August 28, 2024 • 36 mins
ESPN's legendary TV personality, Stephen A. Smith, sat down with Bobby and Eddie to talk about his venture into podcasts, why the Cowboys will suck, and more! Plus, former NFL players, Ryan Clark and Channing Crowder talk about their favorite karaoke song, CJ Stroud being the real deal, some of the craziest things ever said on the football field, and what the Dolphins need to do to take the next step.
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Speaker 3 (01:29):
It's a podcast, Come twenty five West Stocking fun Fill
and they are whizz so yet too bad, But what
did you expect?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
It's a podcast, Come twenty five.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Wis sol twenty line wheel.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Appreciate you guys being here. Got a big show and
we're gonna start.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Off with I mean quite possibly are how We've had
a few big guests, but a tier guests. Steven Asmith
is a tier for sure, for sure. So that's what
we're gonna start with here in New York. We're at
Fanatics Fest, and we spent some time with Steven A.
Smith and he hates the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
He does.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
He's very open about that.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
He's ESPN's biggest personality by far at this point, probably
highest paid, but he hates the Cowboys so much. And
Eddie still had him after the interview signed his Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Had on purpose. It is pretty funny. Okay, let's get
the show started here with Steven A. Smith.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Here with Steven A.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Smith, which I have to say, listening to your podcast now,
do you feel freer to be able.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
To talk about other things?
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Because obviously I love hearing your takes on sports, but
to hear you talk politics and pop culture, like, is
that refreshing for you to be able to spread out now?
Speaker 7 (02:35):
Well, for me is what I wanted to do. It's
what I've always wanted to do. I certainly understand that
that's not necessarily the right place to do those kind
of things for ESPN. It's a sports network. And I
remember specifically before twenty twenty round twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,
when so many things were going on and Jimmy Pittaro
(02:55):
came in as president of ESPN. You know, his whole
thing to get us as a network back and focused
on giving the sports fans what they come to ESPN
the C and if we're being you know, as somebody
that's considered the face of the network, it's my obligation
to highlight when the boss is right. We did do that.
(03:19):
We got away to some degree from giving the audience
what they came to ESPN the C. So I was
in complete support of him in terms of redirecting our
focus back to making sure that when folks come to
a sports network buy and large, that's exactly what the
hell you're giving them. But in the same breath, I
(03:40):
think that when you walk away from that to those
particular channels and you're out here living your own life,
you're paying taxes, you're dealing with crime, you're dealing with
so many different things that are going on in the
real world. I wouldn't call it an obligation, but it
is a good thing to do to show that your
social conscious, you're paying attention to what's going on and
(04:03):
you're not one dimensional in terms of what you think
about and what you feel. And so I like the
idea of having a platform like my podcast Slash Show,
where over iHeartRadio over YouTube. I'm really showing the world
what's on my mind on a day to day basis
that in some cases extend beyond the parameters and sports.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Is it different going viral to a new crowd when
you have an opinion that's not sports, Because I'm sure
you say something sports, it goes viral. It's the same
people yelling at you. But I see you go viral
for all kinds it takes.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Now, it's crazy.
Speaker 7 (04:37):
You know, it's a lot of fun when I'm doing
pop culture and entertainment. For the most part, it wasn't
fun when I had to talk about p Diddy. It
wasn't fun when I had to talk about Will Smith.
It wasn't fun when I had to talk about Jada Pinkett.
But it was the news, and I thought that it
was important to touch on those things to provide a perspective,
because I'm not out here trying to insult or character
assassinate anybody. But it's important that when some body does
(05:00):
something wrong, including myself, that we're willing to highlight and
point out what you did wrong.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
There.
Speaker 7 (05:06):
I think that a lot of times in our society
what makes us very very cruel, And I would say
irresponsible is when we use any little thing as a
means to character assassinate somebody. You make a mistake, and
that's who you are. You make a mistake, that's who
you are. Know it isn't it's what you did in
this particular instance. So what you made that mistake, somebody
(05:28):
points it out. Tomorrow, do you do something good, and
we'll point that out. And that's what I try to
do because as a journalist, as a personality, as somebody
that's been in media for the last thirty years, I
know the responsibility that I have and one of the
biggest responsibilities that I have is to be fair and
to make sure that what you do and your worst
possible moment doesn't define who you are. And a lot
(05:51):
of times you have people, particularly in the world of politics, well,
if you're black and you're talking about somebody that's a Republican,
well they must be a racist. No they're not. That's wrong.
Don't do that. You know you disagree with them when
this issue attack that issue.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Well, now, if there's a there's no nuance you're there's
a body of.
Speaker 7 (06:08):
Work that is indicative of what you are, then that's different.
But on a case by case basis, and the same
thing with you know on the liberal side. You know
when conservatives say certain things, I'm not about that. It's
about Okay, today, this is what the story is. Tomorrow
it might be something else. Next week it might be
something else. Let's go on a case by case basis
because we can all. I think we all find out
(06:29):
we got common ground and we'll get far more of
us would get along than people realize. I truly believe that.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Three final things Olympics. First, the twenty twenty four basketball team.
Do you feel like they did what they went out
to do? Serbia game is obviously pretty close? Did you
expect there to be close games? And then secondly, what's
who's the twenty twenty eighteen.
Speaker 7 (06:50):
I expected the games to be relatively close. I didn't
expect it to be the nail biden that it was
against Serbia. I didn't expect them to struggle against France
to way that they did. And then Steph Curry exploded
in both games. I expected Steph Curry to look better
rian to the semifinals in a gold medal game, but
that didn't happen. I expected Jason Tatum to play more
(07:11):
that didn't happen. There were a couple of things that
you could look at, but overall bottom line is USA
went to France to win a gold medal, and they
brought home the gold medal. So they did their thing.
As it retains to twenty twenty eight. You won't see
Lebron there. You probably won't see KD there, you won't
see Steph there. But I do think you'll see Anthony Edwards.
(07:32):
I do think you'll see Tatum. I think yeah, because
I don't think Steve curR be coaching in twenty twenty eight.
I don't think he'd be coaching the team. I don't
think Jason Tatum is going to if Steve Curr's coaching,
and I wouldn't blame him after that experience to be
quite interested, because I don't listen. Steve Kerr is one
of the great great coaches this game has ever seen.
But there's no excuse in hell that you can walk
(07:53):
up to Jason Tatum before a game and say, I
might I might not have time to play you today.
He is one of the greatest players in the world
and a reigning defending NBA champion who's been a first
team All NBA player. The last three years. And by
the way, two guys and Drew Holliday and Derek White
who deferred to him for eighty two games during the
regular season. In the postseason, you finding Tom for them,
(08:14):
but not him. Jason Tatum could play four different positions
on the basketball court. How do you excuse not finding
Tom for him? And that's why he looks so bad
when you did put him in because he never knew
when he was gonna play, and he couldn't catch any
rhythm or anything like that. So I look at it
from that standpoint, but it is what it is. At
the end of the day, they came home with the
golden That's what matters most.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Last question is Steven A.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Smith.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
You talk about getting along and all of us getting along.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I want to talk about my Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 7 (08:42):
I want truth.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I want the truth, Stephen A.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Smith.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
I want the real, honest opinion of my Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
This season.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
They're gonna suck this year.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
I don't think they're gonna I think they're gonna have
a tough time making the playoffs. And I think even
if they do make the playoffs, they gonna go home
ear like they always do. You got Mike McCarthy there.
I think this will probably be his last year coaching.
It would is surprised I think that Dak Prescott is
gonna get resigned. I don't think he deserves sixty million.
I don't think when you've been a quarterback for eight
years and you got two playoff victories to show for it,
(09:14):
that you deserve sixty million dollars. I just don't believe that.
I'm talking about sixty million per year. I don't believe that.
But Jerry Jones will probably end up having to pay
him anyway. And I think that in a hard cap
league that is the National Football League, I think one
of the changes that needs to take place is that
we need to find see NFL teams become more sticklers
(09:36):
for giving quarterbacks this kind of money because the money
that you give them court you and prevents you from
giving others money. And there's other people that deserve some
of that cash. You know, listen to quarterback is the
most important position. But the caveat that we've got to
add to it is that if you produce, if you
don't listen, there's a lot of quarterbacks that can get
(09:56):
half of Dak Prescott's dollars and still win two playoff
games in eight years. And so I look at it
from that standpoint, and I'm about production. You got to
be able to produce and get it done. And if
you don't get it done, I'm not saying you deserve
to be broke. I'm not saying that you don't deserve
to be in the league. I'm not saying you don't
deserve to be paid. But we don't need to be
spending that an ordinate amount of money on quarterbacks that
(10:18):
don't know how to win in January. We don't need
to be doing that.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
It's like it's like the paulpe they're cheering out there
all right here.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
That Steven A. Smith Show on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Also the by the way, Congress New York has bestseller Thanks,
It's a A plus, A memoir, Straight Shooter, I memboir
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Speaker 3 (10:36):
Steven A. Smith, Everybody, all right?
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Speaker 8 (11:53):
Here is Super Bowl forty three champion Ryan Clark from
when we were at Fanatics Fest as well. Ryan played
thirteen seasons in the NFL as a safety, was known
for his hard hitting style of play that probably wouldn't
last nowadays. He's one of the biggest faces of ESPN
now when it comes to NFL analysis and big thanks
to Ryan.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Coming on.
Speaker 8 (12:11):
Here is Ryan Clark too, too.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Too, Ryan yours?
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Can I sing?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (12:18):
You want me to say?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
The question is can you like? Will you?
Speaker 5 (12:21):
But I absolutely cannot?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
But I will, Okay, Ryan?
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I did have a question about that though.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
What's the one song you know every word too?
Speaker 9 (12:31):
I know every word to a lot of songs, but
my go to karaoke is the Cheers theme song?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Wa who karaoke? Who even has that in the machine?
Speaker 5 (12:42):
I don't think I don't. I actually don't think people do.
I just know about heart.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
You just go singing a cappella listen.
Speaker 9 (12:49):
I can't saying no way, So it don't matter if
they got their music or not, but it does it makes.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
People feel welcome.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, it was just that's like you know, you say
karaoke song, I get up and sing Yankee Doodle and
you're like, that's in karaoke, like anybody knows it, but
you know.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
But right, so what's the key to karaoke?
Speaker 9 (13:08):
Have a singing but singing a song that at some
point everyone can join in or people of our era,
the young kids obviously they don't, but anybody our age.
Once you get to where everybody knows, everybody knows that
part and they sing with you, and now you don't
sound as terrible as.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
You did, bef when they sing with you. You don't
sound as terrible when.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
They sing with you when you're singing by yourself.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
You still okay, let me ask you about people thinking
you are suck or are awesome? Okay, Now that you
are having opinions publicly a lot of the time of media, right,
you have a lot to say. That's different because if
people don't agree, but you can go viral for many
reasons now but based on your opinions, Yeah, different than
when you played, especially how because when you played well,
(13:51):
social media wasn't as in your face. Yeah, but now
if you say something that you have a hot take
that people will let you know, how is that Ben
Haws that adjustment been to everybody having a voice.
Speaker 9 (14:02):
You know what, I think everybody having a voice is cool.
I mean, I think that's what our country wants and
wants to give people the ability to have. And also
it's also something I think if people are entitled to
based on our freedoms and rights. Now, as far as
the criticism, the criticism is something you allow. If I
(14:25):
don't want people to hear me, I could just shut
the hell up or block them.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
But it's not even that right because here's the thing.
Speaker 9 (14:32):
Because of my jobs, I'm gonna talk, right, I'm gonna
answer questions, like my job is to get my opinion.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
It's a lot of times I'm not the one.
Speaker 9 (14:40):
Putting it out there on social media, or I don't
expect it to be on social media, and somebody that
doesn't like it or that likes it clips it like
it is what it is. The biggest part is being
authentic to yourself, Like you can't tell me something about
me that's true that I don't know, right, you can't
tell me that I think this or feel this if
I don't, and so to me, the opinions of the
(15:02):
people who are outside who hear what I say or
see me do something. They don't really matter to me
because I'm only doing or saying what I want to do.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Anyway, Yeah, I just block them. That's really good. I
like what you say. It's a lot of integrity in
that You're strong. I just block them.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
I only block people to protect them from me.
Speaker 9 (15:22):
Oh like, so if somebody says something to me that
makes me want to be too honest with them, right,
because like I'm sort of like, I just want to
go look at your profile pick or I want to
go look at the other things you tweet.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9 (15:37):
It's like you, if you have any deficiencies that are
visible through your words or your profile picture, I'm.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Gonna kill you now I'm talking.
Speaker 9 (15:47):
And so I've gotten to the point now though, where
that's bullying, right or.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
I'm punching down.
Speaker 9 (15:54):
And so if I get that feeling like I want
to flame you, those are the people I block.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Opinions on Let's go number one the Dallas Cowboys this season.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Oh they're gonna suck.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah, I mean, why why this time?
Speaker 5 (16:12):
But the thing is, though, so here's what's funny.
Speaker 9 (16:15):
The Dallas Cowboys have won twelve games the last three years,
and no matter what we want to say about their
playoff performances, the team hasn't sucked. The Dallas Cowboys haven't
been a bad football team. At the end, there's a
possibility this could be a bad football team. There's a
possibility that this team won't make the playoffs, that teams
like the Washington Commanders and New York Giants will be
(16:38):
more on their level than they ever have been. Dak
Prescott is talking about working on a deal. You lose
dan Quinn, your defense coordinator, and your entire roster was
built around what dan Quinn wants to do. You don't
add another piece outside of Jake Ferguson. And so I
do think you put this this squad who is either
(16:58):
praised too highly they win or to me criticized too
harshly when they lose. You put this team that's in
the spotlight in a worse position because you haven't worked
to make it better.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Next up, Caleb Williams and what he is walking into
in Chicago with that roster.
Speaker 9 (17:14):
The best position we've seen a rookie quarterback or number
one overall pick walk into in the history of football,
I think the only thing close to it would probably
be Andrew Luck and that's because Peyton Manning was hurt
the year before, which gave them that pick.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
We have to remember Chicago used Carolina's pick.
Speaker 9 (17:33):
Who could really use another number one pick to get
the number one overall pick after playing better toward the
end of the season building around him in the offseason.
As far as GM Ryan Poles and his vision for
some of the skilled players Keenan Allen, DJ Moore, DeAndre Swift,
Roma Dunze, drafted Cole Comet at the tight end position,
(17:53):
I think he has an opportunity to.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Have a really good year.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Any chance that JJ McCarthy injury could actually be a
blessing in disguise.
Speaker 9 (18:03):
I mean, I think there's a chance we could see
it that way, but I don't know if it is right. Like,
if JJ McCarthy is really good year two on, are
we gonna sit here and say he's really good because
he didn't play last year? Or is the optimist and
knee or the pessimists, I don't know which one it
to be gonna say, Hell, he would have been good
as a rookie. Imagine what he could be had he
(18:26):
had that year of experience. But I do think the
caution in which they are handling his injury is a blessing, saying, hey.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Look, kid, take the year off, let's get healthy.
Speaker 9 (18:37):
Let's find a way for you to be back and
better next offseason when you could play with one of
the best wide receivers of football.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
How real is CJ. Stroud?
Speaker 5 (18:46):
The realist? Absolute realist. I think I separate Patrick Mahomes
from all quarterbacks.
Speaker 9 (18:53):
I think he's the nominally right, Patrick Mahomes is Michael Jordan,
like you should compare all the other players in Michael
Jordan's eara outside of Michael Jordan.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Patrick Mahomes is that. I think CJ.
Speaker 9 (19:04):
Stroud has an opportunity to win the MVP this year
being the AFC Championship and sort of start a legacy
in Houston like none we've ever seen, and which is
what has been a very dysfunctional organization.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Josh Allen with no wide receivers.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Still a bad mother effer though, Josh Allen man.
Speaker 9 (19:24):
I think Josh Allen is so talented, I think he's
so tough, but I also believe he needs to help.
I think Josh Allen needs great players around him to
protect him from himself, from forcing the ball into coverage,
from trying to run the football too much, from trying
to do too many things. And I think not to
mention now defensively, Jordan Poyer is no longer there, Tredavis White,
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who had been injured, is no longer there.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Matt Malano to me, who is their best player?
Speaker 9 (19:53):
Toyers is pectorial like this team is so just sort
of at a deficit from a roster standpoint, I ain't
compared to what they've been in years past. I think
he'll struggle this year, not only with production, but with
keeping himself from putting the team in bad position trying
to do too much with all that talent.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Jordan Love got paid. Yeah, who's his number one guy?
Speaker 9 (20:18):
I mean, I think it all depends on how you
look at it. Romeo Dobbs would probably be my first answer.
I think D'artavian Wicks is probably the most talented of
the group. And I think somehow because maybe he's gotten money,
or because we're trying to focused on who the number
one guy is in a group of wide receivers where
they don't really need a number one. We watched them
(20:40):
play last year, and it's sort of like, throw the
ball to the open guy.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
What a novel idea. Oh my gosh, he has the
best matchup, he's wide ass open. Throw him the ball.
Speaker 9 (20:51):
Whereas we see so many times with these number one dudes,
you get one hundred and eighty targets and forty of
them are bad targets because we expect you to win.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
I think that team would be good.
Speaker 9 (21:00):
But also adding Josh Jacobs and Matt Lafleur, finally getting
to run the offense he wants to run, not the
one Aaron Rodgers okays.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Is kind of what we saw the last half of
the season.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Final question when it comes to the NFL this coming season,
like we're seeing a lot of things different, most visually
is the kickoff role. Is this gonna be normal in
like three weeks?
Speaker 3 (21:24):
This always gonna look weird?
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Does It's always going to look weird to people like us?
Speaker 9 (21:28):
But I do think it will get normal and we
will want to normalize it when the play is no
longer ceremonial. Right, think about it, We've all waited for
the Super Bowl. We're fired up, and damn Harrison, Butcker
kicks it eight yards and end zone, the.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
Dude takes you know what I mean, Like, that's what
it was. It was a time for.
Speaker 9 (21:49):
Us to all stand up, snap pitchers or go get snacks.
Whereas I think now, because there's ways to gain advantages
if you're the kicking team as well also ways schematically
to win in the dynamic kickoff if you're the return team,
we'll see more.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Exciting place not the final question at the bonus question,
is Dak worth sixty million dollars?
Speaker 5 (22:11):
You're worth what they pay you?
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Well, Dak gets sixty million dollars close.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
Too, for sure. Yeah, here's my thing.
Speaker 9 (22:18):
If he does it now, No, they're talking about this
deal getting done.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
He said it could be done.
Speaker 9 (22:24):
He wants it done before the season, and he says
the talks are going well as close as it's ever been.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
I would only do that if I'm Jerry Jones.
Speaker 9 (22:32):
Is if I can get him to sign for what
we're seeing Jordan Love and what Trevor Lawrence and those.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Guys like high fifty five fifty Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 9 (22:41):
Because but if I wait, then yes, but if you
sign now, no, you got to sign the deals these
other dudes signed.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
What makes you worth sixty million When I'm competing.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
With myself, that he's just the latest dump.
Speaker 9 (22:52):
I mean, yeah, but that's that's such a huge joke though, right, Like,
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
Maybe you think Dak's better than Joe Burrow. I don't.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
I don't either.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
He does play though, Yeah, he's available for sure.
Speaker 9 (23:05):
But my point is I don't even like the Cowboys soot.
If I'm negotiating the contract, that's what I say, Like,
you're signing this deal now, the going rate is fifty five,
You're gonna take fifty five if not, if I don't
give a little to give you fifty.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Six, big fans appreciate you, man, Thank you so much,
you guys, sir. He's a former NFL linebacker. It's Channing Crowder.
Channing played his entire career with the Dolphins. Now is
a podcast with Fred Taylor and Ryan Clark called The
Pivot Podcast, which is really good. Here he is Channing Crowder.
So we were just talking to Fred and Fred said
(23:40):
that you say wild stuff.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
He's crazy. He said, you're the crazy one.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
I do have a good time with life.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
What were you like as a kid, Damn, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Yeah, I have some questions. Oh I was always wild
interceeding single mom. You know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,
so you had to you know what I'm saying. It
was it was always a struggle. It was always you
had to make it a you know, like almost crap
or get off the pot.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
And so that's where life was for me. So I
always wanted to lighten everybody's life, and I think that's
what built my personality. Was just every time I'm around somebody,
I want you to leave the room in a better
mental place than you walked in the room. If you're
around me.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Okay, well what if you're on the field.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Obviously you're running the defense and middle linebacker.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Did you talk a lot across the line?
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Oh? I talked to everybody cause it wasn't it really?
And I've told my story. I can tell you all
a bunch of stories. I talked trash for me and
my teammates more than to hurt or feel.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
It wasn't so much at them. It was mostly for you.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
It was a blind like I didn't see people's faces
when I played. I just saw a blank. It's you're
trying to my coach tells me to get here. Your
coach tells me, tells you not to let me get there.
So it was a blank slate.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
But the the.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Antics of it was to hurt your feelings. Why I
got there, and it was just fun and it happened
a lot of times. And I have a bunch of
stories about guys I really got to and guys I
couldn't get to, Like.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Could you not crack?
Speaker 4 (25:19):
I couldn't crack johnasthan Ogden. I was talking trash to Jo,
But how do you know you couldn't crack them? Because
they laughed like he'd be like, and people would hear
they'd be like, hey, they told me about you ray
Rice when he was with it. And I know all
the crap that happened with ray Rice, and we won't
get into that. But there was guys that, like I
(25:39):
used to try to get to and they look over
and you'd see when I called your mom, you know
your mom has herpes or your sister as simphilist and
I would see it and they look at me and
then they kind of smiled like, oh no, dudes, told
me you're gonna say this and you're gonna try to
hurt my feelings, so I'm not gonna let you. So
then at that point, it was just fun. Now it's
(26:00):
just it's just it's just the chess match of football.
But yeah, I love I just love the interaction between people.
I love the back and forth between people. And if
you're going against me, I'm gonna try to hurt your
feelings and see if I can get to you.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
I have a question regarding what we hear today about
the Dolphins, if just Florida in general. With you playing
college ball floor, you wrote just Florida guy, right.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Yeah, guy, Yes, I'm from Atlanta, but I went to
UF and then stayed out. Florida Dolphins. Yeah, I live
on I'll never leave Miami. I'm gonna live in Miami
the rest of my life.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
So here's my question about you. The perfect guy for
this conversation. Athletes like a Tua or anybody with the
Dolphins and it gets cold, it's they can't play in cold.
Is that a real thing or is that a media thing.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
It's a real thing. It's a real thing. Early in
the season two thousand and five six, the Denver Broncos,
like were twelve and four. They went to the playoffs.
We beat the hell out of in Miami because they
came down to Miami. They couldn't play in one hundred
degrees weather with all the humidity. And even last year
you saw toua as soon as they I knew they
were going to Kansas City and it was gonna be
(27:03):
brutally eight degrees. I'm like, these dudes have never played
in this. They can't play at the top level, especially
how Mike McDaniel's offense is, that spread offense and that
timing stuff with all the speed guys a four to
three guy and eight degrees runs a four to five.
So these no safety can sit with them. So it
does to your question, it does. It does mean something,
(27:24):
and that's what the Dolphins have to overcome. The Dolphins
are gonna win ten, eleven, twelve games this year. They're
gonna be at the worst ten and seven. They're gonna
get to the playoffs. They're gonna have to play the Ravens,
the Steelers, the Bengals, the the Chargers, the Chiefs. They're
gonna have to play. The AFC has loaded, Uh, don't
(27:44):
sleep on Shane Stikeen and three Richards and the Colts,
don't sleep on Trevor Lawns and them. With that, the
AFC is loaded right now, the Dolphins are gonna whoop
a bunch of ass in the regular season, like we've
seen for the last three years. They're gonna get to
December in January and have to beat up on a
very good team in the AFC. And that's what it's
gonna be.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
But then, what can you do to make sure that
whenever you go to the cold, you don't freeze like
practice train in the cold. It's like when you guys
would turn the volume up, like if you're going somewhere loud.
Because if that's the case, how do you acclimate yourself
by being involved?
Speaker 4 (28:23):
You can't really acclimate yourself. You have to figure out
a way to play in that. And that's my one
thing about the Dolphins that I tell people, and that
I've even knowing Mike McDaniel. Like Mike McDaniel's been on
our podcast. I've talked with him. I'm cool with him.
I'm in South Florida. I actually I'm working on getting
a opening a restaurant in hard Rock Stadium, like I'm
always down there. I want to see a team that
(28:44):
can load up in a I formation and run the
ball straight down somebody's throat, because if you think about it.
The Chiefs can do it with Protecco, that physical style
of football, because he runs, he runs, asks what people
do in the playoffs. The Ravens are already set up
that way. Mike, Mike Tomlin a good friend of mine.
Every time we have this conversation, he laughs because he
(29:04):
knows that you're gonna have to at some point to
win a Super Bowl be able to load up and
just physically whoop somebody's ass. A weather thing like it's it,
but it is a weather thing because it works better
in that weather because you can't go out there and
be glitzy and glamour and all that stuff and motioning
and spreading the offense and bringing it back in and
(29:26):
all the stuff that And it's a lot of people.
Sean McVay does it. I love Sean McVay. Uh Raheem
Morris in Atlanta. It's this new it's a new coaching
tree that's going on right now because it's McDaniel, it's
Kyle Shanahan, it's McVeigh, it's all these young coaches that
are coming at Shane Stichen and the coach it's this new,
(29:47):
this new that old Belichick parcels tree of the three
four defense. It's not working anymore. It's not what the
league is. So they have to have this these new
young guys. But the guys that can low up and
physically just whooped somebody's butt in the line of scrimmage
is the ones that are gonna be able to do
it at a championship level. The Dolphins last year number
(30:10):
one offense to a led the league in passing yards.
They're gonna be able to do that. At some point.
You gotta be able to load up and beat somebody's tail.
Then that's that's the thing that great teams can do.
And that's why Mike Tomlin with the Steelers at any
year they're gonna win double digit games because of the
fact that he can load up and say, you know what,
(30:31):
my man back here, this big, big tailback he can
run down, He'll he'll get your eight yards of pop.
And that's what it becomes.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Then follow this logic then for the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I just think about the Dolphins too.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Everybody uses as the example who can't win any cold
so they need to. In the AFC East, they need
to win every game early loose. The Patriots gonna suck.
They may even go and be cold home and beat
the Patriots, and then they need to have hometel advantage
for the entire playoffs, and obviously the Super Bowl is
gonna be mostly somewhere warmer indoors.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
That's their ticket.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
When a bunch early lose a couple of cold wins
end of the season and then have home built the
whole time, that's about the probably the only way they
go win.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
At If they can't run the ball, if they can't
play a physical style of football, that's a I mean,
but they don't a moster. The little the boy from
Tennessee that just got is a monster as well. They
they literally put a track team together. But that's that
would be the answer, and they're gonna have But to
your point, they're gonna have to go somewhere and win
(31:27):
the cold game. AFCs low, I would love to be
an NFC. NFC is nothing. Who the NFC got the
Eagles forty nine ers, Cowboys who Cowboys, Yes, sir, the Cowboys,
Yes sir, you Cowboys fan, yes sir. And Dak is
gonna get to the playoffs and do exactly what Dak's
done his entire career. He's gonna be very highly paid
(31:47):
and losing the playoffs. The NFC has four teams. The
AFC has twelve.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Yes, he has a lot of great quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
AFC has twelve great quarterbacks. And that's the thing that
the Dolphins are gonna have to deal with. But I
don't care how many games they win. They're gonna have
to go somewhere and win a game late in January,
one of those weekends in January, they're gonna have to
go out of out of Miami and win a game
in cold weather or hopefully in the damn stadium somewhere.
What about travel fatigue? Like, is that a thing? It's
(32:18):
really not. These dudes have too you pay them too
much money. It's fIF million dollars. The trouble. You can
get out of here. Play football, well, we play football
short week when you play Sunday and Thursday, that means
and then London when you go to lunchon something. But
when they're talking about, oh, ach a West Coast trip,
he kissed my butt, ain't nobody worried about it? The
(32:38):
West Coast trip, Go play ball?
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Your mom mass her piece of that. And they got
the pivot, the pivot. Appreciate you job.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
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Speaker 2 (34:24):
A lot of people think they can be a sportscaster. Yes,
it's it's tough, but a.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Lot of people think they can just do it by
watching and seeing how easy good people make it. I
in college and after college, bit I was the Playboy
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team for a while, and we would get beat seventy
to nothing, and that was hard, very hard. It's harder
when there's nothing to talk about.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
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Speaker 1 (34:49):
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what do you do right, And not only that. On
the road when I would travel, they couldn't afford it
that color.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
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Speaker 1 (34:58):
Oh man, But it's a also there were four people listening.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
But it was difficult. It's a difficult job. Your brother
in law thinks he can do it.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
Yes, he like every time I watch games with him,
he's like, look, what's so hard about it? You just
say what happened? Then you make a little joke about it.
And he said, look right now, they're gonna lose five yards,
it's gonna get sex, and it happens. He goes, they
told you that, buddy, Relax, it's hard. It's easy to
do it for five minutes. I bet a couple of minutes,
but you can do it for a whole game. Get
out of here.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
It's tough.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
It would be like someone Eddie going, Eddie, what you
do every single day?
Speaker 2 (35:32):
There's nothing to it. Your job is so easy. Yeah,
you just talk to a microphone. You're talking to microphone exactly,
And they'd be right. You know it's not true.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
You think Tom Brady's gonna be good.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Yeah, he's gonna put the work in. No you have
a boner over him. But well, I'm saying I think
he'll put the work in to actually be good more
than anything he's shown has. I've watched him do some interviews.
I don't think he's shown me anything that he's gonna
be wow. But I think he'll put the work in
actually be really great. But same thing with Romo. Romo
never did anything really in media except the Sketcher's commercial.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Why Like, dang, he's gonna be good.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Those are good commercial. Yeah, all right, that's it.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Thank you guys.
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That's it.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
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Speaker 2 (01:44):
Appreciate you guys being here. Got a big show and
we're gonna start.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Off with I mean quite possibly are how We've had
a few big guests, but a tier guests. Steven Asmith
is a tier for sure, for sure. So that's what
we're gonna start with here in New York. We're at
Fanatics Fest, and we spent some time with Steven A.
Smith and he hates the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
He does.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
He's very open about that.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
He's ESPN's biggest personality by far at this point, probably
highest paid, but he hates the Cowboys so much. And
Eddie still had him after the interview signed his Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Had on purpose. It is pretty funny. Okay, let's get
the show started here with Steven A. Smith.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Here with Steven A.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Smith, which I have to say, listening to your podcast now,
do you feel freer to be able.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
To talk about other things?
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Because obviously I love hearing your takes on sports, but
to hear you talk politics and pop culture, like, is
that refreshing for you to be able to spread out now?
Speaker 7 (02:35):
Well, for me is what I wanted to do. It's
what I've always wanted to do. I certainly understand that
that's not necessarily the right place to do those kind
of things for ESPN. It's a sports network. And I
remember specifically before twenty twenty round twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,
when so many things were going on and Jimmy Pittaro
(02:55):
came in as president of ESPN. You know, his whole
thing to get us as a network back and focused
on giving the sports fans what they come to ESPN
the C and if we're being you know, as somebody
that's considered the face of the network, it's my obligation
to highlight when the boss is right. We did do that.
(03:19):
We got away to some degree from giving the audience
what they came to ESPN the C. So I was
in complete support of him in terms of redirecting our
focus back to making sure that when folks come to
a sports network buy and large, that's exactly what the
hell you're giving them. But in the same breath, I
(03:40):
think that when you walk away from that to those
particular channels and you're out here living your own life,
you're paying taxes, you're dealing with crime, you're dealing with
so many different things that are going on in the
real world. I wouldn't call it an obligation, but it
is a good thing to do to show that your
social conscious, you're paying attention to what's going on and
(04:03):
you're not one dimensional in terms of what you think
about and what you feel. And so I like the
idea of having a platform like my podcast Slash Show,
where over iHeartRadio over YouTube. I'm really showing the world
what's on my mind on a day to day basis
that in some cases extend beyond the parameters and sports.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Is it different going viral to a new crowd when
you have an opinion that's not sports, Because I'm sure
you say something sports, it goes viral. It's the same
people yelling at you. But I see you go viral
for all kinds it takes.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Now, it's crazy.
Speaker 7 (04:37):
You know, it's a lot of fun when I'm doing
pop culture and entertainment. For the most part, it wasn't
fun when I had to talk about p Diddy. It
wasn't fun when I had to talk about Will Smith.
It wasn't fun when I had to talk about Jada Pinkett.
But it was the news, and I thought that it
was important to touch on those things to provide a perspective,
because I'm not out here trying to insult or character
assassinate anybody. But it's important that when some body does
(05:00):
something wrong, including myself, that we're willing to highlight and
point out what you did wrong.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
There.
Speaker 7 (05:06):
I think that a lot of times in our society
what makes us very very cruel, And I would say
irresponsible is when we use any little thing as a
means to character assassinate somebody. You make a mistake, and
that's who you are. You make a mistake, that's who
you are. Know it isn't it's what you did in
this particular instance. So what you made that mistake, somebody
(05:28):
points it out. Tomorrow, do you do something good, and
we'll point that out. And that's what I try to
do because as a journalist, as a personality, as somebody
that's been in media for the last thirty years, I
know the responsibility that I have and one of the
biggest responsibilities that I have is to be fair and
to make sure that what you do and your worst
possible moment doesn't define who you are. And a lot
(05:51):
of times you have people, particularly in the world of politics, well,
if you're black and you're talking about somebody that's a Republican,
well they must be a racist. No they're not. That's wrong.
Don't do that. You know you disagree with them when
this issue attack that issue.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Well, now, if there's a there's no nuance you're there's
a body of.
Speaker 7 (06:08):
Work that is indicative of what you are, then that's different.
But on a case by case basis, and the same
thing with you know on the liberal side. You know
when conservatives say certain things, I'm not about that. It's
about Okay, today, this is what the story is. Tomorrow
it might be something else. Next week it might be
something else. Let's go on a case by case basis
because we can all. I think we all find out
(06:29):
we got common ground and we'll get far more of
us would get along than people realize. I truly believe that.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Three final things Olympics. First, the twenty twenty four basketball team.
Do you feel like they did what they went out
to do? Serbia game is obviously pretty close? Did you
expect there to be close games? And then secondly, what's
who's the twenty twenty eighteen.
Speaker 7 (06:50):
I expected the games to be relatively close. I didn't
expect it to be the nail biden that it was
against Serbia. I didn't expect them to struggle against France
to way that they did. And then Steph Curry exploded
in both games. I expected Steph Curry to look better
rian to the semifinals in a gold medal game, but
that didn't happen. I expected Jason Tatum to play more
(07:11):
that didn't happen. There were a couple of things that
you could look at, but overall bottom line is USA
went to France to win a gold medal, and they
brought home the gold medal. So they did their thing.
As it retains to twenty twenty eight. You won't see
Lebron there. You probably won't see KD there, you won't
see Steph there. But I do think you'll see Anthony Edwards.
(07:32):
I do think you'll see Tatum. I think yeah, because
I don't think Steve curR be coaching in twenty twenty eight.
I don't think he'd be coaching the team. I don't
think Jason Tatum is going to if Steve Curr's coaching,
and I wouldn't blame him after that experience to be
quite interested, because I don't listen. Steve Kerr is one
of the great great coaches this game has ever seen.
But there's no excuse in hell that you can walk
(07:53):
up to Jason Tatum before a game and say, I
might I might not have time to play you today.
He is one of the greatest players in the world
and a reigning defending NBA champion who's been a first
team All NBA player. The last three years. And by
the way, two guys and Drew Holliday and Derek White
who deferred to him for eighty two games during the
regular season. In the postseason, you finding Tom for them,
(08:14):
but not him. Jason Tatum could play four different positions
on the basketball court. How do you excuse not finding
Tom for him? And that's why he looks so bad
when you did put him in because he never knew
when he was gonna play, and he couldn't catch any
rhythm or anything like that. So I look at it
from that standpoint, but it is what it is. At
the end of the day, they came home with the
golden That's what matters most.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Last question is Steven A.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Smith.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
You talk about getting along and all of us getting along.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I want to talk about my Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 7 (08:42):
I want truth.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I want the truth, Stephen A.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Smith.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
I want the real, honest opinion of my Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
This season.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
They're gonna suck this year.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
I don't think they're gonna I think they're gonna have
a tough time making the playoffs. And I think even
if they do make the playoffs, they gonna go home
ear like they always do. You got Mike McCarthy there.
I think this will probably be his last year coaching.
It would is surprised I think that Dak Prescott is
gonna get resigned. I don't think he deserves sixty million.
I don't think when you've been a quarterback for eight
years and you got two playoff victories to show for it,
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that you deserve sixty million dollars. I just don't believe that.
I'm talking about sixty million per year. I don't believe that.
But Jerry Jones will probably end up having to pay
him anyway. And I think that in a hard cap
league that is the National Football League, I think one
of the changes that needs to take place is that
we need to find see NFL teams become more sticklers
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for giving quarterbacks this kind of money because the money
that you give them court you and prevents you from
giving others money. And there's other people that deserve some
of that cash. You know, listen to quarterback is the
most important position. But the caveat that we've got to
add to it is that if you produce, if you
don't listen, there's a lot of quarterbacks that can get
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half of Dak Prescott's dollars and still win two playoff
games in eight years. And so I look at it
from that standpoint, and I'm about production. You got to
be able to produce and get it done. And if
you don't get it done, I'm not saying you deserve
to be broke. I'm not saying that you don't deserve
to be in the league. I'm not saying you don't
deserve to be paid. But we don't need to be
spending that an ordinate amount of money on quarterbacks that
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don't know how to win in January. We don't need
to be doing that.
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Speaker 8 (11:53):
Here is Super Bowl forty three champion Ryan Clark from
when we were at Fanatics Fest as well. Ryan played
thirteen seasons in the NFL as a safety, was known
for his hard hitting style of play that probably wouldn't
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Speaker 4 (12:11):
Coming on.
Speaker 8 (12:11):
Here is Ryan Clark too, too.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Too, Ryan yours?
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Can I sing?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (12:18):
You want me to say?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
The question is can you like? Will you?
Speaker 5 (12:21):
But I absolutely cannot?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
But I will, Okay, Ryan?
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I did have a question about that though.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
What's the one song you know every word too?
Speaker 9 (12:31):
I know every word to a lot of songs, but
my go to karaoke is the Cheers theme song?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Wa who karaoke? Who even has that in the machine?
Speaker 5 (12:42):
I don't think I don't. I actually don't think people do.
I just know about heart.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
You just go singing a cappella listen.
Speaker 9 (12:49):
I can't saying no way, So it don't matter if
they got their music or not, but it does it makes.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
People feel welcome.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, it was just that's like you know, you say
karaoke song, I get up and sing Yankee Doodle and
you're like, that's in karaoke, like anybody knows it, but
you know.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
But right, so what's the key to karaoke?
Speaker 9 (13:08):
Have a singing but singing a song that at some
point everyone can join in or people of our era,
the young kids obviously they don't, but anybody our age.
Once you get to where everybody knows, everybody knows that
part and they sing with you, and now you don't
sound as terrible as.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
You did, bef when they sing with you. You don't
sound as terrible when.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
They sing with you when you're singing by yourself.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
You still okay, let me ask you about people thinking
you are suck or are awesome? Okay, Now that you
are having opinions publicly a lot of the time of media, right,
you have a lot to say. That's different because if
people don't agree, but you can go viral for many
reasons now but based on your opinions, Yeah, different than
when you played, especially how because when you played well,
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social media wasn't as in your face. Yeah, but now
if you say something that you have a hot take
that people will let you know, how is that Ben
Haws that adjustment been to everybody having a voice.
Speaker 9 (14:02):
You know what, I think everybody having a voice is cool.
I mean, I think that's what our country wants and
wants to give people the ability to have. And also
it's also something I think if people are entitled to
based on our freedoms and rights. Now, as far as
the criticism, the criticism is something you allow. If I
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don't want people to hear me, I could just shut
the hell up or block them.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
But it's not even that right because here's the thing.
Speaker 9 (14:32):
Because of my jobs, I'm gonna talk, right, I'm gonna
answer questions, like my job is to get my opinion.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
It's a lot of times I'm not the one.
Speaker 9 (14:40):
Putting it out there on social media, or I don't
expect it to be on social media, and somebody that
doesn't like it or that likes it clips it like
it is what it is. The biggest part is being
authentic to yourself, Like you can't tell me something about
me that's true that I don't know, right, you can't
tell me that I think this or feel this if
I don't, and so to me, the opinions of the
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people who are outside who hear what I say or
see me do something. They don't really matter to me
because I'm only doing or saying what I want to do.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Anyway, Yeah, I just block them. That's really good. I
like what you say. It's a lot of integrity in
that You're strong. I just block them.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
I only block people to protect them from me.
Speaker 9 (15:22):
Oh like, so if somebody says something to me that
makes me want to be too honest with them, right,
because like I'm sort of like, I just want to
go look at your profile pick or I want to
go look at the other things you tweet.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9 (15:37):
It's like you, if you have any deficiencies that are
visible through your words or your profile picture, I'm.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Gonna kill you now I'm talking.
Speaker 9 (15:47):
And so I've gotten to the point now though, where
that's bullying, right or.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
I'm punching down.
Speaker 9 (15:54):
And so if I get that feeling like I want
to flame you, those are the people I block.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Opinions on Let's go number one the Dallas Cowboys this season.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Oh they're gonna suck.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah, I mean, why why this time?
Speaker 5 (16:12):
But the thing is, though, so here's what's funny.
Speaker 9 (16:15):
The Dallas Cowboys have won twelve games the last three years,
and no matter what we want to say about their
playoff performances, the team hasn't sucked. The Dallas Cowboys haven't
been a bad football team. At the end, there's a
possibility this could be a bad football team. There's a
possibility that this team won't make the playoffs, that teams
like the Washington Commanders and New York Giants will be
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more on their level than they ever have been. Dak
Prescott is talking about working on a deal. You lose
dan Quinn, your defense coordinator, and your entire roster was
built around what dan Quinn wants to do. You don't
add another piece outside of Jake Ferguson. And so I
do think you put this this squad who is either
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praised too highly they win or to me criticized too
harshly when they lose. You put this team that's in
the spotlight in a worse position because you haven't worked
to make it better.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Next up, Caleb Williams and what he is walking into
in Chicago with that roster.
Speaker 9 (17:14):
The best position we've seen a rookie quarterback or number
one overall pick walk into in the history of football,
I think the only thing close to it would probably
be Andrew Luck and that's because Peyton Manning was hurt
the year before, which gave them that pick.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
We have to remember Chicago used Carolina's pick.
Speaker 9 (17:33):
Who could really use another number one pick to get
the number one overall pick after playing better toward the
end of the season building around him in the offseason.
As far as GM Ryan Poles and his vision for
some of the skilled players Keenan Allen, DJ Moore, DeAndre Swift,
Roma Dunze, drafted Cole Comet at the tight end position,
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I think he has an opportunity to.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Have a really good year.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Any chance that JJ McCarthy injury could actually be a
blessing in disguise.
Speaker 9 (18:03):
I mean, I think there's a chance we could see
it that way, but I don't know if it is right. Like,
if JJ McCarthy is really good year two on, are
we gonna sit here and say he's really good because
he didn't play last year? Or is the optimist and
knee or the pessimists, I don't know which one it
to be gonna say, Hell, he would have been good
as a rookie. Imagine what he could be had he
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had that year of experience. But I do think the
caution in which they are handling his injury is a blessing, saying, hey.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Look, kid, take the year off, let's get healthy.
Speaker 9 (18:37):
Let's find a way for you to be back and
better next offseason when you could play with one of
the best wide receivers of football.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
How real is CJ. Stroud?
Speaker 5 (18:46):
The realist? Absolute realist. I think I separate Patrick Mahomes
from all quarterbacks.
Speaker 9 (18:53):
I think he's the nominally right, Patrick Mahomes is Michael Jordan,
like you should compare all the other players in Michael
Jordan's eara outside of Michael Jordan.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Patrick Mahomes is that. I think CJ.
Speaker 9 (19:04):
Stroud has an opportunity to win the MVP this year
being the AFC Championship and sort of start a legacy
in Houston like none we've ever seen, and which is
what has been a very dysfunctional organization.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Josh Allen with no wide receivers.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Still a bad mother effer though, Josh Allen man.
Speaker 9 (19:24):
I think Josh Allen is so talented, I think he's
so tough, but I also believe he needs to help.
I think Josh Allen needs great players around him to
protect him from himself, from forcing the ball into coverage,
from trying to run the football too much, from trying
to do too many things. And I think not to
mention now defensively, Jordan Poyer is no longer there, Tredavis White,
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who had been injured, is no longer there.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Matt Malano to me, who is their best player?
Speaker 9 (19:53):
Toyers is pectorial like this team is so just sort
of at a deficit from a roster standpoint, I ain't
compared to what they've been in years past. I think
he'll struggle this year, not only with production, but with
keeping himself from putting the team in bad position trying
to do too much with all that talent.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Jordan Love got paid. Yeah, who's his number one guy?
Speaker 9 (20:18):
I mean, I think it all depends on how you
look at it. Romeo Dobbs would probably be my first answer.
I think D'artavian Wicks is probably the most talented of
the group. And I think somehow because maybe he's gotten money,
or because we're trying to focused on who the number
one guy is in a group of wide receivers where
they don't really need a number one. We watched them
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play last year, and it's sort of like, throw the
ball to the open guy.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
What a novel idea. Oh my gosh, he has the
best matchup, he's wide ass open. Throw him the ball.
Speaker 9 (20:51):
Whereas we see so many times with these number one dudes,
you get one hundred and eighty targets and forty of
them are bad targets because we expect you to win.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
I think that team would be good.
Speaker 9 (21:00):
But also adding Josh Jacobs and Matt Lafleur, finally getting
to run the offense he wants to run, not the
one Aaron Rodgers okays.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Is kind of what we saw the last half of
the season.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Final question when it comes to the NFL this coming season,
like we're seeing a lot of things different, most visually
is the kickoff role. Is this gonna be normal in
like three weeks?
Speaker 3 (21:24):
This always gonna look weird?
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Does It's always going to look weird to people like us?
Speaker 9 (21:28):
But I do think it will get normal and we
will want to normalize it when the play is no
longer ceremonial. Right, think about it, We've all waited for
the Super Bowl. We're fired up, and damn Harrison, Butcker
kicks it eight yards and end zone, the.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
Dude takes you know what I mean, Like, that's what
it was. It was a time for.
Speaker 9 (21:49):
Us to all stand up, snap pitchers or go get snacks.
Whereas I think now, because there's ways to gain advantages
if you're the kicking team as well also ways schematically
to win in the dynamic kickoff if you're the return team,
we'll see more.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Exciting place not the final question at the bonus question,
is Dak worth sixty million dollars?
Speaker 5 (22:11):
You're worth what they pay you?
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Well, Dak gets sixty million dollars close.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
Too, for sure. Yeah, here's my thing.
Speaker 9 (22:18):
If he does it now, No, they're talking about this
deal getting done.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
He said it could be done.
Speaker 9 (22:24):
He wants it done before the season, and he says
the talks are going well as close as it's ever been.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
I would only do that if I'm Jerry Jones.
Speaker 9 (22:32):
Is if I can get him to sign for what
we're seeing Jordan Love and what Trevor Lawrence and those.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Guys like high fifty five fifty Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 9 (22:41):
Because but if I wait, then yes, but if you
sign now, no, you got to sign the deals these
other dudes signed.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
What makes you worth sixty million When I'm competing.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
With myself, that he's just the latest dump.
Speaker 9 (22:52):
I mean, yeah, but that's that's such a huge joke though, right, Like,
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
Maybe you think Dak's better than Joe Burrow. I don't.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
I don't either.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
He does play though, Yeah, he's available for sure.
Speaker 9 (23:05):
But my point is I don't even like the Cowboys soot.
If I'm negotiating the contract, that's what I say, Like,
you're signing this deal now, the going rate is fifty five,
You're gonna take fifty five if not, if I don't
give a little to give you fifty.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Six, big fans appreciate you, man, Thank you so much,
you guys, sir. He's a former NFL linebacker. It's Channing Crowder.
Channing played his entire career with the Dolphins. Now is
a podcast with Fred Taylor and Ryan Clark called The
Pivot Podcast, which is really good. Here he is Channing Crowder.
So we were just talking to Fred and Fred said
(23:40):
that you say wild stuff.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
He's crazy. He said, you're the crazy one.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
I do have a good time with life.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
What were you like as a kid, Damn, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Yeah, I have some questions. Oh I was always wild
interceeding single mom. You know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,
so you had to you know what I'm saying. It
was it was always a struggle. It was always you
had to make it a you know, like almost crap
or get off the pot.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
And so that's where life was for me. So I
always wanted to lighten everybody's life, and I think that's
what built my personality. Was just every time I'm around somebody,
I want you to leave the room in a better
mental place than you walked in the room. If you're
around me.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Okay, well what if you're on the field.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Obviously you're running the defense and middle linebacker.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Did you talk a lot across the line?
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Oh? I talked to everybody cause it wasn't it really?
And I've told my story. I can tell you all
a bunch of stories. I talked trash for me and
my teammates more than to hurt or feel.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
It wasn't so much at them. It was mostly for you.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
It was a blind like I didn't see people's faces
when I played. I just saw a blank. It's you're
trying to my coach tells me to get here. Your
coach tells me, tells you not to let me get there.
So it was a blank slate.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
But the the.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Antics of it was to hurt your feelings. Why I
got there, and it was just fun and it happened
a lot of times. And I have a bunch of
stories about guys I really got to and guys I
couldn't get to, Like.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Could you not crack?
Speaker 4 (25:19):
I couldn't crack johnasthan Ogden. I was talking trash to Jo,
But how do you know you couldn't crack them? Because
they laughed like he'd be like, and people would hear
they'd be like, hey, they told me about you ray
Rice when he was with it. And I know all
the crap that happened with ray Rice, and we won't
get into that. But there was guys that, like I
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used to try to get to and they look over
and you'd see when I called your mom, you know
your mom has herpes or your sister as simphilist and
I would see it and they look at me and
then they kind of smiled like, oh no, dudes, told
me you're gonna say this and you're gonna try to
hurt my feelings, so I'm not gonna let you. So
then at that point, it was just fun. Now it's
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just it's just it's just the chess match of football.
But yeah, I love I just love the interaction between people.
I love the back and forth between people. And if
you're going against me, I'm gonna try to hurt your
feelings and see if I can get to you.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
I have a question regarding what we hear today about
the Dolphins, if just Florida in general. With you playing
college ball floor, you wrote just Florida guy, right.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Yeah, guy, Yes, I'm from Atlanta, but I went to
UF and then stayed out. Florida Dolphins. Yeah, I live
on I'll never leave Miami. I'm gonna live in Miami
the rest of my life.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
So here's my question about you. The perfect guy for
this conversation. Athletes like a Tua or anybody with the
Dolphins and it gets cold, it's they can't play in cold.
Is that a real thing or is that a media thing.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
It's a real thing. It's a real thing. Early in
the season two thousand and five six, the Denver Broncos,
like were twelve and four. They went to the playoffs.
We beat the hell out of in Miami because they
came down to Miami. They couldn't play in one hundred
degrees weather with all the humidity. And even last year
you saw toua as soon as they I knew they
were going to Kansas City and it was gonna be
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brutally eight degrees. I'm like, these dudes have never played
in this. They can't play at the top level, especially
how Mike McDaniel's offense is, that spread offense and that
timing stuff with all the speed guys a four to
three guy and eight degrees runs a four to five.
So these no safety can sit with them. So it
does to your question, it does. It does mean something,
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and that's what the Dolphins have to overcome. The Dolphins
are gonna win ten, eleven, twelve games this year. They're
gonna be at the worst ten and seven. They're gonna
get to the playoffs. They're gonna have to play the Ravens,
the Steelers, the Bengals, the the Chargers, the Chiefs. They're
gonna have to play. The AFC has loaded, Uh, don't
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sleep on Shane Stikeen and three Richards and the Colts,
don't sleep on Trevor Lawns and them. With that, the
AFC is loaded right now, the Dolphins are gonna whoop
a bunch of ass in the regular season, like we've
seen for the last three years. They're gonna get to
December in January and have to beat up on a
very good team in the AFC. And that's what it's
gonna be.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
But then, what can you do to make sure that
whenever you go to the cold, you don't freeze like
practice train in the cold. It's like when you guys
would turn the volume up, like if you're going somewhere loud.
Because if that's the case, how do you acclimate yourself
by being involved?
Speaker 4 (28:23):
You can't really acclimate yourself. You have to figure out
a way to play in that. And that's my one
thing about the Dolphins that I tell people, and that
I've even knowing Mike McDaniel. Like Mike McDaniel's been on
our podcast. I've talked with him. I'm cool with him.
I'm in South Florida. I actually I'm working on getting
a opening a restaurant in hard Rock Stadium, like I'm
always down there. I want to see a team that
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can load up in a I formation and run the
ball straight down somebody's throat, because if you think about it.
The Chiefs can do it with Protecco, that physical style
of football, because he runs, he runs, asks what people
do in the playoffs. The Ravens are already set up
that way. Mike, Mike Tomlin a good friend of mine.
Every time we have this conversation, he laughs because he
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knows that you're gonna have to at some point to
win a Super Bowl be able to load up and
just physically whoop somebody's ass. A weather thing like it's it,
but it is a weather thing because it works better
in that weather because you can't go out there and
be glitzy and glamour and all that stuff and motioning
and spreading the offense and bringing it back in and
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all the stuff that And it's a lot of people.
Sean McVay does it. I love Sean McVay. Uh Raheem
Morris in Atlanta. It's this new it's a new coaching
tree that's going on right now because it's McDaniel, it's
Kyle Shanahan, it's McVeigh, it's all these young coaches that
are coming at Shane Stichen and the coach it's this new,
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this new that old Belichick parcels tree of the three
four defense. It's not working anymore. It's not what the
league is. So they have to have this these new
young guys. But the guys that can low up and
physically just whooped somebody's butt in the line of scrimmage
is the ones that are gonna be able to do
it at a championship level. The Dolphins last year number
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one offense to a led the league in passing yards.
They're gonna be able to do that. At some point.
You gotta be able to load up and beat somebody's tail.
Then that's that's the thing that great teams can do.
And that's why Mike Tomlin with the Steelers at any
year they're gonna win double digit games because of the
fact that he can load up and say, you know what,
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my man back here, this big, big tailback he can
run down, He'll he'll get your eight yards of pop.
And that's what it becomes.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Then follow this logic then for the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I just think about the Dolphins too.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Everybody uses as the example who can't win any cold
so they need to. In the AFC East, they need
to win every game early loose. The Patriots gonna suck.
They may even go and be cold home and beat
the Patriots, and then they need to have hometel advantage
for the entire playoffs, and obviously the Super Bowl is
gonna be mostly somewhere warmer indoors.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
That's their ticket.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
When a bunch early lose a couple of cold wins
end of the season and then have home built the
whole time, that's about the probably the only way they
go win.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
At If they can't run the ball, if they can't
play a physical style of football, that's a I mean,
but they don't a moster. The little the boy from
Tennessee that just got is a monster as well. They
they literally put a track team together. But that's that
would be the answer, and they're gonna have But to
your point, they're gonna have to go somewhere and win
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the cold game. AFCs low, I would love to be
an NFC. NFC is nothing. Who the NFC got the
Eagles forty nine ers, Cowboys who Cowboys, Yes, sir, the Cowboys,
Yes sir, you Cowboys fan, yes sir. And Dak is
gonna get to the playoffs and do exactly what Dak's
done his entire career. He's gonna be very highly paid
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and losing the playoffs. The NFC has four teams. The
AFC has twelve.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Yes, he has a lot of great quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
AFC has twelve great quarterbacks. And that's the thing that
the Dolphins are gonna have to deal with. But I
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to go somewhere and win a game late in January,
one of those weekends in January, they're gonna have to
go out of out of Miami and win a game
in cold weather or hopefully in the damn stadium somewhere.
What about travel fatigue? Like, is that a thing? It's
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really not. These dudes have too you pay them too
much money. It's fIF million dollars. The trouble. You can
get out of here. Play football, well, we play football
short week when you play Sunday and Thursday, that means
and then London when you go to lunchon something. But
when they're talking about, oh, ach a West Coast trip,
he kissed my butt, ain't nobody worried about it? The
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Speaker 3 (32:40):
Your mom mass her piece of that. And they got
the pivot, the pivot. Appreciate you job.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
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three hundred yards? How about the receiver in Miami grabbing
a touchdown?
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Speaker 2 (34:24):
A lot of people think they can be a sportscaster. Yes,
it's it's tough, but a.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Lot of people think they can just do it by
watching and seeing how easy good people make it. I
in college and after college, bit I was the Playboy
play guy for a Division two football team and basketball
team for a while, and we would get beat seventy
to nothing, and that was hard, very hard. It's harder
when there's nothing to talk about.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah, get it pounded, because.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
You have to entertain them, right, It's just it's just
what do you do right, And not only that. On
the road when I would travel, they couldn't afford it
that color.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Guys, so I had to do both.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Oh man, But it's a also there were four people listening.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
But it was difficult. It's a difficult job. Your brother
in law thinks he can do it.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
Yes, he like every time I watch games with him,
he's like, look, what's so hard about it? You just
say what happened? Then you make a little joke about it.
And he said, look right now, they're gonna lose five yards,
it's gonna get sex, and it happens. He goes, they
told you that, buddy, Relax, it's hard. It's easy to
do it for five minutes. I bet a couple of minutes,
but you can do it for a whole game. Get
out of here.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
It's tough.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
It would be like someone Eddie going, Eddie, what you
do every single day?
Speaker 2 (35:32):
There's nothing to it. Your job is so easy. Yeah,
you just talk to a microphone. You're talking to microphone exactly,
And they'd be right. You know it's not true.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
You think Tom Brady's gonna be good.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Yeah, he's gonna put the work in. No you have
a boner over him. But well, I'm saying I think
he'll put the work in to actually be good more
than anything he's shown has. I've watched him do some interviews.
I don't think he's shown me anything that he's gonna
be wow. But I think he'll put the work in
actually be really great. But same thing with Romo. Romo
never did anything really in media except the Sketcher's commercial.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Why Like, dang, he's gonna be good.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Those are good commercial. Yeah, all right, that's it.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Thank you guys.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Eddie blowed the West away.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
See you guys,
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