devil his due. Most of these fell by the wayside
(06:27):
over time. Okay did not because Okay also coincided with
another weird trend, which was purposefully misspelling things. It was
just funny, I guess. I don't know if it was
like a bit where you were trying to appear like
you were just a big dummy or what. But it
(06:48):
became a thing where people would write, and especially in
these these penny press papers, they would misspell things. They
would write an opinion piece or like a letter, and
it's things were purposely misspelled, and people thought it was hysterical. Yeah,
and so you got things like, all of a sudden,
you had abbreviations that were based on misspellings, like KG
(07:15):
for no go, which would be obviously n O g
O instead of k now go, but they would still
say KG and people just rolled with laughter.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, no know stood in for no N a lot,
so no go no use was actually ky. They spelled
use with the y at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
And you know what's funny is quite a few times
over the years people have emailed us and done s
Y S N by accident, and it's sort of kind
of right aligned with this, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, some people also do s U S k oh. Yeah,
I've seen that too, which makes sense. Took me years
to figure that one out. I always thought it was
fat fingered or something. But as far as our episode
is concerned, when OW came along, the origins of okay
started to blossom. Now started to sprout from the ground
(08:11):
like a seedling with just one leaf attached.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
That's right, because OW stood for all right, all being
spelled ol l because and write being spelled w r
ight because misspelling.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Things was hysterical, hilarious.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Right, So are you following those people? It's a little confusing, I.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Think again, they thought this was witty and it was
a huge trend. And finally, in eighteen thirty nine, March
twenty first heads Off to Alan Walker read again for
real pinpointed it. There was another etymologist that said he
read must have spent hundreds of hours digging through tons
and tons of physical newspapers, journals, private letters, and other documents.
(08:54):
What that man did was absolutely astounding. And that guy
Anatoty Lieberman, a linguist and translator of from the University
of Minnesota, was absolutely right. And what reed did he
found the day when Okay was born?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, the very day, Because there was some trash talking
going on. The aforementioned editor of the Morning Post, Charles
Gordon Green, was trash talking with the Providence Journal Rhode
Island editor and there was something about the There was
a satirical citizens group called the Anti Bell Ringing Society
in Boston.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
The A. B. R. S. Green was a member.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
The editor of the Providence Rhode Island Journal was making
fun of Green, and they were kind of going back
and forth. And what happens at the end of this exchange.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Green says all correct, but he spelled it O K
as an O L L K O R R E
C T. He abbreviated, purposely misspelled and gave birth to
O K.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
So this in this case it was a lowercase with
periods little dot, little k dot.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
And this might have actually.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Gone away again as well, even though it started being
used a little bit in these penny rags. But along
comes another coincidence with Martin van Buren, the eighth President
of the United States, was running for re election. I
believe he was from the small town of Kinderhook, New York,
and like Andrew Jackson and Old Hickory, he took on
(10:32):
the nickname Old Kinderhook.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
And then what happened, well, that became his campaign slogan,
Okay is okay, Old Kinderhook is okay. And by this time,
this is the eighteen forty presidential election. He lost to
William Henry Harrison. I died in thirty days, but the
okay managed to live on as exactly the meaning that
(10:58):
we use it for today. Like Okay, that's great, and
it's actually evolved. I think they meant it much more enthusiastically.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Like he is okay, right, but.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
The linguist, well, I guess he's the late linguist Alan Metcalf.
I think he really did a great job at getting
to the heart of what okay does. Now we don't
we can use it enthusiastically. Sometimes when we do that,
we're using it actually sarcastically or telling somebody to get
off our back. But more often than not, as Metcalf
(11:31):
pointed out, it's neutral, right, And he really got to
it when he kind of I should say, he nailed
it on the head when he when he identified it
as neutral.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Right, yeah, but an affirmative neutral, So it's an affirmative.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
It affirms.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
It's a reply that affirms something, but not with any
kind of enthusiasm.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Right, So he was saying like it filled a void. Yeah,
and avoid that we didn't even know we need it
because you could do the same thing. You could affirm
something in the positive with yes, good, fine, excellent, all right.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Mah wasn't around yet, I guess.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
But all of those say not only yes I'm affirming this,
but yes, I say I think this is actually like
a good thing or a positive thing. It has some
venear to it. Okay is basically just like copy. I
got it. I know what you're saying, Yes, go ahead
and do that. I'm not saying I think what you're
doing is great. But if you're asking me for permission,
(12:28):
I just gave you permission with just okay. And that's
just one use of it as being neutral. But I
think that's a that's a great I think that was
a lot of great insight.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
He had no totally.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
If you're wondering about okay A why lowercase? There are
different rules oka A why came after O dot k dot.
But if you're a writer, they you know, writers use
things called style guides if you write for newspapers or
like when we used to write for HowStuffWorks dot.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Com, we what did we use? Do you remember? We used? Ap?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
So ap uses uppercase, ok no periods. The Chicago Manual
of Style, which is another popular one, uses both. They
usually capitalize okah and periods are not necessary but acceptable Grammarly,
for their part, says okay.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
When you.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Know, uppercase ok for the beginning of a sentence, but
lowercase ok a y otherwise and if you're wondering. Overall,
they found that uppercase ok is used about a third
of the time, and edited writing and okay ay about
two thirds of the time, which surprised me because I
never ever write or type out okay ay.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Oh I do. That's what I use the most.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Oh capital okay for me, baby, It.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Seems aggressive to me, so I tend to shy away
from that.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Well, yeah, because now that capitals have taken on a
meaning of like you're yelling at something.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Exactly, they're hostile. So a little lowercase okay and that
auy just adds a little extra like hug on to
the end of it.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
I like it, all right, I'll consider it.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
What I want to know is how many people are
going to write in about your entomology joke oh okay.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I don't know if you Probably few far less now.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Though, someone just stop typing there, I are.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Well, since Chuck just referenced somebody stop typing. Obviously, short
stuff is out.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
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Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh, and
there's Chuck and Jerry's here too, standing in for day Eve,
and that makes this short stuff. Okay, m.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Thanks to Dave Rus and HowStuffWorks dot com and grammarly
for this, because we're talking about okay, which some people
say is one of the most versatile and one of
the greatest words in the English language.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah, and I don't disagree.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I don't either. I say, like more, but I think
okay is probably second in my vocabulary.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Grammarly, we'll tell you that okay can be used in
myriad ways and it's a very versatile word.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
It can be used as.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
An adjective, Oh that's okay, Yeah, that's just okay, like
how was it okay?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Right exactly.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
It can be an interjection okay, okay, let's talk, or
someone's talking too much, okay, okay, right.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yeah. It can be used in the verb sense, like
give me an example.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
That guy's really okaying that boat all over the lake.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Okay, that's not that's not right, more like it's being
okay as we.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Speak, Oh good, yes, thank you, all right.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Or it can be used in the noun sense you
want to try that one.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I'm having an Okay for breakfast.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Nope, uh, we got the Okay, it's all good, yeh,
I know, so boring.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Okay, No, it's not boring. I'm just disgusting with myself.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
So very versatile word and the origin of okay. I
don't even think we should go over all the kind
of dumb ideas people have had, because we're pretty sure
we know where it came from, right, Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
See, so yeah, we know where it came from, almost
certainly thanks to an etymologist named Alan Walker Reid, who
at some point apparently put down his insects in his
lab and started researching origins. I don't know why, but
Reid was working back in the nineteen sixties and he essentially,
(02:20):
through really hardcore, old timey pre internet research, Yeah, traced
back the origin of oka, the letter O and the
letter K and the meaning of it as we understand it.
And it's got one heck of a rump slap in
origin if you ask me.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
He also had a newsletter called Stuff you Should Know
that ran for fifteen years, but he only put out
four topics because it took him so long.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, it took a while. But this is the sixties.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Even that joke was not okay.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
It was okay, it was okay.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So what he found out is the following in the
early nineteenth century, when printing was sort of a new
sort of not new, but it was cheaper to do
than it had been previously, and there was an explosion
of printing. Yeah, and one of the things that people
started putting out were something on the penny press, like
(03:15):
these sort of rags that were had a little bit
of news to them, but also some opinion stuff, some jokes.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
This is what's trending.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
This is a little witty poem, you know, just little
things like that. They've kind of likens it to the
Internet of the eighteen thirties. And there was a lot
of back and forth about this stuff through the editors
of these penny papers. I guess they would they would
sort of respond to one another through their own penny papers.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, they would trash talk one another, kind of like
how our old stale rivalry with John Strickland, Oh gosh,
kind of like that, right, uh huh. So there was
that trash talking or that joking in joking back and
forth between editors of these penny papers coincided with a
trend that Reid called a cranes in starting in the
(04:09):
summer of eighteen thirty eight. That's how good this guy's
research was. He pinned it down to that, starting in Boston,
that people started using abbreviations for everything. It was like
they thought that was so hilarious in eighteen thirties Boston.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, which is funny, like you think you might think
now is so over abbreviated like this point in time,
with texting in the Internet, with lols and I don't
even know what half of them mean. I feel like
and lo means lots of love, lots of love. Okay,
that's what I thought. But the craze started back then.
And here's just a few examples that Dave dug up,
(04:45):
let me see, dl ec do let them come, or
GTDHD give the devil a due, stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Like that, or WYG will you go?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Oh? Will you go?
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah? And so this started thanks to Charles Gordon Green,
editor of Boston's Morning Post, back in eighteen thirty eight,
and by the following year, this initial language is what
they called it. It spread from Boston all the way
to New York and elsewhere. It was a jam. It
was a craze and people were writing about it, people
(05:21):
were using it. So you have part one of where
Oka came from. You have an abbreviation craze that is
being spreading like wildfire thanks to the penny papers that
you can find in any major city in the US.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Now that's right, and we're going to take a break
and we'll tell you about another craze that also coincided
that made okay okay right after this.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Well, now we're.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Driving in your truck. Want to learn a thing or
two from Josh Pam Chuck. It's stuff you should.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Know, all right, all right, So several things aligned here
to make okay stick. We talked about the abbreviation craze,
but no one is going around saying GTDHD give the
devil his due. Most of these fell by the wayside
(06:27):
over time. Okay did not because Okay also coincided with
another weird trend, which was purposefully misspelling things. It was
just funny, I guess. I don't know if it was
like a bit where you were trying to appear like
you were just a big dummy or what. But it
(06:48):
became a thing where people would write, and especially in
these these penny press papers, they would misspell things. They
would write an opinion piece or like a letter, and
it's things were purposely misspelled, and people thought it was hysterical. Yeah,
and so you got things like, all of a sudden,
you had abbreviations that were based on misspellings, like KG
(07:15):
for no go, which would be obviously n O g
O instead of k now go, but they would still
say KG and people just rolled with laughter.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, no know stood in for no N a lot,
so no go no use was actually ky. They spelled
use with the y at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
And you know what's funny is quite a few times
over the years people have emailed us and done s
Y S N by accident, and it's sort of kind
of right aligned with this, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, some people also do s U S k oh. Yeah,
I've seen that too, which makes sense. Took me years
to figure that one out. I always thought it was
fat fingered or something. But as far as our episode
is concerned, when OW came along, the origins of okay
started to blossom. Now started to sprout from the ground
(08:11):
like a seedling with just one leaf attached.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
That's right, because OW stood for all right, all being
spelled ol l because and write being spelled w r
ight because misspelling.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Things was hysterical, hilarious.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Right, So are you following those people? It's a little confusing, I.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Think again, they thought this was witty and it was
a huge trend. And finally, in eighteen thirty nine, March
twenty first heads Off to Alan Walker read again for
real pinpointed it. There was another etymologist that said he
read must have spent hundreds of hours digging through tons
and tons of physical newspapers, journals, private letters, and other documents.
(08:54):
What that man did was absolutely astounding. And that guy
Anatoty Lieberman, a linguist and translator of from the University
of Minnesota, was absolutely right. And what reed did he
found the day when Okay was born?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, the very day, Because there was some trash talking
going on. The aforementioned editor of the Morning Post, Charles
Gordon Green, was trash talking with the Providence Journal Rhode
Island editor and there was something about the There was
a satirical citizens group called the Anti Bell Ringing Society
in Boston.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
The A. B. R. S. Green was a member.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
The editor of the Providence Rhode Island Journal was making
fun of Green, and they were kind of going back
and forth. And what happens at the end of this exchange.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Green says all correct, but he spelled it O K
as an O L L K O R R E
C T. He abbreviated, purposely misspelled and gave birth to
O K.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
So this in this case it was a lowercase with
periods little dot, little k dot.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
And this might have actually.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Gone away again as well, even though it started being
used a little bit in these penny rags. But along
comes another coincidence with Martin van Buren, the eighth President
of the United States, was running for re election. I
believe he was from the small town of Kinderhook, New York,
and like Andrew Jackson and Old Hickory, he took on
(10:32):
the nickname Old Kinderhook.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
And then what happened, well, that became his campaign slogan,
Okay is okay, Old Kinderhook is okay. And by this time,
this is the eighteen forty presidential election. He lost to
William Henry Harrison. I died in thirty days, but the
okay managed to live on as exactly the meaning that
(10:58):
we use it for today. Like Okay, that's great, and
it's actually evolved. I think they meant it much more enthusiastically.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Like he is okay, right, but.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
The linguist, well, I guess he's the late linguist Alan Metcalf.
I think he really did a great job at getting
to the heart of what okay does. Now we don't
we can use it enthusiastically. Sometimes when we do that,
we're using it actually sarcastically or telling somebody to get
off our back. But more often than not, as Metcalf
(11:31):
pointed out, it's neutral, right, And he really got to
it when he kind of I should say, he nailed
it on the head when he when he identified it
as neutral.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Right, yeah, but an affirmative neutral, So it's an affirmative.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
It affirms.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
It's a reply that affirms something, but not with any
kind of enthusiasm.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Right, So he was saying like it filled a void. Yeah,
and avoid that we didn't even know we need it
because you could do the same thing. You could affirm
something in the positive with yes, good, fine, excellent, all right.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Mah wasn't around yet, I guess.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
But all of those say not only yes I'm affirming this,
but yes, I say I think this is actually like
a good thing or a positive thing. It has some
venear to it. Okay is basically just like copy. I
got it. I know what you're saying, Yes, go ahead
and do that. I'm not saying I think what you're
doing is great. But if you're asking me for permission,
(12:28):
I just gave you permission with just okay. And that's
just one use of it as being neutral. But I
think that's a that's a great I think that was
a lot of great insight.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
He had no totally.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
If you're wondering about okay A why lowercase? There are
different rules oka A why came after O dot k dot.
But if you're a writer, they you know, writers use
things called style guides if you write for newspapers or
like when we used to write for HowStuffWorks dot.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Com, we what did we use? Do you remember? We used? Ap?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
So ap uses uppercase, ok no periods. The Chicago Manual
of Style, which is another popular one, uses both. They
usually capitalize okah and periods are not necessary but acceptable Grammarly,
for their part, says okay.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
When you.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Know, uppercase ok for the beginning of a sentence, but
lowercase ok a y otherwise and if you're wondering. Overall,
they found that uppercase ok is used about a third
of the time, and edited writing and okay ay about
two thirds of the time, which surprised me because I
never ever write or type out okay ay.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Oh I do. That's what I use the most.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Oh capital okay for me, baby, It.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Seems aggressive to me, so I tend to shy away
from that.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Well, yeah, because now that capitals have taken on a
meaning of like you're yelling at something.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Exactly, they're hostile. So a little lowercase okay and that
auy just adds a little extra like hug on to
the end of it.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
I like it, all right, I'll consider it.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
What I want to know is how many people are
going to write in about your entomology joke oh okay.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I don't know if you Probably few far less now.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Though, someone just stop typing there, I are.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Well, since Chuck just referenced somebody stop typing. Obviously, short
stuff is out.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
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