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Speaker 1 (00:01):
More fallout from this story that Hunter Biden has basically
been working as a spy for the Chinese Communist government,
had a mole at the FBI who is tipping him
off as an informant of the Chinese government of any
investigations into his Chinese business partners. Now, this obviously should

(00:23):
be wall to wall coverage from the media. It is not.
Why because why would you want to bring this up
if you're the media, right, This just makes the president
look bad. It makes a son look really bad, like
he's an actual spy for China. It was being paid
to do this. This is what spying is. They were
making millions off of this. Just understand that millions of

(00:44):
dollars were coming into the bank accounts of the Biden
crime family, and there was something that China needed in
return for this intel. When you have a spy who
is giving you that tell, okay, then this is what
you get. You get the intel when you're being investigated,

(01:07):
when they're looking at you. It's called a warning. Hey,
they're about to nail you. Get out of America right,
flee the country, run away. Miranda Divine, who wrote the
book Laptop from Hell, when on Tucker Carlson's show. She's
the first one to break this reporting. Here is a
little bit more about this mole and this Chinese financial

(01:29):
arrangement for Hunter Biden to spy on the US government
on behalf of China. Listen, we don't know. Miranda Devine
is on the story as it developed. She joins us
to me, So those are the outlines. An I apologized,
apologize if I've mistated them, but we just kind of
sum the suppisces an amazing story. It seems like, look, Chachery,
it's actually Bizare. I mean, it's another Bizare twist on

(01:53):
an already bizare story about the Biden family and the
cast of characters involved in their influence peddling scheme around
the world. And doctor gal Luft is the latest one.
He is an Israeli energy expert, a professor. He was
arrested in Cypress, as you said, and he's still in
a Cypress jail. He's charged, apparently with gun running and

(02:15):
para violations and various things. And he claims that he
is innocent and that he's only been arrested to shut
him up about what he knows about the Biden family business.
And you know, a lot of his story does check out.
He is regarded in his orbit in Washington, DC, as

(02:37):
you know, he's well regarded. He's a legitimate energy expert,
he's a former high ranking officer in the Israeli Defense Force,
has multiple degrees. And he also talks about this FBI
mole that he claims Hunter Biden used to tip off

(02:58):
his Chinese partners that there was an FBI investigation into them,
And there is some corroboration of that from the reporting
that we've already done from the laptop. We know that
Hunter Biden did have contacts within the FBI. We know
that he used them to benefit at least one of
his Chinese business partners, Patrick Hoe, And when Patrick Hoe

(03:20):
was arrested at JFK by the FBI, Hunter Biden then
contacted his FBI contacts and we don't know what they
did for him, but that sort of accords with this
story that's coming from Gal Laughed, and Gal Laughed worked
for three years in Washington, d C. With Hunter Biden's

(03:41):
Chinese business partners. That checks out too, so he when
he says that those business partners told him about what
the bidens were up to the hundreds of thousands of
dollars that he knew about that was going to Hunter
and his uncle Jim Biden every month, and their contact
with this FBI mole. It does just bolsters I guess

(04:05):
the reporting we've done from the laptop so quickly. This guy,
the Israeli energy expert. As he was being arrested, he
tweeted it and said, they're arresting me to shut me up.
I have the facts about Hunter Biden. He's a smart guy.
Social media is still up if you want to see it.
It confirms he's a very smart person. Has he had

(04:26):
anything else to say from his jail and cypress? Do
we know? Look through his lawyer, which is the only
way I've been able to talk to him. He certainly
has other allegations, but without documents or other evidence to
back it up, you know, it's difficult to report those.
He did get bail from the Cypriot courts a couple

(04:48):
of weeks ago, but that has been vigorously opposed by
US authorities. And I'm told by Gal Luft's lawyer that
the ambassador in Cyprus is putting a lot of pressure
to keep him in jail. They want to extradite him
to the US. On these charges of gun running and
so on, which really baffle that people in Washington who've

(05:09):
known Galla for a long time and they say that's
not really in his nature. Well, he does have the
profile of a gun runner. Might be worth a tip
to Cyprus. O. No, I love how they've accused him
by the way of being like this gun runner. The
guy's like, Nope, no, that's not what I am. But
when you have what he has on the Biden crime family,

(05:30):
and then you can come out, thank goodness and tweeted
out right before you or while you're being arrested and
before they're trying to extradite you to the US, that's
kind of an important moment. Thank goodness, that moment actually
happened where this is what is being said. But this,
if you're this guy, you would think that the entire

(05:52):
media would be covering what you just said. Hey, I'm
being accused of a horrible crime that could take away
my life, put me in jail for a significant amount
of my life for something that I never did, all
because I have information that I tried to expose on
the Biden crime family and now they're accusing me of

(06:14):
being a gun runner, and without him going to Twitter
and be able to say this like, we wouldn't even
know about this, which is also another part of the problem.
He's now in this jail in Cyprus. That's also another
part of the problem. So you put all this together
and you sit here and you go, all right, So

(06:34):
was Hunter Biden working for the Chinese? And let's just
deal with facts, Okay, So let's just back this up
and go through the facts. Are we one hundred percent
for sure that Hunter Biden was making money off of
the Chinese Communist government? Yes? Are we a hundred percent
sure that Hunter Biden was not just making money for

(06:57):
himself but for at least or other Biden family members
the answers, Yes, Are we one hundred percent for sure
that Biden had people in the government that we're helping
him protect his assets in China? Yes? Are we one
hundred percent sure that the FBI and the deep state

(07:19):
tried to silence this story when one of his friends,
former colleagues business partners, Tony Bobolinski, actually sat down with
the FBI and told them about the Big guy and
everything the Biden crime family was doing. Yes, are we
one hundred percent sure that the FBI was clearly compromised,

(07:42):
and that they actually tried to get the investigation into
Hunter Biden, categorized Okay as a misinformation employ so that
they wouldn't have to investigate the Biden family. The answers, yes,
and are we one hundred percent sure now that Hunter
Biden has been protected by our federal government to protect

(08:06):
Joe Biden by the deep state? The answer is yes.
Is there anyone, based on what we know from the
laptop that should be surprised by the fact that Hunter
Biden was in essence hired to be a spy for
the Chinese Communist government and had moles within our deep

(08:28):
state the FBI, that we're giving him heads up so
he could tell his Chinese counterparts that they were under
an investigation by the United States of America or they
were being surveyed. There was surveillance by the Chinese Communist government. No,

(08:49):
this actually makes complete sense to me. I'm not shocked
by it. We should all be outraged by it, but
I'm not shocked by it. This is par for the course.
And why is it that the media is not answering
or asking questions about this. I want to bring in
a friend of mine, a guest who has got a

(09:09):
lot to talk about when it comes to the media
not covering this Hunter Biden story. Specifically Stephen Crockener. He
is the author of a new book called Uncovered, and
it is a phenomenal book that you should get your
hands on. You can buy it wherever you buy your books.
The reason why it is a critique of the failure

(09:31):
specifically of the media. And when I say the failure
of the media, the failure to cover big stories. Perfect
example of this is what we just talked about with
the fact that it looks like basically Hunter Biden was
a spy for the Chinese Communist government and making getting
big payments from the Chinese Communist government, and he had
insiders who were giving him intell from the FBI, and

(09:52):
the media virtually is silent on this outside of Fox
NEWSMAC and Conservative talk radio. Stephen, Welcome to Ben Ferguson show.
It's so nice to have you with us. The timing
of your book couldn't have been better. And the example
is this is a massive news story. You and I
were talking about this during the break. It is huge

(10:14):
that you have a president's son who apparently had leakers
or intel or spies, however you want to describe it
within the FBI, that we're giving him warnings and heads
up so he could warn the Chinese when they were
being spied on by the US government or if there
were investigations open into them. Yeah, it's been I mean, look,

(10:37):
first of all, thank you for having me. I appreciate it.
I think that it is a massive story, and it's
really it's something that is it's glaring in how the
corporate press is not covering it, because, let's be honest,
we now know that the Hunter Biden playbook going forward,
as these drip drip drip, the stories keep coming out
about this, we're seeing more and more with the congressional investigations,

(11:00):
They're getting closer and closer to a truth that I
think is going to really open a lot of eyes.
Hunter Biden is going to be fighting this, you know,
talking about lawsuits, wants to sue the repair shop owner. Now,
I mean it's completely absurd, but I think with really
key about why the corporate press is not covering this
story and is not going to be covering the other
stories that are going to be coming out as much
as they really should if they had you any objectivity

(11:23):
in covering what a juicy story. This is about power
and the coziness between our government officials and our elites
and others in other countries like China and Uka. The
reason is, frankly, as I lay out in the first chapter,
I've uncovered how they covered the laptop originally the Hunter
Biden laptop story. In October of twenty twenty, the New

(11:45):
York Post breaks the story, and I think it was
truly one of the worst coverages that we've seen by
the corporate press, frankly in the entire Trump era, because
it actually signaled what was to come down the road,
because instead of just covering it incorrectly, which clearly they did,
they like you, pretending that it was Russian disinformation. And

(12:07):
when they covered it at all, we then saw the
next step, which was the absolute collusion, the sort of
elite censorship racket between tech platforms, the posiness that they
had with intel agencies like the FBI and other government
agencies like we now know now thanks to the Twitter
files and the corporate media themselves to censor and suppress

(12:28):
this content to make it unprecedented. The link could not
be shared to the New York Post story and there
was not universal outrage in the media on behalf of
their colleagues at the New York Post. Instead, it was
the other direction. They were journalists who dared to share
a link to the New York Post and say, I
wonder what the sourcing on this or as I wonder
if the Biden campaign will respond? They were locked out

(12:48):
of their account, and as I recount through uncovered, they
then apologized for daring to link to this story. It
was an embarrassing moment. And then frankly, Ben, that's exactly
why I think we're not going to get the coverage now,
because if we did, that would mean that the introspection
it would take in how they covered it originally, how
they cover that laptop and the contents of that laptop,
would be too embarrassing for them to look at, because

(13:10):
it was very clear that they were not serving the
purpose of being objective journalists, of having principles. They didn't
do that in a moment, and I think that if
they cover it now, it only exposes what they did
wrong in the first place. You mentioned one aspect of
this story, and I want to get your take on
another part of it, and that is if you went
back ten years, fifteen years. You've been working in media

(13:32):
as long as I have. We both started this industry
very young. There was an obligation, even if you were
a liberal journalist, to cover a story as massive as
the president was Sun his essence was spying on behalf
of the Chinese Party, who was paying him for this,
that would have been covered. Is it fair to say
that journalism as a whole is completely dead? And now

(13:55):
it is one hundred percent propaganda, pick aside, And that's
where we are now, and there's no change in sight.
Because you also look at the Twitter files, and it
was clear that there were journalists that were taking orders
from the Democratic Party, the DNC. They were taking orders
from Hillary Clinton's campaign, They were taking orders on the

(14:18):
Steel dossier, they were taking orders from Fusion GPS, and
they were taking orders to sell a lie to the
American people. And if you really go back to forget
Donald Trump's name, I'm just talking about the actual impeachment.
It was a it was a coup attempt, and the
media was the ones that were selling and leading the
coup attempt. I do think look at Benna. I was

(14:38):
at CNN not too long ago. I know a little
bit before where you were at that one point. But
when I was there from twenty ten to twenty thirteen,
that was not that long ago. And there were valid
criticisms of CNN at the time, for sure, and I
recount some of those stories in Uncovered in chapter six,
where I talked about my own experience there, but buying large,
what I found was that yes, journalists in that news

(15:00):
that I worked with likely leaned left, They likely voted
for Democrats when they voted at all. But there is
still the thought of we need to try to be objective,
we need we are a rare occupation where we need
to suppress our personal feelings on behalf of what our
job description is, which is to give the truth, no
matter where it leads, serve the audience. That was still

(15:21):
the goal. But what we saw in subsequent years, beginning
I think in twenty fourteen, but certainly accelerating during the
Trump era and thanks to Trump, is that the guardrails
completely came off and no longer was it about objectivity
at all. In fact, in the book, I have more
than two dozen interviews, all of them are on the record.
One of them which I was very, very transparent and

(15:42):
very Candid was a former New York Times journalist who
told me that there are people in the newsroom now,
younger people who believe that objectivity is akin to white supremacy.
And when you have people like that, and those people
can exert real power through social media and through pressure
of pains, can get their bosses to take actions one

(16:02):
way or another, those are the kinds of people that
are controlling the news rooms and controlling the direction of journalism.
And so, yeah, I think that no longer there's even
a goal of objectivity in a lot of these cases,
and that's really concerning. Yeah, the fact that there doesn't
even seem to be a goal here of objectivity. Another
example that you talk about, and at one that I

(16:24):
think it's also very glaring here is you go back
to the controversy Steve about and again, grab your book.
It's an incredible book right now that is out. You
can get it wherever you get your books uncovered. This
book also talks about some of the bias and the
fact the other United States Senator Tom Cotton, who wanted

(16:45):
to write an op ed that was not controversial for
the New York Times, and the fallout from that moment
remind people of just how insane that the media. And
I say the media because they're the ones that lost
it in the newsroom at the New York Times went yeah,
I mean, but I spend a lot of time covering
this story in chapter ten of Uncovered, because I think

(17:07):
it was it was a really pivotal moment and explained
so much of where journalism is today. So yes, June
of twenty twenty were imagine this time, we're in the
height of COVID, the especially people in New York and
DC newsrooms, like where so many of our selling media
is based, Like in the New York Times, they are
lockdown in their own apartments. They're spending way too much
time on Twitter and watching cable news and not interacting

(17:29):
with people. And then the Tom Cotton op ed hits,
which is basically an argument. It was titled Sending the Troops.
It was an argument to get the military involved when
there were riots, not in protests, not in peaceful protests,
but in the riots that were happening as offshoots of
these social justice protests. After George Floyd. And first of all,
as I explained Tom Cotton, this was his third time

(17:50):
writing an OpEd for the New York Times. He was
he was a regular writer there, but this one really
took off and it happened. I quote people that were
in those New York Times meetings, the Zoom meetings, that
people were crying. There was a description of a writer
who was crying because he said that his friends wouldn't
talk to him anymore because he worked for the New
York Times, which published this horrible out ed and then

(18:12):
it's spilled out publicly, and a bunch of journalists at
the New York Times and activists got together and tweeted
a phrase that was publishing this column puts the lives
of black New York Times staffers in danger. And it
was that implication that it was dangerous to publish this
column that got action from their bosses. They fired the
opinion editor, James Bennett at the time. There was further

(18:34):
fallout from it. And what it really shows is a
couple of things. First of all, they were able to
see that even at the New York Times, the height
of journalism in theory, they could get these people could
get really get action and get someone fired for no
reason at all. But also it's a fundamental misunderstanding these
people that believe that publishing words is dangerous, They don't

(18:56):
belong in journalists, and then yet they are the norm
now out the exception. And that's we've seen this play
out in story after stories where in years later that
there is this fundamental misunderstanding of what journalism is supposed
to be. And these are the people in a lot
of cases that are controlling these newsrooms. Steve and I
want to ask you about COVID. We forget just how

(19:19):
insane the media went on the issue of COVID. We
know that doctor Fauci was sending emails to silence and
censor different people that he didn't like. We know that
Twitter from the Twitter files was getting emails directly from
our government on things and stories and to take down.
You look at overall the COVID coverage and the manipulation,

(19:41):
it is just completely shocking how the media worked as
a propaganda machine, as a pr machine of doctor Fauci
and others around him who wanted to lock down and
shut down and silence anyone that asks basic questions about
the Wuhan Institute of Ra, about Ghana function research, anybody

(20:03):
that was asking tough questions. They wanted them silence. This
included elected officials. Yeah, you know, but I I spend
a lot of time on COVID in my book because
I actually think that this is a media story as
much as it is about the medical establishment, about the
Faucis of the world, because you know, one of the
people who Fauci specifically censored was doctor j. Bodcaria. I
speak to him on the record in the book about that.

(20:25):
It was not just that Fauci and the medical establishment
censored him, but they worked in concert with places like
the New York Times and other outlets to spin this
narrative that they were quacks, that they were dangerous people,
when really j Ja Bodataria was a Stanford expert medical professor,
and he understood that in his plan, the Great Barrington

(20:45):
Declaration was simply about focused protections. Instead of walking down
the entire country, we need to, you know, target the
senior citizens and candle that in a different way and
not so you know, one size fits all. That was
all he was saying. And he was treated so poorly
by the media because they were being spun by the
Faucies of the world. And I think it's such an

(21:06):
important example because Frankly Bennett, I don't have a lot
of hope for the corporate media getting better anytime soon.
So what I try to do and uncovered is arm
the readers with the tools they need to sniff out
when the press is lying or misleading them. And I
think that the COVID lab link theory, which you mentioned
is one a good example of this, because here you
have a case from the very beginning you have to

(21:26):
at the bare minimum, there was evidence on both sides there.
It could have been the lab leak, it could have
been natural origin. But but what was interesting was one
side was saying the other side was dangerous, that the
Lableak theory was this dangerous piece of disinformation and racist.
And what does that tell us? And I quote Nate
Silver of ABC in the book, who says that when
you have an argument and this applies beyond just the

(21:48):
lableak theory, and there's evidence on both sides, and there's
experts on both sides, but only one side is concerned
with policing the discourse, concerned with shutting the other side up.
That's the side you need to be skeptical, and that's
the side that's usually wrong. And I think we see
this in so many examples in the media, and certainly
did with COVID. When you see Fauci and also the

(22:10):
way that he was working behind the scenes, there had
to be a whole other level of comfort from him
and others that and I would argue they didn't just
learn this during COVID. They had been doing this and
communicating behind the scenes where there's barely any difference between
the media in DC and the elected officials in DC.
This wasn't their first time to basically send these backdoor

(22:34):
messages and what to cover, what to not cover, what
to silence. This was part of their game plan the
entire time, and they've been doing it for years. They have,
and I think one of the great I have to
say benefits of Twitter, because I actually think Twitter is
disastrous for the corporate medium. It's one of the five
big problems and that I lay out and uncovered. But

(22:55):
I think it's good for the public because what it
does is it pulls back the curtain. The veil is
now off now because the media, the corporate press, is
one of the few occupations that streets Twitter like it's
their diary, and yet it's all public. We can all
see it, and for the first time, you can actually
begin to understand how these narratives are built. You see
the sausage and how it's made. You see even there

(23:18):
might be good journalism being done, but then it's undermined
by the people themselves, who then spill their opinions on
all sorts of topics on social media for the world
to see. And I think it's a really valuable service. Look,
two percent of adult Americans send out ninety percent of
the tweets when it comes to news and politics. That is,
it's so unrepresentable. It is just a bubble. But it

(23:41):
is important because it's what the press uses to talk
to each other. And now we can actually see it,
we can actually see all of the propaganda being made
as it's happening. Last day, I want to ask you
about TikTok. We've seen the CEO of TikTok basically admit
that China is spying on everyone that has this app
on the phone. Half of Americans apparently have the TikTok

(24:02):
app on their phone. Democrats are still out defending it, saying, well,
this is no different than Facebook on your phone. That's
actually not true at all. Why do you, I mean,
you look at this even Jimmy Kimmel got this wrong
on his show, and I played this earlier. Jimmy Kimmel
was laughing about TikTok spying on you, and I was

(24:22):
sitting there just scratching my head. I'm like, you don't
get it. They realize that a social media app was
the drug that they needed to get you addicted to,
and the dopamine that you get from watching videos was
what they needed, right, was what and they figured it
out early on. This is a once in a lifetime
opportunity to masquerade a app, social media app for spying purposes,

(24:45):
and it worked. We also know that China has come
out since the hearing saying we will not allow for
TikTok to be sold to an American company. So if
you don't think that Chinese communist government is running TikTok,
you're an idiot. And you look at this, and yet
Democrats are still out there defending TikTok, saying, oh, it's fine,
Oh people are overreacting. Oh it's really not that big

(25:07):
of a deal. Yeah. I think this is a This
is a key example because, as you mentioned, it's not
just Democrats but also a Washington Post tech reporter who
apparently is having lunch with the CEO of TikTok and
then on social media is essentially acting as their publicist,
and yet he's treated like he's an objective reporter. What's
happening here, Well, it really relates to one of the
more nuanced biases that we see in the media that

(25:29):
I write about and uncovered. It's not just ideological, it's
also a response mechanism. A lot of times the people
that are ideologues. And again this is not most of
the country, even people on the left. In most of
the country and Texas where I am and you are,
people are not ideological in that way. So but in
the corporate press they are. And what happens is a

(25:50):
story is being is bubbling up in right wing media.
The story is bubbling up among Republicans and Congress and
is an instant reaction. They just go the other way,
depends them, just goes the other way with it with
an instinctual it's not they don't even think about it,
and they treat the one side as if it's toxic
and contaminated. And I lay this out in so many
examples in the book, and I think this is a

(26:11):
very clear case of that here. If you step back
and you really think about it, why is the left
against this concept that TikTok is spying on us and
that China's in bup and we need to look out
for our kids. This is just genuine, normal conversation and
it makes sense to any rational persons. But as an
instant reaction from the corporate press, from the Democrats in Congress,

(26:32):
this is what we get and it doesn't serve the
audience because of course they want a nuanced discussion about it,
and they are not getting it. Yeah, they're definitely not
getting it. As you said, the book, it's great uncovered.
Get it wherever you get your books. Stephen Cracker, I
appreciate you coming on. Congrats on writing this and it's
a lot of good intel in there. Grab a copy
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