Trump Floats YUGE Tariff Rebate Checks as Government Shutdown Nears an End

• Tariff Revenue and Proposed Rebates

  • President Donald Trump is advocating returning surplus tariff revenue to Americans in the form of $2,000 “tariff rebate checks” or tax credits.
  • The plan targets low- and middle-income U.S. citizens, excluding high-income earners.
  • Trump frames this as a dividend from tariffs, emphasizing that the funds should not be used for government projects but returned to taxpayers.
  • He claims tariffs have generated trillions of dollars in revenue and attracted significant foreign investment (estimated at $18–20 trillion).
  • The proposal also aims to reduce national debt (currently cited as $37–38 trillion).
  • Legal challenges exist, with the tariff policy under review by the Supreme Court.

• Government Shutdown Update

  • Ben also reports on the end of the longest U.S. government shutdown in history (lasting about 40 days).
  • A compromise deal is moving through Congress to reopen the government until January 30, including:
    • Full funding for SNAP benefits through September 2026.
    • Guaranteed back pay for federal workers.
    • Passage of three appropriations bills (Military Construction/Veterans Affairs, Agriculture, Legislative Branch).
  • Air travel disruptions are highlighted due to unpaid air traffic controllers.
  • The shutdown is politically motivated, with criticism directed at Democrats for prolonging it.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, So Donald Trump has come out and is
kind of swinging on an issue of our tariffs. There's
a lot of Americans are like, well, I don't know
if I like these tariffs. The media has been fighting
against own Trump on these tariffs and acting like it's
a disaster and it's costing you a bunch more money.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
YadA, YadA, YadA. Now a lot of it's lies.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
You remember the Democrats said early on with the tariffs
that they were gonna be empty shelves going into Christmas,
that you weren't gonna be able to find Christmas gifts.
You were gonna be finding basic goods and necesses if
you went to think place like Walmart. Like this is
what they actually said at the time. We know that
was a total lie. We know it was total crap,
and it was pathological and they knew it. These are

(00:44):
the same Democrats, by the way, that are holding Americans
hostages with snap benefits and held Americans for the last
forty days with the government shutdown. We're now coming out
of that shutdown. We'll have more about that in a moment.
But Donald Trump and what he is now saying is
tells you two things about this country. Number one, just

(01:07):
how messed up our government is that people can't even
get their head around the idea of the government sending
you a check for two thousand dollars. Now, we send
money to the government if you work every month, right
like you get doctor. You pay your taxes quarterly, annually,
whatever however you do it. My point is, every day
when you go to work, you are paying taxes. It

(01:28):
may be deferred for a few weeks or months, but
you're going to pay every day. The majority of Americans
it worked three to four months a year just to
pay their taxes. So January, February, March into April, that's
just paying your taxes, which is shocking. So now you
fast forward to where we are with tariffs. We've got

(01:50):
a lot of money that's been collected in tariffs, and
the President says, you know what, maybe it's time to
return some of that money to the American people. Here's
the part that blows my mind on this, the fact
that there are so many Americans that just can't believe
the idea. And this is how much of an abusive
relationship we are all in with our federal government. That

(02:12):
Donald Trump saying this seems like it's crazy talk that
the president of the United States. Americans like, look, we
just collected a whole lot of money we weren't planning on,
and we're going to give it back to the American people.
And people are like, wait, wait, wait, huh, well, you
can't have that happen.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
That can't happen. What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (02:26):
And this is, by the way, what government should look like.
They should not be mandating so much money from us.
They should be spending our money wisely, and if there's
any left over, they shouldn't hold it for the next
Port Bret project. They should send it back to the people.
And that's exactly what Donald Trump is advocating for and
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with every call you make. I want you to listen,
and this is I think really important. Okay, I want
you to listen to Donald Trump in his own words
about this describing who will get this money and these
tear freebait checks for the American people, and why by
the way he believes it should be saying it's actually normal,

(04:57):
not abnormal.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Listen carefully.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Without tariffs, we would be this country would be in
such trouble as they were for many years. That's why
we owe thirty eight trillion dollars. And one of the
things we're going to do we're going to issue a
dividend to our middle income people and lower income people
of about two thousand dollars, and we're going to use
the remaining tariffs to lower our debt. We're going to
be lowering our debt, which is a national security thing.

(05:22):
So we were doing a lot of good work and
the numbers were reported so incorrectly. The real numbers are
trillions of dollars have been taken in or gotten in
terms of investment from the tariffs. And so if that
were ever reversed, it would be a disaster. Frankly, it
would be a national security problem for our country. And

(05:42):
nobody thinks it's going to be reversed. I think we
had a very good court case, as you know, it's
before the Supreme Court right now. But if that were
ever reversed, you know, people are saying, oh, it's a
billion dollars. Some people said, oh it's two billion. Well
that obviously we can handle very easily. But this is
trillions of dollars we're talking about terms of the tariff
income and all the investment income that's come into our country.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
You know, we have Well let me just stop there,
and I want to just dissect what the President just said.
Everything that he said was going to happen when the
tariffs has happened. He said we were going to collect collect,
He said it hundreds of billions or trillions of dollars.
It's now in the trillions. That was unexpected money that
is coming in now. Notice he didn't say I'm going
to spend on port raow projects. No, No, He's like,

(06:25):
we should give the money back to the American people.
We should give a two thousand dollars tariff freebate check
to Americans that desperately need it. By the way, he
didn't say he's going to like reward the richest in
this country. And we can have a debate over should
they get their two thousand dollars back too, and in
a moment, but you remember this is all member all
Democrats like, oh, Donald Trump only takes care of the rich.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
It never takes care of the port.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Well, he's sent in two thousand dollars to the poorest Americans,
not the richest Americans. So screw you for that lie.
And it's part of what you should share. By the way,
this is why I do this show, and I hope
that when I give you info like this, you share
the show, share the POW podcast wherever you can on
social media, because this is what the media is not
going to cover from what the President described. And not

(07:07):
only do we get literally a trillion plus dollars and
now it could be into the trillions that he wants
to give a lot of this back to the American people,
but he's also talking about there's another.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Aspect of this, and that is job creation.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
When the President was doing these trade deals, one of
the things that he made clear is that you have
to invest in America. You have to invest in the
United States of America. You have to come here, you
have to do things here. You have to make sure
that we get something back from your country instead of

(07:46):
you just taking advantage of us as a nation. That
is extremely important. And so what we are seeing is
job creation in America. So not only are people literally
getting jobs, but then there's all businesses that are expanding
to service. These jobs are being created, these industries that
are being created by the President of the United States

(08:09):
of America. So this is twofold. It's not just one.
It's twofold. And it's truly, I mean incredible if you
think about it, it's unbelievable that we have a president
that said, A, We're going to do this right and
B we're going to give the money back to the
American be when we have a surplus. When was the

(08:30):
last time a politician did that. I want you to
actually think it's a real question. I want you to
think about. You know, I go back to the last
time we had something that that felt close to this.
It was the government program which ended up being a disaster.
It was cash for clunkers. Do you remember that? And

(08:51):
what happened is is a bunch of people turned in cars. Now,
really we found out what this was actually about was
they wanted to get rid of a bunch of gas
guzzling cars. They were evil, and so they want to
take them off the marketplace. And so that was the
liberals incentive for doing it. Consernatives like, all right, well,
let's do this cash for Conger's thing. We'll get people
a big rebate. It'll be super coomed by. Yeah, everybody's

(09:12):
gonna love it. YadA YadA, YadA. Right, what ended up
happening is it costs you a lot more money. You
may have gotten a rebate, but then you got screwed
when there was no used cars for sales, and it
actually hurt poor people. It was a bad program. It
was a disaster when you look at the data after
the fact. This one has nothing to do with anything
like that. This isn't any type of like voodoo economics.

(09:33):
This is just straight up we took in a bunch
of money and it's the American people's money. It's not
the government's money. It's American people's money. And we want
to give the money back to the American people. Now,
let me also go to the second aspect of what
Trump has said about this tariff success. Not only is
it the money we're gonna get back, but it's the
businesses in the infrastructure that's been built, creating American jobs

(09:55):
in this country.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Listen to Donald Trump in his own words.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
I'm going to back it up about ten seconds here
so you can hear what he said about that.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Take a listen carefully the president coming all.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
The investment income that's come into our country. You know,
we have more than I would say right now, more
than eighteen trillion dollars. The biggest number ever is a
tiny fraction of that for any country, China, the United
States the biggest number of it. If you look at
the past administration Biden, he did less than a trillion
in four years. We're over eighteen trillion. By the time

(10:27):
my first year ends, we're gonna have over twenty trillion
dollars of investment coming into the United States. It's unheard of.
We have AI factories, We're leading China by a lot.
We have cars and you know, car plants coming in
by more than we've ever had built before. All of
that would go away if we lose the tariff case,

(10:48):
so all of it would go away, So they're not
giving the right numbers. There would be an economic disaster,
it would be a national security disaster if we lost
the case in the Supreme Court.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
So the President talking about this going to the Supreme Court,
and you can hear the President there going back to
the core. I want two thousand dollars tear freebate checks
to go to Americans. I want more American jobs to
be created, more industries to be created, more national security
issues that it will be fixed, by the way, by
having many of these industries that we've relied to heavily
on our adversaries, foreign countries for And so the President's like, no, no,

(11:24):
Like this is how we're going.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
To do this.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
So let's just take a little bit of a recap
here so that you understand how all this got started.
Two days ago, are three days ago, November the ninth,
depending on when you're listening to this. Trump put it
out there on True Social This reminds me, by the way,
so much of when the President put out on True
Social note tax on tips and then it became a reality.

(11:48):
And this is where I love the President. He's a
practical guy who clearly believes his job is to help
you succeed, not to hold you back, and so he
says people that are against tariffs are fools. A dividend
of at least two thousand of person, not including high
income people, will be paid to everyone. He framed this
as a result of the large tear revenue his administration

(12:09):
is collecting, which democrats said was going to ruin our economy.
Was going to have empty shelves, no presents for your
kids for Christmas, and everything was going to be skyrocketing
and you couldn't afford anything, and Walmart was going to
be empty and target right, none of it happened.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
They were pathological liars, he said.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Quote we are now the richest, most respected country in
the world, with almost no inflation in a record stock
market price. He says the money would also be used
to pay down the national debt, which is thirty seven
trillion or more.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
That's a problem.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
In a most recent post, he clarified the first payments
would go to low and middle income US citizens, and
then remaining tear for revenue would go to substantial debt reduction.
So again, this isn't something that's going to help the rich. Okay,
but it's going to pay down our debt, and it's
going to and then a lot of rich people are
in favor of that, and it's going to go to
up low and middle income American citizens US citizens. Knows

(13:03):
he didn't say illegal immigrants, which Democrats love to give
money to. Now, the key details of this are obviously
another aspect of what Democrats are losing their mind over, right,
like what's the eligibility?

Speaker 2 (13:15):
All right, let's go to Trump's words.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Trump says quote not including high income people, but he
has not specified what high income means, right, So Democrats say, well,
he might end up doing this. I look, if he
says it, I believe him. I doubt high income people
are gonna get the check. He called it a dividend
from the tariff revenue. His Treasury Secretary Scotts said he
has not discussed the plan with Trump and indicated that

(13:38):
the dividend could simply be tax cuts rather than a
direct check as they figure.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Out the deal.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Well, look, I don't care if it comes in two
thousand dollars check or it comes into two thousand dollars
rebate on my taxes.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
I'm fine either way.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Now, the tariffs from which the revenue would flow under
legal challenge, right because the Democrats are freaking out.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
They're going for the spreeing court on this now.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
And that's why the present's warning, look at the tariffs
are struck down, revenue may be refunded. That would be
incredibly stupid. I don't believe that the Supreme Court is
going to do that. Democrats hate Trump so much that
they actually want to handback trillions of dollars to foreign countries.
Like you want to know whose side they're on, They're
not on your side now. According to the Treasury data

(14:25):
three September twenty twenty five, the US government has collected
about one hundred ninety five billion teriff related customs duties alone.
Analysts estimate that if the payments were two thousand per person,
for say one hundred and fifty million Americans adults earning
under hunter K, that would cost about three hundred billion,
and if children were included, even higher than that.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Now there's no indicasion kids are going to be included
in this.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
We if more tariff money comes in, I don't actually
think the President would be against that, but he's probably
not going to add kids in there right away, because
we're not going to lose money on this deal. He's
going to say, here's what we've collected, let's give it
back to the American people.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
We're not going to go in to more debt to
do this.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Now, if you look at even more conservative math, when
you count for the net revenue right tearf revenue offsetting taxes,
payroll reductions, then you're about one hundred billion. So this
program is clearly putting Americans first and saying we're not
sitting here trying to like.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Give you a little bit back. We want to give
it all to you back.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
And Democrats are like, well, there's a shortfall here, right,
so it's not feasible. Again, I go back to the
president's words. President United States America is saying, I want
to give you the money. I want to give you
the money. And that's why Democrats are so mad over this.
That's why the media is so mad over this. They

(15:44):
don't believe that your money is your money. They believe
that the government is who should get all of your money.
They believe they should be in charge of all of it.
They think that a better stewards of it. This goes
back to what we just saw in New York City.

(16:04):
Mandani believes that everything in your life should be controlled
by the government, that the government should pick every single problem,
fix it, I should say, and that there's as he
described it, there's no problem that is, whether you say,
too small or too big for the government, like that's
what he believes. It's crazy. I mean, for me, it's

(16:27):
truly truly crazy that this is what they believe. And
so this is a grand divide. Do you want to
present the believes that your money is your money, that
your tax dollars are your tax dollars, and that if

(16:47):
the government gets back a lot of money, right, more money, Okay,
if the government gets back more money than they planned on,
then they should give it back to you or should
they keep it for some government program or hijack things
like a That's a very very very real difference in
the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. Now, I think

(17:09):
most Americans are going to love having a two thousand
dollars check show up or a two thousand dollars rebate
show up on their taxes. I think most Americans don't
care how you get the two thousand off as long
as it's two thousand off. Now if they add kids
into here, that would be totally insane, it would be incredible.
But I also think the president understands that we have

(17:31):
to pay down our debt at some point, and that's
a real issue. We've got to pay down our debt.
And so you give this to middle and lower class
individuals in this country, income earners, and then you move
on from there.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
That's what you do.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
You do it, and you move on and look for Democrats,
they hate empowering Americans. They absolutely despise having Americans succeed.
I've said this for a long time. Why is it
that Democrats despise American succeeding because when they do, they

(18:09):
don't have to depend on them, They don't own them
like modern day slaves. When Donald Trump was present the
first time, sixteen to twenty, you're the lowest unemployment rate
in history for African American men and women, Asian Americans
and Latinos in this country. And what did Democrats do?
They couldn't stand it because they would rather have people
living in poverty depending on them for their handouts or

(18:33):
government food stamps and going to the poles saying if
you don't vote for me, you might not get that
free housing check, or that free health care or those
or those groceries. What did Donald Trump want to do?
He said, I want you to succeed. I don't want
you to need the government. I don't want you to
live in poverty. He empowered people, and that's exactly what

(18:54):
he's doing this time as well. Sorry, I want to
move to the government shutdown update for you, so you
know where we are on that as of this moment.
And this is changing quickly, so depending on when you
listen to some of this may have changed.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Okay, number one.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
The members of the House representatives have returned to Washington today,
braving the nation's tangled airports, for a vote that could
bring the longest US government shut down in history to
a close. The Speaker of the House, talking amid the
government shutdown, saying this about where we are and what

(19:30):
is happening.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
Very thankful to see you all this morning. I'm thankful
to welcome you to what appears to be the beginning
of the end of the longest government shutdown in US history.
As shameful as that is, I don't think it's coincidental,
you know how I think. But it's after forty days
of wandering in the wilderness and making the American people
suffer needlessly, some Senate Democrats finally have stepped forward to

(19:56):
end the pain. It appears to us this morning that
our long national nightmare is finally coming to an end,
and we're grateful for that at least some Democrats now
finally appear ready to do what Republicans and President Trump
and millions of hard working American people have been asking
them to do for weeks. As we said from the beginning,

(20:16):
the people's government cannot be held hostage to further anyone's
political agenda. That was never right, and shutting down the
government never produces anything. It never has if you study history,
and so here we are. I want to remind everybody
this morning of another critical point that you've heard me
here repeat over and over over the last several weeks.

(20:38):
It's something that I and Leader John Thune, and President
Trump and every Republican leader have all said repeatedly from
the beginning. We have always been open to finding solutions
to reduce the oppressive costs of health care under the
Unaffordable Care Act. We just made clear that we would
not and should not ever do that. That is negotiate

(21:02):
as hostages. And I've also reminded you here every morning
at this press conference. Throughout the shutdown, Republicans have not
just been talking about reducing costs and fraud and abuse
in so many areas and in healthcare. We've been actually
passing new laws to accomplish that urgent mission for the people,
and we will continue to do so. So here's where

(21:23):
we are by way of schedule, just so you know
you're following if you're not at home, if you're waking
up to this good news this morning that the Senates
vote last late last night of sixty to forty opens
the door. Now the Senate is moving forward on an
amended House cr continuing resolution that will reopen the government
until January thirtieth. Added to that are provisions to fully

(21:47):
fund snap provisions through the end of the next fiscal year,
which is September twenty twenty six, guaranteed back pay for
all federal workers who have been made to endure these
hardships over the last several weeks. And it also includes
passage of three appropriations bills which we're grateful to be
moving through the process. That is the military construction Veterans
Affairs Bill, it's the Agriculture bill and the Legislative Branch bill.

(22:11):
The Senate will be back in session this morning to
finish their job, and we're certainly praying that they do.
They'll need unanimous consent from all Senators to fast track
their final vote. As you know, there's some procedural hurdles
that one or more could throw in the way, but
we certainly hope that they won't do that because so
many people across this country are desperate for the government

(22:32):
to reopen. At the very moment that they do that
final vote, I will call all House members to return
to Washington as quickly as possible. We'll give a thirty
six hour formal and official notice so that we can
vote as soon as possible to pass the amendedcy Our
Bill and get it to the President's desk. As you
all know, and he said as recently as last night,

(22:53):
I was with him and he told the press he said,
we want to get the government open. He's very anxious
to get the government reopened and to end the Schumer shutdown.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
We all are.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
With regard to the travel challenges, I spoke yesterday at
some link with the Transportation Secretary of Sean Duffy, my
former colleague and good friend, and he lamented the serious
situation that we have with air travel in the US.
He's bent over backwards, as all members of the administration
and the Cabinet have done in all of their areas
of jurisdiction, to try to keep the government working for
the people and to mitigate the pain and the harm.

(23:22):
But the problem we have with air travel is that
our air traffic controllers are overworked and unpaid, and many
of them have called in sick. That's a very stressful job,
and even more stressful exponentially when they're having trouble providing
for their families. And so air travel has been grinded
to a halt in many places, and as of Sunday,
nearly half of all domestic flights and US flights were

(23:44):
either canceled or delayed. And it's a very serious situation. So
I'm saying that by way of reminder, I'm stating the
obvious to all my colleagues, Republicans and Democrats in the House.
You need to begin right now, returning to the hill.
We have to do this as quickly as possible. Now
we look forward to the government reopening this week so
Congress can get back, can get back to our a

(24:05):
regular legislative session. We have a lot of business to do,
as you all know, and we will be working in
earnest will be There'll be long days and long nights
here for the foreseeable future, to make up for all
this lost time that was imposed upon us. I want
to I want to close and with something that's important.
I think it's important to say that this is genuine.
I mean this sincerely. We applaud the seven Senate Democrats

(24:28):
and one independent Senator who did the right thing. They
decided to put principle over their their personal politics and
my urgent plea of all my colleagues in the House,
and that means every Democrat in the House is to
to think, carefully, pray, and finally do the right thing
and help us to bring an end to the pain

(24:50):
of the American people. This has gone on too long,
too many people have suffered, and it's long overdue. And
that's the update I wanted to give you this morning.
There are probably lots of questions, but I'm going to
get a lot of my own questions answered later today,
so stay tuned for more. Thanks.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
So there it is, the Speaker of the House, explaining
exactly how this is going to go down and how
quickly we could see things turn back to normal.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
It's going to be a little chilly, but I will
do my duty.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
I'm getting back to DC and we're going to open
this country back up and get it back on track.
That is another aspect of what has been said by
many Republicans are saying, hey, we've got thousands of flights
canceled in recent days.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Do the shutdown.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Some lawmakers opted for the modes of translation to the
Capitol like they're actually driving. One Republican representative, Derek Van Orden,
said he was making the sixteen hour drive from his
Wisconsin district because air travel is just too unreliable.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
And the Republican controlled House.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Is due to vote Wednesday afternoon on a compromise that
would restore funding the government agencies and into shutdown that
start on October one. The Republican controlled Senate approved the
deal Monday night. I'll Speaker Johnson said, expected to be
past his chamber as well, and then President Donald Trump
has come out calling the deal very good. He's expected

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to obviously sign it into law immediately now within days.
The US government could be fully functioning again, bring relief
to federal workers who have missed paychecks and low income
families who defend on food subsidies as well. It could
take several days. And this is the problem so many've
asked me about this. It could take several days for
the nation's air travel system to return to normal. The deal,

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by the way, which has divided Democrats because they love
holding you hostage, had sought to extend healthcare subsidies for
twenty four million Americans past the end of the year
when they were due to expire. Now, this also tells
you just how broken Obamacare is that these types of
subsidies are actually needed.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Yesterday, it was very interesting on CNN.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
One of the things that was said there on CNN
about the subsidies was that they were talking about like
how much they'd actually got on up, like how much
the subseason had skyrocketed. And you just kind of have
to laugh when you see that. Anavar said, quote, American
healthcare premiums are going up one hundred, two hundred, three

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hundred percent. I thought Obamacare fixed that.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
It didn't. It didn't fix it. It's a disaster.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
It's going to be another thing that could easily bankrupt
this country. You want to know why we're in so
much debt right now when you have premiums in Obamacare
going up again. I want to make sure I quote
on a Navarro correctly one hundred two hundred three hundred percent.
Obamacare is an utter disaster. It is a total disaster,

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and everyone knows it. By the way, like this is
not something that's hard to figure out. It is very
easy to understand that this is going to bankrupt us.
So there's going to have to be reform with Obamacare.
There's no way around it. Okay, Like, there's just no

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way around it. We have to have major reform here,
and if we don't, then it will continue to be
a political football and it will continue to be a
political disaster. And Democrats knew this. I go back to
what did Nancy Pelosi say? Her words, not mine. We
won't know what's in the bill until we pass the bill,

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and that is Obamacare summed up perfectly. We won't know
what's in the bill until we pass the bill, and
so when we pass the bill, we'll figure it out later.
It's just a big old government subsidy. That's all it is.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
It's just a government subsidy.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
One other thing I want to say about this government
shut down, I think it also tells you just how
bloated our government is. The majority of Americans' lives have
really not been affected at all by the government shutdown.
I think that's actually pretty incredible that we think our

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government is just so important, and in reality it's really not.
It's just not Our government has gotten way too big,
and our government should be a lot smaller.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Than it actually is.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Right now, all right, don't forget share this show, share
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is we're going to continue to see this move forward