Sports broadcasting legend, Rich Eisen, sits down with Bobby at his house for an hour to talk about his musical power rankings, the legendary social status of Deion Sanders, who he wants to f*ck off, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's a podcast called twenty five Wists stuck in fun
Bow and they are were a whizz. So yeah, it's
too bad, But what did you expect?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's a podcast called twenty five Whist twenty wine. Everybody,
welcome to the show. We're gonna do an hour with
Rich Eisen Rich a legend if you watch Sports Center
back when Sports Center was actually watched. I don't watch
Sports Center anymore.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Do you no? But his day is absolutely yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I mean definitely the way you could even get scores, Yeah,
and it would come on all the time. I guess
now I watch TikTok or Instagram, yeah, or I just
search for it.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah. Are there any famous anchors even now? Now?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Obviously the medium has changed, right, We're not saying they're
worse today they were than they were then.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
But I don't know any of the sports guys. No.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I feel like every time I do watch it, it's
somebody different, so I can't like relate or know any.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Rich wildly famous for Sports Center back in the day
NFL network. He has his own The Rich eisen Show now,
which is on the Roku channel from twelve to three
Eastern every weekday.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
And I've spoken to Rich on the phone.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
He called before I filled in for him the last time,
and he was like, hey, I always want you to
know and I was like, this is crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I'm talking to Rich Eisen.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
We interviewed him on this show but on zoom from
his studio, and I was like, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
That's Rich Eisen. But I never met him in person.
And I think I mentioned this.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
My wife was like, oh, you're going to see Rich
Eisen again. I was like, I never met him. She
was like, can you go. I was like yeah, but
I went because he wasn't there, you know, filled in,
But I loved him. Rich is a legend in the
sports broadcasting world ESPN from back in Sports Center days,
NFL Network since two thousand and three, multiple movies, has
done at all. You can follow him on Twitter and
Instagram at Rich Eisen and Rich Eisen Show.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
And I think we just get to it.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Anything I'm missing here.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
No, this is awesome, Jack. Was it cool for you?
It was? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I mean yeah, he's a pinnacle for me personally of
like a sports broadcasting guy that I grew up watching.
He talks about a little bit going to bed and
waking up and seeing him every day.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
That was me on the West coast, falling asleep every day,
then waking up with the rich, then waking up with
the rich both. Let's say, all right, here he is,
this is Rich eisen Rich. Thanks for coming over. You
got it, Bobby.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I was watching on I guess Instagram all all the
things you were doing the Hall of Fame last couple
of nights.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yes, sir, you got to be exhausted.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
No, I'm I'm I'm invigorated, brother, like this is.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
But do you go to work tomorrow? Will you do
the show tomorrow?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I'm gonna do the show tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yeah, flying back to La tonight as soon as I'm
done with you got a flight?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Did you at least fly private from Canton to here?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
No?
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Well, yes, private is known as business select.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, you know so, but that was Cleveland to hear
and so. But you know, I do love.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Going to the Hall of Fame is something I've done
almost as much as anything else that I've done with
NFL Network. And it's the only Hall of Fame where
it kicks off a season. Everybody else's Hall of Fame
is usually mid season or total off season. Like this
is the signal, the signal that it's back, so that
it's always neat to celebrate the pass as you're about
(03:15):
to kick off the present. It's a really neat affair.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
You spend a time with Devin Hester, I did. Yeah,
I think I would like him. You would, I think
you sure would. And I think at this point now
I can kind of tell somebody's personality. Yeah, social media
kind of allows that.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Now. I think I would like Devin Hester. What's that
guy like?
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I mean, you know, I've known of him for quite
some time, working with Dion Sanders, who took him in
because Devin didn't have a dad. I believe his dad
died when he was eleven, so Dion was kind of
his father figure. So to see Dion there for the
jacket presentation, to be the one to put it on
him was a pretty neat moment for both guys. He's
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he's considered a Devon a son for a long time.
I was there on a Thursday night football game in
Atlanta when he broke Dion's record for returns with Dion
there underneath Dion's banner in Dion's house that he built
the Georgia Dome, And it's pretty amazing that I think
(04:16):
The thing that makes him particularly special is that. Listen,
the thing you love in sports the most is when
the expectation level is not just met, but surpassed. And
anytime he touched the ball, you expected something special to
happen with him. And the number of times that he
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did it when it was expected of him on the
biggest stages like the Super Bowl or a Thursday night
game with Dion in the house.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
The fact that he.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Got an opportunity to return one and then he did
it is what makes him a Hall of Famer. And
those are the most special moments in sports where you're like, boy,
this guy hits a home run.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Boy, I hope he returns one.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Boy, I'd love to see, you know, him win a
game with a three point shot. And they've the sports
gods bestow them with the opportunity and then they cash
it in. It. It really is something else to see,
and he's he's really special in that regard.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
How did you and Dion become close?
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Well, I mean we worked together so and that was
that was about it. We started working together at NFL
Network in the mid aughts, and you know when when
Dion joins, obviously there's a buzz and there's an excitement
level because of what he brings to the table. But
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there's also, and he'll tell you this, an expectation that
he makes it about him because he's prime time and
and and and he is somebody that invites the spotlight.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
He doesn't just basket it. He invites it.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
So anybody who's worked with him or was a teammate
of his will we'll let you know. He's the most collaborative,
best teammate that you can have. And begun when the
highlights show that we were doing together from jump when
he joined NFL Network NFL Game Day Highlights, which was
the highlights show after the late afternoon games were over
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in advance of Sunday Night Football, and then after Sunday
Night Football, it was me, Dion and Steve Mariucci and
Steve was kind of new to television, and so they
put Dion in the middle and Steve at the end
of the set. And Dion said, first thing, he goes,
let's not have Steve on the outside. Let's have him
(06:34):
in the middle, because you know, if I'm in the
middle and I'm talking to Rich, it's.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
You know, Steve will be forgotten.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
He's going to be out there on on his own,
and I was totally blown away by that. He was awesome.
He was always thinking about other people. I had a
fortieth birthday party. He surprised me by flying in from
Texas just for it. He's the best man and I've
just him and he was given out the first Thursday
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Night season. He was always telling much that his shoes stunk,
so he was going to get Gucci's for his Mucci
and he got him Gucci shoes, and then he asked.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Everybody for their sizes.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Didn't want to leave anybody out, so we all got
Gucci slipped you know, we all got these awesome Gucci
slip on shoes. I could tell deonn stories for days.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I think it was about twenty seventeen. ABC called and
I've done a little work with them. This is pre Idol,
before I was on Idol for a bunch of years
and Dancing with the Stars. Yes, and they kind of
just flirted with putting me on because it wasn't like
coastal guy. You know, I didn't live in LA, didn't live.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
In New York.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
And they were like, hey, come out and test for
this daytime talk show.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
And I was like Oh cool, that's great.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I've done a lot of tests, and I get there
and you've actually been famous for a long time. I've
only ever flirted with like the crust of the water, right,
you know. So I'm up and it's like me and
I'm doing all these panels with like Rudy Huxtable and
fueling in or Ransick and like house the eighth Housewife
of these shows. And so I make it through that day,
(08:12):
and so I really didn't know what I was doing
even going out there meeting. I didn't know it was
going to be like can you survive day one to
get to day too? So then I'm in like day
two with like slightly more famous people.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
So now it's like theo Huxtable and then it's.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Like this, you upgraded the fifth Housewife.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
So I continue to move through and there are actually
like famous people that are testing for the show on
the very last day, and it's a little intimidating for me,
and everybody's in their clicks in the.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Very Hollywood way.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
And so I'm just sitting at this cafeteria in this
cafeteriity table by myself, and somebody goes, hey, you can
come sit over here. And I looked up and it
was freaking Deon Sanders, who I'd never met. He didn't
know me, but he just saw me sitting by myself.
Now I'm an adult man at this point too, It's
not like I'm a twelve year old kid. But it
was that four Gump moment where you know, can't see
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he seats taken. What really felt like that? And so
he invited me over and I talked with him for
a while, and then we worked together because him and I,
it was him and I that ABC picked to the show.
We worked there every day for four months. What And
I tell people like, he was like the greatest I'll
look out for you dude.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
That I've ever worked with.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, right when he was coaching his kids in high
school at the time, should Or he was the high
school coach down in Texas, and he fled back and
forth and Tracy would come.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
For his truth.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, And so we did the show for ABC. They
changed their kind of executive hierarchy, and the show went
to pilot and then it did not get picked up.
And so we went from working together every day for
four months to not at all. But I kid you not,
he would just reach out randomly, and I would be
amazed that somebody so world renowned, excellent at what he does,
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regardless of what area he was in, would actually think
to remember and care. And so then when he got
the job at Jackson State, I reached out super cool
Colorad and the perception I think that people have of him,
and I don't think it's unfair because I think he
does it.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
He knows what he's great and invites, Yes, he invites it.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
But I would be like his biggest and he didn't
need an advocate of like, he's the greatest dude ever.
And one of my books come out, he took a
picture and posted on social media from reading the book
with the cover up. Didn't ask him, And I just
remember Dian being so cool. So when he comes on
your show, I'm always like, man, that is you know,
it's so cool. Is he somebody else like yourself who
loves Dion? I do who had that relationship on a
(10:31):
personal basis because he was so cool to me when
he didn't have to be.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
It's just he is you.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
He's just truly the one of the coolest guys you
can ever meet. And I'll just I'll never forget we
were going to the Pro Bowl practice one year, the
first year it was taken out of Hawaii and it
was put in South Florida. And so we're driving by
(10:58):
a baseball in Fort Lauderdale and on the way to
the practice, and he goes, I.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Think I've been here before. I got this feeling I've
been here before.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
I'm like, yeah, Dionne, that that's where you were in
spring training with the Yankees. And you forget, Okay, you
just forget sometimes how much he's lived and how great
he's been at living elite right, and where he is
(11:29):
a guy who also hosted Saturday Night Live and had
a song must be the Money and could have been
the MVP of a World series and so on and
so on and so on. Easily the most famous guy
I've ever walked through an airport with, hands down, anybody,
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regardless of race, color, cleeds, socio creed, socio economic status,
they all want a piece of him. And I'm you know,
I will always sing deons praises always.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
About five years ago, I redesigned the radio studio to
be more visual. You know, I have cameras in the walls.
I mean I stole the set completely from yours. Before
I'd even ever sat in yours. My dream was to
always be and it shifted a bit without technology has been.
But I always wanted to do a late night talk
show because Letterman was my hero me too. Yeah, he
was like he looked he was irreverend, he was goofy.
I felt like, if that guy can do it, I
(12:26):
have a chance. Sure, And so when I flipped the
radio show into a multimedia show on vol intent's purposes, sure,
I would watch your watch you on social media and
I was just like, I mean, that's the set that
I'd like to have, So I'd like to say that
publicly I stole I stole that from it.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
I'm I'm honored that you would say that or or
think it.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I'm the same way. You know, Letterman was is my guy.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
I mean, like the the comedic axiom of make a joke,
repeat it, then beat it to death.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
That's David Letterman, and I love that. Do you ever
meet him?
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I was on his show once, so that's the only
time I've met him. And trust me, I really wanted
to get on his show. I mean, of all the
of all shows, that's the one and the number of
times that I you know, attempted.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
And had people, you.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Know, reach out was voluminous, and the one year he
accepted was twenty eleven because he was curious as to
because it was during the lockout of the NFL season
of twenty eleven, he was curious how I would host
a draft during a lockout. He was fascinated by that,
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and so that's how I got on. And in my
green room there is the there's the Q cards from it.
I got the Q cards from his introduction of me.
So that's truly one one of my favorite pop culture
items that's hung in the green room of my shop.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
And he's he's the best. He's the absolute best at it.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
And so I always wanted to be, you know, either
a stand up comic or a late.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Night talk show host. Did you ever try comedy?
Speaker 4 (14:19):
And I did try comedy. I tried comedy in stand up.
I did stand up in college, and so yeah, I
did stand up in college.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
And that was.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
The toughest thing I've ever had to do, ever had
to do, is stand up in college. And I loved
it to this point where if I don't get an
immediate feedback from those on the set, I think a
joke is flopped and I'm you know, like even that moment,
I'm looking around to see who's laughing. I'm I'm, I'm
I'm trained for that, and I always will tell anybody
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on a set that I'm on go ahead and laugh.
I don't care if I hear it. You know, ruining
anything you don't have to like, it's not a library.
There should be some energy. Toughest thing I've ever had
to do, loved it, just didn't think I would be
cut out for that life. So getting an opportunity to
be a sportscaster on Sports Center, I kind of had
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that stand up mentality, and then being able to do
the show that I'm doing right now turning ten years
old in October, is it's a blessing that I get
to bring sort of a talk show feel to sports talk,
you know, hybrid it up with a wrap it around
pop culture every single day. Three hours is a long time,
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but that just means I have an opportunity to have
more guests.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, I feel like there's a slightly different version of
you in a timeline that's twenty five years into a
talk show, because you have all the sensibilities of any
of the greats. Thanks that that have done it, meaning
you're quick, you're funny, you're and I say this in
the way because I would get research back from these
networks and they would go, this is on me. So
they would go, you know, you've testedmen like you're just
(16:02):
good looking enough to where they like you, and you're
not so good looking that the guys don't like you.
I'd be right in that space where it didn't feel
good when they would say it, but they would hire
me for these shows because.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I was like, you're not threatening to anybody.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
You're growling enough, but threatening, And I don't know how
I would test, you know, my my testing on that
front certainly when I was mostly single, when I was
on my Sports Center days and I'd go to a
bar and suddenly a drink would be placed in front
of me that I didn't order, and the bartender would say,
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this has been you know, it's a drink be bought
for you, and I would look up and there would
be like three hot chicks and just the one fat
guy in between him just raising his glass at me,
like you're the man that was.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
That is my point. That anecdote, right, there's exactly what
I'm saying. Yeah, meaning.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
You're super funny, but I think some of your funny
can be lost because you have to talk for so long.
I feel the same way about myself. I've got to
do four or five hours. Yeah, and when you have
to talk that long about things, the really funny things
can get lost because you're having to paint broad stroke.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
You are not wrong, Bobby, And that's why the advent
of and the currency that figuratively not literally, because these
don't really make a lot of money actually revenue wise,
to go deep in the business of it. But the
reels on Instagram, the TikTok world, the shorts on YouTube,
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that you can now pull those moments out of a
four hour conversation and spotlight it in ninety seconds. And
that is the way people consume your world as as
a mainstream.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Way of consuming.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Back when you know, we were kids, it'd be just like,
what do you mean you can just boil down a
three hour show to ninety fun seconds and people will
watch that?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And how will they watch it?
Speaker 4 (18:06):
And how is that even remotely showing off the breadth
of your work. Now, that's the way it works. The
reels Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, shorts, Facebook, shorts. That's the way
a lot of people consume things. And in the past
they'd be like, yeah, but I had so much to
say in the other you know, two hours fifty eight minutes,
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and I'm bad at math, you know, in thirty seconds,
like what about the other ones? But that's now you
can pull those moments out and say, Hey, if you
want to consume all three hours live, you can do that.
If you want to consume all three hours on demand
watching it and also listening to it, you've got that.
But now there's a way to take the best ninety
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seconds to you know, one hundred and twenty seconds and
serve it up to you. And I get so many
people saying, man, love your show on TikTok, and I
don't distribute it live on TikTok, you know, but I'll
take you know. Certainly is as somebody who wouldn't be
associated with being viewable on TikTok, But that's the way
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it is now.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
It does feel weird.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
But then there are shows that I only consume through TikTok,
Like there are podcasts sure that I really only watch
show on TikTok, and I don't even follow them. My
algorithm feeds them to me, but now I expect my
algorithm to feed them to me.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
And if you ask me, do you listen to the
Jovon is an example? Do you listen to the Oovonne?
I know a lot about what he's doing because I
see all his clips on TikTok, and so it is
a different world where I think back to my point
of I think you're at times wildly funny. But it's
hard to find those nuggets if you're listening to a
large sample, because you've got to you got to land
all the planes, you've got guests, you've got to interview.
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But these smaller clip versions allow a different part that
we want to be highlighted to actually be highlighted.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
And I have no problem with it. It's it's it's
really it's a game changer. Where As there would be
a funny moment and a five minute inner you know
clip that we put out there, you know, it's just
not consumable for a lot of demographics, a lot of
age groups, and now you just boil it down to
ninety seconds, two minutes. It's it's a difference maker, certainly
(20:21):
when you're having when you got a talk show, you know,
because there are great moments and then there's also boy
that was great. How you can get in depth? You
got this answer? You got that answer? Well, there's a
podcast for that. There's a twenty minute version of that,
and there's a YouTube version of that. That's the twenty
first century we're in and I'm you know, trying to
figure it out while exploiting it at the same time.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Can you go out and not be recognized now in
la oh?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah? I mean yeah, even famous for so long I
have been, but I'm still an acquired taste Bobby, you know.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
But it's fine. I'm not complaining about anything there, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
A perfect example. He was just yesterday at the Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Some dude stops me and says, rich Eisen, can we
take a picture?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
And I'm like yeah, and he's like, love you man?
This that the other thing?
Speaker 4 (21:13):
And he turns around as I'm leaving, and his wife says,
who's that?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Does it ever happen? Who's that? Like out loud? Yeah,
And I.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Laughed, you know what I mean, Like, I'm just gonna
laugh and not turn around and say what do you like?
It's just there's different, you know, walks of life and
just trying to cross over as much as I possibly
can and get my material out there. But it kind
of just was funny because she knew when she said
that that I could hear that, and I almost turned
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around and told him, like, you know, I can, I
can hear you ask who I am? You know clearly
enough for your husband to stop the conversation with you
on the spot to stop me take a photograph boy,
and have me walk away, but not out of like
or next time you don't know who your husband's stopping
and take a selfie with, can you wait wait till
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you're that person's out of earshot before asking who that
person is?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
You know? But hey, it's all good.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
It's kind of you to, you know, ask that question,
and it's it's all good man. And I don't mind
stopping talking to people, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
It. It doesn't phaze me at all. It's great.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
The weird one for me is if someone comes up
and they say hey, and I feel like people at
times aren't knowing what they're saying.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
They're just trying to fill silent. Can I guess what
it is? I'm sure you can. YEA. Where are you from?
Where do I know you? That happens a lot too,
like like it's now my I like what am I good? Personal? Google?
Am I like your your AI assistant here?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
That's not even the most cutting though that if that happens,
that's a nice one, okay, the one that cuts me
the most. I'll come up and go, hey, do you
mind if I get a picture? And I'm like, no, not
at all. They go, I don't even know who you
are is a huge fan or my aunt's. And I
think to myself, you don't have to say you.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Don't know who I am.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
You can just say can I take a picture? And
then do then disperse with the picture however you'd like.
But they'll come up and go, hey, do you mind
if I get a picture?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I'm of course not. Why would I care?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
To be honest, I don't know who you are? But
you know my aunt.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Will love this.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, And I'm like, there's no I didn't feel like
there was a need to say you.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Didn't know who I was. I have no idea who
you are. Yeah, right.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
My favorite moment was this happened with Stuart once Stuart Scott,
where somebody came up and these were the old days
where there were no camera phones. Okay, like the actual
funk an actual real camera.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I'm standing here with him.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
He says, would you Somebody went up to Stewart and
said would you mind taking a picture? He goes, absolutely not,
and they handed him the camera to take a picture
of me with that person. And it was like, Stuart
thought I had put this person up to that, but
it was not at all.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
And it was awesome.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
That to the point where I would then in future
times ask people to do that to work, and then
he would ask people to do that to me like
so anytime, which is a problem because now we're being
skeptical of people asking what you mind if you took.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
A picture, You've planted the seed of doubt at all times. Oh,
but it was great.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
He handed the camera to Stewart and Stewart's like, oh, okay,
took the picture.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Oh my god, that was awesome.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Was that the All Star Game this year? Another one
is someone had recognized me from something and I was like,
take a picture of sure love, let's take a picture
someone else. Camp I goes, hey, can I get one?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah? Sure, take one? Who are you again?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I just saw them taking a picture with you.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Got that?
Speaker 4 (24:38):
And again, yeah, I'm like, here, I should have you
know what you and I should have folded up in
our wallets.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
If you still have, you're way more famous than I am.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Like we should we should have like our resumes folded up,
Like here you go. I just put a code unfolded
and say, this is my resume, this is who I am.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
One of those menus shot with COVID you put, you know,
you do the menu on your phone. I just keep
that on my pants in my back pocket.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
We should have a QR code. Have them shoot the
QR code to find out who we are.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Here it is. They got a blue check mark and everything.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Here's my QR code. You know, use my code name
of Rich. You'll get twenty dollars off your first purchase.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Whatever it is when you're famous and living in Connecticut.
Because I mean, that era for me was just in
music and sports in general. That era for me was
when I probably grew the most as a human being.
So all of you guys were wildly famous to me
because I watched every day, every night Sports Center ESPN.
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But I would I have friends now that we're super famous.
In the nineties and early two thousands, in music, and
they would be touring all the time, and they would
not know how famous they were because there wasn't social media,
and so they would just be traveling until it was over,
or they could settle, or they would be in LA
or New York.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
They really wouldn't know. Was it like that? Then?
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Oh yeah, let me tell you something, Bobby, So I
did the mostly for my seven year Sports Center career.
I did mostly the two am Eastern Times Sports Center
that would be eleven o'clock Pacific and would be re
aired for hours the next morning throughout the next morning.
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Like that would never happen now, right, Like they would
never air a show that's dated by hours, like they'll
be live.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
That's the way it works now.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
But back in that day, and then they moved up
the time slot from two am to one am. The
problem with that was is that the number of West
Coast events that weren't over by that time, we had
to rebasically redo the show a second time at two
am Eastern to update, and if they weren't somehow over
by the end of that show, we'd have to stay
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later until the show until the game ended to put
it into the show of record that would get reaired
throughout the next day. So I'm living in central Connecticut
and coming to work at like five o'clock at night,
doing a show that aired at one am and then
two am, and then getting home at four am, and
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then trying to get off the high of being on
live TV in time to go to sleep, and then
I would sleep throughout the most exposure I've had on
cable television in my entire career, from five am it
would start Eastern Time, all the way to one in
the afternoon. I still get people today, and I'm obviously
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it blows me away when people come up to me with,
you know, with their kids next to them, saying that
I used to they used to watch me and Stuart
Scott mostly before they got on the school bus in
the morning because I was on at seven am, eight
am or six am non stop. So I would be
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sleeping when I got the most exposure of my career,
and then I would wake up, I'd have lunch. I
don't know what the hell I was doing with my
life then, and then going to work and doing it again,
and I would have no idea who's watching it.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Zero.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
It was as if I was living on another I
was living on planet Bristol, no clue. And then I
would go to New York City and try and have
a social life, you know, whenever I had a day off.
It was also tough in that regard to I'd meet,
you know, somebody and immediately say to them, you know, hey,
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do you want to have dinner sometime? And like two tuesdays,
you know, try try that, you know, you know, come
online for size, like, hey, what are you doing two
tuesdays from now?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
What a weirdo? Right?
Speaker 4 (28:40):
But that's you know, that's when my next day off
was f me. So like that that was my my
life in terms of not knowing who's listening, not knowing
who's out there, unable to get myself in some sort
of social mix, get some sort of thing going that
I could have a social life outside of work. I'm
not complaining, you know, but that was you asked me
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what my life was like?
Speaker 2 (29:03):
What did you tell though, for the first time that
it had had blown up?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I don't know. It really wasn't a moment it was
like TRL.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
It might have It might have been like it an
Espi's you know, sp awards. When I finally they put
Stuart and I up you know, we replaced Dan Patrick
and Keith Oberman as the guys who did the pre
award pre sp Awards show from the balcony of Radio
City Music Hall. Dan and Keith always said that they
they were like the old man muppets Stadler and Waldorf
(29:31):
sitting up there in the balcony. And then Stuart and
I did it for a couple of years, and then
getting out and about and then you know, meeting some
celebrities who knew who we were like that, that was
kind of blowing me away. I just assumed I had
no idea who was watching at all. And now I
hear I am, you know, in twenty twenty four running
into people who now have children saying that when they
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were kids, I would be the ones to either put
them to sleep if they were you know and teenage
years on the West Coast, or kids going to school
waking them up like that's that was my life in sports.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
What became more romantic too as you got more involved,
and what became less meaning I still love the Cubs,
but I went we worked up with the Cardinals. Yeah,
and I didn't hate the Cardinals. Where me before I
got or music right, like I can also see kind
of the gross things about music, but I can also
see now when somebody's really good, like it's even that
much cooler to me, Like what wasn't as cool about
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sports and what became even cooler.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
I'll be honest with the Bobby, I'm just not jaded
the fact that you know, again, like you were there
working with my guys at the show, right, you worked
with the team there. Sometimes we're sitting there hour before
a show just talking about any old stupid shit, you know,
and like talking about this movie, that thing, this thing,
and then we're like, you know what, let's do a
segment about that movie or this thing or in relation
(30:53):
to whatever. And then you know, a couple times I'll
just sit around and I'll say to everybody, like, can
you believe this is what we do? Honestly, Like, I'm
not jaded about it. You know, there's things about the
sports business that you know will make you sick or
your stomach or you know this about somebody or know
that about somebody. But that's just anything with any business.
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But uh, truly, it's the toy department of life being
able to talk sports, and I just, you know, I
hope that's the way it will always be.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Do you ever want to not fly too close to
the sun with your favorite teams?
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Meaning? What what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
My example now is I have purposefully not pursued a
relationship with John caliparid Arkansas. I am diehard razorback fan
in every way. I'm afraid if I don't like somebody,
it's going to affect how hard I root for that team. Yeah,
so everyone says, by all accounts, he's awesome. I don't
want to not like any part of that because then
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it takes away like what I love to do most,
which is root for Arkansas sports.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Well, let's put it this way, Bobby, you should reach out.
You'll be good.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
But I'm asked he's gonna be fine, but would like
to and like.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Listen, uh, you know, in terms of flying too close
like this, this this particular year with the Jets, is
I'm backing off for sure, because at this point in time,
I'm slated to call a Week five game with them
in London. And the last thing I want to do
is that anybody think that I'm being biased against the
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Vikings who they're playing against at all. And and and
but if anybody who knows me for real, and I'm
I'm not shitting you here at all. If they know
me for real that I if I'm calling a game,
I would not care who wins at all. I just
want it to be a close game.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
But if you don't, and I'm not saying any of
the coaches, but over your history of being a Jets fan,
if you don't like, if you really don't.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Like, you're still ruin the rooting interest.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
So yeah, I guess if you keep your distance, that
makes complete sense that you don't want it ruined, you know,
in that regard. But after a while also, you know, listen,
the only teams, truly, the only teams that affect my
emotional output. And this is for real where I will
just say why am I happier today?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Oh that's right, they won? Or why am I less
happy today? Oh? They lost?
Speaker 4 (33:11):
And I should be a better human being, you know,
to myself and everyone around me. Are are the Michigan
Wolverine football team and the New York Yankees.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
That's it. That's the list. If the Jets.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Lose, you know, it'll be like, well that's a bummer,
but you know, okay, but those are truly the only
two teams that affect my emotions?
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Did you ever meet Connor Stallion's I did not.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
I did not mean you like, Oh no, I just
but but man, he gave me some great seats ones.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Have. You don't want to meet him? Would I want
to meet him?
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I would want to meet him if you why if
he was doing he had a manifesto where nobody got
hurt or died or anything.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
I understand that for but he was so he'd be
my hero. He was so piss poor at it that
you know they've that's true. You know if I met him,
i'd say, why were you? That's sloppy, man, I don't know.
Just let me just say this to you. Okay, you're
referring to the guy who gave out tickets to people
so they could sit in a geographically advantageous spots to
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record the opposition sidelines of teams that Michigan was going
to play against the rules of NCAA scouting.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
So I'll just repeat again, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
If my hero, though, if I were you, I would
love the guy. No, I'm sure he did it right
for a long time.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
No, but no, no, no, no, because I don't think
he did it right.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
You know what I mean. Let me ask you this question.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
How many times have you been on vacation with your
lovely wife or anybody else and you hand them somebody
of phone saying would you mind taking a picture?
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Have you done that before? Okay?
Speaker 4 (34:45):
How many times do you get the phone back and
the photograph is more of the sky than of you?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
It's terrible. Oka.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
So Connor Stallions is giving tickets to a bunch of
people to say, shoot video for me. How often do
you think the video came back on unusable?
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Like most of the time. Okay.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
So it's what I'm saying is like everybody thinks that
this thing was run to perfection. Okay, the scenes, I
don't think that, and the videos the videos were I'm
not even.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Talking about the allegations.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
I'm talking about he loved him like you did.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I gave his whole he wrote it. But I would
never cheat on behalf of my team.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
I'm not even talking about that.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
You're awfully sensitive.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I'm just talking about you generally, Like this guy was awesome.
If there was anybody that would put his heart and
soul into Arkansas like that, I low key would be like,
keep your head up, buddy.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
No man, let's go.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
I would choose a different adjective for him than awesome.
I would say, I would say publicly privately, I'll tell
it to you privately.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
But you never met up. See. I would have him,
would be my dude, Absolutely not. I want I would
do him. I would do that. I would like him
to leave the scene and never to return.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
What about the documentary coming out?
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I don't want to see it. Man. I think I
like him more than you do. Yeah, I know, tell him,
tell him I said to fuck off? Is it wrong
to say no? Not at all? Were you in Harbaugh close? Cool?
I love him.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
He's my first quarterback when I was a freshman. He
was a senior, So he was my first Michigan quarterback ever.
He was just part of my latest charity run for
Saint Jude, which you know about that charity very well.
And and and.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
So he's just I love him.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
And everybody's like wondering, you know, you upset that he
left Michigan to go to the Chargers. And my answer
to that, and I'll repeat it here again, is there's
a man made lake outside of Sofi Stadium. I think
he walked on it to sign his contract. I do
not care. He hung the banner, he left. He gave
me one of the greatest years of my life, not
just sports, it was my life.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
And so good luck to him. We're gonna see him Wednesday.
We're gonna go. Are you really had?
Speaker 2 (36:51):
The Chargers invited us to come out cool, so you're
going to be. We're gonna We're gonna be there flying
in Wednesday afternoon with them. And I have to go
speak on Thursday in San Diego. But they were like,
come out, So we're gonna go.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Because you know, my show studio is two minutes away
from their facility, literally a left and the right.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
I've been to your show studio. I didn't.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
I didn't know where they just they just opened it
a month ago. So that's true.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
If you've got time, come back.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
You'll you'll be I don't know. I would like to
see the guy. My wife was like, oh, you're going
to see Rich again?
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yeah? Today, And I was like no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
When you were coming to the house, I was like,
how long's it beench you've seen Rich And I was
like never, Yeah, we've never met. She goes, wait, what
I said, I've spoke to him on the poked him
on the phone. Did you call me very graciously before
I went and or I precovered for you? And then
we've spoken on zoom. But any time that I would
be there or when I did your show, you weren't there.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
I know. That's that's the point. That's the point. And
I was like, I've never met him. Second were sitting
in that I have to be out for you to
sit in? Yes, but I love you.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Your guys were so freaking warm, and you told me
and we we have a text Stedd.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
We just talk about you the whole time. It's just
me and all the guys. I don't know if I
want to see that, but.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
They were super nice, like, oh cool and accommodating and warm.
Your studio is massive, it's fun. It's like a it's
a rent on that plate. It's filled with.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Stuff in there that is under the category from my
wife of you know where that would look better? Yeah,
you know, And I'm like, where like your studio?
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Oh got it? I have again.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
I just walked through your finally beautifully appointed house to
come here, and I thought the question I always ask
a bunch of guys is how much of the stuff
in the house is what you brought to the relationship zero. Well,
I saw some guitars on the wall, so.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
So those were in for a while. They weren't making
the cut.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
But there's a it's a little sliver where there's like
a what's that game call where you slide it?
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Oh the oh yeah, the get sure, the with the
sawdust on? Yeah, okay, whatever that we have one of
they I saw that, and that's your contribution. It is not.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
But what she what she has done which makes it cool,
is I have a collectic guitars in a long time,
but I used to, but now I'll have I have
some old ones from artists like Kenny Rodgers or who
have like signed guitars. Garth Brooks gave me, like his
guitar he played one one night or one day. But
now what my wife has done, she's like, well, you
have all these guitars. We don't want to pay for
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a storage unit. So now we put empty ones up
and some of our friends will come to the house
and we'll have an evening and she'll have them signed
guitars and hang them up.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
I know, like she elevates it. Well, what she.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Does is she takes your stuff and turns it from
the This is what this is what a great stylish
would do is to take your shit and turn it
from shit into a piece.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Pola states heard you know what I'm saying. My Grandma's
that could not be done. It's now a piece, you
know what I mean? Like, that's now a piece on
the wall. It's not your ship on the wall, it's
your it's a piece that's on the wall. So kudos
to you and your stylish wife and your relationship.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
I have in my house.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
You know, I have an office, so there's stuff that's
in there, and there's stuff that once I put in
the office, it's like, why isn't that on your set?
I'll get that question, which is a hint to take
it again. I've been you know, I've been happily married
for twenty one years now and then and then there
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is one chair in my house that I brought to
the relationship one but I bought it with her mom
years ago. So it's kind of got like an asterisk
kind of hybrid. But it's my chair. It's what it
used to be in my apartment and it's still there.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
How does the relationship work with both of you being
in mostly the same industry.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
It's great.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
I mean, we have a production company together. She is
the most collaborative and idea filled uh confidant, and she
also fills in so she got her own best mom
ever signed because I have my best dad ever signed
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on my desk. And and she just brings a totally
different part of the equation. I kind of dig that that,
you know, that my when I'm not in the chair,
she is and there's still you know, a family sense there,
you know. And then sometimes she'll give opinions that I'm
not terribly into, but she, you know, she understands that
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she isn't bad a thousand you know, I shouldn't say
that stuff.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Can we cut this part out? Just kidding?
Speaker 2 (41:44):
A couple weeks ago, her and her partner on What's
the Football? Yeah, I listened to your show almost every day,
Thanks Palm. So I appreciate that. Yeah, that's a great show.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Thanks.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
So is that under your network? It is under a
podcast network. They're having a year two come out starting
in September, And I you know, Amy Trask is a legend.
I mean, she has Hall of Fame credentials from her
time with the Raiders, figuratively and quite literally, I think
she should be in the Hall of Fame. And she
and Susie when we've been out to dinner with husbands
and friends and hit it off, and I think we're
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going to actually legitimately add red Wine to the equation
this fall, because the two of them are better when
they've got a glass in their hand and just chop
it up. And that's the idea, you know, is to
have you know, content that is of interest and and
that you can't get anywhere else.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Obviously, that's that's the way to go.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
But Susie's filled with ideas and filled with energy and
filled with with with just her own sensibility. Like she
did a power ranking the other day of her power
rankings of pet peeves, three of which I could identify, uh,
emanating from my behavior.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Heavily influenced by Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Especially the leaving clothes in front of the hamper not
in them, Like that one.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Really hit home.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
But that's I kind of dig putting that out there,
you know, like that's that's life, that's relatable, that's what
people do and and healthy relationships can survive.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
What is your power ranking of favorite musical artists of
all time?
Speaker 1 (43:25):
To you?
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Oh God give me, give me five, give me go
one through five.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
It be hard to do it backward, okay. One, m.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
It's a toss up. One is a toss up between uh.
Because I listened to these guys since I was a kid. Billy,
Joel and Elton John would be one and two depends
on a day. Coldplay three you got to put the
Beatles on that list, And I know I'm dating myself,
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but I am who I am.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Bobby Bones five. I love the Killers.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
I love the Killers, and obviously Michigan adopting mister Brightside
is another aspect of that. John Mayer, John Legend could
make this list. So yeah, that's my power rankings.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
LASTKA concert you've been to?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
Oh, I was at Bruce Springsteen again, being from Staten Island,
I'm I guess I should have put Bruce on the list.
But my wife's a bigger Bruce fan than I am.
Her brother is just a Bruce nut. So there was that.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
In the uh in the forum.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Coldplay at the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
I like Emo coleplay way more than Anthemic coleplay.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
I love Coldplay, sure.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I like the sad, slow stuff more than the get
in all the synth.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
I got it, I understand it.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
But in in terms of just a a big stadium band,
I mean, Chris Martin just attaches himself to your heartbeat.
It's I've never seen anything like it. I did see
you two in the sphere. Holy shit, that's the sphere
I've never seen.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
I mean, I've seen clips.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
I mean, it truly is one of those things that
you cannot believe until you see it. I mean when
you walk into the sphere and for the first time
and I saw on the wall these cinder blocks, these large,
huge cinder blocks, and I thought to myself, with these
two dots, each one of these monster sort of cinder blocks,
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one on top of the other, all the way up
to the ceiling, to the roof, and at one point
in the roof you would see these helicopters flying overhead.
And it gave you an idea, Oh, okay, certainly the
hole in the sphere, there's no hole in the sphere,
and that's not seeing through that that is part of
the visual illusion. But had and I thought that the
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cinder blocks are made of something that you can cast
these visuals on. Until the concert started and the cinder
blocks separated and bright light was shining through it, and
I realized that the light was an image, and so
are the cinder blocks. This entire time, I was sitting
there in the hour before the concert, and my mind
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was blown. And not only can they put anything on there,
they can also change the depth perception. At one point
it felt like the ceiling was collapsing on you and all.
I kept thinking to myself whenever I watch anybody with
Dead and Company, that if the drugs are bad, you
were going to have a long ass night, man, Like
that is really a wild place to see.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
You could see anything in there. They had the NHL
draft in there recently that looked amazing. I can't you know.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
And this is how great this fear is, and that
I would recommend anybody go to it, even though it's
owned by the owner of the Knicks, James Dolan, who
I otherwise have nothing but the greatest of contempt for.
And I would say, fill his money with fill his
pocket with your money. Do you wish that's how good
the sphere? You wish you would sell the team? Oh
my god, have you wished that for?
Speaker 2 (47:14):
Well?
Speaker 1 (47:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (47:14):
I mean the last couple of years things have turned.
So I'll accept the currents.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Like, do you give the you give him Jalen Brunton credit.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
No, I give him credit for hiring the guy who
got Jalen Brunson. Listen, when he threw Charles Oakley and
or Charles Oakley got thrown in jail and uh left overnight.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
That that tour it for me. Do you think Bill
Parcells should be in the Hall of Fame? He is
in the whole Fame.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Do you think he should be in the Whole of Fame?
I do think he should be there. Yeah, yeah, I
know he's amp, But do you think he should be?
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Yes? I do? Okay, what about Robert Kraft?
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Yes, absolutely, I asked that because of the controversies. Sure,
the documentary that just came out.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
Yeah, but I mean, listen, as much as you might
feel about deflate Gate and Spygate, you know, personally, I
think Spygate's worse than the flake gate. Don't forget about
the flake gate. That the ball that was confiscated and
sent to the NFL and that sparked the controversy was
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an intercepted football. So if it was supposed to help,
why would Brady throw an interception with it? So I'm
saying like it's it's not cookie cutter where one size
fits all. All right, So there's that, But you still,
despite the spygate and despite the Deflake Gate, you cannot
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deny the greatness of what they did for all those
years and deny and think that's that was what made
Belichick and Brady and the rest of that roster as
great as possible and the organization as sterling as it's
been otherwise.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
So I mean, Robert Craft is at the head of that.
So for the record, I agree.
Speaker 4 (48:49):
Plus he was also very instrumental in the advent of
NFL Network as well as bridging the gap in the lockout,
so I think he.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
Deserves credit for that too. Eli Manning, I think he's
in the Hall of Fame. He should be. That's next year.
You can now be yeah, he's now next guy. He's
first time eligible next year, and I think you should go,
what about a guy like Jared Allen.
Speaker 4 (49:14):
He's he's out there for sure in terms of sacks
and in terms of what he did when he was there.
And I think if you put folks like Patrick Willis in,
and you put folks who had a terrific run in
a career, that didn't you know, wasn't ring heavy and
wasn't you know, for the exception of three years of
for Patrick Willis, eight years, wasn't all that great that
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It's just that unfortunately it's only seven guys can get
in a year, and there's fifty three guys on a roster.
There will always be guys waiting, always be guys waiting.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
I made a list of the people, but because Eli
was one, but Jared Allen's always been one to me
that I thought, Man, he's such right on that line.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
I think so too.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
And if it hadn't been for the Vikings actually being
the Vikings, if he'd have been on a different team,
possibly he'd be easier. So here are some of the
guys that are up next year. Yeah, Luke Keiley, Yes,
he was so freaking good. Yea, he was so good.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
It will be. I don't know if he's the first ballot,
but he will be. Earl Thomas.
Speaker 4 (50:19):
I don't know about that. I don't know if Earl's
gonna make it. Marshaan, I think so. But running backs
a real tough one because Frank Gore is going to
be up soon.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
Too, and so you know, do you think it helps
Marshaw on his personality since he's out of the league,
can not afford.
Speaker 4 (50:36):
Sure, of course it can because these are human beings
that vote, and there you know you might. But Marshawn again,
I think Frank Gore has I shouldn't speak these things
without an Internet in front of me, But I think
Frank has better statistics, more longevity. But Marshawn has moments
that that pop out more than Frank Gore.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Vinitarry right, oh like easily doubt he might be a
first ballot.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Clay Matthews, I don't think, so stay for sure. At
some point I think he'll get in.
Speaker 4 (51:08):
But you also again, don't forget you guys got like
Tory Holt should be a Hall of Famer, he's not in.
I think Jim Plunkett should be a Hall of Famer,
but Jim's from a different category that there are veterans
committees that will put people in. So again, when you're
a receiver, when you're a defensive lineman, running back, quarterback,
those are guys that you have the longest line I think,
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and tackles guards, defensive tackles, pardon me. Linebackers usually have
to wait the longest corners, because if you're not first ballot,
you're going to be on that line waiting to jump
past any of the skilled so called skilled position players.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Three final things I want to talk about. Sure, Dak,
what's happening?
Speaker 4 (51:53):
Great question. He's got all the cards, he's got all
the leverage. As of this conversation. He is unsigned past
this year. He cannot be franchise tagged, and he cannot
be traded. So he's the Dallas Cowboys quarterback this year,
and he's going to make a killing. He's going to
make an absolute killing. Depending on whether he gets it
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from Dallas now or he gets bestowed a free agent
contract from somebody that's willing to give him sixty million
a year, he's going to get it.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
None of those guys have quite hit sixty yet, right,
but Jordan Love two fifty five.
Speaker 4 (52:25):
We're currently at fifty five. And if Dak goes this year,
I think that may be the push pull. Like he's
probably saying, I want something for start to a six.
Dallas may be responding, listen, we've got to pay CD,
we've got to pay Micah.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
We need you to take less.
Speaker 4 (52:41):
And what about that period you know that range of
money between fifty five and sixty. Can we find a
sweet spot there? I'm guessing that might be the push
pull right now. But if it's not Dak getting sixty,
it'll be pretty next year.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Really, hellya, absolutely? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (53:00):
Trevor Lawrence got fifty five, Tua got fifty three point one,
Jordan Love got fifty five. Rock Perdy has If you
add up Jordan Love's, Jordan Love, Trevor Lawrence, and Tua's
career playoff wins, Perty has more, and he probably will
even separate himself even more in terms of playoff wins
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and certainly potentially Super Bowl appearances, if not wins in
that category.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
We'll want the narrative to be what it's always been
with Perty. We'll look at him. He's got Debo, he's
got McCaffrey, he's got Brandon I, and we really need
to pay him sixty million dollars. And I'm not saying
that this the narrative is correct, but obviously when you're
the last person picked.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
Yeah, that's the reason why correct. Don't forget Brady probably
had that for the first couple of years of his
career too. He's on a super team. It was Bill
not Brady, But Brady, they won a super Bowl, he
won three, he won three out of four.
Speaker 4 (53:55):
I understand. We'll see what Purty does. But I think
he's going to get that money.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Wow. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
If he's the first sixty million guy, a lot of
people I would love it.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
I think it.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
You know the fact that Trey Lance wasn't the guy
that came out of that and party.
Speaker 4 (54:09):
Was Oh yeah, I mean on behalf of guys who
looked like they're still in high school. I think he
with you. I think he would represent people like you
very well.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
The second thing I want to mention, you know what
I shouldn't brought him Conors Stallions.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
I apologize. Don't worry about. No, No, I don't worry. I
would have loved to have one of those guys well
on behalf.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
I think I would have been that guy on behalf.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
Of Michigan fans everywhere.
Speaker 4 (54:29):
You don't want to Connor Stallions in Arkansas just just
Pig Suey without him.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
Brother, you know Cal, if you met Cal, I have
met him. Yeah, I think you'd love him.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
Don't worry about I signed up for a fantasy camp. Okay,
and like five weeks thirty and up with cal And
there's like forty adult men that go play basketball for two.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
Days and I don't know, I'm gonna probably tear every.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
You're gonna love him, yeah, but I'm gonna go play.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
You'll love him. I don't even play basketball.
Speaker 4 (54:53):
Oh okay, Well then then you know we'll find out
how many minutes he gives you.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
But I will, but I will go hard. The greatest
sports achievement for me personally, Yeah, for you.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
You mean that I've not watched your highlight of your
sports life.
Speaker 4 (55:08):
Meaning that you've played that I've actually conducted that you
have breaking six seconds in my.
Speaker 1 (55:14):
Forty yard dish? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 4 (55:17):
Even better other than that was not getting picked last
in gym and junior year of high school that one time.
I'm just kidding No, I mean I realized early on Bobby,
I couldn't hit the curve, couldn't make the jump shot,
and I needed to talk a.
Speaker 1 (55:30):
Good game in order to get to a certain level.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
You know, was there a decision, final question, a decision
you made that looking back, you're really glad you made
a career wise, but was really tough then in it
really it dictated a lot of where your career went.
Speaker 4 (55:45):
Oh God, yeah, I mean I had many of those
moments man cross roads type moments, cross road moment. The
first crossroad moment was working for the hometown newspaper, the
Staten Island Advance or the Advances we would refer to
it in Staten Island and it was covering on the
cops feat and I was following ambulances because I didn't
know what the hell I was doing, and I pulled
(56:06):
off the side of the road. I'm like, there's no
other way to parse what I'm doing right now other
than ambulance chasing.
Speaker 1 (56:10):
I need to do something about it.
Speaker 4 (56:12):
And I went back to grad school to Northwestern, a
deal school of journalism. That was a big moment for me,
getting my first job and reading California and throwing myself
deep into it was another job like that moment moment.
Now the crossroads was just saying, screw it, I'll just
send my tape to a headhunter. Sent it to three
different headhunters and one of them showed my tape to ESPN.
(56:34):
I got hired by ESPN through there, and another one
was standing my ground with ESPN about what I wanted
to do for them, which led to me getting handed
a cardboard box and an opportunity with NFL Network and
choosing them when I had a couple of options at
the time, doing that, and then deciding that I wanted
(56:55):
to not just rest on what I was doing for
NFL Network, start a podcast, which led to my current
show every Day, and just believing in that I that
there's more that I can do than whatever I was
supposedly considered by management to be too important and good
at what I was doing, to try and keep on
looking at everything else and try and be ahead of
(57:15):
the curve doing a podcast before many people did one,
and go to streaming before anybody considered that is a
viable option like that, that was Those are all those moments.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
Well, I'm want to encourage everybody to stream your podcast.
Speaker 1 (57:28):
That's how I listen every day. Thanks brother.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
I don't only do anything live anymore, Like do you
consume anything live?
Speaker 1 (57:34):
Accept sports?
Speaker 4 (57:35):
Sports is pretty much it? Yeah, man, Yeah, that's a
that's about it. I mean Saturday Night Live, I watch
on clips? What else I mean, yeah, I mean even
like about it. Television shows, it's all on demand at
this point. Yeah, I didn't even think I have cable anymore. Well,
that's good because get Roku. I do have, Chiz, I
(57:55):
do have.
Speaker 2 (57:56):
I'm a big fan. I really appreciate you making all
the time for us here anytime, Mike anything.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
What was the last good movie you saw?
Speaker 4 (58:02):
Last good movie I saw in the theater anywhere anywhere
that I've never seen before?
Speaker 1 (58:08):
Yeah, New One.
Speaker 4 (58:09):
Huh, that's a good question. Last good movie, man, I don't.
I don't know. I liked American Fiction this year. I
like that a lot. I'm a big Jeffrey Wright fan,
so I'll go with that one.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
That's a good movie where he writes that book kind
of as a joke and then gets really famous from it.
And he'd been doing serious stuff before then and it
hadn't worked out, but then when he yeah, it's a
good movie.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
Kevin, anything real quick?
Speaker 2 (58:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (58:38):
I often say that you're like Jim nance when you
do the draft. Hello, I watched the draft and I'm like, Oh,
this is like Jim Nanster and the Masters.
Speaker 1 (58:45):
All right, where do you put that draft? Like work
in the draft weekend? For you?
Speaker 4 (58:48):
Oh, it's the hardest thing I do, No, without a doubt,
because it's long, it's live, the clock's moving. You gotta
not only know what's going on on the clock, you
got to know who's next. You got to know what's
happening after that. You got to know what the narratives
are going in, how they're playing out or not playing out.
When it's live in the first round and then the
second and third rounds, you got to treat that like
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it's the first round, and sometimes it can get a
little slow there, and then the last day is just comedy.
Speaker 1 (59:15):
Just like, let's just go.
Speaker 4 (59:16):
There's a lot of time if you're watching between rounds
four and seven, you need to be entertained as much
as possible. So there's different vibes every night. But it
is like, when I'm done with it, it is. It
is demanding. It is the most mentally demanding thing that
I do. But I love it.
Speaker 2 (59:29):
Yeah, your car is here. I've just been told fantastic,
so perfect time.
Speaker 4 (59:33):
Yeah, my flight's taken off in an hour and fifteen
and my TSA pre.
Speaker 2 (59:36):
Ran out, plenty of time, no problem, naked, I feel
the naked rich. Thanks for coming mine and really appreciate it.
It's a podcast called twenty five Wists stuck in fun
Bow and they are were a whizz. So yeah, it's
too bad, But what did you expect?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's a podcast called twenty five Whist twenty wine. Everybody,
welcome to the show. We're gonna do an hour with
Rich Eisen Rich a legend if you watch Sports Center
back when Sports Center was actually watched. I don't watch
Sports Center anymore.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Do you no? But his day is absolutely yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I mean definitely the way you could even get scores, Yeah,
and it would come on all the time. I guess
now I watch TikTok or Instagram, yeah, or I just
search for it.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah. Are there any famous anchors even now? Now?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Obviously the medium has changed, right, We're not saying they're
worse today they were than they were then.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
But I don't know any of the sports guys. No.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I feel like every time I do watch it, it's
somebody different, so I can't like relate or know any.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Rich wildly famous for Sports Center back in the day
NFL network. He has his own The Rich eisen Show now,
which is on the Roku channel from twelve to three
Eastern every weekday.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
And I've spoken to Rich on the phone.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
He called before I filled in for him the last time,
and he was like, hey, I always want you to
know and I was like, this is crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I'm talking to Rich Eisen.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
We interviewed him on this show but on zoom from
his studio, and I was like, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
That's Rich Eisen. But I never met him in person.
And I think I mentioned this.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
My wife was like, oh, you're going to see Rich
Eisen again. I was like, I never met him. She
was like, can you go. I was like yeah, but
I went because he wasn't there, you know, filled in,
But I loved him. Rich is a legend in the
sports broadcasting world ESPN from back in Sports Center days,
NFL Network since two thousand and three, multiple movies, has
done at all. You can follow him on Twitter and
Instagram at Rich Eisen and Rich Eisen Show.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
And I think we just get to it.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Anything I'm missing here.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
No, this is awesome, Jack. Was it cool for you?
It was? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I mean yeah, he's a pinnacle for me personally of
like a sports broadcasting guy that I grew up watching.
He talks about a little bit going to bed and
waking up and seeing him every day.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
That was me on the West coast, falling asleep every day,
then waking up with the rich, then waking up with
the rich both. Let's say, all right, here he is,
this is Rich eisen Rich. Thanks for coming over. You
got it, Bobby.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I was watching on I guess Instagram all all the
things you were doing the Hall of Fame last couple
of nights.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yes, sir, you got to be exhausted.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
No, I'm I'm I'm invigorated, brother, like this is.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
But do you go to work tomorrow? Will you do
the show tomorrow?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I'm gonna do the show tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yeah, flying back to La tonight as soon as I'm
done with you got a flight?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Did you at least fly private from Canton to here?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
No?
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Well, yes, private is known as business select.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, you know so, but that was Cleveland to hear
and so. But you know, I do love.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Going to the Hall of Fame is something I've done
almost as much as anything else that I've done with
NFL Network. And it's the only Hall of Fame where
it kicks off a season. Everybody else's Hall of Fame
is usually mid season or total off season. Like this
is the signal, the signal that it's back, so that
it's always neat to celebrate the pass as you're about
(03:15):
to kick off the present. It's a really neat affair.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
You spend a time with Devin Hester, I did. Yeah,
I think I would like him. You would, I think
you sure would. And I think at this point now
I can kind of tell somebody's personality. Yeah, social media
kind of allows that.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Now. I think I would like Devin Hester. What's that
guy like?
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I mean, you know, I've known of him for quite
some time, working with Dion Sanders, who took him in
because Devin didn't have a dad. I believe his dad
died when he was eleven, so Dion was kind of
his father figure. So to see Dion there for the
jacket presentation, to be the one to put it on
him was a pretty neat moment for both guys. He's
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he's considered a Devon a son for a long time.
I was there on a Thursday night football game in
Atlanta when he broke Dion's record for returns with Dion
there underneath Dion's banner in Dion's house that he built
the Georgia Dome, And it's pretty amazing that I think
(04:16):
The thing that makes him particularly special is that. Listen,
the thing you love in sports the most is when
the expectation level is not just met, but surpassed. And
anytime he touched the ball, you expected something special to
happen with him. And the number of times that he
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did it when it was expected of him on the
biggest stages like the Super Bowl or a Thursday night
game with Dion in the house.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
The fact that he.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Got an opportunity to return one and then he did
it is what makes him a Hall of Famer. And
those are the most special moments in sports where you're like, boy,
this guy hits a home run.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Boy, I hope he returns one.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Boy, I'd love to see, you know, him win a
game with a three point shot. And they've the sports
gods bestow them with the opportunity and then they cash
it in. It. It really is something else to see,
and he's he's really special in that regard.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
How did you and Dion become close?
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Well, I mean we worked together so and that was
that was about it. We started working together at NFL
Network in the mid aughts, and you know when when
Dion joins, obviously there's a buzz and there's an excitement
level because of what he brings to the table. But
(05:33):
there's also, and he'll tell you this, an expectation that
he makes it about him because he's prime time and
and and and he is somebody that invites the spotlight.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
He doesn't just basket it. He invites it.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
So anybody who's worked with him or was a teammate
of his will we'll let you know. He's the most collaborative,
best teammate that you can have. And begun when the
highlights show that we were doing together from jump when
he joined NFL Network NFL Game Day Highlights, which was
the highlights show after the late afternoon games were over
(06:13):
in advance of Sunday Night Football, and then after Sunday
Night Football, it was me, Dion and Steve Mariucci and
Steve was kind of new to television, and so they
put Dion in the middle and Steve at the end
of the set. And Dion said, first thing, he goes,
let's not have Steve on the outside. Let's have him
(06:34):
in the middle, because you know, if I'm in the
middle and I'm talking to Rich, it's.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
You know, Steve will be forgotten.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
He's going to be out there on on his own,
and I was totally blown away by that. He was awesome.
He was always thinking about other people. I had a
fortieth birthday party. He surprised me by flying in from
Texas just for it. He's the best man and I've
just him and he was given out the first Thursday
(07:02):
Night season. He was always telling much that his shoes stunk,
so he was going to get Gucci's for his Mucci
and he got him Gucci shoes, and then he asked.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Everybody for their sizes.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Didn't want to leave anybody out, so we all got
Gucci slipped you know, we all got these awesome Gucci
slip on shoes. I could tell deonn stories for days.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I think it was about twenty seventeen. ABC called and
I've done a little work with them. This is pre Idol,
before I was on Idol for a bunch of years
and Dancing with the Stars. Yes, and they kind of
just flirted with putting me on because it wasn't like
coastal guy. You know, I didn't live in LA, didn't live.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
In New York.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
And they were like, hey, come out and test for
this daytime talk show.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
And I was like Oh cool, that's great.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I've done a lot of tests, and I get there
and you've actually been famous for a long time. I've
only ever flirted with like the crust of the water, right,
you know. So I'm up and it's like me and
I'm doing all these panels with like Rudy Huxtable and
fueling in or Ransick and like house the eighth Housewife
of these shows. And so I make it through that day,
(08:12):
and so I really didn't know what I was doing
even going out there meeting. I didn't know it was
going to be like can you survive day one to
get to day too? So then I'm in like day
two with like slightly more famous people.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
So now it's like theo Huxtable and then it's.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Like this, you upgraded the fifth Housewife.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
So I continue to move through and there are actually
like famous people that are testing for the show on
the very last day, and it's a little intimidating for me,
and everybody's in their clicks in the.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Very Hollywood way.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
And so I'm just sitting at this cafeteria in this
cafeteriity table by myself, and somebody goes, hey, you can
come sit over here. And I looked up and it
was freaking Deon Sanders, who I'd never met. He didn't
know me, but he just saw me sitting by myself.
Now I'm an adult man at this point too, It's
not like I'm a twelve year old kid. But it
was that four Gump moment where you know, can't see
(09:01):
he seats taken. What really felt like that? And so
he invited me over and I talked with him for
a while, and then we worked together because him and I,
it was him and I that ABC picked to the show.
We worked there every day for four months. What And
I tell people like, he was like the greatest I'll
look out for you dude.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
That I've ever worked with.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, right when he was coaching his kids in high
school at the time, should Or he was the high
school coach down in Texas, and he fled back and
forth and Tracy would come.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
For his truth.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, And so we did the show for ABC. They
changed their kind of executive hierarchy, and the show went
to pilot and then it did not get picked up.
And so we went from working together every day for
four months to not at all. But I kid you not,
he would just reach out randomly, and I would be
amazed that somebody so world renowned, excellent at what he does,
(09:51):
regardless of what area he was in, would actually think
to remember and care. And so then when he got
the job at Jackson State, I reached out super cool
Colorad and the perception I think that people have of him,
and I don't think it's unfair because I think he
does it.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
He knows what he's great and invites, Yes, he invites it.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
But I would be like his biggest and he didn't
need an advocate of like, he's the greatest dude ever.
And one of my books come out, he took a
picture and posted on social media from reading the book
with the cover up. Didn't ask him, And I just
remember Dian being so cool. So when he comes on
your show, I'm always like, man, that is you know,
it's so cool. Is he somebody else like yourself who
loves Dion? I do who had that relationship on a
(10:31):
personal basis because he was so cool to me when
he didn't have to be.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
It's just he is you.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
He's just truly the one of the coolest guys you
can ever meet. And I'll just I'll never forget we
were going to the Pro Bowl practice one year, the
first year it was taken out of Hawaii and it
was put in South Florida. And so we're driving by
(10:58):
a baseball in Fort Lauderdale and on the way to
the practice, and he goes, I.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Think I've been here before. I got this feeling I've
been here before.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
I'm like, yeah, Dionne, that that's where you were in
spring training with the Yankees. And you forget, Okay, you
just forget sometimes how much he's lived and how great
he's been at living elite right, and where he is
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a guy who also hosted Saturday Night Live and had
a song must be the Money and could have been
the MVP of a World series and so on and
so on and so on. Easily the most famous guy
I've ever walked through an airport with, hands down, anybody,
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regardless of race, color, cleeds, socio creed, socio economic status,
they all want a piece of him. And I'm you know,
I will always sing deons praises always.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
About five years ago, I redesigned the radio studio to
be more visual. You know, I have cameras in the walls.
I mean I stole the set completely from yours. Before
I'd even ever sat in yours. My dream was to
always be and it shifted a bit without technology has been.
But I always wanted to do a late night talk
show because Letterman was my hero me too. Yeah, he
was like he looked he was irreverend, he was goofy.
I felt like, if that guy can do it, I
(12:26):
have a chance. Sure, And so when I flipped the
radio show into a multimedia show on vol intent's purposes, sure,
I would watch your watch you on social media and
I was just like, I mean, that's the set that
I'd like to have, So I'd like to say that
publicly I stole I stole that from it.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
I'm I'm honored that you would say that or or
think it.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I'm the same way. You know, Letterman was is my guy.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
I mean, like the the comedic axiom of make a joke,
repeat it, then beat it to death.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
That's David Letterman, and I love that. Do you ever
meet him?
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I was on his show once, so that's the only
time I've met him. And trust me, I really wanted
to get on his show. I mean, of all the
of all shows, that's the one and the number of
times that I you know, attempted.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
And had people, you.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Know, reach out was voluminous, and the one year he
accepted was twenty eleven because he was curious as to
because it was during the lockout of the NFL season
of twenty eleven, he was curious how I would host
a draft during a lockout. He was fascinated by that,
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and so that's how I got on. And in my
green room there is the there's the Q cards from it.
I got the Q cards from his introduction of me.
So that's truly one one of my favorite pop culture
items that's hung in the green room of my shop.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
And he's he's the best. He's the absolute best at it.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
And so I always wanted to be, you know, either
a stand up comic or a late.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Night talk show host. Did you ever try comedy?
Speaker 4 (14:19):
And I did try comedy. I tried comedy in stand up.
I did stand up in college, and so yeah, I
did stand up in college.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
And that was.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
The toughest thing I've ever had to do, ever had
to do, is stand up in college. And I loved
it to this point where if I don't get an
immediate feedback from those on the set, I think a
joke is flopped and I'm you know, like even that moment,
I'm looking around to see who's laughing. I'm I'm, I'm
I'm trained for that, and I always will tell anybody
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on a set that I'm on go ahead and laugh.
I don't care if I hear it. You know, ruining
anything you don't have to like, it's not a library.
There should be some energy. Toughest thing I've ever had
to do, loved it, just didn't think I would be
cut out for that life. So getting an opportunity to
be a sportscaster on Sports Center, I kind of had
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that stand up mentality, and then being able to do
the show that I'm doing right now turning ten years
old in October, is it's a blessing that I get
to bring sort of a talk show feel to sports talk,
you know, hybrid it up with a wrap it around
pop culture every single day. Three hours is a long time,
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but that just means I have an opportunity to have
more guests.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, I feel like there's a slightly different version of
you in a timeline that's twenty five years into a
talk show, because you have all the sensibilities of any
of the greats. Thanks that that have done it, meaning
you're quick, you're funny, you're and I say this in
the way because I would get research back from these
networks and they would go, this is on me. So
they would go, you know, you've testedmen like you're just
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good looking enough to where they like you, and you're
not so good looking that the guys don't like you.
I'd be right in that space where it didn't feel
good when they would say it, but they would hire
me for these shows because.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I was like, you're not threatening to anybody.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
You're growling enough, but threatening, And I don't know how
I would test, you know, my my testing on that
front certainly when I was mostly single, when I was
on my Sports Center days and I'd go to a
bar and suddenly a drink would be placed in front
of me that I didn't order, and the bartender would say,
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this has been you know, it's a drink be bought
for you, and I would look up and there would
be like three hot chicks and just the one fat
guy in between him just raising his glass at me,
like you're the man that was.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
That is my point. That anecdote, right, there's exactly what
I'm saying. Yeah, meaning.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
You're super funny, but I think some of your funny
can be lost because you have to talk for so long.
I feel the same way about myself. I've got to
do four or five hours. Yeah, and when you have
to talk that long about things, the really funny things
can get lost because you're having to paint broad stroke.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
You are not wrong, Bobby, And that's why the advent
of and the currency that figuratively not literally, because these
don't really make a lot of money actually revenue wise,
to go deep in the business of it. But the
reels on Instagram, the TikTok world, the shorts on YouTube,
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that you can now pull those moments out of a
four hour conversation and spotlight it in ninety seconds. And
that is the way people consume your world as as
a mainstream.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Way of consuming.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Back when you know, we were kids, it'd be just like,
what do you mean you can just boil down a
three hour show to ninety fun seconds and people will
watch that?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And how will they watch it?
Speaker 4 (18:06):
And how is that even remotely showing off the breadth
of your work. Now, that's the way it works. The
reels Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, shorts, Facebook, shorts. That's the way
a lot of people consume things. And in the past
they'd be like, yeah, but I had so much to
say in the other you know, two hours fifty eight minutes,
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and I'm bad at math, you know, in thirty seconds,
like what about the other ones? But that's now you
can pull those moments out and say, Hey, if you
want to consume all three hours live, you can do that.
If you want to consume all three hours on demand
watching it and also listening to it, you've got that.
But now there's a way to take the best ninety
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seconds to you know, one hundred and twenty seconds and
serve it up to you. And I get so many
people saying, man, love your show on TikTok, and I
don't distribute it live on TikTok, you know, but I'll
take you know. Certainly is as somebody who wouldn't be
associated with being viewable on TikTok, But that's the way
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it is now.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
It does feel weird.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
But then there are shows that I only consume through TikTok,
Like there are podcasts sure that I really only watch
show on TikTok, and I don't even follow them. My
algorithm feeds them to me, but now I expect my
algorithm to feed them to me.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
And if you ask me, do you listen to the
Jovon is an example? Do you listen to the Oovonne?
I know a lot about what he's doing because I
see all his clips on TikTok, and so it is
a different world where I think back to my point
of I think you're at times wildly funny. But it's
hard to find those nuggets if you're listening to a
large sample, because you've got to you got to land
all the planes, you've got guests, you've got to interview.
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But these smaller clip versions allow a different part that
we want to be highlighted to actually be highlighted.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
And I have no problem with it. It's it's it's
really it's a game changer. Where As there would be
a funny moment and a five minute inner you know
clip that we put out there, you know, it's just
not consumable for a lot of demographics, a lot of
age groups, and now you just boil it down to
ninety seconds, two minutes. It's it's a difference maker, certainly
(20:21):
when you're having when you got a talk show, you know,
because there are great moments and then there's also boy
that was great. How you can get in depth? You
got this answer? You got that answer? Well, there's a
podcast for that. There's a twenty minute version of that,
and there's a YouTube version of that. That's the twenty
first century we're in and I'm you know, trying to
figure it out while exploiting it at the same time.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Can you go out and not be recognized now in
la oh?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah? I mean yeah, even famous for so long I
have been, but I'm still an acquired taste Bobby, you know.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
But it's fine. I'm not complaining about anything there, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
A perfect example. He was just yesterday at the Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Some dude stops me and says, rich Eisen, can we
take a picture?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
And I'm like yeah, and he's like, love you man?
This that the other thing?
Speaker 4 (21:13):
And he turns around as I'm leaving, and his wife says,
who's that?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Does it ever happen? Who's that? Like out loud? Yeah,
And I.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Laughed, you know what I mean, Like, I'm just gonna
laugh and not turn around and say what do you like?
It's just there's different, you know, walks of life and
just trying to cross over as much as I possibly
can and get my material out there. But it kind
of just was funny because she knew when she said
that that I could hear that, and I almost turned
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around and told him, like, you know, I can, I
can hear you ask who I am? You know clearly
enough for your husband to stop the conversation with you
on the spot to stop me take a photograph boy,
and have me walk away, but not out of like
or next time you don't know who your husband's stopping
and take a selfie with, can you wait wait till
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you're that person's out of earshot before asking who that
person is?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
You know? But hey, it's all good.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
It's kind of you to, you know, ask that question,
and it's it's all good man. And I don't mind
stopping talking to people, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
It. It doesn't phaze me at all. It's great.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
The weird one for me is if someone comes up
and they say hey, and I feel like people at
times aren't knowing what they're saying.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
They're just trying to fill silent. Can I guess what
it is? I'm sure you can. YEA. Where are you from?
Where do I know you? That happens a lot too,
like like it's now my I like what am I good? Personal? Google?
Am I like your your AI assistant here?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
That's not even the most cutting though that if that happens,
that's a nice one, okay, the one that cuts me
the most. I'll come up and go, hey, do you
mind if I get a picture? And I'm like, no, not
at all. They go, I don't even know who you
are is a huge fan or my aunt's. And I
think to myself, you don't have to say you.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Don't know who I am.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
You can just say can I take a picture? And
then do then disperse with the picture however you'd like.
But they'll come up and go, hey, do you mind
if I get a picture?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I'm of course not. Why would I care?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
To be honest, I don't know who you are? But
you know my aunt.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Will love this.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, And I'm like, there's no I didn't feel like
there was a need to say you.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Didn't know who I was. I have no idea who
you are. Yeah, right.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
My favorite moment was this happened with Stuart once Stuart Scott,
where somebody came up and these were the old days
where there were no camera phones. Okay, like the actual
funk an actual real camera.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I'm standing here with him.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
He says, would you Somebody went up to Stewart and
said would you mind taking a picture? He goes, absolutely not,
and they handed him the camera to take a picture
of me with that person. And it was like, Stuart
thought I had put this person up to that, but
it was not at all.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
And it was awesome.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
That to the point where I would then in future
times ask people to do that to work, and then
he would ask people to do that to me like
so anytime, which is a problem because now we're being
skeptical of people asking what you mind if you took.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
A picture, You've planted the seed of doubt at all times. Oh,
but it was great.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
He handed the camera to Stewart and Stewart's like, oh, okay,
took the picture.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Oh my god, that was awesome.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Was that the All Star Game this year? Another one
is someone had recognized me from something and I was like,
take a picture of sure love, let's take a picture
someone else. Camp I goes, hey, can I get one?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah? Sure, take one? Who are you again?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I just saw them taking a picture with you.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Got that?
Speaker 4 (24:38):
And again, yeah, I'm like, here, I should have you
know what you and I should have folded up in
our wallets.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
If you still have, you're way more famous than I am.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Like we should we should have like our resumes folded up,
Like here you go. I just put a code unfolded
and say, this is my resume, this is who I am.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
One of those menus shot with COVID you put, you know,
you do the menu on your phone. I just keep
that on my pants in my back pocket.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
We should have a QR code. Have them shoot the
QR code to find out who we are.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Here it is. They got a blue check mark and everything.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Here's my QR code. You know, use my code name
of Rich. You'll get twenty dollars off your first purchase.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Whatever it is when you're famous and living in Connecticut.
Because I mean, that era for me was just in
music and sports in general. That era for me was
when I probably grew the most as a human being.
So all of you guys were wildly famous to me
because I watched every day, every night Sports Center ESPN.
(25:38):
But I would I have friends now that we're super famous.
In the nineties and early two thousands, in music, and
they would be touring all the time, and they would
not know how famous they were because there wasn't social media,
and so they would just be traveling until it was over,
or they could settle, or they would be in LA
or New York.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
They really wouldn't know. Was it like that? Then?
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Oh yeah, let me tell you something, Bobby, So I
did the mostly for my seven year Sports Center career.
I did mostly the two am Eastern Times Sports Center
that would be eleven o'clock Pacific and would be re
aired for hours the next morning throughout the next morning.
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Like that would never happen now, right, Like they would
never air a show that's dated by hours, like they'll
be live.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
That's the way it works now.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
But back in that day, and then they moved up
the time slot from two am to one am. The
problem with that was is that the number of West
Coast events that weren't over by that time, we had
to rebasically redo the show a second time at two
am Eastern to update, and if they weren't somehow over
by the end of that show, we'd have to stay
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later until the show until the game ended to put
it into the show of record that would get reaired
throughout the next day. So I'm living in central Connecticut
and coming to work at like five o'clock at night,
doing a show that aired at one am and then
two am, and then getting home at four am, and
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then trying to get off the high of being on
live TV in time to go to sleep, and then
I would sleep throughout the most exposure I've had on
cable television in my entire career, from five am it
would start Eastern Time, all the way to one in
the afternoon. I still get people today, and I'm obviously
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it blows me away when people come up to me with,
you know, with their kids next to them, saying that
I used to they used to watch me and Stuart
Scott mostly before they got on the school bus in
the morning because I was on at seven am, eight
am or six am non stop. So I would be
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sleeping when I got the most exposure of my career,
and then I would wake up, I'd have lunch. I
don't know what the hell I was doing with my
life then, and then going to work and doing it again,
and I would have no idea who's watching it.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Zero.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
It was as if I was living on another I
was living on planet Bristol, no clue. And then I
would go to New York City and try and have
a social life, you know, whenever I had a day off.
It was also tough in that regard to I'd meet,
you know, somebody and immediately say to them, you know, hey,
(28:28):
do you want to have dinner sometime? And like two tuesdays,
you know, try try that, you know, you know, come
online for size, like, hey, what are you doing two
tuesdays from now?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
What a weirdo? Right?
Speaker 4 (28:40):
But that's you know, that's when my next day off
was f me. So like that that was my my
life in terms of not knowing who's listening, not knowing
who's out there, unable to get myself in some sort
of social mix, get some sort of thing going that
I could have a social life outside of work. I'm
not complaining, you know, but that was you asked me
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what my life was like?
Speaker 2 (29:03):
What did you tell though, for the first time that
it had had blown up?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I don't know. It really wasn't a moment it was
like TRL.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
It might have It might have been like it an
Espi's you know, sp awards. When I finally they put
Stuart and I up you know, we replaced Dan Patrick
and Keith Oberman as the guys who did the pre
award pre sp Awards show from the balcony of Radio
City Music Hall. Dan and Keith always said that they
they were like the old man muppets Stadler and Waldorf
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sitting up there in the balcony. And then Stuart and
I did it for a couple of years, and then
getting out and about and then you know, meeting some
celebrities who knew who we were like that, that was
kind of blowing me away. I just assumed I had
no idea who was watching at all. And now I
hear I am, you know, in twenty twenty four running
into people who now have children saying that when they
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were kids, I would be the ones to either put
them to sleep if they were you know and teenage
years on the West Coast, or kids going to school
waking them up like that's that was my life in sports.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
What became more romantic too as you got more involved,
and what became less meaning I still love the Cubs,
but I went we worked up with the Cardinals. Yeah,
and I didn't hate the Cardinals. Where me before I
got or music right, like I can also see kind
of the gross things about music, but I can also
see now when somebody's really good, like it's even that
much cooler to me, Like what wasn't as cool about
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sports and what became even cooler.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
I'll be honest with the Bobby, I'm just not jaded
the fact that you know, again, like you were there
working with my guys at the show, right, you worked
with the team there. Sometimes we're sitting there hour before
a show just talking about any old stupid shit, you know,
and like talking about this movie, that thing, this thing,
and then we're like, you know what, let's do a
segment about that movie or this thing or in relation
(30:53):
to whatever. And then you know, a couple times I'll
just sit around and I'll say to everybody, like, can
you believe this is what we do? Honestly, Like, I'm
not jaded about it. You know, there's things about the
sports business that you know will make you sick or
your stomach or you know this about somebody or know
that about somebody. But that's just anything with any business.
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But uh, truly, it's the toy department of life being
able to talk sports, and I just, you know, I
hope that's the way it will always be.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Do you ever want to not fly too close to
the sun with your favorite teams?
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Meaning? What what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
My example now is I have purposefully not pursued a
relationship with John caliparid Arkansas. I am diehard razorback fan
in every way. I'm afraid if I don't like somebody,
it's going to affect how hard I root for that team. Yeah,
so everyone says, by all accounts, he's awesome. I don't
want to not like any part of that because then
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it takes away like what I love to do most,
which is root for Arkansas sports.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Well, let's put it this way, Bobby, you should reach out.
You'll be good.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
But I'm asked he's gonna be fine, but would like
to and like.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Listen, uh, you know, in terms of flying too close
like this, this this particular year with the Jets, is
I'm backing off for sure, because at this point in time,
I'm slated to call a Week five game with them
in London. And the last thing I want to do
is that anybody think that I'm being biased against the
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Vikings who they're playing against at all. And and and
but if anybody who knows me for real, and I'm
I'm not shitting you here at all. If they know
me for real that I if I'm calling a game,
I would not care who wins at all. I just
want it to be a close game.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
But if you don't, and I'm not saying any of
the coaches, but over your history of being a Jets fan,
if you don't like, if you really don't.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Like, you're still ruin the rooting interest.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
So yeah, I guess if you keep your distance, that
makes complete sense that you don't want it ruined, you know,
in that regard. But after a while also, you know, listen,
the only teams, truly, the only teams that affect my
emotional output. And this is for real where I will
just say why am I happier today?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Oh that's right, they won? Or why am I less
happy today? Oh? They lost?
Speaker 4 (33:11):
And I should be a better human being, you know,
to myself and everyone around me. Are are the Michigan
Wolverine football team and the New York Yankees.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
That's it. That's the list. If the Jets.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Lose, you know, it'll be like, well that's a bummer,
but you know, okay, but those are truly the only
two teams that affect my emotions?
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Did you ever meet Connor Stallion's I did not.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
I did not mean you like, Oh no, I just
but but man, he gave me some great seats ones.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Have. You don't want to meet him? Would I want
to meet him?
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I would want to meet him if you why if
he was doing he had a manifesto where nobody got
hurt or died or anything.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
I understand that for but he was so he'd be
my hero. He was so piss poor at it that
you know they've that's true. You know if I met him,
i'd say, why were you? That's sloppy, man, I don't know.
Just let me just say this to you. Okay, you're
referring to the guy who gave out tickets to people
so they could sit in a geographically advantageous spots to
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record the opposition sidelines of teams that Michigan was going
to play against the rules of NCAA scouting.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
So I'll just repeat again, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
If my hero, though, if I were you, I would
love the guy. No, I'm sure he did it right
for a long time.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
No, but no, no, no, no, because I don't think
he did it right.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
You know what I mean. Let me ask you this question.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
How many times have you been on vacation with your
lovely wife or anybody else and you hand them somebody
of phone saying would you mind taking a picture?
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Have you done that before? Okay?
Speaker 4 (34:45):
How many times do you get the phone back and
the photograph is more of the sky than of you?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
It's terrible. Oka.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
So Connor Stallions is giving tickets to a bunch of
people to say, shoot video for me. How often do
you think the video came back on unusable?
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Like most of the time. Okay.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
So it's what I'm saying is like everybody thinks that
this thing was run to perfection. Okay, the scenes, I
don't think that, and the videos the videos were I'm
not even.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Talking about the allegations.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
I'm talking about he loved him like you did.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I gave his whole he wrote it. But I would
never cheat on behalf of my team.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
I'm not even talking about that.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
You're awfully sensitive.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I'm just talking about you generally, Like this guy was awesome.
If there was anybody that would put his heart and
soul into Arkansas like that, I low key would be like,
keep your head up, buddy.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
No man, let's go.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
I would choose a different adjective for him than awesome.
I would say, I would say publicly privately, I'll tell
it to you privately.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
But you never met up. See. I would have him,
would be my dude, Absolutely not. I want I would
do him. I would do that. I would like him
to leave the scene and never to return.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
What about the documentary coming out?
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I don't want to see it. Man. I think I
like him more than you do. Yeah, I know, tell him,
tell him I said to fuck off? Is it wrong
to say no? Not at all? Were you in Harbaugh close? Cool?
I love him.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
He's my first quarterback when I was a freshman. He
was a senior, So he was my first Michigan quarterback ever.
He was just part of my latest charity run for
Saint Jude, which you know about that charity very well.
And and and.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
So he's just I love him.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
And everybody's like wondering, you know, you upset that he
left Michigan to go to the Chargers. And my answer
to that, and I'll repeat it here again, is there's
a man made lake outside of Sofi Stadium. I think
he walked on it to sign his contract. I do
not care. He hung the banner, he left. He gave
me one of the greatest years of my life, not
just sports, it was my life.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
And so good luck to him. We're gonna see him Wednesday.
We're gonna go. Are you really had?
Speaker 2 (36:51):
The Chargers invited us to come out cool, so you're
going to be. We're gonna We're gonna be there flying
in Wednesday afternoon with them. And I have to go
speak on Thursday in San Diego. But they were like,
come out, So we're gonna go.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Because you know, my show studio is two minutes away
from their facility, literally a left and the right.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
I've been to your show studio. I didn't.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
I didn't know where they just they just opened it
a month ago. So that's true.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
If you've got time, come back.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
You'll you'll be I don't know. I would like to
see the guy. My wife was like, oh, you're going
to see Rich again?
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yeah? Today, And I was like no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
When you were coming to the house, I was like,
how long's it beench you've seen Rich And I was
like never, Yeah, we've never met. She goes, wait, what
I said, I've spoke to him on the poked him
on the phone. Did you call me very graciously before
I went and or I precovered for you? And then
we've spoken on zoom. But any time that I would
be there or when I did your show, you weren't there.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
I know. That's that's the point. That's the point. And
I was like, I've never met him. Second were sitting
in that I have to be out for you to
sit in? Yes, but I love you.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Your guys were so freaking warm, and you told me
and we we have a text Stedd.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
We just talk about you the whole time. It's just
me and all the guys. I don't know if I
want to see that, but.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
They were super nice, like, oh cool and accommodating and warm.
Your studio is massive, it's fun. It's like a it's
a rent on that plate. It's filled with.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Stuff in there that is under the category from my
wife of you know where that would look better? Yeah,
you know, And I'm like, where like your studio?
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Oh got it? I have again.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
I just walked through your finally beautifully appointed house to
come here, and I thought the question I always ask
a bunch of guys is how much of the stuff
in the house is what you brought to the relationship zero. Well,
I saw some guitars on the wall, so.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
So those were in for a while. They weren't making
the cut.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
But there's a it's a little sliver where there's like
a what's that game call where you slide it?
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Oh the oh yeah, the get sure, the with the
sawdust on? Yeah, okay, whatever that we have one of
they I saw that, and that's your contribution. It is not.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
But what she what she has done which makes it cool,
is I have a collectic guitars in a long time,
but I used to, but now I'll have I have
some old ones from artists like Kenny Rodgers or who
have like signed guitars. Garth Brooks gave me, like his
guitar he played one one night or one day. But
now what my wife has done, she's like, well, you
have all these guitars. We don't want to pay for
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a storage unit. So now we put empty ones up
and some of our friends will come to the house
and we'll have an evening and she'll have them signed
guitars and hang them up.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
I know, like she elevates it. Well, what she.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Does is she takes your stuff and turns it from
the This is what this is what a great stylish
would do is to take your shit and turn it
from shit into a piece.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Pola states heard you know what I'm saying. My Grandma's
that could not be done. It's now a piece, you
know what I mean? Like, that's now a piece on
the wall. It's not your ship on the wall, it's
your it's a piece that's on the wall. So kudos
to you and your stylish wife and your relationship.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
I have in my house.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
You know, I have an office, so there's stuff that's
in there, and there's stuff that once I put in
the office, it's like, why isn't that on your set?
I'll get that question, which is a hint to take
it again. I've been you know, I've been happily married
for twenty one years now and then and then there
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is one chair in my house that I brought to
the relationship one but I bought it with her mom
years ago. So it's kind of got like an asterisk
kind of hybrid. But it's my chair. It's what it
used to be in my apartment and it's still there.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
How does the relationship work with both of you being
in mostly the same industry.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
It's great.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
I mean, we have a production company together. She is
the most collaborative and idea filled uh confidant, and she
also fills in so she got her own best mom
ever signed because I have my best dad ever signed
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on my desk. And and she just brings a totally
different part of the equation. I kind of dig that that,
you know, that my when I'm not in the chair,
she is and there's still you know, a family sense there,
you know. And then sometimes she'll give opinions that I'm
not terribly into, but she, you know, she understands that
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she isn't bad a thousand you know, I shouldn't say
that stuff.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Can we cut this part out? Just kidding?
Speaker 2 (41:44):
A couple weeks ago, her and her partner on What's
the Football? Yeah, I listened to your show almost every day,
Thanks Palm. So I appreciate that. Yeah, that's a great show.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Thanks.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
So is that under your network? It is under a
podcast network. They're having a year two come out starting
in September, And I you know, Amy Trask is a legend.
I mean, she has Hall of Fame credentials from her
time with the Raiders, figuratively and quite literally, I think
she should be in the Hall of Fame. And she
and Susie when we've been out to dinner with husbands
and friends and hit it off, and I think we're
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going to actually legitimately add red Wine to the equation
this fall, because the two of them are better when
they've got a glass in their hand and just chop
it up. And that's the idea, you know, is to
have you know, content that is of interest and and
that you can't get anywhere else.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Obviously, that's that's the way to go.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
But Susie's filled with ideas and filled with energy and
filled with with with just her own sensibility. Like she
did a power ranking the other day of her power
rankings of pet peeves, three of which I could identify, uh,
emanating from my behavior.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Heavily influenced by Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Especially the leaving clothes in front of the hamper not
in them, Like that one.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Really hit home.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
But that's I kind of dig putting that out there,
you know, like that's that's life, that's relatable, that's what
people do and and healthy relationships can survive.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
What is your power ranking of favorite musical artists of
all time?
Speaker 1 (43:25):
To you?
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Oh God give me, give me five, give me go
one through five.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
It be hard to do it backward, okay. One, m.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
It's a toss up. One is a toss up between uh.
Because I listened to these guys since I was a kid. Billy,
Joel and Elton John would be one and two depends
on a day. Coldplay three you got to put the
Beatles on that list, And I know I'm dating myself,
(43:58):
but I am who I am.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Bobby Bones five. I love the Killers.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
I love the Killers, and obviously Michigan adopting mister Brightside
is another aspect of that. John Mayer, John Legend could
make this list. So yeah, that's my power rankings.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
LASTKA concert you've been to?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
Oh, I was at Bruce Springsteen again, being from Staten Island,
I'm I guess I should have put Bruce on the list.
But my wife's a bigger Bruce fan than I am.
Her brother is just a Bruce nut. So there was that.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
In the uh in the forum.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Coldplay at the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
I like Emo coleplay way more than Anthemic coleplay.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
I love Coldplay, sure.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I like the sad, slow stuff more than the get
in all the synth.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
I got it, I understand it.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
But in in terms of just a a big stadium band,
I mean, Chris Martin just attaches himself to your heartbeat.
It's I've never seen anything like it. I did see
you two in the sphere. Holy shit, that's the sphere
I've never seen.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
I mean, I've seen clips.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
I mean, it truly is one of those things that
you cannot believe until you see it. I mean when
you walk into the sphere and for the first time
and I saw on the wall these cinder blocks, these large,
huge cinder blocks, and I thought to myself, with these
two dots, each one of these monster sort of cinder blocks,
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one on top of the other, all the way up
to the ceiling, to the roof, and at one point
in the roof you would see these helicopters flying overhead.
And it gave you an idea, Oh, okay, certainly the
hole in the sphere, there's no hole in the sphere,
and that's not seeing through that that is part of
the visual illusion. But had and I thought that the
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cinder blocks are made of something that you can cast
these visuals on. Until the concert started and the cinder
blocks separated and bright light was shining through it, and
I realized that the light was an image, and so
are the cinder blocks. This entire time, I was sitting
there in the hour before the concert, and my mind
(46:23):
was blown. And not only can they put anything on there,
they can also change the depth perception. At one point
it felt like the ceiling was collapsing on you and all.
I kept thinking to myself whenever I watch anybody with
Dead and Company, that if the drugs are bad, you
were going to have a long ass night, man, Like
that is really a wild place to see.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
You could see anything in there. They had the NHL
draft in there recently that looked amazing. I can't you know.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
And this is how great this fear is, and that
I would recommend anybody go to it, even though it's
owned by the owner of the Knicks, James Dolan, who
I otherwise have nothing but the greatest of contempt for.
And I would say, fill his money with fill his
pocket with your money. Do you wish that's how good
the sphere? You wish you would sell the team? Oh
my god, have you wished that for?
Speaker 2 (47:14):
Well?
Speaker 1 (47:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (47:14):
I mean the last couple of years things have turned.
So I'll accept the currents.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Like, do you give the you give him Jalen Brunton credit.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
No, I give him credit for hiring the guy who
got Jalen Brunson. Listen, when he threw Charles Oakley and
or Charles Oakley got thrown in jail and uh left overnight.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
That that tour it for me. Do you think Bill
Parcells should be in the Hall of Fame? He is
in the whole Fame.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Do you think he should be in the Whole of Fame?
I do think he should be there. Yeah, yeah, I
know he's amp, But do you think he should be?
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Yes? I do? Okay, what about Robert Kraft?
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Yes, absolutely, I asked that because of the controversies. Sure,
the documentary that just came out.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
Yeah, but I mean, listen, as much as you might
feel about deflate Gate and Spygate, you know, personally, I
think Spygate's worse than the flake gate. Don't forget about
the flake gate. That the ball that was confiscated and
sent to the NFL and that sparked the controversy was
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an intercepted football. So if it was supposed to help,
why would Brady throw an interception with it? So I'm
saying like it's it's not cookie cutter where one size
fits all. All right, So there's that, But you still,
despite the spygate and despite the Deflake Gate, you cannot
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deny the greatness of what they did for all those
years and deny and think that's that was what made
Belichick and Brady and the rest of that roster as
great as possible and the organization as sterling as it's
been otherwise.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
So I mean, Robert Craft is at the head of that.
So for the record, I agree.
Speaker 4 (48:49):
Plus he was also very instrumental in the advent of
NFL Network as well as bridging the gap in the lockout,
so I think he.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
Deserves credit for that too. Eli Manning, I think he's
in the Hall of Fame. He should be. That's next year.
You can now be yeah, he's now next guy. He's
first time eligible next year, and I think you should go,
what about a guy like Jared Allen.
Speaker 4 (49:14):
He's he's out there for sure in terms of sacks
and in terms of what he did when he was there.
And I think if you put folks like Patrick Willis in,
and you put folks who had a terrific run in
a career, that didn't you know, wasn't ring heavy and
wasn't you know, for the exception of three years of
for Patrick Willis, eight years, wasn't all that great that
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It's just that unfortunately it's only seven guys can get
in a year, and there's fifty three guys on a roster.
There will always be guys waiting, always be guys waiting.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
I made a list of the people, but because Eli
was one, but Jared Allen's always been one to me
that I thought, Man, he's such right on that line.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
I think so too.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
And if it hadn't been for the Vikings actually being
the Vikings, if he'd have been on a different team,
possibly he'd be easier. So here are some of the
guys that are up next year. Yeah, Luke Keiley, Yes,
he was so freaking good. Yea, he was so good.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
It will be. I don't know if he's the first ballot,
but he will be. Earl Thomas.
Speaker 4 (50:19):
I don't know about that. I don't know if Earl's
gonna make it. Marshaan, I think so. But running backs
a real tough one because Frank Gore is going to
be up soon.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
Too, and so you know, do you think it helps
Marshaw on his personality since he's out of the league,
can not afford.
Speaker 4 (50:36):
Sure, of course it can because these are human beings
that vote, and there you know you might. But Marshawn again,
I think Frank Gore has I shouldn't speak these things
without an Internet in front of me, But I think
Frank has better statistics, more longevity. But Marshawn has moments
that that pop out more than Frank Gore.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Vinitarry right, oh like easily doubt he might be a
first ballot.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Clay Matthews, I don't think, so stay for sure. At
some point I think he'll get in.
Speaker 4 (51:08):
But you also again, don't forget you guys got like
Tory Holt should be a Hall of Famer, he's not in.
I think Jim Plunkett should be a Hall of Famer,
but Jim's from a different category that there are veterans
committees that will put people in. So again, when you're
a receiver, when you're a defensive lineman, running back, quarterback,
those are guys that you have the longest line I think,
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and tackles guards, defensive tackles, pardon me. Linebackers usually have
to wait the longest corners, because if you're not first ballot,
you're going to be on that line waiting to jump
past any of the skilled so called skilled position players.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Three final things I want to talk about. Sure, Dak,
what's happening?
Speaker 4 (51:53):
Great question. He's got all the cards, he's got all
the leverage. As of this conversation. He is unsigned past
this year. He cannot be franchise tagged, and he cannot
be traded. So he's the Dallas Cowboys quarterback this year,
and he's going to make a killing. He's going to
make an absolute killing. Depending on whether he gets it
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from Dallas now or he gets bestowed a free agent
contract from somebody that's willing to give him sixty million
a year, he's going to get it.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
None of those guys have quite hit sixty yet, right,
but Jordan Love two fifty five.
Speaker 4 (52:25):
We're currently at fifty five. And if Dak goes this year,
I think that may be the push pull. Like he's
probably saying, I want something for start to a six.
Dallas may be responding, listen, we've got to pay CD,
we've got to pay Micah.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
We need you to take less.
Speaker 4 (52:41):
And what about that period you know that range of
money between fifty five and sixty. Can we find a
sweet spot there? I'm guessing that might be the push
pull right now. But if it's not Dak getting sixty,
it'll be pretty next year.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Really, hellya, absolutely? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (53:00):
Trevor Lawrence got fifty five, Tua got fifty three point one,
Jordan Love got fifty five. Rock Perdy has If you
add up Jordan Love's, Jordan Love, Trevor Lawrence, and Tua's
career playoff wins, Perty has more, and he probably will
even separate himself even more in terms of playoff wins
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and certainly potentially Super Bowl appearances, if not wins in
that category.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
We'll want the narrative to be what it's always been
with Perty. We'll look at him. He's got Debo, he's
got McCaffrey, he's got Brandon I, and we really need
to pay him sixty million dollars. And I'm not saying
that this the narrative is correct, but obviously when you're
the last person picked.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
Yeah, that's the reason why correct. Don't forget Brady probably
had that for the first couple of years of his
career too. He's on a super team. It was Bill
not Brady, But Brady, they won a super Bowl, he
won three, he won three out of four.
Speaker 4 (53:55):
I understand. We'll see what Purty does. But I think
he's going to get that money.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Wow. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
If he's the first sixty million guy, a lot of
people I would love it.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
I think it.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
You know the fact that Trey Lance wasn't the guy
that came out of that and party.
Speaker 4 (54:09):
Was Oh yeah, I mean on behalf of guys who
looked like they're still in high school. I think he
with you. I think he would represent people like you
very well.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
The second thing I want to mention, you know what
I shouldn't brought him Conors Stallions.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
I apologize. Don't worry about. No, No, I don't worry. I
would have loved to have one of those guys well
on behalf.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
I think I would have been that guy on behalf.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
Of Michigan fans everywhere.
Speaker 4 (54:29):
You don't want to Connor Stallions in Arkansas just just
Pig Suey without him.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
Brother, you know Cal, if you met Cal, I have
met him. Yeah, I think you'd love him.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
Don't worry about I signed up for a fantasy camp. Okay,
and like five weeks thirty and up with cal And
there's like forty adult men that go play basketball for two.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
Days and I don't know, I'm gonna probably tear every.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
You're gonna love him, yeah, but I'm gonna go play.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
You'll love him. I don't even play basketball.
Speaker 4 (54:53):
Oh okay, Well then then you know we'll find out
how many minutes he gives you.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
But I will, but I will go hard. The greatest
sports achievement for me personally, Yeah, for you.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
You mean that I've not watched your highlight of your
sports life.
Speaker 4 (55:08):
Meaning that you've played that I've actually conducted that you
have breaking six seconds in my.
Speaker 1 (55:14):
Forty yard dish? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 4 (55:17):
Even better other than that was not getting picked last
in gym and junior year of high school that one time.
I'm just kidding No, I mean I realized early on Bobby,
I couldn't hit the curve, couldn't make the jump shot,
and I needed to talk a.
Speaker 1 (55:30):
Good game in order to get to a certain level.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
You know, was there a decision, final question, a decision
you made that looking back, you're really glad you made
a career wise, but was really tough then in it
really it dictated a lot of where your career went.
Speaker 4 (55:45):
Oh God, yeah, I mean I had many of those
moments man cross roads type moments, cross road moment. The
first crossroad moment was working for the hometown newspaper, the
Staten Island Advance or the Advances we would refer to
it in Staten Island and it was covering on the
cops feat and I was following ambulances because I didn't
know what the hell I was doing, and I pulled
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off the side of the road. I'm like, there's no
other way to parse what I'm doing right now other
than ambulance chasing.
Speaker 1 (56:10):
I need to do something about it.
Speaker 4 (56:12):
And I went back to grad school to Northwestern, a
deal school of journalism. That was a big moment for me,
getting my first job and reading California and throwing myself
deep into it was another job like that moment moment.
Now the crossroads was just saying, screw it, I'll just
send my tape to a headhunter. Sent it to three
different headhunters and one of them showed my tape to ESPN.
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I got hired by ESPN through there, and another one
was standing my ground with ESPN about what I wanted
to do for them, which led to me getting handed
a cardboard box and an opportunity with NFL Network and
choosing them when I had a couple of options at
the time, doing that, and then deciding that I wanted
(56:55):
to not just rest on what I was doing for
NFL Network, start a podcast, which led to my current
show every Day, and just believing in that I that
there's more that I can do than whatever I was
supposedly considered by management to be too important and good
at what I was doing, to try and keep on
looking at everything else and try and be ahead of
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the curve doing a podcast before many people did one,
and go to streaming before anybody considered that is a
viable option like that, that was Those are all those moments.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
Well, I'm want to encourage everybody to stream your podcast.
Speaker 1 (57:28):
That's how I listen every day. Thanks brother.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
I don't only do anything live anymore, Like do you
consume anything live?
Speaker 1 (57:34):
Accept sports?
Speaker 4 (57:35):
Sports is pretty much it? Yeah, man, Yeah, that's a
that's about it. I mean Saturday Night Live, I watch
on clips? What else I mean, yeah, I mean even
like about it. Television shows, it's all on demand at
this point. Yeah, I didn't even think I have cable anymore. Well,
that's good because get Roku. I do have, Chiz, I
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do have.
Speaker 2 (57:56):
I'm a big fan. I really appreciate you making all
the time for us here anytime, Mike anything.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
What was the last good movie you saw?
Speaker 4 (58:02):
Last good movie I saw in the theater anywhere anywhere
that I've never seen before?
Speaker 1 (58:08):
Yeah, New One.
Speaker 4 (58:09):
Huh, that's a good question. Last good movie, man, I don't.
I don't know. I liked American Fiction this year. I
like that a lot. I'm a big Jeffrey Wright fan,
so I'll go with that one.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
That's a good movie where he writes that book kind
of as a joke and then gets really famous from it.
And he'd been doing serious stuff before then and it
hadn't worked out, but then when he yeah, it's a
good movie.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
Kevin, anything real quick?
Speaker 2 (58:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (58:38):
I often say that you're like Jim nance when you
do the draft. Hello, I watched the draft and I'm like, Oh,
this is like Jim Nanster and the Masters.
Speaker 1 (58:45):
All right, where do you put that draft? Like work
in the draft weekend? For you?
Speaker 4 (58:48):
Oh, it's the hardest thing I do, No, without a doubt,
because it's long, it's live, the clock's moving. You gotta
not only know what's going on on the clock, you
got to know who's next. You got to know what's
happening after that. You got to know what the narratives
are going in, how they're playing out or not playing out.
When it's live in the first round and then the
second and third rounds, you got to treat that like
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it's the first round, and sometimes it can get a
little slow there, and then the last day is just comedy.
Speaker 1 (59:15):
Just like, let's just go.
Speaker 4 (59:16):
There's a lot of time if you're watching between rounds
four and seven, you need to be entertained as much
as possible. So there's different vibes every night. But it
is like, when I'm done with it, it is. It
is demanding. It is the most mentally demanding thing that
I do. But I love it.
Speaker 2 (59:29):
Yeah, your car is here. I've just been told fantastic,
so perfect time.
Speaker 4 (59:33):
Yeah, my flight's taken off in an hour and fifteen
and my TSA pre.
Speaker 2 (59:36):
Ran out, plenty of time, no problem, naked, I feel
the naked rich. Thanks for coming mine and really appreciate it.
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