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May 15, 2024 50 mins

Caitlin Clark made her much anticipated debut last night and dropped 20 points in the loss at the Connecticut Sun. Plus, Jared Goff gets paid like a top QB, Kickoff Kevin saw his fiancée in Mexico at her bachelorette party and got a dirty look. Bobby congratulates Dog Gottlieb on being named the next head coach job at UW-Green Bay, and revisits the chat he had with Doug on the last season of the podcast. 


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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
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Speaker 3 (00:14):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
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I messed up too. Were supposed to say sports bast
at football?

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Right? Uh, just some news and notes here because kind
of a big day in sports yesterday. I did watch
Caitlin Clark's entire first game, did you Yeah. A couple
things stood out to me. One the place was freaking pact.
The tickets were like fifty five bucks for the lowest
to get in. And that was the Suns, the Connecticut Sons.

What do I Connecticut of the Suns? Well, it's probably
sonny in Connecticut.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Not really.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
It's wintery up there. It's sunny a lot of place
all year. No, but it's not any more sunny in
Connecticut than it is hot.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Places, right, And I feel like you can get away
with anyone can have the Suns. So that was just
the one of these life.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
If you're on the Earth, if you're on Earth, just
call yourself, the Sun, like we can't come up with
a name, or the rain the clouds that would suck
the rain of the clouds. So the Connecticut Sun there
game won last year their home opener fifteen bucks a ticket.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yesterday fifty five bucks a tay. Wow, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
The crowd was definitely hype for Kaitlin Clark. I felt
like early because there were a lot of Iowa jerseys
in the stands. I feel like the crowd was confused
who to cheer, for sure, because it was a Connecticut
Sun game. But the place was packed because of Caitlin Clark.
So when she was out of the game and the
Sun would score, they would go crazy. When she was
in the game and she would score, they would go crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
It is a weird dynamic with the crowd.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Also, I've never in my whole life went I'm gonna
watch a WNBA game.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
And I turned it on half an hour early.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
It started at seven point thirty Central or maybe six
thirty central.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, it was early because by the time I got home,
which is around seven, it was already like second quarter
or did you watch any of it? I watched about
five minutes of it. Look at us yeah five minutes.
Look at us, we're basically feminists. That's cool that she's Indiana.
Dude's so close to Iowa. Well to us. Oh, I
thought you meant because for her.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
I also felt like maybe she left college because she
knew because the Fever had the number one pick, she
could stay close to home.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah. Yes, do people think that? Do athletes think like that?

Speaker 1 (02:20):
I would think in the WNBA they do because it's
not like she's gonna make a ton of money right
contractually and based on what team she goes to, and
her fan base is right there in the Midwest. She's
an Iowa girl, So if you play in Indiana, it's perfect.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
It's super close. Yeah, yeah, I would think.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
So what's with the Iowa jerseys though, Like, at what
point were we be like all right, we got a transition.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
People can't get their hands on Indiana Fever jerseys. They
sold out on Draft Day.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Wow, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
So for this season, Iowa jerseys are still cool.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Okay, next season, though, we're gonna be done with Iowa jerseys.
I don't know their vintage. It's like we can't keep
wearing like Jordan North Carolina jerseys.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
You know what I mean, nobody does nobody he played
for the Bulls longer, you know, just say so.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Watching the game, the crowd was confused.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
I felt like the first quarter because she was like,
oh for three, she had no points. I felt like
she was just trying to get all of her teammates
the ball and involved very early, like so they'd like her.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Sure, I get that you're new on the team.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
I feel like she's a very likable person anyway. However,
when the whole world says you're the next one up
and all these people are like, wait, we've been playing
for a while, like you probably want to go, I
want to show them that I'm not just all about me.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
And I felt like that hurt her a little bit.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
She had a few turnovers early, but she dropped a
couple of dimes, like behind the back stuff that they
just screwed up and dropped. She ended up with ten turnovers,
which is a lot, and I would say that five
of them were real.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
But when she would get any.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Space drill, it's crazy to watch he drill shots.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
But the girl they had on her defensively locked down
and like that girl had a purpose to shut down
Caitlyn Clark. It was weird too to watch her because
she wasn't moving around off ball a whole. And I
was like, why should not moving around off ball because
if you watch Steph, he doesn't stop, always moving, always moving.
But then I remember that I don't know what I'm talking.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
About basketball, yes, in general, like I don't know more
than the coach, and I have to check myself sometimes.
But she wasn't moving off ball at all.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
But then I thought, what if they have her staying
in a certain spot behind three point line just to
create spacing for the other players, Because if she's standing
wherever she is, the corner, if she's at the top
of the key, whatever, and she's not moving, somebody's got
to stay on her and close because she'll fire at
will from anywhere, and so that does create a bit
of spacing. But I had to have that moment where

I remind myself, I don't know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Because you were yelling what do you do?

Speaker 3 (04:44):
I was like, whych she not moving?

Speaker 2 (04:45):
And it is the first game of the season too,
I mean a lot of eyeballs, but it is the
first game of the season.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
And there had to be a crazy amount of pressure
on her and every time she plays. There are people
that just bought tickets to watch her. Straight up, that's crazy.
And again she's younger than most of other people. But
she ended up with seven points in the first half.
They did they lose, yeah, but they weren't supposed to win.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
They lost.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
They got within like six or seven at one point.
But she had seven points in the first half. Not
the best showing. Second half, I think she had thirteen
points up twenty points.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Bad points.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
First if she got any space coming off a ball
screen or I mean, dude, she either dropped it or
it was so close and you're like, oh god. But
it was fun to watch, and just because of Caitlin Clark.
Otherwise it kind of looked like a bad high school game.
I mean, it really did.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
I mean, I don't know what to compare it to.
I've never really watched the WNBA game.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Don't compare it.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
I didn't watch. I did watch a little bit of
Vegas when coach Hammond was is she's still coaching Vegas? Yeah,
I remember watching that one game there.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
But maybe we had two teams that weren't super athletically
above the freight. I don't know, but maybe it was
just also Game one. Yeah, but yeah, it's a lot
of like don't compare to the NBA. And also I
was listening to Bill Simmons and he made a great point.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
First of all, there are like two teams coming.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
There's a Toronto WNBA team coming, which is cool, and
a Golden State NBA team and one of them, I
think the Golden State teams called the Valkyries.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
What is a valkyrie?

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Who knows?

Speaker 2 (06:16):
I think there're a movie called Valkyrie.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
The point that.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Simmons made or his guest and I don't remember because
I was asleep. I listened to that show when I'm asleep,
was they should have named the teams the same as
the NBA team and it's just the w NBA. Know,
it wouldn't be. We'd actually know the team, we know
what their mascot is, we know who I saw the Rockets.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
There was already allegiance to the w NBA team as well.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Which Rockets team? Did you see? The girls are the guys?

Speaker 3 (06:39):
I didn't say that.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Well, no, I'm saying that's what it would be like. No, dude,
the bull wouldn't. We're freaking so good last night? Wait,
which one the guys were the girls?

Speaker 3 (06:47):
I thought you were.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
I could have swore you asked that question, then you
answered it, and I was like, I didn't ask, But
don't you see how confused it would be?

Speaker 1 (06:54):
No, because the college basketball there are the two Arkansas
razorback teams, which one that's never a question.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Every every college team has the same as, oh.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
My gosh, the Celtics were so freaking amazing last night. Wait,
who are you talking. You wouldn't do that.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
You'd call them like the w Celtics, the w NBA Celtics,
just the same thing you do.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
In college because they don't make Celtics. Sure, some would
be that. Some would be.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
Okay, any season's hardly overlap, Eddie, but not Eddie.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
He'd be screaming.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
We're talking about though it's right right now. It's overlapping
about one in the playoffs the thunder shut up.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Or it could be like even my version of this,
a slight spin off of it, like the Lightning Oka
Sindy lightning.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Okay, thunder and lightning, that's better.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
The Golden State Warriors are the warrior.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Ats, Celtics and Leprekaanas something. There's something there. Celtics, okay, good?

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Even the lady Celtics works because you just you'll sell
more gear. Yeah, so I agree with that point, Kevin,
you agree with this.

Speaker 4 (07:59):
Yeah, that's cool. I think that sounds cool too.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
I'm into it. I like it. I had a good
time watching the game.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Now every team, every WNBA team doesn't or city doesn't
have a No, it's not the same far viewer teams. Okay.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
And also the WNA also loses a lot of money.
The NBA pays for the WNBA, and I talked about
it on The Big Show because people were upset that
Caitlin Clark's making like three hundred thousand dollars a year.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
The WNBA loses money.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
You don't pay somebody the same at a company that
there's a star in it and the company makes a
ton of money versus a company that loses a ton
of money. They don't have the money to pay And
they're now getting charter flights, which was kind of weird
that they weren't. But if the company's not making money,
let's take away the sports part of it. If the
company's not making money, they don't have money to spend
on things like charter flights.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Charter flights, so before they were just flying individually, like,
all right, see you guys in Vegas.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
You'd say them on Southwest and b P seven man
spirit that's tough. So I like it because I care.
It makes me care about the WNBA.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
It is cool.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
And they were talking about the national televised games coming up,
and they were like, the national.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Televis games, let's go to the schedule.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
And it was like Caitlin Clark the Indiana Fever played
this on ABC. Caylin Clark in the NA Fever, they
play this on ESPN. Over on the Ion channel New
York plays. I'm like, I don't know what Ion is.
That is not a nationally televised game. Ion usually has
like cold case files.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
And they'd be like on Disney Plus Kaitlyn Clark in
the n.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Of Fever, that's messed up, man.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
These players that are like subtweeting or taking shots at
Kaitlyn Clark out, it's so dumb because they're they're I know,
I get it, they're jealous.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
They're jealous.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
It's not them.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
They may may be a better player, whatever the case is,
but they're cutting off their nose despite their face. It
would be like Eddie, you getting on this show or
the big show and just going off and being like
Amy is the worst person and she's not. But Amy
like spits on orphans, Amy steals money from old people.

But I'd be like, why would you be doing that
because you're hurting the whole show.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, because they're all in the WNBA together.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah, and if one drops out, it hurts.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
It affects you, right, She is bringing in eyeballs at
your league.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
I watched, yeah, the whole game. I didn't even bet
on it. Give me Pennrose on my nose.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
It's a good job, dude. You never do that. I know.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
I didn't know if I forgot I forgot to. But
she did score twenty points, had like three or four assists.
It probably wasn't her best game. Ten turnovers, five of
them probably were real.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
That's crazy that twenty points isn't her best game.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
She got them mostly late.

Speaker 2 (10:34):

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Other news, freaking Doug Gottlab's the coach at University of
Green Bay, Wisconsin. Why all that? Why he's not the
head basketball coach? Oh wow, we're going to play a
whole interview back with him coming up in just a minute.
But he got the head. You didn't see that, No,
I didn't see that at all. He got the head
coaching job.

Speaker 3 (10:49):

Speaker 2 (10:49):
His dad was the coach at Milwaukee.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
He apparently Gottli was born in Wisconsin, but Gottley played
at Oklahoma State. He's now on Fox Sports. He's been
a guest on our show. But he's gonna go be
the head coach. No head Coaching Experience, Wow. Has been
an assistant for Like the World Games. No Head Coaching Experience,
was a consultant for Oklahoma State this last year. But
Like is one of the top ten assists givers of

all time in college basketball.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
I think he'll do well because I.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Think that job now is very much because he's going
to be ex as the nose for sure, but it's
very much.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Can you raise money? Braniel, and he'll be able to.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
I like Doug a lot, but I saw the headline
radio host gets Division I college coaching job, and I
was like, there's I can coach like it gave me,
gave me home.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
But I'm super happy for him.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
You're like, coach cal you need me, Kevin, What were
your thoughts?

Speaker 4 (11:44):
I was surprised just because he's doing so well in
the radio world, going on right now media and then
it was just kind of like out of nowhere because
he lives in LA that's where he does a Fox
Sports stuff and then all of a sudden, Wisconsin.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
But you can always go back to Rado.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
No, you're not knowing the best part in his coach
and contract, it has been said he can still do
his radio.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Show every day. That's that's the best.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
How's he gonna have time to do that.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
I was like, Okay, he's doing it.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
I try to do like eight things at once, and
you know, sometimes I get a little burnt in certain areas.
But a first year coach, that's awesome if you can
pull it off, because that show. That means I can
do this. We had to go through the legal part
of seeing if I could run for office and be
on the show.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
I had to go through all the attorneys.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
I was when I was going to run for governor
of Arkansas, and because of certain legalities, I could have
stayed on the air everywhere but Arkansas.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
And what about what you're talking about the content and
all that doesn't matter. Wow, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
But because I was running in Arkansas, was not gonna
be able to stay on the air on the public
airwaves in Arkansas because it was unfair. But I could
have stayed doing the entire national show. I think people
sometimes and they don't because I didn't. I didn't want
to push it any more than I did, but I
it was a lot closer to happening than I probably

let on it happening publicly. Like a bout a house
in Arkansas, and I had enough. I lived there for
seven years. I lived there for the first twenty two
years of my life, so I had seven consecutive years
in But I was like, I need to have a
residence because the first thing's gonna be like, you don't.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Even live here. Yes, I do.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Suck my balls right here, here's my house.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
That's there. You go, that's your governor. I was looking
forward to being lieutenant governor. Yeah that's not really how
that works, but uh that and then Kevin would have
been the treasurer.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
I'm gonna know, no, humbers ain't my thing. I'm getting
a message, Doug, now.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
That's what I was gonna say. We need to get
him back on.

Speaker 2 (13:39):

Speaker 1 (13:39):
I didn't want to hit him now because I figured
a lot going on. I want to audio message him. Hey, buddy,
I know it's early out there. I just want to
say congrats on the job. When it said a radio
host is now a d one coach, I was like,
there's now there's hope for me. I'm taking over the
razorbackstuff for Calipari. Uh, congratulations, it's gonna be awesome. But
you canna raise a ton of money and I alwise,

let me know if you ever want to come on
the show. I'm not hitting you up for a guest.
I'm out of town anyway. But I just want to
say congratulations, and I hope you're good. It's super cool
to see, man, So I get a couple extra coats.
As you know, it's freaking cold up there, all right,
Sea Bud, that's pretty cool man.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
I think that was one of my biggest shockers. I
was like, dang, he's going back to Wisconsin from La.

Speaker 2 (14:23):

Speaker 3 (14:24):
That's uh, it's it's cold, They're not. I don't think
they could be. The Wisconsin suns.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
No, no, even though the sun doest shine.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
There and Wisconsin snow blizzards.

Speaker 2 (14:35):

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Okay, let's take a quick break and I got some
more stuff to talk about.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
All right, Jared Goff gets paid.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Uh, you know, I think The debate was was it
going to be a four guy or a five guy?

Speaker 2 (14:46):
He's a five guy. I got fifty million bucks. Good
for him?

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Four years, two unter twelve million, one hundred and seventy guaranteed. Yes,
Jared Gof's good.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah. I'd say he's mister reliable, like you want him
on your team.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
I would say he's top twelve quarterback. Yeah, maybe top ten.
I mean, listen, he played in a Super Bowl, He's
been to two NFC Championship games. He's better than Dak is.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Okay, I didn't need to say that, but I mean,
there's a lot of other quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
You know. But I'm saying that because Dak gets a
lot of it's freaking Dak Prescott, but Dak has it.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
I don't think Dak gets a lot of it's freaking
down Prescott.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
They do, and it's like the big controversy. Should that
get paid fifty million a year?

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Sure? Should?

Speaker 3 (15:24):
He hasn't done near what Jared Goff.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
Has, andie, would you rather have Jared Goff on the
Cowboys team right now?

Speaker 2 (15:30):
You love Dak Dak?

Speaker 3 (15:32):
I like Dak.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
I like Dak, but I just but if you're comparing
the two. I think everybody's head goes Dak over Golf. Sure,
but Dak hasn't done near what GoF has done.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
And Goff is solid. He's a solid, solid quarter. I
think Golf is good, not solid.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
I think he's good.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
And he looks like Ryan Goslin. He does. If they
were to ever make a movie about Jared Goff, it'll
be Ryan Goslin playing.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
I tell you, guys, we'll talk about I saw his
bachelorette party in Mexico.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
No, please talk about this, talk about that? Or no, no,
you told me you know the story? Tell tell Vones.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
Go ahead, Okay, So when I was in Mexico last month,
because yeah, we weren't even doing whistles at the time,
and we were in Cabo, and we were at this
beach club, beach party thing going on, and we walked
by this table full of girls. There was like ten
twelve obviously beautiful girls, and we looked down at the
table and all of a sudden, we see like a cutout,
you know, that the big cardboard cutout on a stick,
and it's Jared Goff's face. And I looked down and

then I looked back up and I'm like, yeah, these
girls kind of look like NFL wives actually, and then
one of the girls looks. She looks at me, and
I'm like, is this Jared Goff's, you know, bachelor?

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Oh it wasn't him there already. No, it was a
picture of him a stick, but it was fiance.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
She was having a bachelorette the same place as us,
and we were with them. And then she turns to
me and she's like yeah, I mean, then she kind
of gives me like a dirty look, and then I
was just like, all right, never mind, turn back around.
And then she turns back around and flips the cardboard
cutout of his face over so we can't look at
it anymore. Like go away basically is what she was
saying to So I was like, don't put his cardboard

face or his face on a cardboard cutout, if you
don't want people to know who you are.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, I would think that's her going, please don't record
this more so than I hate you, because obviously they're
just trying to have a fun bachelor at party. He's
semi hope high profile, and now somebody recognizes it. I
think I would be I would also be willing to
bet wasn't there can't confirm it that you interpreted her

look a bit wrong?

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Oh really? Not just being like I hate you, stupid idiot.
Nobody likes you or your show. When I first heard
the story, I took it as like, oh, here we
go sports fans like they're gonna bother us.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
I took it as, oh God, we better not be
crazy or do anything that will regret because somebody's recognize us.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Do you think they cared about that, Kevin? Well, like,
were they being crazy?

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Well, they flipped the thing.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Of course they flipped the well.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
I mean, what was she up on the stage day
the other time?

Speaker 2 (17:53):
May right, you should be able to go out and
have fun.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah, I agree, I agree, and we didn't like obviously
I didn't us at my phone or anything like that.
But then there was a couple behind us. I said,
they did the same thing to them too, So I
think they were, But I don't know. It's like Kevin's
right though, like bas on a cardboard cutout, don't.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Do that if you don't want anyone to associate.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
But also if you're in Mexico and one of their
friends brought it, I'm sure she didn't bring the cardboard cutout.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
Yeah, I do want it to be clear. It wasn't
his fiance that gave me the looker.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
I don't know who it was.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Oh then even better because that person's just like being protective,
trying to protect her friend.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Right, Yeah, So that's on you, Kevin.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
You're the douche look You shouldn't have stared at the
cardboard cutout.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Should have let them live their life.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Kevin, Did you follow them for the rest of the night.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
No, No, I did go on their Instagram and I
saw their own like a private boat. After that, I
was like, yeah, okay, never mind.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
That's all that's.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
ESPN reveals they're thirty for thirty Summer Slate. Come on,
and I can read you what they are, be honest
with you. Not a lot of interest from me. Oh really,
I don't even know what some of this is. Aren't
they on, Like I know, it's thirty for thirty. Aren't
they on like one hundred and eighty for thirty at
this point? Yeah, but there's still a lot of great
stories out there, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
But I mean whistles, But I mean it's thirty for thirty, right,
twenty five whistles. We're on episode one.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
And we do twenty five new ones every season, and
then we do any more. So I'm just here for
the Riots. We'll look at the twenty eleven Vancouver Riot
following a Canucks loss to the Boston Bruins.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Don't remember that? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Do you remember that? Kevin being a Boston guy?

Speaker 5 (19:20):

Speaker 2 (19:20):

Speaker 3 (19:21):
False positive?

Speaker 1 (19:22):
The story of Butcher Reynolds, a major track and field star,
and his efforts to clear his name after testing positive
for drugs and Monaco in nineteen ninety.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
I don't remember that.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
It wasn't alive.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
And it's not just that I don't know it. That
doesn't even draw me in these stories. I mean, if
there's nothing else on, but there's always something on now
because you're gonna go streaming, no scope. The story of
Faza Klan, the ups and downs of the gaming brand,
and I don't know if I'm saying it right, fhase
Clan or fase Klon. I don't know the gaming brand.
So I'm sure a different audience will come to that,

not really me, what what brand? Fase Klon?

Speaker 2 (19:55):
What what game for? No? Interesting?

Speaker 1 (19:59):
Here's one though, that I do find a little bit interesting. Dude,
perfect A very long shot will follow the rise of
trick shot YouTubers.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Dude Perfect, I like that one.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
That would be kind of cool to see how they
not how but when it happened and how they started
to build that. You know, one of those guys DM me,
the main one with the beard. I just say, Dude
Perfect is one dude. No, there's like four of them.
Oh I know, but I only know one dude the
face of it.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
I don't even know who the guy was, but he
DMed me like maybe ten years ago and said he
was a big fan of our show and he looked.
But this was a long time ago, and I just
kind of ignored it because I didn't really know who
Dude Perfect was. But did my kids still watch Dude Perfect?
And it's every generation of my kids, like the first
my sixteen year old used to watch Dude Perfect to
now my five year old loves Dude Perfect.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
It has inspired a bunch of copycatters or just people.
I guess it's not copycatters. Isn't fair because everybody kind
of takes from everybody in art and this is like
sport meets art. Yeah, but the Dude Perfect guys had
like a side stream of a game like ESPN too.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Oh they did.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, it's like they'd watch a game, but they'd be
the ones like Peyton and Eli Do or McAfee if
they had a version maybe on Amazon. Like it's really
cool what they've been able to build over there.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
And I feel like they're kind of like fast and
Furious too where if they keep going, this is going
to be like, all right, can we speak this shop
from the moon?

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Can we make the shot before I die? There's a
gun pointing right in my head. If I don't make
it in the next hour, it shoots me. American Son
chronicles the journey of tennis prodigy Michael Chang and his
upset of Von Lindall in the nineteen eighty nine French Open.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
That's a long time ago, man.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, I just my American tennis is pretty much Sampras
and Rodic and Agasy.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
That's about it.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
And I just didn't lead with Rodi because my friend,
but Rodick was a big freaking deal.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
He host to the SNL.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Oh, I didn't realize that. It's funny to watch back. Yeah,
who was his musical guest?

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Do you remember? That's really cool? I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, he's the SNL you know, he dated Mandy Moore's
big called culture thing.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Him and I didn't become friends.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Until two thousand and five.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
I was gonna guess five or six, guess and so
he was. He had been number one for a long time,
but I did not become friend friends with him until
after he won the US Open, So it wasn't there
for him.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
He was nineteen when he won the US Open.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah, so yeah, but I was there for a lot
of the Wimbledon final against Roger Federal losses.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Those are tough.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
That was towards the end.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
I mean, it was this whole thing. I think he
lost like five or six Wimbledon championships. Like, think about that.
You go to the it's like getting It's like the
Buffalo Bills. Yeah, think about going to four Super Bowl
and losing all four so close? Goy, those are the
new ESPN thirty for thirties.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, I'm with you, man, a little underwhelmed. Not looking
forward to those. Really don't think I'll watch him.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
What do you say?

Speaker 4 (22:50):
Dave Matthews was his musical guest.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Oh, is that why they're buddies?

Speaker 3 (22:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Okay, that makes sense?

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Well, so much to say so much to say.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
We have like ninety seconds left before we get into
little spot, and I want to play the Doug Gottlieb
interview back because he does talk about a lot of
his career in sports.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Why don't we do this. Let's do that first and
then we'll do an end Doug. What's up?

Speaker 1 (23:12):

Speaker 5 (23:12):
All good man?

Speaker 3 (23:13):

Speaker 1 (23:14):
I was looking at the Wikipedia for all time assists leaders,
and I had known that you were one of the
top ten NC double assist leaders of all time. I
would just be obsessed with making sure that nobody was
coming up on me. Do you look and see who's
approaching so you don't get knocked off the top of
the list.

Speaker 6 (23:30):
It's like the guys that are good enough usually go pro.
You know these COVID year guys. You're worried about guys
getting fits in six years.

Speaker 5 (23:39):
Coming up beating you.

Speaker 6 (23:40):
Oh yeah, last year, Noel whatever from Kansas.

Speaker 5 (23:46):
State, Marquis Marquese h Marquis Noell.

Speaker 6 (23:50):
Yeah, he was getting really close to my single season
in the Big twelve, and had they won in the
Elite eight, I was cooked and he was like really close.
I think he finished like three short of me. So
I hadn't in that position before. But I was like, yeah, dude,
like anybody who says they don't give it about their records,
this is fully you know, like you want something for posterity.
I used to be seventh, and the guy who's sixth

is Greg Anthony. I was literally three short of him.
He played a whole bunch more games than I did
because they they won a national championship and they went
to the national semi finals. Right, But like, I'm still
bitter because my junior year, when I led the country
and assist, I was in the doghouse for eight games.
So I actually, in overall average, that was the fewest

minutes per game I played in my career. And so.

Speaker 5 (24:41):
Obviously had I not been the doghouse, or my coach just.

Speaker 6 (24:43):
Like benched me for a game or not played me
for a game, Like if you mentioned me just like
one game, hey, you don't play, it wouldn't have hurt
my average, but it would hurt my average but when
or my average, but my overall total would have been lower.
But I went through a stretch where I was playing
like eight or ten minutes anyway, So then you're like,
if he hadn't done that me, I would have been
like third or fourth all the time, you know, so

there's a yes, I definitely pay attention to it.

Speaker 5 (25:06):
I'm not gonna lie to here.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
I saw Gary Payton as below.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
That's pretty cool. You're above Gary Payton.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
Yeah, but he did all kinds of others.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
It doesn't matter. I just see a list and Gary
Payton that's true. Yeah, who cares? So a big fan.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Been listening to you forever.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Obviously we've established kind of a personal relationship as well,
so I really appreciate you coming on here. A couple
of things I wanted to talk with you about. First
of all, as being an assist guy, did.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
You ever feel like teams knew you wouldn't shoot, like
they're like.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yes, it was just back off.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
And do you feel like you had to then have
games where you would prove you could still put up
fifteen to twenty.

Speaker 5 (25:40):
Yeah, but I couldn't.

Speaker 6 (25:41):
There was like three games, So I mean, it's really
interesting because like forever in the Big Twelve, all being
known as a guy that could make every pass, but
you know, couldn't throw it in the ocean. And my
last Big Twelve tournament game we played Iowa State. That
Iowa State team was probably the second best team in
the country that year.

Speaker 5 (25:59):
They lost to.

Speaker 6 (26:01):
Michigan State in the Elite Eight, who ultimately won the
national championship, and I was State l Airryu Stacey was
the coach and he tells everybody to this day, and
there's other guys that are head coaches who are assistant
on that staff. But I'll tell you that their whole
game plan was not just to let me shoot, but
also when I drive, they'd fake and then make me finish.

Because I got to this point to where like all
I did was pass, you know. It was like it
was like the yips at first, and then it just
kind of took over my game and it was it
was literally playing without a jump shot was really hard,
and there were a couple of games where it went away,
where the like anxiety of it went away, and like

I had nineteen against other miss I had my last
home game against Oklahoma, I had two big threes. We
played a Kansas site a couple of big threes, but
generally I just mentally emotionally couldn't get myself to relax shooting,
and everybody in.

Speaker 5 (26:57):
The league knew it.

Speaker 6 (26:58):
So it was really it's actually like you ask people
like what I was able to accomplish, especially like my
senior year is kind of gratifying because literally played without
a jump shot, and that's hard. It's like living without
one of your senses. So all the rest of your
senses become heightened, but that one sense is really really

hard to play without.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Do you feel like you lost your shot as you
got older and specialized more? Meaning in high school? Could
you fill it out better?

Speaker 5 (27:28):
Oh? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (27:29):
I mean I wouldn't have been recruited and been rated
as highly as I was if I couldn't shoot. I
mean I was never step Curry, but I pattered in
my game after Bobby Hurly, and you know, he got
to be a better, better shooter. In college, I was.

Speaker 5 (27:46):
I scored. I was the ultimately scorer in my high school.

Speaker 6 (27:49):
I had forty four in a game. I could shoot
and score well enough, but I'm ultimately a bit of
I think, a control freak. And so part of what
happened early in my career and then at Notre Dame
and then at Oklahoma State was, you know, I wanted
to control who've got the shots and kind of be
the hero by creating opportunities for my teammates. And I

also I got big and strong, and I think I
lost some of my touch. And then when I lost
some of my touch and I was trying to control things,
you know, then your shooting percentages go down and down
and down, and then you just kind of get in
this mentality of Okay, if I just do what I
can do best, and if I don't miss a shot,
I'll never come out of the game. I hated coming

out of games, and it worked against me because I
figured if I don't miss, well, you can't take me out.
So if I don't shoot, I can't miss. So I
just wouldn't shoot, and then ultimately people wuld dare me
to shoot, and then it became really difficult. I don't
know if I'm making sense.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Would they ever talk trash and be like you can't shoot, hey,
you can't shoot shoot it?

Speaker 7 (28:51):
Shoot it every game, really every game, every game, and
it's you know, you'd sit there and literally the hardest
thing to do, I think is you're wide open every
time you get It's like Ben Simmons, how they.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
Is like, you're open. You can shoot the ball anytime you.

Speaker 6 (29:07):
Want, and it's technically an open shot, you know, and
again this is also remember this is in like ninety nine,
two thousand. So what my so, like my coach at
the time, like take it in a good better shot,
Like it's actually a better shot to shoot a three,
or you can make if you make you know, three

out of ten, it's it's equally as good as making
you know, four out of ten or five out of
ten twos. And so I, you know, if I could
go back and do it, I would have sat down
my coach and be like, look, man, you gotta let me.

Speaker 5 (29:43):
Just let me do.

Speaker 6 (29:43):
Let me shoot what I'm open, don't take me out,
take me out when I turn down open shots, and
if I make a couple, everything else will open up.

Speaker 5 (29:52):
But I didn't.

Speaker 6 (29:52):
You know, I was intimidated, and I was in my
own head, and you know it it became really really hard,
and I take a.

Speaker 5 (30:01):
Personal sort of pride from it. You know.

Speaker 6 (30:03):
The way I tried to work it in my mind
was if I sucked athletically, or if I sucked at others,
they wouldn't they wouldn't play off me, right, There'd be
no fear of me, period. But the reality is it's
hard for me even to go back and watch or
show my kids, my kid that the way I played,
because it's kind of embarrassing when guys playing five feet

offee and you don't shoot.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Could you go back and.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Take tape and appeal and be like, no, this was
an assist.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
You guys did not count it.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
I need to move up the layers two assists from
this game because I'll be doing that crap.

Speaker 5 (30:34):
It's a great question and the answer is one time.

Speaker 6 (30:37):
So we played against UNLB and a really a guy
who's become a really good friend of mine, saying is
Mark Dipple. Mark is Australia, and Mark was their point guard.
And so we played them my junior year when we
stomped them, and that was when I came out of
the dog.

Speaker 5 (30:52):
I was in the doghouse. I was going to leave
the team.

Speaker 6 (30:54):
And I had a great game in Vegas, and as
as chance would happen, we played them again my year,
also in Vegas, and.

Speaker 5 (31:02):
So we get down, we molly welcome, and I remember.

Speaker 6 (31:07):
I'd always gotten a statue half time and after the game,
and I grabbed a statute and I had like four assists,
and I was like, what the you know, this is
some bowl and our other our assistant coach was my
coach's son, his named Sean Sutton, who was also point guard,
and he's like, oh, there's some you know. Like so

we actually went back and I was and I know
in my mind about how many I had, Like I
was like, I think I had thirteen or fourteen, And
we went back and like literally by definition of assist,
it was like twelve. And I was trying to you know,
I was trying to lead the country again. I was
trying to get the all time mark, which is Bobby

Gurley's mark, which is probably out of reach. So we
sent it back, We sent it to the NCAA and
they get I think they gave me nine amy nine
as sist.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
So it was the only time we ever did that.

Speaker 6 (32:03):
And really, like here's here's how crazy in what a
small world Oklahoma State is. And you know this from
your time with your TV show and go into all
these small college towns. Right is the guy who kept
stats at Oklahoma State is named Lee Manser.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
Lee's son, Rendon, played there. Lee was my marketing professor.

Speaker 6 (32:28):
As matter of fact, my last course that I had
to take, I took correspondence my senior year. I had
three hours left and it took me four years to
complete it. But like he was a hard ass, not
just like literally correspondence courses. He could have just gave
me a CE or whatever. I had to do all
the work. But it was the same way with statting,
Like my stats weren't great at home all the time

they weren't. It wasn't like they pumped up my stats.
I had my marketing professor who was screwing me with
my stats. So I know only would you get screwed
on the road, but at home, like lead Manser was
buy the book an assist and assist. I'm not giving
you extras. And so if you go back and watch tape,
there'd be passes where I turn and I point to
my marketing professor who's keeping the stats for our team.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
That's a real story, just to remind him, Hey, leap,
don't miss that.

Speaker 5 (33:16):
That's exactly what I do. That's an assist. And he'd
be like that, like that's an assist.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Doug Gottlieb show.

Speaker 5 (33:23):
Directly to a basket.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
That's the definition of the podcast is really good.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
It's all ball with Doug Gottlieb, and you can listen
to it on iHeart radio wherever you listen to your
podcasts or the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio
three to five Eastern.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
So a couple of things I wanted to talk about.

Speaker 5 (33:36):
I ask you a question, you know, Okay, come on,
let me just ask you one question.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Okay, I'm ready.

Speaker 5 (33:42):

Speaker 6 (33:42):
So I've said this, like, boy Seat is the best
city that you'll never visit?

Speaker 5 (33:48):
Yes to a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 6 (33:50):
And there's Charleston's like that. There's a lot of places
like that. And you traveled this entire country. Heck, I
know you traveled the book. So here's here's a legit question.
All these college towns you've been, you've been to? Where's
the place you're like? I kind of wish I would
have gone here? I mean, this is this is If
I could go back and pick a place, this would

be the pas.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
It's funny you bring up Boise, because Eddie, what do
I say about Boise?

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Boise? Man, it's wonderful. What do I say? It's better
than Oh, it's another country? Is no Hawaii? Oh Waii?
That's right, that's right, it's another country.

Speaker 5 (34:23):
I said, if I got to pick another country.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
I when I spent time there when I was doing
mynt GEO show. I had no idea how versatile that
city is. It doesn't matter what you want to do.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
There's some cosmopolitan part of it, there's the outdoors part
of it, there's the traditional sports part.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Boise was awesome, a little too cold for me, but
I often.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Am like, Boise is better than Hawaii to me because
I've been to Hawaii a bunch and I don't even
like the beach. I know you're from California, I don't like.
I grew up in Arkansas. We didn't have beach. I
don't like the beach. I don't even know what you do.
You sit there in the sand. Okay, what I do now?

Speaker 5 (34:56):

Speaker 6 (34:56):
I mean Lake, Honestly, Lake in many ways to be
better than beach. I'm not going to lie you there. Yeah,
because it's warmer. Yeah, there's there's a lot of these
plus like super fear of dying for me in like waves.
So I'm the guy who grew up in Orange County
and I suck at surfing. My son laughs at me
and says I'm the worst, But I'm kind of with you.

I mean, Hawaii does have incredible hikes. You know, and
and different topography than than we have.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Times out times on tof in Hawaii can't work there.

Speaker 5 (35:31):
Yeah, the time zone is really hard.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
So boys, he's good. I think Madison was. Content's awesome
if it wasn't so cold.

Speaker 5 (35:37):
I think it's it's it's so freaking cold there.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
I mean, we went really did a.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Show at the Orphium there once and it was winter,
and we had winter in arcantsas we had seasons. However,
we didn't have lakes that froze over and jeeps would
drive on them. We pulled over the car and Eddie
wanted to go walk out on the lake because it
was just frozen.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
I'm from South Texas, man, I've never seen anything like that.
That to me is bizarre. It was awesome. So Madison
is a really cool town. I like passion.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
I like almost rabid passion Athens, Georgia, and I'm not
saying it because Georgia is good. I like the climate,
and I like the music scene.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
I think Athens, Georgia Faetbel obviously is my favorite, but Athens,
george is probably number one with Boise.

Speaker 6 (36:15):
You and I've been so many places. Urban ones the
most underrated urban one, I think is the University of Washington,
because Seattle feels like a different country land the You're like, man,
this is really far from the rest of the country,

but it's close enough to the city. You have the
water right there. It's a cool look in campus. That's
I think my most underrated urban one in terms of
like college town or place that I could I could
totally dig. Like I love Austin. I don't think I
could go to school in Austin. I just feel like,
I don't know, there's so much other stuff going on.

I love at Oklahoma State how it was just all
out to school. New Mexico is kind of underrated, to
be totally honest with you. I like Utah State in Logan,
Utah that that's actually a super the Cash Valley again,
I know you don't like cold, actually very hot, warm
in the summer, and kind of smoggy. It's like, I

think it's the smoggiest place in the country.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Warm me up, let's go global warming baby.

Speaker 6 (37:23):
It's it's really But if I was gonna pick one
and I was like, man, if I could do it
all over again, I think it would probably be Tuscaloosa.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
No way, You're out of your mind, you're out of
your mind.

Speaker 6 (37:39):
Well, I took a visit to tuscal Lusa when this
was before they were really good in football. I had
I transferred from Notre Dame to and I was sitting
out of junior college and I went there and they
had I'm Jewish and they have the Jewish betraying. The
Sammy's threw me a party just for me. I have
my own female sport to the party. It was it

was so cool, like just the South.

Speaker 5 (38:04):
I don't know how they do it in the South
is really cool.

Speaker 6 (38:06):
The only issue I have with schools in the South
is that they care about basketball in the big games,
but they kind of don't give a crap most of
the year, Whereas when I was at Oklahoma State, like
we kind of ran the school and that was very
very cool.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Maybe Tuscalousa for both of us, is just associated with
an emotion. I just associated with getting the crap kicked out.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
I mean every time we go down and play football,
like I have to go stand within amongst the statues here.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
Wait wait wait, wait, wait, go ahead, I want to switch.
I want to switch oll Miss.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, well miss is awesome. Boxer is awesome.

Speaker 6 (38:38):
Just because like you go, it's like going back in
time when you go to their little town square.

Speaker 5 (38:43):
It's so cool.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
It's a little rich.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
It's a little rich for me, not like cake, like money,
and like I didn't have money for most of my
life and it was like all rich people and like
fraternities and sororities.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
But yeah, it is.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
It definitely is. I will point by, I don't know
if you.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Know this, but you are rich now now, yes, But
I still I still feel like I'm not for the
most part.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
He's not talking about cake either, No, right, yeah, no, no, Look,
I get it.

Speaker 6 (39:11):
Like I remember when I went to Notaday my freshman year,
and uh, you know, people can google. It's not hard
to find like I screwed up it. It's stupid, stupid stuff.
But I loved some of the spirit of it. But
I did feel like obviously I had never been to
a private school.

Speaker 5 (39:28):
I wasn't Catholic.

Speaker 6 (39:29):
But more than anything, there was a lot of affluence
there and I was just a kid from Orange, California
and it was I'm not I'm not saying like I
walked uphill to school barefoot, but naked in the snow.
You know, it's uphill both ways. But I didn't come
from a ton and I just felt like I remember

they had J Crew catalogs that got delivered to our
entire dorm, and dudes to get the jquketalog and the
others go through and they this is what I want,
and they would tell their mom whatever and they ordered,
and it's like I didn't even know what JA Crew was.
Like literally, I had one pair of jeans and had
my mom got me this horrendous LLBean parka green Llllbean Parker,
and that was like my warm my winter coat, and

I anytime it was below fifty. You talked about Madison
and weather, but people don't know about being by the lake,
especially on the other side of Lake Michigan. Is it's
not just lake effect snow. You get lake effect overcast weather.
So I mean, I remember not seeing the sun for

the entire month of November, like literally the sun never
came out late October, November and in December and then
it got cold and snowy and it really kind of
affected you mentally.

Speaker 5 (40:43):
So that's the part of that side of it.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
That's why I didn't play football in the Big Ten. Oh,
that's it, because it was just too cold for me.
I just didn't feel like for me, that was you know,
the ingredients weren't there. So, speaking of football, a couple
things here, because I listened to you and you have
no fear, which I admire in just giving your opinion
and if you're wrong, going hey, you know way back then,

that's kind of wrong. But so I like that because
sometimes I struggle with saying I'm wrong. I just forget
ever said it. I'm like, no, never heard of it.
So let's talk for a second about c J.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Stroud. Now, what did you think of c J.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Stroud when he when he was drafted by the Texans,
and then what do you think.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Of him now? And what's the difference in your mind
on what he can do his ceiling?

Speaker 6 (41:28):
Okay, so we all carry like biases right against guys,
and the problem is you went to Ohio State, and
how many Ohio State quarterbacks have we seen that they're
throwing the guys who are wide open?

Speaker 5 (41:42):
You know? So like how much skill does it take
when you have It's like.

Speaker 6 (41:46):
The old back when USC was rolling and Carson Palmer
was great, Matt Leonard wasn't a good college, wasn't a
great pro quarterback. Why because like in the pros, you've
got to throw guys over you don't have better players
than everybody else. So I think part of the CJ.
Stroud thing was like the quarterback. The two quarterbacks before
him had both put up ridiculous numbers and weren't good pros,

and you're watching a guy he didn't move around a
ton and he was just kind of okay, again based
upon the billing last year. Meanwhile, Bryce Young I saw
playing high school. I live close to modern day. I
have friends that are there, And he's always been seen
as this like quarterbacks savant, can read defenses, can move
around and throw, and he's tiny. He's he's by NFL standards,

he's an oompalloomba. You know, he's not part of the
lollipop lollipop game.

Speaker 5 (42:37):
And I thought, okay, well, outside of him being small,
and there's been small guys Russell Wilson, Kyler, Murray, Drew Brees,
maybe he can do it because he has all these
other things, whereas c J. Stroud is bigger, stronger, But like,
does he move that well? Is he really that good?

Speaker 6 (42:51):
Is it just that Ohio State has way better players
than everybody else's. Ohio State has this like it's like Alabama.

Speaker 5 (42:57):
They have all these great wide receivers and they're just
better than nine of the ten opponents they play.

Speaker 6 (43:01):
So I carried that against him and I was like,
I don't get it. I don't see him being star.
What's his ceiling? I mean, I don't know if he
can be a superstar. But you can't do anything in
the NFL unless you have a dude back there, a
guy you can count on, a guy that can play,
can deliver the mail. He doesn't have to be Aaron Rodgers,

he doesn't have to be Pat Mahomes. But he can't
be one of these guys that stinks. He can't be
Zach Wilson. He can't be a guy that And then
the real magic to building a team in the NFL
is you got to do it during year two, three,
and four of their rookie contract because they don't make
much money, and then you can build a whole roster
around them.

Speaker 5 (43:40):
Houston has that.

Speaker 6 (43:41):
So that's where I do two things though, Bobby, I
want to make sure I point this out. I will
say that I'm wrong, but I also don't hate saying
when I was right, You know, everybody's like.

Speaker 5 (43:52):
You know, I don't want to be that guy.

Speaker 1 (43:54):

Speaker 5 (43:55):
I like being that guy. I really like being that
guy that says yet no, I like to say I
told you so what about? That's why it works for me.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
The situation in Michigan right now, is this going to
get worse before it gets better? Or will we just
look back at this and laugh in three years.

Speaker 5 (44:07):
I think we'll look back and laugh three years. It's stupid, stupid,
you know, I mean, look, was there Hubris?

Speaker 6 (44:16):
Is that why they sent some ex marine out on
the road to go and yeah, and like he put
everything under his own name, like they weren't even trying
to hide it. But like this idea of advanced scouting.
I mean, I don't know if you know this story.
Mike Leach, late Mike Leech, who of course was a
Mississippi State, Washington State, and Texas Tech.

Speaker 5 (44:38):
There's a story you can google and see it online.

Speaker 6 (44:41):
He was the offensive coordinator at Oklahoma Bob Stoops's first
year nineteen ninety nine two thousand and they beat Texas
and the famous story was they left a scatter report
mistakenly on the field at the Cotton Bowl before the game.
And then they knew Texas thought things were coming and
they did the opposite. Right, this stuff's been happening. Like

I played football growing up, and I remember like we
used to line up with our backs to the other
team in case they were spying on us.

Speaker 5 (45:10):
High school football teams think somebody's spying them. So everybody
assumes somebody's looking and trying to find your signals. You know,
basketball teams they use copy or they go to a
tournament and they find your hand signals in your calls.
They wouldn't have three different signs and guys you know,
you know, doing the Larry Moe and Curly if they

didn't think somebody was sicking. I just I think part
of it is people don't really like Harball. Part of
it is there is some a ton of arrogance there
with Michigan. And part of it is like we've crept
in this era now where everybody has a cell phone,
so there's no real secrets, right, and we knew this

was going on, and there's counterintelligence going on as well.
It looks bad.

Speaker 6 (45:59):
They're holding hard out and I'm only interested in what
happens against Ohio State if that somehow changes the tenor
of the game. I don't think he makes play calls.
I don't think he does a ton game day outside
of that one decision.

Speaker 5 (46:12):
Do we go for it?

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Do we not go for it?

Speaker 5 (46:14):
Do we punt here? Do we go for it?

Speaker 6 (46:16):
You know, like the last and final word you're missing
and the adjustments at halftime for a guy who you
know played at every level and played well and then
has coached at every level and coached well. So I
think those things you are missing. But yeah, we're gonna
look back and go really, you know, it's like you
know this, the SEC was buying kids long before nil,

Like that's the best advantage you can have, have better
players than the other team, whereas the Big ten, like
this is cheating.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
The SEC has to be laughing at the Big Ten.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
The Doug Gotlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio Monday through
Friday three to five Eastern and All Ball with Doug
Gottlib great podcast on iHeartRadio wherever you get your podcasts. Doug,
massive fan, Thank you for the time I listened. Basically
everything I.

Speaker 5 (46:58):
Want in studio. I want to be one of the
Mimians in studio.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Do you come? I don't live here, but you can
come whenever you want, so whenever you're here, just come in.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
All right.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
That's all Dundale fan as well.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
I want to reach out. If it wasn't, but I
didn't love you, So thanks Bobby.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Well, Doug appreciates time, buddy, see you later.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
All right, that's it, we're done.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
I have to fly to Dallas because I'm going to
I'm not the host of the ACMs, but I'm like
the junior varsity host. There's like two or you ever
see Stranger Things, where it'll be like the same place,
but on each side of it. That's like reebuny on
the side that wall upside down. Yeah, I'm in the
upside down.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
You know.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
I'm backstage the whole time talking with people and they
just throw to me constantly.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
That's cool. So yeah, I'm in the cool You get
to hang out with people and you're not like in
the formal area. You're backstage.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Yeah it's nicecause I don't want to be with anybody, right.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Hey, and so I thought about this instead of signing
a card or anything.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Like that, I'm not getting the Cowboys hold it. I
don't even know there'll be any there, but if.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
That maybe Cooper bebe will be there, dude, you know,
like you got col You're and frist I go to
Cooper and be like, what U buddy, because that's our
Kansas state guy for sure? Can you just do a
video real quick, like, hey, Dak dactor was my buddy Eddy?
Just say what's up? Okay?

Speaker 3 (48:07):
If it is not completely weird?

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Okay, I would do that, okay, but I.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Never want to be like I'm the extreme superfan that
makes it uncomfortable for them to be around me.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
But you can blame it on me.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
I can't.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Buddy, Eddy's freaking man.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Man, my buddy, Bobby. He wants you to say this.
He's dying your buddy, Bobby. But your name's Bobby.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
It's another Bobby as a friend of mine, Bobby.

Speaker 3 (48:28):

Speaker 1 (48:28):
My final thoughts are, I'm off to Dallas. I'll look
for the Cowboys. They can't w BA fun to watch.
I'll watch another game with Kaitlyn Clark. Yeah, it's goodbe
haters of Kaitlin Clark.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
That's what I'll leave with you now. My Timberwolves are
letting me down.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Oh my god, I forgot to mention that they lost again.
Lots of time yep, let's go. No, no, I told
you guys they were done. Oh too, that was the
one team I would have bet Denver. I bet them
one hundred bucks for seventeen.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Hundred going on also too on some of the games.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
Oh it sucks for you, dude, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
That's okay. Listen the Pacers. I think it's so funny,
is the dude.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
They they're trying to fight.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
They want to fight the whole game. And my favorite
thing is remember that girl coach Kevin the assistant.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we saw Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
She gets in the middle of every fight, and it's
so fun to see the big guys go I'm gonna
kill you, and then the coach gets annoys all right,
I'll settle down. It's like the mom getting in the middle. Yeah, guy,
I love it.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
My cash out so I bet one hundred bucks on
the Nuggets when they were down two to win the
whole thing. One hundred bucks, win seventeen hundred. My cash
out's four hundred right now, cash out, man, I'm not
kidding it.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
He no like cashing out.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
It could all change.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Do you see the guy that had bet the parlay
It was like the Chiefs. Something in the Thunder and
when they went down one two two one, I think
he cashed out.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
What was the what was the cash out? At one
point I already won that.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
At one point I saw it.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
It was like almost two hundred thousand dollars. Wow for
one point seven million if Oklahoma City Thunder wins it.
But then they lost, went down one two, it got
downe to like eighty grand. He's like, I'm cashing out. Yeah,
but then they won again, and I was kicking himself. Okay,
Eddie good Kevin.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
Celtics got to close it out.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Yeah they will, good luck, Yeah, they will. Hope the wait, wait,
Celtics or Celtics.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
The Ladies, Yeah, the lady, not the lady Celtics, the Celtics,
the Boston Celtics. Jason Tatum, let's kill.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
I hope they.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Close it out because I don't want them to bring
Porzingis back until he's fully healthy. And they're not gonna
rush it back if they don't have to. So I
hope they close it out. And it's gonna be fun
to watch Boston and New York play each other.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
Oh, that's gonna be a wild one.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
That's just gonna be and be scrappy.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Oh yeah, New.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
York's gonna riot.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Indiana is still in the mix.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Yeah, but but I know it's not good.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
And also go razorback softball. The plan this week cool
the regional tournament. We need to win the whole tournament.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
We'll see you guys soon. Thank you for listening to
twenty five whistles.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
That's a good one man. Thank you all right, by everybody,
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