25W: Is Bobby Going to ESPN? + Ed McCaffrey on Being a Dad vs Former Player to His Sons + An Update on Eddie's Seasoning Business + Beauty & The Beast Review

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Speaker 3 (01:19):
A podcast called twenty five stuck it full and they
whizz So, yeah, it's too bad, but what did you expect?
It's a podcast called twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Wiste Oh, blow up west Letty thank you. I had
asked Eddie this question. I'm just gonna play it, so Eddie,
don't don't spoil it yet. I'm not say anything, but
I asked Eddie. I said, hey, I've had zero things.
This is the thing I've bet nothing ever in my butt.
I guess I call an but here you go. Okay,

(01:52):
things I've stuck in my butt.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
Zero things.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
But let me ask Eddie what he's stuck in his butt?

Speaker 5 (01:59):
Uh jumper, fishing row, there's a fishing bucket. There's a football,
there's a basketball, baseball gloves. I think that's it.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Were in your garage?

Speaker 5 (02:15):
No, he asked me. He asked me separately. Didn't hear
him record the first part? And he comes up to
He's like, hey, will you just TikTok thing with me?
I'm gonna ask you a generic question, what do you
have in the back of your car? Right now? I'm
gonna report that as inappropriate.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
We don't watch those all weekend and laught so hard
the trend. I didn't.

Speaker 5 (02:37):
I knew you wouldn't have seen the trend that I
didn't see it. Yeah, I didn't see.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
When you have fishing pole, I laughed.

Speaker 5 (02:42):
You can hear a big old fishing pole.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Uh, yeah, we're back. Hey, I'll address it here. I'm
not going to ESPN everybody. There was an article that
came out. I don't know if you guys saw the article.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
I did see a little something. Yeah, you were a
dark horse though, huh, I.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Was dark horse? A dark horse. I've never been a
dark horse.

Speaker 6 (03:06):
Let's see.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
The article is eleven potential successors to Paul find Baum
at ESPN. These top college football talkers are in prime
position to move up if Mouth of the South leaves
TV for a political run, because Paul find bombs that
he wants to go run for office. And I like
Paul a lot, And so they started listening listening people

(03:28):
Josh Pate, Greg McElroy. Macroy's played quarterback for Alabama, Cole Kublick,
Marty Smith, Ryan McGee from Marty and McGhee, dary Noka,
Alyssa Lang, Peter Burns, Booger McFarlane, and me.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
That's a list.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
They had some good things to say about you.

Speaker 7 (03:47):
Man.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Bones is a dark horse, but he's I was a
little offended for you guys though, why I'll read this.
I'll tell you why. Bones is a dark horse, but
he's hugely popular in the region as a country music
talk personality syndicated at a nation Fill. He has some sports chops,
hosting a weekly NFL podcast with Matt Castle and occasionally
filling in for Rich Eisen. Bones is a diehard Arkansas
fan and he would fit well on SEC network programming.

Speaker 5 (04:10):
Nothing about Whistles one of the crab just don't take
us seriously.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Nobody takes us seriously. So I did have a bunch
of people reach out, like, are you going to ESPN
ads right now? No, only I don't know anything about it.
I think it was just somebody making a list.

Speaker 5 (04:24):
You'd have done that show before. You've been guests on
that show a few.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Times on Fine Bomb Show, Yeah, I've been a guest
a bunch of times. But I mean that's just he
just wants to no Arkansas stupid stuff. That's easy. But yeah,
I thought, what what's he like as a person when
the cameras are on super dynamic? When the cameras are off,
you got nothing to say. I like them a lot
because I would similarly to how I do this show,

(04:50):
and that I don't want to talk to anybody before
we get on the air in any way whatsoever. I've
had to openly force myself to be more warm when
people just show up because I don't want to put
any energy to anything that's not being recorded, right. And
I think it was Colby Cala who came in and
she was like, yeah, you're kind of cold, and I
was like, oh, dang.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
And she told you that you were just acting cold like.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
She thought he was mad at her. Oh, And I
was like, no, I just don't want to waste any
energy on anything before we start. But it was a
good note for me because I don't feel like I'm
my heart's not cold toward the person. I'm going, hey,
thank you for coming. Let's just get started, because I
just want to hit it with anything we have, but
that can be interpreted as cold. So now I've made

(05:35):
an absolute effort and I was glad she gave me
this note. That's what you say, thanks for the note,
because I do am warmer to people now when they
show up, like for a Bobby cast, because I don't
want them feeling that way because I do not feel cold.
I'm excited they're here. I just want all that to
come out being recorded. I wanted to come across as
I feel it. But yeah, I.

Speaker 5 (05:52):
Love that she told you that though, because I think
most people would just be like, well that was It
was weird when I first walked in.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yeah, we were doing some sort of I've known Colby
for a little bit, but we were doing some sort
of like evaluation Brandon, what were you doing? How did
that come up? She was talking about how insecure she is,
oh and how people will think she like is not nice,
and I was saying the same, like if I'm in
a if I'm not working, like I'm the most introverted person.

Speaker 6 (06:20):
She is too, And we're like on that note, like
when I first came in, you were really cold, and
I took that as, oh, I guess he doesn't like me.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yes, that's funny, and I said, thank you for the note.
I totally understand why you would think that, But here's
what's happening in my head. One, they don't even really
want to be here. They're doing this for whatever promotional
reason and to anything we have. Let's just go out
and put it on the mic in that order. And
so was both of us just kind of fighting.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
And you're not one for small talk?

Speaker 1 (06:50):
I hate it.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Yeah, like a lot of people like I don't mind
small talk, Eddie, Edie, Eddie, major.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
Talk. I don't want to be serious. I have time
to be serious.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, yeah, Eddie.

Speaker 8 (07:03):
If you look at his degree from Sam Houston in
small talk, podcast, journalism minor, and small talk. Yeah, so
that's what he's like. But always super gracious.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Anytime I have asked him to come on anything, it's
a yes. Anytime he asked me to come on anything,
it's a yes. Like I really do like him, but
I don't have any plans. I don't know if I
could actually do it. Mean, yeah, I have the capabilities.
I have the capabilities do that and crush it and
be as good or better than anybody on that list.
I have to think that I have to think irrationally
about myself or nobody else will, right, So I think

(07:37):
I would do that job better than anybody. However, I
don't think I can and I don't want to take
a pay cut.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
So did you think about that when he when he
said that he was going to run for political officer
or not once? Or is this the first time he
thought of it when you saw the list?

Speaker 1 (07:50):
The only time I thought about anything like this. They
asked me once if I would come and do some
fill in stuff if he's on vacation and they shoot
in Charlotte, and I didn't want to miss the show.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
Oh he's out of Charlotte where LA was a.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Lot easy, your big time difference. It just didn't work
out when they asked for me to fill in.

Speaker 5 (08:07):
So like his set, his set just seems like where is.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
He He's everywhere in the woods somewhere, He's everywhere, like
out the window. Do we hit our parlay?

Speaker 4 (08:17):
No? Not even close, not even close.

Speaker 7 (08:20):
No.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
We were Ozero for three boys Indiana, damy cover.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
No, they won by twenty four. We had a twenty
eight and a half.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
That pisses me off when they.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
All miss lost by or you lost the cover by
a point and a half?

Speaker 5 (08:32):
Ooh you lost?

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Oh I lost too, Eddy, I lost the worst.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Probably.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
I mean my I had Alabama lost hovering.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yes, I gotta tell you I've speaking of losing. I've
lost so much money the last weekend.

Speaker 7 (08:41):
Same.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
I can't do. I have weekends, I have months even
where I'm like, dude, it didn't matter. I can close
my eyes and push one and whatever it is. I'm
the opposite right now. Like everything I've bet on. I
have lost so much money in the past two weeks.

Speaker 5 (08:55):
See, I thought the same thing that you were thinking.
So on Sunday morning, I was like, that's it. I'm
doing the opposite. So I gave the phone to my son.
I said, whatever I tell you, click the opposite.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Get your gambling. That's great.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
All my kids they love it. Sunday morning is their favorite.

Speaker 7 (09:08):
Dude.

Speaker 5 (09:09):
On the way to church, they were like, Dad, are
we doing the parlay? Yes, sir, here's the phone as
I'm driving to church.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
But yeah, so I told her.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
So.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
I told my son like, all right, you got Bill's Bucks, right,
And I was like, Bill's are gonna win it? All right?
He clicked Bucks without even me knowing. So it didn't work.

Speaker 7 (09:26):
Don't work.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
It didn't work. Strategy. Yeah, I was a lad. My
Conkie touchdown away from everybody's always one pick away. But
I hit Nico, I did a I did four person
anytime touchdowns, Nico Collins hit, James Cook hit I did
Josh Jacobs. But he got hurt. He may be gone
for a while. Huh. Yeah, what's because I.

Speaker 5 (09:46):
But okay, So if you would have gotten lad, they
would have given you a credit on that.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, so I know I already I got early exit
eligible as soon as he went out, I.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
Got early exit on Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Still didn't help us.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
Didn't help me.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
You think because Aaron Rodgers hurt his left wrist his
non throwing rest. Yeah, you think he plays. You think
because they're playing the Bears and he kind of owns
the Bears. You think he braces it up. I don't
know how bad it. Mondays are always weird because we
really don't know what the injuries.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
Yeah, it said a possible broken like a broken bone
or something is what I saw. So, but it's your left.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Wrist, right, Yeah, but you get the snap right, you're
out there, people are hitting you, correct and your fall,
you brace yourself with that left You're done.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
That's true, But it is the Bears to your point,
he behind, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (10:30):
You know my son, like he plays in the junior
high football team. There was a kid that played with
the cast.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, but you can do that, you can wrap.

Speaker 5 (10:36):
It, so maybe just cast him up defensive players.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
They'll use it as a club.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
Yeah, oh yeah, not cool.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
What's up?

Speaker 4 (10:42):
No, that just hurts, like when you're playing against them
and they can use it as a club.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
So I have Mark Grace his cell phone number.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
Let's call him.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
I'm not calling Frank. He's been He's one of my
three white whales who haven't been able to catch Moby
Dick reference Mark Grace, David Letterman, Sting the wrestler. I
have a cell phone number.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Did you just get it?

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah? May I ask how did.

Speaker 7 (11:08):
You get that?

Speaker 1 (11:09):
You may ask Greg Swindell who used to pitch for
We won a World Series with Swindell, Yeah, with the Diamondbacks.
And they both go and do the fantasy camp where
people like us go and play ball for a few days.
That's what we should do next year, is like just
go find a fan. I did the coach cal Fantasy
camp at Arkansas.

Speaker 7 (11:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
I wouldn't recommend that, Oh unless you yeah, get did
somebody go to the hospital. Well no, no, a lot
of people went to the hospital. But unless you are
playing a lot of full court pickup ball, it's hard
to play. It says, two deaths. Yeah, that's the death toll.
Not bad actually if you play a lot of pickup ball,

(11:48):
because it's it's a lot of ex college players and
it's a bunch of people who do all these camps
and travel around the country to do them.

Speaker 5 (11:54):
That's crazy, okay.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
And then most of them are to college players and
they bring in like some ringers too, because it's fun
to play with other like Mateen Cleave's played with the
So if it were all guys like us, it'd be awesome.
But it h a little advanced. It's a little advanced.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
Okay, Yeah, it's tough basketball.

Speaker 5 (12:11):
Did you ask for the number or was it given
to you? How did that go down?

Speaker 1 (12:15):
I did their podcast, So there's a new podcast and
it is Greg Swindell and it is Keith Morland. Both
played in the majors. Keith Morlan played football at Texas
as well and played for the Cubs. And it's called
like Zeke and zoonk. That's that what it's called. Zeke
and Zong's inside the game. Yeah, So they had me

(12:36):
on and I was just a guest and what's funny
as I'm open, I hate Texas. Texas lost to Georgia
and anyway, so we're doing the podcast and I was like,
you played with Mark Grace, Like I can't get a
hold of them, and he was like, oh, they changed
his number. I was like no, ever, like just can't.
He never will respond to me? Who am Because he

(12:58):
thought I like he like my call or something or
he was like, OKAYT get a hold of himmy I
could he probably And I was like no, no, no, he
just has always avoided me. And so he called him
and was like, hey, he just sent me his number.
I'm never going to call him. It's like whenever I
was giving Bill Cell's number from Bill self's attorney who's
like a fan of the show, He's like, oh, I
told him you call and I just wouldn't call him.

(13:20):
I was like what, I'm like, call him?

Speaker 4 (13:22):
What about a text?

Speaker 1 (13:24):
But what do I say?

Speaker 5 (13:25):
What do you say of it?

Speaker 1 (13:26):
There's nothing.

Speaker 7 (13:28):
Whale?

Speaker 4 (13:29):
Come on?

Speaker 1 (13:30):
I wrote about him in my book There you go,
and he knows that, right, yeah? But do I No
one's going to be friends with me. It's like this,
if you're ever like a fan of an artist or
never going to be your.

Speaker 5 (13:39):
Friend, you're telling me Eddie Vetter is never going to
be my friend.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Never would he be your friend in real life?

Speaker 5 (13:47):
Like, there's no chance of that.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Not if he knew how much of a fan you were.
Got it because it creates an awkward dynamic of are
they my friend because they're a fan? Are they so? Yeah,
that's what's up as number. Maybe I get them booked
on something someday. I know I don't want to interview
him on Zoom because Mike, I don't consider us as
having interviewed Adam Sandler for real.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
Nah, in person, we had him on Zoom.

Speaker 5 (14:12):
That doesn't count because I've told him so many people
that I've interviewed Jimmy Buffett, but that was on Zoom.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
He was a guest on the show. But I don't
really consider that a real unless you do it in person.
I don't like a lot of zooms because you can't
really connect hardy connect with people like I have one
coming up this week with Mary Povic. Oh that's cool,
it is cool, but you always wonder if that barrier
that Zoom barrier because they have to come on being
extra generous because you got a way in like normal

(14:41):
conversations like I have one tomorrow with Phil Rosenthal. Do
you know who that is?

Speaker 5 (14:44):
Yes, Lot bow Tie, No, that's Ken, That's who that
guy Phil.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
So on Netflix he has the show called, uh, Police
Feed Field. What's it called? On? Somebody Somebody Feet Phil? Okay,
he created Everybody Loves Raymond. Oh, I know who that is? Yes?

Speaker 5 (15:06):
I saw him on the documentary about them going to
Russia and.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
At that show. Yes, yes, So he came over for
like an hour. That's it was awesome. And David Letterman,
who's on my White Well list his production companies on
started Raymond. Wow, I have Letterman's number. Randon gave me
a cell phone number, but we had it in person
and it was so good because we're talking and like,

(15:30):
if I'm saying something, he just you can just interrupt.
It's a weird way to say you can interrupt each
other without it feeling weird or disjointed. On Zoom, you
kind of have to wait for the person to stop
talking and then you get in because then you get
like the.

Speaker 5 (15:43):
Yeah, not a lot of good conversations happening more like
question answer, question answer.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
So I don't consider the Sandler thing. Really, I got you,
and but you can if you want. Jimmy Buffett, It's
all good.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
I've already told a lot of people about that. No
taking it back and hey, remember when I told you
I interviewed too It take you back around another.

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Speaker 1 (17:53):
I would like to say this too, and I hope
this is accepted in the way that I mean it.
I love the police, oh Rock Sam, Nope, like the
police officers who go out every single day and risk
it alive. I have, I have not only publicly raised,
but personally given because I backed the blue. Oh is

(18:15):
this the cop the copy douchebag? Douchebag move? You can't
the copy one in the South Carolina player, Oh horrible,
but two of them?

Speaker 9 (18:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, and you And you know what's funny, I'm glad
you said that because the one he hit the hardest
was the one we can really see on camera that much.
We really only see the middle one. But he hit
the dude douchebag. Now, I do not think he should
lose his job. Everybody wants to go, let's fire everybody
right away when they do something stupid. That was stupid.
That's a douchebag move. I'd also like to say, I've
done stupid things, and I've done douchebag things. That's a

(18:47):
douchebag move. He got relieved from the game. If he's
been a good cop and everything's good, check the It's
just it's just a little slap and learn from it.
We all make mistakes. But dude, that sucked, right.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
Yeah, I was watching it live and it was like, wait,
did that really just happen on TV?

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Well, then they kept showing it over and over you
saw it, but yeah, it was live.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
They still had the camera on the player running into
the tunnel and coming out, and you saw the whole
thing happen live. And I'm like, what a douchebag.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
I can't be a bigger back up of the Blue
than Yes. Yes, but that one instant. There are fans
of this show that have heard me douchebags. And it
doesn't mean they stop being fans of anything we do.
They just know Bobby Schuman and sometimes says or dust
things that are douchebaggy, and that was one of those things.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
Now, is that getting too close to your fandom, because
obviously he's a fan of an I assume, and he
was just pissed that they scored a long touchdown and
they were upsetting him.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
I assume you have to be you have a gun
on you, Oh God, when you have a gun on you,
there are different rules to separate yourself. Yes, you can't
be emotional because of a game if you have a
gun on you for any reason. Good point, I wonder,
and I played it out of my head because he
bumps them both and then one of the middle is like, Yo,
why did you just do that? And what if the

(19:55):
what if the copper turned aroun said something and he's
like oh yeah, and then he arrests them and like
puts them o rest of a helmet, because I don't
think we were far from that, if I'm being honest.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Well, I'm surprised. The first thing I thought it was
the players actually acted really cool. Yeah, I agree, because
they could have been like yo, what the and then
just like Cop, I know, but you're twenty years old.
You just don't know the caught off guard though they're
like what yeah, and I mean yeah after a big
play like that too, emotions are high and you just
never know.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah, I didn't like that. I hope that Cop straightens
it up, straightens it out.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
He's done with the games. Right when I say he
was related of.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
That game, I would not put back on patrol. Dude,
you have to death for a while. You have to
all you need to do a desktop. You're getting cats
out of trees for about two months. That's it. This
guy's got to go to Thanksgiving. Yes, he's going. He's
gonna get it.

Speaker 5 (20:47):
That's funny, surprise.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
I haven't seen his name yet.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
You know what, don't don't and I don't want to.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
I don't want to, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I
hope they don't dox him. I don't think he because
mob mentality is no joke that.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
I just thought, Man, what a freaking loser in that moment,
As someone who's also been a loser of many moments, like.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
What to keep saying that in that moment?

Speaker 1 (21:05):
But how about that game was crazy?

Speaker 5 (21:07):
Crazy?

Speaker 1 (21:08):
I didn't even bet it, so I what thirty three
and half thirty three? Yeah, I stopped watching in the
first half when I got out of control because in
my head, I'm thinking A and M's going to come back.
A and M's going to come back. For sure. A
and M's going to come back. Halftime comes and I
was like, man, should I go and just bet a
little bit on A and M and the points? And
I'm like, I don't want touch it because I was
rooting for South Carolina. I have nothing against A and M.

Speaker 5 (21:30):
That's always a struggle when you're rooting for the team.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
And like Shane Biemer in the Alabama game, didn't work
out for them, and they're they've been close, and so
I was like that and so bad. I didn't watch it.
I just kept watching it tick up on the on
the score, and I was like, I'm not going over
to it just whole because if I start watching it,
I feel like the worst thing possible is going to happen.
Anytime I jump on a game, whatever I don't want
to happen happens. That's what I feel like. So I'm like,
I'm staying off. I'm staying off. I'm staying off. And

(21:54):
I didn't watch it. I saw the highlights later, but
it was, Yeah, it was rough.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
I feel bad for South Carolina fans because I'm like, you,
I root for him just like internally from when we
went there. But that was rough, man, that was rough.

Speaker 5 (22:05):
I think it was the biggest comeback in school history
for E and M.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
I believe it. It may be like one of the
biggest comebacks in SEC.

Speaker 7 (22:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
I saw something about like two hundred and eighty two
and er and leading by twenty seven and a half
in the SEC and they were the one last one.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah, yeah, that was a bad one.

Speaker 5 (22:22):
So I did that.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
I got a couple other things up from my notes,
I think the NFL games started to be pretty good.
Like did on paper. It wasn't the sexiest slate of games,
but the games ended up being a bunch of one
score games that were that were pretty good.

Speaker 5 (22:35):
Yeah, the whole day was pretty good.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Okay, I wrote cop st players.

Speaker 5 (22:39):
Except the night game, I don't.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
I didn't watch it. I went to that a halfet
smart Eagles and have one in that right.

Speaker 5 (22:46):
Yeah they did, but I mean they just couldn't score
like I think.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
The Eagles can score. Last game.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
I know their defense is their whole team right now, Well.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
We're I have as my quarterbackup Jalen Hurts on my
fantasy teams, and he still gets the some points because
he runs.

Speaker 7 (23:04):
Man.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yeah, I did you watch the fight in the crowd
of the UFC fight.

Speaker 5 (23:09):
I didn't. I didn't see the fight. I watched the fights,
but I guess that was during commercial. Didn't see the
actual fight.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
But opposite of me, I don't watch the fights. I
only saw the fight. Yeah, so we in and yang
on that one. I don't watch the fights, but I
watched that many times and so and you can tell
me about because I saw Dana White Band somebody specific. Yeah,
but it was hilarious because all the dudes fighting are bald.
It looks like a bunch of Hey, what's on with that.

(23:37):
It's just a bunch of like bald dudes just going
at it, a bunch of bald heads. I didn't know
who the guy was that Dana even band. Is he
a fighter? I know who he is. I don't even
remember his name.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
Dylan Dannis, Was it right, Dylan Danis?

Speaker 5 (23:53):
No, it was the other one whoever he fought away
was the bigger fighter.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
The guy's name who even who won that fight though
his name is Islam. And I saw a post that
said Islam's at the White House and people were getting
all pissed because I guess he took a picture. I'm
a casual as much as you could be a casual.
I'm a casual. And it was day White and the
fighter and Trump, and I said Islam at the White House,

(24:19):
and so I'm always up for a good comment, like dude,
And it was everybody like Trump has betrayed us, He's
not Christian. And then I'm like, no, no, no, no, no,
He's a fighter regardless of what his religion is. The
headline really meant the guy's name, yeah, Islam. Although I
thought to myself, then, whomever wrote the headline, that's pretty

(24:41):
smart kind of sure. Yeah, did I get got by?

Speaker 4 (24:44):
Did you see the tuist comments after the game Jerusalem?

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah? I think I thought I didn't spend enough on it, but.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
I was just I didn't anymore. And I just saw
watched it and it looks real, but I'm like, I'm
just gonna stay away from it.

Speaker 5 (24:56):
What did he say?

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Well, I just saw it written, so I didn't even
see ai where they were because that game was in Spain. Yeah, Madrid, Madrid,
and so they have that football game in Spain. Miami wins,
they beat the Commanders. It was an early game. Good
thank god those are over God awful, it's a bad game. Uh.
And then they were like overtime. Yeah, oh yeah, I
did you know. I've blocked that out in my mind,

(25:18):
just that game. I think I've blocked it out.

Speaker 7 (25:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
And they were like, hey, how do you feel out
playing these games in the countries, And he goes, yeah,
it would be cool, like next maybe Jerusalem.

Speaker 5 (25:27):
Oh well, well, well, to be fair, they had they did.
They did them all kind of in London first, right,
like the last few seasons. Yes, now, Johnny, this is
the first I think in Spain. They did Brazil earlier
this year. So on Mexico, Yeah, they've done Mexico. So
maybe he's just.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
I don't know if it was AI or not. But
also I didn't see a reason that that would be aied.
I know there's the whole Israel anti Israel, Israel, Palestine,
there's all that, But I didn't know if him saying
that would be controversial as a player.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
It's just a lot of people, I don't know. They
took it where like this guy's head is just like
he shouldn't have cut back. Yeah, you know what I mean.
I'm like, is this people just taking someone running with it?

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Can you AI check Brandon and see if he really
said that. I pulled it up.

Speaker 6 (26:07):
It says that he said it would be pretty cool
to play a future in the NFL International Game in Julush, Jerusalem,
adding that'd be sick.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Okay, did he say that? It was it written by
a source that actually saw it. He said, you want
the clip, Yeah, but the clip could be a I too,
But I thought he did say it, and I took
no offense to anything.

Speaker 5 (26:26):
I don't either.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
What the crap do I care where they want to
play games? And if you wants to go to Israel
and see, that's awesome.

Speaker 5 (26:32):
It's like a bucket list, right, Like Fiji would be cool,
But I guess there's no one fans Australia. The Nice
Island is not Australia.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
It's right off the coast, but it's not Australia.

Speaker 5 (26:43):
No, no, no, it's Fiji.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, yeah, it's.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
I just I just thought like if they were to
asking me, I'd be like, oh, Fiji would be cool, Mike,
maybe let me wanted to go, let me see if
I get offended, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
I hate it.

Speaker 9 (27:00):
It'd be pretty cool to go play in Jerusalem.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
I don't know that'd be sick.

Speaker 5 (27:06):
Why does this sound like Muhammad Ali's there too, Well,
it sounds.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Like he's doing it through a phone, like a press
conference to a speaker like Charlie's Angels, that little speaker.

Speaker 7 (27:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah, everybody just wants to get mad about something. We're
in a rage rage environment.

Speaker 5 (27:19):
Speaking of what do you think about aj Brown and
his like? I love that, dude. I wish all of
my fantasy players would tell me that ahead of time. Okay, cool,
I won't.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
I'll bet you he's obviously irritated that he's not getting
the ball.

Speaker 5 (27:34):
He got some targets last night.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
So I think if I were him, I would be
a lot more irritated if everybody was getting the ball
but him. They just can't. They're just right right. You
know who else is who should say that is Justin
Jefferson because j J McCarthy sucks.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
And Justin Jefferson wants to in the face dude.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
You see, yeah, like he gets so mad.

Speaker 5 (27:56):
Good for him though, Like I saw him struggling to
throw his helmet.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Like and they laid it down. He's like, you know what,
he put it down hard, but he laid it down.
I'm gonna say it, I'd be a better quarterback, jo
Jim McCarthy. It's like when someone says some college team
will beat the Browns, like like, so I think I
can play quarterback better than which is not not true

(28:22):
in anyway. I'm just kidding, but that that's that's an
ugly offense to watch, and they still almost won the
freaking Bears. The Bears winning, and regardless of what bad
teams they beat and how they win, they're gonna make
the playoffs. Uh, it's same with the Broncos, and the
Broncos had a good win. Think about this word about

(28:43):
the Broncos is they have been beating sucky teams in
weird ways, and that they didn't beat a sucky team
in a weird way, that's good. I hate that they
won because we have a bunch of money on the
Chiefs for our year long league. But man, they win games. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
I was as they won that one and they were
down the easily could have lost. Like, man, we played tough,
but they came back and they won it.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
Did you see the ref run into uh Peyton?

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, yeah, hard and hard flag from the ground. I
didn't see Peyton was on the white line.

Speaker 5 (29:16):
You can't do that.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Mount Peyton was not Peyton, Sean Payton. I can see
why you think that clipboard on the white line and
the ref is running through because I think it was
at the interception. Maybe that my home's threw and they're
going the other way, I don't remember, possibly, but the
ref is halloing but and just boom, like it hurt
both of them.

Speaker 5 (29:33):
Yeah, everyone were looking. They weren't looking at each other.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
And so the ref as he's down like squirming.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
You could see him searching for the flag, like on
the ground, like where is that?

Speaker 1 (29:42):
I know if he was twitching because of seizure. A flag.

Speaker 5 (29:45):
I'll tell you though, man, as someone they see it.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
He fell hard.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
It hurt to see. And then he's just on one knee.

Speaker 7 (29:51):
Screw it. Flag.

Speaker 5 (29:54):
That's someone on the chain gang. I'll tell you, man,
you got to keep those those white lines. You gotta
keep them open.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Experience coming through. I watched this video. There are two
teams in the state championship of Texas or in the playoffs,
and the two teams were Sundown was one team. Yeah
do you see the club? Nope? But you know Sundown.
We played Sundown in high school. And there's another school
called Wink and Wink do you know them both? Okay?
And so it was forty to six, one of the

(30:20):
teams were winning, and there was a it was over. So, man,
I wish I had knew the exact details. But so
let's just say Sundown was up forty, Wink had six.
That's the end of it. There's like eight seconds left
in the game. Sundown with forty points is on like
their two yard line, so they have to drive ninety yards.
I but they're up thirty four points. They're not gonna

(30:41):
do that. They're just gonna need to take the game out.
So their coach costs timeout. Up forty to six on
their own two yard line. Their coach costs timeout and
starts walking across the field to the other side, and
the announcers, their high schol announcers, like, well, Jimbo, what
do you think you're doing over there. It's it's typical
high school announcers, but they're even wondering what's going on.
The other coach who just got pounded comes out and

(31:03):
they start talking and I'm ready for this fight. And
instead that coach who was down had the six points
they had like a kid who got in earlier on
a play like all year, like he just wanted to play.
It was like one of those nice things you let
somebody play. He let him play on like a kickoff
or a kickoff or turn or something. He was like, Hey,

(31:25):
we don't mind fumbling the ball in the end zone
if you want him to score a touchdown. Wow, that's cool,
It is cool.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
Okay, I thought it was going a different way.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
No, So the quarterback instead of taking a knee takes
a snap. They put in the kid and that I'm
not sure what his I don't even want to say
disability because I don't know that it was a disability. Yeah,
but they put him in and the quarterback fumbles the
ball and the other kid runs and covers it up,
and the team that only had six points, well now

(31:55):
they have twelve. They were so happy for the kid.
It was awesome.

Speaker 7 (31:59):
That's really cool.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah, and I don't always I've seen so many of those.
I'm not equally as moved as I have. After you
seen one hundred of those, it's still really cool. But
you're like, oh, that's cool, this one was good.

Speaker 5 (32:09):
You know what's interesting is I've always wondered how they
communicate that when they do that. Wow, it's the time out.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Well, that one was specifically. I think the other one's
probably pre game. Yeah, there's a conversation. Yeah, let me
look and see if I saved it.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
I saw one the other day, and this is why
I kind of had that look where everyone was on
the same page except for one player, the.

Speaker 6 (32:31):
Memo one and then as soon as you realize what
he did, he put the hands like on his head.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
What are you doing I was equally as entertained by
that one and some of the some of those that
that story of sundown, and that's the just of the story.
I might have messed up with a couple other details,
but it was really great. It's really great. So I
like that, And here's I'll do another one. We can
clip this and put this as a clip on our
show and put in the real, real clip, but there's

(33:00):
on Instagram. The whole question is Diddy still his touchdown,
so blocks a punt. He's like fighting, fighting, fighting, and
another guy runs up beside him and just falls on it.
So he blocks the punt and he's trying to pick
it up the whole time, and it like rolls in
the end zone. There's nobody else around, but the other
player runs in and just jumps on it.

Speaker 7 (33:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:19):
Yeah, yeah, that's a fault. That's kind of like when
someone steals your joke, Like you tell a funny jok
and then somebody else tells it later and they get
all the credit.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
I'm not mad as the guy, no, because it's instinct.
It's on the ground and you don't know who's surrounding you. Eddie,
watch it again, see if you have the same reaction
here here we go.

Speaker 5 (33:40):
Blocks the punt. He's about to get it. He's got yeah, yeah, yeah, man.
I mean the guy that blocked the punt, he had
it in his hand, that was his block, punt TD block,
and he didn't get it.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Got it, got it, get it, get it. The other
guy's just chasing him though it's a block, and they're
all just chasing the ball.

Speaker 5 (33:56):
But there isn't another like another a person, you know.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
But you don't look around. I know you're not. Like,
let's let's evaluate.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
It's happening so fast.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
It looks to be all clear. So that was kind
of fun. All right, let's get over to Ed McCaffrey, which,
by the way, I want the first thing I want
to talk to Ed about is he's got like a
mustard business. Yeah, how And I want to talk about
that first. And they're not even really he wasn't really
coming to talk about that. But I know you've been

(34:25):
trying to start.

Speaker 5 (34:27):
Hey, I have, man, I've been trying to start a
little little something something. We're in the works of it,
but it'd be cool to hear something.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
But where are you tell everybody what you're trying to start?

Speaker 5 (34:34):
I'm starting starting some seasonings, and so where I'm at
is we have do you know.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
About this briefly?

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Okay, how long ago did you start thinking about it?

Speaker 5 (34:43):
I had a meeting with Kroger over chicken. I wanted
to start my chicken business.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
The meeting from Kroger. Where'd that come from?

Speaker 5 (34:50):
I saw a guy at Kroger who recognized me from
the show. He worked for Kroger, and then on the
show we started talking about chicken, and he's like, dude,
anytime you want to talk about chicken at Kroger, I'm guy. Come,
let's set up a meeting. So we set up a
meeting with a guy at Kroger about my chicken, and
then another guy came in, regional manager was like, man,
we really don't do chickens. It's just not a thing
that we like to get into. He's like, do you

(35:12):
have a season or anything? I'm like, do I have
a seasoning? So I've been trying to work on getting
a seasoning done so I can possibly put it on
Kroger or whatever start that, but it's for It's taken
forever to find a co packer to make the seasoning.
Like I can make the season at home. But to
make a bunch of seasonings and bottle them, I need

(35:33):
to find a co packer, which we have finally found
a copacker.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Did you get the taste strike because you were like
tasting all this stuff from the lab.

Speaker 5 (35:39):
So we would get samples back from co packers and
be like, it's just not the texture. I like, it's
to powdery, send it back. I have to find another
co packer. But I think we found the right co
packer and we're in business, baby.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
But you've said we're in business the whole time, and
there is no business. It's an operation.

Speaker 5 (35:55):
We're slowly getting there. It's a baby steps because.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
I wanted to be and I haven't had a baby yet.
But eventually baby start to walk right, yeah, and they
turn into yeah. Yeah, it's been talk.

Speaker 5 (36:07):
We've been we've been google GoGG in for a while years,
a couple of years. Yeah, but now we're starting to
crawl a little bit.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
But we're oh, slow developing.

Speaker 5 (36:18):
It's a healthy baby, though, healthy baby, and we're happy
with it. Yes, getting there, and we love the baby.
What's either way?

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Of course? Yeah, what's the plan too?

Speaker 5 (36:33):
To produce this season in and sell it?

Speaker 1 (36:37):
But how much of it. How where are you in
the process of one hundred percent as you're ready to
sell it today, even just out of your house right now?

Speaker 5 (36:43):
The process is getting a sample back from the new coopacker,
I'd say we're probably a he doesn't want I'd say
five months. I'd say five months.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
You've got to say a year.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
And then you went to find he doesn't want to.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
He doesn't want to, you know, from a year to find.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
Because I was looking at next year, you know, like
next year.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
You weren't saying.

Speaker 5 (37:07):
You were saying, I say five or six months, we'll
have something.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
But what's something mean?

Speaker 5 (37:13):
Bottles?

Speaker 4 (37:13):
Like can we try it bottles? Yeah, we get how
do you try it by the way? Do you put
it on something or you just try it by itself first.

Speaker 5 (37:20):
He's trying to do a little taste tests with your
with your tongue. Yeah, and then you try it on
food and which foods does it work on?

Speaker 1 (37:25):
What's it called.

Speaker 5 (37:27):
I'm not gonna let that cat out of the bag yet, Brandon,
but I appreciate your inquiry.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
All right, good job, it's pretty good anyway. Ed McCaffrey's
got some oh yeah, yeah. So because of that we're
going to start with this. He played thirteen seasons. I
only remember him as a Bronco no idea.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
He played for the Niners and won a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yep, me either Giants forty nine ers Broncos won a
Super Bowl to the Niners ninety five. Two Broncos Super
Bowls in the nineties after that, fifty five career touchdowns
over seven thousand career receiving yards. Big thanks to Ed
for coming on. He is a dad, the father of
Christian McCaffrey and Luke who's who. Because of all the injuries,
has had to play a lot and it's played pretty well.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
But then he got hurt.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Yeah, he did get hurt. He also, yes, I believe so,
or some would call it cla.

Speaker 5 (38:09):
That's the technical term, doctor bones.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
He played quarterback in college and switched out to wide
receivers last year. Yeah. Oh yeah, like at like Rice.
I'm going from membery oh, you're right, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 5 (38:22):
Yeah, all right, mar kids, m smart kids. Didn't Christian
go to Stanford?

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Isn't there a third that coaches that would be.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
I don't know, sorry, I think of the Mannings, No.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Arch, you think of the hardball Marchie McCaffrey. He is,
They're great. Ed McCaffrey. All right, swift Ed McCaffrey on
somebody that I watched a lot as a kid, was
a big fan of. And I'm sure everybody wants to
talk football, ed, but the first thing that I want
to talk about because my buddy here is also trying
to like do sauces, and I know that you did.
You have your Rocky Mountain Is that what? What's the

(39:02):
brand called?

Speaker 6 (39:03):
Ed?

Speaker 9 (39:03):
Yeah, it's McCaffrey's Rocky Mountain Mustard and horse Radish sauces.
And we're looking to expand in other categories as well.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Okay, so maybe weird, but I want to talk about
that first Eddie over to year.

Speaker 5 (39:14):
I think that's awesome. I'm also trying to do spices.
But how do you break into this world of not
really food, right, because it's like sauces and spice, it's different.
How did all this start for you?

Speaker 9 (39:25):
Yeah, well, you know, it probably started with my love
of flavor.

Speaker 7 (39:30):
Like when I was a kid.

Speaker 9 (39:31):
I was eight years old and I played Pop Worner
football and I was really tall. I wasn't like overweight
in terms of being a fat little kid, but I
was tall, so I had to make weight for my
pop Worner football team. So I was like on a
hot dog and cabbage diet. It was like an original
Atkins diet when I was like eight and nine. So
I always had this thing with eating, you know, hot

(39:53):
dogs and cabbage and trying to make them taste better
than they did. And so you know, I was introduced
to spicy brown mustard and early age. And then eventually
I moved to Pennsylvania, and if you know anything about Pennsylvania,
there's a lot of mustard made there, very German and
Pennsylvania Dutch influence. So again, you know, I was trying
to eat healthy in a high school athlete, hoping to
play college ball one day. And so I was eating

(40:14):
pretty healthy and eat a lot of really bland foods, right,
like non fat turkey burger and chicken sandwiches, And they
can get pretty dry and bland if you don't add
some flavor to them. So you know, I grew up
loving food, loving flavors, trying to make healthy food taste better,
trying to make good food taste better. But the way
I get introduced to the business was really by luck.

(40:36):
I had my business partner Ti, who approached me in
the nineties when we were winning Super Bowls with the
Broncos and wanted me to do a cereal. You've probably
seen all the cereals, right. I had eds En Zonoes.
I thought it was pretty cool. It was pretty cool
box that lasted for a couple of years. So we
did cereal, We did Eddie mac and cheese, we did
a couple other products.

Speaker 7 (40:56):
But you know, at the time I'm playing, right, I'm like,
football is my day job, and we were doing this
for fun and to raise some money for charity.

Speaker 9 (41:02):
But I did it, and at some point he asked me, like,
you know, what food do you eat every day? What's
your favorite food? And at this point, I'm thinking, look,
I don't know, man. I had fun with the cereal
and some but you know what, I eat mustard every day.
And I kind of thought he would leave it at
that and it wouldn't wouldn't go any further.

Speaker 7 (41:18):
But he was interested in pursuing that avenue.

Speaker 9 (41:22):
So we approached a bunch of different manufacturers and we finally.

Speaker 7 (41:28):
Found one that did a phenomenal job.

Speaker 9 (41:30):
I tasted like one hundred different you know ingredient combinations
until I came up with a spicy brown mustard that
I like the best that I put on all my sandwiches.
I went on my off day, we barbecued and put
it on my hot dogs, hamburgers, and brats. You know,
I dip pretzels in it for a snack. And the
reason I like mustard so much is one, it's very flavorful,

(41:50):
and also it's zero calories, very healthy a condiment if
you're going to put a condiment on your foods, so
I preferred mustard and and so you know, we threw
a label on it and started selling it, and it's
been selling since nineteen ninety eight. And I really didn't
try to expand the business up until a year ago.

(42:12):
And the reason was, you know, I was coaching, I
was broadcasting for the Broncos, doing all these different things.
But the reason it's still around us because it tastes
so damn good. It's really really good. I'll put our
spicy brown mustard up against any mustard on the planet.
But over the years, we've had a great partnership with Kroger,
with Safeway and with some other retailers, and they've asked

(42:36):
us to come up with other flavor profiles. So I've
worked with our manufacturers to create a Sarascha mustard, a
Chipotle mustard in addition to our regular Horse Radish sauce,
which is out of this world. It's a squeeze bottle
twelve ound squeze bottle Horse Radish sauce that I think
is phenomenal. Not a lot of competition in that category.
We're coming up with a smoky Horse Radish sauce. And

(42:59):
in the past we've had beer mustard, which we're gonna
launch again in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 7 (43:03):
We've had honey mustard and de Jon.

Speaker 9 (43:04):
We've had a lot of different variations over the years,
but mustard is just it's one of my favorite things
to put on all my different types of foods that
I eat, especially healthy foods.

Speaker 7 (43:14):
So we're in the business of making good food taste better.
That's the goal.

Speaker 9 (43:18):
So every condiment and every sauce that we create, it
has one purpose to make good food taste better. If
we can make food taste better, we're happy.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
I'm big mustard guy. Love number one condiment like Mount
Rushmore Condiment's mustard. I have friends that are big wine
guys and they can their palate has developed to the
point where they can tell the difference in wine. So
I wonder with your palate, can you tell the difference
in mustards and like how long a mustard is, where
it's from what's been added to it?

Speaker 9 (43:45):
Pretty easily, Yeah, I mean there's a distinct difference between well,
there's a distinct difference between the taste of spicy brown mustard,
which uses brown mustard seeds, and yellow mustard, which uses
yellow mustard seeds. And then you know the different peppers
that we use. Cayenne pepper is different than a saracha pepper,
which is different than a chipotle pepper. Chipotle is like

(44:06):
a sweeter flavor. It's very very distinct. You'd be able
to tell the difference.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
That's crazy. Did I definitely didn't expect the first part
of this interview to be all about mustard, But I'm
such a mustard fan and Eddie's like trying to you know,
saw And so I appreciate you talking us through that.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Ed.

Speaker 7 (44:22):
Yeah, no, I appreciate it, And thanks for mentioning on
the show.

Speaker 9 (44:25):
We were very proud of it. A year ago we
hired a couple more people. We have a pr marketing
firm probably set this interview up right, and then we
have a website. You can buy our product on Amazon
now and on the website mccaffree brands dot com, or
go to Kroger. We're expanding nationally starting in twenty twenty six.
So it's really become an obsession of mine and I'm

(44:46):
looking forward to you know, I like the creative part
about it, which just means I really like eating food
and sampling all the different flavor profiles that are presented
to me. And we're looking forward to coming out with
different different products as well, Hot Sauces catch Up, which
I know some of you on the show like not everybody,
and some other really creative flavors that we think will
enhance everybody's tailgate experience.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Okay, let's go to a little bit of football, and
mostly I want to ask about the psychology of after
an injury because I remember back in two thousand and
one there was a leg fracture. I want to show
you my foot now because we got I'm in a boot.
I just graduated to a boot. I don't know if
you can see that.

Speaker 7 (45:22):
Would you do well?

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Much like yourself when you were playing football? I was
doing a little something called playing pickleball, and I had
to have ankle surgery, so very similar, very similar injuries.
And so the psychology of after an injury when you
have a leg fracture, which is way less ideal than
an ankle surgery, which mine was pretty clean, like how
long until not until it heals, but till you actually
have the trust and faith that you can push on

(45:45):
it again.

Speaker 7 (45:45):
Oh man, you know, I was in a boot just
like you.

Speaker 9 (45:48):
I had a you know, a compound tip fib fracture,
and so they had to put a titanium rod in there.
Took that home depot or Low's you know drill, and
just drilled the top and bottom the rods like the
length of your shinbone. So I had a, you know,
pretty major surgery performed on it. I was in a
boot like you were for a couple months, and then
you go through that slow rehab. But I played in

(46:09):
a game. We played the Buffalo Bills week one the
following season. I had gotten hurt on actually nine to ten,
first game of the season in our new stadium at
the time, in power Field at Mile High, and in
less than a year, played in the opener the following year.
But I tell you, I rehab morning, noon, and night
every day for an entire year just to be able
to get back on the field.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
So you did take it very seriously. And I had
a professional athlete friend of mine that was giving me
a little drills to do all the time, like he's like, hey,
it don't get stiff if you don't constantly work it.
So you took your rehab very seriously to bounce.

Speaker 7 (46:44):
Back very seriously. Yeah, my goal was to play Opening
Day and I achieved that.

Speaker 9 (46:48):
It was one of the most emotional games in my life.
For most people, it was hey, just week one regular
season game. But for me, you know, I went from
thinking I'd never play football again as I was getting
carted off the field, that I might not have feeling
in my toes, which I didn't have at the time.
I was just hoping to have feeling in my toes back.
And then once I had the surgery and they said

(47:09):
there's a chance you could still play long as you
heal properly, then then my goal was to play Week
one and so that was a major major goal for me.
It was emotional, I'm not going to be able to
actually still play football. After that break less than a
year later. Was it was it was moving, you know,
but it wasn't. It wasn't just luck. I mean I

(47:29):
literally had to rehab three times a day for a year,
and it took a lot of time and effort, and
there was no guarantee that I'd be able to come back.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Yeah, we're a lot of like it's I feel about
pick aball tournaments. I don't know if I'll ever get
back there, but it's very similar whenever, real quick, I'm.

Speaker 9 (47:45):
A friend with a lot of Unfortunately for me and
having four kids that played football and having played in
the NFL for thirteen years, I'm friends with a lot
of orthopedic surgeons and they tell me the pickupball is
the best thing that has happened to their business in
a long long time.

Speaker 7 (48:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
When I went in because I had the surgery a
week and a half ago, when I went in for
my first physical therapy, the guy was like, oh, yeah,
this is what most people come in for now. It's
because of pickleball. Because it's like I'm in my forties
and I was an okay athlete, but like I still
find fulfillment and competing, So that's what I compete in now,
but it is not good for the joints anyway. Not
to make it about me. I just thought we were
very similar our injury. But does that help like when

(48:23):
like when Christian had his injury and now you know,
pretty bad injury you having gone through that, is it
nice to be able to lean on that experience to
kind of talk him through it as well?

Speaker 7 (48:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (48:32):
Real quick, when you mentioned pickles, you know what I
think of I think of pickles because in nineteen ninety
eight I had a choice. I could have endorsed pickles
as well, but Adam Denmark, Adam dead Marsh for the Avalanche,
ended up doing it instead. He went with dead Marsh Dill.
I went with most. He went with dead Marsh Dills
when that was the first thing I thought. But yeah,
look back to the serious question. Look, I'm a dad.

(48:55):
I'm a dad first. You know, I've coached all my
kids as they've grown up, throughout their lives, and I
think I have a unique experience that I can lend
to them when they are interested in asking me questions.

Speaker 7 (49:04):
Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't.

Speaker 9 (49:06):
And I share with them, you know what I think
will be valuable if they ask and you know, unfortunately,
I've gone through that experience. So I try to be
just a dad, let them know I love them and
care about them, and then walk them through the process.
But they're you know, they're all grown up now. They
kind of get it. You know, they've battled through adversity
each each one of them in their own way, and

(49:27):
they've all had injuries at some point throughout their lives,
so they kind of get the drill. There's no sugar
coating an injury. You know, at least I can speak
for my kids. They absolutely love football and they've committed
their lives to it, and so to miss games is
really really frustrating. It's, you know, you think it'd be
the pain of the injury, it's that's the least of it.

(49:47):
It's not being able to take the field with your teammates,
not being able to go to battle, and having to
watch everybody else have all the fun. That that's what's
so torturous. And then just knowing there's not a quick fix.
It's going to be a long, lengthy process till you
get back. So what you do is you start setting
little daily goals. Right, what's the next thing I have

(50:08):
to do and you just slowly accomplish one little goal.

Speaker 7 (50:11):
At a time until you're back on the field.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
I was looking at some stats back in two thousand.
Both you and Rodd Smith at one hundred catches. Both
of you guys at a time whenever they didn't throw
the ball as much, but you both had one hundred catches.
What was that huddle like? Was it constantly? Was it,
We're an offense that just throws the ball.

Speaker 7 (50:27):
Well, Bobby, I had one hundred and one catches.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Okay, enough, fair enough.

Speaker 9 (50:33):
Yeah, I had one hundred and one. I was taken
out after the third quarter, so we could have had
one hundred and seven or eight if they fed us,
but we didn't do back that. Back then, we had
a phenomenal football team. We had a pretty good run game.
We had a good quarterback. We had a got named
John Elway. We had a running back now named Terrell Davis.
We had a tight end named Shannon Sharp, we had

(50:53):
Rod Smith and I. We had won a couple of
Super Bowls, right, So that year we were throwing the
ball around a little bit more. But we was on
the back of many, many successful seasons, and you know
that particular year, I think Rod and I might have
sat out four or five games in the fourth quarter.
I mean, we each had one hundred catches, which was

(51:13):
really cool. We were one of the few duos to
have done that at the time in a long long time.
And we didn't even throw the ball that much. We
had a very balanced offense and great run game, but
it was one of those We were on one of
those teams where the team came first, right, so we
didn't really we didn't really feed anyone receiver and it
just happened to be that way.

Speaker 7 (51:34):
And Rod and I.

Speaker 9 (51:35):
Rod was one of the greatest teammates I ever played with,
and you know, we climbed the ranks together. We were
both backups at one point that we're only getting in
on run plays, and we used to take a lot
of pride in decleating defenders, and so we would tally
up how many guys we actually got on the ground
throughout the game. And one of the biggest compliments for
us was if coach Shanahan stopped the film that we

(51:55):
were watching in front of the team and pointing us
out like on the back side of a run play decleating.
We had a little five dollars bets to see who
could have the most decleaders in a game.

Speaker 7 (52:04):
So we kind of.

Speaker 9 (52:04):
Climbed up the ranks, me having come from San Francisco
and serving as a backup, and Rod climbing up through
the ranks as a guy that was on the practice squad.
And so to be able to play that many years,
you know, my whole Denver career with Rod, and being
able to start at the bottom and climb up to
the top where we were starters on Super Bowl teams
was a.

Speaker 7 (52:23):
Really cool experience.

Speaker 9 (52:24):
And we were you know, I was excited for him
when he scored, he was excited for me, And that
was really a unique experience having someone in your receiver
room that at one point, you know, one point, you're
competing for your job with him. Right to have him
be such an incredible friend and great teammate was was
a real blessing for me.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
I've got three questions left here for you, and I'll
start with this one. You mentioned coach Shanahan. What kind
of coach was he? When coaches are defined as a player,
coach as a disciplinarian, how would you define coach Shanahan.

Speaker 9 (52:54):
He's a Hall of Fame head football coach and he
should be in really soon. I know there's like new
rules regarding how many coaches are allowed in per year,
and they seem like they changed the weight every time,
and think they changed it recently, so other coaches can
getting quicker than waiting the five years.

Speaker 7 (53:11):
But he is. He was a true professional.

Speaker 9 (53:14):
And when you think of Hall of Fame football coach,
you know, I think of Mike Shanahan. I got to
play for him for ten years. We won a Super
Bowl with the San Francisco forty nine ers in nineteen
ninety four. Then I joined him in Denver. Thank goodness,
he brought me with him, and we won another too
in Denver. He paid attention to detail, you know, he

(53:36):
had an incredible system in place, and he was paid
a lot of attention to the little things, which really
are big things. And he really believed in team first,
and everyone on our team absolutely believed in him. And
you know that's why I think a lot of players
signed with us as free agents from other teams.

Speaker 7 (53:56):
They saw what he was building.

Speaker 9 (53:58):
And in between Mike Shanahan and and a quarterback like
John Elway, there were a lot of players that wanted
to be part of what we were doing. But it
started started with Pat Bollan who hired Mike, and then
Mike who really was a pioneer. And I don't know
if he gets enough credit for it, but when you
look at his coaching tree, it's not just just his
son Kyle, who my son is now playing for right.

(54:19):
It's uh, you know, coach McVay with the Rams, It's
coach Lafleur with Green Bay. It's coach McDaniel in Miami.
And there's another five or six or seven or eight
coaches that were in his coaching tree that have had
incredible success. And it's it's not just the x'es and
o's that he taught them, which obviously helped them become
great coordinators but and eventually had coaches, But it's the

(54:42):
systems that he put in place.

Speaker 7 (54:43):
How to.

Speaker 9 (54:46):
You know, script a practice, how to organize an off season,
how to bring in the right people around you to
complement your skill sets. It's all these things that he
did that led to his success and a lot of many,
many many successful coaches have kind of copied, if you will,
and then made their own his systems.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Two questions left. I do a podcast with a former
Patriot who you know, Patriots won a bunch of Super Bowls.
And we talk about after the Super Bowl the parties.
What was a super Bowl party, like the official party,
Like after you guys won those Super Bowls with the Broncos,
were they as big as they are now?

Speaker 9 (55:24):
No, they were not as big as they are now.
And I don't even remember our parties. I remember, you know,
you're it's a night game, so you're done really really late.

Speaker 7 (55:33):
And then I'll tell you what. I don't even remember
a party.

Speaker 9 (55:36):
I know we've had to have a pact and waiting
outside our hotel room at like five am. So by
the time you get back, it's midnight and you have
like a few hours until you're playing leaves for the parade.
Now now they do it differently. They have huge parties
some days. Sometimes they wait another whole day before they
have their parade. But back then, I believe we had

(55:58):
our parade the next day, so we had to get
home pretty quickly.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
All right. Final question, like, for real, what's happening underneath
the Denver Airport? Like what do you know is there
some kind of secret some secret stuff happening underneath there?

Speaker 9 (56:09):
Right, there's absolutely some secret stuff happening. Yeah, International Airport.

Speaker 7 (56:14):
I'm not at liberty to discussion. Here's stuff going on.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
It is creepy. Okay. You know he's not saying much
because he knows much. That's why you guys can go McCaffrey,
Rocky Mountain dot com, or like you said, you can
go over to Amazon as well. Hey, Ed, was a
big fan of you as a player. Love that you
spend some time with us. Thank you so much, and
I hope the rest of your day.

Speaker 7 (56:36):
Goes awesome anytime. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1 (58:01):
Okay, before we go, we got a few minutes here.
We need a review of Beauty and the Beast to play.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
Yeah, boys, Now, honestly, I mean the play itself was legit,
like the production side of things. Maybe it's working in
the industry of doing all that, and there was a
lot that went into it, the Pyros everything, there's the Beast.
Oh yeah, dude, it's yours. Yeah, It's like, well, it's

(58:29):
not necessarily like technically Pyro I guess, but you know,
it's a lot.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Of flashing.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
No, no, there's no fire or anything, but it's a
lot of like flashing lights and different colors and throwing
stuff in your face. And it was super legit. The
acting was great, the singing was great, the people in
the crowd were was definitely. That was a show in
itself too, because there was quite the mix from obviously
the young kids that are all dressed up to the

(58:55):
grown adults that are all dressed up as well that
are super into it.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
But the play itself was.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
Really really good.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Rate it? How many beasts?

Speaker 4 (59:04):
What are we doing?

Speaker 7 (59:04):
That? Of five?

Speaker 4 (59:06):
Okay, I'll give it a four point two.

Speaker 5 (59:09):
Four point two beasts out of five?

Speaker 7 (59:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Yeah. How much your tickets to that thing?

Speaker 4 (59:14):
We paid seventy five apiece.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
We're up top. Have you guys seen Wicked, the the movie?
Have you seen in theater?

Speaker 5 (59:23):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (59:23):
The new one?

Speaker 1 (59:24):
I'm sorry? Have you seen the theater version of the play? No?

Speaker 4 (59:27):
I have not.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
I've not seen a lot of musicals. I don't know
what a lot even means, but I've never been to
one and thought, well that sucked. They're all, yes, they're great, awesome,
but it wasn't your wife? Is that what she did? Yeah?
She was on Broadway in New York for seven years?
Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 7 (59:45):
What?

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Wow?

Speaker 7 (59:46):
Man?

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Like the seven that's major leagues? Yeah, like yeah, we
think we're like a little funny podcast ESPN look at us.
Well me, no, you guys, Yeah, Cass, I'm kidding. But
like she was, like, that's like major league for that
many years. Huh.

Speaker 6 (01:00:04):
Yeah, And she just you know, her experience from you know,
auditioning all the time. And what's what's her name that
played that was in Wicked, the.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Original Christian Genowy, the other one Frozer, guess.

Speaker 5 (01:00:25):
One got there got Therenuel Miranda.

Speaker 6 (01:00:30):
Cat from Cats. I think she was in uh, the Phantom.
She was in a play who with a Diana Monzel
who was your wife? My wife was Aida? And then
she was in uh another play with the guy who

(01:00:50):
played the original Phantom, and it was it was known
as the biggest flop on Broadway. It was called Dance
of the Vampires and there was so much money going
into this and so much hype and it just flopped,
you know. But she was in some other.

Speaker 5 (01:01:08):
It's a terrible wasn't her.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
You could have stopped. You could have stopped with it.
She was with Idina Mizel. We didn't need all that.

Speaker 10 (01:01:17):
She was point in her life. Then she suffered through
a lot of depression. She had to have her leg amputated.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
I's wrong with you. It was just all cool. We
were all blown away. I want I like your wife
and to be in the major league. She's done something
higher in any level than when any of us ever happened.
And then right, it's like, yeah, let me take that,
let me take her back down, man. And you know what,
they blamed her for.

Speaker 5 (01:01:45):
That, and I don't blame them.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
And I saw it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Good point? Oh my god.

Speaker 5 (01:01:53):
Kevin was uh have you seen the movie Beating the Beast?

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
I mean when I was a kid, was it kind
of the same dude? To be honest, I don't remember
the storyline at all. I don't know if you guys
do well you Yeah, yeah, I don't remember at all.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
So creepy Beast hold your hostage.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
Yes, yes, but there's her bells like Dad's involved, and
there's a mask Maston, Maston.

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
Masta don.

Speaker 7 (01:02:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
He was really good in the play, but I don't
remember him in the original at all. But he was
really really good. I mean, the acting in the singing
was phenomenal, but.

Speaker 5 (01:02:24):
You guys know, the beast isn't a real like a
beast right as a dude.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
In the end? Yeah spoiler right, hey, no, that was
the best part.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
So the spoiler alert here At the end, they like,
you know, they lift him up in the air and
they like flash all his lights so you can't see
anything as they're transforming him. And then the people sitting
next to us and the guy was like on the
edge of the seat. I mean, I'm talking like a
thirty year old guy sitting there. And then they flashed
and he's like a human again, and the guy's like,
oh my god. They were just like, did you not

(01:02:54):
know that what's coming?

Speaker 7 (01:02:55):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (01:02:56):
Maybe he didn't know the end.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
That's funny. I always like people like that that are
so moved by it, and they're not doing it on purpose,
they're just so moved. That's fine. The last time that
I did that was six cents. But let me tell
you this, I remember being in a theater being like
what as soon as I found out.

Speaker 5 (01:03:15):
Outwardly, yeah, it's a big deal.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
What one more time? What?

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
A reaction, crazy crazy, but yeah you should see it, you.

Speaker 7 (01:03:28):
Guys, Now I see it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
I thought the field was cool in Madrid. How they
keep it its own greenhouse underneath the ground. Oh yeah,
that was really cool.

Speaker 5 (01:03:42):
They take soccer pretty serious over there. Yeah, very serious.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
It's really neat. What's your theory on oh on the jersey?

Speaker 5 (01:03:49):
Yeah, man, I just feel like when I watch these
European soccer, these European football games, like the fans are
oddly all wearing different, random jerseys, but it's almost like
they don't even know what's going on. Like they see
a fumble and they're like, oh, what does that mean?
What does that mean? So I feel this is my theory.
I feel like the NFL is like, we're gonna have

(01:04:10):
a game in Madrid. We're gonna get a bunch of jerseys,
all different kinds of jerseys from every different team, every
different player, and then we're gonna give tickets away, and
whoever shows up, we're gonna give them free jerseys.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
I don't think that that's a bad theory. I think
they probably do that some man. I think they were
worried about Madrid more than any other game, because they
that is not a typical even European football hold like London, Germany,
but Madrid and I don't think the crowd was exactly
what they had hoped, but I think they knew that
was risky going into it. I just don't like them more.

(01:04:42):
I wish they would play them just a little later. Yeah,
put them on at the same time the other games
are on.

Speaker 5 (01:04:47):
What time would it be over there?

Speaker 7 (01:04:48):
Though?

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Who gives a crap. It's America.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
We care what everything our time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Yeah, exactly, like waking.

Speaker 5 (01:04:54):
Up for Earli and seeing football.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
I'm up early anyway, and it's like, oh sweet, football
is on. I just don't like that much football. I'm
going to say it. I don't like going from that
early until nine o'clock at night.

Speaker 5 (01:05:06):
I'll tell you who doesn't like it. My wife.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
My stamina is not there well, especially after a full
day on Saturday.

Speaker 5 (01:05:11):
Correct, great, poul a lot of football because like I'm
watching football till one am. I watched that like West
Coast game. You can catch up on your debts because
I'm catching up on gambling debts. And then my wife
wakes up and I'm watching football again. She's like, this
is too much.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
That's like three plays for you in a day. It's
just too much, you know, at the opera and then
you went to them is a roup? Oh not be good?

Speaker 5 (01:05:38):
Lim is a up cats.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
Okay, we're done.

Speaker 6 (01:05:47):
Max McCaffrey is an offensive assistant for the Miami Dolphins.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
The Dolphins. That's legit.

Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
Thanks man, Thank you, Brandon.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
We'll see you guys. If you don't mind, and you're
listening to us and you like us, please share us
on your Instagram story tag us. That'd be awesome. Our
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Speaker 6 (01:06:09):
Branda, Yes, yes, let me go there. Yeah, it's it
used to be Bobby Bone Sports. Now it's uh it
is uh twenty five Whistle Sports.

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
That's what Bobby just said.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
Because that's it's not about me. I just want to
make that thing. If that's much about me, it's about us.
Do you do you have to like start over with
followers now, okay, you can just change it, but they
remove your blue check mark for a second in case
you're being hacked. Okay, but twenty five Whistle Sports. And
then if you're listening on Spotify, put a comment down
in that comment section and best comment wins will bring
one up and give him something next week. Whatever moment

(01:06:48):
you thought on the show was funniest that works. Maybe
it's maybe it's Brandon having to drag his wife for
no reason whatsoever. I don't know what you guys list
is your wife listen? Heck no, Hey, she didn't miss
an episode? Any of our wives listen heck no. All right,
we'll see you guys later on this week. Bye Buddy

(01:07:10):
nor boet theme song written by Bobby Bones That's Me
and performed by Brandon Ray. Follow Brandon on Socials at
Brandon Ray Music.

Speaker 11 (01:07:24):
You can follow the show on Instagram at Bobby Bones Sports.
Thanks to our crew co host at Producer Ready, Segment
producer at Kickoff Kevin, and executive producer at Mike Gestro.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
But most importantly, thank you for listening. Bobby Bones.

Speaker 11 (01:07:38):
We'll talk to you next time here on twenty five
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