Episode 5: Raven & Miranda

It’s another hosts-only episode and this one gets spicy! Raven & Miranda break down the current Lizzo controversy and have thoughts on what is, and isn’t, acceptable. And Raven divulges a childhood secret that she’s never shared before.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
A bing bad a boom.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
It's my birthday month, that's right, it is. You're a
I'm a Leo, and I've noticed that when my birthday month,
August rolls around, crazy things start happening. What it gets hot,
it gets humid, people do crazy ass things.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
I feel like there's a lot of stuff in the
news right now. We've heard about aliens. Like you said earlier,
you know, when we were sitting on the couch talking,
You're like Joe Biden. There's just Joe Biden period, period, period.
There's just stuff all the time. I mean, Pee Wee.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Stories, Pee Wee Harmon rest in peace.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
So sad, I mean, there's just been so many things
Angus Cloud there. It's just it's been this overseeming. You know,
it hurts my heart.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Because of Banks. I have a sick ass supreme knit
sweater in my closet and also great entertainment. But he
could dress his ass on.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
He was a real he was a real one. That's
really really sad. I know, I'm just like, so happen, Yeah,
pee Wee Pee Wee was also Lizzo. Lizzo's being sued. Why,
I know, it's pretty Why.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
I don't know why I didn't even heard this. What No,
I don't pay attention.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
To the are you living?

Speaker 2 (01:31):
I'm gonna break it down for you really quickly, and actually,
all right, let's start from the top. So Lizzo is
being sued, as is her production company, as is her
dance captain, shirleyne Quigley. Now, fun fact, ask me why
I am Facebook friends with Shirlene?

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Why are you Facebook friends with Shirlene Quiggly? Great question, babe.
We have a mutual friend.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
I met her a couple of years ago, actually more
than a couple of years, years and years ago, and
haven't seen her or anything like that, but we are
face with friends.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Fun fact.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Anyhow, So there's a thirty seven page lawsuit that has
gone out against Lizzo, her production company, and her dance captain.
And there are nine different complaints, I guess, but a
few of them are hostile work environment, religious harassment, racial harassment,
and assault. Oh my god, Lizzo.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
I thought she was supposed to be the poster child
for joy and body positivity and like, you know, just
happiness she out here in these streets.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I think that that is part of why people are
so shocked because of that public persona, which also to
me then lends itself to what we do in our
culture of idolizing people. And I think there's one conversation
where it's like, look, if you're going to like someone's music,
just like their music, don't make them more than they are,

(02:56):
because then when something like this happens, you're so dis pointed. Yeah,
and you're so shocked totally. And I think it is
hard because we have a tendency to do that make
people idols.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
But I just feel like, then when you put people
up so high, they're only going to fall. It's sad,
but that's the way, you know, I was taught about
the industry. They build you up to break you down,
and you really have to be aware of your surroundings.
You have to be aware of what you're doing on
an everyday basis within this industry because anything can trigger
someone to make a lawsuit against you. Oh my goodness,

(03:34):
has lived by the woke, died by the woke? Wow
by the woke? Yeah, who's woke? Lizzo's woke? True? Well
obviously not she out here cousin Lee's lawsuits, That's what
I'm saying. So here's the deal. Let me tell you
what was happening.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Okay, So three of her dancers have filed this lawsuit,
and they were saying that basically after concerts and they
were going on tour, that Lizzo would force them into
going out and having experiences that they didn't want to

(04:07):
partake in and they couldn't say no. They felt that
pressure of if I don't do this, my job is
on the line. That sucks and that's really scary and hard,
and that's something that I think really impacts people in
their work environment and then disables them from being able
to make the choices they want to. So there were

(04:29):
things being reported, allegations that we're saying that like in
these clubs, the dancers were forced to touch people's bodies
that they didn't want to touch. There was something about
bananas being inserted into bodies that then they were asked
to eat.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
I'm sorry they're out here having a whole striper night
out and complaining about it. She was paying for it?
Was she paying for it? Babes. I'm just saying, Lizzo,
invite me next time. I'm down for the costs.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
So you're just saying that she had employed me, she
had the wrong audience, the wrong friends.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Well, no, no, no, it's not fair that if you
felt that you would get fired if you didn't perform
these acts. That is unfair and requires justice. But I'm
just saying, Lizzo, maybe you need to find new friends
who are down for the cause.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
And totally I guess. But those dancers also witnessed preferential treatment.
So it was like people who did go and probably
were down for the cause got treated better and had
perks that than others didn't have, which QUI procuo.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
In a workspace, you.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Can't have that. That does create a toxic work environment.
And I wonder in the industry do you think that
it is just always kind of like that and then
it just takes one person to start talking about it, like,
have you seen or witnessed things not like this but similar.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
To I mean, I'm sure I have. It's hard to
say because I have always been in a scenario or
work environment where youth is around, so you're not. I
definitely do not create a hostile work environment where they
feel like they have to do something and they get
preferential treatment. I mean, other than make me laugh, if

(06:13):
you make me left then I'm like, ah, you're great,
let's keep going. If you don't make me laugh, I'm like, okay,
let's go to acting class. But like I never really
had to deal with the adult version of but of
quid pro quo, which is something that is lovely. For
the company that I work for, we get constant sexual
harassment classes at the beginning of every season to let

(06:33):
us know what's okay, what's not okay, what the climate
of this society is when it comes to understanding how
to ask someone to do something and what's okay and
what's not. Because let's keep it real. From the nineties back,
anything was up for grabs, like you know what I mean,
Oh you want this job? Coming in my office and
nobody said anything until you know, hashtag me too came out.

(06:57):
It was just a part of the lexicon of entertainment
industry for so long. But nobody's taken that anymore.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
And do you feel like tour life is so different?
Like we're talking about dancers. I know that you've gone
on tour and we've had conversations about this or you've
told stories, but even from my imagination, it's just like
you're living together, you're changing together. Dancers are comfortable in
their body. We see how they are on stage. I
mean everyone is very touchy feely. It's kind of like,

(07:23):
where where does the boundary lie between professionalism and making
sure that everyone feels safe in their work environment then
also having this kind of very personal relationship that dancers
and people on tour kind of.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Have, right. I mean again, you know, when I was
on tour, I had a whole bunch of guy dancers.
The majority of my tour. I had some girl dancers
here and there when I was younger. But when I
was older and I was on tour, within Sync and
Mandy Moore and all of them.

Speaker 5 (07:53):
Like Sink and Mandy Moore. I'm sorry, what say it again?
Not marciting say it again? I already dropped it. Catch
it when you can. But when I was on tour
with them, I had a whole bunch of guy dancers.
And obviously I did not change in front of them,
and they did not change in front of me because
I was underage, and that would.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Be that's a boundary. However, you know, we had our fun.
We were at fairs, we were here, and then I
would go to my room and they would go out
at night, and then I'd hear about all their stories
within reason of respective age boundaries, about their nights, and
then I was like, I can't wait to go on
tour with you guys when I'm of age. And then
finally when I got older eighteen, then I started to

(08:29):
see what the world is, and it is the line
is very blurry, especially in music. But when you are
in a non office setting, when you are traveling with people,
you become quote unquote family, and the lines of boss
blurs unless someone doesn't do their job appropriately and you
have to give notes later, you have to fires, you

(08:49):
know what I mean. So I could understand how the
lines get blurred, and at the same time, it truly
is up to the boss, the star, the celebrity, the
outside team, the tour manager, the music director to keep

(09:11):
one foot out of the chaos, to make sure things
are going well. And obviously somebody was afraid to do that.
But there's a lot of I'm sorry to keep going.
But there's a lot of celebrities who hold such power
that even their team are scared to say. I mean sadly.
I can bring up R Kelly in that instance, his
team around him saw what was going on and what

(09:31):
was going on with these girls, but they were afraid
for their job and didn't say anything.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, and that's really a really hard place to be
in when you are stuck between Okay, my job matters
on the table, Yeah, food on the table, or whatever
the motivation is for you. I mean, there is like
food on the table, but there's also like maybe you're
somebody who's trying to work yourself up the ladder. You
know that if you lose this job, then you lose

(09:57):
the opportunity. But then also ethically and morally being like
this is wrong, and I think too. It's like in
this situation, there was conversation about Lizzo deciding to have
auditions over again with her same dancers, so she was
like very upset about something. This is also part of

(10:17):
what's in the lawsuit and this audition. When they came
back from a tour they were out of the country,
they came back into the United States and Lizzo was
not happy and said, I'm going to re audition all
of you. And it turned out to be like a.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Twelve hour audition.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
People were afraid to leave, and one of the dancers,
who's who's filing this claim urinated on herself because she
could not leave to go to the bathroom. And that
is so extreme and it doesn't make me wonder like
how are so many people co signing onto that being
okay meaning not having a break, pushing someone to the

(10:54):
point where they go to the bathroom on themselves. But
then also like what that?

Speaker 1 (10:59):
I know why because she's the top artist in America
up underneath Beyonce, Lizzo is he?

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Oh my god, babe speaking out Beyonce. That's another thing
that happened. Beyonce apparently has a lyric in one of
her songs where she says something about Lizzo Lizzolozzo, and
in one of her recent concerts she did not say
Lizo's name.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
She's just a bad, bad bad I mean I like
that better anyway, But.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
I mean that's that's that's a statement without making a statement.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
My question is, Lizzo, what's you about to do? Because
you know we're in cancel culture season and are you
going to hide? Are you going to get all your
brands pulled?

Speaker 6 (11:39):
Like?

Speaker 1 (11:39):
What is our society going to do? Because we love
to punish people, so what is that punishment going to be?
And you know, it's sad and she shouldn't have done that.
But listen, We've had Michael Jackson, dancers, Madonna dancers, Elvis
performing and band members and it's literally just the time
period that we're in because I can only imagine the

(12:02):
stress and turmoil that action. I'm gonna be rude, melish
sorry that actual massive superstars have had Elvis, Michael, Madonna, Janet.
I mean, you can even go back to Rolling Stones
and all these people. There has been so many massive

(12:23):
megastars that Lizzo can't really sit in the top ten
when you look at the history of music that I'm
sure the crew and background dancers or background singers can
tell some stories about when they feel quote unquote abused
or sexually harassed, and it's like, okay, well not anymore.
That culture is gone. It really is. It's wild.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
I mean, yes, I'm sure everyone has stories. And back
to what you were saying about what Liz's gonna do,
who knows. But Shearlene went right to her social media
and made a calm and she released a video that
just said God is so great and that she had
the best time on tour, and so she didn't talk
on it, but she released a video. And this is

(13:06):
an interesting thing for me in knowing the little bits
that I know about her. So she is very very religious,
and that is something that has shown up in this lawsuit,
is that people felt pressured by her religious conversation. So
she was very, very pushy and aggressive with her beliefs.

(13:26):
And when she found out that one of these dancers
was a virgin, she started discussing it quite frequently and
also then making very bizarre sexual remarks.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
So there's this whole.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Murky area within that world. But I know that from
some personal stuff, like I don't believe that she's fully well.
I think there is shirlen. I think there are some
mental health issues at play here.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Find me someone in America that doesn't have mental health issues.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
You can't you can't throw a broom, what is it?
You can therew a stick without hitting somebody and exactly
whatever with a mental health issue. But she went missing
a few years ago.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Where was she?

Speaker 2 (14:08):
And it became this thing right And I knew this
only because I was seeing people repost And she went
missing a few years ago and then was found and
she was just like wandering.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
She was she wanted to take a quick little stroll
for the next three days that type of thing.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Wow, It's just my point is is that I don't
think she's mentally well. And then when you put somebody
who's a bit unstable in such a high position.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Stress position, a high stress position. So what is her
job title? Her job title is captain of dance squad. Wow,
she is captain of dance squad. She thought she was
going into high school with some batons and stuff, but
she ended up on the stage with Lizzo and now
in a lawsuit. Poor girl. Well, I guess we're gonna
be watching her walk down the street soon for days,

(14:55):
back back down, back down the street. You go, Shirley.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
I mean, but everyone, it's just all that to say,
let's hope that that doesn't happen until she is out
of this humidity, right.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
I just want to know how much money they're going for,
because Lizzo's ripe. Lizzo's ripe with the with the cash
flow right now, that's going to suck on Lizzo's part.
And you know, I hope justice prevails, which every way
it wins, I hope justice prevails. I'm not sitting on
either side, and I'm sure you're not either, and we
don't know, and we weren't there. So I just want

(15:30):
to disclaimer that we're just, you know, shooting a ship.
So if you have judgment about what we said, just
know this is home couch conversation. So go sit down.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
Let's spind the wheel. And the word is augmentation.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Augmentation us all mentation me. I feel like, okay, weel,
you just grew up. She's got a real adult on us.
You gave us a whole five syllable word.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
When I hear augmentation, the first thing I think of
is lip augmentation.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Let you you know, it's finny. My dad had lip augmentation.
What Yeah, he had bottler No, he had his bottom
lip reduced. I remember that is a real lip augmentation.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah, that's like a certain yeah. Because when I hear augmentation,
I go, okay, plastic surgery.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Or recipes recipes for augmentation.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
I don't know, Like I think about Ina Garten, who
who makes caramelized onions in olive oil and butter, And
in my head, I'm like, no, you just need one,
So I augmented the recipe.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
I don't even think about Aina because I don't like
the way her food looks. Sorry, augmentation, got it not
butter or just oil or vice versa. Especially with an onion,
it cooks itself. I mean dougmentation for me, augment I
kind of go into like machine, whoa, you know what
I mean, Like, I'm going to augment this machine to

(17:09):
make it work for me. That's what I think about.
But yeah, I think about plastic surgery as well. Oh,
I always think about plastic surgery.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
I mean I read an article today that said that
because of the strike, more and more people are getting
well celebrities specifically are getting plastic surgery. And this Beverly
Hill surgeon was like, we are so at capacity because
people are just like booking, booking, booking, because.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
I wonder if any of them were going to my
plastic surgeon. Who's your plastic surgeon? Well, I actually share
a plastic surgeon with Kelly Osborne's mom, Sharon Sharon.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Oh, Sharon is nipped and tucked tunny.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, we went to the same plastic surgeon. I had
two breast reductions in lip but before I turned eighteen?
Did you say, what should I.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Act more surprised? Oh?

Speaker 1 (18:00):
My god, what I know? Because you know, I've never
said it, I never shared it, but like, well, you
haven't ever shared it publicly. I knew this because.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
I know that body.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Oh she's all the scars. But what's making you decided
to share this right now? I don't know. Maybe because
it's a safe space space space. I mean, wow, bab,

(18:28):
you are safe with me?

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Oh yeah, biggerbuds of the four thousand people listening, I.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Love those yo, four thousand yop loved your show. We
were looking for fifty thousand, but we got four thousand.
We love y'all. Anyway, it is a safe space, baby, okay,
but yeah, I'm sorry. And you also said before the
age of eighteen. Yeah, before the age of eighteen, which
means you were a minor. Correct. There was paperwork involved.
My dad suggested strongly that I should get my breast reduced.

(19:00):
I breast read it. So that's ten times best I know, right,
And he was like, so you don't feel bad? Is
there anything you want? I was like what? I was like, Yeah,
if I get lightpo, will people stop calling me fat?
And so I got a two for two for one,
so the oh the lightpo was free in my head.
That's how I was presented and then and it was
just like a mess. It was just a mess just

(19:21):
being that young and the pain of it all. Honey, Yeah,
I was gonna say, what was the recovery? Like I disassociated,
So the recovery was, you know, a little painful. I
have scars. I still have scar tissue to this day.
And they actually I gained weight after and had to
like go back for a quick little like a little
bit more out because they were still too big for

(19:43):
others feelings. That was the number two. That was the
number two. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Wait, So did you go to like a recovery center?
Because my sister had her tonsils taken out and she
went to a recovery center and it was this like
bougie house that all of these women who had just
had facelifts and boob jobs and whatever done and they
were all walking around and then she's just like, ah
my don soils.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Huh hilarious. Yeah, I went to a recovery center, but
that was for my that was for another procedure. So
after this one, you just went home. After this one,
I went home. I don't think I went anywhere. I
might have gone like for a couple of days, but
I don't remember because I was so young. I'm gonna
be honest with you. I was like dissociated. And that
first one that I had, I actually had a seizure

(20:27):
when I woke up from the surgery. And I remember
waking up and seeing everything and I was like nah,
and then I just started to have this dry mouth
and couldn't breathe. And then I went back under and
they were like, oh, yeah, you had a seizure. Thanks
for telling me. That is so was it from the anesthesia.
I don't know what it was from. I didn't really
inquire until later because they didn't. It was a long.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Story, Dan Babes, we should know because in case you
ever need to have anesesure again, I should know if
that causes.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
You to have seizure. No, for sure, when I had
my am your emergency conduct this is true, you are.
When I had my other little proceed You're done, I
had in the station, I didn't come. I didn't have
a seizure, So I think it was just like specific
to that moment. Did you have anesthesia, Yeah, obviously your wrist. Yeah,
I had anesthesia when I broke my wrist, for sure. Yeah,
And I had NSTZ when I got my wisdom teeth pulled.

(21:14):
So I'm good. It's just like just knowing that the
reason I opened my eyes and like couldn't swallow or
breathe was because I was having a seizure, and like
remembering that moment but not remembering the seizure kind of
like still freaks me out a little bit.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
And maybe that was just a lot for the body
to handle. I'm sure restruction and you were probably do
you remember how long the surgery was?

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Well?

Speaker 2 (21:36):
I asked that because one time my mom told me
that she had a surgery and it was supposed to
be like a thirty minute thing and ended up being
like a four hour procedure.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah, I mean mine was definitely longer than two hours.
I mean they did a lot. They had to reconstruct it.
They had to like shrink things because certain things were
overly stretched. We're talking about Aerola's year. My areo was
absolutely massive because I had like triple d's, Like I
would sit down and my titties would just be sitting
on my knees and with no brawl, and I was

(22:06):
like my back slash kind of like him. The boys
always looked at me.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
I mean, come on, now you've had a nice little
part of me is like, holy shit, and then part
of me is like jealous.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
See you're it's funny. It's funny you said that because
you always say that I'm a titty girl, but you are.
You are. No, I'm not, you're not. What are you?

Speaker 4 (22:26):
Then?

Speaker 1 (22:27):
A body? I like the body, the faulting body. You
got a perfect one.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
But you I've heard you say, look at them titties
quite a bit.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
I'm admiring it. But I've also said looking at it,
as I've said all the body parts. I also said,
look at them chofs. Yes, the caves. That's all I got. No,
that's all I got going for me. That's not true.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
I mean, you know, I think so. I think I
could have a little bit more junk in my trunk
or a little bit more of a titty and it
would make me feel sometime of way.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Oh, you can look at your body and be like
you are perfectly proportionate to your length and size and
hair color. This is true. Couldn't use my hair color? Yeah,
get out of here. Oh my god, what do you say?
What do you really say it? I'm saying that I
love your body. Thank you? I really love your body too,
thank you. That's what I'm even with all its scars,

(23:21):
all of its scars emotional and physical.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
I mean scar tissue though. That's a real thing, and
I think that people should talk more about how to
handle themselves post procedure, post augmentation.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Because.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Scar tissue holds trauma, like you've said before, and there
are certain things you can do to help avoid creating
greater scar tissue, like lymphatic massage and drainage and things
like that.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
And cupping, like my wife really got me into cupping
because of my scars, and because I've been going, like
my skin is loosening after so many years, and I
can like digest better after so many years. And it's
interesting that you said that there's so many augmentations happening
during the strike, because I wonder if they're going to
claim it. You know, there's so many beauty influencers down there.

(24:11):
I'm like, I was born like this, Mitch, know you weren't.
I see the triangle inside of the nose cavity. I know,
damn well, you got your nose done.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Those That's an interesting thing because you know those celebrity
instagrams where they compare of persons before and afters. I
was thinking about that recently because I saw a picture
of myself when I was like twelve years old, and
I look at myself now as a thirty six year old,
and you've even done this with me. Well, you've looked
at me and you're like, you sure you to get

(24:40):
your nose done, Miranda, you sure? And I did not
get my nose done. I have not had any work
done to my face. And what has happened is my
face is changed as I've grown. Yeah, and that does
happen to people.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
And it does happen, and sometimes people start so young
and you don't even know what your face is going
to end up looking like.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
And I feel like that's really scary and toxic for people,
because when there isn't appropriate communication about what's happening, or
young girls like the ages of fifteen, sixteen, seventeen are
having procedures done without giving their bodies time to really settle,
then you never know because listen, twelve year old me
would have totally been like, sign me up for buckle

(25:24):
fat removal, sign me up for the chin and plants,
sign me up for the nose job, sign me up
for that, I don't know forehead rising.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Sign me up for all she was on a forehead.
She actually wants a six head? Who wants a six head? Yeah?
I want to a sixth head.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
But my point is I would have done all of
those things then, not knowing that puberty age time would
have changed my face kind of naturally, like I my
nose slimmed out somehow, like my face elongated. But that's
just part of what happens. And my point was that,
like when we see some of these comparisons, you see

(26:00):
like young Margot Robbie next to Margot Robbie today, I
do not know if she has or hasn't had work done.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
So I am kind of just like her augmentation of
any kind. Yep.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
So I'm kind of pulling this out of my ass.
But like she could be like me and just have
been somebody who face changed. But these websites are going, oh,
she did this to her nose and she shaved this down,
and then young girls are seeking it out.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
So what I hear you saying is that Kylie Jenner
is actually natural. Clearly, this is great to take to
our therapist because this is proof of how we don't
communicate well, because I want anything about Kylie Jenner, what
is that Kylie Jenner grew up looking like that's what

(26:45):
she looked like when she grew up.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Hell no, we can tell that Kylie Jenner has had
work done because Megan Deciable grew up and looked like that. No,
Megan Fox, Kylie Jenner, their work is undeniable. You you
see such a significant change. But I'm talking the more subtle.
I'm talking about when you see somebody put like j
Loo at the age of fifteen next to Jaylo at
the ages just.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Don't talk about Jlo.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
She's queen next to Jaylo at the age of fifty three,
and they're like, look, she's clearly had this, done this,
done this. And then what I'm saying is it just
plants the seed in some people's heads to think that
that's what they have to have to attain that where
I'm saying, look, give yourself a little bit more time
and make the decision at twenty five.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
I think that there's some people like Jlo where it's like, Okay,
your augmentation. If you did anything was beautifully done. You
didn't just pick it out of a book. You did
it to make sure that you stay fresh in light.
There's some augmentations out there that I'm like, you look crazy,
you look absolutely crazy. And then there's some where I'm like,

(27:47):
whoa if you didn't have that, you know what. I'm
happy you got that augmentation because you needed it. But
a lot of the times where in this plastic surgery
world for beauties standards, I don't agree with needing it.
You know, I see a lot of lip fillers. I
see a lot of cheek fillers, see a lot of this,
and I'm like, maybe not for you, Like you could

(28:10):
have found the beauty in your natural state and allowed
you know, someone who might have gone through a car
crash who needed lip reconstruction or you know, cheek bone
reconstruction zygomatic arch reconstruction for those cheek implants. Sorry, what
this is zygomatic arch. It's the bone that makes your
cheek bone. Wow. I'm a painter, Okay, I paint. I

(28:33):
know the body. But I think that Patilla, I think
that it is true of babes. It's like you've got
to let your body settle in what it's going to do.
But at the same time, there are people at a
young age like you know my septum. I have a
deviated septum. You know my eye is kirk and I
got to tuck my ears. It's like this ideal even

(28:54):
before you grow into who you are, that our society, parents,
family members, royal. I mean that was that has been
going on for forever around the world. This is very true.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
So do you regret having something done so young because
you didn't really let yourself settle?

Speaker 1 (29:12):
I don't know if I regret it because they grew
back and but not to that of a size. No,
but not that bit of the size. And I say
that because if I didn't have it and they grew
the way they grew now with my titties hang to
my ankles, you know what I mean? Like, did I
prevent double z's from happening rather than just sitting in

(29:37):
a nice double D cut right now?

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Do you regret the fact that I can't say? Do
you titties hang low? Do they because you got them?

Speaker 5 (29:45):
They do?

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Hush it, but not that low where I'd be saying
that song to you?

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Do you regret that?

Speaker 4 (29:51):
Can you tie them in?

Speaker 2 (29:52):
And that?

Speaker 4 (29:52):
Can you tie him in a bow?

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Can you throw? Though?

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Neither confirm nor deny it. I'm gonna confirm that. I
can confirm that that's like your party trick.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
They're still snackable. Listen, I can't believe we're talking about this.
We're not gonna talk about my taties anymore. All right, Well, I.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Just mean in terms of like your relationship to yourself
and if that when you I know you said you
just associated, but if you had a moment of like,
oh wow, I feel amazing now or I feel different
or I feel great.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
I mean, shirts fit, shirts fit well. But even though
I got the breast reduction, nobody knew at that age,
and I still got reamed through social media because I
wasn't as skinny as everybody else and they still call
me fat. So it's like, you get that done and
it's still not what everybody wanted to see. So it's
kind of in that mindset of I could have or
I could have not. I mean what it did do, though,

(30:47):
is like remind me how important it is that if
you want something changed in your body, live with it
for a little bit longer, like we were talking about,
to see if it changes, and get therapy before that happens.
Because you know, a tummy tuck or liposuction, you know,

(31:09):
the smaller versions of it actually work. Like if you're
just trying to do a little love handle here and there,
blah blah blah, tip tip tip. But if you're trying
to do what I was trying to do, which was
like get rid of belly fat, that it didn't get
rid of my belly fat because what was actually happening
was that my liver and my body was my hormones
were off. So I was going to gain weight whether
or not I had light but or not.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah, it's like if you're looking for a quick fix,
or if you're looking for something to try and or
if you're trying to attain something that you've idealized, like
a certain figure, then it's probably not ideal. I think
that if you are in a position to go, okay,
I just want to like make this little tweak, this enhancement,
and then I'm going to feel so much better about myself.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
That's I deleted that everyone has that progative. And I
mean like, look, there's a lot of people that have
had augmentations, like a Pamela Anderson, like a Black China,
like some of the these women out here now they're
like I'm taking them out. I'm over it. I don't
want that look anymore. Well, not that long ago.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Actually, Kylie Jenner, speaking of Kylie, who's all natural, she's
all natural, talked about regretting getting breast and plants. I
think at the age of nineteen, and I didn't listen
to the full thing, so bear with me, but I
know she was saying that she regretted it, and I
know she was saying she wished she had waited. I
don't know if she's had her breast implants removed, but

(32:26):
she said after having kids in particular, it was a
very different breast experience.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
It's a total sense. It makes total sense, and it
also just feeds into the narrative that as society gets older,
stick with me, body styles change and they return. Roman times,
the thick girl was in Okay. You could not tell
a Roman man for nothing that a skinny girl was beautiful.

(32:52):
She needed hips, booty and titties. Then nineties America, if
you didn't look like you haven't eaten in years, you're
not going to beautiful heroin, heroin chic, and then the
Kardashian era. If you didn't look like you were skinny
as hell, would you got a big ol'd air and
then it didn't work? And you know, corsets from the

(33:14):
eighteen hundreds to now. It's like humans will change what
a beauty standard is at a drop of the dime.
And the fact that we have technology to augment our
bodies in a such invasive way injections now we have
to liquidize those injections because what the material was used
for was dangerous. Like it's just a constant, cyclical pattern,

(33:36):
which is another reason why I'm like, maybe just wait,
wait until you get a little bit older, see what
the trend is. Because all those people who plucked their
eyebrows to augment their eyebrows back in the nineties, they're
not happy right now because they can't crow bay.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
But that's even coming back now.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Thanks me.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
About now, there's this whole thing with TikTok doing those
things for you. There's filters that like show you what
you look like with different eyebrow styles, and would show
you what you look like if you had love filler,
And it's giving people ideas as to what they might
look like and if they want to do it. So
I feel like we're such a hodgepodge of things But
one thing that you said that stuck out to me
is you said that humans are doing these things, and

(34:17):
I wonder if it's humans or if it's men setting
these standards.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Do you how much I think it's men, and then
a couple of those women underneath the men that like
to just tute a man on. But I think it's
I think it's I think it's companies. I think it's companies,
and I think it's the men that run those companies.
But I do believe there are some women in there
who set a standard of what is beautiful, but they
could be influenced by a man, because we do have
women in power from back in the day that did

(34:46):
not pick a beautiful black woman in her thickness over
a skinny white woman because they felt that the white
women would sell more magazines. So there are women that
has also prevented body images, you know what I mean.
But on an overall, I think men are a huge
culprit when it comes to women's beauty and what we

(35:07):
do to make sure the man can look at us
in a certain way. You know. I think that's definitely
a part of our society.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
I think it's interesting because I mean, I definitely heard
you say that your father strongly suggested you do that.
I know for me, I've had experiences with my own
dad where comments were made. One thing my dad, I
remember he told me that I should have all of
my freckles and moles removed and that would make me
essentially more beautiful. He was like, there's just too many

(35:35):
of them. And I was young at that age, and
I remember really changing how I related to those spots
on my skin.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
And here's the deal.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
I understand, if you have like something that's hanging off
of you or getting caught in your jewelry, sure then
maybe you go do that to enhance your quality of life.
But I didn't have that situation. And then at the
age of whatever, I was eight nine thinking, oh man,
I have to do this, which in my mind it
was considered painful to.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Be considered okay.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, And can you imagine if I had done all
of that, you wouldn't have anyone to play connect the
dot on.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
I know, Babes, I really like your moles. And that's
the thing. It's like everything is through the lens of
another person until you're able to take those lenses off
and sharpen your own lenses anything between you know, born
and I'm gonna say eighteen because that's what the law says,
but I think it's a little bit younger. I think
right around thirteen fourteen, you start seeing yourself a little

(36:40):
bit more, but you start seeing yourself for the lens
of what your parents have told you about yourself and
what your friends have told you about yourself. And if
you have a human in your family that is critical
of your size, that is critical of what your hair
color looks like, that is critical of how you write,
critical of how you speak, you're going to start soaking
up that and augmenting yourself to make that person happy.

(37:03):
But that's not making you happy. That's just making sure
that you have a safe environment so you don't feel
that criticism. And as we get older, that thought process
changes into this is what's wrong with me? And then
we start having self doubt and lack of confidence. And
it's sad because rarely, rarely will a child grow up
and feel like they are absolutely perfect left and right.

(37:24):
We play like we do. We put it as our mask,
but you know, even if somebody was like, ugh, you're
skip wrong, that might scar a child one day. Yeah,
And then the next day, like you skip, well, and
the child's like, well, which one I don't know?

Speaker 2 (37:40):
You know, yeah, And you never know how sensitive that
child is and how deeply they'll receive that criticism, because
you often hear people say things like, you know, I
grew up under the same roof as this person and
we have the same parents. But at the same time,
I was thinking about this because I used to be
someone who said that I would compare myself to my

(38:00):
sister and be like Mimi and I grew up under
the same roof with the same parents. But then I
realized we didn't have the same parents.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
We didn't, but we didn't have the same parent dynamic.
You have the same parents, you didn't have the same
parent dynamic, right, But they were different people.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
By the time that my sister was born and my
father left when my sister was two I was seven.
My mom's mental state was different, the world was different.
There were five years had passed. They already had the
experience of a first child, like she did, have a
different experience and different messaging.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
And the younger ones always do. It's always the first kids,
especially in the years that we were born. Yeah, parents
were different back then. It's totally true, you know. I
mean second kid, oh they failed, they good first kid.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
I mean that still exists. I see that even with
my friends who are having kids right now. Where the
first one it's like I am so terrified to feed
them solids, and the second one is being fed solids
by the first one, exactly.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
And then it's also, like you said, even though you're
growing under the same roof and you have parents, even
though they will grow up after certain kids grow up,
it's still a different human Just because you come from
the same body doesn't make you that person. You are
your own person with similar attributes and jeans, but you
are a different human being, with a different spirit and

(39:20):
a different path. And you will sit at the table
with you know, chicken, rice and gravy. One kid just
wants the rice. One kid just wants the chicken. That
shows you right there that they are going to experience
things different. I want everything. Oh my god. I used
to be so jealous of my brother because he would
be able to get chicken, rice and gravy, and they

(39:41):
were like, no, just chicken for you. You got to like
keep your weight in link chicken, ricegar My mama would
make it you would put rice and chicken inside of
a casserole dish and then cover it in a mushroom
soup from Campumbells. Oh my god, but I used to
eat that. It was just out out that he would
have that.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
I've never had that. I've never had that. Oh it's
so condensed mushroom souits, so I feel like it's always
in green bean castle.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Yeah right, yeah, we didn't really make that. That's a
little bit in here on your side of the street.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
On our side, I have never been to a white
people Thanksgiving that had cream bean castrole just saying I
have So is there anything else that you would augment
about yourself about myself?

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yes, I would have an eyebrow transplant. What Yeah, the
way my eyebrows grow, you guys can check it out.
You can google me. And when I was a child,
my eyebrows grew upside down, let around. I had this
conversation so many times. But I have them tattooed now
because there was a point in my career where my
father was like, time to get your eyebrows taken off.

(40:48):
They look too weird, and so got them shaved off,
and then I started drawing them in. But now that's see.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
It kind of goes back to the trend thing that
you were talking about, because now so many people are
getting micro blading, which is what you do right, or microplaning.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
I get the microblating. I got micro blading because my
eyebrows don't grow right. So I used to get like
judged for going out without drawing my eyebrows. In my
Grandma used to call me that bird, remember the bird
from Snoopy would stop because she said that my eyebrows
looked like his feet. So I was like, all right, Grandma, okay,
so rest in peace, lady. But I was like, let

(41:26):
me get him to add it because I don't like
to draw, you know, I don't want to makeup. Yeah,
you know. So I got him micro bladed and I
love him. But it is because back in the nineties,
in the early I mean in the late eighties, I
wore my eyebrows and nobody tripped.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
But what I'm saying is so crazy, is like back
then when that was happening to you, no one was
talking about it. Nobody would have been like, oh.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
It's fine.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
And now fast forward, there's a solution for it, and
so many women, even women with not upside down backwards,
see through eyebrows are doing this thing, and so it's
kind of proves your point of atting things, settle a
little bit in yourself and then seeing where the cards
kind of fall. Because society, culture will dictate something in

(42:09):
this world standards.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
I literally believe that one because when I was younger
in the industry, thick girls, big girls were not popular.

Speaker 7 (42:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
It was just like, you're fat, plain and simple. You
have to be the best friend. If you're black, you
have to. And then now thanks to people like Lizo,
I guess people are giving her the credit for it.
Thick girls and bigger girls are out here thriving in
their best bodies. But you know, just one hundred I
was thick my whole life. So for all of those
that were hating on me, I stayed that way. You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
You're just a singular soldier, one person marching.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
There were some I remember, there were some girls in
the industry. I'm like, how come they're not getting like
Amber Tamblin. She had hits her whole life. Yeah she
still does, she still does. And I appreciated that about her,
you know what I mean. But then there were other
ladies out here that just always skinny in that we
were you know, paired up against and it's just not
you know.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
It's so wild to me how some people are just
so comfortable in their bodies and then other people are
so uncomfortable in their bodies, And I wonder how much
of it, Like, I would love to do a study
and see how many of the people who are really
comfortable grew up with parents who were encouraging them, or
grew up with you know, people that mirrored like looking

(43:26):
shaped to them with confidence versus how many of the
people who are uncomfortable had negative messaging and see where
the cards kind of fall, because it really fascinates me,
especially as somebody who's had so much discomfort in their
body and so much confusion. It would just be so
interesting to me to know where this all comes from.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Really, can I can I actually bring up another type
of augmentation? Yeah? Bonsai trees. Oh, bonsai tree is an
augmented tree. Humans manipulated to make those shapes for quote
unquote aesthetic beauty. We do it to plants, Oh my god,

(44:11):
we do it. Tell probably so many more things. We
do it to so many things. We augment so many
things because we think we can make it more beautiful.
We think if we change something. I brought that up
be with. We have a couple money trees in the
room and I'm like, oh my goodness. You know a
bond side designer that is a family business. It takes

(44:34):
sixty eighty years, yeah, to create these beautiful pieces of art.
But they're augmenting, they're manipulating. They're changing the natural structure
of this tree or a clipping, and like you said,
a study. But the thing is is we've been doing
that forever. We take a piece of rock and we

(44:55):
augment it to turn it into an arrowhead, to kill,
to eat. That's all humans know how to do, is
to change from its natural state to make something quote
unquote better or useful for us. So it's embedded in
our system. I agree. I agree.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
That's so interesting to think of that way and to
see it in other forms of things that we deem beautiful.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
We augment cows to make it wago. Oh yeah, we do.
We augment the feeding of a duck to make fog
wah like mean foga. We are always augmenting. How about
you catch that in your sock and suck on it.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Catch that in your sock and suck on it. It's true, babes,
we are master augmentors.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
Wow, human beings just do that.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
But I guess what I get try to get at
or would like to know the root of is where
that standard of beauty is created?

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Like who decides what is beautiful? What is worth augmenting?
What is exactly?

Speaker 7 (46:00):
He says that that's okay, exactly and do the study.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
There's a game on the horizon.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Let's play a game. For today's game, babe, And with
the theme of augmentation, We're going to get two different
plastic surgery procedures and we have to decide which is
more expensive done. These numbers are from the twenty twenty
Esthetic Plastic Surgery National Databank Statistics and two hundred and

(46:40):
eighty eight participating plastic surgery practices across the United States
of America.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Let's go, Let's go, Let's go. These numbers only reflect
standard procedure costs, which include surgeon and facility fees, and
may not include fees for anesthesia, medical tests, prescriptions, surgical garments,
or other miscellaneous costs related to your procedures, which is aftercare.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Gets yeah, right, whoever gets two right first wins and
the loser must read our final podcast credits and the
weirdest voice they can come up with.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
I cannot wait. I mean, I hope I lose.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
I hope I win the chance to lose.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Oh, that's how you play a game of some kind.
Let's play.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Okay, which is more expensive?

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (47:27):
A Brazilian butt lift or a tummy tuck?

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Okay, let's talk about it. A Brazilian butt lift requires
an implant also known as the bbl Oh, the bbl
a butt implant, some injections here and there. A tummy
tuck requires the corset snatch along with your abdomen being
pulled down in a reconstruction and taking out of the
belly fat by the FUPA.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
And maybe and maybe a new belly button.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
A reconstructed belly button. They'll move it and change it
to where it needs to go. They also have to
take into consumer iteration, like the stretching of the skin.
So I'm gonna say a tummy tuck is more expensive. Oh,
I was gonna say Brazilian butt left. Okay, who's right? Oh,
I'm a rat. The tummy tuck is more expensive. There's
a lot more muscles they have to deal with.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Not fair.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
That's because you probably, like asked your plastic surgeon when
you are getting your boobs done some questions like that,
and I haven't had the chance because I don't have
big enough boobs.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Well, a tummy tuck is six thousand, six hundred and
twenty two dollars and a BBL is five four hundred
and eighty dollars. Not too much difference, close, close enough.
Let's get this next one in upper arm lift or
a vaginal pa.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
You can't read vagina plasty, listen.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
I was just when I saw it, I was like,
is this.

Speaker 6 (48:42):
What I think it is?

Speaker 1 (48:43):
It is? Okay? An upper arm lift with you?

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Or would you not get a vagina plasty?

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Define it? Like? What are we doing or are we
dealing with the lips?

Speaker 2 (48:53):
I actually don't even know, but I think it's when
they make you tighter.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Well, I don't have to worry about that anymore, so
I'm probably okay. Okay, listen, let's talk about it.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Oper make it prettier or maybe they do, like.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
But then my mole will get removed, Then my little
freckle will get removed.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
You guys, it's true breaking news. I have all the
moles and beauty marks on my body where you can
see them, and Raven has one on her vagino plasty
and she's keeping it.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Okay, which is more expensive an upper arm lift or
a vagina plasty?

Speaker 2 (49:24):
And I'm saying, I'm guessing first, And I know you
like to break them down whatever, but I'm saying vagina
plasty just because of what you're dealing with. And like,
if you accidentally niptuck the clit, you're done as a doctor.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
That was a great sentence, nip tuck the clit? Like
that is who who got bars for that one? I
need somebody to write sixteen bars for the nip tuck clit. No,
not you, not you. That's what she made.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
She gets it when I rat okay, my name is
Miranda Mayde. I got that means eminem we connected.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
I went there, you went there, Okay. So I just
want to break it down. An upper arm lift, that's
talking about. You know, when you pull your arm out,
the thing that hangs from the back, that's not a lot.
That's just a quick little removing a fat and sewing
it appropriately. You'll probably have a few stitches by your
armpit vagina plasty that does require a lot more nerve
endings and reconstruction in a beautiful way. So I would

(50:22):
actually say a vagina plasty is more expensive.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Okay, we agree on that.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Upper arm lift. Upper arm lift. An upper arm lift
is four thousand, six hundred and seventy five dollars and
a vagina plasty is three thousand. They don't care about
the vet.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
I was just gonna say, they do not care about
the vult I bet you it was a man who
created the vagina oh plastic.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Literally he which isn't tired of all this looseness. I
gotta get it.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
The word is weird vaginoplasty.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
That's what it is.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
That's what That's why I said the yeah vegeta. I
actually have a friend who went through the procedure of
getting the tightening thing.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Oh yeah, yeah, she was down for the cause. All right, everybody,
I'm in the lead one and Miranda has zero.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Next up, penis enlargement or upper body lift. It's for
sure an upper body Well you know what, in today's world,
it probably is a fucking penis lift because whatever.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
No, no, no, it's probably not the penis piea lift.
It's not even called a pa penis enlargement. It's probably
not the penis enlargement because it's guy to guy's like, dude,
I'll do this for you for like fifty cent. Don't
worry about it. I got you. I know what it means,
you know, to be warm.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Cheese, to be like, oh, I got a penis enlargement
and I spent ten bags. I don't know why he
talks like this, but it's not cooler.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
No, yes, it's cooler. But if I listen, if I
was a dude and I was given out penis enlargements,
I'd be like one for you, dude, one for what
you do.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Do if you were sleeping with a guy, and obviously
I wouldn't. Okay, right, first time you're having sex with
a guy, stop it. First time you're having sex with
the guy and he's like okay, you're getting into it whatever,
and he's like hold on, hold on and pulls out
a penis pump.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
First of all, i'd be watching and just like that.
So I don't know what would I do. Yeah, I'd
be like, let me see what that looks like, Doug,
can I listen, We're not going into that. Oh, I
know what you would do. Never fucking mind. Does this
fit in there? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Exactly, You're so bad anyway, I okay, we're going upper
well we upper body.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
I'm going to say, okay, listen to upper bodylift. That
is obviously something that's very invasive for people who have
lost a whole bunch of weight or just have extra
skin and fat. So I'm going to say an upper
body lift. I am too. Upper body lift at eighty
three hundred and sixty seven dollars versus a penis enlargement,
which is seven thousand, nine hundred and sixty How do

(52:45):
they is it a what is it a penis enlargement? Well,
it's not a bone, it's cartilage. So I don't know.
If they inject some type of malleable implant, but metal
could you have?

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Then you have a bionic ew and then in a
clicker it would be like a telescope type of mechanism,
and then ill, I don't even want to talk about penises. Okay,
Well it's still one zero, yes, so we got to
we got to do something here. Let's do it perspiration
reduction or non surgical vaginal tightening. That's what I was

(53:19):
talking about. The vaginoplasty is definitely like cutting of lips,
I find out, making it pretty and whatever.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Hold on, let me just imagine it. What is it?

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Because you know how some vaginas like listen, I had
a friend who did some report for women's studies where
she had women send her photos, anonymous photos of their vaginas.
There are some wacky looking, oh babe, bulbos out there.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
We're not thinking what. We don't know what a vagina
plasty is. Let me tell you what a vaginoplasty is. Literally,
a vagina plasty is the creation of a vagina or
vulva from your existing genitalia tissue, including penis or sproutum.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Oh so it's a transitional tans that is a true
augment that is a true augmentation, and then a vaginal tightening,
tightening the vagina.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
It's yeah, because we thought the vaginal clast you know,
some girls be like wings and then you shrink them
down to like little beef curtains.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
That's how I Oh god, I'll tell you there was
this rumor in high school about a girl who had
beef curtains, and I never knew what that was.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
It's okay, sweetheart, it's Okay, your your vulva is yours,
and it's beautiful, just the way it is beef curtains.
We are the reason.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
We are showing why women have issues.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
We are literally doing We were raised by men.

Speaker 6 (54:37):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Oh my fucking god, this is horrible. Okay, I'm gonna
say that the non shoo. Yeah, I'm gonna say the
non surgical vaginal tightening is more expensive than the perspiration reduction,
because I think perspiration reduction is just done with botox.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Interesting because I was gonna go with the perspiration reduction
thinking that it had to do with glands and kind
of reduction of thing. But botox sounds interesting, just like
botox in the armpits. Which I'm gonna you know what,
I'm just gonna go out on the limb. I'm going
to say that the perspiration reduction is more expensive, and
you're gonna go with the vagina lightning, I mean tightening.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Vaginal lightning.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Let's go. I pulled it out of my bobby.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Yeah you did.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Oh it's the non surgical vagina tightening, which is one
thy two hundred and thirty six dollars and the perspiration
reduction is nine hundred and ninety five dollars. It's one
to one. Now it's one. It's always one to one
with us.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Oh, we need a tiebreaker, tiebreaker?

Speaker 1 (55:32):
How much is a cheek implant known as a malar augmentation?

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Oh, you just were having a conversation about this the
other day when I did not ask the price.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
They also went out of the country.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
So how polite of you.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Cheek augmentation. So here's the deal with the cheek augmentation.
There are a couple of kinds. There are kinds that
you can just place a piece of silicone in that pocket,
or you screw it into your bone and that's a
lot stronger and stays. You also have to have your
incision and things like that. So I'm gonna guess that
a cheek implant, also known as a malar augmentation, is

(56:13):
around five thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Babes, literally, that was what I was gonna say. But
I'll say five thousand, two hundred and four nine to nine.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Okay, the price is right in five four three two one,
I win. The price is three thousand, six hundred and
sixty nine dollars.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
You are too good at this.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Game, honey. I'm in the industry. I know all the surgeries.
Holy well, I mean clearly you can tell when someone
has it. I just know what happens when you get it.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
That's like my six sons, it is, it's your superpower.
I'm like, oh, she had buckle fat removal and a
little bit of lip feller and had her nose done
with filler versus Yeah. Yeah, I'm good at that.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
And a brow lift and a brow lift a brow
lift anyway. Augmentation is dangerous if done incorrectly, if not
done with the right mental space, if done in a
country that is not charging you correctly.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
I think you can't care flimp on your.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Can't scamp, you know.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
I think a beautiful thing about augmentation is it can
be there, It can happen by choice, it can happen naturally,
and as long as.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
And it can happen in need, because we've seen some
amazing surgical procedures that like from a car crash or
if you have a very huge accident and you need
full facial reconstruction. Like beautiful reasons for augmentation.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Yeah, and as long as I think that people have
good understanding and education as to why they're going to
do any form of augmentation, whether it's on your house,
whether it's on a recipe, whether it's on your body,
then it's not dangerous, like you said, not necessarily always unsafe,
and like you said, there is sometimes need for it.

(58:06):
And that's why I think that accepting ourselves and what
happens to us throughout our lives is really important. Acceptance
versus resistance. And I hope that we as a society
can start to just feel more relaxed in the bodies
that we are, and then when we choose to have augmentation,

(58:29):
it's a positive. It's an enhancement that makes us feel
more confident, or it's that feeling of a good hair day.
It's like getting a blowout and you're just like, oh,
I'm feeling myself.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Or a new weave grade out here in these streets.
I don't know. I really don't have faith in society
to allow for natural beauty to prevail.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Well, it has to happen in the individual. And as
long as we keep having these conversations and telling people
our truths and the industry continues to shine lights on
things like that, maybe change will happen.

Speaker 6 (59:05):
I hope y'all I hope she'll I hope shall well.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Well, I can't wait to hear what crazy voice you're
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