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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know, in terms of hard of the situation, because
now when you're in that life, it's like you live
by the gun and you got by the gun at
that point. Like in Chicago to Chicago, the tones of
Chicago are more aggressive, you know what I'm saying. So
then that would be like to be there and be
Somebody said, man, when you think about our journey and
the streets in Chicago mean I've got to st. Jackson
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and I'm Charlie Webster and this is surviving ol Chapol.
It's once you brought down the drug wall. Just twenty
years old, identical twins Pete and Jay Flores had built
a trafficking empire in Chicago. They were shipping thousands of
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kilos every month to different parts of the country and
raking in millions. And get this, they were only just
getting started. But to be able to give you the story,
if you the twins really are the real story behind
the headlines, there's two important people we need to introduce
you to. What makes the story is so crazy is
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that the twins both end up married to daughters of cops.
Talk about playing with fire. Jay's wife Fell definitely had
a profile back then despite having a police officer for
a father. She has a backstory that it's not all
that different to Jay's. Even I know about back in
the day, but I didn't know her full story. I
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started off by being a mule. They got caught Mexico.
Then they dropped the gas take and these the dra
They put me in front of the judge and lass
than seventy two hours and they said to me in
ten years. I just wanted to get out of his desperate.
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Mexican prison is the hardest probably prison that I've ever seen.
The windows are have bars, there's like no glass, and
bunks are coming in and cats are walking around, and
I remember there was just a ton of cats, and
I think that they had so many cats there because
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of past control, so there weren't rats. M The prison
was hard. I mean, the floors were subment It's like
you're in the third world country and and I was
just so scared. I remember the embassy coming down to
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see me. They come out to see you if you're
a US citizen, and they just checked them. You're like,
are you okay? Did anybody hurt you? Okay? We just
have to check and make sure that nothing happened to
you physically, you have no bruises. You're good. We'll see
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you next year. And I'm like, wait, wait, don't leave me.
What do you mean, Like you can't leave me. You
can't leave me here just taking a shower. The guards
they'll be walking by and like looking at you, like
it was just so degrading. I was dating somebody at
the time and he was dealing with the car. Tell
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they're obviously corrupt. And they said they were going to
pay the judge because he was going to get me
out of there. We're gonna pay the judge, We're gonna
pay the warden, We're gonna pay everybody. You're gonna come home.
I was so young, it was a baby. It was
like nineteen years old. He got this fake birth certificate
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from California. They said I was a minor, so they
transferred me from the prison two Julidle Correction Center. When
I get there, it's like worse than the penitentiary. With
a bunch of kids. They're like, come from the streets.
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We slept on cement beds, just blocks the cement with
like a mat almost like a workout, Matt. It's all
we stepped on. We ate beans with their hands, no
silverware for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and we drank water
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from the tap which is really contaminated. I remember we
had those shoes. They didn't want you to run. I
felt I'd rather go back into my ten years than
be in this place right here. I just wanted to
get out. I was desperate. What I did was I
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kind of talk all the other kids, tell them like
we need to run, Like there's four guards here, we
can get away because I knew that I can outrun
them even if I didn't have any shoes on. And
I remember them telling on me. So the rest of
my time, it's like every time that they took me
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to school and took me to church, I would have
to walk out what two guards holding me. So my
attorney comes to visit me, and he's like, I have
good news and have bad news, and I'm like, what
is it. The good news is everyone's been paid off,
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but the bad news is it's gonna take some time.
And I told him, wait, I can't be here, I
can't do this anymore. So he comes up with this
plan and he sets up this legal calm, the twelve.
I told my attorney that he needs to call and
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then he needs to cough when he rolls up to
the front. I'll never forget. It was December twelve, the
day of the Virgin Mary, and I remember every day
getting on my knees and praying to her to please, please,
please let me come home to my knees blood. I
cried every day. I didn't know what to do. I
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ended up trying to break my leg because for them
to take me to make a phone call, they had
to take me upstairs into the warden's office. And so
sure enough they came to get me, and I just
took my ankle and I remember just slamming against the
cement badge and it was like huge and it was swollen,
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and they had to call the doctor to see it.
I knew that they couldn't take me up the stairs
because they couldn't walk. So here comes the two guards.
Jet always walk with me everywhere I go. They take
me to my phone call, and then the front door
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was right there, and I would just always look it's
like right there. All of a sudden, my attorney starts
coughing on the phone. Yeah, just all this fo kiss
and I'm screaming my name in Spanish. All the guards
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are like bad, and I'm running. You can't even run
on these rocks with the broken ankle, and I dive
into this car and let me take off. In the car,
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it starts breaking down, like not even like four blocks away,
and all of a sudden, I'm pushing the guy, pushing
him like let me out, let me out, like I'm
ready to take off on them, like I want nothing
to do with these people that are picking me up,
Like I just want to get away because I didn't
want to get caught. I'm pushing a guy trying to
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like get out the car, and all of a sudden,
he turns around, takes his glasses off in his hat
and it's my attorney, and I couldn't believe he did that,
and he broke me out. They had set up these checkpoints.
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They were checking the borders because they didn't want me
to cross back to the other side. So I remember
I had to stay there for like a week and hide.
I ended up going with the family. They paid them off,
and I crossed over the borders, said I was a
US citizen. Mexico was not the last time Val would
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see the inside of a jail cell. Years later, she
spent five months in a US federal prison af the
refusing to wear a wire on her then husband Rudy
Kato Ranko, my second husband, Cato. I was in love
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with him. There was nothing that I wouldn't do for him.
I went to prison for him again. In the US,
the Feds pick me up because he's like this huge
target for the government. He's the king pen Latin King.
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He ran the city. Everybody knew his name, everybody was
afraid of him. He was aggressive, but at the same time,
he was the most charismatic person, and he had two
sides to him. I would see him like turn into
a monster at any given time he ran into somebody
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from another game, Like he would jump out the car
and just started shooting at people randomly. I would be
in the car and he would like literally take this
gun and like over my ear, like across me and
just start shooting at people. And my ears used to
be just crazy. I've never seen nothing like that, and
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to the point where I would be scared. And it
took a lot for me to get nervous or for
me to be afraid. But with Cato, it felt like
nobody could touch him, and he had power Kato was
a big deal. He ran the Latin Kings in Chicago
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and was known as King Kato. Kato and the twins
were close. They feel met through that older brother, Almando,
who was active in the Latin Kings. I don't think
there was anyone closer to Kate after vow who cared
then remember that, in fact, Kato is the very reason
Jane met Val in the first place. Men had a
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club fifteen years old, and when I saw I was like, wow, Like,
who the fuck is that like? And I instantly put
it together because I had heard people talking about her.
He looked expensive. You know, I'm at a club. Shouldn't
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even be at the club. It's actually over, I think,
I don't remember the Kado and all his friends roll
up and they don't want to let him in the
club because they know who he is that they're not
gonna let him and bangs on the window. Twin go
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call that girl over there and tell her to come outside,
and I'm like, we're in the club, what girl you
you know? But as I was saying, I turned and look,
I knew exactly who he was talking about. I remember
I went over and I tapped it excuse me, and
she looked like yeah. I'm like, Kaid was calling you.
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He's outside. He said, he wants you to go outside.
And she's like, huh, the kid who wants you to
go outside? Why doesn't he come in. I'm like, day
didn't let him in. She's like, how did you get in?
And she looked annoyed. She decided she walked out, and
I just kind of glanced at him, like wow. I
really really liked him as a person, and every time
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he would come around, I would just get very happy.
I felt some type of connection. I don't know what
that was, like some type of chemistry, but not in
a bad way, just because you know, I was married.
I was married to Kato. You know, I love my husband,
very faithful to him. But I just loved you as
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a friend so much that I would try to like
cook him up with like all the baddest girlfriends that
I had. Kato had a giant tattoo across his chest
declaring his love for vow with the words destined Forever
my Queen Valerie. He had been convicted of attempted murder
and was also deeply involved in the music industry. He
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was close with DMX, Fat Joe Busta Rhymes, and Kanye West.
Katle was murdered. That was pregnant time. I was devastating.
It was the hardest day that I had ever got through,
especially just a relationship that I had of a kiddle.
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He was my everything. Kato was shot and killed sitting
in a barber's chair getting his hair cut. In fact,
it was actually in the middle of watching the two
thousand and three NBA Finals between the San Antonio Spurs
and the New Jersey Nets. His death was a contract killing,
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ordered after he allegedly stole a hundred and fifty kilos
of cocaine from the Cineloa cartel. Notorious killer and boss
of the Four Corner Hustlers gang Lebart romance Span was
recently convicted of hiring the hitman Squeaky Simmons to gun
Cato down. After he died, DMX released a tribute song
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Ao Kato, which featured vow when Kip a week he
depended on me, so we were together every be Probably
after that, I just felt this connection with Jail, was
so in love with him, and I just didn't care.
I didn't care what people said. I didn't care if
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people knew. I didn't care what they were going to think.
When Jen will come around, like my face will light up.
And I just felt his positive energy. As much as
he was there for me, I wanted to be there
for him. I fell in love with him. I never
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loved somebody the way that I loved Jay. Nobody. Her
connection is so strong, and I think that he knows
everything about me, my good qualities, my bad qualities. There's
nothing that he doesn't know about me. He brought me
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back when Candle did passed away. I felt like I
could fill her shes and then I realized, like, no
what any of this stuff. I just want to be
with Ja. I just want to, you know, be his
wife and he had his children, and just be with him.
I guess there's just on spoken kla that you had
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to rate, like a year at least when something casses
the way of a while, what you're like. And I
fell in love with Jay instantly. At first, everyone thought
the twins were behind Kato's death. The way their business
started dominating the streets of Chicago and their growing connections
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to the Cineloa cartel didn't help the rumors, but it
was the way Jay and Val were inseparable in the
immediate aftermath of Kato's death. That really got the gossip
train going. When I was with Jay, You're in Chicago,
and I know that Jay and Peter were having a
lot of issues because me and Jay were together. It
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caused a lot of problems. That you two go together,
it caused a lot of problems. It's just even for
their business. I felt like that's it. I just wanted
to live a normal life, and I just felt like Jay.
I wanted to change him. And I think that every
woman that falls in love with somebody, they think that
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they can change the person they're in love with, and
they can convince them to do something differently. I knew
that this life was nothing but tragedy and devastation, and
that they were either going to go to prison for
the rest of your life or they're gonna end up
dead like Cato, and I didn't want that for them.
I tried, and I tried, and I tried to convince
Jay all the time, and I know that him and
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Peter fought over it, Peter being really upset at me
because I didn't happened to fall in love with somebody.
He didn't prove what they affected affected so much of
our lives. They also looking in I feel like you
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should is that you should? You're making the magic. They
could create a problem, and they created a prompt just
passed away, but like you're putting your hard in the
wrong place. Peter was wearing a bulletproof vest. It created
a lot in their business, especially what they were doing.
There was already so many risks that were happening, and
then with this they felt like Peter, I understand, his
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business was in business and they nurtured this thing, they
grew it, they scaled it. It was something that like
that was his empire and Valcay with a lot of bags. Yeah,
I came in with a lot of baggage. And for
me to come in and for me to come in
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and like, you know, kind of jeopardize what they had
going on was like you didn't want that extra you know,
risk and and that that danger, especially not in that city.
The relationship with my brother, Valerie made the whole city
to start talking talking, talking, talking tired. I think that
we're Valerate and who she was can when a lot
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of people talking about her with that like or like
intrigue or whatever. The cases that would make people be
in her business and they feel like my brothers and
were able to kind of be lokey for the nobody's
you know, in our own trickle in the cocaine, but
to have like maybe the phone light up and every
time they're talking to twin, you know, because of my
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brothers were vow. Now it became like an issue. M
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Apparently being attracted to the child of a cop was
something that seemed to run in the family. One of
the officers of the local gang units had a daughter
named vv that Pete was definitely interested in. I didn't
imagine that Peter and Jr. Were selling drugs are and
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a way to being who they who they became, no way.
I just thought that they were just fun and and
we would go out and it would go to parties
and to the lake and and it was just being
kids together. We met at fifteen fifteen, sixteen years old,
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so we didn't get together until we were Yeah, so
we were friends. I knew her dad before I knew
her because like in a gang union, and he patrolled
the neighborhood and everyone knew him. He patrolled the area
and we had our own encounters without you know, like
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being part of the team that readed her at home
where Peter came from. That neighborhood, my dad patrolled there,
so that's where my dad would go and risk his
life every day for so you know, being from the neighborhood,
my father didn't want me affiliating with anyone. When I
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first seen I thought she was like the most beautiful
woman in the world. I submerged myself into this big world,
even in Chicago. I means people think that it just
happened in Mexico, but in Chicago, the world was really
really big already when I was around that, I've seen
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that it was maybe too big for me, and I
couldn't see myself living that life with him. But I
definitely knew that the people that I was already choosing
before him weren't good enough for me either. So I
think that's where my heart was like torn, Like Okay,
so I have this great guy who is the perfect
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man for me, but his life was not what I wanted.
And during that time, I was going to school to
be a core reporter. I was in college, I was
working in a transportation business, so I had my own life.
I lived a totally opposite life like he was up
all night and I had to sleep at eight o'clock
because my day started five in the morning. So his
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life was totally different than mine, and I felt like
we weren't going to be able to live that life again.
It's ironic that I'm sitting here and um with this
the man of my dreams, and he's plotting the streets
of Chicago with drugs, and then my dad, I see
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him and he's putting on his uniform and he's risking
his life every day. Yeah, and during that time, he
would leave a roles in my car every day. So
when I would go to work, I would, you know,
take my little roles in my little office cubicle. When
I was going to school, I take my roles with me,
so you know, I was always reminded that he was there.
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It was exciting to walk around and feel like I
just think that, No, Chicago's a big gangster like world.
Like let me talk about al Capone in those days,
in that era provision and he we are in the
eral crack cocaine and cocaine, you know, and to be
at that height, you know, to be making minutes of
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thousand a month. We were selling the drugs like that.
Since two thousand, two thousand one, I could probably do
it like someone else that's like career in twenty years
in a month. Yeah, because we started off like even
back in two thousands, like we're moving a thousand kids
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a month. They hundred kid a little month. How much
does that quate to in my name? We're either making
two and a halveen and dollars a month. And at
the same time we're growing into different you know cities,
like I told you we started hitting the road to
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Milwaukee was one of the first places we went to.
You know, it's in Minnesota to Ohio. I remember like
sending fifty keys to Columbus and thinking, I made an
extra five thousands a killo on me tune and fifty
in twelve days. I could do that twice a month
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just with fifty kilos. Yeah. Later on we went we
expanded to Washington, d C. We can make ten dollars
a key from one part of the country to the
other part of the country. So we sent a hundred kilos.
We're making a million dollars and we were so like
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happy about it. But those of us who aren't in
the game. Key is another word for kilo. You'll hear
the Twins use it a lot. We're also losing all
the money. I always used to say, Well, one thing
is for sure is that I lost way more than
your average, your most successful jobs that has ever made.
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I lost it. I had to pay, you know, and
the I said, it was a fun time to have,
you know, apartments downtown and you know, in cars and
going out to the club and going out to eat,
and we had a dinner. The builty amounts like twenty dollars, right,
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So today I see, But at that time, I was like,
I just didn't understand the way it looked from the outside.
Inn Like you stupid punk, we're spending twentys and the dinner.
You think it's okay, Like I see it that my
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brother Nad we probably easily pushed over a hundred thirty
hundred forty tons, since I'm not bragging tons of companion.
But understand the part where it says I saw BOS
delete that ship. I want that you told my absolute
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ground level battle. They let us to this ship through
so all the way to the top of it perstructed.
Business was well, let's say, booming for the Twins. But
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in August of two thousand and three, things began to unravel.
Pete quickly realized in the worst possible way that when
you have that kind of money, people start paying attention.
I'll never forget the thing because it's such a so
my experience, you know, cho's built to be kidnapped, no
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one to be sitting there in you know, titled to
the chairman, surrounded by plastic thing. Really that morning that
was mean, say, by one of our buildings where we
had our bikes, our choppers, part cycles. It was a
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beautiful day every day it was sunny, and we're just
take it right downtown. Once I get there, it was
like I had a coff from one of one of
my customers, and I'm like, let me go take care
of that first. You guys go ahead. I'll meet up
with you later, but I'm just gonna head downtown. When
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I first pulled around the block, I had seen a
green Crown Victoria, like a cop looking car, part like
around the corner of the building. That struck me as odd.
So when I come around the block, around the building,
I'm making my little around, I see a blazer seemed
like like in a corner with tints like I could
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see like it was a perfect set up in a
perfect spot where it could see the building and see
the rods, you know. So it struck me so weird
that I actually put the car in park. I jumped off.
I jumped off the car. I couldn't seen it, and
I put my face like to the glass to see
if I can see if someone was in it. But
then we were accustomed to like give it this if
it is a badge or something. What we're you gonna
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tell you get away from a car. So it was
empty though. So when we go back, my brothers are
at part like under the train tracks and see them leave,
and I'm like, okay, well I wait a little bit.
I'm on the phone. We were supposed to actually jump
on the motorcycles. He called me over there to jump
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on the motorcycles and go for a ride. At the end,
he decided he had something better to do and he said, no,
I'm not going We're like what I'm not going? On?
Like okay, So we jumped on moorcycles. I remember I
was actually there for a while and I kind of
see the car that he was talking about. I changed
changed into my most like a gear. I'm like alrighty
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mm hmm. For some reason, I just headed back like
Northfounder and the alleyway. Right when I'm getting to the corner,
I see the north car pull up with his lights blinking.
They're kind of cutting me off into the alley. When
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I see him, like dude, I'm like, damn, there's somebody
watching me somewhere. Like they really almost cut me off,
like before you got to the end of the alley.
The minute they jumped out, they jumped out with their
guns out in their badges. They jumped out like with
there whatever special unit cats really proof vest and their
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guns out. Put your hands up, put it. Then that
goings out here. But I put my hands up, you know.
They're kind of st around the car. That get the
fun the car and you're love and then where's the gun?
Where's that? You know, and they're kind of like rushing.
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I love mem We're staring at the Caucasian meal. They
look a lot of funny, Like I looked at him
and he has classes unto him, just staring at his
face before he would even let me like answer a question,
he's asking me another one. He has his best I'm
trying to see the what logos they have on their
on their vest, you know, because you see where the
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fun is the gun, where the guys, where the other
guys at Now he wouldn't even let me ask one question.
So right a way you put like you turned me
around and don't fucking me, he asked me. He puts
the company and turn around and the other guy comes
to me, puts the cups on, and then I can
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see the other guy like he walks me back to
the squawker. Yea, he needs to put him in the
back of the car. Card. I remember hearing him saying,
grab his bag of phones. Yeah, it's f funny, like
like I had a bag of like through my mind
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on team, like like what's this about? Like man and
the Feds finally coming once I'm in the back of
that cop card handcock, but I don't see a radio
and they pull out the alley like for like making
speaks or like trying to get away from them and
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that kind of word you know that they leave my
truck sitting in the middle a little alley. It didn't
feel good. I'm waiting for like to see you know
there you know, vehicles out there, police presence. Thank for
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like what you call drug busters. There were other vehicles,
but there was just that one was just that one
that's kind of like took me like a little bit.
I was a little shocked at that. So I'm kind
of looking around to see what else I see. So
when they say we're the other ones, I'm thinking, did
they go like follow my brother and they're trying to
get you out time? And I remember when he asked me,
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what the fund you have about all these bombs for now?
I was like thinking of giving him a bullshit story.
I'm like, well, what the fund do you have me
in the back of the car for? Do you have
me in the back of cards for a reason? Like
just ignoring me? They take off and they stopped like
in a busy two way street. Remember this is like
two o'clock in the afternoon. It's a sunny day, you know,
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right in front of like the kiss and ride of
the train stations. So there's people like walking around and
then going to their cars, jumping off the train and stuff.
And they pull into like an empty like all bandon
like a lot, and I see a band sitting there,
a white band and it has a blue line across it,
like a double blue line, like that Chicago policeman like
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a Patty wagon and look at the driver. The driver
has like a hat on, sunglasses, we're like long curly hair,
and I'm like, when I see the curly here, I'm like, damn,
that looks like a wig. When they get out the
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car and they they kind of like brushing me off
the back seat, I'm so handcuffed that moment. I just
have to tell you that I thought my knees go
a little week. It doesn't feel right, you know. I
remember thinking like I wish I could run. They just
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instanct I want to run, And I remember grabbed me hard,
like and where the fund you going, you know, And
they've kind of walked me, almost carried me to the
at leasta, you know, and opened the back door. I mean,
he just didn't feel right. Pulls the gun out and
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he has to turn my back knee, pulls him into
the van. He puts up. I could feel the gun
in the back in my upper bag and he's like,
don't fucking move, you know, And I could hear him
and he cracks like a a hat, you know, like
a winter hat, and he puts it over back. But
he brings it out to my eyes and I could
hear him that you had the tape. While he's doing
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I'm like, look, you got me, and you the cops?
Are you the real cops? And they shut the funk up.
I'm like, look, man, you got me. I'm in the
back line. I ain't going nowhere like you got me,
just I'm just asking a question. He was like, I
ain't a cop. M hm h m hmm. By the
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time he's already putting the tape one in mine or
the hat and I don't covering my eyes. I went
through your mind when he said I ain't knowing cough,
it was like, damn, you got me. This is not
gonna go go. Would you almost to be rosery being cops? Yeah,
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the cops are gonna take me to jail. It might
stop me up a little bit. But that's what struck
me as out that you know, Chicao police like they
don't do stuff like this. I'm not, like, you know,
worried of Chicago police. I was nervous though, but my
mind was just thinking, how do I make this, you know,
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go wey as fast as possible. My brother and I
had a garage in the neighbor that we had for years,
and we had a older car. We had took the
era all the tires and stuff and disconnect the battery,
and we had like we had like three kilos that
we have been sitting for like a year and a
half two years that were a poor quality that he
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never took back. I got could get there in ten minutes.
That's the first thing that came to my mind. And
I'm like, look, I got three kidos ten minutes away
from it. We ain't gotta go far. You can have them,
and we ain't gotta go nowhere. And we're worried me
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that he didn't jump like test three D Hello. And
when we say these things, don't think that this is common.
You know what I'm saying, Like this ain't like a
normal for you to have, you know, a hundred kilo
city somewhere. That came back and put his knee in
my back and said, I'm sorry to tell you this,
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but you're gonna need more than that. When he told
me that, I was like, who the fund does he
think he has? A lot of things went to my mind,
like singing and good you know. He stood in the
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back of the van with me and the passenger, which
was like he was like six four. He drove away.
I remember trying to keep up with the turns, you know,
like one thing that my brother and I did. We
were around the street up down, like when knew every alley,
every corner, every street of the city, you know, and
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I'm trying to keep up to where they were going.
They spun me around pretty well though, I'm thinking I'm
somewhere like off the first habitue. Pull me into a
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garage and it's hot. I mean it's like ninety five degrees.
Everything's just you know, muggy out there. And I could
see the garage store was like see through. I've seen
the sun coming through. And they're talking. There's other people there,
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and then he has my phone. Heck, look, man, who
do you want to call? This is gonna help you.
You wanna call your brother? And I want to call
my brother. And I picked our associate because he had
direct access to these three kiddos, like one of our workers,
and he grabbed the phone and he's like here, call him. Oh.
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I remember telling him, look, they got me, they got me. Man,
I'm gonna put these dudes on phone. Do whatever they
ask you for. Just listen to him he was like, like,
what the fun is talking? Whot they get out of you?
Stop playing? I'm serious, or like I'm gonna put him
on the phone. Just do whatever they say. Real they
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got me, he was like what I could hear his
voice is kind of change and um. Then they slowly
like walk me. They he stepped me all the way
to like the side images of a home. I could
see like the cement driveway now but I can't really see.
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So they're walking me slow and they pull me into
the side and they walked me down the stairs like
I could see the stairs kind of coming down the
minute hit that basement. I could hear parrot, a parrot,
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a bird, like I hear a lot of bird, you know.
And I remember they kind of cut me into the
right and he walked me and I could then I
could feel the like plastic under my feet. You felt
like you're stepping on the garbage bag, you know. But
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it was like I could see later that was clear plastic,
like just like a big plastic tarp. And it was
not only did it cover the floor, but it kind
of covered up like he went up and they sent
me down in the middle of there's a rocking chair.
They sent me on the rocky chair, and they tied
me up to the rocking chair, tided my chest up,
tip my legs up on up to the rocking chair
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with rope, and they do my feet with dust tack.
But he put, oh, there's like a like a weird
belt rope, like I'm not sure what it was, but
I could feel around my chest and it was weird
about the rocket chair. It made me think that these
people they did this before, because every time I moved up,
it would rock me. It would almost impossible to get
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off of the rocket chair. Every time I try to
sit up, you know, I end up rocking back. They
wouldn't say much. I just hear the stupid bird and
the noise and talking, you know, same weird thing that
he was saying, fuck you or something. I'm not sure
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what he was saying. He was saying something like that
head yeah, the pair, like I can hear, and like
I could pick my eyes up, and I remember seeing
all like a work overalls, like construction overalls, like hanging
from like a pipe. I spent like hours sitting in
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the chair just thinking, like in silence, kind of beside
the stupid bird. What did he make you think. When
the fact that there was plastic and there was a
rocking chair, I mean, there was only one thing. I
think that they were gonna either kill me or trying
to torturing me into the tunnel. Something in my head,
I was going through the motion and I'm like they
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started torturing me, like they're gonna let me go. I
wouldn't let me go, So just thinking what I wouldn't say,
you know, And I was thinking about my brother, like, man,
I hope he's okay. Whatever it was at that time
when I put my friend on the phone. At the
same time, I wanted to create like a separation from
my brother. Had like the last thing I needed to
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spend them to grab him. So trying to protect jack Ah.
I spent the first couple of hours like that, and
I would hear them come in and now I could
hear them whispering. Remember they ordered pizza. I'm like, I
wish and you were kind of pizza they ordered, just
like I knew where I was at, you know, like, well,
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once it got late, I remember they come back and
they take me out the rocky chair and they walked
into the other side way. They had like a sofa
and a TV set up, and I could once they
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lay me down and they tied me up to a
pipe with handcuffs, and the guy comes in, the guy
who's watching over me. He's kind of like, you're all
right man, you know he's talking to me. I ask
me questions. You all right, you know, we don't want
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to hurt you, man, unless we have to. But it's
like we need you. We're gonna come back. He does, ma,
and he kind of pass me. He's like, you know,
you're really good at what you're doing, but we're good
at what we do. I remember just thinking like, you're
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an asshole. So I sleep stuck to a pipe like
after the next two days, like and I can look
up and I can see the stupid biggest parrots. White's
huge in the big okay, and it's talking almost all
nine in the morning. You know, they don't have times
whereould be quiet, and here we go again. It was
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just annoying me. I remember, like the next evening, I
hear a lot of movement and I hear the guy
that that first drove me come downstairs, rushed down stairs.
He test me, yo, listen, man, I'm gonna put your
brother on the phone. He fucking up. He playing with
your life. Man, You're better tell him to get serious,
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you know. And that's the first time you let me
call my brother. I remember just saying Jay, man, just
don't play with him. Do whatever you gotta do and quick.
I love him. I can imagine where he was going through,
numb but at that time, it was just like, how's
this gonna add At least I take off and go
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down tom m hmmm, I'm Drey ran down talents or afternoon.
I can't hear my phone. I'm uh any attention. I
stopped at the light and I decided to look at
my phone, and I have like probably any miscalls. So
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I know this is a problem from different people, and
it was from different people whom the main cause were
from my one of our associatesment, which was I considered
him like he was our first worker. He was like
right hand man for both of us, right like that
would handle every team. So I know this is a problem.
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During the mother stuck off, I'm like, hey, let's going,
He's like, hey, I've been calling you, Like what happened.
He's like, they came up your brother. I said, what
He's nervous, like they just kick up your brothers. They
call me talking about they wanted me to give me
two hundred kids. I said what, like again and he's like,
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where are you from downtown? You know I'll meet you
my oprah, all right, I'll meet you down mooning like
I mean, it's the way they'll be their intent m
hm hunter thing going through my mind. I was scared
for my brother, like really scared. I was nervous for him,
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like I didn't have to be there to pure he
was feeling, I think, anxiety of like, oh my god,
I hope he's okay. I started calling all the workers
coming me now it's just calming me. Now. I called
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some of my main customers who I considered to me
like really good friends, and I'm like talking to him
like they cannot and that's crazy. That w was just
widom like what happened or how m My worker gets
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there and he gets to wear a couple of guys
and he runs. He's like, here's the phone, like his phone.
They said you're gonna call back in thirty minutes. They
said they want three hundred keys. They put your brother
on the phone and your brother said give him whatever.
They ask for was I get the phone call. I
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still remember that day hearing the voice. I'm saying, Hey,
I said, hello, who is this is his brother? All perfect?
So listen, I got your brother. Don't worry. He's good.
You know. He's said for mistreat mnity as long as
you corporate. You'm like, okay. He said, I need to
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undrew keys. I said, hey, listen, you know who you got. Yeah,
I know what I want to do. What makes you
think that I won't be able to give you three?
That's the way it talks him. Come and get real.
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