September 18, 2023 • 56 mins
Another icon has joined The Best Podcast Ever, as Raven & Miranda are visited by the multi-talented trailblazer, Rosie O’Donnell (from the Flintstones). The gang talks about Rosie’s near-death experience, which rapper inspired her during a major crisis and what exactly makes the unshakable personality terrified beyond belief. Get caught in the web that is…The Best Podcast Ever!
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Welcome back, Welcome back to the best podcast ever with
Raven and my Ran. Did you guys miss us?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I missed us? I missed us too. I mean we're
pretty missafule. Hey hey, hey, okay, serious question for you.
I want to know what you think about same side seating.
What the fuck is that like when you see a
couple in a restaurant and they're sitting on the same
side as each other.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Oh, unless we have different hands, meaning if you're left handed,
I'm right handed, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Need us to sit across the table. Okay, So the
only time it's acceptable is if you have different hands.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
No, the only other time it's acceptable is when you
got multiple people at the table and you don't want
to smell them and you rather just mall your partner
the whole time.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
But I'm just saying, like a couple, yeap, just the couple.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Just the couple into the table. I need to stay
into you.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
They go to Jerry's same mistelli, ooh, that's closed. I
like it, rip and they sit on the same side
of the booth. Are you weird it out?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
It depends on how they are. That sounds like a
couple that's in their seventies. So no, no, what are
you are you? Are you a same side sitter?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
No, because here's the deal. When you sit same side
and then you want to talk to each other, you're
always having to then look over your right or left
shoulder right, And like you said, I want to be
able just to like look into your eyes. And it's
interesting you say a seventy year old couple, because I'd
put that on thirteen year olds who are crushing on
each other and want to like hold hands while eating.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Wow, they obviously aren't addicted to food like I am. Like,
I'd rather be eating than holding hands.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah, I know. For you, going to a restaurant is
not a joke. No, it is all about the It
is not about the romance that. It is not about
the person you're going with.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
It is about the word romance has been circulating our
ether for too long. I'm over it, has it?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Really?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah? Bad romance?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Okay, So.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
We're pretty much on the same side of the same
side seating conversation, correct, which means it's not happening.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
We're on the opposite side of the table, of the
same side of the table conversation, the opposite side of
the same. Look at that.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I love.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
That's a whole new, a whole new page. Okay, I
have a question back to Jerry's Nimistelli. What was your
order there?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
So I have to ask you a question before I
answer that is this in the daytime or after the club?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Such a good distinction. It would definitely be the daytime
because I never went to the club, so the daytime.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Okay, so daytime I would probably get the chicken soup
with with bagel crisps, without the matsa. I don't do matsa.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Ooh, the matsa ball soup. You would get the chicken
noodle soup.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
With rice, actually chicken and rice soup.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah, I get the chicken and.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Rice soup without the mazza. It took me a while
to get to the mansa, but definitely the pickled tomatoes.
If you guys don't know, there was a deli that
thrived in Los Angeles called Jerry's Famous Deli. They were
in Encino, they were in Hollywood and after COVID, we.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Were right across the street from Cedar SINAI.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Oh so good now, club Jerry's Deli. Meal is different.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I'm sorry, do you know what I know this is
not what you were getting at with the club, but
this is an amazing segue. Do you know what club
as in club Sandwich stands for?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
What does club from club sandwich celery let no celery
lettuce celery. Well, I don't know what else starts with the.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Sea chicken lettuce under bread, shut the front back door. Now,
if that is the acronym for club, why then does
it are over to the club?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
You mean I do not eat a club before I
go to the.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Club, that would know? I mean like, because do you
think the club as in I'm going to the club
also stands for chicken let us under bread, But it
just means different types of things could be could be
because I means like, if you say, hey, I have
my golf club, are you really saying you have my chicken?
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I hate the English language. It is said, we'd like
to learn that I or did you just come up
with that?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Well?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
What does a BLT stand for bacon lettuce?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
And that toole?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Exactly? So that's a club obviously means chicken let us underbread.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I love that obviously obviously.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Obviously well order, So here's the deal on Tuesdays and
Thursdays when I was growing up were my nights with
my dad, so my dad would take my sister and
I out to dinner. Usually we frequented two places on
the regular, actually three, but Jerry's was one of them,
and I would go back and forth between half of
(05:04):
a tuna sandwich or half of a turkey sandwich with
a bowl of Matzowall soup all the time, and then
usually a slice of cheesecake.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Ooh, a cheesecake at Jerry's Deli. Never did the cheesecake,
always did the brownie Sunday.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Jerry's it was. It's a landmark, it is. It is
a famous deli, which is ironic considering how famous the
person coming onto this podcast is.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Genius.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
She may or may not have eaten there.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
She probably ate there. I could definitely see this famous
Purtisan eating there with her Manzi bl soup and bagel chips.
This famous person that we're about to talk to has
grazed my eyes since I was a young kid. She
gave me hope, and she made me laugh, and she
knows how to use a glue gun.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I have to tell you that she was in two
core memory building movie for me. They literally imprinted into
my brain, DNA. I don't even know. And do you
know what they are? Well?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
One of them, I hope I know one of them.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I hope.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I think I know what it is. The other one
I know for sure, I know what it is.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Okay, well, do you want to say which one? Do
you think?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
The sad part is I don't know the names, but
one of them A baseball movie, A League of their Own.
The other one is the Flintstones.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
No big, the second not at all. It was now
and then.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Oh that's right, you always say now now and then
Flintstones is mine.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Flintstones I loved. Also, if you guys didn't know, I'm
going I'll tell you that it's not Flintstones, it's flint.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
F l I Flintstone T and do I say that T?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
But I just learned this the other day and it
was one of those moments where I was like, what
in the actual fuck? And flint yeah, Mendela effect, for sure,
flint Stones, flint because the fire they spark it, flint anyway, whatever,
Now and Then and A League of their Own with
two movies I watched on repeat after going to Jerry's Famoustelli.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
And there you have it if you haven't guessed, we
have the most historic legend in the comedy field, especially
for our community. You guys, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It's not Madonna. Oh, it's it's her bff, Rosie o'donald.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Hello, Rosie, Rosie of Donald International Star, Superstar, The Flintstone.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Flintstone Stone, Thank you, ladies. I've never had a musical
introduction like, have.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
You not served it?
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Well?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
I would like to bring you with me everywhere I go,
so you can just do that as I'm announced into
a room or something.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I love that idea and we can definitely range.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
It would work for me. It would work for me.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I'm surprised you haven't had a musical introduction before.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Well, I don't think with the kind of fervor and
you know, precision that you guys did.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Obviously, Rosie, obviously, because it's the best.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Amazingly, Rosie, what do you think you're most recognized from?
Is it the Flintstones?
Speaker 3 (08:07):
No?
Speaker 4 (08:07):
In fact, that's I only say that because Roseanne Barr
was on Saturday Night Live with Madonna once and they
did a skit where Roseanne was playing me, so she
had a backwards hat and she kept saying hello, it's
me Rosie O'Donnell's star The Flintstones, and I thought it
(08:28):
was very funny, you know, the way she was sort
of doing me, and so it stuck. That was from
like twenty years ago, twenty five years ago, and that's
why I say it. People don't even remember that I
was in the Flintstone But I forget.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
What are you talking about? I will never see my wife.
She goes for the more heart felt Rosie O'Donnell catalog
and I'm like, Flintstones, that's where I stand.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
My wife is in love with now. And then was yes,
like did something to me, Coroberta. I mean like it was.
That movie was magical and then a league of their
own Abby.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Yeah, that's the biggest one. People always say. In fact,
when I had a heart attack, I was rushed to
the er and the woman the nurses were shaving everything,
and this one nurse says to me.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Do you think Dottie dropped that ball on purpose? And
I'm like, I'm going in with heart surgery. Don't ask
me about that road. That is respectful. I'm so bad
at that is her name, Doris. We need to go
talk to him. It was it was not Doris. But
it was very funny.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
And when I she said, listen, I promise you this.
When you wake up, I'm going to be right next
to you holding your hand. And you know what she
was When I woke up in recovery, she was right
there holding my hand.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Well, I don't know. You had a heart attack massive,
I should have died. Yes.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Ten eleven years ago, when I was fifty, I was
home and and I was with a friend who was
ill at doing chemo. And as I came out of
the thing driving her home, I see a woman in
the parking lot with a hair thing on like a
you know, and her hair was thinning, and it was
(10:15):
obvious she was going in to the same place I
had just come from. But half her body was outside
the car and like she was stuck, couldn't get herself up.
She was very heavy, and she somehow had gotten a
walker out of the car. But she caught eyes with me,
made eye contact, and she said Rosie, and I said yes,
(10:36):
and she said.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Will you help me up?
Speaker 4 (10:38):
And so I went over and I helped her up,
and it took a lot longer than I expected, and
I got home and my arms were hurting, and I thought,
that's funny. It must have been from pushing her up.
So I, you know, went about my business. I was
in my little art studio my son, who was only
you know young at the time.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I said to me, Mommy, you look like a ghost.
I don't know what happened to you. I said, you know, Blake, I'm.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
So tired and my arms are hurting, and I google
you know women's heart attack signs that it's like kind
of I have a few of them, but I don't
really sound the alarms yet. And well, the truth of
the matter is I had this heart attack.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
And on Monday at ten in the morning, I went.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
To therapy at two and my therapist. I said to
my therapist do you think that I could be having
a heart attack? And she said, you know, you always
do this, you smaticize your feelings, and you know that.
I was like, oh, I go, well, I'm very tired,
can I go? I drove my little scooter home to
my for my therapists.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Okay, like you know, fifteen.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Minutes I get home, I can hardly walk upstairs. I
take two baby aspirin, I go to sleep, I wake up, and.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
My family goes you have to go to the doctor.
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
So I waited until the next day. So I had
it Monday, and on Wednesday I went to the doctors
who are cardiologist, not the er, because I thought, what
if somebody really needs it there and this can't be
a heart attack, it has to hurt more. And they said,
you sit down, you're having a massive heart attack. You've
(12:16):
already had one. We're taking you to the er. And
I was like, wait, wait, what you know? Like I
couldn't believe. And then I came to find out that
the symptoms for a woman having a heart attack are
very different than the symptoms for men having heart attacks.
Yet what we see on TV are always men having
heart attacks.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Even though more women die.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Of heart attacks every year than men. So it's just
the patriarchal view of medicine and how we're all kind of,
you know, subject to its whims and its misogyny. And
so I ended up doing an HBO special about the
signs of a woman's heart attack, just so that women
(12:59):
could know.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
That's amazing and absolutely necessary. I was wondering, did your
relationship to your body change after having such a big
heart attack?
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Yes, I had one hundred percent blockage of my LAD,
and your LAD is something like the left ulterior descending.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
That's not exactly right, but something like that. And that's
the one they called the widow maker. Yeah. So when
you have had a heart.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Attack, they look at your other arteries first, because chances
are if you're blocked in the LAD, you're dead anyway. Yeah,
so they go in and they look at the other ones,
and then they go in my LAD and they go, oh,
my god. And they put in a stent and opened
it up. So I was really really lucky. And I
would say that it brought me into my body in
(13:48):
a way that I hadn't really been since I was
a very young girl. It made me aware of feelings
and I can like kind of dissociate and do the
world for my head up, you know, and just try
to use right, use my intellect and not really pay
much attention to my body.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
But this forced me to pay attention.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
And the doctor said to me, you know, when you
survive a year or two without another heart attack, you'll
know that you made it through the toughest parts. But
until then, remember it won't be subtle. Wow, it won't
be subtle. So you know, I was waiting and worrying,
and you know, then I went on to Bill Clinton
(14:30):
like eat twigs only diet.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Remember when he went on that. Yeah, I did that.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
For about, you know, three months, and then I'm like, okay,
life is too short.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I have to find some other way to handle this.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
But yes, it forced me into my body and to
be in touch with my body in a way that
I never had been.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Wow. Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Do you find yourself like steering away from stressful events
just as a safety maneuver or do you just lose?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Well?
Speaker 4 (14:59):
I try, but you know, I have five kids and
one of them is in crisis, and the stress level
is always very high, and.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
You know, I.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Try to distance myself sometimes.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I try to be protective.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Of you know, I can't do it anymore, you know,
but it's hard, especially when it's a child, you know,
and even though they're old enough to you know, not
be in your care anymore, that's your child.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
And heart strings, no pun intended.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
All puns exactly exactly, and you got to protect those
you know, you got to protect.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
And I'm very heart forward person. You know, it's all about.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
It's all about doing, loving and connecting to people.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
I feel like you're.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Really good at that, Rosie, I feel like you're really
open and you're really honest, and you I see that
from you a lot on TikTok. I was just going
to bring that up your TikTok and you're you're you're honest,
and what I mean by that is like you're down
to say, hey, fuck you, this doesn't work for me,
but you're also like, here's a day in my life
or here. Oh my god, Rosie. You know what tripped
(16:11):
me up the fact that you went to Joni Mitchell.
I literally, I mean, my god, I can't what was
that like? Had you seen her before?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
So Joni uh Jonie to me? Is it? And my
brother Eddie turned me on to her when I was ten,
you know, and I always struggle to understand the lyrics.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
And really they sat with me as very heavy and
very into where what I was feeling at the time
because my mom had just died.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
And there were so many emotions that were.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Unspoken, and every song of hers resonated, Oh yeah, that she.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Was to me. Just so. She came on My.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Talks a couple times, which was amazing. She did both
sides now with a full orchestra on My show. That
was the last song we played on my show as well,
and I adore her, so when she did the Newport
Jazz Festival, I was shocked because I thought, how did
I not hear? Because she knows and all her people
(17:19):
know if she's performing, I'm going, so please tell me
right I was watching it on YouTube, going how.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Did this happen?
Speaker 4 (17:28):
So when they announced that she was going to the
Gorge in Seattle, I called up right away and said, please,
I need four and I called my brother who had
had heart failure four years ago, nearly died and he
has an l VAD pump machine inside his body that's
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keeping him alive. There's a horrible history of heart issues
in my father's side of the family, and so it
was the first time really I had seen him since
he's been in recovery from this.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
And what we didn't realize is the Gorge is a.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Huge way to walk down and you know, yeah, it
was difficult for him, I have to say, And he
did tell me after had he known it was that,
you know, much of a challenge. She's not sure that
he would have ventured out there, but we did it,
and we got down there and we went backstage and
saw her and you.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Know, eighty years old, she had an aneurysm, and she.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Was able to reteach herself to talk, to play the piano,
to play the guitar, to walk.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
She had to redo everything in her life, and she did.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
And it was absolutely the most beautiful night that I
can remember. Annie Lennox sang Ladies of the Canyon.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Wow, She's truly very amazing. If you ever again, I'm
coming with you, yes, because that once in a lifetime.
And when I saw that, Yes, I saw Sarah McLaughlin
and Brandy Carlyle, and I was like, why are Raven
and I not there with Rosie? I was so jealous.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Listen, anytime that anyone is a Jony lover like me,
I want to go with them.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I want someone else in myro crying like I am
at the time. That would be me.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
You know, you have named so many people. You know,
we got to chill with you personally, but you have
named so many people that you have come across in
your life. You know, you're friends with Madonna, you know
Joni Mitchell, you know Miranda Pierman, may Days, you know
Tom Cruise.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
You know Tom Cruise.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Is there anyone that you haven't met that you want
to meet, Yes, Eminem, why or is it just because
he's like?
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Is he and Joni Mitchell coincidentally are the two people
who have written most accurately about fame.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
And when I left my show.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
And felt the need to I'm out of that very
high flying airplane and come back down to earth, it
was Eminem's lyrics that helped get me through. And I
you know, and he has some rose o'donnald lyrics and
his music.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
He says, you know, we'll.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Go to McDonald's, get some go to Rosy o'donald's, get
some McDonalds, sit on her lap and watch the sopranos.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Right, he has sung.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Things with me and his lyric and you know, I've
just always admired him. I admire his story. I admire
where he has come from. I admire how he's raised
his children. They all were like, you know, valedictorians of
their class, and and I just think he's done a
tremendous amount where.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
From where he came from to where he is. And
I admire him very much. I would love to know.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I can't tell you more that you're over here a
hip hop hit and I didn't even know it like
she's over here.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I just want to know what lyric it was that
brought you back after your talk show, because I feel
like it would be like snap back to reality.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
There goes gravity, there goes gravity.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Floats, there's no water, there's no Father's Yes, Rosy.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Donald rapping on our This is why this is the
best podcast ever.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
If you if you fuckers didn't know why, that was.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Why this episode two, when we know.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I want to say something. It has nothing to do
what we were talking about, except it does kind of.
Back in the day, I used to watch a show
and it was the Rosie o' donald talk show.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I used to watch the show me too. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I was so in love with the fact that you
had a relationship with your glue gun like no other
woman I've ever met, exactly, and it made me feel
comfortable enough to I'm like making. It made me feel
comfortable enough to say, you know what, I'm a craft
or two and I just want to, you know, change
positions a little bit. Do you still craft? Because I paint?
(21:59):
Your daughter is a painter. Do you still have that
while you listen to you know eminem.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Yes, I haven't set up a studio here yet since
we've moved here and we're in rented houses.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
So in our house, we would choose one room.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Even if it's the living room, and that would become
the craft room, and we would put a big table
in the middle, and we would allow everyone to paint
on the walls to do it, and when it got
totally covered, I would photograph it all and then paint
it all white and do it again. And to me,
you know, with four little kids, it was a glorious
way to raise them.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
That with the freedom.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
You know, there's nothing like seeing a two year old
rip open a canvas that's like four feet tall and
not have any fear of it. I always painted and
crafted like you, Raven, but I never considered myself like
an artist in that way because I wasn't trained and
I didn't have any.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Specific skill set.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
But but after nine to eleven, I went out and
I bought every canvas they had a by Ac Moore,
because I thought life could be over at a minute,
life changes on a dime. I'm not waiting for permission
for someone to say you can try canvases.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
So it really wasn't until nine to eleven and that
I couldn't throw out any.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Of the newspapers of the images that I started gluing
them with modpodge on canvases and then painting over them.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Yes, mixed media.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yes, it was mixed media.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
And so then there was an event and some woman said,
I want to buy this.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Could you send it to this as my framer?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
And I said sure, it was a charity thing, and
so I took it to her framer and he said,
people came in didn't know it was me and said, oh,
there are there more of those, and so he said,
can you, you know, give me more, and so I
sent this guy some more and that's how it all started.
And then the person and the guy was like, listen,
(24:01):
you know you can't really take a photograph and then
paint over it and sell it, you because the copyright
on the photograph or the you know whatever. So I said, well,
I didn't do these to sell them. I did it
for myself. This is about how I was dealing with
the whole nine to eleven thing. And he's actually he said,
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try try painting with no images.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
And so then for a full year I just painted.
I did portraits. I'm so mad at you.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
You did not show me any of those while we
came to visit you.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
I know, because if they're all in New York, New York, Yes,
because you know, we came here.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Now this is the third year in this new school
for Dakota.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
We came here and I didn't know if we were
going to be staying. I didn't know whether the school
was going to take off. I didn't know whether the
series I was on, which has since been canceled, would
be continued.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
You know. Now we're possibly at.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
A writer's strike and out of writers, but maybe at
an actor's strike as well. Yes, exactly, and you know
it's going to be a while, I think before we
get this show business machine working again in a hopefully
fair and equitable way.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
We can only hope it is a wild and unpredictable time,
which leads me into a wild and unpredictable moment, Rosie,
that we like to have on our podcast, to the
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best podcast ever. We're going to spin a wheel.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
The wheel.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I love that the wheel is going to generate a
random word. We have no idea what this word is,
but once we do, we're all going to talk about it. Rosie,
Rosie O'Donnell, star of the Flintstones, are you ready to
spin the wheel.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
I am ready to spend the wheel.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Spinning, spinning, spinning.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
And the word is spiders.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Oh my god, spiders. I will tell you this and
this only. I do not like them. I will gladly
step on them if I can have a very large
size shoe. I don't feel the need like my daughter does,
to pick them up and carry them outside to their
happy life outside.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
And I canceled my trip to a Safari with fran
Dresser because I saw the photos of the size of
the spiders where she was, and I said, I can
never sleep in that hotel or that room knowing that
right outside there's the spider that side.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
I don't blame you, Rosie.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I hate those fucking things.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
So you couldn't go to Australia really either, because I
feel like Australia is like filled with spiders, and that's
it's filled with spiders.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
But you know a five star place is not gonna
have spiders. Just don't leave the hotel.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yo.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I feel the same way. I will cry and scream
like a little when there's a spider.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
So would you consider yourself an arachnephobiac, Rosie.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Well, I'm definitely and a rakna hate your guts, you know,
kind of, but I don't know how phobic.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I don't like go into a panic attack.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
But you know, my my kids will always call me
and when they're kids that there's a bug in the room,
and I'm.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Like, this is the worst part of being a lesbian.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
There's no guy to get to do the spiders, you know,
like I.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
You took, You took my whole entire life and summed
it up in one sentence. I am the more male
version in the relationship. I till until there's.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
A spider a bug.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Those are the only things. Everything else I can handle.
I can like this, this is the deal.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
With my wife, she's like, hey, how you doing, Like, oh.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
How are you? She sees a spider, She's like, oh
my god, how my screaming? And I'm like, whoa. First
of all, didn't even know you could hit that note.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Second of all, she screwy, Like, but here's the unbelievable.
When I was younger, I used to watch a lot
of National Geographic and I can't even watch spiders on television.
Learning about a brown recluse scared the shit out of me.
To where any spider will kill me and eat my flesh.
Black Widow. I actually played one on the Mask Singer,
and I scared myself, although I did feel kind of
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empower because nobody wanted to be around me.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
Spiders are so scary and they're gross, and they love
to do up close and personal pictures of their little
tentacles underneath their mouths.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Yeah, I don't like those up close spider pictures have
ruined many a sleepless night for me.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Either of you seen the TikTok account. Oh, it's a woman.
She's millions of viewers or followers, but it's all about
her and her spider. She has pet spiders. Why would
I don't know if either of you would just have
maybe come across it.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
No, and I did see just last night a woman
in New York who had a pet rat on her
shoulders walking around and everybody was touching the pet rat,
and I thought, Thank the Lord, I never had to
run into this person. I don't know what I would do.
She found it looked like it looked like she might
have picked it up from the street.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
It didn't look like a pet store rat to me, you.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Know, Yeah, I was gonna say, did you see a
lot of rats in New York.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Yes, you see them all the time in the subway.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
If you ever go to the subway, you see them
like common as can be.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
So I hate spiders.
Speaker 6 (29:36):
This is not a joke.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
This is not a lie. However, there is a really
cool interesting fact in some government instances, they use the
molecules or the molecule structure of a spider web to
actually build bulletproof vests or materials because it's one of
the strongest materials.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
So you're confusing that fact with a movie called Spider Man.
That's called incorrect. So we're just gonna glaze right over that.
Raven is like, so there's this there's this one spider
that bites some and then the webs come and he's
a superhero.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Check that produce it.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Check it over here, over here, giving you the plot.
It's a real vider Man.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
My wife is kind of like your daughter in a
sense that she's like, don't kill the bug.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
We gotta say that he deserves a life.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
I'm like, no, no, no, no no. When I come back
from the dead, I'm not choosing something that's ugly and
obviously gonna eat the flesh off of a human.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
That's actually false. I don't try and save them. The
difference between Raven and I is Raven screams, and then
Raven screams and then sprays it with water, and then
it just gets pissed off.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Actually, I spray with anything. I'll spray it with raid,
I'll spray it with for breeze, I'll spray with anything
I find.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
So then what she does is she's just kind of
stunned the creature and then it's just and made a
mess for me to clean up. So I'm like, okay,
go scream over there in the corner and I'm gonna
kill it. Just let me kill it my way, which
is with a paper towel, and it's done and gone.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
What other animals are you scared of, Rosie?
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Well, you know, a snake I don't enjoy. When my
kids each turned eight, they get to pick an animal,
and Blakey picked a snake, and we got the snake,
and we got the little baby mice that you had
to feed it, and we put the baby mice in
the just what they told us to do. And we
wake up the next morning the snake, snake has died.
It's jaw dislocated trying to eat the freaking mouse. And
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that was the like Blake woke up and he's like,
it's dead.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I'm like, oh my god, Well do you flesh that?
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Do you flush that down the toilet? Like do you
flush the snake?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
No, you had to bear.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I think we had a burial in a shoe box.
I think we had a burial.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
The whole thing just scathed me out, to know. And
then he got a bearded dragon.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
I never went near that thing, either a lizard Rosie.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
On your talk show, did you ever host or did
you ever have an animal person come on?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Yeah? Oh yes, And I was very scared of most
of them.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
What anial are you most fearful of? You said, snake and.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
That you brought on to your show?
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Yeah? Well I one time, and this is embarrassing.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
There was a kid there who was a Make a
Wish kid who like had done the opening.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
And I'm standing on the stage and this hawk or
eagle starts.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Flying and I run and I like hunker down over
the It looks like I'm using her as a bullet shield,
you know, And the freaking thing came and landed on
my shoulder, and I thought I'm never gonna lift this down,
you know, throwing the child in front of me to
save me from the eagle.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Did that make a headline? Rosie O'Donnell uses save a
wish stoll.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
But believe me, if I was on today, it would
because the things that we got away with being human
and not getting canceled. You know, it's just a different time.
I mean, it's a completely different time.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
That's so true, being human and not being canceled. There
is this like line of just being a human being,
but now cancel cold. Are so ready to jump at people,
you can't be. There's no room for human error anymore
at all.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
And especially because a lot of the people that we're
seeing like this Miranda sings, you know that girl from
the Internet.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Are you familiar with that story?
Speaker 5 (33:19):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
And Colleen is her name.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
And yeah, Colleen Ballinger writes something like that. And she
was actually on the View Raven while I a guest,
while I was there, and you know, she kind of
rose from the internet. And it's not the same as
it was when someone got famous when I was young,
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you know, where you had the years. It wasn't no
overnight success story or and so people maybe don't have
the best experience to understand. As you slowly kind of
gain more popularity and variety.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
You figure out how to incorporate that into your life
and the world.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
But there's a difference, though, Rosie, right, because, like you
just said, back in the day, you slowly rose to fame.
Nowadays people don't slowly rise. There's no school to teach
you how to be famous, because ultimately, when you slowly rise,
you can make those mistakes, you can say those things,
and they're not following you around like a tweet does now.
And I feel like with people that are trying to
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be famous or are famous in the social media world
that then try to switch over, they never truly got
an education on what it is to be famous. Because
we have certain types of famous people. You have those
people who are nice and that know, like, okay, everyone
is important in this production, including the janitor, including the
light and guy, including the grips, And then you have
some famous people like I'm the end all be all,
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and of course that lives in every generation. But there
is something different when you rise to fame too fast,
because back in the day when that happened, you'd fall
just as fast and you're a one hit.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
Wonder and there's something missing.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I totally feel you. I'm not the same age as you,
but I feel like we you know, we're in the
same circles, even though I was younger and you know,
living in that world or a baby.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
You were a baby, and I don't you know, when
you think of all of the child stars and how
few of them come out unscathed, it's shocking that anyone
would allow their child now to do that, you know.
I mean, I think that it's so treacherous a lifestyle
for a fairly healthy minded mental.
Speaker 7 (35:31):
Adult most definitely, never mind a baby who's only and
you were a baby, honey, who was only trying to
figure out and learn their life around them, And you know,
it screws everything up.
Speaker 6 (35:44):
It totally does.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
We were talking about that today, just another private conversation,
but ultimately I was like, that's so much trauma that
we're trying to unpack in this one topic that I
don't think I'll ever get there as fast as I can,
as fast as I want to.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
But I don't know if it's as traumat as the
responses that both of you have to spiders. So I
have a question if somebody came to you and said,
I have a nineteen ninety four Alfa Romeo Spider, which
is a car. Would you take it?
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I would, and I would change the spider symbol on
it to like a raven symbol. Let me tell about spider.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Those pas a Corteous. Would you take it? ROSI would
you drive a spider?
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Yes? I would. I'm not like afraid of the word,
I'm afraid of the hairy bug.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
The hairy bug.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
I just don't under like. And then everybody's like, daddy
long legs, They're so important.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
No, they're not.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
They're not important. And you know what else do you guys?
There was a story back in the day. I don't remember.
I know I was living in Atlanta at the time.
It had to be in the late nineties early two thousands,
and I don't know if it was a true story
or a urban legend, but the legend that when a
spider bites you and lays its eggs underneath your skin,
and then this little girl woke up and there were
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spiders crawling all over her body because the eggs hatched.
That's scared yeah forever.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
I hope that's not true, because I know I've seen
that show Things inside of Me.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Have you seen that show where they do.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
The buttflies and they take out all of the crazy
crawley bugs inside of people.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
I'm gonna send you the link.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
You'll raven, You'll be like, you can watch a few
episodes and then it's too much scuse if that was
inside of me.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
I don't know what when you see people who have
to go to the doctor because they have ear pain
and then they pull out a cockerroach or a spider.
I mean it's terrifying. And the and the statistics around
how many bugs we consume, not even knowing, Like we're
fast asleep and we have our mouths open and like
a bug crawls, and it's it's absolutely terrible.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
And then you have Thailand and they're like, oh, look,
tarantula juice. That's protein. Ever, let me put it in
some panco.
Speaker 6 (37:43):
Crumbs and fry it.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Like I watched this YouTube guy. We watched this YouTuber
guy Rosie, who travels all over the world and he
goes and eats and you know, random places and markets
and he eats all of these bugs all the time.
It's it's truly a vegetarian.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Yeah, And on the show Survivor. I kind of stopped
watching it when they were eating bugs. But the thing
that really got me was they took an ox and
they cut its vein and they got blood into a
jar and then made the people drink the blood up.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Like I'm out. I can't, That's what It's so insane.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Okay, So real talk for a second. What is your
true biggest fear?
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Dying and leaving my kids unprepared? You know, Like now
that I have this little ten year old who has autism,
I really am focused on staying healthy and keeping myself
alive and available for her as long as I can,
so she has the best platform from which.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
To fly, you know.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
And I just worry, you know, my other kids, I
didn't feel were as vulnerable as she, you know.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
And and.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
So that is that's my biggest fear. Like I don't
I don't love to fly, but if I'm with my children,
I feel okay. Now my other kids are twenty and above,
so I kind of feel like they're set, like you know,
but that I've got another decade of hard mothering to
come and then you know, onward, hopefully into my eighties.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
You know.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
But that's my biggest thing as I worry about her,
and I worry about what would happen if I were gone.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Have you found support or a community of other parents
who have autistic children, because I think that it's really important,
right And you briefly kind of mentioned to Raven and
I that you have another child with autism but didn't
know it or would have had them tested and didn't
know at the time.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Yeah, I think that they were very hesitant to give
girls diagnoses way.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Back when, and that you know.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Perhaps my daughter who struggles so much, you know, and
had very hard beginnings and it was not dealt a
great hand. But I do worry what if she had
gotten that diagnosis.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
And maybe we had been able to You know, when
you have a.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
Juggle a child, sorry, who's struggling, you constantly replay every
moment of what could I have done differently?
Speaker 3 (40:23):
You know, and.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
Sometimes it's an endless, meaningless, you know, self flagellation because frankly,
you can do as to yourself all day. You know,
you could go I should have done that, I should
have done this. I but you don't get do overs
and parenting.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
You know, Well, there's an age that we're at right now.
And please tell me, I'm not a parent. I don't
know the actual struggle that you're going through, but I
do hear you. There's so much emphasis on mental health
and creating an environment for people with autism and on
the spectrum of all kinds. Do you feel like our
society is actually better than it was when your other
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child was out there? Being that there's so many resources.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
Yes, there's so many resources. There's so much more information,
there's so much more research. There's a lot of advocacy online.
I found other parents of autistic children online, and you know,
also have found a wonderful group of women who have
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daughters who are struggling and you know, and I found
that group very helpful online. Although one of the daughters
lost her struggle with addiction a month ago. Oh my,
and so this group of five of us is you know,
it was a big shock because we all found each
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other just on TikTok.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
You know.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
And that's one thing that I think of TikTok is
really wonderful for and I'm hoping that they don't ban
It is connecting people with niche kind of issues that
most people don't understand. And you know, I look at
some of the struggles that these families with an autistic
child have, and I realize that up till now, how
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lucky I've been with you know, my daughter's type of autism.
You know, there's every time you meet one person with autism,
you've met one person with autism, they're different. Every single
one is different, and so it makes it hard for
you know.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
A culture to understand and accept or for police.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
That's the scariest thing to me is when you know
they're telling an autistic person who maybe does not understand
in the way that they would want them to to
get on the ground or put your hands up, and
all they that happens is a neurological panic attack that
you know sometimes ends in their death, and that's terrifying.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Well, you know, that's one of the things that I
actually really just appreciate about your honesty, Rosie, and what
I've seen you share on TikTok goes back to this,
because you have shared Dakota and you've shared that she's autistic,
and you shared some of your experiences as a parent
to an autistic child, which in turn helps other people learn,
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helps other people go, oh, okay, wait, my child may
have this and finding community and resource is so important,
and you've done that. I think throughout your career. You
were one of the first people I remember hearing talk
about mental health and the struggles around mental health, and
I just really wanted to take a moment to say
thank you, honestly for being vocal and for being willing
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to speak the docs. Yeah, to voice the difficult and
take the backlash that some of that has I'm sure
come towards you as a result.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
But you know, I always feel like if a woman
has a microphone in America, it's her job to use
it preach ya. And so I never wanted to hide
any of my imperfections. I never wanted to act like
I had it all figured out. I like everyone else
is just growing and learning and trying to be their best,
you know, like everyone else is trying to do.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
And it's Uh, it's.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
For me healthier to be honest and upfront about what's
going on in my world, for me and my own
mental stuff, than it is to have secrets. My childhood
was full of secrets that you couldn't tell. In my adulthood,
there aren't many I had same things.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Literally, secrets keep you sick.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
I had the same thing growing up. A lot of
different secrets, so many secrets and just ingrained to where
even now my wife and I talk and she's like,
you deal with all of your stuff so quietly, like
she's so vocal with her emotions and so outward, and
I'm just like, you didn't need to know that. You
didn't need to know that. And I'm thinking that maybe
that's because I was taught to keep that inside. Nobody cares, like,
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we have to get stuff done. Don't tell anybody what's
going on, because if you do, you're disrespecting the family.
Like things like that. Nothing crazy, don't try to dive
into it, listeners, But it's just on an overall with
the old school way of thinking. The family is the hub.
Don't let anybody inside of it, otherwise we're going to
judge you and break you up. And you know, all
this kind of stuff. And you know, again, we talked
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a little bit about your childhood and history.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
As a child, we had a sentence that my father
would always say, which is, don't air your dirty laundry
in public.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
That's what it is.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
That was, And I remember as a kid, kids don't
get metaphors, you know, My mom once said to me,
you lie.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
Like a rug, and I remember thinking rugs can't talk.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
I was like eight. You know, I didn't get it.
You know, so kids aren't that good with metaphors. And
you know when my father said don't air your dirty
laundry out in public, you know, it had a profound
kind of effect, and that was the overall message that
you keep everything in the house in the house.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
And nobody says that to kids now. Now it's like,
as soon as I have a problem, the entire world
is going to know about it and don't judge me
for it because it's triggering or it's a part of
my mental health. And same with me, it's like, don't
air your dirty laundry. I'm like, why do I even
have dirty laundry? In these space?
Speaker 2 (46:12):
People now use their dirty laundry for clout, They use
it for clicks, they use it for attention. Yeah, it's
become a completely different relationship to dirty laundry.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
It truly is a lot of the times, you know,
especially with child stars, you hear so many bad stories
and a lot of people try to get me to
tell the bad parts all the time, and I'm like,
I don't need to air my dirty laundry. I'll do
a couple of things here and there when it's about
mental health, but everything else, like, that's my business, and
that's between me, my wife and my therapist, like unnecessary.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
And that's your decision.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
And you know, I mean, I know when I came
out about my depression, which was really severe and you know,
quite troubling until I got on meds after April ninety nine,
after Columbine, thank god I did. But you know, my
brother did not like that I put on the cover
of my magazine my face with depression, right, And he's like,
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do you think that when you tell these stories about
our childhold you that I'm not affected by this? And
do you think, Well, we happened to be going to
a Miami Soul game that day. We were in Florida,
and from the time we walked in until we got
to our seats, like four different people came up to
me crying, saying thank you for that article. And I
just kept looking at my brother and we sat down.
(47:28):
He goes, all right, I get the point. I'm like, okay,
so I'm in a different position ed and I'm.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
Trying to put light on things that need light.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
That's the same thing that happened to me with coming
out as gay, like my parent, my mom, don't tell anybody,
don't tell anybody. This is for You're gonna kill your grandma.
Speaker 6 (47:47):
This is blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
And as soon as I did, I feel like my
career got better, Like more people were there, I finally understand.
You know, well said a similar story. How A Mandel.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
I was gonna say, Howie Mendel is a very similar story.
And I think what I'm hearing in all of this
is that you have to be if you show up authentically,
if you show up with your as your true self,
good things will come to you. And it's really it
kind of reminds me of this really special and profound song.
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I know. It goes the itsy bitsy spider when up
the water spout, Down came the rain and wash the
spider out. Up came the sun and tried all the
rain and the itsy bitsy spider. You know what it did,
you guys, It went up the fucking spout again. And see,
you just got to keep on fucking going. And metaphor,
there you go, a metaphor. And on that note, you guys,
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want to play a game.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
Sure, let's do it and are gaming. We're gaming.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
You guys are super gamy. Okay, So here we go,
and you do get to win something. If you go,
you win the game, you get a prize, is what
I'm Rosie. Okay, So Rosie, here we go. We're going
to play a game. Let's do this. We all know
what a rachnophobia is. It's the fear of spiders. But
not all phobias are as well known. We're going to
(49:13):
now read you a few others and you have to
pick from multiple choice options as to what these fears mean.
If if you are able to get two out of
the five correct, you will win something from my wife's
horder's closet. That's what I call it. It's a horder's closet.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
It's a collection. And actually understand, you're very understand.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
You're very lucky, Rosie, because this week it's a new item.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
I recently appeared on the TV program Pictionary, which we
have to do together, and they gave me a little
gift basket and inside it was Pictionary. Rosie. We know
you're a big game night officiado, so we would like
to send you this mostly because my wife does not
want me to keep another game board in the house.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
Okay, thank you. I will try to win when I.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
Think that Dakota might like it.
Speaker 4 (50:01):
I mean it's it's fun.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
Okay, here we go. First, phobia cool raophobia. It's spelled
c O U l R O P h O B
I A. This is gonna help with your jeopardy.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
It is is this fear of chlory?
Speaker 1 (50:22):
Nice one? Here are your choices. Is it the fear
of vegetables, the fear of crowded theaters, or the fear
of clowns?
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Cool of roophobia?
Speaker 3 (50:34):
I'm gonna take clowns.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
She's gonna take clowns.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Yeah, have you got that right?
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Rosie?
Speaker 3 (50:39):
There you go. I want that.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
Hell yeah, good job. Way to go. Okay. The next
one is hemophobia.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
Is it the fear of blood, the fear of high
top sneakers, or the fear of feathers?
Speaker 3 (50:53):
It would be number one, the fear of blood.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
That is correct, Rosie is too smart for this game.
You've now officially won this.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
Prize. Do I get to win another prize for answering
the red?
Speaker 6 (51:05):
Well?
Speaker 2 (51:06):
Yes, let's get more stuff out of here. At Jenson,
get another game let's keep playing another prize, Let's keep
playing what's.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
The what so good?
Speaker 2 (51:15):
I want to play with her all the time, literally jeopardy.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
Okay, this phobia is called pog pogo no phobia, pogo
no phobia. Is it the.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
Fear of grapefruits, the fear of beards, or the fear
of tall trees?
Speaker 3 (51:34):
Tall trees?
Speaker 1 (51:36):
The answer is.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Fear of beards.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
Beards?
Speaker 4 (51:42):
Well, see, what would I know being a lesbian, I
don't even pray attention to be phobia.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
You would only need a beard, not have a beard.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
There you go, Okay, yeah, exactly all right.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
Our next phobia is teraphobia.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
Is it the fear of cheese, the fear of game parks,
or the fear of hairy fingers? I fear harry fingers,
no matter what, I don't care what it's called.
Speaker 4 (52:06):
Yeah, I agree, I'm not into the harry fingers. Let's
say that one.
Speaker 6 (52:09):
Harry Harry fingers.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
It's the fear of.
Speaker 4 (52:14):
Cheese, tual fear of cheese fromage. I was gonna go
with that because French trimage.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Okay, here's our last one.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
This is fine. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
The last phobia is clinophobia. Clinophobia hm hmm, it looks
so like it looks that looks so gynecological.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
Okay, is it the fear of small dogs, the fear
of cut grass, or the fear of going to bed.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
Cut grass?
Speaker 2 (52:50):
It's the fear of going to bed.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
I thought it was the fear of Lillary Clinton.
Speaker 3 (52:54):
What does it matter. I won the prize. That's all
that we know.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
I feel like every child between the ages of zero
to ten has clinophobia.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
I have clinophobia. I don't go to bit till five
o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 4 (53:05):
Anyway, I thought it was fear of clina clinophobia.
Speaker 1 (53:09):
Yeah, she said, Hillary Clinton said, Hailey Clinton, all the phobias.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
Well, you know what, this has been an absolute pleasure.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
Oh I have one last question.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
Go where'd you get your glasses from? Because they are
the most epic pair of glasses scene.
Speaker 3 (53:25):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (53:26):
Now it's a very sad story because I am too
old to read the side number that are so little
that I can hardly remember the name.
Speaker 3 (53:36):
Now it's a Japanese.
Speaker 4 (53:37):
Designer, something like Machada Mercurie. Oh okay, that's it's two
with an M an M and then a space and
then another round.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
I'm going to go search for those next time cover
we'll look forward.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
We'll check it out next time you come over.
Speaker 4 (53:53):
I'll know where you can look it up because you're
younger and you'll be able to see it.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
Thank you, Rosie, You're a joy. I have just enjoyed
getting to talk to you. I loved coming to your
house the other day. You have so many.
Speaker 4 (54:05):
Please come next time and we will make you whatever
it is you like to eat.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
We love you.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
We love you so much again giving you your flowers
because she's Rosie. Rosie o'donnald International star from the Flintstones.
Speaker 3 (54:21):
Don't forget it, man, don't forget it.
Speaker 2 (54:23):
I can't forget it.
Speaker 1 (54:24):
We love you so much.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
I love you both to come over to have a
great rest of your day.
Speaker 4 (54:29):
And you know what, this was the best podcast every.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
Yeah, you're the best, Rosie.
Speaker 3 (54:37):
I love you.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
A mensch, a mensch. She's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
She's absolutely brilliant. But you know, we fucking didn't ask
her what she would order Jerry's famous Delhi oh Man
bagel chips or Matzabel sous.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
I can't believe I got to ask her little text her.
It's been a pleasure working with you. Miranda piermand may Day.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
You know what, Raven Simone, Christina Pierraman.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
May Day, she said my middle name.
Speaker 2 (55:09):
She said the whole fucking middle name. I said the
whole fucking government name. Oh, the government really into saying
fuck today.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (55:17):
It's been a pleasure. It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
I learned a lot. I did not know about the
woman's uh heart attack situation. I definitely want to look
into that. Make sure you're healthy, you guys, mentally, physically, emotionally.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
Listen to this is my heartbeat song and Kelly Clarson
come on our podcast. You guys, thanks for listening. We'll
catch you see in.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
Bye everyone.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
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Speaker 2 (55:52):
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Speaker 1 (55:57):
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Welcome back, Welcome back to the best podcast ever with
Raven and my Ran. Did you guys miss us?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I missed us? I missed us too. I mean we're
pretty missafule. Hey hey, hey, okay, serious question for you.
I want to know what you think about same side seating.
What the fuck is that like when you see a
couple in a restaurant and they're sitting on the same
side as each other.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Oh, unless we have different hands, meaning if you're left handed,
I'm right handed, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Need us to sit across the table. Okay, So the
only time it's acceptable is if you have different hands.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
No, the only other time it's acceptable is when you
got multiple people at the table and you don't want
to smell them and you rather just mall your partner
the whole time.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
But I'm just saying, like a couple, yeap, just the couple.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Just the couple into the table. I need to stay
into you.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
They go to Jerry's same mistelli, ooh, that's closed. I
like it, rip and they sit on the same side
of the booth. Are you weird it out?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
It depends on how they are. That sounds like a
couple that's in their seventies. So no, no, what are
you are you? Are you a same side sitter?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
No, because here's the deal. When you sit same side
and then you want to talk to each other, you're
always having to then look over your right or left
shoulder right, And like you said, I want to be
able just to like look into your eyes. And it's
interesting you say a seventy year old couple, because I'd
put that on thirteen year olds who are crushing on
each other and want to like hold hands while eating.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Wow, they obviously aren't addicted to food like I am. Like,
I'd rather be eating than holding hands.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah, I know. For you, going to a restaurant is
not a joke. No, it is all about the It
is not about the romance that. It is not about
the person you're going with.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
It is about the word romance has been circulating our
ether for too long. I'm over it, has it?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Really?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah? Bad romance?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Okay, So.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
We're pretty much on the same side of the same
side seating conversation, correct, which means it's not happening.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
We're on the opposite side of the table, of the
same side of the table conversation, the opposite side of
the same. Look at that.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I love.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
That's a whole new, a whole new page. Okay, I
have a question back to Jerry's Nimistelli. What was your
order there?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
So I have to ask you a question before I
answer that is this in the daytime or after the club?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Such a good distinction. It would definitely be the daytime
because I never went to the club, so the daytime.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Okay, so daytime I would probably get the chicken soup
with with bagel crisps, without the matsa. I don't do matsa.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Ooh, the matsa ball soup. You would get the chicken
noodle soup.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
With rice, actually chicken and rice soup.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah, I get the chicken and.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Rice soup without the mazza. It took me a while
to get to the mansa, but definitely the pickled tomatoes.
If you guys don't know, there was a deli that
thrived in Los Angeles called Jerry's Famous Deli. They were
in Encino, they were in Hollywood and after COVID, we.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Were right across the street from Cedar SINAI.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Oh so good now, club Jerry's Deli. Meal is different.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I'm sorry, do you know what I know this is
not what you were getting at with the club, but
this is an amazing segue. Do you know what club
as in club Sandwich stands for?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
What does club from club sandwich celery let no celery
lettuce celery. Well, I don't know what else starts with the.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Sea chicken lettuce under bread, shut the front back door. Now,
if that is the acronym for club, why then does
it are over to the club?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
You mean I do not eat a club before I
go to the.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Club, that would know? I mean like, because do you
think the club as in I'm going to the club
also stands for chicken let us under bread, But it
just means different types of things could be could be
because I means like, if you say, hey, I have
my golf club, are you really saying you have my chicken?
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I hate the English language. It is said, we'd like
to learn that I or did you just come up
with that?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Well?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
What does a BLT stand for bacon lettuce?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
And that toole?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Exactly? So that's a club obviously means chicken let us underbread.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I love that obviously obviously.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Obviously well order, So here's the deal on Tuesdays and
Thursdays when I was growing up were my nights with
my dad, so my dad would take my sister and
I out to dinner. Usually we frequented two places on
the regular, actually three, but Jerry's was one of them,
and I would go back and forth between half of
(05:04):
a tuna sandwich or half of a turkey sandwich with
a bowl of Matzowall soup all the time, and then
usually a slice of cheesecake.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Ooh, a cheesecake at Jerry's Deli. Never did the cheesecake,
always did the brownie Sunday.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Jerry's it was. It's a landmark, it is. It is
a famous deli, which is ironic considering how famous the
person coming onto this podcast is.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Genius.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
She may or may not have eaten there.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
She probably ate there. I could definitely see this famous
Purtisan eating there with her Manzi bl soup and bagel chips.
This famous person that we're about to talk to has
grazed my eyes since I was a young kid. She
gave me hope, and she made me laugh, and she
knows how to use a glue gun.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I have to tell you that she was in two
core memory building movie for me. They literally imprinted into
my brain, DNA. I don't even know. And do you
know what they are? Well?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
One of them, I hope I know one of them.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I hope.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I think I know what it is. The other one
I know for sure, I know what it is.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Okay, well, do you want to say which one? Do
you think?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
The sad part is I don't know the names, but
one of them A baseball movie, A League of their Own.
The other one is the Flintstones.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
No big, the second not at all. It was now
and then.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Oh that's right, you always say now now and then
Flintstones is mine.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Flintstones I loved. Also, if you guys didn't know, I'm
going I'll tell you that it's not Flintstones, it's flint.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
F l I Flintstone T and do I say that T?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
But I just learned this the other day and it
was one of those moments where I was like, what
in the actual fuck? And flint yeah, Mendela effect, for sure,
flint Stones, flint because the fire they spark it, flint anyway, whatever,
Now and Then and A League of their Own with
two movies I watched on repeat after going to Jerry's Famoustelli.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
And there you have it if you haven't guessed, we
have the most historic legend in the comedy field, especially
for our community. You guys, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It's not Madonna. Oh, it's it's her bff, Rosie o'donald.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Hello, Rosie, Rosie of Donald International Star, Superstar, The Flintstone.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Flintstone Stone, Thank you, ladies. I've never had a musical
introduction like, have.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
You not served it?
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Well?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
I would like to bring you with me everywhere I go,
so you can just do that as I'm announced into
a room or something.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I love that idea and we can definitely range.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
It would work for me. It would work for me.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I'm surprised you haven't had a musical introduction before.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Well, I don't think with the kind of fervor and
you know, precision that you guys did.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Obviously, Rosie, obviously, because it's the best.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Amazingly, Rosie, what do you think you're most recognized from?
Is it the Flintstones?
Speaker 3 (08:07):
No?
Speaker 4 (08:07):
In fact, that's I only say that because Roseanne Barr
was on Saturday Night Live with Madonna once and they
did a skit where Roseanne was playing me, so she
had a backwards hat and she kept saying hello, it's
me Rosie O'Donnell's star The Flintstones, and I thought it
(08:28):
was very funny, you know, the way she was sort
of doing me, and so it stuck. That was from
like twenty years ago, twenty five years ago, and that's
why I say it. People don't even remember that I
was in the Flintstone But I forget.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
What are you talking about? I will never see my wife.
She goes for the more heart felt Rosie O'Donnell catalog
and I'm like, Flintstones, that's where I stand.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
My wife is in love with now. And then was yes,
like did something to me, Coroberta. I mean like it was.
That movie was magical and then a league of their
own Abby.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Yeah, that's the biggest one. People always say. In fact,
when I had a heart attack, I was rushed to
the er and the woman the nurses were shaving everything,
and this one nurse says to me.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Do you think Dottie dropped that ball on purpose? And
I'm like, I'm going in with heart surgery. Don't ask
me about that road. That is respectful. I'm so bad
at that is her name, Doris. We need to go
talk to him. It was it was not Doris. But
it was very funny.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
And when I she said, listen, I promise you this.
When you wake up, I'm going to be right next
to you holding your hand. And you know what she
was When I woke up in recovery, she was right
there holding my hand.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Well, I don't know. You had a heart attack massive,
I should have died. Yes.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Ten eleven years ago, when I was fifty, I was
home and and I was with a friend who was
ill at doing chemo. And as I came out of
the thing driving her home, I see a woman in
the parking lot with a hair thing on like a
you know, and her hair was thinning, and it was
(10:15):
obvious she was going in to the same place I
had just come from. But half her body was outside
the car and like she was stuck, couldn't get herself up.
She was very heavy, and she somehow had gotten a
walker out of the car. But she caught eyes with me,
made eye contact, and she said Rosie, and I said yes,
(10:36):
and she said.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Will you help me up?
Speaker 4 (10:38):
And so I went over and I helped her up,
and it took a lot longer than I expected, and
I got home and my arms were hurting, and I thought,
that's funny. It must have been from pushing her up.
So I, you know, went about my business. I was
in my little art studio my son, who was only
you know young at the time.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I said to me, Mommy, you look like a ghost.
I don't know what happened to you. I said, you know, Blake, I'm.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
So tired and my arms are hurting, and I google
you know women's heart attack signs that it's like kind
of I have a few of them, but I don't
really sound the alarms yet. And well, the truth of
the matter is I had this heart attack.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
And on Monday at ten in the morning, I went.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
To therapy at two and my therapist. I said to
my therapist do you think that I could be having
a heart attack? And she said, you know, you always
do this, you smaticize your feelings, and you know that.
I was like, oh, I go, well, I'm very tired,
can I go? I drove my little scooter home to
my for my therapists.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Okay, like you know, fifteen.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Minutes I get home, I can hardly walk upstairs. I
take two baby aspirin, I go to sleep, I wake up, and.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
My family goes you have to go to the doctor.
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
So I waited until the next day. So I had
it Monday, and on Wednesday I went to the doctors
who are cardiologist, not the er, because I thought, what
if somebody really needs it there and this can't be
a heart attack, it has to hurt more. And they said,
you sit down, you're having a massive heart attack. You've
(12:16):
already had one. We're taking you to the er. And
I was like, wait, wait, what you know? Like I
couldn't believe. And then I came to find out that
the symptoms for a woman having a heart attack are
very different than the symptoms for men having heart attacks.
Yet what we see on TV are always men having
heart attacks.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Even though more women die.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Of heart attacks every year than men. So it's just
the patriarchal view of medicine and how we're all kind of,
you know, subject to its whims and its misogyny. And
so I ended up doing an HBO special about the
signs of a woman's heart attack, just so that women
(12:59):
could know.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
That's amazing and absolutely necessary. I was wondering, did your
relationship to your body change after having such a big
heart attack?
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Yes, I had one hundred percent blockage of my LAD,
and your LAD is something like the left ulterior descending.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
That's not exactly right, but something like that. And that's
the one they called the widow maker. Yeah. So when
you have had a heart.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Attack, they look at your other arteries first, because chances
are if you're blocked in the LAD, you're dead anyway. Yeah,
so they go in and they look at the other ones,
and then they go in my LAD and they go, oh,
my god. And they put in a stent and opened
it up. So I was really really lucky. And I
would say that it brought me into my body in
(13:48):
a way that I hadn't really been since I was
a very young girl. It made me aware of feelings
and I can like kind of dissociate and do the
world for my head up, you know, and just try
to use right, use my intellect and not really pay
much attention to my body.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
But this forced me to pay attention.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
And the doctor said to me, you know, when you
survive a year or two without another heart attack, you'll
know that you made it through the toughest parts. But
until then, remember it won't be subtle. Wow, it won't
be subtle. So you know, I was waiting and worrying,
and you know, then I went on to Bill Clinton
(14:30):
like eat twigs only diet.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Remember when he went on that. Yeah, I did that.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
For about, you know, three months, and then I'm like, okay,
life is too short.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I have to find some other way to handle this.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
But yes, it forced me into my body and to
be in touch with my body in a way that
I never had been.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Wow. Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Do you find yourself like steering away from stressful events
just as a safety maneuver or do you just lose?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Well?
Speaker 4 (14:59):
I try, but you know, I have five kids and
one of them is in crisis, and the stress level
is always very high, and.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
You know, I.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Try to distance myself sometimes.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I try to be protective.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Of you know, I can't do it anymore, you know,
but it's hard, especially when it's a child, you know,
and even though they're old enough to you know, not
be in your care anymore, that's your child.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
And heart strings, no pun intended.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
All puns exactly exactly, and you got to protect those
you know, you got to protect.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
And I'm very heart forward person. You know, it's all about.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
It's all about doing, loving and connecting to people.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
I feel like you're.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Really good at that, Rosie, I feel like you're really
open and you're really honest, and you I see that
from you a lot on TikTok. I was just going
to bring that up your TikTok and you're you're you're honest,
and what I mean by that is like you're down
to say, hey, fuck you, this doesn't work for me,
but you're also like, here's a day in my life
or here. Oh my god, Rosie. You know what tripped
(16:11):
me up the fact that you went to Joni Mitchell.
I literally, I mean, my god, I can't what was
that like? Had you seen her before?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
So Joni uh Jonie to me? Is it? And my
brother Eddie turned me on to her when I was ten,
you know, and I always struggle to understand the lyrics.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
And really they sat with me as very heavy and
very into where what I was feeling at the time
because my mom had just died.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
And there were so many emotions that were.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Unspoken, and every song of hers resonated, Oh yeah, that she.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Was to me. Just so. She came on My.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Talks a couple times, which was amazing. She did both
sides now with a full orchestra on My show. That
was the last song we played on my show as well,
and I adore her, so when she did the Newport
Jazz Festival, I was shocked because I thought, how did
I not hear? Because she knows and all her people
(17:19):
know if she's performing, I'm going, so please tell me
right I was watching it on YouTube, going how.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Did this happen?
Speaker 4 (17:28):
So when they announced that she was going to the
Gorge in Seattle, I called up right away and said, please,
I need four and I called my brother who had
had heart failure four years ago, nearly died and he
has an l VAD pump machine inside his body that's
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keeping him alive. There's a horrible history of heart issues
in my father's side of the family, and so it
was the first time really I had seen him since
he's been in recovery from this.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
And what we didn't realize is the Gorge is a.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Huge way to walk down and you know, yeah, it
was difficult for him, I have to say, And he
did tell me after had he known it was that,
you know, much of a challenge. She's not sure that
he would have ventured out there, but we did it,
and we got down there and we went backstage and
saw her and you.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Know, eighty years old, she had an aneurysm, and she.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Was able to reteach herself to talk, to play the piano,
to play the guitar, to walk.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
She had to redo everything in her life, and she did.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
And it was absolutely the most beautiful night that I
can remember. Annie Lennox sang Ladies of the Canyon.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Wow, She's truly very amazing. If you ever again, I'm
coming with you, yes, because that once in a lifetime.
And when I saw that, Yes, I saw Sarah McLaughlin
and Brandy Carlyle, and I was like, why are Raven
and I not there with Rosie? I was so jealous.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Listen, anytime that anyone is a Jony lover like me,
I want to go with them.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I want someone else in myro crying like I am
at the time. That would be me.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
You know, you have named so many people. You know,
we got to chill with you personally, but you have
named so many people that you have come across in
your life. You know, you're friends with Madonna, you know
Joni Mitchell, you know Miranda Pierman, may Days, you know
Tom Cruise.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
You know Tom Cruise.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Is there anyone that you haven't met that you want
to meet, Yes, Eminem, why or is it just because
he's like?
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Is he and Joni Mitchell coincidentally are the two people
who have written most accurately about fame.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
And when I left my show.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
And felt the need to I'm out of that very
high flying airplane and come back down to earth, it
was Eminem's lyrics that helped get me through. And I
you know, and he has some rose o'donnald lyrics and
his music.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
He says, you know, we'll.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Go to McDonald's, get some go to Rosy o'donald's, get
some McDonalds, sit on her lap and watch the sopranos.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Right, he has sung.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Things with me and his lyric and you know, I've
just always admired him. I admire his story. I admire
where he has come from. I admire how he's raised
his children. They all were like, you know, valedictorians of
their class, and and I just think he's done a
tremendous amount where.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
From where he came from to where he is. And
I admire him very much. I would love to know.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I can't tell you more that you're over here a
hip hop hit and I didn't even know it like
she's over here.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I just want to know what lyric it was that
brought you back after your talk show, because I feel
like it would be like snap back to reality.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
There goes gravity, there goes gravity.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Floats, there's no water, there's no Father's Yes, Rosy.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Donald rapping on our This is why this is the
best podcast ever.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
If you if you fuckers didn't know why, that was.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Why this episode two, when we know.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I want to say something. It has nothing to do
what we were talking about, except it does kind of.
Back in the day, I used to watch a show
and it was the Rosie o' donald talk show.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I used to watch the show me too. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I was so in love with the fact that you
had a relationship with your glue gun like no other
woman I've ever met, exactly, and it made me feel
comfortable enough to I'm like making. It made me feel
comfortable enough to say, you know what, I'm a craft
or two and I just want to, you know, change
positions a little bit. Do you still craft? Because I paint?
(21:59):
Your daughter is a painter. Do you still have that
while you listen to you know eminem.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Yes, I haven't set up a studio here yet since
we've moved here and we're in rented houses.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
So in our house, we would choose one room.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Even if it's the living room, and that would become
the craft room, and we would put a big table
in the middle, and we would allow everyone to paint
on the walls to do it, and when it got
totally covered, I would photograph it all and then paint
it all white and do it again. And to me,
you know, with four little kids, it was a glorious
way to raise them.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
That with the freedom.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
You know, there's nothing like seeing a two year old
rip open a canvas that's like four feet tall and
not have any fear of it. I always painted and
crafted like you, Raven, but I never considered myself like
an artist in that way because I wasn't trained and
I didn't have any.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Specific skill set.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
But but after nine to eleven, I went out and
I bought every canvas they had a by Ac Moore,
because I thought life could be over at a minute,
life changes on a dime. I'm not waiting for permission
for someone to say you can try canvases.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
So it really wasn't until nine to eleven and that
I couldn't throw out any.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Of the newspapers of the images that I started gluing
them with modpodge on canvases and then painting over them.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Yes, mixed media.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yes, it was mixed media.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
And so then there was an event and some woman said,
I want to buy this.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Could you send it to this as my framer?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
And I said sure, it was a charity thing, and
so I took it to her framer and he said,
people came in didn't know it was me and said, oh,
there are there more of those, and so he said,
can you, you know, give me more, and so I
sent this guy some more and that's how it all started.
And then the person and the guy was like, listen,
(24:01):
you know you can't really take a photograph and then
paint over it and sell it, you because the copyright
on the photograph or the you know whatever. So I said, well,
I didn't do these to sell them. I did it
for myself. This is about how I was dealing with
the whole nine to eleven thing. And he's actually he said,
(24:25):
try try painting with no images.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
And so then for a full year I just painted.
I did portraits. I'm so mad at you.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
You did not show me any of those while we
came to visit you.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
I know, because if they're all in New York, New York, Yes,
because you know, we came here.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Now this is the third year in this new school
for Dakota.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
We came here and I didn't know if we were
going to be staying. I didn't know whether the school
was going to take off. I didn't know whether the
series I was on, which has since been canceled, would
be continued.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
You know. Now we're possibly at.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
A writer's strike and out of writers, but maybe at
an actor's strike as well. Yes, exactly, and you know
it's going to be a while, I think before we
get this show business machine working again in a hopefully
fair and equitable way.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
We can only hope it is a wild and unpredictable time,
which leads me into a wild and unpredictable moment, Rosie,
that we like to have on our podcast, to the
(25:38):
best podcast ever. We're going to spin a wheel.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
The wheel.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I love that the wheel is going to generate a
random word. We have no idea what this word is,
but once we do, we're all going to talk about it. Rosie,
Rosie O'Donnell, star of the Flintstones, are you ready to
spin the wheel.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
I am ready to spend the wheel.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Spinning, spinning, spinning.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
And the word is spiders.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Oh my god, spiders. I will tell you this and
this only. I do not like them. I will gladly
step on them if I can have a very large
size shoe. I don't feel the need like my daughter does,
to pick them up and carry them outside to their
happy life outside.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
And I canceled my trip to a Safari with fran
Dresser because I saw the photos of the size of
the spiders where she was, and I said, I can
never sleep in that hotel or that room knowing that
right outside there's the spider that side.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
I don't blame you, Rosie.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I hate those fucking things.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
So you couldn't go to Australia really either, because I
feel like Australia is like filled with spiders, and that's
it's filled with spiders.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
But you know a five star place is not gonna
have spiders. Just don't leave the hotel.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yo.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I feel the same way. I will cry and scream
like a little when there's a spider.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
So would you consider yourself an arachnephobiac, Rosie.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Well, I'm definitely and a rakna hate your guts, you know,
kind of, but I don't know how phobic.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I don't like go into a panic attack.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
But you know, my my kids will always call me
and when they're kids that there's a bug in the room,
and I'm.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Like, this is the worst part of being a lesbian.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
There's no guy to get to do the spiders, you know,
like I.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
You took, You took my whole entire life and summed
it up in one sentence. I am the more male
version in the relationship. I till until there's.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
A spider a bug.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Those are the only things. Everything else I can handle.
I can like this, this is the deal.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
With my wife, she's like, hey, how you doing, Like, oh.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
How are you? She sees a spider, She's like, oh
my god, how my screaming? And I'm like, whoa. First
of all, didn't even know you could hit that note.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Second of all, she screwy, Like, but here's the unbelievable.
When I was younger, I used to watch a lot
of National Geographic and I can't even watch spiders on television.
Learning about a brown recluse scared the shit out of me.
To where any spider will kill me and eat my flesh.
Black Widow. I actually played one on the Mask Singer,
and I scared myself, although I did feel kind of
(28:24):
empower because nobody wanted to be around me.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
Spiders are so scary and they're gross, and they love
to do up close and personal pictures of their little
tentacles underneath their mouths.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Yeah, I don't like those up close spider pictures have
ruined many a sleepless night for me.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Either of you seen the TikTok account. Oh, it's a woman.
She's millions of viewers or followers, but it's all about
her and her spider. She has pet spiders. Why would
I don't know if either of you would just have
maybe come across it.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
No, and I did see just last night a woman
in New York who had a pet rat on her
shoulders walking around and everybody was touching the pet rat,
and I thought, Thank the Lord, I never had to
run into this person. I don't know what I would do.
She found it looked like it looked like she might
have picked it up from the street.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
It didn't look like a pet store rat to me, you.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Know, Yeah, I was gonna say, did you see a
lot of rats in New York.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Yes, you see them all the time in the subway.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
If you ever go to the subway, you see them
like common as can be.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
So I hate spiders.
Speaker 6 (29:36):
This is not a joke.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
This is not a lie. However, there is a really
cool interesting fact in some government instances, they use the
molecules or the molecule structure of a spider web to
actually build bulletproof vests or materials because it's one of
the strongest materials.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
So you're confusing that fact with a movie called Spider Man.
That's called incorrect. So we're just gonna glaze right over that.
Raven is like, so there's this there's this one spider
that bites some and then the webs come and he's
a superhero.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Check that produce it.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Check it over here, over here, giving you the plot.
It's a real vider Man.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
My wife is kind of like your daughter in a
sense that she's like, don't kill the bug.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
We gotta say that he deserves a life.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
I'm like, no, no, no, no no. When I come back
from the dead, I'm not choosing something that's ugly and
obviously gonna eat the flesh off of a human.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
That's actually false. I don't try and save them. The
difference between Raven and I is Raven screams, and then
Raven screams and then sprays it with water, and then
it just gets pissed off.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Actually, I spray with anything. I'll spray it with raid,
I'll spray it with for breeze, I'll spray with anything
I find.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
So then what she does is she's just kind of
stunned the creature and then it's just and made a
mess for me to clean up. So I'm like, okay,
go scream over there in the corner and I'm gonna
kill it. Just let me kill it my way, which
is with a paper towel, and it's done and gone.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
What other animals are you scared of, Rosie?
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Well, you know, a snake I don't enjoy. When my
kids each turned eight, they get to pick an animal,
and Blakey picked a snake, and we got the snake,
and we got the little baby mice that you had
to feed it, and we put the baby mice in
the just what they told us to do. And we
wake up the next morning the snake, snake has died.
It's jaw dislocated trying to eat the freaking mouse. And
(31:28):
that was the like Blake woke up and he's like,
it's dead.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I'm like, oh my god, Well do you flesh that?
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Do you flush that down the toilet? Like do you
flush the snake?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
No, you had to bear.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I think we had a burial in a shoe box.
I think we had a burial.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
The whole thing just scathed me out, to know. And
then he got a bearded dragon.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
I never went near that thing, either a lizard Rosie.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
On your talk show, did you ever host or did
you ever have an animal person come on?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Yeah? Oh yes, And I was very scared of most
of them.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
What anial are you most fearful of? You said, snake and.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
That you brought on to your show?
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Yeah? Well I one time, and this is embarrassing.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
There was a kid there who was a Make a
Wish kid who like had done the opening.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
And I'm standing on the stage and this hawk or
eagle starts.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Flying and I run and I like hunker down over
the It looks like I'm using her as a bullet shield,
you know, And the freaking thing came and landed on
my shoulder, and I thought I'm never gonna lift this down,
you know, throwing the child in front of me to
save me from the eagle.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Did that make a headline? Rosie O'Donnell uses save a
wish stoll.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
But believe me, if I was on today, it would
because the things that we got away with being human
and not getting canceled. You know, it's just a different time.
I mean, it's a completely different time.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
That's so true, being human and not being canceled. There
is this like line of just being a human being,
but now cancel cold. Are so ready to jump at people,
you can't be. There's no room for human error anymore
at all.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
And especially because a lot of the people that we're
seeing like this Miranda sings, you know that girl from
the Internet.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Are you familiar with that story?
Speaker 5 (33:19):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
And Colleen is her name.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
And yeah, Colleen Ballinger writes something like that. And she
was actually on the View Raven while I a guest,
while I was there, and you know, she kind of
rose from the internet. And it's not the same as
it was when someone got famous when I was young,
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you know, where you had the years. It wasn't no
overnight success story or and so people maybe don't have
the best experience to understand. As you slowly kind of
gain more popularity and variety.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
You figure out how to incorporate that into your life
and the world.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
But there's a difference, though, Rosie, right, because, like you
just said, back in the day, you slowly rose to fame.
Nowadays people don't slowly rise. There's no school to teach
you how to be famous, because ultimately, when you slowly rise,
you can make those mistakes, you can say those things,
and they're not following you around like a tweet does now.
And I feel like with people that are trying to
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be famous or are famous in the social media world
that then try to switch over, they never truly got
an education on what it is to be famous. Because
we have certain types of famous people. You have those
people who are nice and that know, like, okay, everyone
is important in this production, including the janitor, including the
light and guy, including the grips, And then you have
some famous people like I'm the end all be all,
(34:45):
and of course that lives in every generation. But there
is something different when you rise to fame too fast,
because back in the day when that happened, you'd fall
just as fast and you're a one hit.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
Wonder and there's something missing.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I totally feel you. I'm not the same age as you,
but I feel like we you know, we're in the
same circles, even though I was younger and you know,
living in that world or a baby.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
You were a baby, and I don't you know, when
you think of all of the child stars and how
few of them come out unscathed, it's shocking that anyone
would allow their child now to do that, you know.
I mean, I think that it's so treacherous a lifestyle
for a fairly healthy minded mental.
Speaker 7 (35:31):
Adult most definitely, never mind a baby who's only and
you were a baby, honey, who was only trying to
figure out and learn their life around them, And you know,
it screws everything up.
Speaker 6 (35:44):
It totally does.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
We were talking about that today, just another private conversation,
but ultimately I was like, that's so much trauma that
we're trying to unpack in this one topic that I
don't think I'll ever get there as fast as I can,
as fast as I want to.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
But I don't know if it's as traumat as the
responses that both of you have to spiders. So I
have a question if somebody came to you and said,
I have a nineteen ninety four Alfa Romeo Spider, which
is a car. Would you take it?
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I would, and I would change the spider symbol on
it to like a raven symbol. Let me tell about spider.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Those pas a Corteous. Would you take it? ROSI would
you drive a spider?
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Yes? I would. I'm not like afraid of the word,
I'm afraid of the hairy bug.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
The hairy bug.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
I just don't under like. And then everybody's like, daddy
long legs, They're so important.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
No, they're not.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
They're not important. And you know what else do you guys?
There was a story back in the day. I don't remember.
I know I was living in Atlanta at the time.
It had to be in the late nineties early two thousands,
and I don't know if it was a true story
or a urban legend, but the legend that when a
spider bites you and lays its eggs underneath your skin,
and then this little girl woke up and there were
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spiders crawling all over her body because the eggs hatched.
That's scared yeah forever.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
I hope that's not true, because I know I've seen
that show Things inside of Me.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Have you seen that show where they do.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
The buttflies and they take out all of the crazy
crawley bugs inside of people.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
I'm gonna send you the link.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
You'll raven, You'll be like, you can watch a few
episodes and then it's too much scuse if that was
inside of me.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
I don't know what when you see people who have
to go to the doctor because they have ear pain
and then they pull out a cockerroach or a spider.
I mean it's terrifying. And the and the statistics around
how many bugs we consume, not even knowing, Like we're
fast asleep and we have our mouths open and like
a bug crawls, and it's it's absolutely terrible.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
And then you have Thailand and they're like, oh, look,
tarantula juice. That's protein. Ever, let me put it in
some panco.
Speaker 6 (37:43):
Crumbs and fry it.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Like I watched this YouTube guy. We watched this YouTuber
guy Rosie, who travels all over the world and he
goes and eats and you know, random places and markets
and he eats all of these bugs all the time.
It's it's truly a vegetarian.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Yeah, And on the show Survivor. I kind of stopped
watching it when they were eating bugs. But the thing
that really got me was they took an ox and
they cut its vein and they got blood into a
jar and then made the people drink the blood up.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Like I'm out. I can't, That's what It's so insane.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Okay, So real talk for a second. What is your
true biggest fear?
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Dying and leaving my kids unprepared? You know, Like now
that I have this little ten year old who has autism,
I really am focused on staying healthy and keeping myself
alive and available for her as long as I can,
so she has the best platform from which.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
To fly, you know.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
And I just worry, you know, my other kids, I
didn't feel were as vulnerable as she, you know.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
And and.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
So that is that's my biggest fear. Like I don't
I don't love to fly, but if I'm with my children,
I feel okay. Now my other kids are twenty and above,
so I kind of feel like they're set, like you know,
but that I've got another decade of hard mothering to
come and then you know, onward, hopefully into my eighties.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
You know.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
But that's my biggest thing as I worry about her,
and I worry about what would happen if I were gone.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Have you found support or a community of other parents
who have autistic children, because I think that it's really important,
right And you briefly kind of mentioned to Raven and
I that you have another child with autism but didn't
know it or would have had them tested and didn't
know at the time.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Yeah, I think that they were very hesitant to give
girls diagnoses way.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Back when, and that you know.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Perhaps my daughter who struggles so much, you know, and
had very hard beginnings and it was not dealt a
great hand. But I do worry what if she had
gotten that diagnosis.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
And maybe we had been able to You know, when
you have a.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
Juggle a child, sorry, who's struggling, you constantly replay every
moment of what could I have done differently?
Speaker 3 (40:23):
You know, and.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
Sometimes it's an endless, meaningless, you know, self flagellation because frankly,
you can do as to yourself all day. You know,
you could go I should have done that, I should
have done this. I but you don't get do overs
and parenting.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
You know, Well, there's an age that we're at right now.
And please tell me, I'm not a parent. I don't
know the actual struggle that you're going through, but I
do hear you. There's so much emphasis on mental health
and creating an environment for people with autism and on
the spectrum of all kinds. Do you feel like our
society is actually better than it was when your other
(41:07):
child was out there? Being that there's so many resources.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
Yes, there's so many resources. There's so much more information,
there's so much more research. There's a lot of advocacy online.
I found other parents of autistic children online, and you know,
also have found a wonderful group of women who have
(41:33):
daughters who are struggling and you know, and I found
that group very helpful online. Although one of the daughters
lost her struggle with addiction a month ago. Oh my,
and so this group of five of us is you know,
it was a big shock because we all found each
(41:53):
other just on TikTok.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
You know.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
And that's one thing that I think of TikTok is
really wonderful for and I'm hoping that they don't ban
It is connecting people with niche kind of issues that
most people don't understand. And you know, I look at
some of the struggles that these families with an autistic
child have, and I realize that up till now, how
(42:18):
lucky I've been with you know, my daughter's type of autism.
You know, there's every time you meet one person with autism,
you've met one person with autism, they're different. Every single
one is different, and so it makes it hard for
you know.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
A culture to understand and accept or for police.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
That's the scariest thing to me is when you know
they're telling an autistic person who maybe does not understand
in the way that they would want them to to
get on the ground or put your hands up, and
all they that happens is a neurological panic attack that
you know sometimes ends in their death, and that's terrifying.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Well, you know, that's one of the things that I
actually really just appreciate about your honesty, Rosie, and what
I've seen you share on TikTok goes back to this,
because you have shared Dakota and you've shared that she's autistic,
and you shared some of your experiences as a parent
to an autistic child, which in turn helps other people learn,
(43:19):
helps other people go, oh, okay, wait, my child may
have this and finding community and resource is so important,
and you've done that. I think throughout your career. You
were one of the first people I remember hearing talk
about mental health and the struggles around mental health, and
I just really wanted to take a moment to say
thank you, honestly for being vocal and for being willing
(43:41):
to speak the docs. Yeah, to voice the difficult and
take the backlash that some of that has I'm sure
come towards you as a result.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
But you know, I always feel like if a woman
has a microphone in America, it's her job to use
it preach ya. And so I never wanted to hide
any of my imperfections. I never wanted to act like
I had it all figured out. I like everyone else
is just growing and learning and trying to be their best,
you know, like everyone else is trying to do.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
And it's Uh, it's.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
For me healthier to be honest and upfront about what's
going on in my world, for me and my own
mental stuff, than it is to have secrets. My childhood
was full of secrets that you couldn't tell. In my adulthood,
there aren't many I had same things.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Literally, secrets keep you sick.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
I had the same thing growing up. A lot of
different secrets, so many secrets and just ingrained to where
even now my wife and I talk and she's like,
you deal with all of your stuff so quietly, like
she's so vocal with her emotions and so outward, and
I'm just like, you didn't need to know that. You
didn't need to know that. And I'm thinking that maybe
that's because I was taught to keep that inside. Nobody cares, like,
(44:58):
we have to get stuff done. Don't tell anybody what's
going on, because if you do, you're disrespecting the family.
Like things like that. Nothing crazy, don't try to dive
into it, listeners, But it's just on an overall with
the old school way of thinking. The family is the hub.
Don't let anybody inside of it, otherwise we're going to
judge you and break you up. And you know, all
this kind of stuff. And you know, again, we talked
(45:18):
a little bit about your childhood and history.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
As a child, we had a sentence that my father
would always say, which is, don't air your dirty laundry
in public.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
That's what it is.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
That was, And I remember as a kid, kids don't
get metaphors, you know, My mom once said to me,
you lie.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
Like a rug, and I remember thinking rugs can't talk.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
I was like eight. You know, I didn't get it.
You know, so kids aren't that good with metaphors. And
you know when my father said don't air your dirty
laundry out in public, you know, it had a profound
kind of effect, and that was the overall message that
you keep everything in the house in the house.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
And nobody says that to kids now. Now it's like,
as soon as I have a problem, the entire world
is going to know about it and don't judge me
for it because it's triggering or it's a part of
my mental health. And same with me, it's like, don't
air your dirty laundry. I'm like, why do I even
have dirty laundry? In these space?
Speaker 2 (46:12):
People now use their dirty laundry for clout, They use
it for clicks, they use it for attention. Yeah, it's
become a completely different relationship to dirty laundry.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
It truly is a lot of the times, you know,
especially with child stars, you hear so many bad stories
and a lot of people try to get me to
tell the bad parts all the time, and I'm like,
I don't need to air my dirty laundry. I'll do
a couple of things here and there when it's about
mental health, but everything else, like, that's my business, and
that's between me, my wife and my therapist, like unnecessary.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
And that's your decision.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
And you know, I mean, I know when I came
out about my depression, which was really severe and you know,
quite troubling until I got on meds after April ninety nine,
after Columbine, thank god I did. But you know, my
brother did not like that I put on the cover
of my magazine my face with depression, right, And he's like,
(47:07):
do you think that when you tell these stories about
our childhold you that I'm not affected by this? And
do you think, Well, we happened to be going to
a Miami Soul game that day. We were in Florida,
and from the time we walked in until we got
to our seats, like four different people came up to
me crying, saying thank you for that article. And I
just kept looking at my brother and we sat down.
(47:28):
He goes, all right, I get the point. I'm like, okay,
so I'm in a different position ed and I'm.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
Trying to put light on things that need light.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
That's the same thing that happened to me with coming
out as gay, like my parent, my mom, don't tell anybody,
don't tell anybody. This is for You're gonna kill your grandma.
Speaker 6 (47:47):
This is blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
And as soon as I did, I feel like my
career got better, Like more people were there, I finally understand.
You know, well said a similar story. How A Mandel.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
I was gonna say, Howie Mendel is a very similar story.
And I think what I'm hearing in all of this
is that you have to be if you show up authentically,
if you show up with your as your true self,
good things will come to you. And it's really it
kind of reminds me of this really special and profound song.
(48:16):
I know. It goes the itsy bitsy spider when up
the water spout, Down came the rain and wash the
spider out. Up came the sun and tried all the
rain and the itsy bitsy spider. You know what it did,
you guys, It went up the fucking spout again. And see,
you just got to keep on fucking going. And metaphor,
there you go, a metaphor. And on that note, you guys,
(48:36):
want to play a game.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
Sure, let's do it and are gaming. We're gaming.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
You guys are super gamy. Okay, So here we go,
and you do get to win something. If you go,
you win the game, you get a prize, is what
I'm Rosie. Okay, So Rosie, here we go. We're going
to play a game. Let's do this. We all know
what a rachnophobia is. It's the fear of spiders. But
not all phobias are as well known. We're going to
(49:13):
now read you a few others and you have to
pick from multiple choice options as to what these fears mean.
If if you are able to get two out of
the five correct, you will win something from my wife's
horder's closet. That's what I call it. It's a horder's closet.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
It's a collection. And actually understand, you're very understand.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
You're very lucky, Rosie, because this week it's a new item.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
I recently appeared on the TV program Pictionary, which we
have to do together, and they gave me a little
gift basket and inside it was Pictionary. Rosie. We know
you're a big game night officiado, so we would like
to send you this mostly because my wife does not
want me to keep another game board in the house.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
Okay, thank you. I will try to win when I.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
Think that Dakota might like it.
Speaker 4 (50:01):
I mean it's it's fun.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
Okay, here we go. First, phobia cool raophobia. It's spelled
c O U l R O P h O B
I A. This is gonna help with your jeopardy.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
It is is this fear of chlory?
Speaker 1 (50:22):
Nice one? Here are your choices. Is it the fear
of vegetables, the fear of crowded theaters, or the fear
of clowns?
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Cool of roophobia?
Speaker 3 (50:34):
I'm gonna take clowns.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
She's gonna take clowns.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Yeah, have you got that right?
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Rosie?
Speaker 3 (50:39):
There you go. I want that.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
Hell yeah, good job. Way to go. Okay. The next
one is hemophobia.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
Is it the fear of blood, the fear of high
top sneakers, or the fear of feathers?
Speaker 3 (50:53):
It would be number one, the fear of blood.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
That is correct, Rosie is too smart for this game.
You've now officially won this.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
Prize. Do I get to win another prize for answering
the red?
Speaker 6 (51:05):
Well?
Speaker 2 (51:06):
Yes, let's get more stuff out of here. At Jenson,
get another game let's keep playing another prize, Let's keep
playing what's.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
The what so good?
Speaker 2 (51:15):
I want to play with her all the time, literally jeopardy.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
Okay, this phobia is called pog pogo no phobia, pogo
no phobia. Is it the.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
Fear of grapefruits, the fear of beards, or the fear
of tall trees?
Speaker 3 (51:34):
Tall trees?
Speaker 1 (51:36):
The answer is.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Fear of beards.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
Beards?
Speaker 4 (51:42):
Well, see, what would I know being a lesbian, I
don't even pray attention to be phobia.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
You would only need a beard, not have a beard.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
There you go, Okay, yeah, exactly all right.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
Our next phobia is teraphobia.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
Is it the fear of cheese, the fear of game parks,
or the fear of hairy fingers? I fear harry fingers,
no matter what, I don't care what it's called.
Speaker 4 (52:06):
Yeah, I agree, I'm not into the harry fingers. Let's
say that one.
Speaker 6 (52:09):
Harry Harry fingers.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
It's the fear of.
Speaker 4 (52:14):
Cheese, tual fear of cheese fromage. I was gonna go
with that because French trimage.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Okay, here's our last one.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
This is fine. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
The last phobia is clinophobia. Clinophobia hm hmm, it looks
so like it looks that looks so gynecological.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
Okay, is it the fear of small dogs, the fear
of cut grass, or the fear of going to bed.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
Cut grass?
Speaker 2 (52:50):
It's the fear of going to bed.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
I thought it was the fear of Lillary Clinton.
Speaker 3 (52:54):
What does it matter. I won the prize. That's all
that we know.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
I feel like every child between the ages of zero
to ten has clinophobia.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
I have clinophobia. I don't go to bit till five
o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 4 (53:05):
Anyway, I thought it was fear of clina clinophobia.
Speaker 1 (53:09):
Yeah, she said, Hillary Clinton said, Hailey Clinton, all the phobias.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
Well, you know what, this has been an absolute pleasure.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
Oh I have one last question.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
Go where'd you get your glasses from? Because they are
the most epic pair of glasses scene.
Speaker 3 (53:25):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (53:26):
Now it's a very sad story because I am too
old to read the side number that are so little
that I can hardly remember the name.
Speaker 3 (53:36):
Now it's a Japanese.
Speaker 4 (53:37):
Designer, something like Machada Mercurie. Oh okay, that's it's two
with an M an M and then a space and
then another round.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
I'm going to go search for those next time cover
we'll look forward.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
We'll check it out next time you come over.
Speaker 4 (53:53):
I'll know where you can look it up because you're
younger and you'll be able to see it.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
Thank you, Rosie, You're a joy. I have just enjoyed
getting to talk to you. I loved coming to your
house the other day. You have so many.
Speaker 4 (54:05):
Please come next time and we will make you whatever
it is you like to eat.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
We love you.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
We love you so much again giving you your flowers
because she's Rosie. Rosie o'donnald International star from the Flintstones.
Speaker 3 (54:21):
Don't forget it, man, don't forget it.
Speaker 2 (54:23):
I can't forget it.
Speaker 1 (54:24):
We love you so much.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
I love you both to come over to have a
great rest of your day.
Speaker 4 (54:29):
And you know what, this was the best podcast every.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
Yeah, you're the best, Rosie.
Speaker 3 (54:37):
I love you.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
A mensch, a mensch. She's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
She's absolutely brilliant. But you know, we fucking didn't ask
her what she would order Jerry's famous Delhi oh Man
bagel chips or Matzabel sous.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
I can't believe I got to ask her little text her.
It's been a pleasure working with you. Miranda piermand may Day.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
You know what, Raven Simone, Christina Pierraman.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
May Day, she said my middle name.
Speaker 2 (55:09):
She said the whole fucking middle name. I said the
whole fucking government name. Oh, the government really into saying
fuck today.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (55:17):
It's been a pleasure. It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
I learned a lot. I did not know about the
woman's uh heart attack situation. I definitely want to look
into that. Make sure you're healthy, you guys, mentally, physically, emotionally.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
Listen to this is my heartbeat song and Kelly Clarson
come on our podcast. You guys, thanks for listening. We'll
catch you see in.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
Bye everyone.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
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Speaker 2 (55:52):
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Speaker 1 (55:57):
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Speaker 2 (56:04):
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Speaker 1 (56:07):
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