March 19, 2024 • 39 mins
With more than 100 million streams and notable viral traction for her 2023 hit “Heart On Fire In Mexico,” Abby Anderson is poised to be country music’s next big star. Anderson – who has captivated audiences for a decade with her authentic songwriting and powerhouse vocals – moved to Nashville at the age of 17 to pursue her dreams of performing. Listeners quickly resonated with her ability to blend new age tones and personal, heartfelt storytelling with catchy, overarching pop melodies. The Texas native has toured with an array of artists as diverse as her influences, including genre-bending acts like Stevie Nicks and Rob Thomas. She’s also shared the stage with country singers Brett Eldredge and Hunter Hayes, winning over fans night after night. Early label releases like the infectious “This Feeling” and tender-
hearted single “Make Him Wait” put the singer on the map and racked up millions of streams and accolades including being named to the CMT Next Women of Country class, a Pandora, Country Artist to Watch, and MusicRow Magazine’s Next Big Thing.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're very complished.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm proud of that, minus the fact I have a
receding hairline and I wear hats.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
But other than that, Chris, everyone's got a receiving hairline
that it looks great.
Speaker 4 (00:08):
Thanks I with the hat, it looks great.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hey everyone, welcome back to Nashville's podcast, The six on
five House. It's Chris Rudeger. I do want to thank
our friends at iHeart. I want to thank you six
are Dding team and Matt McLain for taking care of us,
making us look and sound great. We have a new
episode this week and this artist has a single dropping
this Friday that I'm super excited about called bright Side
of Blue. Here's the cool part about this episode. Well,
(00:47):
I've worked with many artists that I'm friends with, some
artists I'm getting to know for the first time. This
artist I have gotten to see rise in the past
two years, working very closely with their releases in marketing.
So I'm super excited to bring her in. She has
one of the best voices in Nashville. She is a
mastermind on the keyboard, and I think that's why she's
going on tour with Tim McGraw here in April as
(01:08):
well as playing stagecoach and CMA Fest. So we're gonna
get into all of it. It's gonna get juicy, it's
gonna get good. This is my good friend, Abby Anderson.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Let's do it.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I don't know about media training. I don't know if
I want to do it. I don't know if I
want to do it because if I lose.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Wait, wait, I actually want to talk about this because
we should talk about this. We can we're already rolling.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
No, I want to talk about this because I think
that nowadays, I think brutal honesty wins, and I like,
I look at somebody like jelly Roll who puts his
phone up and talks and says whatever he wants on camera.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I don't think jelly Roll has been media trained, maybe.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Now, but like probably not, and I feel like his
authenticity is better than all the people that have been
media trained because you're.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Blocking stuff, like is it?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
And I'm not trying to be rude to media trainers,
but isn't the point of media training to block out
the bad things you say?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Which, well, I don't think it's to block anything. What
I would like to learn is like when someone asks
me a question that I don't want to answer how
to deal how to navigate that because there are certain
things they're like private to you that you don't want
to talk about, you know, and so like how to But.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I feel like I'm pretty good at that naturally.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Like I'm pretty good at like, yeah, just say it,
like I don't want to talk.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
About that, you don't, right, which I think is I mean,
you're more vocal about it than other people.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I know other people that.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Then say it and then they go, can we take
it out? And then it's awkward or.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I don't want to think about filtering myself because then
when I think about filtering myself.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
And for what, that's what I'm Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Want to think about, like because I've done that before,
like in the early early days, and it's just every
interview feels so fake and so like just it's just
not genuine.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Why why were you doing it? Though? Do you think
it was? Like was it like other people?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, it's just to save everybody's ass.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
But that's what I just I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Which I get to like everybody's trying to keep a job, right,
which I get that, Like I would never want to
say or do anything that would put the people around
me at risk for their jobs. And that goes for
me too, Like I want everyone to I want all
my fans to feel welcome and safe and everything. But
you know, I'd like to think I'm a good person.
I'm never gonna say anything that's like just terrible, you know.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I just I that also to me, like has to
do with the communication between teams, because I think, like
I'm not not your situation per sae, but a lot
of teams Like if the manager and the label and
the publisher and all these people aren't aligned, then everybody's
saying different stuff and blaming each other and it makes
no sense.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Right, And I'm always like blame me, like I'm the
one with the I'm the one like with you know FA.
So I'm like, it's always gonna be me. I'm never
gonna blame anybody else for things that come out of
my mouth.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
So while we're rolling here, so this is different for
everyone that's tuning in. This podcast is a chance to
get to know people. And as I mentioned some of
the other guests that have come on, I either a
meeting for the first time or maybe don't know as well.
But in this case, I think it's really cool because
you and I can just have a super honest conversation
because I've gotten to know you and work with you
(04:27):
in various capacities. So I want to talk about. Really,
what I want to talk about is the direction that
you've gone the last year. I want to talk about
the change, the realization you had like on like honestly,
because I mean, you and I have talked about a
bunch offline, but I think it's important for people to know.
And then also the future because I think you're a
(04:48):
star and you've got a lot of stuff cooked, so.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
You better think of a star.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Yeah, okay, so talk to me. I sure, hope, so
right that be bad?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Otherwise talk to me about Okay, talk to me about
make them wait goes Big Country radio right does its thing.
But then like after that, I feel like you had
like a realization moment.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
For lots of realizations. Dang, I don't even know where
to It's weird. I was talking speaking to like media
and publicists and everything.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I was talking to.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
A biography writer with my publicist like yesterday, and she
was just and you go through your entire life story
and It's weird because I feel like Making Way was
so long ago. That was freaking like six years ago.
Now I'm twenty six years old and that was already
six years ago.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I'm like, holy crap, no, make him Way.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I still like that song, like, am I I'm not
like that and introduce myself to a lot of people.
So I'm always gonna be thankful for that. But no,
after that, I don't know. I always thought my first
single like kind of a punchy, like personality driven song
and then introduced the piano player stuff later. Yeah, and
that's just not the way it went, And that's okay,
(06:12):
I think, No, I think after that, it was like,
it took me two years after that to be like, man,
I need to go. I need to go be free
and I need to create the way I did when
I was like nine or ten. We're like that girl
didn't give a crap about anything. She just was writing
her little jingles, sitting at the piano, entertaining people and
having a good time.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I don't think I've ever told you this. Oh no, no, no, no,
I am so. I hadn't moved to Nashville when that
song came on the radio. I think I just or
maybe I was just moving and I heard and I
kept hearing it climb up the charts, and I was like,
this girl has got something. I was like, this is great,
but I like fan boyd crazy.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Wait, how old are you? We're the same age. How
old are you?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Basically twenty five?
Speaker 1 (06:55):
You're twenty four?
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Gosh, I you forget what we got this? What was
wrong with people? Know?
Speaker 1 (07:01):
When you're twenty five, that's badass. You're very complished.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
It's badass.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I'm proud of.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
That, minus the fact I have a receding hairline and
I wear hats.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
But other than that, everyone's got a receiving hairline that
it looks great.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Thanks with a hat, it looks great. Thanks for the compliment, Abby.
So No, but I heard this song and I'm like,
all right, this is like it's crushing. People were talking
about it doing the thing, and then I followed you.
But I felt like there was a section where I
was sort of like, as a fan, I was like, well,
where did you go?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Totally honest, I say that, not like I was asking
myself the same thing, you.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Know, But I heard that song and then like I
was waiting for I don't know, you did put you
in the box of like a piano girl, like for
sure for extent, but I'm I'm curious as to like,
so what was the realization?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Again?
Speaker 3 (07:48):
It was just like when I first moved to Town,
I was seventeen, and I was just like you. I
say this with a lot of joy in my heart
now because I feel like I'm that girl again and
some When I moved to Town, I was seventeen and
I just had so much naive confidence and I feel.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Like I have that back now.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Like I was just delusionally confident, Like I set a
goal that I was going to sign a record, that
I would have a record deal and a publishing deal
two years from the date I moved to Nashville, and
I kid you, not two years later to the very date,
I had a publishing and a record deal. So like
that's the kind of delusional I was.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
And it worked.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
It's like a movie.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
It literally was like.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
No one literally was like a movie, Chris, Like everything
was almost like too easy, you know, and so like
sign the deal. And I noticed I noticed a shift
when I first moved to Nashville. I was making music
that was like turning people's heads, and they were like,
who is this girl? She's like country Alicia Keys, She's
like outside of country, but Texas girl, Like you can
(08:57):
hear the country my voice?
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Like I can't.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I can't get rid of the Texas, you know. But
the more I wrote, I realized, I was like, damn,
this kind of sucks because everything I love, the people
around me hate, and I'm being told this isn't radio,
this isn't radio. Where when I was seventeen, I was like, well,
that's the point. I'm making music that hasn't been heard
(09:20):
yet before. No one's been doing this, and I allowed
that to happen. And that's what happened, was I started
making music that I started listening to the fear around me,
and nobody's wrong for that. Everybody's trying to keep a
job and everybody was trying to do what they.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Thought was best.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Sure, you know, well everyone has opinions. I think that's
the hard part too. Of like wrestling, When do you
ever feel like there's so many opinions going around that
you play pinball a little bit?
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Not anymore? Yeah, not anymore? Like now I can nineteen
year old me very much listen to other people way
more than I did myself. Like everybody's opinion was God.
To me. That was like, Okay, I need to do that,
even if it went against my gut, even if it
(10:05):
went against everything I believed. Now I can listen to
people's opinions with joy and be like, Okay, interesting take.
But at the end of the day, I know I'm
going to take those opinions and go with what I
feel strongest about, strongly about, strongest.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Strongest, whatever. Either one.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yes, I was home school.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
I like it. I like it. You said you refer
to yourself as the country Alicia. Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I don't quote me on that.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
No, I'm going to compare to Alicia keys By just
mean when I first moved to town.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, it was my piano playing.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
It was the soul, the soul of me and and
I'd like to think just good songwriting.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Did you see that? Did you see the halftime show?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I loved it.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Did you see all the fla though?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
That was great?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Do you see everyone was like attacking Alicia's husband because
what because she got up close and personal with Usher?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I mean, wouldn't you? Chris said, I'm a happy married woman.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I get up close to personal with Usher and and
Tyler would be watching from the crowd be like hell yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
As a single twenty five year old gentleman.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
You would get up.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I enjoyed it. Yes, No, I just think it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
People were like, oh, she's like oh she wasn't like
she got whatever, like weird with him, And I didn't
really see the ring, like what's going on. It's like relax,
like it's show. It's showmanship, and can we not just
appreciate art for art.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
It's also your performing Like.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
It's just fun. It's so fun.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Also, I'm like, dancing with another another man doesn't mean
you're thinking about anything else other than just having a
good time for a minute. And you know it doesn't
have to go past that. People always make things sexual
and it's like it's got nothing to do with that.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
It's just I went.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
I was at a gig in Salt Lake and it
was so much fun. And the promoter there that took
me out dancing, and like, you really think my husband
will want me alone in the hotel room sad in
a new city.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
No nice, probably like go turn it up dance if.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
I freaking go have a good time, and I did.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, we haven't really debriefed it, but can we talk
about Daddy McGraw?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Oh my gosh, can we talk.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
About give me your wait? So I actually got I
got to be there when you play.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
The reason someone.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
What Chris isn't telling y'all is he got an offer
to basically correct me front take a bunch of artists
slash influencers to go do promo for Tim McGraw's new album.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Yes, I got to take my well, I got to
go out and take two.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Artists that I want to say yes, thank god I
was one of them.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Yes, but you were the one. Abby. I was like,
this is this is what we need.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I'm so glad you chose me, and so you take
me to LA and we did. We like, thought of
some ideas together, and I was like, what if I
did the female version of Red Ragtop, which is my
favorite Timmogross song? Yeap, and thank goodness he liked it.
I only messed up. How many times were you embarrassed?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
No?
Speaker 4 (13:16):
No, no, Here's what happened.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I was sweated so outside you were shaking and you
were asking me and you were like, You're like, is.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
This sound first off, it sounded great.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
It never did not sound great, shaky, and then you
sort of love the first one, yeah, which is fine,
big time, no, no, but it was sort of like
a ha ha, she's nervous.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
It's all good. Then the second one.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Happened to be fair.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
The second time I did flub, but thank goodness that
some air dryer was going on in the background.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Anyway, it wasn't It wasn't you. It was like something happened.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
To me, but something also happened, and so mister Tim
was like, hey, let's actually do this one more time
because an air dryer was going And then the third
time I nailed it.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
So after my reaction after the second time was I said,
get your.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Together, this is the final one. I am fuming.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And it happened, and I actually think my blood pressure
reached a max.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
And then and then.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I honestly, I honestly, I don't know. I don't know
why I messed up so many times.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I mean, well, I will say, you are also changing
the lyrics to the other side, so maybe.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
And I practiced that, maybe I needed to practice more.
I really just think being knee to me with Tim
McGraw was scared.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Yeah, hell of a looking guy.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
He's so handsome, very handsome, very very strong to He
had one of the firmest handshakes I've.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Ever like, it was sturdy, it was present.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Yeah, it was. It was in doing. But now you're
going on tour with him.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
So I'm going on tour with him?
Speaker 4 (14:49):
What?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Thank you?
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Well? I mean no, I mean it's it's all you.
But what happened? Wait? What are you most excited for?
Because you're playing Bridge down? You haven't done Bridge yet.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I've never done Bridge though.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Yeah, let's talk about that.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
So I feel like this is a literal dream coming true.
It is a dream coming true. I'm really excited about
the Bridgetone show. And I think what's really fun too,
is like, you know, I have a big family, five sisters,
and now all of them like, all of a sudden,
I'm cool shit, and they're like, oh, can we go
to this show?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Can we go to this show?
Speaker 3 (15:18):
And even like the festivals were doing, they're like festivals
they actually want to go.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
To, right.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
It's different when it's like, oh, I got to go
halfway across the country see my sister, versus oh I'm
already going there with the fact.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
That's what's fun. And they're bringing their friends and their boyfriends.
It's just I love, like, I love being able to
be the connector of people and be like, yeah, come
on the show and I can actually get you tickets,
which is.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Fun, you know, and it's way you've told me this.
But there's seven of you.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
There's seven of us, six girls.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Does the guy ever feel like he's voiceless?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
And yeah, oh my gosh, you guys such a stud.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
He is a ladies man, knows exactly what he's doing. Nice,
he's got I mean, he's got six moms. Essentially, we're
all obsessed with him.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
I do like that. Yeah, so I do. I think
I do.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
He's on a little rooster there you go.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
You're like, go, go, boy go, we love him. That's amazing.
I want to do this.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
This is a fun segment that we've done and I
think this will actually be you'll enjoy this.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Okay, have you seen rank these five things without knowing
what comes next?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Ooh the thing I'll like we've done on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah, so I'll be like, I'll give you a topic like,
for example, guitars.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I've seen it with the guys it's like you have
to rank.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Okay, okay, yeah like this, so you have to rank
them one through five, but you don't know what comes next.
So the first category is rank these five things ways
to break up with your partner.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Oh, this is sad.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Well we're going sad to happy.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
First is full on ghost mode, even if you've been
together for years.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Okay, so here's my question, have have you been together
for years? With all these answers, you've been together for years.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
We'll say like, we'll say like a two years, two years.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Okay, Well that's at the very very very bottom. So
that's number five.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Number two is fake your own death.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Oh gosh, my kid, there'll be a lower one than five.
That's terrible.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
I'll get I'll let you one switch.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Okay, that's five, and ghosting is four. But they're kind
of the same.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
What about.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
What about rent out a hospital bed and hire a
fake doctor to tell them that you have amnesia from
a severe monopoly accident.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
No, this is way too much work. I'm way too
lazy for all of these things.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
So you put that at three.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Sure, what about this is the one that no one
wants to do?
Speaker 4 (17:46):
But what about be honest and tell them how you feel.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
One and absolutely number one. I love a good confrontation.
I love a good heart to heart. Let's sit down
and figure this out.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
There you go. The last was date date their best friend.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Oh, that's actually not bad. That's number two. I would
probably would you really, I actually you know that's I
haven't actually done that, but I have had a crush
on the best friend of the guy I was dating.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I just thought he was so handsome. I was like,
oh my gosh, he's so cute.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, I don't know. Maybe that's a tough one, though.
I've seen those. I've seen those go really south. I
had a friend that I was in the middle of
a crossfire between like three really close friends. Yeah, guy
friend dated a girl, other guy was there, okay, and
other guy then dated the girl after they broke up,
and then the guys don't become friends.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
And now I'm like, I mean, I'm just and you're like,
I'm just.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Crazy, Like both of those guys were your friends and
they're not friends.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Yes, then you have to play sides. See.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I just wouldn't want I wouldn't like thinking about like, oh,
my friend's already been here.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I don't like that. I don't like that thought.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Well that's why it's two and not one. Maybe maybe
tell tell, you know, tell people how it is. Okay,
let's see these are The next one is like it's
gonna be ranked these five things and the category is X,
like things that love me.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
My sisters do this all the time.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Okay, okay, So the first one is the first one
is like liking chicken nuggets, like ordering chicken nuggets.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Where do you put that out?
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Probably three? Wait, is number one like the worst dick?
Speaker 4 (19:33):
We'll say, we'll say number one's stick. Number one is
the least deck.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Okay, I'd say chicken.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Okay, Now I will say if a grown man is
sitting it depends if it's like we're going to Chick
fil a and he wants chicken nuggets for lunches.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Different.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
But if we go to a restaurant and he orders
chicken tenders, that's an eck.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I'll keep it at three. I'll keep it at three.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Okay, we're probably not going to go on another date,
but I'd put that at three.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
And a guy uses an umbrella.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Well, if it's for me, then that's not anick at all.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
What if it was a guy. Then he used an
umbrella and like took dominance of the umbrella.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Like just for him, an absolute dick. I don't like
that at all, Like I'm just standing in the rain.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Yeah no, what about like what about talking like in
a baby voice to a pet?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
I mean people like animals? That's not superick. That's like no,
that's probably the least dick, probably five.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Yeah, you're you're okay with like, I'm okay you talk
with a dog? Yeah? Sure?
Speaker 2 (20:42):
What about when saying like someone's in here when you are,
like when they're in the bathroom stall, like when you
knock on the bathroom stall.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Like saying someone's in here? What else he supposed to say?
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Do you say anything?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
I have? One is what do I say when people
have knocked on? Well, I'll usually just say just a minute.
Let's probably number four.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
That's not nick.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Okay, that's that's that's not bad.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
That's not bad.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Wait, hold on, I need to find what the last
one was because I made this list. Chicken nuggets. Guy
us an umbrella says somebody here is in the bathroom
stall talking.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
To use umbrella as one.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Yeah, umbrellas one.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
The last one is The last one was watching somebody
chase a ping pong ball, which I don't think is that.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Much of an.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
It's not an.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
It's polite because I'm not going to chase it, so
like you have to the ping.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Pong Real if two people with like big pong ball
goes like in your direction near you, are you just
gonna look at.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Me and be like no, then I would like pick
it up? Am I gonna because I've chased a ping
pong ball?
Speaker 3 (21:47):
It's like I don't want to think about what I
look like chasing a ping pong that's gonna give myself.
I'm probably guarandamn to you. I have given Tyler way
more X than he has given me.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Maybe I'm gonna have to ask him about this because
I know I annoy the hell out of him.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
But you will not tell.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Me Tyler's go. He's just like too, He's stoic.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
And he's just like, you can't make me mad. You
can't make me mad. I'm like, but I know I
pissed him off.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Are you trying to piss him off?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I think sometimes I do try to piss him off
just for fun, Like I like to pick a fight
sometimes for fun, you know, but it's a fun fight,
Like I like, I just like some confrontations sometimes, Like
I like a good debate, and he's just all.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Like, whatever you want, whatever you like. I know, I
actually do.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
I do want to talk about not not necessarily specific,
well yes, Tyler, but to the point of, like, because
you have a crazy year, you're always on the road,
you're always doing stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
How have you been able to balance It's like being
with somebody not in the industry.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Oh, I think I think it helps being with someone
not in the industry, Like it's very refreshing, and I
think it takes a I think I think it takes
a very certain type of man, because I think about
this a lot with my girlfriends who date artists, and
it's kind of like, well, the woman is like expected
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to stay at home and like man the house and
the guy goes off and works right. And me and
Tyler talk about this all the time, Like he loves
being home, he works his ass off, he loves to fish,
he loves to hunt, and he really loves being alone.
So it works out perfectly, you know that, Like I
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can go off on the town, do my thing, go perform,
go dress.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Up, go dancing Intube Go dancing.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
In Utah, and like he's at home five am. He's
on the Cumberland fishing and that's his that's his piece,
you know.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
So it's nice that like he's such a.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Strong confident man that he can he just lets me
go fly off and lets me do my thing. And
the only thing he ever cares about is he's just
like all the time, he's just like, I just want
you to be happy, like go create, go have fun.
He loves being home, he hates traveling. So it works out.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Purpose.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
The answer is the answers, don't the answers don't date
somebody in the industry.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
No, I wouldn't say that because you're in the industry
and you're a good guy.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Chris, I'm an okay guy.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
It's not that I think it does take a certain
amount of confidence though, to like, for sure, let your
partner just go do their thing, promise.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I see this is like a Nashville thing because Nashville
is small town like La, I don't think it's as
much of an issue, but Nashville, like I watched too,
Like I'm sure you have too. Two friends that were
just started dating, they're like sort of doing loose business
exchanges and then they break up and the artists one
was an artist, one was in the industry.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
But they break up, and then like all the industry people.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Now have backlash toward the artist and all and now
all the artist friends have backlashed, and it's.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Like the ripple effect is bad. That's why I don't
like it.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I think that'd be tricky. But also I don't know
it works for the people it works for. I just
think I require way too much attention to like share
the spotlight with anybody.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Super fair, and it takes a guy to understand the
or or girl to understand the craziness that it takes
mentally to be in this industry.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Yeah, for sure, there's that. Yeah, you know, we're all
a little messed up.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
We're all everybody's a little messed up. Yeah, we're just
especially so Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Let's talk about Oh, I want to talk about hard
on Fire Mexic, because you were talking about yesterday. I think, so,
this is my this is my reaction of the song
following it, and then I want to hear yours.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
What's crazy to me about this?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Was like I feel like everyone is in this mindset
now where we have to post a song has to
go viral and then we put it out.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
And I feel like that.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
You prove the example of like we did the marketing campaign,
put it out and then like it kind of did
six months and it was a good release, but it
was fine, but it didn't But I think like in
what September six months later, it connects with people because
of these videos that you know you're doing, yeah, and
then like it just spirals from that and it just
I don't know. It gave me a new perspective on
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the fact that like I think we're at a weird
time now where like it's.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Like we need pre saves, we need to go viral,
And I always say that stuff to you.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
And then there's also the argument of can we just
make good art and put it out and like in
this case, this is a good song and the good song.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
One yeah, like that thought.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
I think, because we do talk about this a lot.
I think, for one thing, I want people to hear
my music. So I'm all about, like I want to
market it correctly. I want to make sure we have
all the content we need for a successful pre release.
Because I'm like the thing that sucks the most is
feeling like you wrote one of your favorite songs, the
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best song you've ever writen, and nobody's hearing it. That's
a sucking feeling and so so yes, like there absolutely is,
like I want I want to make sure I'm doing
my song justice by it. In no other business would
you like make a T shirt and not let people
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know that you're dropping a T shirt?
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yes, that's insane. So same thing for music. And I've
been thinking. I was thinking about this yesterday.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I was like, I just don't want this to feel
super stressful anymore. Like it just feels so freaking stressful.
Sometimes I think it's because of the pressure I put
on myself for like, oh, in two weeks, I need
to get ten thousand pre saves, and it's like, you know,
we've we did see it was hard on fire like
that probably did you know a few thousand pre saves?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Sure, nothn't crazy.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
But then it was like like you just start putting
up video. You never know what performance, what video is
gonna launch it, and it's like it's always gonna be there, right,
there's always time for a song to be heard. So
now I kind of more think of it as, yes,
the pre saves are important, Yes, yes, yes, still want
to like set it up properly so people actually know
(28:20):
a song is coming, but the first week isn't end
all be all.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah, And that's a nice thought.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
No, I agree. It's been weird. You know.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I've I saw like have you heard that song? Like
it's like Merrily We Fall? Yeah, you know how that's
coming back. And then there was an Adele song that
came back. Then there was like a Johnny Cash Like
I feel like all these songs are resurfacing that are
like if not too three years old, they could be
twenty years old. And I feel like that's what I'm
(28:51):
really This is just like an overall thought about the industry.
But I'm very curious to see where in like twenty
years from now, like what songs stick around and what
artists stick around, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Yeah, I feel like everyone's craving that again, Like we
just want to make good music.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
And I think we care about people, right, Like you
attach yourself to the artists that like puts out songs
because like they represent something, right, they're a brand, and
like their music's good and specific songs are great. But
I think like longevity of an artist is going to
be how do I say it is dictated, that's the word,
is going to be dictated by their ability to like
(29:26):
connect their brand to their fans.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I'd like to think so that's how it's always been,
right mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Yeah, there's just more people, more people doing it, that's all.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, Guys, Bright Side of Blue, Abby Anderson new record
coming out this Friday.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Look at how many pre saves it already has.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Now, I have not.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Right Side of Blue coming out this Friday. I want
to look at that number.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I don't know if we're looking at those numbers.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
That we're we're going to be thinking good thoughts here.
So Bright Side of Blue comes out this Friday. Probably
the most amount of buzz you've ever had.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
On this song, the most buzz.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, Well seriously, what like what what? What is the song?
What does it mean to you?
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Well?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
So I wrote it with Bonnie Diamond, who we love,
who's producing everything. I've been working with her for like
a long time, well probably the past few months now.
I wrote it with her and this girl Clara Callaway
who Clara I wrote ain't gone yet with and she's
just like a soul sister, amazing writer.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
And she came in one day. I had no ideas.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
I was not prepared because I'm like, oh, with my girlfriends,
like we'll kick around, we'll find something good, you know.
And she came in with this title bright side of Blue,
and she was.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Like, I don't know what it means.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
And as soon as she said that, I was like,
I know what this means. And I've always felt like
the common threat in my career, at least so far,
has kind of been I've been knocked on my ass
a couple of times. I thought I was gonna quit.
At one point, I Maine me being dramatic like now,
(31:05):
just being all of like twenty two years old, just
feeling washed up and done, you know, and feeling like
I was gonna quit and just allowing people to I
don't know, just like sinking sink their teeth in the
meal a little bit. And I was just thinking, like, man,
even at my lowest, I still find a smile and
I still find.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
A reason to keep going. I'm always on the bright
side of blue, baby.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
That's what it means to me.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
I'm like, even in my darkest moments, even when I'm
crying or whatever, feeling sorry for myself. Yeah, I still
know I'm gonna be okay. I'm gonna find a way.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
To be okay.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I have this I have this image of like you
coming out on Bridgestone and the like ground like opens
up and you rise and it's like she was knocked down.
She thought she was gonna quest and then it's just
like and then it's like you, I don't shooting up,
you know what I'm saying, Like it would just it
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would be a cool that's after.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
That's after the intro for Heart on Fire, when the
show starts and there's this huge flaming heart just coming
down from the center of the and I'm in it.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
You drop down from in it.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
We don't worry. I think about this extensively.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Good to know. I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Let's talk about And I haven't fully defined the term
yet due to conversations we had prior to this about
what it means to be broader than just country.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
I've been thinking about that too, because I'm like, what
even how do what do? I don't like it when
people were like, oh, that's not country, and it's like,
do y'all even know where country came from?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Really, no, you don't.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Also, I feel like if you're not, if you don't,
like there's not a traditional country record, but you say
it's country and then gets boxed into country.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Like I've always wonder why it's just.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
The politics behind it.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
I really think people just yeah, it's like it's either
it's country if it came from music row, and it's
not country if it didn't.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
So it's a location thing, I think.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
So I think a lot of it's just the politics
in the business behind it, which is like, nothing wrong
with that, like you know, but it's so much bigger
than that. The storytelling country is so much based not
just in Nashville. Freaking people are making amazing country records
outside of Nashville.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
I also think that I think this year is going
to be a massive year for collaboration and crossovers more
than we're I think like the Beyonce stuff is a
good example.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
It's so good.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
It's like people go so mad about that, but I'm like, y'all,
she's a Houston girl. Why she's a freaking us She's
a Texas girl. She probably knows more about country than
any of us do.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
Why did everyone get mad Beyonce, I just don't get.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Well, we could go and I know why.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
But but what do you think? You know? Also post Malone.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Exactly, well, you know what pisses me off? No one's
getting mad at him?
Speaker 4 (34:03):
So why is nobody mad at Post alone?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Why?
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Yes? I know why. Frankly, is that an issue? Is
that an issue?
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
First yes, and then it just is annoying.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
It's like, but you know what post Post is a
Texas boy, like he's a country boy. Beyonce is a
country girl. Like whatever, it's a freaking country song.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
I like, I will say, I like all watching all
the people do the dance to her song, and it's
so and it has been.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
I do think she has brought in a new listenership
to the genre.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Like yeah, thanks goodness.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Which we need.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
I have seen a lot of people, a lot of
diverse people that are doing the dance and listening to it,
and I think those people probably aren't listening to.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
You know what I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say people
don't think it's country because he's black, for sure, and
people think Post is country because he's white.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Let's just that's why. Yeah, that is why.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
And I think it's so funny because I'm like, yo,
black people have been making amazing country music. For one
of my favorite country records of all time is Ray
Charles Ray Charles's album I Listened to This as a
little girl, The Modern Sounds and country and Western music.
One of the best country records ever, yeah, is by
a black man. So like, like they freaking created country music.
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It's just funny to me. But I think we've just
been in that world for so long, probably like the
last literally forever probably of just like you get used
to what you see, you know, and what you see
is a lot of white people making country music.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
So you're like, that's country, you.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Know, well, and it's not. I mean it's not just
the race thing too, but there's also the gender part
of it. Yeah, really hard.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
That's it's really hard to get on the charts as
a girl, and it's unfortunate it's that way. But like
I think I was looking at the charts the other
day and they were like, you know, I mean every
week it's like two or three people on the top thirty.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Right, which it's crazy, but you know, and I feel
like I probably don't let myself think about that, and
maybe I should, but I just don't let myself think
about Like, I don't know. I don't like it when
a lot of people tell me. And it's like people
inside the industry and outside, like people will tell me like,
oh well it's hard, like life is harder as a girl,
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and it's gonna be harder for you.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I hate that.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
I freaking hate that because I'm like, if I woke
up and told myself today's harder because I'm a girl,
then what am I doing?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
You know?
Speaker 3 (36:28):
And thankfully I was raised in a house. I was
raised by a very like strong independent Mexican lady who
was like, I don't give a shit to your girl.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
You're gonna go how the lawn. She's like, it.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Wasn't talked about it in her house because we had
six girls in our house.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Owen didn't come till we were like eighteen.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Yeah, And it's like you just had to get just
get the freaking job done.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Get the job done.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
That's that hard on fire in Mexico lineas.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Grandmother, right, start with my ground and it's just like
you just get the job done. Like my dad was
out of town all time working, so it's just you know,
us girls man in the house. So I just didn't
think about it, and I probably should, like I want
to be sensitive to that. And also I just can't.
I cannot allow myself to believe that. I can't. So
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I don't think about it, and I just keep on
keeping on and I just think, Nope, it's gonna be me.
It's gonna be me, you know. But also like historically,
we all know the pendulum swings, and like back in
the late nineties, nineties, two thousands, who was on top
(37:42):
of the charts all the girls? And then one person
was like, oh, no, one wants to hear girls anymore.
So then we heard guys for forever.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
You know.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
So I was like whatever, you know, the biggest stars
in country music historically having women.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
So I'm not worried about it about it.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
That's the confidence that we all need. It's good. I Oh,
also big news. You're playing stagecoach, Yes, and you're playing.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
We're playing a lot of festivals, like a ton of festivals.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
I'm I feel like they all came in at once too.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
I came in at once, which is so fun. I'm like, man,
what I was thinking about that? Like, man, what is
that thing that like just makes them. I don't know,
the momentum start up again, because you're right, like I
did just kind of do nothing for I mean, I
wasn't doing any I wasn't doing nothing, but it was
(38:44):
just kind of like I did feel like, Okay, I
had my shot.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
You know I didn't.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
I didn't necessarily mean it like you were doing nothing.
I think it's that like buzz factor that happens. It's
just a weird thing. But it's like the records come out,
and then the people that like are moving the lever
with you, right, like the team is moving in a
like unit, and then like other people that are in
the industry also like then believe in you. It's just
like a I don't know, it's a weird effect, like
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a domino effect, but I feel like you're hitting it
in stride and like doing all these festival is gonna
be insane.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah, it's gonna be a good year.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Christopher, all right, that's that's all the time that Abby
and I have.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
I'm very busy. You have to go.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
You need to go get food. All right.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
We'll see you guys next week. Thanks for tuning in.
As always, An We'll touch him
You're very complished.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm proud of that, minus the fact I have a
receding hairline and I wear hats.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
But other than that, Chris, everyone's got a receiving hairline
that it looks great.
Speaker 4 (00:08):
Thanks I with the hat, it looks great.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hey everyone, welcome back to Nashville's podcast, The six on
five House. It's Chris Rudeger. I do want to thank
our friends at iHeart. I want to thank you six
are Dding team and Matt McLain for taking care of us,
making us look and sound great. We have a new
episode this week and this artist has a single dropping
this Friday that I'm super excited about called bright Side
of Blue. Here's the cool part about this episode. Well,
(00:47):
I've worked with many artists that I'm friends with, some
artists I'm getting to know for the first time. This
artist I have gotten to see rise in the past
two years, working very closely with their releases in marketing.
So I'm super excited to bring her in. She has
one of the best voices in Nashville. She is a
mastermind on the keyboard, and I think that's why she's
going on tour with Tim McGraw here in April as
(01:08):
well as playing stagecoach and CMA Fest. So we're gonna
get into all of it. It's gonna get juicy, it's
gonna get good. This is my good friend, Abby Anderson.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Let's do it.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I don't know about media training. I don't know if
I want to do it. I don't know if I
want to do it because if I lose.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Wait, wait, I actually want to talk about this because
we should talk about this. We can we're already rolling.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
No, I want to talk about this because I think
that nowadays, I think brutal honesty wins, and I like,
I look at somebody like jelly Roll who puts his
phone up and talks and says whatever he wants on camera.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I don't think jelly Roll has been media trained, maybe.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Now, but like probably not, and I feel like his
authenticity is better than all the people that have been
media trained because you're.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Blocking stuff, like is it?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
And I'm not trying to be rude to media trainers,
but isn't the point of media training to block out
the bad things you say?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Which, well, I don't think it's to block anything. What
I would like to learn is like when someone asks
me a question that I don't want to answer how
to deal how to navigate that because there are certain
things they're like private to you that you don't want
to talk about, you know, and so like how to But.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I feel like I'm pretty good at that naturally.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Like I'm pretty good at like, yeah, just say it,
like I don't want to talk.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
About that, you don't, right, which I think is I mean,
you're more vocal about it than other people.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I know other people that.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Then say it and then they go, can we take
it out? And then it's awkward or.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I don't want to think about filtering myself because then
when I think about filtering myself.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
And for what, that's what I'm Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Want to think about, like because I've done that before,
like in the early early days, and it's just every
interview feels so fake and so like just it's just
not genuine.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Why why were you doing it? Though? Do you think
it was? Like was it like other people?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, it's just to save everybody's ass.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
But that's what I just I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Which I get to like everybody's trying to keep a job, right,
which I get that, Like I would never want to
say or do anything that would put the people around
me at risk for their jobs. And that goes for
me too, Like I want everyone to I want all
my fans to feel welcome and safe and everything. But
you know, I'd like to think I'm a good person.
I'm never gonna say anything that's like just terrible, you know.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I just I that also to me, like has to
do with the communication between teams, because I think, like
I'm not not your situation per sae, but a lot
of teams Like if the manager and the label and
the publisher and all these people aren't aligned, then everybody's
saying different stuff and blaming each other and it makes
no sense.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Right, And I'm always like blame me, like I'm the
one with the I'm the one like with you know FA.
So I'm like, it's always gonna be me. I'm never
gonna blame anybody else for things that come out of
my mouth.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
So while we're rolling here, so this is different for
everyone that's tuning in. This podcast is a chance to
get to know people. And as I mentioned some of
the other guests that have come on, I either a
meeting for the first time or maybe don't know as well.
But in this case, I think it's really cool because
you and I can just have a super honest conversation
because I've gotten to know you and work with you
(04:27):
in various capacities. So I want to talk about. Really,
what I want to talk about is the direction that
you've gone the last year. I want to talk about
the change, the realization you had like on like honestly,
because I mean, you and I have talked about a
bunch offline, but I think it's important for people to know.
And then also the future because I think you're a
(04:48):
star and you've got a lot of stuff cooked, so.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
You better think of a star.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Yeah, okay, so talk to me. I sure, hope, so
right that be bad?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Otherwise talk to me about Okay, talk to me about
make them wait goes Big Country radio right does its thing.
But then like after that, I feel like you had
like a realization moment.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
For lots of realizations. Dang, I don't even know where
to It's weird. I was talking speaking to like media
and publicists and everything.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I was talking to.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
A biography writer with my publicist like yesterday, and she
was just and you go through your entire life story
and It's weird because I feel like Making Way was
so long ago. That was freaking like six years ago.
Now I'm twenty six years old and that was already
six years ago.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I'm like, holy crap, no, make him Way.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I still like that song, like, am I I'm not
like that and introduce myself to a lot of people.
So I'm always gonna be thankful for that. But no,
after that, I don't know. I always thought my first
single like kind of a punchy, like personality driven song
and then introduced the piano player stuff later. Yeah, and
that's just not the way it went, And that's okay,
(06:12):
I think, No, I think after that, it was like,
it took me two years after that to be like, man,
I need to go. I need to go be free
and I need to create the way I did when
I was like nine or ten. We're like that girl
didn't give a crap about anything. She just was writing
her little jingles, sitting at the piano, entertaining people and
having a good time.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I don't think I've ever told you this. Oh no, no, no, no,
I am so. I hadn't moved to Nashville when that
song came on the radio. I think I just or
maybe I was just moving and I heard and I
kept hearing it climb up the charts, and I was like,
this girl has got something. I was like, this is great,
but I like fan boyd crazy.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Wait, how old are you? We're the same age. How
old are you?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Basically twenty five?
Speaker 1 (06:55):
You're twenty four?
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Gosh, I you forget what we got this? What was
wrong with people? Know?
Speaker 1 (07:01):
When you're twenty five, that's badass. You're very complished.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
It's badass.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I'm proud of.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
That, minus the fact I have a receding hairline and
I wear hats.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
But other than that, everyone's got a receiving hairline that
it looks great.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Thanks with a hat, it looks great. Thanks for the compliment, Abby.
So No, but I heard this song and I'm like,
all right, this is like it's crushing. People were talking
about it doing the thing, and then I followed you.
But I felt like there was a section where I
was sort of like, as a fan, I was like, well,
where did you go?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Totally honest, I say that, not like I was asking
myself the same thing, you.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Know, But I heard that song and then like I
was waiting for I don't know, you did put you
in the box of like a piano girl, like for
sure for extent, but I'm I'm curious as to like,
so what was the realization?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Again?
Speaker 3 (07:48):
It was just like when I first moved to Town,
I was seventeen, and I was just like you. I
say this with a lot of joy in my heart
now because I feel like I'm that girl again and
some When I moved to Town, I was seventeen and
I just had so much naive confidence and I feel.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Like I have that back now.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Like I was just delusionally confident, Like I set a
goal that I was going to sign a record, that
I would have a record deal and a publishing deal
two years from the date I moved to Nashville, and
I kid you, not two years later to the very date,
I had a publishing and a record deal. So like
that's the kind of delusional I was.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
And it worked.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
It's like a movie.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
It literally was like.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
No one literally was like a movie, Chris, Like everything
was almost like too easy, you know, and so like
sign the deal. And I noticed I noticed a shift
when I first moved to Nashville. I was making music
that was like turning people's heads, and they were like,
who is this girl? She's like country Alicia Keys, She's
like outside of country, but Texas girl, Like you can
(08:57):
hear the country my voice?
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Like I can't.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I can't get rid of the Texas, you know. But
the more I wrote, I realized, I was like, damn,
this kind of sucks because everything I love, the people
around me hate, and I'm being told this isn't radio,
this isn't radio. Where when I was seventeen, I was like, well,
that's the point. I'm making music that hasn't been heard
(09:20):
yet before. No one's been doing this, and I allowed
that to happen. And that's what happened, was I started
making music that I started listening to the fear around me,
and nobody's wrong for that. Everybody's trying to keep a
job and everybody was trying to do what they.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Thought was best.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Sure, you know, well everyone has opinions. I think that's
the hard part too. Of like wrestling, When do you
ever feel like there's so many opinions going around that
you play pinball a little bit?
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Not anymore? Yeah, not anymore? Like now I can nineteen
year old me very much listen to other people way
more than I did myself. Like everybody's opinion was God.
To me. That was like, Okay, I need to do that,
even if it went against my gut, even if it
(10:05):
went against everything I believed. Now I can listen to
people's opinions with joy and be like, Okay, interesting take.
But at the end of the day, I know I'm
going to take those opinions and go with what I
feel strongest about, strongly about, strongest.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Strongest, whatever. Either one.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yes, I was home school.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
I like it. I like it. You said you refer
to yourself as the country Alicia. Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I don't quote me on that.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
No, I'm going to compare to Alicia keys By just
mean when I first moved to town.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, it was my piano playing.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
It was the soul, the soul of me and and
I'd like to think just good songwriting.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Did you see that? Did you see the halftime show?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I loved it.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Did you see all the fla though?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
That was great?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Do you see everyone was like attacking Alicia's husband because
what because she got up close and personal with Usher?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I mean, wouldn't you? Chris said, I'm a happy married woman.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I get up close to personal with Usher and and
Tyler would be watching from the crowd be like hell yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
As a single twenty five year old gentleman.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
You would get up.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I enjoyed it. Yes, No, I just think it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
People were like, oh, she's like oh she wasn't like
she got whatever, like weird with him, And I didn't
really see the ring, like what's going on. It's like relax,
like it's show. It's showmanship, and can we not just
appreciate art for art.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
It's also your performing Like.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
It's just fun. It's so fun.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Also, I'm like, dancing with another another man doesn't mean
you're thinking about anything else other than just having a
good time for a minute. And you know it doesn't
have to go past that. People always make things sexual
and it's like it's got nothing to do with that.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
It's just I went.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
I was at a gig in Salt Lake and it
was so much fun. And the promoter there that took
me out dancing, and like, you really think my husband
will want me alone in the hotel room sad in
a new city.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
No nice, probably like go turn it up dance if.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
I freaking go have a good time, and I did.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, we haven't really debriefed it, but can we talk
about Daddy McGraw?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Oh my gosh, can we talk.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
About give me your wait? So I actually got I
got to be there when you play.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
The reason someone.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
What Chris isn't telling y'all is he got an offer
to basically correct me front take a bunch of artists
slash influencers to go do promo for Tim McGraw's new album.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Yes, I got to take my well, I got to
go out and take two.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Artists that I want to say yes, thank god I
was one of them.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Yes, but you were the one. Abby. I was like,
this is this is what we need.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I'm so glad you chose me, and so you take
me to LA and we did. We like, thought of
some ideas together, and I was like, what if I
did the female version of Red Ragtop, which is my
favorite Timmogross song? Yeap, and thank goodness he liked it.
I only messed up. How many times were you embarrassed?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
No?
Speaker 4 (13:16):
No, no, Here's what happened.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I was sweated so outside you were shaking and you
were asking me and you were like, You're like, is.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
This sound first off, it sounded great.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
It never did not sound great, shaky, and then you
sort of love the first one, yeah, which is fine,
big time, no, no, but it was sort of like
a ha ha, she's nervous.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
It's all good. Then the second one.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Happened to be fair.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
The second time I did flub, but thank goodness that
some air dryer was going on in the background.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Anyway, it wasn't It wasn't you. It was like something happened.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
To me, but something also happened, and so mister Tim
was like, hey, let's actually do this one more time
because an air dryer was going And then the third
time I nailed it.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
So after my reaction after the second time was I said,
get your.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Together, this is the final one. I am fuming.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And it happened, and I actually think my blood pressure
reached a max.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
And then and then.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I honestly, I honestly, I don't know. I don't know
why I messed up so many times.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I mean, well, I will say, you are also changing
the lyrics to the other side, so maybe.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
And I practiced that, maybe I needed to practice more.
I really just think being knee to me with Tim
McGraw was scared.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Yeah, hell of a looking guy.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
He's so handsome, very handsome, very very strong to He
had one of the firmest handshakes I've.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Ever like, it was sturdy, it was present.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Yeah, it was. It was in doing. But now you're
going on tour with him.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
So I'm going on tour with him?
Speaker 4 (14:49):
What?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Thank you?
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Well? I mean no, I mean it's it's all you.
But what happened? Wait? What are you most excited for?
Because you're playing Bridge down? You haven't done Bridge yet.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I've never done Bridge though.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Yeah, let's talk about that.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
So I feel like this is a literal dream coming true.
It is a dream coming true. I'm really excited about
the Bridgetone show. And I think what's really fun too,
is like, you know, I have a big family, five sisters,
and now all of them like, all of a sudden,
I'm cool shit, and they're like, oh, can we go
to this show?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Can we go to this show?
Speaker 3 (15:18):
And even like the festivals were doing, they're like festivals
they actually want to go.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
To, right.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
It's different when it's like, oh, I got to go
halfway across the country see my sister, versus oh I'm
already going there with the fact.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
That's what's fun. And they're bringing their friends and their boyfriends.
It's just I love, like, I love being able to
be the connector of people and be like, yeah, come
on the show and I can actually get you tickets,
which is.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Fun, you know, and it's way you've told me this.
But there's seven of you.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
There's seven of us, six girls.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Does the guy ever feel like he's voiceless?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
And yeah, oh my gosh, you guys such a stud.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
He is a ladies man, knows exactly what he's doing. Nice,
he's got I mean, he's got six moms. Essentially, we're
all obsessed with him.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
I do like that. Yeah, so I do. I think
I do.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
He's on a little rooster there you go.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
You're like, go, go, boy go, we love him. That's amazing.
I want to do this.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
This is a fun segment that we've done and I
think this will actually be you'll enjoy this.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Okay, have you seen rank these five things without knowing
what comes next?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Ooh the thing I'll like we've done on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah, so I'll be like, I'll give you a topic like,
for example, guitars.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I've seen it with the guys it's like you have
to rank.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Okay, okay, yeah like this, so you have to rank
them one through five, but you don't know what comes next.
So the first category is rank these five things ways
to break up with your partner.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Oh, this is sad.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Well we're going sad to happy.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
First is full on ghost mode, even if you've been
together for years.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Okay, so here's my question, have have you been together
for years? With all these answers, you've been together for years.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
We'll say like, we'll say like a two years, two years.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Okay, Well that's at the very very very bottom. So
that's number five.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Number two is fake your own death.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Oh gosh, my kid, there'll be a lower one than five.
That's terrible.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
I'll get I'll let you one switch.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Okay, that's five, and ghosting is four. But they're kind
of the same.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
What about.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
What about rent out a hospital bed and hire a
fake doctor to tell them that you have amnesia from
a severe monopoly accident.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
No, this is way too much work. I'm way too
lazy for all of these things.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
So you put that at three.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Sure, what about this is the one that no one
wants to do?
Speaker 4 (17:46):
But what about be honest and tell them how you feel.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
One and absolutely number one. I love a good confrontation.
I love a good heart to heart. Let's sit down
and figure this out.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
There you go. The last was date date their best friend.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Oh, that's actually not bad. That's number two. I would
probably would you really, I actually you know that's I
haven't actually done that, but I have had a crush
on the best friend of the guy I was dating.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I just thought he was so handsome. I was like,
oh my gosh, he's so cute.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, I don't know. Maybe that's a tough one, though.
I've seen those. I've seen those go really south. I
had a friend that I was in the middle of
a crossfire between like three really close friends. Yeah, guy
friend dated a girl, other guy was there, okay, and
other guy then dated the girl after they broke up,
and then the guys don't become friends.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
And now I'm like, I mean, I'm just and you're like,
I'm just.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Crazy, Like both of those guys were your friends and
they're not friends.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Yes, then you have to play sides. See.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I just wouldn't want I wouldn't like thinking about like, oh,
my friend's already been here.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I don't like that. I don't like that thought.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Well that's why it's two and not one. Maybe maybe
tell tell, you know, tell people how it is. Okay,
let's see these are The next one is like it's
gonna be ranked these five things and the category is X,
like things that love me.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
My sisters do this all the time.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Okay, okay, So the first one is the first one
is like liking chicken nuggets, like ordering chicken nuggets.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Where do you put that out?
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Probably three? Wait, is number one like the worst dick?
Speaker 4 (19:33):
We'll say, we'll say number one's stick. Number one is
the least deck.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Okay, I'd say chicken.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Okay, Now I will say if a grown man is
sitting it depends if it's like we're going to Chick
fil a and he wants chicken nuggets for lunches.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Different.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
But if we go to a restaurant and he orders
chicken tenders, that's an eck.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I'll keep it at three. I'll keep it at three.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Okay, we're probably not going to go on another date,
but I'd put that at three.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
And a guy uses an umbrella.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Well, if it's for me, then that's not anick at all.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
What if it was a guy. Then he used an
umbrella and like took dominance of the umbrella.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Like just for him, an absolute dick. I don't like
that at all, Like I'm just standing in the rain.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Yeah no, what about like what about talking like in
a baby voice to a pet?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
I mean people like animals? That's not superick. That's like no,
that's probably the least dick, probably five.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Yeah, you're you're okay with like, I'm okay you talk
with a dog? Yeah? Sure?
Speaker 2 (20:42):
What about when saying like someone's in here when you are,
like when they're in the bathroom stall, like when you
knock on the bathroom stall.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Like saying someone's in here? What else he supposed to say?
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Do you say anything?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
I have? One is what do I say when people
have knocked on? Well, I'll usually just say just a minute.
Let's probably number four.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
That's not nick.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Okay, that's that's that's not bad.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
That's not bad.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Wait, hold on, I need to find what the last
one was because I made this list. Chicken nuggets. Guy
us an umbrella says somebody here is in the bathroom
stall talking.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
To use umbrella as one.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Yeah, umbrellas one.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
The last one is The last one was watching somebody
chase a ping pong ball, which I don't think is that.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Much of an.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
It's not an.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
It's polite because I'm not going to chase it, so
like you have to the ping.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Pong Real if two people with like big pong ball
goes like in your direction near you, are you just
gonna look at.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Me and be like no, then I would like pick
it up? Am I gonna because I've chased a ping
pong ball?
Speaker 3 (21:47):
It's like I don't want to think about what I
look like chasing a ping pong that's gonna give myself.
I'm probably guarandamn to you. I have given Tyler way
more X than he has given me.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Maybe I'm gonna have to ask him about this because
I know I annoy the hell out of him.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
But you will not tell.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Me Tyler's go. He's just like too, He's stoic.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
And he's just like, you can't make me mad. You
can't make me mad. I'm like, but I know I
pissed him off.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Are you trying to piss him off?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I think sometimes I do try to piss him off
just for fun, Like I like to pick a fight
sometimes for fun, you know, but it's a fun fight,
Like I like, I just like some confrontations sometimes, Like
I like a good debate, and he's just all.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Like, whatever you want, whatever you like. I know, I
actually do.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
I do want to talk about not not necessarily specific,
well yes, Tyler, but to the point of, like, because
you have a crazy year, you're always on the road,
you're always doing stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
How have you been able to balance It's like being
with somebody not in the industry.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Oh, I think I think it helps being with someone
not in the industry, Like it's very refreshing, and I
think it takes a I think I think it takes
a very certain type of man, because I think about
this a lot with my girlfriends who date artists, and
it's kind of like, well, the woman is like expected
(23:23):
to stay at home and like man the house and
the guy goes off and works right. And me and
Tyler talk about this all the time, Like he loves
being home, he works his ass off, he loves to fish,
he loves to hunt, and he really loves being alone.
So it works out perfectly, you know that, Like I
(23:45):
can go off on the town, do my thing, go perform,
go dress.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Up, go dancing Intube Go dancing.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
In Utah, and like he's at home five am. He's
on the Cumberland fishing and that's his that's his piece,
you know.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
So it's nice that like he's such a.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Strong confident man that he can he just lets me
go fly off and lets me do my thing. And
the only thing he ever cares about is he's just
like all the time, he's just like, I just want
you to be happy, like go create, go have fun.
He loves being home, he hates traveling. So it works out.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Purpose.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
The answer is the answers, don't the answers don't date
somebody in the industry.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
No, I wouldn't say that because you're in the industry
and you're a good guy.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Chris, I'm an okay guy.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
It's not that I think it does take a certain
amount of confidence though, to like, for sure, let your
partner just go do their thing, promise.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I see this is like a Nashville thing because Nashville
is small town like La, I don't think it's as
much of an issue, but Nashville, like I watched too,
Like I'm sure you have too. Two friends that were
just started dating, they're like sort of doing loose business
exchanges and then they break up and the artists one
was an artist, one was in the industry.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
But they break up, and then like all the industry people.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Now have backlash toward the artist and all and now
all the artist friends have backlashed, and it's.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Like the ripple effect is bad. That's why I don't
like it.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I think that'd be tricky. But also I don't know
it works for the people it works for. I just
think I require way too much attention to like share
the spotlight with anybody.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Super fair, and it takes a guy to understand the
or or girl to understand the craziness that it takes
mentally to be in this industry.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Yeah, for sure, there's that. Yeah, you know, we're all
a little messed up.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
We're all everybody's a little messed up. Yeah, we're just
especially so Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Let's talk about Oh, I want to talk about hard
on Fire Mexic, because you were talking about yesterday. I think, so,
this is my this is my reaction of the song
following it, and then I want to hear yours.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
What's crazy to me about this?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Was like I feel like everyone is in this mindset
now where we have to post a song has to
go viral and then we put it out.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
And I feel like that.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
You prove the example of like we did the marketing campaign,
put it out and then like it kind of did
six months and it was a good release, but it
was fine, but it didn't But I think like in
what September six months later, it connects with people because
of these videos that you know you're doing, yeah, and
then like it just spirals from that and it just
I don't know. It gave me a new perspective on
(26:27):
the fact that like I think we're at a weird
time now where like it's.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Like we need pre saves, we need to go viral,
And I always say that stuff to you.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
And then there's also the argument of can we just
make good art and put it out and like in
this case, this is a good song and the good song.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
One yeah, like that thought.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
I think, because we do talk about this a lot.
I think, for one thing, I want people to hear
my music. So I'm all about, like I want to
market it correctly. I want to make sure we have
all the content we need for a successful pre release.
Because I'm like the thing that sucks the most is
feeling like you wrote one of your favorite songs, the
(27:05):
best song you've ever writen, and nobody's hearing it. That's
a sucking feeling and so so yes, like there absolutely is,
like I want I want to make sure I'm doing
my song justice by it. In no other business would
you like make a T shirt and not let people
(27:26):
know that you're dropping a T shirt?
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yes, that's insane. So same thing for music. And I've
been thinking. I was thinking about this yesterday.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I was like, I just don't want this to feel
super stressful anymore. Like it just feels so freaking stressful.
Sometimes I think it's because of the pressure I put
on myself for like, oh, in two weeks, I need
to get ten thousand pre saves, and it's like, you know,
we've we did see it was hard on fire like
that probably did you know a few thousand pre saves?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Sure, nothn't crazy.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
But then it was like like you just start putting
up video. You never know what performance, what video is
gonna launch it, and it's like it's always gonna be there, right,
there's always time for a song to be heard. So
now I kind of more think of it as, yes,
the pre saves are important, Yes, yes, yes, still want
to like set it up properly so people actually know
(28:20):
a song is coming, but the first week isn't end
all be all.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah, And that's a nice thought.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
No, I agree. It's been weird. You know.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I've I saw like have you heard that song? Like
it's like Merrily We Fall? Yeah, you know how that's
coming back. And then there was an Adele song that
came back. Then there was like a Johnny Cash Like
I feel like all these songs are resurfacing that are
like if not too three years old, they could be
twenty years old. And I feel like that's what I'm
(28:51):
really This is just like an overall thought about the industry.
But I'm very curious to see where in like twenty
years from now, like what songs stick around and what
artists stick around, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Yeah, I feel like everyone's craving that again, Like we
just want to make good music.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
And I think we care about people, right, Like you
attach yourself to the artists that like puts out songs
because like they represent something, right, they're a brand, and
like their music's good and specific songs are great. But
I think like longevity of an artist is going to
be how do I say it is dictated, that's the word,
is going to be dictated by their ability to like
(29:26):
connect their brand to their fans.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I'd like to think so that's how it's always been,
right mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Yeah, there's just more people, more people doing it, that's all.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, Guys, Bright Side of Blue, Abby Anderson new record
coming out this Friday.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Look at how many pre saves it already has.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Now, I have not.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Right Side of Blue coming out this Friday. I want
to look at that number.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I don't know if we're looking at those numbers.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
That we're we're going to be thinking good thoughts here.
So Bright Side of Blue comes out this Friday. Probably
the most amount of buzz you've ever had.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
On this song, the most buzz.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, Well seriously, what like what what? What is the song?
What does it mean to you?
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Well?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
So I wrote it with Bonnie Diamond, who we love,
who's producing everything. I've been working with her for like
a long time, well probably the past few months now.
I wrote it with her and this girl Clara Callaway
who Clara I wrote ain't gone yet with and she's
just like a soul sister, amazing writer.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
And she came in one day. I had no ideas.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
I was not prepared because I'm like, oh, with my girlfriends,
like we'll kick around, we'll find something good, you know.
And she came in with this title bright side of Blue,
and she was.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Like, I don't know what it means.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
And as soon as she said that, I was like,
I know what this means. And I've always felt like
the common threat in my career, at least so far,
has kind of been I've been knocked on my ass
a couple of times. I thought I was gonna quit.
At one point, I Maine me being dramatic like now,
(31:05):
just being all of like twenty two years old, just
feeling washed up and done, you know, and feeling like
I was gonna quit and just allowing people to I
don't know, just like sinking sink their teeth in the
meal a little bit. And I was just thinking, like, man,
even at my lowest, I still find a smile and
I still find.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
A reason to keep going. I'm always on the bright
side of blue, baby.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
That's what it means to me.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
I'm like, even in my darkest moments, even when I'm
crying or whatever, feeling sorry for myself. Yeah, I still
know I'm gonna be okay. I'm gonna find a way.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
To be okay.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I have this I have this image of like you
coming out on Bridgestone and the like ground like opens
up and you rise and it's like she was knocked down.
She thought she was gonna quest and then it's just
like and then it's like you, I don't shooting up,
you know what I'm saying, Like it would just it
(32:06):
would be a cool that's after.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
That's after the intro for Heart on Fire, when the
show starts and there's this huge flaming heart just coming
down from the center of the and I'm in it.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
You drop down from in it.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
We don't worry. I think about this extensively.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Good to know. I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Let's talk about And I haven't fully defined the term
yet due to conversations we had prior to this about
what it means to be broader than just country.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
I've been thinking about that too, because I'm like, what
even how do what do? I don't like it when
people were like, oh, that's not country, and it's like,
do y'all even know where country came from?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Really, no, you don't.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Also, I feel like if you're not, if you don't,
like there's not a traditional country record, but you say
it's country and then gets boxed into country.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Like I've always wonder why it's just.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
The politics behind it.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
I really think people just yeah, it's like it's either
it's country if it came from music row, and it's
not country if it didn't.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
So it's a location thing, I think.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
So I think a lot of it's just the politics
in the business behind it, which is like, nothing wrong
with that, like you know, but it's so much bigger
than that. The storytelling country is so much based not
just in Nashville. Freaking people are making amazing country records
outside of Nashville.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
I also think that I think this year is going
to be a massive year for collaboration and crossovers more
than we're I think like the Beyonce stuff is a
good example.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
It's so good.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
It's like people go so mad about that, but I'm like, y'all,
she's a Houston girl. Why she's a freaking us She's
a Texas girl. She probably knows more about country than
any of us do.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
Why did everyone get mad Beyonce, I just don't get.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Well, we could go and I know why.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
But but what do you think? You know? Also post Malone.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Exactly, well, you know what pisses me off? No one's
getting mad at him?
Speaker 4 (34:03):
So why is nobody mad at Post alone?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Why?
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Yes? I know why. Frankly, is that an issue? Is
that an issue?
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
First yes, and then it just is annoying.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
It's like, but you know what post Post is a
Texas boy, like he's a country boy. Beyonce is a
country girl. Like whatever, it's a freaking country song.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
I like, I will say, I like all watching all
the people do the dance to her song, and it's
so and it has been.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
I do think she has brought in a new listenership
to the genre.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Like yeah, thanks goodness.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Which we need.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
I have seen a lot of people, a lot of
diverse people that are doing the dance and listening to it,
and I think those people probably aren't listening to.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
You know what I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say people
don't think it's country because he's black, for sure, and
people think Post is country because he's white.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Let's just that's why. Yeah, that is why.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
And I think it's so funny because I'm like, yo,
black people have been making amazing country music. For one
of my favorite country records of all time is Ray
Charles Ray Charles's album I Listened to This as a
little girl, The Modern Sounds and country and Western music.
One of the best country records ever, yeah, is by
a black man. So like, like they freaking created country music.
(35:22):
It's just funny to me. But I think we've just
been in that world for so long, probably like the
last literally forever probably of just like you get used
to what you see, you know, and what you see
is a lot of white people making country music.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
So you're like, that's country, you.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Know, well, and it's not. I mean it's not just
the race thing too, but there's also the gender part
of it. Yeah, really hard.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
That's it's really hard to get on the charts as
a girl, and it's unfortunate it's that way. But like
I think I was looking at the charts the other
day and they were like, you know, I mean every
week it's like two or three people on the top thirty.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Right, which it's crazy, but you know, and I feel
like I probably don't let myself think about that, and
maybe I should, but I just don't let myself think
about Like, I don't know. I don't like it when
a lot of people tell me. And it's like people
inside the industry and outside, like people will tell me like,
oh well it's hard, like life is harder as a girl,
(36:14):
and it's gonna be harder for you.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I hate that.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
I freaking hate that because I'm like, if I woke
up and told myself today's harder because I'm a girl,
then what am I doing?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
You know?
Speaker 3 (36:28):
And thankfully I was raised in a house. I was
raised by a very like strong independent Mexican lady who
was like, I don't give a shit to your girl.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
You're gonna go how the lawn. She's like, it.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Wasn't talked about it in her house because we had
six girls in our house.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Owen didn't come till we were like eighteen.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Yeah, And it's like you just had to get just
get the freaking job done.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Get the job done.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
That's that hard on fire in Mexico lineas.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Grandmother, right, start with my ground and it's just like
you just get the job done. Like my dad was
out of town all time working, so it's just you know,
us girls man in the house. So I just didn't
think about it, and I probably should, like I want
to be sensitive to that. And also I just can't.
I cannot allow myself to believe that. I can't. So
(37:19):
I don't think about it, and I just keep on
keeping on and I just think, Nope, it's gonna be me.
It's gonna be me, you know. But also like historically,
we all know the pendulum swings, and like back in
the late nineties, nineties, two thousands, who was on top
(37:42):
of the charts all the girls? And then one person
was like, oh, no, one wants to hear girls anymore.
So then we heard guys for forever.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
You know.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
So I was like whatever, you know, the biggest stars
in country music historically having women.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
So I'm not worried about it about it.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
That's the confidence that we all need. It's good. I Oh,
also big news. You're playing stagecoach, Yes, and you're playing.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
We're playing a lot of festivals, like a ton of festivals.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
I'm I feel like they all came in at once too.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
I came in at once, which is so fun. I'm like, man,
what I was thinking about that? Like, man, what is
that thing that like just makes them. I don't know,
the momentum start up again, because you're right, like I
did just kind of do nothing for I mean, I
wasn't doing any I wasn't doing nothing, but it was
(38:44):
just kind of like I did feel like, Okay, I
had my shot.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
You know I didn't.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
I didn't necessarily mean it like you were doing nothing.
I think it's that like buzz factor that happens. It's
just a weird thing. But it's like the records come out,
and then the people that like are moving the lever
with you, right, like the team is moving in a
like unit, and then like other people that are in
the industry also like then believe in you. It's just
like a I don't know, it's a weird effect, like
(39:10):
a domino effect, but I feel like you're hitting it
in stride and like doing all these festival is gonna
be insane.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah, it's gonna be a good year.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Christopher, all right, that's that's all the time that Abby
and I have.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
I'm very busy. You have to go.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
You need to go get food. All right.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
We'll see you guys next week. Thanks for tuning in.
As always, An We'll touch him
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