March 5, 2024 • 39 mins
A pop artist based in Nashville, TN, this next artists favorite thing about music has always been the heightened emotions it creates when she is listening or writing. She strives to invoke the emotions she feels to listeners and they put on her music and her recent project, "I Don't Get Breakups" does just that. We talk about her college experience in Nashville, process of signing a record deal, and what new music is on the way. Please welcome.... BIZZY.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I could probably do well on TikTok, but like, I
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fucking hate it, like it's.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
You can Yes, that's fine, there's a hot take maybe,
But I feel like I could have a conversation with
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somebody that works in like finance, yeah, and actually hold
my own for a little bit because I understand how
it works, like you need to invest money, you make money.
I get it. But I think people like that try
to understand the music business cannot hold the conversation.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yes, I actually so agree with that because it's so
not Like I've talked to my mom about it so
many times. I'm like, being a lawyer and being a
doctor probably the hardest things you can be. Like there's
you have to study, you have to go to school for,
you have to do whatever. But it's a plus B
equal C, whereas music it's like a plus twelve plus
Z equals forty three. And then if you want to
get to Z, I don't know how you do it.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, Like that's the biggest it's not as like it's
not a mathematical equation.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
It's so gambling.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, it's I mean, look, that's just a great way
to kick off this podcast. We're just going to roll
right into it because Mattie Boy is probably already recording
over there. You know this, this is gonna be this
is gonna be a wild one. Look at that. I
want to give a thanks to to matt for making
us look and sound good here. I want to give
it thanks to people for like tuning into these episodes
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week after week. We're trying to really grow a nice
little community here as we interview you know, artists and
creators really like in Nashville doing the thing. And also,
I feel like Nashville in the past couple of years,
right it's it's sure, it's it's music city, it's country music,
but it's also expanded. And that's why I'm really pumped
to have this next artist on the podcast. Funny enough,
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we knew each other in college. We go way back,
we go way way back, and I know, like we
were we were doing it, and then you know it's
funny is like I feel like we're just talking earlier
everyone's starts to kind of grow up and do real ship.
And this artist had anybody go viral on TikTok and
then you know, went from an independent artist program to
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now signing to Big Loud Rock and is like a
recording artist, So what up in the studio?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Busy and I'm here.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
That was probably one of my more casual introductions. But
I also feel like that was because we're just kind
of free flowing, like we were just catching.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Up and I was like, I'm recording.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, well no, it's it's it's uh, it's really good
to see you. I think, like, you know, we've followed
each other's journeys. I think we've been like sort of
one removed from like, you know, your friend group and
my friend group are close, but like I you know,
opened up my phone the other day and I see this,
you know video, I'm like, I know that girl, and
it's you, you know, crushing it, and it's just been
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like really exciting to see. So I would love to
talk a little bit about sort of the journey the
past couple of years for you. I feel like it
really started when like you started posting online. Yeah, walk
me through kind of that process to like start uploading
videos and your own songs.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
It's funny because like there's so many times where people
are like, are you sick of TikTok? And I'm like, yeah, sure.
There's days where I'm like I'm so tired of it
and whatever, but I truly don't think i'll ever shit
on it because it gave me a platform, like I
literally would be nowhere without it, and it was like
the most random thing. It was. I was originally pure
writing for other people through college because I was so
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scared to like put my own music out and like
kind of put myself out there. So I went in
as the writer and I was like, Okay, I'll just
do this, and then it wasn't until COVID that I realized.
I was like, all right, literally, the only reason you're
not doing the artist thing is out of fear, and
that's like dumb. So I was like, okay, I'm gonna
like reach out to close friends, and I reach out
to like Jules Paymer and Clara Park.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
If you know them, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah, And I was like, okay, I think I'm gonna
do an artist product, Like do you guys want to
help me? Like what's the vibe? And they were like, yes,
we're gonna do it. It's gonna be so good, and
I was like okay. So I started writing for my
artist project for like a year and a half before
I ever put anything out, and I. It was like
I don't know. It was like I was writing all
my songs and people were like that's good, like you
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should put that out and I was like it just
like didn't. And I'm sure you can like totally agree
with this is like it has to feel right. It
doesn't matter about like the song might be good, but
it's like it doesn't if it doesn't feel right, it's
like not it. So I was like waiting for that feeling.
Finally wrote the song Anybody, which is when I post
on TikTok Yeah, and I was like just kind of
reaching out to artists friends and I was like, so
what do you guys like dude to promot, Like how
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does that work? And like I had a TikTok but
it was like me, I think the last TikTok I
had posted, like before I had posted that anybody one
was like like two years before and it was like
me playing my little guitar crash.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Just like acoustic guitar in the room.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, and it was just like the fans going like
things are in the back, it looks bad. Yeah, and
I was they were like post on TikTok like that's
the thing to do, and I was like, okay. So
I remember I was working at Takorea Del Soul at
the time, and I remember I like posted this video.
It was like the classic car video. I was like
blah blah blah, and then played the song and then
literally half of it got cut off because I was like,
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you know how you can hit like fifteen seconds or
sixty seconds. Yeah, didn't know that at the time, So
I hit fifteen seconds and I was like okay, great,
and then it cut off and I was like whatever,
I'm late for work, I'll just post it. And I'm
like in the middle of work and like have my
phone in my back pocket whatever I'm bringing out like
a tray of tacos to this table, and my phone
starts like going crazy and I'm like, okay, like let
me put this down whatever, give them their tacos. I
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like going background. I pulling on my phone and my
sister's like blowing up the group chat and they're like
jack TikTok, check it out, check it down. I'm like okay,
and my video is like blowing up, which was so weird,
but still to this day, like anytime things do well
for me, like it doesn't feel like mine and maybe
that's something I should talk about like in therapy. But
it's like it's like a disassociation thing where I'm like,
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that's awesome for that person, but like it didn't feel
like it was mine. But TikTok gave me the platform,
which was very cool.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
You know, it's so and sincas you like, I think
many artists are having this story now where you know,
you your craft has been worked on for years and
it comes with multiple rights and then like it all
bottles up into this one moment where like, yes, you
have whatever you know, two million people viewing your video
online as you're working as like a taco hostess, and
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like the I guess the irony of it is like yeah,
you're blowing up and it's like overnight success, but also
it's been cultivated from like years of writing a song,
networking and like finding your producer and like team and
all this people that you know a lot of people
don't understand. And then like that moment just becomes so rewarding,
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you know. And then and then there's another moment which
is like shit, what do I do next? Like you
have a viral video, like do you just start do
you just release the song, like what what did you do?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
So it's funny because at that time I was like, Okay,
have viral video. Cool and then so I just kind
of kept posting and kept going on the momentum and
everybody was like put it out now, and I was like, well,
I have it set and I don't know why I
did this, but like I had like put it in.
I was using Symphonic at the time, and I had
put it in the distry at that at that time,
and I was like, great, it'll come out like I
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don't know, it's like may something. And I was like,
I'll just leave it to be that. And so many
people are like, just put it out, just put it out.
But it's funny because the more videos I posted, the
more viral viral it went, and by sticking to my plan,
my song actually did way better than it would have
if I had rushed and put it out. Yeah, And
I think that's something I really try and remember when
releasing songs nowadays too, is like like even if it
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doesn't go viral, if it does go viral, like you
don't you're not at the hands of the listeners. Like
it's like I can put it out when I put
it out and like they'll listen and they'll find it
again if it's like a good song.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
It's like gives me a peace of mind to think
like that.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, I've had some really interesting discussions with people you
know on this podcast and just friends in town where
the longevity of a song I think is very, I
guess ambiguous.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I think good songs win, and I think that you know,
whether you put out a song like this Friday or
next Friday, if it's a quality song, it'll be around
right or even a year from now. And I think
like the process we're in right now is there's a
lot of like quick success and like viral moments where
you're like shit, I got to go, go Google Go.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
People want that immediate like happiness and endorphins, and then.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
You know the shelf life of a song. Right We've
seen songs that kind of do like this little thing
where it goes up and then right back down and
they start at kind of square one, and then you've
seen the artist that like slowly builds or the song
that kind of like has a good moment and then
like kind of stays and then continues to take off
right totally, So what's yeah, I guess, like what's your
process with you know, when after writing a song and
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then like going to release it, are you like do
you choose the songs? Do you let your listeners choose
the songs? Like how do you how do you go
about it?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I always choose them, And like that's like such a
hot opinion right now because like you're saying, like it's
so like I have friends who will be like I
want to it unless it goes viral and TikTok, and
I'm like, okay, fair, Like all your songs do great,
that's smart, but there's something about like the integrity of
like like like I have to like it. There's certain
songs that I write and I'm like, this is cool
and it could probably do well on TikTok, but like
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I fucking hate it, Like it's.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
You could, Yes, that's fine. Oh god, that was the
best reaction yet to that because other people have done
the same thing. But like before not during the podcast,
we're totally keeping that in.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Rick it comes out, so it's so bad. My mom's
gonna be so sad when she watches.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
It's awesome, run it back. I write it that's good.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I don't even know what to say. Oh yeah, but
I pick it because it's like, if I'm going to
sing it, if I'm going to go on tour with it,
if I'm going to release it, I gotta love it,
and I gotta be able to sing it from the
heart and like like perform it like I love it
and actually love it. So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
No, I think I think that makes a lot of sense,
and I think there's different strategies behind it, right. I've
heard people that are kind of on the other side
of it, which is my listeners will choose the song,
and then whatever is the one that is, you know,
reactive the most, we put it out, but then you know,
I've come nine months later. Sometimes that artist is like,
why how did I even put it out in the
first place? Totally it's not on brand. I don't like it,
you know. And look, I you know, I get why
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the pressure is there from socials, particularly when like you know,
you maybe are trying to get a label deal or
a pub deal. But I love that you're sticking to
your gut. I think it's going to help you out
in the long run.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, I think I don't know. I think also with
TikTok and with Instagram, is it's so awesome and such
a tool, But I think it's also like a blimp
in time, like there's always things that are coming, Like
it's like CDs and Spotify and like all these things
are popping up, and like the one thing that we
can hold true is like the creative aspect of it
and if you love it, like that's held true from
like when songs started, So it's like holding on to
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that like importance of it. I think it's something.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I cherish, but absolutely I agree. And who knows what
the next TikTok is, but we do know that, you know,
crazyvity and good songs will win. And speaking of which,
you know you have you have this song, right anybody
that you know kind of well not kind of it
does blow up and then you have like a lab
deal now with Big Loud, and you know, you put
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out a couple other songs. You put a song with
Stein's a you know, you had like a little EP,
like you know kind of what and what was the
process after the viral song and like why did you
want to put out an EP first?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah? So after the after the song, I was kind
of in like this holy ship mode, and it was
like I actually get nervous every time I curse. Now
I'm like sweating, But it was like this holy ship
mode where I was like, oh my God, like I
don't know what I'm doing. I didn't plan for this
song to do that well, I don't have another song
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lined up, like I had written songs, but it wasn't
like great, this one will come out and then I'll
release this one, like there was no order. So I
had just yet, which is a song I do I
did with segins A and I originally put that out
after Anybody as a solo project, and I did that one.
I had written that one like alone in my basement,
like forever ago, before I even wanted to be an artist,
and it just like felt like the next kind of
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step to release. So I released that one, and I
remember my producer Brandon had put like male vocals on
it just was like this is like holding a spot
for you to do like a harmony here, and we
were like, oh, that sounds sick with a dude on it,
like we should put that somewhere like in the back
of your mind, like let's re release this. Yeah, So
I released that and it did well, which was so
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awesome and also one of those moments where you're like,
was it like a shot, like a little flash in
the pan, Like was that fake? Yeah, but like to
have it like consistently like kind of keep going was
really cool and like a pat on the back to
be like, Okay, you're doing it right, right. And so
after that, I released like a couple more singles and
then that's when I kind of I'm trying to remember,
like timeline, that's when I kind of was talking to
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Big Loud about like signing, and I was like, so
like I was talking to you before this, like I
truly was not looking to sign a label deal or
like I think I was just like in the mindset
of like I have a manager, I want to be independent,
Like that's my vibe. And it wasn't until Big Loud
like approached me and they were like, we love your stuff,
blah blah blah, like did the label pitch, but like
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continued to be so persistent and like respectful of my
time and the creative behind it and how I saw
things going. And they were like, we don't want to
change that. We like you for you, We just want
to elevate that, and it was just like such a
refreshing take. I think that I hadn't heard in a
while that I signed with them, And once I signed
with them, I was like, Okay, I just need to
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wrap this project up. Like all the the EP consists
of basically one relationship that I went through, and I
wrote through the kind of emotions of like healing from it,
being mad from it, like all the kind of things,
and it just felt like I needed to like wrap
it up, put it in the past, and then like
start working on new music. And I felt like the
the way I don't know, I don't know if you
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feel this way, but like when artists put out songs
like they're like I have an EP coming out, and
it's like all songs they've already released, it like makes
me sad because I'm like, we've already done it, yours
wrapping it up. So I wanted something to be like
a little different. So I tried to like reimagine the
project and do it like like with Stein's A and
just yet like adding a male vocal, and then I
did like clean cut, I did like a strings version.
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So I tried to like make it a little bit
different while also like wrapping it up into EP and
like telling the story of the relationship.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And the EP is called I
Don't Get Breakup brack Ups Brackups. It is I Don't
Get Breakups, yes, and it's about one relationship.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
One relationship.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
It was so unfortunate, dude, I know what did he do?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I knew. And the worst part is like I had
to call this man to in the beginning of Jesse
Yet there's like a little clip of us like haha,
laughing talking whatever. My producers like, you know, you're gonna
have to like get his permission to put him on that, right,
And I was like, no, fuck, And so I had
to call him. I hadn't talked to this man in
two years, and I was like, hey, long time no
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talk and he was like, what's up. And I was like, so,
I'm putting out this song, not mean or anything, just
want to like put your voice on it. And he
was like, so, I finally, you're welcome for all the inspiration.
And I was like, I wish I didn't have to
release his song anymore, Like it just makes me so
angry that he likes so happy about it, and like
I get it because like if someone wrote a song
about me, I'd be like, yeah, he's.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Just trying to live in your shadows. Like God's let
him have like let him boast and have his little fun.
But like, ultimately you put out the record.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Like, yeah, I just gotta remember that on those day ones.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, well I will say, you know, breakups aren't great,
but they're good for good.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Music heartbreak songs, baby, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
And I love and I love that, you know. I
love that you put something out in the world. I
want it. Like one thing you mentioned that I think
is important to touch on is the label versus independent process.
Totally we are, in my opinion, yeah, we are at
one of the most pivotal times in the music industry.
Where being independent was not cool, Being independent now has
a cool factor to it. Yeah, being a signed label artist,
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of course still has a cool factor to it, but
sometimes it's not the right deal totally, you know. And
you kind of mentioned like I didn't have intention of
signing a deal. I have intention of staying independance. So like, ultimately,
you know, I guess what is sort of your advice
to like a lot of artists going through that and ultimately,
why was it a label route for you?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
My advice would be to wait. Like I was like
so honored to have people like reach out because of
the TikTok thing and they were like we want to
sign you. You're amazing, You're amazing, But the biggest thing
you have to wait through is the bullshit. Like it's
so like I'm sure you get it. Like it's just
like people talk and they want the moment and they
want the numbers and like that's awesome, but are they
willing to stay when the numbers are down or when
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you don't know what you're writing next, or you're not
really sure to go and things aren't going well. So
like that was my biggest thing, was like this is awesome,
but I like made a point to be in all
those meetings, taken everything that they said, but then like
put it aside and be like great, I'm gonna keep
going and I'm gonna see who sticks around. And that
was like the most telling thing with like Loud and
just like a couple other labels that were sticking around
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and be like yeah, like the songs like after just
yet they were like they did well, but they didn't
do as well as like the viral ones, and so
it was the ones that were like, hey, I love
this song and I love that you like are doing
it in this way and just like we're there for
the creative and there for like the authentic aspect of
creating an art rather than like we want the numbers,
we want the money, we want them now because that
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doesn't last forever. It's a moment. So that would be
my advice. And then why it felt like I should
go label, I well two reasons. One, like I said,
I didn't know I wanted to do and two okay, three,
I love the team, Like the team is everything, and
I think that that's something so important. Like if you're
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trying to like weigh out whether you want to do
it independent or not, like and you're like deciding you
have a label or not, talk to the team and
see like how they match up with your values and
how they like see your future. Like ask them every
weird question you can possibly ask, because that's going to
give you the foresight of like what it's going to
look like being with them, right, And I think with
Big Loud, it was just like, oh my god, everything
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is aligning. And so that's why I kind of decided,
and I also am like this is such a hot take,
but like I loved group projects like growing up in school,
I was like they kind of rock and like all
my friends would be like I dread them because someone
doesn't do the work, and someone doesn't whatever.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
No one ever does the work, and then somebody picks
up the slack for their person.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I know. I don't know, maybe I got good teams
or whatever, but I loved it and it was just
like fun because I was like, like you'd be able
to call your friends and be like okay, like like
Skype and the little Skype I am or whatever. It's
just I don't know. In my mind, it's more fun.
And I also come from a big family. It's more
fun to do it together. And I love like having
a team where I can be like, okay, like what's
a good idea, like can we bring someorm for this,
and like I don't know, I think just more people
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the right people obviously it makes it more fun.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
One hundred percent. One term that you know, I talked
to use a lot and people have have kind of
mentioned is like the idea of sweat equity, and what
I mean by that is your deal is your deal,
just like everyone and like there's financial things to it
and splits and all this other crap which we need
to get into. Then there's the aspect of finding the
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team that's gonna work, and you can't really put a
price point on, like how much is ten hours of
work a day versus six hours versus fifteen and like
what are the connections, what are the creative strategies? Right,
Like all of that stuff, which to me is sort
of the intangible factor of Ultimately, I think what a
lot of times makes your breaks deal.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
One hundred percent, Like it's so yeah, it so depends
on the people you surround yourself with and how much
like they care and believe in the project, because that's
who's going to be putting in the work. And if
they're like I'm here to just clock in and clock out,
not the right people. Because music we all know is
not something you clock in and clock out of.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, for sure, Like it's just not.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
And so like you want the people that are like,
let's go, I believe in this even if I have
to work till four in the morning to send some dummymail.
Like it's just that kind of belief that you need.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Right, let's let's let's go. And you know they're certainly
doing that for you. We got got some more music
to talk about, we got some games. We're gonna take
a quick break and then come right back here on
six on five hours podcast. We're back six one five
hours podcasts. During the break, we had a great discussion
about where we could take this podcast on the road.
Just think monkeys, you know, think monkeys. Think maybe Nashville Zoo.
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But also you didn't need.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
To give it away. Yeah, think money, Think Nashville Zoo.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Think any zoo. How's that nothing's locked and yet? But anyway,
this this is a really fun part of the podcast,
which it's a game called rank these five things without
knowing what comes to games? Okay, and this game is
pretty simple. I'm gonna give you a topic and then
I'm gonna tell you an answer to topic. You have to
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rank it one through five, but you don't know what
comes next, right, So if you rank it two, you're
you know, you can't rank anything else too. You gotta
rank it one, three, four or five.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
I'm sweating already, all right.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I'm I'm sweating for you. Here's the first topic. First
topic is ranked these five things things to take on
a tour boss.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Okay, okay, so.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
The first one is like most important. Yeah, well you
determine how important it is to you, right. The first
one is candy. Mmm. I would say fifth, Okay, you're
not a candy girl.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
No, I mean, I'm like a loving candy. But I'm
a little scared of what you're gonna say next, like, oh,
like yeah, a heart monitor or something. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
That's not important but very true. Well you put candy
as five, and next is a first aid kit.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Oh see, Like that's what I'm saying, Like we're talking serious,
like what if someone freaking passes out? I would say.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Three three Okay, safety is important, but not not super important.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
But the.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Next one is liquid IV.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Oh I see, Okay. My thing is I don't drink
on tours, so liquid IV is actually not that helpful.
It tastes great, it's not that amazing.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
So I'd say four four, Okay, Well it's good to know.
I mean, you have you run a clean camp.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
That's when I clean. I mean, everybody else can drink.
I just don't want to ever know what a set
looks like when I'm hungover.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Very fair The next one is a toolkit. Okay, not
a first aid kit, but a toolkit.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Shit, I should have reorganized things here.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
That's part of the game.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I'm thinking too. We'll put it in too, because maybe
the maybe the thing breaks down the cover ex it.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Could, right, that's very fair. And the last, well, I
was gonna say the last one. The last one was
a spare tire.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
So oh, that's one.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
That's probably good because flat tires on the road happened
far too much. So not a bad not a bad ranking.
We're gonna move to another rank these five things, and
the topic is people that could be your dad?
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Okay, uh. First up, we have Matt McConaughey.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Oh, I don't want him to be my dad. I
don't want to date him. Ah oh, he's so cute. Actually,
now I would want to date him when he's in
How to Lose a guy in ten days? That's his prime.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Well, look, I'm not I'm not gonna say what, don't
say dad relations. What do you rank him?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Oh? Is it one through five? Five? Five? I want
him to be my.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Father, understood? What about Drake?
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Oh my god, these are terrible options. He would be sick.
As a dad, I have to say maybe three. I
want to see what comes up.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Okay, Elon Musk, he's brilliant. But four, there's there's a
catch to that. We're gonna have to dissect that. Okay,
so you still have one and two laughed?
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I guess, yeah, they better be freaking good.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
The next one is Will Ferrell.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Oh, he's funny as crap. I'm gonna put him his two.
I'm so scared what you're gonna say next.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
And the first answer or the last one is Barack Obama.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Okay, he'd be a lit dad.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Look at that, you would have a president of the US.
Let's go bag rock just running.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
And he like would play basketball with me all the time.
Not that I can play basketball. It was literally terrible
at it.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
But see, you're good at this game because a lot
of people don't wait. And the key, right is generally
there's a payoff at the end, and a lot of
people forget about that, so you know they can be idiots.
All right, Well that was pretty good.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
I enjoyed that me too.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
So let's talk about let's talk about new music or
a new tour. Right, you got to give me something,
get into it.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I can't give you any of that, actually, what the
but I can say music coming, tour in the works.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, you never know, So new music coming? Can I
ask you this? Are you interested? Is it going to
be like a lot of singles or we're going to
maybe an album? Is it kind of like.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
We're playing we're playing single game for right now?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Okay, cool, So we can expect like new music soon
and we can't expect singles. Yeah, got it. Do you
like find that you can write singles or do you
kind of always write with like the holistic approach to
like a bigger project?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I usually write, well, okay, So the way I go
into it as I never really go in being like
even with my EP, I never went in being like,
oh I want this all to wrap up into my relationship.
Like I just go in and really try and be
as present as I can and be like, this is
how I feel today. I ran over whatever that sounds
so weird. I don't run over animals a lot, but
(25:32):
I this is how I feel. I I want to
be present and write about whatever I'm going through. And
then usually when I look back, it's always like some
sort of what is that connection?
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Connection? Like there's a link, a correlation, a.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Correlation through all of them, and that's usually how I
find kind of like the album wrap up or the
EP wrap up. But I would say I usually write singles,
but not to be like I want it to be
a hit, just to be like, I just have to
write what I'm feeling.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, I like that. I think that's Uh, everyone's got
a differenthilosophy, but that that's cool.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I'm wearing my march and I'm embarrassed about it, but
I need to call it out because it was the.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Only thing clean, and I'm it's so fair.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
It's my socks and I'm just gonna cover them. I
just realized it and I was in my right today.
I was like, yeah, I'm wearing my merch and they're like, oh,
that's sick, and I forgot that.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, I actually so, I was do you think it's
embarrassing you? Clearly you think it's embarrassing to your march,
which I think it's I think it plays, But what
about do you think it's weird to listen to your
own music?
Speaker 1 (26:32):
And I do it all the time.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I think every artist does. Everyone's like cranking their own ship.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
No, my favorite thing is when Spotify rap comes out
and none, none of the artists put theirs out because
we're all of ours is up top five. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Do you one ever noticed that all the artists put
out their Spotify recap, which is, hey, we have this
amount of streams this year, but no artist ever puts
out this is what I listened to because their face
is going to.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Be on the top number one, one through five, They're
absolutely somewhere in there. It's every single one of my
artist friends is like, yeah, I'm not posting that, and
I'm like, yeah, absolutely saying because I listen to myself
all the time.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, I think, look, we're as an artist, you have
to be a little self centeredtist. Yeah, how it goes.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
It's just whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
You know, let me ask you this, do you you know,
with all the things that you have to do as
an artist right now, like with posting and writing and
recording and all that stuff, you know, how do you
balance your time?
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yeah? Balance is a huge thing, and I'm sure you
understand this, Like it's just it's something I think I
struggle with. But also like some days I'm like, yes, okay,
this is balance, and then the next day I'm like
freaking upside down and confused. I think my biggest, my
biggest help in balance has been like putting a timer
on social media and like like kind of putting timers
(27:50):
on different things and being like, Okay, I I like
I got this app opal if you heard of it,
and I don't even know if I really needed the app,
but like it basically blocks all like these like you
can put in like what you want it to block,
and you're I'm only allowed to go on Instagram an
hour day and it'll be like I can't go on
it till three pm, and then once that three pm hits,
I can like open in and out, but it'll time
(28:11):
it to be exactly an hour. And it helps me
so much instead of like doom scrolling or just sitting
there and be like, oh, that person's doing this or
whatever the comparison game that starts. And I think that
that's helped me like balance and kind of like get
back into my own body instead of being so like
mindset Instagram, and then I think like just trying to
(28:32):
like make time for like friends at the end of
the day and like like I really try and like
make my Saturday and Sundays like Saturdays like friends Day
and like things I'm doing with like not music people,
and then Sunday is just like a meet day where
I'm just like not doing anything. I don't post on Sundays.
I just chill and so like those have helped me,
but there's definitely days where I'm just like, oh my god,
there's no sense of balance. I've lost all everything.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah, I mean, well, I think we're all like a
little messed up as our as people in the industry,
and like hold, I think you know, certainly balance is
something we're always striving for. Do you like when you're
on social media, like do you get do you get anxious?
Do you get like judgmental towards or can start playing
the comparison game.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Oh for sure, Like they're like there's a palpable feeling
I like and when you even said like when you
get on it, I was like I'm trying to think
and like like my chest literally tightens, like it's literally
just like and it's not for posting. I don't mind
post like I'll just post it whatever, but it's the
second I start scrolling, it's like this person's doing this
and I'm doing this, and I'm behind and I should
be here and I'm blah, and it's just like like
highlight reels of everybody and I'm doing the same thing.
(29:33):
But it's just like we're not meant to see the
best in everybody twenty four to seven, you know, And
so it's it's like finding out and being like, Okay,
I'm happy for this person, but I don't need to
be scrolling and looking at everybody and comparing myself all time.
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's I mean, I think it's hard,
and you know, then you play the comparison game, then
it becomes competitive and then like all of a sudden
success of other people you know, in weird ways feels
like not something to root for totally. And like that part,
I think you know that part scares uh scares.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Me me too, Oh my god, Yeah, it scares everybody
because you never want to You never want to compete
with your friends. You never want to, like there's always
there's always an underlying like, no matter what, whether it's sports,
whether it's whatever, you're always going to be a little
competitive with it, which is healthy. There's always like you
should be wanting to get better every day. But like
when it's in your phase twenty four seven, it's like
it gets stupid.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, I ask this question to a fair amount of
guests in the podcast, but I'm just curious as to
what your take is. Do you think that TikTok is
helping or hurting the music industry more Ooh.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
That's tough. I think I think that in like right now,
I think that. Okay, I think with anything that's new,
it comes up and it like has a peak, and
I think it hit its peak over covid and it
was like the highest most everyone's going viral. And I
don't think it helped the music industry there where like
(30:58):
it was like anybody who goes viral once is getting
a record deal, and that's awesome. But I also think
it helps people in the sense of like artists that
would have never gotten noticed that are truly amazing got
a platform. But then I think right now it's kind
of leveling off, and once it's leveled off, it will
like balance and find its equilibrium, and then I think
it'll be a tool, and I think it'll be really
(31:19):
good for the news industry. But like in those peak
moments where people are just getting signed left and right,
I don't think it was helpful, but I think it's
such a tool if used right.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I like that, thanks, And.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
That's my take.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
I do, no, I do, I do. It's a it's
a I haven't heard that answer yet.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
So original and unique, Sonique.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
It's so quirky that yeah, no, no, no, I agree.
I like that And I'm curious as to you know,
other people listening, please like comment in because I would
love to have that debate more. And I think we're
in time. We'll tell right, we've gotten to a beautiful
part of this segment or the podcast where we this
thing with ariat our good friends. It's called rapid fire questions.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
These make me panic. I'm so excited, but a little memous.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
These are high stakes, high stakes we've had. We had
somebody that you know, struggled on the last episode. They
almost walked out of the studio. You did not No,
I'm playing with you.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I'm actually scared about now.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I think the key. Look, I'm going to give you
a little bit of insight into the to the area
rapid fire.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Wait, no, don't tell me I want to wing it.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I'll let you wing it all. I'm gonna say. It's
very just small, small piece of ice. Okay, just don't overthink.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Great rapid Fire Dutch Checks. Thank you so much for
that tip.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
All right, here we go. Wind it up, Maddie, rapid Fire,
sixty seconds on the clock, three two one, Pineapple on pizza.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Love it.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I was gonna say yes or no.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Oh. I didn't even want to wait. You said, don't wait.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
I love it. What's your last Google search?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Oh my god, I don't know what I googled. Oh
it was something stupid. It was about geography.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Watergate? Did it happen? Oh god, yeah, Dream Dream collaboration,
Julie Michaels. What would be like an unconventional celebrity hall pass,
like somebody you want to sleep with?
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Oh? Can I choose someone like in their character? This
isn't fast, sorry, Channing Tatum and she's the man.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
I like that. Porcupines are? Are they cute?
Speaker 1 (33:34):
So cutees? Babies like Tommy's?
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Did Michigan cheating college football this year?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I don't watch college football. I feel so embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
But no, give me a hot take.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Oh my god, wait, I want to be cool and
say something fun. I don't have anything in my mind.
It went blank.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
We'll wind it up well, we'll give you five more seconds.
Here my first ever rewind. Do you have five seconds? Five?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I'm gonna you're prising me out. Wait I said this
in the lother podcast, but pickles and peanut butter is fire.
Yeah what what try it?
Speaker 2 (34:10):
That is certainly that is a hot take.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Because of peanut butter, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
I've never somebody somebody we got to.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
You look actually ill when I said that, he said
he's wanted that was that?
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah? That almost that almost came back off. I was like,
oh my god, that was that was that was sixty
seconds you You were a good sport about it, which
is why I actually handed out the first ever rewind
of five seconds rewind, which we've never we've never done before.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
And no one will else will get it. Just me.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, yeah, well you gotta you don't want to publicize
it too much otherwise it'll it'll get out. We have
just a few minutes left, so I want to kind
of open up the floor to you. Is there anything
anything else, like, you know, what's on your mind? What
else do we need to listen to?
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I went to therapy this morning, so that was fun.
Lots on my mind. We could go there and I'm kidding,
what what do I want to say? New music coming
soon that's really freaking exciting, Just like, thanks for sticking
on my journey, Like this has been so awesome to
see people, like even when I'm not putting music out,
continue to reach out and be like I'm excited to
(35:13):
see you and listening to podcasts and just like coming
out to random things and be on the lookout for
shows because those will definitely be popping up. Sir.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah, I you mentioned I mean, I know you were
kind of saying it like lightheartedly, but you talk about
like therapy right or totally like mental health, and I
do want to talk about this just a little bit absolutely.
I think, you know, particularly not not just artists. I
think this is just like a thing that's being talked
about more. Yeah, I'm curious, like how, you know, how
(35:43):
do you kind of deal with you know, your your
mental health and your like look, I don't know, maybe
this is a hot take, but like I think that
everyone has some shit going on right always, so you know,
no matter what you know, how how have you found
you know, being able to sort of like you know,
help make sure you're in like a pop a mental state.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
I think therapy has been huge for me. I started
therapy when I was like a sophomore in college, and
that was just like so like open my world up.
And I think being like open about it was helpful too,
just being like open like I was, so I don't
know why I grew up like this, but I was
just very close off in the sense of like if
I was going through something it was like me to
(36:21):
go through, like I didn't talk about it, I didn't whatever.
But like since going to therapy, I was like, oh,
like I am not a burden if I tell my
friends that I'm having a bad day or something's going
on in my life. And like just being able to
like share with my friends was also like such an
opening for like a closer relationship with friends. And it
kind of just like I don't know, it is like
(36:43):
a weight lifted off because you're like, I'm not going
through this alone and like no matter what, like someone
might not go through the same thing, but we're all
going through shit, like you said, and it's so like
awesome to find someone safe to talk about it with
and be like okay, like I have a confidant, I
can get through this, Like I think talking about it
is like the number one thing. Yeah. And also like
(37:05):
I mean, writing has helped me so much like a
journal like a little psychopath, but also like songwriting, I
just think it's therapy. Like even if you're not a songwriter,
get journal get something poetry, like, yeah, it just allows
your mind to go into places that you might not
normally like talk about.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, I do think, you know, I think journaling is
like a lot of artists have either like mentioned it
or started to do it, And I do think that, like,
you know, a lot of great ideas and a lot
of songs are coming from people just sort of like
you know, train of thought and like journaling it out.
And I think it's also a good way to like
spend a few minutes with yourself, you know.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Yeah, get back into your body because it's so easy
to get out of it.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah, I mean, I you know, I'll say like I
kind of thought the whole journaling thing was sort of
like BS for a while.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
And also like as a guy, I'm sure like that's
gotta be tough to be like, yeah I journal, Like.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Yeah, I think there's definitely like a gender thing with it,
you know, Like I think like you know, you know,
men are whatever, whatever the saying, and like we've got
certainly gotten past that to an extent, but like there's
always those like weird underlying conversations, and I just think,
like it's still a little weird for like a guy
to like, you know, comfortably admit that he's like journaling.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Totally, even though it's probably like the best fucking thing
they can do, Like I bet it's.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yeah, I mean, like, I mean, look, I'm sort of
new to that whole thing, so like I can't I
can't comment on my experience quite yet because there's not
enough like data points. Yeah, but I definitely am, Like,
you know, I was inspired by a couple other people
that have mentioned it, so it's cool to hear that,
you know, you're on the same wavelength totally.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
It's like literally a brain dump and then it's like
once you dump it all out, it's like, oh, like
even for songs, I'm sure you get this is like
like once I've spit everything out, it's like then I
can organize and like songs come clear because it's like
I'm not going through the jumble of crap that's in
my mind already, right, you.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Know, yeah, yeah, that's cool. Well, I definitely, yeah, I
like I like that idea. I definitely think people should,
you know, you know, treat themselves well, ye self love baby. Oh,
it is important.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
It's so important talk to your friends about it.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yeah, it's good. Well, I really appreciate you for being
on this podcast. You guys, busy. He's got new music
coming out. You can check out the EP now, but
there's gonna be more music, more singles coming out. You know,
like always, we are supporting you and here by your side,
and you know, thanks again for doing.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
This, Thanks for having me. This was so freaking fun.
I'm glad I got through the game and I got
the rewind.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
I loved it. Yeah, exactly, guys. We'll see y'all next week.
Thank you guys so much
I could probably do well on TikTok, but like, I
(00:01):
fucking hate it, like it's.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
You can Yes, that's fine, there's a hot take maybe,
But I feel like I could have a conversation with
(00:24):
somebody that works in like finance, yeah, and actually hold
my own for a little bit because I understand how
it works, like you need to invest money, you make money.
I get it. But I think people like that try
to understand the music business cannot hold the conversation.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yes, I actually so agree with that because it's so
not Like I've talked to my mom about it so
many times. I'm like, being a lawyer and being a
doctor probably the hardest things you can be. Like there's
you have to study, you have to go to school for,
you have to do whatever. But it's a plus B
equal C, whereas music it's like a plus twelve plus
Z equals forty three. And then if you want to
get to Z, I don't know how you do it.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, Like that's the biggest it's not as like it's
not a mathematical equation.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
It's so gambling.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, it's I mean, look, that's just a great way
to kick off this podcast. We're just going to roll
right into it because Mattie Boy is probably already recording
over there. You know this, this is gonna be this
is gonna be a wild one. Look at that. I
want to give a thanks to to matt for making
us look and sound good here. I want to give
it thanks to people for like tuning into these episodes
(01:27):
week after week. We're trying to really grow a nice
little community here as we interview you know, artists and
creators really like in Nashville doing the thing. And also,
I feel like Nashville in the past couple of years,
right it's it's sure, it's it's music city, it's country music,
but it's also expanded. And that's why I'm really pumped
to have this next artist on the podcast. Funny enough,
(01:49):
we knew each other in college. We go way back,
we go way way back, and I know, like we
were we were doing it, and then you know it's
funny is like I feel like we're just talking earlier
everyone's starts to kind of grow up and do real ship.
And this artist had anybody go viral on TikTok and
then you know, went from an independent artist program to
(02:10):
now signing to Big Loud Rock and is like a
recording artist, So what up in the studio?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Busy and I'm here.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
That was probably one of my more casual introductions. But
I also feel like that was because we're just kind
of free flowing, like we were just catching.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Up and I was like, I'm recording.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, well no, it's it's it's uh, it's really good
to see you. I think, like, you know, we've followed
each other's journeys. I think we've been like sort of
one removed from like, you know, your friend group and
my friend group are close, but like I you know,
opened up my phone the other day and I see this,
you know video, I'm like, I know that girl, and
it's you, you know, crushing it, and it's just been
(02:52):
like really exciting to see. So I would love to
talk a little bit about sort of the journey the
past couple of years for you. I feel like it
really started when like you started posting online. Yeah, walk
me through kind of that process to like start uploading
videos and your own songs.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
It's funny because like there's so many times where people
are like, are you sick of TikTok? And I'm like, yeah, sure.
There's days where I'm like I'm so tired of it
and whatever, but I truly don't think i'll ever shit
on it because it gave me a platform, like I
literally would be nowhere without it, and it was like
the most random thing. It was. I was originally pure
writing for other people through college because I was so
(03:29):
scared to like put my own music out and like
kind of put myself out there. So I went in
as the writer and I was like, Okay, I'll just
do this, and then it wasn't until COVID that I realized.
I was like, all right, literally, the only reason you're
not doing the artist thing is out of fear, and
that's like dumb. So I was like, okay, I'm gonna
like reach out to close friends, and I reach out
to like Jules Paymer and Clara Park.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
If you know them, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah, And I was like, okay, I think I'm gonna
do an artist product, Like do you guys want to
help me? Like what's the vibe? And they were like, yes,
we're gonna do it. It's gonna be so good, and
I was like okay. So I started writing for my
artist project for like a year and a half before
I ever put anything out, and I. It was like
I don't know. It was like I was writing all
my songs and people were like that's good, like you
(04:10):
should put that out and I was like it just
like didn't. And I'm sure you can like totally agree
with this is like it has to feel right. It
doesn't matter about like the song might be good, but
it's like it doesn't if it doesn't feel right, it's
like not it. So I was like waiting for that feeling.
Finally wrote the song Anybody, which is when I post
on TikTok Yeah, and I was like just kind of
reaching out to artists friends and I was like, so
what do you guys like dude to promot, Like how
(04:31):
does that work? And like I had a TikTok but
it was like me, I think the last TikTok I
had posted, like before I had posted that anybody one
was like like two years before and it was like
me playing my little guitar crash.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Just like acoustic guitar in the room.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, and it was just like the fans going like
things are in the back, it looks bad. Yeah, and
I was they were like post on TikTok like that's
the thing to do, and I was like, okay. So
I remember I was working at Takorea Del Soul at
the time, and I remember I like posted this video.
It was like the classic car video. I was like
blah blah blah, and then played the song and then
literally half of it got cut off because I was like,
(05:08):
you know how you can hit like fifteen seconds or
sixty seconds. Yeah, didn't know that at the time, So
I hit fifteen seconds and I was like okay, great,
and then it cut off and I was like whatever,
I'm late for work, I'll just post it. And I'm
like in the middle of work and like have my
phone in my back pocket whatever I'm bringing out like
a tray of tacos to this table, and my phone
starts like going crazy and I'm like, okay, like let
me put this down whatever, give them their tacos. I
(05:29):
like going background. I pulling on my phone and my
sister's like blowing up the group chat and they're like
jack TikTok, check it out, check it down. I'm like okay,
and my video is like blowing up, which was so weird,
but still to this day, like anytime things do well
for me, like it doesn't feel like mine and maybe
that's something I should talk about like in therapy. But
it's like it's like a disassociation thing where I'm like,
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that's awesome for that person, but like it didn't feel
like it was mine. But TikTok gave me the platform,
which was very cool.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
You know, it's so and sincas you like, I think
many artists are having this story now where you know,
you your craft has been worked on for years and
it comes with multiple rights and then like it all
bottles up into this one moment where like, yes, you
have whatever you know, two million people viewing your video
online as you're working as like a taco hostess, and
(06:17):
like the I guess the irony of it is like yeah,
you're blowing up and it's like overnight success, but also
it's been cultivated from like years of writing a song,
networking and like finding your producer and like team and
all this people that you know a lot of people
don't understand. And then like that moment just becomes so rewarding,
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you know. And then and then there's another moment which
is like shit, what do I do next? Like you
have a viral video, like do you just start do
you just release the song, like what what did you do?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
So it's funny because at that time I was like, Okay,
have viral video. Cool and then so I just kind
of kept posting and kept going on the momentum and
everybody was like put it out now, and I was like, well,
I have it set and I don't know why I
did this, but like I had like put it in.
I was using Symphonic at the time, and I had
put it in the distry at that at that time,
and I was like, great, it'll come out like I
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don't know, it's like may something. And I was like,
I'll just leave it to be that. And so many
people are like, just put it out, just put it out.
But it's funny because the more videos I posted, the
more viral viral it went, and by sticking to my plan,
my song actually did way better than it would have
if I had rushed and put it out. Yeah, And
I think that's something I really try and remember when
releasing songs nowadays too, is like like even if it
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doesn't go viral, if it does go viral, like you
don't you're not at the hands of the listeners. Like
it's like I can put it out when I put
it out and like they'll listen and they'll find it
again if it's like a good song.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
It's like gives me a peace of mind to think
like that.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, I've had some really interesting discussions with people you
know on this podcast and just friends in town where
the longevity of a song I think is very, I
guess ambiguous.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I think good songs win, and I think that you know,
whether you put out a song like this Friday or
next Friday, if it's a quality song, it'll be around
right or even a year from now. And I think
like the process we're in right now is there's a
lot of like quick success and like viral moments where
you're like shit, I got to go, go Google Go.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
People want that immediate like happiness and endorphins, and then.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
You know the shelf life of a song. Right We've
seen songs that kind of do like this little thing
where it goes up and then right back down and
they start at kind of square one, and then you've
seen the artist that like slowly builds or the song
that kind of like has a good moment and then
like kind of stays and then continues to take off
right totally, So what's yeah, I guess, like what's your
process with you know, when after writing a song and
(08:37):
then like going to release it, are you like do
you choose the songs? Do you let your listeners choose
the songs? Like how do you how do you go
about it?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I always choose them, And like that's like such a
hot opinion right now because like you're saying, like it's
so like I have friends who will be like I
want to it unless it goes viral and TikTok, and
I'm like, okay, fair, Like all your songs do great,
that's smart, but there's something about like the integrity of
like like like I have to like it. There's certain
songs that I write and I'm like, this is cool
and it could probably do well on TikTok, but like
(09:05):
I fucking hate it, Like it's.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
You could, Yes, that's fine. Oh god, that was the
best reaction yet to that because other people have done
the same thing. But like before not during the podcast,
we're totally keeping that in.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Rick it comes out, so it's so bad. My mom's
gonna be so sad when she watches.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
It's awesome, run it back. I write it that's good.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I don't even know what to say. Oh yeah, but
I pick it because it's like, if I'm going to
sing it, if I'm going to go on tour with it,
if I'm going to release it, I gotta love it,
and I gotta be able to sing it from the
heart and like like perform it like I love it
and actually love it. So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
No, I think I think that makes a lot of sense,
and I think there's different strategies behind it, right. I've
heard people that are kind of on the other side
of it, which is my listeners will choose the song,
and then whatever is the one that is, you know,
reactive the most, we put it out, but then you know,
I've come nine months later. Sometimes that artist is like,
why how did I even put it out in the
first place? Totally it's not on brand. I don't like it,
you know. And look, I you know, I get why
(10:06):
the pressure is there from socials, particularly when like you know,
you maybe are trying to get a label deal or
a pub deal. But I love that you're sticking to
your gut. I think it's going to help you out
in the long run.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, I think I don't know. I think also with
TikTok and with Instagram, is it's so awesome and such
a tool, But I think it's also like a blimp
in time, like there's always things that are coming, Like
it's like CDs and Spotify and like all these things
are popping up, and like the one thing that we
can hold true is like the creative aspect of it
and if you love it, like that's held true from
like when songs started, So it's like holding on to
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that like importance of it. I think it's something.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I cherish, but absolutely I agree. And who knows what
the next TikTok is, but we do know that, you know,
crazyvity and good songs will win. And speaking of which,
you know you have you have this song, right anybody
that you know kind of well not kind of it
does blow up and then you have like a lab
deal now with Big Loud, and you know, you put
(11:03):
out a couple other songs. You put a song with
Stein's a you know, you had like a little EP,
like you know kind of what and what was the
process after the viral song and like why did you
want to put out an EP first?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah? So after the after the song, I was kind
of in like this holy ship mode, and it was
like I actually get nervous every time I curse. Now
I'm like sweating, But it was like this holy ship
mode where I was like, oh my God, like I
don't know what I'm doing. I didn't plan for this
song to do that well, I don't have another song
(11:36):
lined up, like I had written songs, but it wasn't
like great, this one will come out and then I'll
release this one, like there was no order. So I
had just yet, which is a song I do I
did with segins A and I originally put that out
after Anybody as a solo project, and I did that one.
I had written that one like alone in my basement,
like forever ago, before I even wanted to be an artist,
and it just like felt like the next kind of
(11:57):
step to release. So I released that one, and I
remember my producer Brandon had put like male vocals on
it just was like this is like holding a spot
for you to do like a harmony here, and we
were like, oh, that sounds sick with a dude on it,
like we should put that somewhere like in the back
of your mind, like let's re release this. Yeah, So
I released that and it did well, which was so
(12:18):
awesome and also one of those moments where you're like,
was it like a shot, like a little flash in
the pan, Like was that fake? Yeah, but like to
have it like consistently like kind of keep going was
really cool and like a pat on the back to
be like, Okay, you're doing it right, right. And so
after that, I released like a couple more singles and
then that's when I kind of I'm trying to remember,
like timeline, that's when I kind of was talking to
(12:41):
Big Loud about like signing, and I was like, so
like I was talking to you before this, like I
truly was not looking to sign a label deal or
like I think I was just like in the mindset
of like I have a manager, I want to be independent,
Like that's my vibe. And it wasn't until Big Loud
like approached me and they were like, we love your stuff,
blah blah blah, like did the label pitch, but like
(13:02):
continued to be so persistent and like respectful of my
time and the creative behind it and how I saw
things going. And they were like, we don't want to
change that. We like you for you, We just want
to elevate that, and it was just like such a
refreshing take. I think that I hadn't heard in a
while that I signed with them, And once I signed
with them, I was like, Okay, I just need to
(13:23):
wrap this project up. Like all the the EP consists
of basically one relationship that I went through, and I
wrote through the kind of emotions of like healing from it,
being mad from it, like all the kind of things,
and it just felt like I needed to like wrap
it up, put it in the past, and then like
start working on new music. And I felt like the
the way I don't know, I don't know if you
(13:44):
feel this way, but like when artists put out songs
like they're like I have an EP coming out, and
it's like all songs they've already released, it like makes
me sad because I'm like, we've already done it, yours
wrapping it up. So I wanted something to be like
a little different. So I tried to like reimagine the
project and do it like like with Stein's A and
just yet like adding a male vocal, and then I
did like clean cut, I did like a strings version.
(14:05):
So I tried to like make it a little bit
different while also like wrapping it up into EP and
like telling the story of the relationship.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And the EP is called I
Don't Get Breakup brack Ups Brackups. It is I Don't
Get Breakups, yes, and it's about one relationship.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
One relationship.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
It was so unfortunate, dude, I know what did he do?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I knew. And the worst part is like I had
to call this man to in the beginning of Jesse
Yet there's like a little clip of us like haha,
laughing talking whatever. My producers like, you know, you're gonna
have to like get his permission to put him on that, right,
And I was like, no, fuck, And so I had
to call him. I hadn't talked to this man in
two years, and I was like, hey, long time no
(14:49):
talk and he was like, what's up. And I was like, so,
I'm putting out this song, not mean or anything, just
want to like put your voice on it. And he
was like, so, I finally, you're welcome for all the inspiration.
And I was like, I wish I didn't have to
release his song anymore, Like it just makes me so
angry that he likes so happy about it, and like
I get it because like if someone wrote a song
about me, I'd be like, yeah, he's.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Just trying to live in your shadows. Like God's let
him have like let him boast and have his little fun.
But like, ultimately you put out the record.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Like, yeah, I just gotta remember that on those day ones.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, well I will say, you know, breakups aren't great,
but they're good for good.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Music heartbreak songs, baby, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
And I love and I love that, you know. I
love that you put something out in the world. I
want it. Like one thing you mentioned that I think
is important to touch on is the label versus independent process.
Totally we are, in my opinion, yeah, we are at
one of the most pivotal times in the music industry.
Where being independent was not cool, Being independent now has
a cool factor to it. Yeah, being a signed label artist,
(15:58):
of course still has a cool factor to it, but
sometimes it's not the right deal totally, you know. And
you kind of mentioned like I didn't have intention of
signing a deal. I have intention of staying independance. So like, ultimately,
you know, I guess what is sort of your advice
to like a lot of artists going through that and ultimately,
why was it a label route for you?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
My advice would be to wait. Like I was like
so honored to have people like reach out because of
the TikTok thing and they were like we want to
sign you. You're amazing, You're amazing, But the biggest thing
you have to wait through is the bullshit. Like it's
so like I'm sure you get it. Like it's just
like people talk and they want the moment and they
want the numbers and like that's awesome, but are they
willing to stay when the numbers are down or when
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you don't know what you're writing next, or you're not
really sure to go and things aren't going well. So
like that was my biggest thing, was like this is awesome,
but I like made a point to be in all
those meetings, taken everything that they said, but then like
put it aside and be like great, I'm gonna keep
going and I'm gonna see who sticks around. And that
was like the most telling thing with like Loud and
just like a couple other labels that were sticking around
(17:02):
and be like yeah, like the songs like after just
yet they were like they did well, but they didn't
do as well as like the viral ones, and so
it was the ones that were like, hey, I love
this song and I love that you like are doing
it in this way and just like we're there for
the creative and there for like the authentic aspect of
creating an art rather than like we want the numbers,
we want the money, we want them now because that
(17:24):
doesn't last forever. It's a moment. So that would be
my advice. And then why it felt like I should
go label, I well two reasons. One, like I said,
I didn't know I wanted to do and two okay, three,
I love the team, Like the team is everything, and
I think that that's something so important. Like if you're
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trying to like weigh out whether you want to do
it independent or not, like and you're like deciding you
have a label or not, talk to the team and
see like how they match up with your values and
how they like see your future. Like ask them every
weird question you can possibly ask, because that's going to
give you the foresight of like what it's going to
look like being with them, right, And I think with
Big Loud, it was just like, oh my god, everything
(18:07):
is aligning. And so that's why I kind of decided,
and I also am like this is such a hot take,
but like I loved group projects like growing up in school,
I was like they kind of rock and like all
my friends would be like I dread them because someone
doesn't do the work, and someone doesn't whatever.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
No one ever does the work, and then somebody picks
up the slack for their person.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I know. I don't know, maybe I got good teams
or whatever, but I loved it and it was just
like fun because I was like, like you'd be able
to call your friends and be like okay, like like
Skype and the little Skype I am or whatever. It's
just I don't know. In my mind, it's more fun.
And I also come from a big family. It's more
fun to do it together. And I love like having
a team where I can be like, okay, like what's
a good idea, like can we bring someorm for this,
and like I don't know, I think just more people
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the right people obviously it makes it more fun.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
One hundred percent. One term that you know, I talked
to use a lot and people have have kind of
mentioned is like the idea of sweat equity, and what
I mean by that is your deal is your deal,
just like everyone and like there's financial things to it
and splits and all this other crap which we need
to get into. Then there's the aspect of finding the
(19:09):
team that's gonna work, and you can't really put a
price point on, like how much is ten hours of
work a day versus six hours versus fifteen and like
what are the connections, what are the creative strategies? Right,
Like all of that stuff, which to me is sort
of the intangible factor of Ultimately, I think what a
lot of times makes your breaks deal.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
One hundred percent, Like it's so yeah, it so depends
on the people you surround yourself with and how much
like they care and believe in the project, because that's
who's going to be putting in the work. And if
they're like I'm here to just clock in and clock out,
not the right people. Because music we all know is
not something you clock in and clock out of.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, for sure, Like it's just not.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
And so like you want the people that are like,
let's go, I believe in this even if I have
to work till four in the morning to send some dummymail.
Like it's just that kind of belief that you need.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Right, let's let's let's go. And you know they're certainly
doing that for you. We got got some more music
to talk about, we got some games. We're gonna take
a quick break and then come right back here on
six on five hours podcast. We're back six one five
hours podcasts. During the break, we had a great discussion
about where we could take this podcast on the road.
Just think monkeys, you know, think monkeys. Think maybe Nashville Zoo.
(20:17):
But also you didn't need.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
To give it away. Yeah, think money, Think Nashville Zoo.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Think any zoo. How's that nothing's locked and yet? But anyway,
this this is a really fun part of the podcast,
which it's a game called rank these five things without
knowing what comes to games? Okay, and this game is
pretty simple. I'm gonna give you a topic and then
I'm gonna tell you an answer to topic. You have to
(20:43):
rank it one through five, but you don't know what
comes next, right, So if you rank it two, you're
you know, you can't rank anything else too. You gotta
rank it one, three, four or five.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
I'm sweating already, all right.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I'm I'm sweating for you. Here's the first topic. First
topic is ranked these five things things to take on
a tour boss.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Okay, okay, so.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
The first one is like most important. Yeah, well you
determine how important it is to you, right. The first
one is candy. Mmm. I would say fifth, Okay, you're
not a candy girl.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
No, I mean, I'm like a loving candy. But I'm
a little scared of what you're gonna say next, like, oh,
like yeah, a heart monitor or something. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
That's not important but very true. Well you put candy
as five, and next is a first aid kit.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Oh see, Like that's what I'm saying, Like we're talking serious,
like what if someone freaking passes out? I would say.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Three three Okay, safety is important, but not not super important.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
But the.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Next one is liquid IV.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Oh I see, Okay. My thing is I don't drink
on tours, so liquid IV is actually not that helpful.
It tastes great, it's not that amazing.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
So I'd say four four, Okay, Well it's good to know.
I mean, you have you run a clean camp.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
That's when I clean. I mean, everybody else can drink.
I just don't want to ever know what a set
looks like when I'm hungover.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Very fair The next one is a toolkit. Okay, not
a first aid kit, but a toolkit.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Shit, I should have reorganized things here.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
That's part of the game.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I'm thinking too. We'll put it in too, because maybe
the maybe the thing breaks down the cover ex it.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Could, right, that's very fair. And the last, well, I
was gonna say the last one. The last one was
a spare tire.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
So oh, that's one.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
That's probably good because flat tires on the road happened
far too much. So not a bad not a bad ranking.
We're gonna move to another rank these five things, and
the topic is people that could be your dad?
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Okay, uh. First up, we have Matt McConaughey.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Oh, I don't want him to be my dad. I
don't want to date him. Ah oh, he's so cute. Actually,
now I would want to date him when he's in
How to Lose a guy in ten days? That's his prime.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Well, look, I'm not I'm not gonna say what, don't
say dad relations. What do you rank him?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Oh? Is it one through five? Five? Five? I want
him to be my.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Father, understood? What about Drake?
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Oh my god, these are terrible options. He would be sick.
As a dad, I have to say maybe three. I
want to see what comes up.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Okay, Elon Musk, he's brilliant. But four, there's there's a
catch to that. We're gonna have to dissect that. Okay,
so you still have one and two laughed?
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I guess, yeah, they better be freaking good.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
The next one is Will Ferrell.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Oh, he's funny as crap. I'm gonna put him his two.
I'm so scared what you're gonna say next.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
And the first answer or the last one is Barack Obama.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Okay, he'd be a lit dad.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Look at that, you would have a president of the US.
Let's go bag rock just running.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
And he like would play basketball with me all the time.
Not that I can play basketball. It was literally terrible
at it.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
But see, you're good at this game because a lot
of people don't wait. And the key, right is generally
there's a payoff at the end, and a lot of
people forget about that, so you know they can be idiots.
All right, Well that was pretty good.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
I enjoyed that me too.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
So let's talk about let's talk about new music or
a new tour. Right, you got to give me something,
get into it.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I can't give you any of that, actually, what the
but I can say music coming, tour in the works.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, you never know, So new music coming? Can I
ask you this? Are you interested? Is it going to
be like a lot of singles or we're going to
maybe an album? Is it kind of like.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
We're playing we're playing single game for right now?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Okay, cool, So we can expect like new music soon
and we can't expect singles. Yeah, got it. Do you
like find that you can write singles or do you
kind of always write with like the holistic approach to
like a bigger project?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I usually write, well, okay, So the way I go
into it as I never really go in being like
even with my EP, I never went in being like,
oh I want this all to wrap up into my relationship.
Like I just go in and really try and be
as present as I can and be like, this is
how I feel today. I ran over whatever that sounds
so weird. I don't run over animals a lot, but
(25:32):
I this is how I feel. I I want to
be present and write about whatever I'm going through. And
then usually when I look back, it's always like some
sort of what is that connection?
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Connection? Like there's a link, a correlation, a.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Correlation through all of them, and that's usually how I
find kind of like the album wrap up or the
EP wrap up. But I would say I usually write singles,
but not to be like I want it to be
a hit, just to be like, I just have to
write what I'm feeling.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, I like that. I think that's Uh, everyone's got
a differenthilosophy, but that that's cool.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I'm wearing my march and I'm embarrassed about it, but
I need to call it out because it was the.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Only thing clean, and I'm it's so fair.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
It's my socks and I'm just gonna cover them. I
just realized it and I was in my right today.
I was like, yeah, I'm wearing my merch and they're like, oh,
that's sick, and I forgot that.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, I actually so, I was do you think it's
embarrassing you? Clearly you think it's embarrassing to your march,
which I think it's I think it plays, But what
about do you think it's weird to listen to your
own music?
Speaker 1 (26:32):
And I do it all the time.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I think every artist does. Everyone's like cranking their own ship.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
No, my favorite thing is when Spotify rap comes out
and none, none of the artists put theirs out because
we're all of ours is up top five. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Do you one ever noticed that all the artists put
out their Spotify recap, which is, hey, we have this
amount of streams this year, but no artist ever puts
out this is what I listened to because their face
is going to.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Be on the top number one, one through five, They're
absolutely somewhere in there. It's every single one of my
artist friends is like, yeah, I'm not posting that, and
I'm like, yeah, absolutely saying because I listen to myself
all the time.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, I think, look, we're as an artist, you have
to be a little self centeredtist. Yeah, how it goes.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
It's just whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
You know, let me ask you this, do you you know,
with all the things that you have to do as
an artist right now, like with posting and writing and
recording and all that stuff, you know, how do you
balance your time?
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yeah? Balance is a huge thing, and I'm sure you
understand this, Like it's just it's something I think I
struggle with. But also like some days I'm like, yes, okay,
this is balance, and then the next day I'm like
freaking upside down and confused. I think my biggest, my
biggest help in balance has been like putting a timer
on social media and like like kind of putting timers
(27:50):
on different things and being like, Okay, I I like
I got this app opal if you heard of it,
and I don't even know if I really needed the app,
but like it basically blocks all like these like you
can put in like what you want it to block,
and you're I'm only allowed to go on Instagram an
hour day and it'll be like I can't go on
it till three pm, and then once that three pm hits,
I can like open in and out, but it'll time
(28:11):
it to be exactly an hour. And it helps me
so much instead of like doom scrolling or just sitting
there and be like, oh, that person's doing this or
whatever the comparison game that starts. And I think that
that's helped me like balance and kind of like get
back into my own body instead of being so like
mindset Instagram, and then I think like just trying to
(28:32):
like make time for like friends at the end of
the day and like like I really try and like
make my Saturday and Sundays like Saturdays like friends Day
and like things I'm doing with like not music people,
and then Sunday is just like a meet day where
I'm just like not doing anything. I don't post on Sundays.
I just chill and so like those have helped me,
but there's definitely days where I'm just like, oh my god,
there's no sense of balance. I've lost all everything.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah, I mean, well, I think we're all like a
little messed up as our as people in the industry,
and like hold, I think you know, certainly balance is
something we're always striving for. Do you like when you're
on social media, like do you get do you get anxious?
Do you get like judgmental towards or can start playing
the comparison game.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Oh for sure, Like they're like there's a palpable feeling
I like and when you even said like when you
get on it, I was like I'm trying to think
and like like my chest literally tightens, like it's literally
just like and it's not for posting. I don't mind
post like I'll just post it whatever, but it's the
second I start scrolling, it's like this person's doing this
and I'm doing this, and I'm behind and I should
be here and I'm blah, and it's just like like
highlight reels of everybody and I'm doing the same thing.
(29:33):
But it's just like we're not meant to see the
best in everybody twenty four to seven, you know, And
so it's it's like finding out and being like, Okay,
I'm happy for this person, but I don't need to
be scrolling and looking at everybody and comparing myself all time.
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's I mean, I think it's hard,
and you know, then you play the comparison game, then
it becomes competitive and then like all of a sudden
success of other people you know, in weird ways feels
like not something to root for totally. And like that part,
I think you know that part scares uh scares.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Me me too, Oh my god, Yeah, it scares everybody
because you never want to You never want to compete
with your friends. You never want to, like there's always
there's always an underlying like, no matter what, whether it's sports,
whether it's whatever, you're always going to be a little
competitive with it, which is healthy. There's always like you
should be wanting to get better every day. But like
when it's in your phase twenty four seven, it's like
it gets stupid.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, I ask this question to a fair amount of
guests in the podcast, but I'm just curious as to
what your take is. Do you think that TikTok is
helping or hurting the music industry more Ooh.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
That's tough. I think I think that in like right now,
I think that. Okay, I think with anything that's new,
it comes up and it like has a peak, and
I think it hit its peak over covid and it
was like the highest most everyone's going viral. And I
don't think it helped the music industry there where like
(30:58):
it was like anybody who goes viral once is getting
a record deal, and that's awesome. But I also think
it helps people in the sense of like artists that
would have never gotten noticed that are truly amazing got
a platform. But then I think right now it's kind
of leveling off, and once it's leveled off, it will
like balance and find its equilibrium, and then I think
it'll be a tool, and I think it'll be really
(31:19):
good for the news industry. But like in those peak
moments where people are just getting signed left and right,
I don't think it was helpful, but I think it's
such a tool if used right.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I like that, thanks, And.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
That's my take.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
I do, no, I do, I do. It's a it's
a I haven't heard that answer yet.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
So original and unique, Sonique.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
It's so quirky that yeah, no, no, no, I agree.
I like that And I'm curious as to you know,
other people listening, please like comment in because I would
love to have that debate more. And I think we're
in time. We'll tell right, we've gotten to a beautiful
part of this segment or the podcast where we this
thing with ariat our good friends. It's called rapid fire questions.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
These make me panic. I'm so excited, but a little memous.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
These are high stakes, high stakes we've had. We had
somebody that you know, struggled on the last episode. They
almost walked out of the studio. You did not No,
I'm playing with you.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I'm actually scared about now.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I think the key. Look, I'm going to give you
a little bit of insight into the to the area
rapid fire.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Wait, no, don't tell me I want to wing it.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I'll let you wing it all. I'm gonna say. It's
very just small, small piece of ice. Okay, just don't overthink.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Great rapid Fire Dutch Checks. Thank you so much for
that tip.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
All right, here we go. Wind it up, Maddie, rapid Fire,
sixty seconds on the clock, three two one, Pineapple on pizza.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Love it.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I was gonna say yes or no.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Oh. I didn't even want to wait. You said, don't wait.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
I love it. What's your last Google search?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Oh my god, I don't know what I googled. Oh
it was something stupid. It was about geography.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Watergate? Did it happen? Oh god, yeah, Dream Dream collaboration,
Julie Michaels. What would be like an unconventional celebrity hall pass,
like somebody you want to sleep with?
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Oh? Can I choose someone like in their character? This
isn't fast, sorry, Channing Tatum and she's the man.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
I like that. Porcupines are? Are they cute?
Speaker 1 (33:34):
So cutees? Babies like Tommy's?
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Did Michigan cheating college football this year?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I don't watch college football. I feel so embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
But no, give me a hot take.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Oh my god, wait, I want to be cool and
say something fun. I don't have anything in my mind.
It went blank.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
We'll wind it up well, we'll give you five more seconds.
Here my first ever rewind. Do you have five seconds? Five?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I'm gonna you're prising me out. Wait I said this
in the lother podcast, but pickles and peanut butter is fire.
Yeah what what try it?
Speaker 2 (34:10):
That is certainly that is a hot take.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Because of peanut butter, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
I've never somebody somebody we got to.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
You look actually ill when I said that, he said
he's wanted that was that?
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah? That almost that almost came back off. I was like,
oh my god, that was that was that was sixty
seconds you You were a good sport about it, which
is why I actually handed out the first ever rewind
of five seconds rewind, which we've never we've never done before.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
And no one will else will get it. Just me.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, yeah, well you gotta you don't want to publicize
it too much otherwise it'll it'll get out. We have
just a few minutes left, so I want to kind
of open up the floor to you. Is there anything
anything else, like, you know, what's on your mind? What
else do we need to listen to?
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I went to therapy this morning, so that was fun.
Lots on my mind. We could go there and I'm kidding,
what what do I want to say? New music coming
soon that's really freaking exciting, Just like, thanks for sticking
on my journey, Like this has been so awesome to
see people, like even when I'm not putting music out,
continue to reach out and be like I'm excited to
(35:13):
see you and listening to podcasts and just like coming
out to random things and be on the lookout for
shows because those will definitely be popping up. Sir.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah, I you mentioned I mean, I know you were
kind of saying it like lightheartedly, but you talk about
like therapy right or totally like mental health, and I
do want to talk about this just a little bit absolutely.
I think, you know, particularly not not just artists. I
think this is just like a thing that's being talked
about more. Yeah, I'm curious, like how, you know, how
(35:43):
do you kind of deal with you know, your your
mental health and your like look, I don't know, maybe
this is a hot take, but like I think that
everyone has some shit going on right always, so you know,
no matter what you know, how how have you found
you know, being able to sort of like you know,
help make sure you're in like a pop a mental state.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
I think therapy has been huge for me. I started
therapy when I was like a sophomore in college, and
that was just like so like open my world up.
And I think being like open about it was helpful too,
just being like open like I was, so I don't
know why I grew up like this, but I was
just very close off in the sense of like if
I was going through something it was like me to
(36:21):
go through, like I didn't talk about it, I didn't whatever.
But like since going to therapy, I was like, oh,
like I am not a burden if I tell my
friends that I'm having a bad day or something's going
on in my life. And like just being able to
like share with my friends was also like such an
opening for like a closer relationship with friends. And it
kind of just like I don't know, it is like
(36:43):
a weight lifted off because you're like, I'm not going
through this alone and like no matter what, like someone
might not go through the same thing, but we're all
going through shit, like you said, and it's so like
awesome to find someone safe to talk about it with
and be like okay, like I have a confidant, I
can get through this, Like I think talking about it
is like the number one thing. Yeah. And also like
(37:05):
I mean, writing has helped me so much like a
journal like a little psychopath, but also like songwriting, I
just think it's therapy. Like even if you're not a songwriter,
get journal get something poetry, like, yeah, it just allows
your mind to go into places that you might not
normally like talk about.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, I do think, you know, I think journaling is
like a lot of artists have either like mentioned it
or started to do it, And I do think that, like,
you know, a lot of great ideas and a lot
of songs are coming from people just sort of like
you know, train of thought and like journaling it out.
And I think it's also a good way to like
spend a few minutes with yourself, you know.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Yeah, get back into your body because it's so easy
to get out of it.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah, I mean, I you know, I'll say like I
kind of thought the whole journaling thing was sort of
like BS for a while.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
And also like as a guy, I'm sure like that's
gotta be tough to be like, yeah I journal, Like.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Yeah, I think there's definitely like a gender thing with it,
you know, Like I think like you know, you know,
men are whatever, whatever the saying, and like we've got
certainly gotten past that to an extent, but like there's
always those like weird underlying conversations, and I just think,
like it's still a little weird for like a guy
to like, you know, comfortably admit that he's like journaling.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Totally, even though it's probably like the best fucking thing
they can do, Like I bet it's.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yeah, I mean, like, I mean, look, I'm sort of
new to that whole thing, so like I can't I
can't comment on my experience quite yet because there's not
enough like data points. Yeah, but I definitely am, Like,
you know, I was inspired by a couple other people
that have mentioned it, so it's cool to hear that,
you know, you're on the same wavelength totally.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
It's like literally a brain dump and then it's like
once you dump it all out, it's like, oh, like
even for songs, I'm sure you get this is like
like once I've spit everything out, it's like then I
can organize and like songs come clear because it's like
I'm not going through the jumble of crap that's in
my mind already, right, you.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Know, yeah, yeah, that's cool. Well, I definitely, yeah, I
like I like that idea. I definitely think people should,
you know, you know, treat themselves well, ye self love baby. Oh,
it is important.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
It's so important talk to your friends about it.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yeah, it's good. Well, I really appreciate you for being
on this podcast. You guys, busy. He's got new music
coming out. You can check out the EP now, but
there's gonna be more music, more singles coming out. You know,
like always, we are supporting you and here by your side,
and you know, thanks again for doing.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
This, Thanks for having me. This was so freaking fun.
I'm glad I got through the game and I got
the rewind.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
I loved it. Yeah, exactly, guys. We'll see y'all next week.
Thank you guys so much
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