How to Navigate Seasons of Change with Charles Jenkins

Today, host Louis Carr speaks with Charles Jenkins, gospel musician and author.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
I'm Louis Carr, host of the Blueprint Connect podcast. The
Blueprint Connect podcast is an extension of the Blueprint Men
Something where we have consistently given men a prescription book
club not just for themselves, but also for their families
and their communities. During these podcasts, we will educate and
motivate our listeners about entrepreneurship, careers, finances, health and wellness,

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and relationship. Today I have the pleasure of talking to
the Honorable Charles Jenkins. How you doing, brother, what's up?
Great man? I was gonna throw the pastor emeritus of
the Fellowship Missionary Baptist Church. I was gonna put all

(00:48):
your titles on the doctor, reven everything, but I decided
I just leave that for the people who already know
you by all those other titles. I was going say,
you can always have Fellowship. I'm good on all the
other stuff. I was gonna even throw in truck. Yeah
that people who only know you about Chuck. You know you.

(01:11):
You you meet Chuck either on two in two ways.
Either one it's because you know me, or two you
don't want to know be Oh man, it's it's a
great pleasure to uh talk to you today. Uh to
our listening audience, giving you full transparency. H Charles Jenkins

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is one of my best friends on the planet. Uh.
So it is a real pleasure to invite him and
you into the way Maker podcasts. So welcome. Hey man,
you're one of my favorite people breathing. And I think
what's beautiful about it is when you got friends who
you can learn from and grow because of. And so, hey,

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you are a way maker and and I was thinking
about that word way maker, and I was reminded again
that a way maker is somebody who makes a way
for other people, creates paths, creates opportunities, opens doors, runs interference.
And so I'm telling you about your name. You you

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you can tell me about it, but I just want
to show that love on a respect is I'm inspired
by your life to work even harder to be a
more effective way maker for as many people as I
could possibly be. Well in our opening podcast, Charles, I
did tell the people that I got the word make

(02:39):
waymaker and the title of our umbrella brand Waymaker from
your beautiful wife, Dr Tara uh Jenkins, and I told
them about her sermon she was giving about Jeopardy. So
the people already have heard. Uh that way Maker came

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from her. So I give you all credit and tell
Dr Tarler, I said thank you at least listen. She's
got so many thank yous. And then her voice that
that Jackson to the sea spoiling. She grateful to you
and grateful for you. You know I am too. So uh,

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we want to talk about way Maker, but we want
to talk about several things that, um, you're doing currently
right now. So the mission of way Maker is to motivate, educate,
and inspire people to live their best lives, to change
and improve their families, their community, and the country. So

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you've been going from fellowship now a little over a
year now, So tell us what you have been doing
as a way Maker throughout the last twelve thirteen months.
You know, um, that that question is that's a rocket
science question. Um, after serving a fellowship for twenty three years,

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you know, the goal initially was for me to take
a year off, which you know better than I know that.
You know, when you're used to running full steam, full stream,
you know it's difficult to come to a screeching halt
and being engaged civically, economically, community, politically, and just kind

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of serving all over the place. I tried to take
some time off and rest, and I think for workaholics,
rest is a bad word, um when in actuality. UM
similar to a moment when my iPhone was glitching, when
I took it in to ask them what was wrong

(04:53):
with it. They went in and saw that the battery
was warped, and they said, we could tell your on
its glitching significantly because you never turn it off. And
so you know, for me, it was a moment to
to to try to turn me off, shut me down
so I could, UM, I would say, reset, restart, and

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ultimately reinvent, but that all had to begin with some
degree of rest. And so you know, for the last
thirteen months, it's been a complex combination of doing nothing
and doing a whole lot at the same time. And
so I've been really um, both resting and enjoying family.

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We've been stuck in a pandemic and so with such
a crazy schedule, you know, it's been really good to
become the cafeteria man in my house for my kids,
whether in online school, cooking, breakfast, lunch and dinner, movie time,
game night, and just kind of really um re integrating

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myself at a whole new level, I would say, with
engaging my family. So I've been doing a lot of that,
and you know, my family is always in everything. I'm
doing whatever I'm doing. But I think that you know,
when your schedule is so crazy and you're serving and
helping everybody, sometimes the more you want to do is

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the more you can't do for the people who are
closest to you. And so the pandemic has really allowed
me to do that. UM I became a partner and
all natural juice that supports healthy blood pressure, it's called
one twenty Life, is helping scores of people across the country,
and so I'm really excited to be able to help

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fight and tackle issue in the African American community. UM
that that's the leading calls for heart disease, stroke and
other illnesses and sicknesses. And this jews has five ingredients
that have all been scientifically individually proven to reduce high
blood pressure. So all five of these ingredients are at
one bottle. So I always want to be a part

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of game changing things that can change people's lives, and
so that's been happening in these last thirteen months. I
opened a design studio in Paris, France for a luxury
fashion line called Positive Air. And uh, welcome to a
partner who has been projected to be the top designer

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her generation. She's twenty two years old. Uh, Deborah Cokan
Yak Marilez from Brazil, graduate of Parsons from top fashion
school in the world. And so that's in development. We
will launch that in the fall of two thousand and
twenty one. And that's exciting. And I wrote a book

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and I know we're gonna talk about that. So I've
been trying to to really reimagine myself and reimagine my life. Um,
not leading a place that I've given leadership for twenty
three years. And you know that when you become a
part of a place for so long, it and its

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responsibility to become a part of you. And so it
took me some time also emotionally and psychologically to reset
and reboot because when you're in a cycle of you know,
staff meetings, emails, phone calls, reacting and responding and creating
and visioneering and idea making it you know, I had

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to figure out how to unplug. So so, so what
do you miss the most, because you gotta miss something
because and you better say you you do miss something,
because I feel it will be heard. If if you
don't say that, well, what do you miss the most?
I missed the people the most. I missed the people
the most. And even though most people don't know what

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a pastor is or what a pastor does UM, people
think you preach on Sunday and you kill all week
and way to preach gear UM. But while it is
UM spiritually feeding people, sharing the word of God, while
it's helping guiding people's lives spiritually, UM, emotionally, psychologically, and

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physically in many instances, professionally personally. UM churches are are
religious nonprofit organizations that have to be registered with their state.
It's articles of incorporations UH incorporation. The nonprofit profit sector
is the third largest business sector in the United States
of America. And so it's management at every level UM

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staff management, administrative management, property management, fiscal management, conflict resolution management,
curriculum management. If you're involved in community UM, it's socio
economic UM management. It's it's all kinds of stuff. But
for me, more than anything, I missed the people and
I miss UM being integrated into people's lives UM to

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help UM get them to wherever they're trying to go
or get them through whatever they're trying to get through.
I missed that a great deal. And that is the
in the black community, you know, the pastor we we
we we become a family member as as your family member.
And so that is probably the biggest thing that I missed.

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And I'm also I missed also, And I've been thinking
about this a lot lately. You know, I've been a
part of a lot of really big projects, helping some
big things happen in Chicago in particular, So I'm I'm
actually starting to miss uh that aspect of helping the
to get in the middle of it all and help

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move the needle or you know, bring We got a
few things here you can help with, you know, like eaches,
union and in the mayor if you want to get out,
we got a little bit of crime that you can
get into and help, you know, crime resolution. So if
you miss some of those things, just call me. I
can interject you in the center of it. I'm sure

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they would love your help. You know. Let let's get
right into this. Man, I'm tired. Well, does that mean
you'll do it for free? I did it for free
before We'll be right back with more of my interview

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after this quick break. Let's jump right into this this
book you got coming out call Seasons How to Succeed
during Times of Transitions. First of all, why book? And

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why so it is? It is probably the most exciting
thing I've ever released in my life, I've ever shared.
I'm one of those people, you know, it's it's not
about selling a product, it's about offering a resource, help, support, assistance,
something that can add aid, advance. And you know, when

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I announced that I was retiring from Fellowship after twenty
three years of being on the team, um, my phone
runoff the hook. I trended on all social media platforms
for two days straight. I got phone calls from you
name it, our best business leaders, uh, civil rights leaders,

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community leaders, and then just people I know and love,
faith leaders and everybody wanted to know why you're leaving?
Things are solid, strong, success for stable, whatever you wanna
call it. And my answer was simply, my season is up.
Nobody accepted that answer. Uh, it was refuted, rebutted. No,

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it's not you. You're in your early forties. It's impossible.
And my answer was my season is up. Um, there's
nothing wrong, There no challenges. There always challenges, but I
mean there are no problems that would cause me to leave,
or there are no issues and no situations. I just
feel like God placed it on my heart. My time

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was up. And everybody's ANSWER's what do you mean? And
what was placed on my heart? There's this beautiful passage
in Somes one three that says you will be like
a tree planted by the rivers of water, bringing forth
fruit results in each season. And the concept around that

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that captivated me is there's this notion um that if
things are going wrong, it's not your season, or if
things are going right, that can be the only time
it's your season. That's one concept. The other concept is
is that our lives are framed in fashion in one
big season. This passage in scripture seems to teach us

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that all of our lives are framed in scenes and
segments of time, and within those scenes and segments of time,
like a script, our lives are one big movie, but
there's scenes and acts that might not necessarily look the same.
Some people may overlap, some things may overlap, but our
lives are broken up in scenes and segments of time.

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It's critical to know what season you're of life you're
end because seasons begin and they end. There's another beautiful
passion passage that says the vision is for in a
point at time in Rebecca too, which means there are vision,
there are assignments, there are responsibilities. There are even relationships

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that are like a window. They open and they closed,
They begin and they end. And so as I shared
these ideas many leading leaders, you know, they looked at
me like I invented something. And as I went further
to describe, in each season of our lives, it's critical
for us to know number one, what season we're in.

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Number two, do we have the proper mindset and proper
tools to make sure we maximize that season. Number Three,
there are things that are critical to be able to
function at a high level for each season, whether it's
a good time or a tough time. Do you know
how to hear from God? Because God, among no one else,

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knows all about us, knows why he created us, and
knows what we should be doing for each season. And
so number one, you got to know how to hear
from God. Number two, you gotta know how to identify
or recognize the red lights, green lights, and yellow lights
in your life, so you know what you are doing

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and you know what you aren't doing. Jim Collins says,
UH Business Leadership Group says, all of us we needed
to do list, but we also need to stop doing lists,
and so it's critical to be able to recognize those
red lights, green lights, yellow lights. Number three Discovering your purpose.
How do you know what your purpose is? Purpose? Speaking

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to uh, the thing you're supposed to be doing. And
sometimes it's many things, sometimes it's a few things, sometimes
it's one thing. Um. And So in this book, what
I do is is I kind of go through helping
people embrace the concept of seasons, understand what season you're
end I go through a list of many different kinds

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of seasons, because if you don't know what season you're in,
there's no way you can maximize it. Um. And then
I kind of help kind of guide people on this
journey of you know, how you navigate seasons of change
and transition, how you discover you know your calling or
your purpose? How do you hear from God? How do
you solidify signs, symbols or confirmations so you know what

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you're doing, and tons of other things. And I'm most
excited about it because these are questions that everybody has
every single day, and uh, I want people work it through.
So with seasons comes this word change. So we go
from fall to winter, and from winter to spring, and

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from spring the summer's change. Do you talk about how
to get through change? So we're we're in a change.
I guess you could say season right now with COVID
nineteen and so do do you help people get through change?
Because change is difficult? Changes change or bad? You You're

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absolutely right, Um, there are scientific studies that sold show
some of the most stressful times in a person's life
is not necessarily a moment of bad transition, but good transition.
A new job, a new baby, a new spouse, a
new a new opportunity. Um. And so to your point,

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I have a whole chapter dedicated to change in the
form of transitions, because sometimes we are in a season
of transition, but that other times when everything around us
is transition. And one of the things I talked about
connected to that. Another chapter that's dedicated to reinvention, what

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it means to be a transformer. When I was growing up,
there was a cartoon series, The Transformers, and we have
later seen that developed in into movies. And it is
for any one of us incoming upon us to have
the ability to turn into something else, often on a dime.
And I think the people who will be successful in

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the current cultural climate will be people who have the
ability to turn into something else, because quite often there
are moments, circumstances, situations, and even opportunities that call for
us to be something Sometimes we don't even know we
have the capacity to become. And sometimes our ordinary mind

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has to play catch up to our extraordinary opportunity or
extraordinary moment or very complex moment. And I kind of
help the reader worked through those real realities that call
for us to not just embrace change, but to become
what a moment of change calls for us to become.

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Now you use this analogy, Uh, green light, green light,
yellow light, red light? Do those things come in that order?
Like when we pull up to a light in our
cars in real life? Do we see green and we
decide whether we keep going or we should keep going?
And then when we see yellow what should we do?

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And then we see red we know that means stopped.
But do they come in that order? Or do Sometimes
it's just read you pull up to a red light. Yeah,
there it goes green or does it go yellow? Does
it follow that order or do they pop up throughout
our lives in no particular order. That's brilliant as you
work it through. Um. So a couple of things out

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do in the book, And I'm also going to do
classes as a companion resource to the book to help
people work through what scenarios that you just describe. So
let's establish green means go, red means stop, Yellow generally
means slow down, sometimes it means speed up, but at

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all costs it means caution. So, um, you're absolutely right.
The lights very depending on what we're supposed to know
or what we're supposed to do. The lights are not
congruent in the sense that you describe green light, red,

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yellow light, red light. Um. They could really happen in
any different order at any different time, for reasons that
sometimes we won't know until later down the road. When
I began to consider whether or not I was going
to retire from fellowship, it didn't happen with a red
light stop. It actually happened with a yellow light. A

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combination of slow down, UM, contemplation, UM rethink, be prayerful,
be thoughtful, spend time consulting your personal board of directors,
you being one of them. Brian Carter Crais Oliver kicked
the tires as I began to feel a measure of discomfort,

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not with the people, um, not with the responsibilities, but
a question of do I fit? Have I done everything
I'm supposed to do in this role? Am I supposed
to do something else? Am I supposed to do some
of this in a different way? Um? Asking questions? Am

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I tired? Am I burning out? Or is my season
of I asked myself hard questions and you one of
the people who asked me hard questions. Um. And so
working through what it means to consider, even in a
busy pace, finding time to kick the tires on your

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life and make sure your own point you're in time,
you're in season in step um And and I'll go
to the other extreme and say, even when seeing a
red light, does that red light mean stop and rest?
Or close this chapter? And so, considering all of the

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nuances the as I said with the yellow light, the
front end was contemplation and slow down. The other end
was speed up. You're coming to a hard red light.
You need to cross this light and keep going. It's
some things you need to get done before you have
a hard stop. And then when they're green lights, sometimes

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we are sitting still. And I talk about this in
the book. There are those people that are sitting at
the light it's green, but they missed the fact that
it's green because their head is down. And so some
people are missing opportunities that they do have but because
their head is down for one reason or another. So
I wrote a book and I learned something about myself

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in writing this book. Did you learn anything about yourself
or did it confirm some of the things that you
already thought you did? So your book is amazing, by
the way, dirty little secrets we all should have it.
I got mine, you get yours. Um I'm gonna tell
you what's interesting about my experience for writing this book.

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I learned that I was crazier than I thought I
was when I looked back, and I don't know, I
don't know if you've ever done this, You ever looked
back and saying and and say I did that, or
I came through that, or I managed that that was
crazy and I was crazy all the time. Um I UM,

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I felt like when I wrote the book, I looked back,
and it was like watching a movie. I didn't even
know I was a part of us. And and I
think that, you know, I learned so many different things. Uh,
you know, I feel like I was watching the Turns
In movie as I swung through trees and and um.

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But among so many things that I learned, I did
learn again how much I do need people to help
me make sense, and how much I worked very hard
to to ask people for their help and assistance in

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giving insight. I learned that all over again because throughout
the book I kind of point to the power of
people as I looked to people, you know, friends, mentors,
my wife, and others to be able to guide me
and help me make sense. So I wouldn't be living
a vacuum or silo. So I'm gonna do many your numbers.

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Now wait for this, wait for this. All right, When
I look back, you know what gets confirmed, what God
is good? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, to your point, I don't
know why I did that and how I got through that,

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so it had to be here. Yeah yeah, So that
that's the consistent message when I look back. So I
want you to sort of get into your pastor mode
for a second here, because we need you to be
away maker for some people who are going through something
right now. Yeah. So when we look at Yeah and

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that a lot of its woes are rolling in the Yeah.
Over four a hundred thousand Americans dead. Yeah, most of
the country still in a shelter in mold. Yeah. People
are stressed every time they go out, whether it's to

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the grocery store or wherever. Yeah. What advice, as pastor
Charles Jenkins, Yeah, yeah, what you give people right now?
How to not just go through it, but to come
through it on the other side. What advice would you

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give people? Yeah? So, so a couple of things. So
I think number one my first piece of advice is
is you gotta read. You gotta rethink everything. You got
to rethink everything because if you're locked into, if you

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have a mindset that is crystallized into what was, you
will be dysfunctional because of what is. So I think
first we gotta throw out everything that we have considered
to be how things go, how things flow, how things

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are done, how the norm. The norm has to be reimagined.
Our norm has been obliterated by a pandemic multiple pandemics
actually um. And and so as we talk even about seasons,
we're in a different cultural season altogether. I think society

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societally there's always been racism, it is just being more noticed.
But um, those of us who were born in the
seventies and beyond have been literally introduced to the sixties
and fifties in different kinds of ways. Um. And then
with the pandemic, you know, opportunities are different. Um. The

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job market for many people is different. Um. How you
get your grocery, the risk that you take when you
walk into a grocery store. Um, so many things are different.
And so I think, first you got to rethink number two. Um,
as you rethink. One of the reasons why the how

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to hear from God ideas so important is you need
premium advice on how to proceed forward. And so you
gotta rethink. But you gotta reevaluate how how for some people,
how do I make ends meet? Because Um, for some people,

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the job you had is not the job you're gonna
have the income stream that you once had, That money
might have moved someplace else. And so for some people
you gotta recon you gotta reconsider skill sets, gift mix um.
For some people you gotta relearn. For some people as

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a brand new educational path you gotta take to prepare
yourself for possibly a role you never even thought about
you were gonna have. Um family, Um, how you communicate
with people? For some people, they're in the households that
that that uh, they don't like that much. And so

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how how peace is cultivated? How? How are you? How
do you lift yourself up move yourself forward? I just
think there are meriative different things that center around rethinking, reorganizing, retooling, recreating, reinventing.
I think it's a whole rething. You gotta relook at

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every saying and move with a different mindset, a different mentality,
and a whole different approach. Thank you for that. We'll
be right back with more of my interview after this
quick break. So we've talked about seasons, how to grow

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and succeed during uh times of transition. Now I would
be remissed and our audience would be upset at me
if we didn't talk about music. Yeah, so you got
to tell us what you're doing rip music? So, Um,

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I'm I'm so humble um on so many levels. Um,
and I gotta say this Um, I've I've I've crossed
over three hundred million streams worldwide. And I say that
to your earlier statement. Um, the recurring theme across my

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life is that God continues to move me forward despite
every obstacle, despite every challenge and things that I can
never imagine. And and you know, I've had thoughts about
whether or not you know, and this is gonna blow
you away because we ain't even talked about this, uh,
but I've thoughts about whether or not I'm gonna keep

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doing music, um, and and whether or not I'm done
with that and onto the fashion thing. And you know,
you know, I feel like I'm supposed to keep doing it.
I got a brand new album. UM. It's called Praise Party,
and the theme of this album is encouragement. The whole

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album is just to lift people up, uh in hers,
people's hearts, bring a smile to your heart, into your face,
get you uh dancing bob in your head, laughing while
you get messages that increase your faith, bring you hope,
and uh hopefully bring you a lot of joy. So
that's coming. Um. In the spring of UH, I did

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a remake of the classic eighties hit I Never Knew
love like this before. Uh, the iconic Stephanie Mills is
on it. Uh. It has taken me a year and
a half to get that clearance for that song. And
I was fortunate to get the blessing of the original writer, Mr.

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Reggie Lucas and uh Mr m Twomey, uh the original producer.
I had to get their blessings, and so that's really exciting.
And Uh, I did a couple of other remakes. I
didn't need to do remakes, but I wanted to give
a tribute to some of our music and and and

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create some continents and messaging that we're getting people soul
and bring them up and bring them forward. And so uh,
it's it's exciting. It's exciting. But I'm coming twenty springer.
I just got my number one altogether. And so when
I look at stuff like that, you know, it's impossible.

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But it's the kind of stuff that God does with you,
around you and for you, and so the music is
still here. That's great. So I am creating a way
maker community, and what I mean by that, I'm asking
people to search their minds for who were the way

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makers in their life. So before I let you go,
I got to ask who was some of the way
makers and Charles Jenkins life because we have to give
them credit, you know. Um, if I was wearing a
sweatshirt with all of the names, I couldn't fit them
on there. Uh, I say to people when I moved,

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I moved with a crowd because it's because of them
I am. And so the shortlist, it would start with
my father who passed away when I was ten. Uh.
I learned hard work from him in those first ten
years of my life. UM. And he took me with

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him started about five years old. He had a landscaping
company and a construction company. Every Saturday he would take
me with him. UM on the landscaping jobs. My mother
would be right next to him. Um. She has taught
me everything I know right Um, and it's still fussing

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right now today. UM. And so them my grandmother UM
was a way maker for me on so many levels.
We would get dropped off at her house all the time.
And the way she treated people, thoughtfulness, visiting my mother
and my grandmother, mainly my mother, but my grandmother also.

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They trained me to become a pastor. Uh. We would
visit the sick, um, take plates to seniors houses, take
seniors to dinner who couldn't afford to go out pay
people's bills. I watched my mother do that. Um. We
would go to the funeral hall randomly and walk in
and be rubbing people's backs. We didn't even know. They
would turn around and look at us, and who are y'all?

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We would look back at them. We don't know y'all either,
But my mama got us in here comforting people and
so them. And then UM, Reverend Clay Evans, who um
was more like a father to me than he was
a pastor. UM. The beautiful thing about him was he
gave me not just the pretty advice, but he gave

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me the good, the bad, ugly, his stories, failure, successes. Uh.
And then people like Craig Oliver um, Uh, Louis Carr
and and and and and I say y'all's names, um
in front of your face, because I talked about you

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behind your back. Uh. The wisdom, the advice, the tough advice,
the direction, the encouragement, the insight. Uh. And and I
would be I gotta say, my wife, I'm married to
wonder woman who um has has been so influential all

(37:39):
of these people, As you say, who have been the
way makers are the people who don't just walk with us,
but they are behind us. They push us, or they
get in front of us and they block for us,
or even preparing paid the way so our pad can
be better or smoother. And so man and keep calling names,

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but I'm on a that you would be on on
my way maker list. And the words of the Golden Girls,
thank you for being a friend. Final questions Charles is
encourage people and only the way you can do that
to be way makers for us. That's the fine. That's

(38:23):
how we're gonna leave it today. You know, I think
three things. When you know a way it's been made
for you, when you think about it, it is it
inspires you to make a way for the for somebody else.
Number one. Number two, when you understand everything that's been
put in you in just for you, but it's for

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somebody else. And to know that life is not just
about making a living, but it's about giving life. You know,
that inspires you to be a way maker. But number three,
legacy is what lives when you leave. But the only
way you can have something when you leave is the

(39:06):
live while you're live, and living is maximized when it
includes giving, and that's not just money. That's your time,
that's your talent, that's your energy, that's your insight, that's
your advice, that's your influence, that's your relationships. And so
as I think about the whole concept of seasons, as

(39:29):
I close is none of us wants to watch a
full movie with empty scenes. You gotta make sure you
fill up each scene until it overflows. And if your
life could be a movie that you can watch back,
what would that movie? What would you want that movie

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to look like? You have the opportunity to be the
director and the producer of your own movie in real time,
and that we have, Uh, thank you for this. You
know I can bring it out, You're all right, you
can bring it out of everybody. You're the media, So

(40:13):
I know I didn't get you motivated. You're probably gonna
run to some church right now. All right, Just you
got a mask on when you're run in there, to
put on the masks on Instagram and go live. Right now,
I'm gonna go live. Just just pick up the good book. Yeah,
this has been great. Uh, thank you so much.