Episode 8: Lilly Singh

YouTube sensation / Talk Show host / actress / director / producer / hair God, Lilly Singh joins The Best Podcast Ever to talk about her evolution in the entertainment industry and how her dreams came true after remembering her favorite Fabolous song. Raven, Miranda and Lilly also discuss the differences between Old Fame and New Fame and what they all first bought when they made money. And - can anyone ever really get cancelled? Raven thinks so. This and so much more based on one word for The Best Podcast Ever…

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
You know who.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
I felt like, Yeah, Jack Black, how did you know?
Because I could see you channeling him?

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Yeowish Boma Jablowski. What a good YouTube channel.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
You know? Remember when you had never seen that YouTube
channel and then I showed it.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
I didn't realize that I was missing so much in
my life.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
It's truly fantastic. My favorite favorite moment out of all
of his videos is when he goes to the arc
Light Lord of the Ring style. He is like playing
on the roof, but then goes into that.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Little weird protein to carry.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, I mean they make like protein shakes or whatever
it is, because the gym was it just the way anyway,
he goes in there and finds Jack Black Creams and Notions,
and then he does this whole little bit about that
he's a great name, haven't made a cent of these
and then decides he's gonna start his own products line
and call it Leonardo DiCaprio Creams and Motions.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
Holy shit, I love Jack Black.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
My favorite one was when he redid the Game of
Thrones theme song and was just running around l a.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
Oh he's so oh my god, Jack got to be
my friend all a day.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Jack, Oh, you guys should be so funny together. You
and Jack Black.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
Yes, just yes, so good.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Who who's the most famous person you've ever worked with?
What do you say?

Speaker 4 (01:41):
Michael Jackson?

Speaker 3 (01:43):
When I was younger, he was receiving an award and
I presented it to him. So that's like worked with
and Matt exactly. That's like half and half because I
was working but then I met him.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
You know what, I didn't think you were going to say,
Michael Jackson?

Speaker 4 (01:57):
Who do you think I was gonna say?

Speaker 2 (01:58):
I totally thought you were going to say, Kermit the Frog.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Oh oh, let's not underestimate the power of Kermit the Frog.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
You know what you write? You write Kermit, I got
you boo.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Literally, no joke. You remember that, Oh my gosh, you
singing what's it called Rainbow Connection.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Connection the Lovers, Dreamers and Me.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
You're three years old or something like that, and you're.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
So fucking cute.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Man, You're just like there and then you're singing with
Kermit the Frog, who's probably honestly one of the most
famous people.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
In the world. He's I think he's right up there
with Mickey Mouse.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Do you think he identifies as a person or a puppet?

Speaker 4 (02:41):
You know what touchy subject.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
I don't want to here, I am getting myself in
hot water.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
I don't want to offend the frog community right now,
the puppet or the puppet community, or the greens. Oh,
the greens, well they can be offended.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
The greens, the green community, Choe Shard.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Frogs, frogs, babes. Who's the most famous person you've ever
worked with? Her? Met?

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Oh? Worked with or met? What about slept with?

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Are we going there? Because we could have a whole
nother podcast about that.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
I mean, you know, we could worked with or met,
or slept with or hung out with?

Speaker 4 (03:25):
No slept with or what about?

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Got a gift from?

Speaker 4 (03:28):
Do that one?

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Because I think the most famous person that I've ever
gotten a gift from, no joke, is probably the person
who gave me the jersey I'm wearing right now.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
Wow Wow.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Sadly, I can't say the same. But yes, she's definitely
in the top.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Sure, she's definitely, she's she's yeah, yeah, she's in the
top time and she's kind. Because here's the deal. I
didn't even want this fucking jersey. I didn't even think
it was happening. I didn't even I wasn't even expecting
it. It wasn't my birthday. It was the only one to
two of us who play soccer. Yeah I did. I
played some ayso soccer for about a week and a

(04:09):
half until I was like I'm over this. Yeah, Like
everything I did in my childhood was like I need
to ride horses, I need to take piano, I need
to go to theater school. And I did it all
for a week and I was like this sucks. So anyway,
I did that with the aoso. Wow.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Some people would call that affluent gone wrong.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Affluent's gone wrong, but they really.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
You could just do anything you want, but then be
like I'm not going to finish.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Bye.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
My mom was like whatever find out. She's like, I'm
not going to fight you.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
Miranda, You're too strong for me.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
And I was like, great, I'm seven and I hate
wearing shint guards. Take me, take me somewhere else. Anyway,
back to this really famous person who gave me this
jersey I didn't ask for. I appreciate the fact that
she got my name spelled correctly.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Though well.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
She she cares, she does her research. She knows so
much about us, it's surprising.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
She clearly knows so much about us. She definitely sits
in her bedroom late at night doing research on us,
figuring out how to nurture this friendship.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
I mean I would, you would.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, it's kind of what you did on her this morning.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
This is true. I'm not gonna lie. I'm actually there's
things that I.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Have to reveal to her today hopefully will.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Deepen our friendship.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
It definitely will.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
I think it will.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Let's go deep with her. Let's let's go real deep.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Let's go real deep.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
I can't wait for it.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
Well, being that this person is the most famous person
that's ever given you a present, we should also just,
you know, run down her list of famousness. She twice
Forbes list of most influential slash rich ass people, movies,
a song, YouTube, YouTube. She worked with the likes of
Maroon five, Alicia Keys. She's out here writing, directing, starring, producing,

(05:57):
lighting a movie. We thought Kiki Palmer didn't.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
No, she did it.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
This is true. She also co hosted the Oscar Red Carpet.
She just like Big Deal.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Just Big Deal, had her own show for.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Most she had her late night show.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
She's actually a part of the Disney family right now.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
She totally is she knows something about puppet slash muppets.
Bring it back to our main man, Kermit the Frog.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
Looka luka here.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
You guys didn't know you had that in common, did you?

Speaker 3 (06:25):
I know.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
I'm sure. I'm glad you researched it. You're welcome anyway, everybody.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
That's right, we have on the best podcast ever.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Listen, thanks for having me, guys coming over here.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Okay, I gotta I gotta bring the vibes.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
Down a little bit.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna just do it.
She's gonna tell you. Okay, well, I tell you a secret.
We're gonna like ease into it.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
But so first, let me say this is no disrespect.
This has no reflection on you as a person. This
has a reflection on me as a person, fully one
thousand person.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
Gart I'm fully already.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yeah again, this is purely on me and my dumb assness.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
Okay, Okay, Lily.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
When I met you a year and a half ago,
I had no fucking clue who you were. I did
not know that you were on Forbes List twice. I
did not know that you had over a combined two billion.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
Views on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
I did not know Superwoman exclamation point, exclam.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
I've seen you.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
I'd graized by it. I was like, Oh, she's great.
I love this.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
Yes brown people, I were a writer.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
She didn't know that you had a late night show.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
I didn't understand by of Lily Singh.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
And I still wanted to be friends with you because
I thought you were such a fucking cool person. You
turned on, you knew how to work, and I was like,
I want to be your friend. Then I looked you
up and I was like, Raven, you need to get
out of your house and do like understand that other
people live in this world.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
I am obsessed with the story, mostly because let me
share my perspective, which was the first time I met you.

Speaker 4 (07:59):
I was talking to her the producers of the show,
and they were like, Oh, you're gonna beet.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Raven and I have a really good feeling you're gonna
get along great because you seem very very similar. You
both seem like you hustle, you're very professionally cool. And
then I met you and you were so warm and
welcoming and seemed like you knew.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
Everything about me.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
In fact, I even went to my team member after
we talked and I was like, Raven is so prepared,
like she knew everything about me, So your acting is
on point?

Speaker 4 (08:25):
There, where's that is hilarious? Yeah? I was like, because
you don't even ask me. You're like, so you started
on YouTube and you were like asking me all these questions.
So I don't know where you pulled that from.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
I have my ass I told you to known that
she started with.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
Well, no, they said that she's from YouTube, and I did.
I saw you on YouTube. You were doing.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
The video that I saw was you and the other
Indian female comedian that's also on YouTube, Liza. Yeah, no,
not Liza, there was another one I suck anyway fill
in the blank, and I saw you. I was like, oh,
she's funny. I do watch Eliza as well. But honestly
they told me this.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
I was like, yeah, sure.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
I also don't like to know a lot about someone
because then I start creating a story in my head
and then I'm gonna be like I don't like you.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
But then I never met you. I'm so happy that
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Know, because after she met you, she comes home to
me and she was like, Okay, first of all, I
have a new best friend. I love Lily so much,
and I was like, I've already met Lily, which you
probably don't even remember. Not to say that I knew you,
but you and I Lily met. No, No, you're never
gonna remember it, Lily, don't worry. But we met at

(09:34):
your show, your late night show, because I came with
someone who was doing your show and I was like
part of their entourage team whatever. So I meet you
very briefly, and then turns out somebody that I also
knew from the past was working for you any whatever,
It doesn't matter anyway.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Can I ask? Are you allowed to say? Who did
you come with my late night show?

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:52):
I came with Redta. You don't remember me.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
I don't remember at all, but I know, but that's awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
I came with Retta and I met you there very briefly.
Reredda ate a sandwich and got an electric shock.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Such a weird thing to bring No, she ate a sandwich?
What do on your show?

Speaker 1 (10:14):
No?

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Not on her show. She cracked it during glam she
ate a sandwich.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
Shoes Larry and as she didn't remember.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
An election anyway, This is not the point.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
It's an important thing to bring up because my late
night show was poor and we had no food. So
you mentioned that she had a sandwich. Makes me understand that,
like she brought her own sandwich, because.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
Like, so it actually does provide context. Okay, I'm glad
you're working for the record.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
I also when I met Raven, came home and I
was like, to my dog, I was like, I met
a new best friend. I feel like me and Raven
hit it off immediately. I was obsessed immediately.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
I think it's also because we commiserated slash connected over fasting.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yes, yeah, but you liked to see there's fasting and
then there's Ravens Like I was like, yeah, I intermint fast.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
I woke.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
I was like, I'm so healthy. I actually intert fast.
You know, I starting on one, I stopping at nine.
I'm like low carb, yeah yeah yeah. And Raven's like, oh,
I haven't.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
Eaten in the past month, very fast, four seasons, all
all the fall. I was fast. I'm like what.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
And then she showed me proceed to show me this
calendar on her phone was her fasting.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
Skins, like everything in red means I'm not eating and
I'm like.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
So spring, Like, I was like what, And then and
then disclaimer disclaimer, she's very healthy and disclaimer disclaimer.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
But I was like very impressed by your your strictness
when it came to that.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Super strict And then Lily asked me to host one
of her unicorn eyelid events, and I showed up on
a fast and I'm like pale.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
And they're like white.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
You were like actually dead that that's the day that
you look at her. First of all, I was felt, bitch, no,
my waist was so sna she had pulled a muscle
in her neck. I you guys, remember and remember your
team is amazing. And then like running to get her
patches because Raven's like the only thing that works for
me is CBD patches. So like Lily's team is running

(11:58):
out to get these things, so rave the weed.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
So the event was about like, you know, gender equity
giving back to girls, and Raven is hosting, but she
cannot move her neck at all, so she's like asking
people mind.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
She's like and you.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Should give money to the girls because I'm like, is
this such a deranged sight I'm seeing?

Speaker 4 (12:16):
But like it was iconic, It was truly iconic.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
It was your iconic Lily, your iconic you have so
many amazing things that you're doing.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
I also looked on Wikipedia to do my research for today,
and not.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Only do you have a fantastic nonprofit called Unicorn Island,
but you also went on tour with the same name
and really building a brand. And you built a brand
from the bottom up you yourself. So the main question
that me and my wife both want to ask you is,
unlike a lot of people in the YouTube industry that
don't really cross over into Hollywood as well as you have,

(12:51):
how has that transition been.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
Do you miss YouTube?

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Are you starting to feel the pressures of conglomerates, Like
what's your journey right now?

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah? I mean that has been the majority of the
last couple of years of my life has been this,
especially I think Late Night was the biggest instance of that.
Before that, I was making YouTube videos like two scripted
sketches a week daily logging, like a lot of.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
Content was going on YouTube. And yes I had a team,
but my team was.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Like, you know, my editor and my my camera person
and a gaffer maybe if I wanted to be fancy.
You know, Night got into Late Night and I vividly
remember my first day there was one hundred people on
set and I was like, what do you all do?

Speaker 4 (13:30):
Like what is this now? Someone came up to me
and said, I'm the script something something that I was like,
say what now? Like it was just there were so
many people and so much red tape, and it was
definitely a difficult transition when I realized I have to
like run jokes by someone and there has to be
like a legal department like clearing things, and I'm like
what I can't just like do and say what I
want to do and say. So it was definitely tough.

(13:51):
Having said that, I think there's pros and cons for both. Right,
I really love YouTube. I still think it's the best
place to build a community social media in general.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
I think community building like having people care about what
you care about and like finding like minded people. Social
media is great at that. I don't think you necessarily
get that in traditional Hollywood. You don't watch a movie
with an actor and actress, and for the most part,
you don't be like, oh, I'm personally invested in that person.
It's more so like I'm invested in that movie or
that character, but I don't really know this person, and
so it's harder to build a community in my opinion.

(14:22):
Having said that, it's also social media is bittersweet, it's
also super and healthy. You know, there is there is
no rules, there's no red tape, there's no HR there's
none of those things, and so it can be all consuming.
So I think I definitely love pieces of the digital
part of my life and pieces of the traditional part.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
But right now I'm leaning. I gotta say, I'm leaning
more into TV and film. I think I just like that.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
I like taking my time to make something and to
make r and to get into character and for it
to not be so disposable.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
Word on YouTube was like all right, posted a video
edit it, wrote it today, shot it, posteday. Okay, on
to the next one. Got to go go go go
create it on demand. Where's a movie is like okay,
let me like what would this character do? How can
I like make this art? So they're just different, but
it's definitely been tough.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
So paint a little bit of a picture for us.
Where did this all begin?

Speaker 1 (15:14):
For you?

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Like you're a little girl in Canada? Do that?

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Please like that Americans for this reason because I love
all Americans say Canada, And it's like so the equivalent
of like, so there you were in the United States
of America.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
So it's so broad and I love it because all
Americans do this. It's like and now I started to
speak like that to my Canadian friends. So remember when
I was in Canada and they're like, shut up, you
mean Toronto, the city here from What's wrong with you?
Oh yeah? So I hear, let me paint your picture.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
The year was really closer to Mike we want to hear,
like I'm gonna do.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
The year was twenty ten. There I was in my parents'
house because I'm brown and I had no choice. I
had to look with them.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
And I was in the basement of their house and
I thought, I'm a sad person and I don't want
to do what I'm doing in school. I'm getting psychology degree,
but I don't want to do anything with it, and
I hate Freud.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
And then my friend was like, have you heard of YouTube?
And I was like, this sounds kind of dumb. I
was my first reaction. I was like, it sounds kind
of dumb. I don't know why anyone would do that.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
And then I started to play around with YouTube and
I saw people doing just the weirdest things. But the
cool thing was they were doing what they wanted, They
were telling the jokes they wanted to tell, they were
doing the tutorials they wanted to do, and there was
no rules. It seemed like people were just doing what
they wanted to do. And so I posted my first
YouTube video thinking nothing of it. I truly did not

(16:37):
think I would make another one. I did not think
it would go anywhere. I did not think anyone wou
watch it. Seventy people watched it, and I vividly remember
when the computer box was like, what would you like
your user name to be?

Speaker 4 (16:48):
And I was like, oh my god. One of my
favorite hip hop songs is a low MoU featuring Fabulous
and Superwoman. So this seems like a great decision. Let
me do this because copyright doesn't exist. I'm a stupid,
stupid person. And then I put it.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
I put it I, and then Superwoman was taken, so
I put an II Superwoman I mm hmmm mm hmmm,
And there I was, and one video snowballed into another
into another, and I just got obsessed. I have a
very obsessive personality, and I was like, I love this
and I love being creative, and like I was even
a nerd about it. I had like a whole Google
doc with like how many followers and views because back

(17:24):
then the analytics were weak, and so I was doing
it myself.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Well, one video snowballed into another snowballed into another, and
then now you are directing, writing, and starring in a
Hollywood slash.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
Canadian wood film.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Can you tell us a little bit about your journey
that you just took that no one could text you
on our group text because you were so fucking busy.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
So yes, I have a production company called, you know,
Credit Island Productions, and we work with stuff that's all
to champion underrepresented voices.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
I'm just like, I'm trying to make stories about women,
about bipod community, but the queer meaning, but just everyone
that's ever had to have their stories go through someone else.
Those are the types of stories we're trying to tell.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
And so yes, I just did a project which I
can't say too much about, but it is a let's
just say it was a film that really took me
outside of my comfort zone.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
In various various various ways. It was sexy, it was
a little sexy, and you two know me, You know
me that I struggled to be sexy. You know, I'm
a little bit rough around the edges in that department.
But your girl, your girl came through your girl. I'm
gonna say, and Raven, you might be really baffled by this.

(18:34):
I wear dresses. I'm sorry what yuh huh?

Speaker 2 (18:38):
No, Lily, you're sexy in the other way of sexy.
You're like, yeah, daddy sexy, like.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
You know what I do.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
You know, you're absolutely correct. I am a daddy. But
I'm saying this and you might see me be sexy
as like like a lady.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Lady.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
I don't even know.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
Can you even imagine that?

Speaker 2 (18:57):
I know?

Speaker 3 (18:58):
I actually no offense. I don't want to, like you're
my bro.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
I don't want to. I don't want to look at
you that way.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
But I also will appreciate it because I know what
it feels like to switch on camera.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
Oh yeah, totally Like okay, now I'm gonna sit with
my legs crossed. That part of wide open both of
us like me.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
I have a question. I just want to circle back
to something you said earlier about YouTube and people who
were just kind of like putting whatever they wanted, not
really thinking sharing their thoughts. Do you feel like now
we're seeing people paying for their edgy content.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
You mean, like it's come back to bite them.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, I think here's that I'm gonna get spiritual and
deep for a second time because I literally just had
this conversation with someone and here's the thing. Do I
think people should be held accountable for things they've done
in the past that are problematic. Yes, I'm not denying
that if wrong has been done, people should be accountable.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
However, I also see a lot of unhealthiness and danger
in this idea of like everything from our past has
been canceled.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Like I feel like every day I'm on the Internet
and there's a show that now is no longer acceptable,
and there's a person that's no longer acceptable, and there's
a thing my parents said that are no longer acceptable.
And I'm like, two things can be true at once. Yes,
in today's day and age, that thing could be considered problematic.
However I can also really like that thing and value
that thing, and it played its role in my life.
And I think that that is My answer to that,
is that two things can be true at once. And

(20:25):
the one thing I will say is, you know, back
to Raven's question of my transition from the digital age
to traditional is I kind of always had that in mind.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
I never wanted to be a temporary, great creator, and
so I never really did the super sensationalized and like
risky type of stuff because I wanted a career. And
I do think anyone who wants to have longevity in
their career should think about that. It's like, will a
brand work with me? Will a network work with me?
Having said all of that, the real real, because I'm
gonna keep real with y'all, has anyone truly ever been canceled? No? Right,

(20:59):
I acink we're all about like, oh my god, this person.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
But like all the people who got super super canceled
years ago, if you look at them, they're.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
Making the bag.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Well actually, actually there is actually one, and I am
a ripple effect of that cancelation.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
Rows and really no, no, actually, because.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Of the cancelation and the situation, I no longer am
on television on a certain show that started my career.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
That makes total sense, Okay, and you know what, let
me put a caveat to that. Some people will get canceled.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
But what I mean is like, when we think someone's
being canceled on I think we assume like they're going
to cease to exist and stop doing the thing.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
But like, but they still have to live.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
They still have to live, they still have.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
To live, They're still going to make their money.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
And the majority of people, I am going to say,
with the exception a few, we cancel them and it's
a whole thing. And then a year later they're like, O, hey,
I just signed a deal for a million dollars. And
this is very true, especially.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
When they're white and male.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
But there are there are then situations like the one
that you just referred to, that are kind of true
cancelations and then actually have the ripple effect, like you said,
of impacting people because people stop actually making money. So
if you don't get your residual check, you're losing money. Now,
you know, like there are other people who've become then impacted.

(22:14):
It's such a such a weird it's such a weird.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
I want to say something, and I don't know if
this is a conversation to be had. I just want
to get my point out.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
I'm a little bit of a judgie person.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
And when I was watching YouTube and I see some
of the stars rising on YouTube, there is this mentality
in me where I'm like, you're not learning how to
be famous.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
There is a time period.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
In traditional Hollywood where the slow rise to fame creates resilience,
creates understanding and education on how to deal with the community,
on how to deal with fans, and not you, Lily,
because you're a different human, which is why I like you.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
But there are some.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
People in your old world where I'm like, you don't
even know how to be famous.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
There is a tact to it.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
It's very, very true, and we've seen I think we
could probably all say we've seen new fame. And what
happens when you talk about that is it's money that
comes very quickly, all of a sudden, and recognition that
comes very quickly all of a sudden, and the person
doesn't know how to balance that. And oftentimes, when we

(23:20):
are talking about it right now, in kind of a
negative sense, it's people then become completely overwhelmed by their
life and the access they have all of a sudden,
and they don't handle themselves in the best way. But
then there are people see but Lily, even in just hearing.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
You talk, it's different.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
You're clearly very smart to know that you wanted to
do something, and you wanted a career and you want
a longevity. Even if you didn't have your foot in
all the places, or you didn't have people who were
already there, you knew how to position yourself from a
mature wise standpoint, which may come from family values, from education.
Who knows, but not everyone.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
Has that, Not everyone has that. We listen.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
This is the best podcast I ever been on because
it's just boosting my self esteem in confidence. So I'm
not mad at anything you're saying, but no, I completely agree,
And honestly, it almost like not to be too unicorn
about this. It almost is like wants me to give
some grace to those people as well, Like it's not
it's I know, it's easy to be like, oh my god,
you're fame. I know the trendy thing to do is

(24:19):
like hate all famous people because what problems do they have?
But like, it's difficult. It is difficult people. All people
have problems. And I think you're absolutely right. There's a
lot of people who overnight and I think the difference
is rand to your point, I was not an overnight sensation.
Every one of my videos helped garner subscribers and helped
gardener views.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
There was not like an instant war.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
I was like, oh my god the next morning when
my videos hit two twenty million views, and now my
whole life has changed.

Speaker 4 (24:43):
But that is the case for some people.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
But they became overnight famous, and I can imagine that
being very difficult, and you being now in an environment
filled with people that are not giving you great advice,
that are not giving you great guidance, and now you
have a boatload of money that you don't know what
to do with, and bad choices get made.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
Yeah, bad choices.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
It's sad, and I wish that there was more, not
more regulation, because we don't need all the regulation. But
like you know, actors and directors and writers have a union,
they have education, they have a communal space, and you know,
I wish that for those who start, who want to
have fame, who want to get into the digital world,

(25:23):
you know, just a little bit of education, because I
want everyone to succeed. Obviously it helps everyone, you know,
but I feel sad.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
For those people.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
It's also intention though, and so when we talk about
writers or actors, most of the time those people say
I want to be an actor, I want to pursue
a craft, I want to learn a skill writers or
people who say I'm going to go to school and
learn how to write or whatever. There's a difference between
a person who has a set goal versus a person

(25:53):
who wants an idea that they're chasing in fame. Wanting
fame is very different than one to be an actor
or wanting to tell a story. Yeah, and so I
think that's something too.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
And I think that's what I witnessed in Lily when
I met her. She wasn't she didn't have that irritating
fame bug to her, you know what I mean, She
had work ethic bug. Like she and I commiserated over
the fact that the teleprompter wasn't working, and like someone
who's famous would have thrown a hissy fit, but we

(26:28):
were just like you see that right, Yeah, it was
like really down to earth realness.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Sorry, you guys are famous, Yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Like we do take a moment, Raven is substantially more
famous than me, Like I cannot be in the same
category as Raven. Let's just be real for a second,
Like you guys gave me the rich card trip or Raven,
you are famous famous? I am like casually kind of
sometimes depending on the room. I'm in famous you are,
like you are famous, famous, So let's just cut the.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
Crack, Lily.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
I'm sorry. Sorry, you were on the red carpet of
the Oscar.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
Yeah, like this is a true story. I'm gonna have
to say I was at it. I just came back
from Italy. Okay, I was at a wedding and I
had met someone, the bride's friend, who I've never met before.
And I see her from across the dance dance floor
and I see her doing this strangest motion ever. She's
like a weird persons doing this weird dance moves.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Doing this.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
I'm like, I go from like, what are you doing?
She's like that that's a Raven dance move.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
I'm like, stop, stop, no, but gift, you know, the
gift of your crab dancing?

Speaker 4 (27:27):
Yes, the crab. Yes, she was literally doing that. And
I was like, I have to tell Raven this because
Raven's so famous that at.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
This random wedding, all of the people here are impersonating
Raven at this fabulous Italian wedding.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
That's hilarious. That's hilarious. Thank you for the flowers.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
I'm just gonna like counter it a little bit. I
think there's a difference between.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
Like me and you in this sense, and I'm calling
you famous.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Like you said with YouTube, people know who you are.
They feel like they've been in your home as Lily sing.
People know me because of Raven Baxter, because of Olivia,
because of Nicole, Like they just starting to.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Learn me as a human.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
So yes, I'm famous, and I'll take that because yeah,
I've been in the industry for thirty something plus years,
but people know you as a human, so like, I
don't know, there's that difference. It's like the difference between
Tom Cruise. He's super famous and people know his life
now because he's you know, out and about, but beforehand,
nobody knew who he was.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Somebody who has had to deal with Tom Cruise fame
their entire life. I'm gonna say, I want to do
my most famous trick right now and say, spin the
fucking wheel.

Speaker 5 (28:32):
Lily Wheel. We're gonna spin the wheel. It's gonna give
us a word.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
We don't know what it is.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
Let's talk about it. Let's do a baby.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
I hope it's not fame.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
Oh, I hope not that.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
It's not the way islacamole.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
So are we still have a conversation about guacamole?

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (29:00):
Are okay, amazing. Here's the thing about guawk, right, I
feel like I feel like it's one of those foods
where it's really good or really bad poppy.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
I do feel that way. I feel like it's you
can mess it up. It's relatively simple, but I've had bad,
bad gualk. I also will say, for me, speaking of richness,
when I could get the extra gualk without any second thought,
that's how I personally knew, yeah, you were rich one
hundred percent. Because I actually one of the main reasons
I moved to La was Chipotle. People don't know this

(29:30):
that in Toronto there was one Chipotle and it was very,
very far, and I got bought my first place in
accordance to the closest Chipotle.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
I was like, it's walking distance. I love Chipotle. They
did not pay me for this. This hashtag not an ad.
They're not paying me. They should they should, Chapotle.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
If you're listening, okay, sir Chapotle, mister Chipotle.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
But I just remember the day being like, what's that
quack's extra? Don't even mention it. I don't even mention
you know you extra worth the extra money though, Okay,
I'm not a fan. I'm sure here's and that was
gonna fall up and say it kind of hurts my throat. Yeah,

(30:09):
I get it as a status symbol sometimes, but I'm like,
I think avocados kind of hurt my throat.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Oh they're like all avocados.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
Yeah, and I don't discriminate between avocados. All of them
hurt my throat.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Okay, So I love a good extra walk. One of
my favorite walks is the one that's made at the table.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
My walk.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Oh okay, now we get in fancy see the gualk
that's made at the table.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
You can decipher how many jalapenos, how much lime, Like,
it's just so good, the already made walk that you
get for no offense. Your favorite Chipotle or Carls Junior,
because you know they have the guacam sandwich.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
It's a little it's not chunky.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Enough for me.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
But I will also say the reason I be with
the Chipotle is I feel like this is gonna be
a hot take. I'm just like this is gonna be
a hot take right here. Okay, I feel like guawk
shouldn't be with the burritos and the bowls. I feel
like it's a chip thing. I only have guawk with chip.
It's just too overbearing. You put it with.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Anything else and it becomes the guak show. It's no
longer burrito. It's just a quak show. And I feel
like it's only with chips.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
I said what I said. If you need to flip
the table over, I'll accept it.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
But I said what I said, do you like avocado toast?

Speaker 4 (31:15):
I haven't become that la yet.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
I feel like I've had it once and it's okay.
But that's again you have the carb and then you
have the guawk. Yeah, but it was once you had
the rice and the proteins. I feel like it's just
it's too much.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
It's too much going on. It's too mushy. I already
want sour cream. I already have k so like, I
don't need another mush fast vest in my mouth. It
is the mushiest of the MUSHes. It's the mushiest of
the MUSHes, you know.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
I pride myself and so do you in low carb
lifestyle slash keto for me, and I didn't really eat
a lot of avocado before I started.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
Doing this different type of diet.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
So one of my favorite quote unquote avocado guak moments
is like carving out a little bit of the avocado
once you cut it in half, putting a raw egg
in it, and then putting it in the toaster.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
Riven with some cheese.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah she does like this.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Oh my goodness. Talk about warm avocado for a minute.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
But also talk about mush. See it's surprising that you
can fuck with that kind of mush. But then interesting
can't have Here's the deal with avocados and me. First
of all, they're a fruit.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
True, they're fruit.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Just so you know in cases, don't seem fruitty. They know.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
They're the fattiest fruit that we have.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, they're super high fat abby. They're great for the
skin and the hair. But here's my deal. If you
get a bad avocado, and I'm talking about you even
taste an avocado that has almost going going into the
it's like just starting to turn. You can taste that flavor.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
It is so.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Wrong it is. It really offends me. I get personally offended.
Watery avocado or guacamole. A water logged avocado is disgusting.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
It's but a good one.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
A good one is amazing. And I'm gonna just tell
you guys something. I'm gonna toot my own horn for
two seconds. I have made a lot of guacamole. We
happened to have movers over and I was like, man,
these people are working so hard and I want to
make something for them. We didn't have very much, and
then Raven was like, well, we have all this turkey meat,
let's do tacos.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
It was easy.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Everyone could kind of line up and I was like, cool,
you do the taco meat. I'm going to do the guacamole.
People were like, yeah, the taco meat's fine. Whatever, And
I have to say you can. All of these people,
for the record, had Latin backgrounds, so they were accustomed
to eating their tacos there, so that's why they were

(33:40):
a little picky. They're like, no, my mom would make
the taco meat, or you also has to be this.
Every single one of those fuckers loved my guacamole.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
Oh you damn Okay, no joke.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
And here's the deal.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
I just want to say, I've never I've never received
your guacamoly.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Did you want some?

Speaker 4 (33:59):
Feel like this is feeling strange? I don't know if
I like this conversation.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yeah, Raven, Okay, y'all get on your own text thread
for fuck's sake.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
No, no, Lily relationship with her dog.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
We all know that.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
I know that I'm not coming for that. I'm just
saying I was giving.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
I'm just saying, babes, will you make Lily some while.

Speaker 4 (34:20):
I'm in the room? Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Fine?

Speaker 4 (34:22):
Fine, Yeah, fine, I will. It's true.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Okay, here's a question. Do you like your guacamole with
chunks of onion and tomato or do you like it pure,
just the avocado and lime and salt maybe some?

Speaker 1 (34:35):
First of all, for me, tomatoes are the devil. I
feel like tomatoes are the worst thing. A raw tomato
especially is the worst thing. In fact, my late night show, a.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
Hypnotist came and tried to hypnotize me to eat tomatoes,
and I still wouldn't do it. I just hate them
so much. Now, if you're talking about like pizza or
like pasta, sauce, like ketchup, sure, like a tomato chunk
is literal help.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
We don't really have those aversions you do.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
It's so funny your guakap tomato Miranda, no boo No,
it is boo. She called a boo. I don't know
how Joe.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
About this later. You don't actually have to DM me.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
You could just text me how y'all listen. But DM
sounds more like, oh, like you're.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Gonna slide into it. We're getting canceled all the way. No,
my gualk is just lemon. Get off the.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
Buttons, babe. Stop talking to her secret it's.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Just lemon and salt, and it's correct.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
We're not talking to her about whatever.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Lily, I'll talk to you later about this.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
I hate you both.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
I just want to know something. Yeah, because we've established
now how famous and rich you guys are and how
you can buy avocados whenever the fuck you want. Even
if avocados go extinct, everyone should know that Lily and
Raven will still have access to them.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
But the fact that I bought my wife an avocado tree?

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Did I tell you that?

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Lily?

Speaker 4 (35:44):
Why you did not tell me this?

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (35:46):
I'm an avocado tree. But this is not the point
of what I'm getting at. We can circle back to that.
I just want to know what the most expensive thing
is either of you have maybe ever purchased.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
Here's the thing before we get into this. I feel
great about this question. Let me tell you why is
because I know, for a fact, if we were talking
about fashion and clothes, Raven's entire closet could pay my mortgage.
I already know this because every time I see Raven,
I'm like.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
What is this?

Speaker 4 (36:10):
This is gucky right here, this gucky exclusive, this exclusive,
and it's just she begs. I already know this.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
So when it comes to fashion as right here, I'm
asos just so we just so we're clear and okay, great,
it looks rich, it doesn't so, but let's so close
you in terms of like other things that we feel
like a ridiculous splurge?

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah, or is something that you've treated yourself with that
you're like, I want to guess?

Speaker 4 (36:37):
Can I guess for Lily?

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yeah, guess I'm gonna say her parties.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Are the most expensive things she's herself, so.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Wow, I think splurges on that. I do throw an
epicthy Volley party every you you know this. I try
to get it covered with sponsors. But let it be
known that if there's any withstanding amount, I, without hesitation,
will throw a bag at that because I love hosting
a party.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
So you're absolutely correct. However, if I had to talk
about a splurge, splurge that had nothing to do with work,
because a party, you could still say, it's like, oh,
a little bit like a hosting, you know, net you
could say, but a splurge meaning like there was no
other benefit minus me wanting this thing. Yes, So I'm
from Toronto and the Toronto Raptors, the basketball team. I'm
a big fan of basketball team. Again this bitch about

(37:24):
a basketball tea.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
No, I didn't buy a basketball team, but they were
in the build out that they were getting really close
to the finals, and I was like, oh my god,
this might never happen again in my lifetime. So I
not only kept flying back and forth to watch the games,
but I was like, this playoff, this playoff game, I'm
gonna have to sit courtside for this, and none of
my friends would pay for the ticket, so I sat
by myself. I didn't care by myself court side. I

(37:48):
think it was like game four, maybe how many racks
it was.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
This is gonna be pocket change for you, but it was.
It was twenty g's.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
It was not pocket change.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
That's one of your sweaters.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
It is absolutely not. Trust me.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
Back in the day.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
It was before I got married, and I can I
tell you guys, when I purchased what.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
My spil please please, it was actually.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
My mom who was like, you really should buy this,
and I'm like, you know what, you right? We purchased
tickets and really really nice seats to the Obama inauguration
ball and event.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
And do you know what is interesting about that? It
sounds really like bougie and chic and cool, and I
mean it was, but you had to wear a diaper
for it.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
Listen?

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Is that cheap in the experience?

Speaker 4 (38:32):
Yes, listen, this is the second time I'm hearing a
diaper story from you. Yeah, I do like what I
do like diapers. Here's the deal.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
The inauguration is outside. It was cold as hell, all right,
and my wife is dying laughing over here. We had
really good seats that were not.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
And my mom was like, sitting there watching Obama at
the inauguration in a fucking diaper. Go on.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Sorry, So when you say diaper, you mean like diaper, like,
I mean it depends it what it depends like?

Speaker 4 (39:05):
So you pre planned this or you got them? You're
like the situation. I need to go get the closest
depend planned it.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
My mom planned it that she didn't want to go
to the poor to party and we all needed to
wear it depends. Okay, I could be exaggerating or I
could not. You take it for that exaggerating, and I
know you're not because it's the second time hearing the story.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
I think the day you met me, you told me
this hilarious. I just start friendships. I've warned a diaper.
Does Obama know this Obama needs?

Speaker 2 (39:34):
It's not even I've worn a diaper, it's I wore
a diapert.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on hold, we missed
a crucial detail here before besides the diaper, how much
was the ticket?

Speaker 4 (39:46):
You write, honey around your thing and it was three
of them.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Oh, she provided for the family. Family, It was for
like multiple events. And again you know some times you
talk to the publicists, you get things.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
But how much was the diaper that was on sale
at CBS.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
You gotta cut corners some places you gotta pack a
tin and you gotta pack a ten. Okay.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Anyway, so my mother in law, my mother in law said,
we are not going to the porta pottis you all
are wearing these diapers? Did you actually pean it.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
No, I didn't peen it, but I did realize how
good a diaper is. And I'm really happy that now
for feminine care they apply. I'm sorry for feminine care
they provide diapers.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Listen, that was a beautiful transition. I just want to
know what would have happened if you had eaten more
guacamola that day? Do you think you would have had
to use the.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Diaper, Lily, Lily, help me, please, I'm kind of disappointed
you didn't use the diaper.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
Honestly, now that I'm thinking, and I'm like, I'm kind
of disappointed. What is happening right now? Listen? I wish
you used it. I didn't. I can't do that. There
was no place to wipe.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
You don't wipe in real life. So what is happening?

Speaker 1 (40:57):
You didn't preplan that, you like, I'll wear the diaper
per caution, cautionary, but not to actually use.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Lily, how's Italy?

Speaker 4 (41:04):
How was there a trip to Italy?

Speaker 1 (41:05):
You know what?

Speaker 4 (41:06):
It was good? Let me tell you something about Italy.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
I before going to Italy was like, I will have
no rules for myself. I will eat everything I want
to eat. I will be as gluttonous as I want
to be, I'll be as lazy as I want to be.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
And I did just that. I had pasta every day.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
I have gelatto two times a day sometimes, and I
ate literally everything. But here's think about Italy. If you've been,
you know, you don't feel gross after eating.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Food in Italy and you don't get fat after it
because all their food is actually good and it's not
filled with sugar, and.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
You don yeah, and you don't have like the sleepy
feeling after eating a plate of pasta.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
It's amazing, it was incredible.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Were there avocados in adult I.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Was supposed to ask you, did you have avocado gelato?

Speaker 4 (41:40):
I did not. That sounds gross.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
No, I don't think that. I don't think that Italians
eat avocados.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Right, it's a Mediterranean diet though, I don't think I
saw a single avocado.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
No, I don't think that it's customary.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
I think so it's literally just California putting avocados in
everything that it shouldn't be in, like ice cream.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
And I don't think that avocados are part of the
Mediterranean diet.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
That's like olive oil, olives, tomato.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Olive oil, doesn't even rhyme with avocado. She tried so
hard to make that work. She was like, oil, no bad.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
And they're about the olive oil. They're about the cheeses,
they're about the breadish. And here's the thing. I was
a little bit of a trash North American because you know,
they give you a huge basket of bread everywhere you go,
and they give you the oil. And I'm like, Okay,
I appreciate this, but like some butter.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Every place I went to like, can you bring me
some butter please? I'm sorry, I really need something for
this bread.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Gotta get to like London, Norway, Germany. Then you start
getting your butters.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
When I go backpacking, because I'm using that word. When
I go overseas, I tend to airbnb it.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
I tend this bitch backpacking.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
Yeah, I and bought a backpack.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
Let me know.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
I tend to like stay in an airbn B. I
tend to get a deal at the holiday in because
I got points from America.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
But I do splur my food.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
And I will always leave with a bill one hundred
plus in another country with food because I need.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
To taste it. I feel like that's the culture. Okay,
So when I went to Italy, I was only supposed
to go for five days. I was going for my
friend's wedding, and I was like, we're leaving. And then
one of someone on my team was like, honestly, you're
going so far, like you've worked so hard, stay stay
for two weeks. And I was like, damn for real.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
So I made a conscious, intentional decision to be like,
I'm going to treat myself and I'm going to splurge.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
So I just extended my trip.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
I went to Sardina, I went to Rome, and I
had to splurge inevitably on the flights and the hotel
because it were super last minute and there was nothing available,
and so I did splurge on my accommodations in my flight,
and part of me felt guilty because I won't like
all jokes aside, I'm a pretty cheap person, Like I
know this about myself. I'm constantly trying to save money.
I'm not trying to splurge, like that's why me personally not.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
To say like I would probably feel guilty if I
bought a designer shirt, like I probably would. But I
got back from Italy and I felt I was like
Oh my god, I need to make the bag. I
need to figure out. But I'm to get better. A't
just being like girl. I think this is.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Generational trauma because my parents do this. They save money
for no reason, Like you ask my parents, now, why
don't you just travel the world?

Speaker 4 (44:09):
No, what do we with money? You have to save
it for?

Speaker 1 (44:11):
What?

Speaker 4 (44:11):
What are you saving me for? What?

Speaker 1 (44:13):
All your kids are good, All your kids are doing
their own thing. You actually don't need to save money
for anything.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
So I'm trying to get out of this cycle of
like always being so tough on myself when it comes
to me.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Thats I think that's really smart. I do agree with
you that it's like a form of generational trauma or
something that our parents all are probably in the same
age range, because my father was the same way. Like
I grew up always feeling this stress and this anxiety
around money and like tomorrow was going to be the

(44:45):
day that the shoe dropped and everyone was on the
streets like that's how extreme it felt. And come to
find out like we are more than okay, I we
just looked at the will. We're good. Yeah, like no,
you know he my dad was working at Warner brothers
like he was fine, we were taking care of I'm
grateful for that, but the anxiety that he had around

(45:07):
finances and money and making sure that every penny was
accounted for was just so extreme. And then the lack
of spending My dad never went on vacation with me.
I've never been on vacation with my father, and that
was because it wasn't seen as valuable to spend money
on that, and making memories and things of that nature
just warn't a priority. And so I am happy to

(45:29):
hear Lily that you are trying to give yourself more
space to enjoy, to embrace. That's the very European thank you.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
I appreciate that, and I know this entire conversation like
let's just be real, it's a super privileged place to be.
But I think I also used to be that person
that would pride myself on like slightly torturing myself because
it made me feel better.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
Like, for example, I would go to I've told this
story before.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
I went to Brianca Jober's wedding, India and into like
four flights and twenty hours, and I was like the
only person that flew economy there.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
I was like nope. I fly economy the whole way,
the whole way because it's cheaper than And now I'm like,
I'm getting older.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
My body hurts so immensely and sometimes I need to
hit the ground running and my back is like killing
and I'm like, what am I trying to prove here
by constantly putting my body in a situation that's painful?
Like just spend the extra money and get the live
Latin business because you're expected to like land and do
six million things like just let yourself be okay?

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Do you think that comes from the idea that people
would potentially judge you or look at you or attach
an idea to you, like, oh, there's that rich girl
who can just do whatever, and you're so for better
lack of a word, air quotes normal and hump and
normal you know what I mean, grounded in your life
that you somehow want to like keep yourself from anyone attaching.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
That to you.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Did that make sense?

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Yeah? No, totally totally. I think that's part of it.
And it's also like, honestly, me being judgmental to myself. Yeah,
it's me being like, why why do you need this?
Are you becoming that person? But I think I'm slowly
starting to get better. A't like give myself permission to
be a complex human being, to be like, hey, you
can both two things in two things can be sure
once you can be grounded and humble, and you can
also buy that business class life flat because you deserve it.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
Your body hurts. And why are you not allowed to
spend money?

Speaker 2 (47:11):
I worked one thousand dollars raptors floor seat and.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
You're working, so why not spend your money?

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Like I've always been the person to spend my money
on me and the things that I want, and then
I'll save for Like, for instance, you guys were talking
about plane tickets. I went to Japan for a nice
vacation and I spent two hundred dollars on first class
tickets to Japan because I saved up so many points

(47:41):
because I knew I was going on a trip. I
knew I had to pay for certain flights, and I
just like, there's ways to get around it, because let's
not keep it, let's keep it real. Just because we
have money doesn't mean that it's going.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
To be there forever.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Because as soon as you spend if you have a
million dollars and you spend one dollars. You no longer
have a million dollars, so you have to learn how
to spend appropriately and where you're going to spend. And
it's true, like spend it on ourselves, like vacate all
day and then invest in yourself. And I think that's
what our older generations kind of forget to do because
they want to pass it on.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
But it's like we all make a money now.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
It also comes in my mind from a little bit
from the space of self worth, Like you have to
feel like you're worthy of those things. You're worthy of
the business class seat because you, as Raven said, are
working for it, but also because you're back hurts. You
don't need to prove a point to anyone, and fuck

(48:35):
it if you can treat yourself and be like, you
know what, I can fly first class, I want.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
To, I want choices in the menu.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
I want to just can they give me then? Amazing?
You know what I mean. And everyone can do that
in their life, in their certain situation, you know what
I mean, Like everyone can put that into place where
they go. This is something that is valuable to me.
I mean, do you feel worth it, Lily? I do?

Speaker 1 (48:58):
I totally do, and I also, here's here's a real talk,
even this whole thing of like, well will other people.
People are gonna think whatever they want regardless.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
I can find my entire life and people will still
find a reason to think what they want to think.
So at some point you have to decide what's good
for you.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
And I think you're you hit the nail on the
head raven when you said, especially when it comes to
investing in yourself. I'm definitely gotten better at not being
cheap when it comes to things to make me the
best version of myself. Therapy, relaxation, vacation, any doctor, or
any medical thing. I'm like, no, I will drop any
bag on that to become the best version of myself
because everyone benefits from that. My friend's been from that,
my family benefits from that. It's just I feel like

(49:32):
if everyone just took the strides to become the best
version of themselves, the world would be a happier place.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
I agree, agree, totally agree. It's so interesting to me too,
how people have such resistances towards investing in themselves, where
somebody will say something like, oh no, I'm never gonna
spend X amount of money on this doctor, or this whatever,
because that's ridiculous, I have to do this. But like
you said, Lily, it's like when you do something like
that and you become the best version of yourself, or

(49:58):
you are healthier, or you have I have more clarity
or fill in the blank, then you're better everywhere. It's like,
it's the It's absolutely integral to your success totally.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Also a part of your success is how beautiful and
luxurious your hair is.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Oh this.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
This right here, that's right here that you brought up
her hair because you know that. The first thing that
I wanted to ask Lily was what shampoo.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Do you use?

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Literally, do you use avocado based shampoo?

Speaker 4 (50:28):
I use a zinc free shampoo. That's crucial for me.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
But actually, and this is I saw I just for
everyone listening, I did not prep. I did not prep
Randon Raymond on. This is just organically asking. I'm actually
trying to work on a little bit of a situation,
a hair product situation, because i feel like I'm not
good at a lot of things, but I'm really good
at having great hair. And I think a lot of
it is based in just like good Indian jeans, but

(50:53):
also like some of the rituals we did growing up,
like the hair oiling, and like the ways my mam
would take care.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
Of my hair. And so I'm trying to work on
a little bit of a product line that you might
hear about down. The line is amazing, your hair is
so beautiful? How long have you been growing it? Like
forever my whole life. So I've trimmed my hair, I've
gotten layers, but I've never really had short hair. I
was born with a lot of hair I've grown in
my whole life.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
I haven't done much too it. I've died like a
handful of times. I don't put lots of chemicals on it.
And here's the thing you got to make sure also
in our industry, when you are on set and they're
putting a gang of stuff in your hair and putting heat,
you got to like take care of it.

Speaker 4 (51:27):
I think that's what's inspiring. The line I'm working on
is like how can we protect our hair and set
up for success? Because the thing is like the way
I think about my hair is how a lot of
people think about their bodies and skin. I don't think
culture has caught up to like hair care at all,
because anything about skin you're like, oh, ease, drink water,
you need to avoid certain foods, you need to use
this morning routine and night routine. But we don't think

(51:47):
about that with hair. Wh'rech like, oh, let me just put.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
This right around my hair on this curl on my
hair and like do this and dye this, And we
don't do that stuff to like make it healthy and
make it last and put that armor on it. And
so that's what I feel like is really missing. And
can you courage You heard it here f.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
A lily seeing hairline. I am the spokes Oh no,
she didn't say that. She Hey, I'll give you the
products to try hair. We're still testing, we're doing the things,
but you'll be one of the first people.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
To get Let me try that, because hair has been
such a journey for me, and I have heat on
my hair all the time. Like I am totally there.
And there's a whole thing now about growing hair back
because I suffer with a lot of shedding and hair
loss and people are like rosemary oil and I've actually
done deep dives into Indian hair and the kind of

(52:38):
aravadic remedies and rituals that are used because Indian women
and I'm sure men have some of the most gorgeo
gorgeous hair, gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Ever.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
I have a question, Lily, do you like to win things?

Speaker 4 (53:00):
I love to win things. I'm actually very competitive.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Well, do you want to maybe play a game?

Speaker 4 (53:07):
I would love to.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Play a game, because if I win something, you will
if you win the game.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
Okay, all right, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Let's play this.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Let's play the game, and then we're almost done.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Okay, we will be playing a game we call market
Higher or Lower. We will give you two different everyday
food items and you have to tell us which of
the two is more expensive. Lily, do you do your
own grocery shopping?

Speaker 4 (53:34):
I actually really like grocery shopping, but I do order
off the apps a lot. So I'm like, do I
know the price of things without a delivery free? I
don't know. I don't know if I do plus the
delivery fee.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Well, well we're gonna think of a delivery fee, subtract
that and then make your guests.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
Yeah, okay, all right, here we go.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
And this is we're basing this in La right, because
you know, different different areas have different prices.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
Yes, it's not Toronto prices.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Okay, We're gonna give you two items, and you're gonna
tell us which is more expensive. Now, if you get
two out of the five, right, we will give you
this Raven's Home North Faced backpack.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
It's official.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
And I know Lily is always looking for more swag
for a team.

Speaker 4 (54:10):
I am looking for more swag. And the real gag
here is that even if I lose, I'm going to
set from us.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
It's yours. Because the realist gag of the whole situation
is the fact that everything that is up for a
prize comes from Raven's collection of things that she calls
collection and I say hoarding because this is helping me
actually declutter anyway, amazing. Here we go, Let's play Kimmy heinees,
so which is more expensive Heine's cocktail sauce or twelve

(54:39):
ounces of Hershey's chocolate chips.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
Heines cocktail sauce. And know what the hell that is?
The shrimp shrimp, It's the horse Radish chocolate.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
It's the horse Radish and the kitchip the chocolate chips
that goes through a nice like and it's Hershey.

Speaker 4 (55:01):
We're talking name brands here, yeah, versus Hershey's. I'm gonna
take a guest, and I'm gonna say the cocktail sauce wrong. Really,
Oh you know what that's that's on me is expensive?

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Yeah, the cocktail sauce is three dollars and sixty nine
cents and the chocolate chips are three seventy nine.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Oh. So you guys playing this game where it's so
close it's not even a big difference. You're playing a
tough game here. Okay, all right, yeah, this back marginal.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
It's marginal.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Okay, this backpack is a collector's item. We've gotta fight
for this.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
Okay, here we go. Hit me with the next one.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Okay, Lily Nibisco honeymade Graham crackers or twelve cans of
orange Crush soda.

Speaker 4 (55:44):
See now, my instinct says that SODA's trash and should
be cheap, because you know what I mean, it's like
one of those unhealthy things that should be cheap. Graham
crackers seem a little fancy, little fancy little I lo're
talking about smores. Have a fire pit. You gotta have
a campfire. That's money. It's literally for those things.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
Only flavored thing like it, you know what I mean,
Like you can't Graham cracker is so distinct.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Mm hmmm, I'm gonna go with the and you know what,
I'm clearly not good at the name, but I'm gonna
go with the gram Crackers being more expensive.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Lily, you right, you are one baby, You're one away
from winning that backpack. Yes, so, Graham Crackers are five
nineteen and orange crushes four ninety nine.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
Just because it's trash. Yeah, five nineteen. That's deep.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
It's deep, yeah, steep, that's deep. Pockets.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
Okay, let me try this one.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
You gotta babe a head of Iceberg lettuce or two
pounds of organic packaged carrots.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
If lettuce is more expensive, I'm gonna have to flip
this table over because lettuce is almost just water. Like,
I don't feel like the lettuce should be more expensive.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
I feel like.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
Especially iceberg, literally icebery.

Speaker 4 (57:00):
He's this is basically water and organic. It's organic. No, No,
the carrots are organic. Okay, so then the organic Yeah,
the organic carrots are So she's choosing the carrots.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Let's see, absolutely correct, lettuce.

Speaker 4 (57:15):
Is shotting that organic adds like four or five dollars.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
You would think, right, But here's the deal. This is
so crazy to me. The head of lettuce is two
nineteen and the carrots are two forty, so it's not
that huge of like ice for letter should be ninety
nine cents.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
Won the backpack?

Speaker 4 (57:32):
No, I actually love backpacks. This is not a joke.
I actually love backpack so much.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
You won the backpack. But let's do two more.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
Okay, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Oh, okay, okay, So Raven's going to play now too.
Now it's a competition. Now, it's a competition between you guys,
and someone's gonna win something. Oh, whoever wins, I'm making
guacamole here.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
We got a real prize.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Okay, So, Lily and Raven, what is more expensive? Pepperidge
Farmed Texas toast frozen six slices or Lay's French onion dip.

Speaker 4 (58:08):
Frozen.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Huh?

Speaker 4 (58:11):
That changes things, change things?

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (58:15):
What was the second one?

Speaker 3 (58:16):
French onion dip, the good kind that you use the
riffle the ruffles in lays Lays French onion.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
So I'm I think I'm one French onion dip.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
She's gonna go French onion dip. I'm glad you went
that way, because I'm gonna go with the exact opposite.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
I'm going to take the other one.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
You're taking the Texas toast. It's Texas toast.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
Oh my god, bias, bias. You just want to give
her the guak. You just want to give her the glok.
That's the real thing here. I get the quack all
the damn.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
And here's the Texas toast is four sixty nine and
the onion dip is four forty nineties. Are very close.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
Oh that was very close. Very ya.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
We need one more a gallon of Horizon Organic milk
or Kroger large eggs thirty count See this.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
Is because eggs these days are basically.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Gold serious literally ooh, this is for the wualk.

Speaker 4 (59:07):
So what is the first one?

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Again?

Speaker 4 (59:08):
What was the name brand?

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Horizon Organic milk, that's the red box, that's the red
orgic organic gallon of milk or some eggs.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
I'm thinking that the organic gallon of milk is closer
to like the four dollar range, and the eggs are
closer to seven dollars.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
So I'm gonna go to the thirty thirty. See, Kroger
is the is the real is the real distraction there?
But I'm gonna also go with eggs. What did I
go with I think you said eggs. Now, okay, let's
go with eggs.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Lily.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
You guys are both going with eggs. Yeah, you guys,
we're both wrong. It's milk by a lot. The milk
is nine fifty nine and the eggs are seven ninety nine.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
I had to work an hour and a half at
my first job to buy that milk.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
What was your first job?

Speaker 4 (59:53):
Harvey's was a fast food place. It was six ninety
five minimum wage. Okay, we need to get her some milk.
She forever forever. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
I'm never buying milk again, Lily Sing. It has been
an absolute pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Neither of you are getting my guacamoly.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Oh my, I guess one of us will, and it
won't be me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Well he actually, it's fine.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
I enjoy your woman's walk. Enjoy your woman's walk. Thank
you so much, Lily Sing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Thank you so much for coming on the best podcast ever.
You have been one of the best guests.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
Oh you're so sweet. Thank you so much for having me.
It's just like chatting with friends I love, and it's
considered work kind of. I guess, Hey, wow, what an
amazing human.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Definitely, she's forever worth the side of guak.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Oh, I will give her my chips any day. I
would always pay for Lily's side of guak. That's how
much I like her.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
Okay, we're getting a little deep here. I don't know
how I feel about it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
You want to go make some guacamoly, I'll make guawk,
would you? Let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
The Best Podcast Ever is an iHeart podcast for uced
and hosted by Raven Simone and Miranda.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Executive producers Jensen Harp and Amy Sugerman, produced and edited
by Jordan.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
Kapps, who also does our music.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Executive in charge of production Danielle Romo, producer Hannah Winkleman.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Theme song by Kenny Siegel and Jordan Kapps.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
Follow us on Instagram at the Best Pod Ever, and
send your emails too the Best Pod Ever at gmail
dot com.