25W: The WNBA vs Caitlin Clark + John Middlekauff + Conference Finals are Set + A New Intern!

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
This is a podcast called twenty five I was talking.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Sports. I just said, oh my god, before we hit record,
I just I just said, we're gonna do the version
with the singing in it, and then we were just
gonna do sport, and that's why we went sports. And
then it started and you started yelling over it.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Hey, I got it.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Now you just want to sing it ourselves?

Speaker 3 (00:25):
No, no, no, no, that's okay, let's go with your origin.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
One of the singers here that scared me a little bit.
It's almost like he was having a seizure, like he
just yells, okay, go ahead. We're just doing sports in
the blank spot. Ready, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
This is a podcast called twenty five Wist talking sports
and they are wearing a whist. So, yeah, it's too bad.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
But what did you expect.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
It's a podcast called twenty five Whist Souls. Hello, Eddy,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
That was so good.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
All right, John Middlecoff coming up a little bit. We
talked a lot of football, made some notes from over
the weekend, and there's a lot to talk about. But
I want to start with Caylen Clark. I've watched all
three games.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Dang, really, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
I would, I would get a jersey. I've watched all
three games I've got, I've got a lot to say.
He's piss me off.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
So what's going on? Man? Is it the coach?

Speaker 2 (01:25):
No, the brisket ball? She was drafted to the worst
team in the league.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Right, Sure, they got the first pick.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Right. She's making passes that I don't know. I guess
they don't play basket. The other girls in her play basketball.
I mean, she's dropping dimes and they just aren't catching
the ball. It's crazy some of the she's getting turned
over some of these plays. Okay, so here's here's here
you go. I'm gonna give you guys some numbers here
because they're acting like that she's not any good. She's

(01:52):
really struggled through three games. Let me just do a
little comparison for you guys, and then you'll see where
I'm going.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
The NBA Rookie of the Year this year was.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Who is when Kaitlan Clark is wimby NBAA Clark played
three games.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
I missed the w part of this.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Whm bin Yama got it? Okay, so game one when
beIN Yama NBA, he's a rookie of the year right.
He had fifteen points, five rebounds to assists. Game one.
Nobody was crying Wimby sucks. We can't believe Wimby's Whimby's terrible.
He only scored fifteen. He only went fifteen to five
and two. Caitlyn Clark's first game twenty points, three assists,

(02:26):
no rebounds. Okay, I would say those are pretty comparable.
Game two Wimby twenty one points, twelve rebounds, one assist.
Game two for Kaitlyn Clark uh seven rebounds from zero,
so she had a nine to seven to six line,
not as many points, but went up in rebounds and assists.
Game three Wimby eleven points, five rebounds to assist. Game

(02:47):
three for Kaitlin Clark twenty two points, eight rebounds, eight
assists on a terrible team.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Different position, though.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Doesn't matter. They weren't screaming Wimby sucks. There's all this
pressure on Kaitlyn Clark to like own the league in
such a way that like Diana Trosso whatever was like
she's she's gonna have to meet real women when she
plays at WNBA. She's still better than all of them.

(03:16):
They have to take their entire defense and focus on
Kaitlin Clark, and that's what they do. They blitz her
eighty percent of time when she gets the ball and
she's still scoring twenty twenty two and nine.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
I was gonna talk to you for saying hold.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
On, I got more to say. She played the Liberty
in game three. Watch the whole game they got to
beat Liberty are good. And the press conference afterward, the
Liberty were talking about how they sold the game out
and they made two million dollars in tickets. And it's
because people are loving the product of the WNBA. Check
back the next WNBA game when Kaitlin Clark's not there.
Not once did they say it was because Kaitlin Clark was.

(03:53):
They not one time gave her any sort of her
deserve flowers, any sort of shine. It was because Katelyn
Clark was their It's not because THEWBA generally kind of sucks.
There are some good players, but the Indiana Fever, they're awful.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
They're terrible.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
And the fact that Kateln Clark can average eighteen through
her first three games whenever the entire defense they're building
their entire defense around her, they're blitzeeing her. It is
wild to see these people still hate on her, people
subtweeting her whenever. The reason that the numbers are up

(04:31):
butts in seats highest WNBA games. It's like the Old
West was one. Are Kaitlyn Clark games that ref the
first game they call two fouls super quick on her ticket,
tack fouls that had had to sit at the bench, Like,
what are they doing? And the fact that these other
women are hating on her, They're costing themselves money. Why
do you think they're getting a fly private now because

(04:54):
there's a transcendent star that is now in the league.
That league loses so much money. The WAA makes no money.
They lose money. They lose money hand over fist that
NBA pays for the WNBA to do anything. That's why
they don't make high salaries. Hopefully that's not always the case.
Hopefully Kittlin Clark is able to transcend into people like
me watching games and following along. I watched three games.

(05:14):
I've never seen three w big games in my life. Never.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
It's crazy, you're watching all this.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Can't wait, can't wait for the next one. I'm trying
to find where the ion channel is. I don't even
know it was a channel.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
They have one Ion Cosby show we run now it's
like forensic files, a lot of forensic files.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
But it's all these other players constantly too, like just
chirping about how and it's not always Kittlet Clark isn't good,
but it's about, well, this player deserves to be the
rocket ship. You need to make sure that you're not
taking a dump on the rocket ship. You know, you
can put to shine on other people too, but she
is what's going to get people that haven't been fans

(05:49):
of that league to look at the league. And so
the fact that they're not like embracing that is wild
to me. The Liberty had a press conference like we
had two million, No, Kaitlin Clark had two million dollars,
And even the announcers during the game they were like, well,
we got to tell you, it's like eighty percent Liberty
and twenty percent Kaitlin Clark fans here. So it's a
Liberty who made the players. Even Liberty fans wanted to

(06:12):
see Kaitlin Clark. Jason sadeikis, who's like part of the
Liberty group, he admitted he had a Kaytlin Clark shirt
underneath his hoodie, like when you finally get that Michael
Jordan or Tiger Woods, or you don't do everything possible
to minimize them. It's what I've never seen a company,

(06:32):
well I haven't been on the interworkings of many companies,
but try to shoot themselves in the foot. So that's
my point.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Do you think they're not realizing they're doing this or
what do you think they're in They're jealous, They're jealous,
but well, what's the jealousy. She's helping everyone around her.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
But again, they're jealous because they think there are better
players that she just came from college. She doesn't deserve
abcdefg all the eyes on her, she never won a
national championship whatever. Of course it's all jealousy.

Speaker 5 (07:02):
You would think that the front office would be like, hey, guys,
cool down, like this.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Is really good for us. If I were the WNBA
commissioner after that first game where that stupid ref gives
her two tiki tak fouls at the beginning of her
first game ever and she had to go sit the bench. Yeah,
you need those fans. And I'm not saying if she fouls,
don't call them. You think those fans or like that's
a good call. Ref. We enjoy a good, fair, honest game,
and we're on your side if it's if we got

(07:26):
to put no NBA. There's a reason the NBA is
such a star. Lebron gets Lebron calls.

Speaker 6 (07:32):
That is a thing.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yes, yeh, people, it's a business. It's not the freaking Olympics,
and you want it to maintain. Uh, it's honesty and
you wanted to, but at the same time, you got
to find that line of it. It's also a business.
It's why every team doesn't get put in primetime games
an equal amount. It's not We're not Russia, it's not communists.
Everybody doesn't get equal So I was just watching the

(07:58):
ESPN people just go to town on on how the
Liberty have just built their fan base. I'm like, you
guys are out of your mind this. If Kaitlin Clark
wasn't there, this would not have happened.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
See I saw that story. I had no idea they
even played Kaitlin Clark exactly. I didn't know fl for
the headline.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
They need to protect the franchise. Ye And also again, people,
I guess Kaylin Clark's not that good. You're out of
your mind. They're scheming their entire defense to stop just
her because the other four like us four.

Speaker 6 (08:27):
What are you saying?

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Now you know exactly what he's saying.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
So anyway, that's my Caitlin Clark monologue.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
You're really in this. I'm ready to do.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
I told you I'll look for Eyeon. Yeah, and now
all that's doing is making me route for her even more.
I don't even care about I don't I have no
allegiance to Iowa. I don't know anything about. I mean,
I watched Caitlin Clark play in college a few times.
She changed that. I never went to watch unless it
was an Arkansas Raised By women's basketball game or like
once South Carolina.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Is Sadikas the one that was there in all the
Iowa game. I was getting him and Bateman mixed up.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, it's pretty.

Speaker 6 (09:05):
Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
I was for good both white guys.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Ted laslu is the only way I can know it's Sadekas.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
I never thought Sadaka's was that funny until ted lasts.
So he's just so generic looking, but I never assigned
him with being like somebody that's super funny. He is
super funny, but he's so generically just a white dude
that you're like, yeah, I know, you're kind of good looking,
you shouldn't be that funny. And he's not so good
looking that you're like, like, for example, Matt Rife, when
people start to love Hi, matt yf he's a really
good looking guy, and you're like, and he's funny, that's weird.

(09:32):
A good look, really good looking guy's funny. Good Looking
people are either really ugly or really funny, rarely in
the middle, and when they are, you kind of lose them.
Who are other middle looking funny dudes.

Speaker 6 (09:42):
You think it's because it's unrelatable.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
No, I think you just get lost in the mix.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
I think Ryan Goslin's kind of funny.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Ryan Goslin's great looking.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
He's great looking, but he's.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Also not a comedian.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
But it's just weird.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Is really funny. But also but he's not even known
for that, but yes, he's really good looking. Think about
people that are known for being funny. It's there are
a lot a lot of six sevens and seven and
a half. So it's either like Tues yeah, or like
eight or nine.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Like Adam Sandler really funny, he's not good looking.

Speaker 5 (10:13):
Yeah, you know, speaking of comedians, I saw Bobby Lee
out the other night in California.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
I love that in California.

Speaker 6 (10:22):
Yeah, and he was that he was at my hometown bar.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Dude. Really, Kelly's the one that I was.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, that's fun. You say anything too now he talk
to him. No, it was that something else I want
to say.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Oh boy, Caitlyn Clark.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
No similar though. I'm watching the Knicks and the Pacers yesterday.
But the Pacers even there, according to the ESPN, for
the Pacers even there, they even exist, Like, yeah, it
sucks everybody in the next they've been hurt. Everybody's been
hurt on the Knicks. They've they walk to the game,
they get shot in the foot. I mean everybody. Car
wreck for every player has been in a car rock.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
We've been shot.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
In the last couple of weeks for sure, Brunton breaks
his hand or fractures his hand. Uh during the game,
that's when you knew it just was over over. Although
for a second, oh, DC Jingjo is his name, like
he was going crazy man and so. But according to ESPN,
the Pacers didn't exist. It was all Knicks. It was

(11:17):
they had a Stephen a Smith like Pep talk to
the Knicks before the game.

Speaker 6 (11:21):
Oh my gosh, it's wild.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
They did not want the next one. And I get it.
You want New York and Boston. You liked the old rivalry.
You like the Boston and New York both major markets.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
You like.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
But at some point it was gonna be us playing them,
and the game was it was gonna be us playing
the Celtics. Yeah, the game was never closed when d
vidden Joe later on when he starts going because he
was playing. But the Pacer shot almost seventy percent yesterday.
They were They weren't missing.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
A So we like that.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
We're a pacer a pacer show always.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
No, that's true always.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
But did you go to the Pacers with us?

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah? What do you mean you don't remember Havin be.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
I don't we all we're all together having a great time.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Well remember he didn't go to the very first first ones.

Speaker 6 (12:09):
Oh yeah that was lastly.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah, very very But he's such a hater. I thought
if he actually did go, he'd have a little bit
of like, I like the Pacers, but I'm root for
the Celtics. Now, he's just a jerk.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Both of your gripes today are new York teams taking
all the credit for Indiana teams.

Speaker 6 (12:25):
You're in New York cater.

Speaker 7 (12:26):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
I'm a New York cater for sure. Nice just because
they think they own everything. But mostly it's about all
the players around the league that I keep trying to
like it, like like smear their boopy wan Kaitlyn Clark.
I'm not even a Kaitlyn Clark person.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Interesting imagery there.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
She don't deserve it.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
Justice for Kaitlyn, yea justice for Kaitlyn.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
I haven't seen a game yet, though, I'll admit, hey,
don't no, you know what, I'll probably tonight I'm not
doing anything. No, I am doing something brick And then
Tuesday you got a starting back up, so probably not.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Also Game seven the Denver Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
We're back, baby out.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
I'm happy for you because because you're still in the
mix for your bet yes my future. I kind of
I had hedged a bit because I bought two Aunt
rookie cards before the playoffs, so if they kept winning,
the value of those were going to go up. But
if they lost, I'd bet on Denver to come back
and win the series. So I'm I'm happy. I was
happy either way. It's cool to see that, but they
were down twenty at the half. It's it's two different games.

(13:33):
So but even going to the Oka see Dallas like
that ended sadly, I kind of wanted to see Oklahoma
City move on there.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that. Yeah, big Oklahoma City fan.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Well, I would say if I had to pick a team,
that would bet I. I'm not a big fan. I'm
a fan.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
It's family.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
I'm a fan. It's Caitlyn's favorite team I have. I
have a friend over there the place for them.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
But he played great too, by the way, Yeah, he
did play well.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
The other Janla Williams, the one who gets most of
the care he didn't play.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
That have a very good series. Not that serious.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
No, no, hey, can you explain something to me though,
Just help me understand a little bit, Like how does
like Denver look so awesome and then Denver not look
so awesome, and then like Timberwolves like look awesome and
then not look awesome and then come back and look awesome.
How does this happen? Because when my kids play their teams,
they always like we suck, like we always looked bad.
And then the teams that we play like they're always good.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
And that's a funny question to ask, because there really
wasn't a good game all series. In Game seven, it
was like two different games, so it wasn't they weren't
even consistent in the game, Like they went at halftime
and Minnesota made their changes and it so happened to
be exactly right, and Denver made theirs and it turned
out to be exactly wrong.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Exactly, So I don't know, like Jamal Murray can shoot
forty points two games in a row, He's awesome and
then like not not scored like more than ten points.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
And how lucky was he not to get kicked out
of a game for throwing the stuff away they heat
back pay. Yeah, it's kind of So those were my notes.
I have a Scottie Scheffler note that I wrote when
he goes he goes to the big House.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
He like it's not over for him, right, like it's over.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
They're gonna drop charges.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Oh they are?

Speaker 2 (15:07):
I think, Yeah, I knew they were announcing they were
going to.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Did they ever explain exactly what happened, Like did somebody
wave them through or did he big time them and say,
like what I Scheffler going in.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
He never said that. As a matter of fact, he
and the one time he should have name dropped himself,
he never said that.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, I saw him say that in the press conference.
Never said he was Scotti Sheffler.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Where I think the confusion was there was that accident
where the person was killed. Yes, right, it was one
of the volunteer workers, and so it was bigger than
just a normal security deal with Like there were other
cops there and it was dark, and the police officer
that ended up riding the car whatever that means, was
in an all yellow jacket. Didn't look like because I

(15:50):
would look at other pictures of other cops if I
were Scotty Scheffler, and people were always coming up to
my car. Anyway, you gotta think he's a massive star.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
But the way they described is he was dragging the
cops Like that to me is like cowing.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
What stop? Like it is?

Speaker 2 (16:03):
I know, a drag feels weird because what they kept
say they said dragged fifteen yards. Yeah, Like I feel
like it's got to be like forty yards for a
real drag and something's got a scrape.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Yeah, I feel like.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
The cops just like yo yo, yo yo, hold on
because you can do that in a quick ten to
fifteen years. So I think it was a big misunderstanding.
I think the police officer did not look like a
police officer in a full yellow jacket at night when
you have a really high profile figure. It's probably just
people coming up to him all the time. And he
was also told to go around, but they didn't know
the situation was going to be that uh, that intense.

(16:37):
So I think it was a really bad misunderstanding. But
he was like I went and stretched in prison. He
did sorry jail different different.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
I mean, dude goes to jail, makes his tea time,
shoots a sixty six, like he's my hero.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Probably got to on that next day though. You know
some days you don't get any sleep jet lag. Well
you'll get like one hour sleep. I will sometimes and
I'll come and I'll do this show or have a
comedy shit, and I'm like, I'm on one. I only
go one hour sleep, but I'm on. But it's that
next day where it kind of all hits you.

Speaker 6 (17:05):
It's almost like when you're sore after workout.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
The second day is what got him. The fourth day,
okay was him just like all of the adrenaline from
that day is now gone and just and.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Never did I ever think the Scottie Shuffler is a tough,
tough manly dude, right, but I still don't. He kind
of seemed like a little like a little bee, you know,
the way he's like. I was shaking in jail, and
I asked the cop.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Oh, you thought, so, will you come sit with me
and talk to her? Like, bro, you're just that I
heard him say that.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
I didn't feel like he was like that.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
I felt like he was just like, don't say that.
Don't say that trying.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
To tell your wife.

Speaker 6 (17:37):
Don't don't tell the world that, dude.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
I asked the cop to come, will you come talk
to me?

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Just impression. I asked the cop to come sit with me.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
No, No, like I would make up stories like yeah, man,
you know I was running up. I made a knife
out of a stick. I was ready to go, you know.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Built a shank in like six minutes and like community
lock up.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Weird story though, Uh yeah. And you saw like TikTok
get all political on both sides, and it's like it's
obviously just misunderstanding by everybody. Nobody did anything with any
malicious intent either side to like be like, I'll show you.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Did they get you with the headline when it all started.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
No, because I slept in because we flew into back
from the ACMs. Was that Friday morning. Friday morning, Okay,
So we flew in and got in like one in
the morning. So by the time I got to sleep,
it was two, slept until eleven or something. So by
the it had the whole story had kind of happened,

(18:41):
and he was already back on the course.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
Due the morning headline was Scottie Scheffler arrested one dead.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
No way before you knew what they did that purpose.
That's so stupid.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
One dead, unbelievable. That's a stupid They gotta not do that.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
I would have clicked. That's a pretty good one. Yeah,
all right, coming up, we have a John Middlecoff. I
think we're good there. Let's let's do it. Take a
little break, we'll come back. All right now, We're gonna
talk with John Middlecoff. Love the guy. I'm a big
fan of his podcast. John's a former NFL scout who
worked under how I Roseman and Andy Reid and Philadelphia
back in the day. He has a podcast called Three

(19:22):
and out, which I hope you check it out. It's
also on Collin Cowhart's podcast network, A Super Smart Football Guy.
I listened to a show all the time on Twitter
and Instagram at John Middlecoff. Here he is on Right
Now with John Middlecoff, who does one of my favorite podcasts,
the Three and Out Podcast. I've listened to you talk
about the draft many times, but I haven't been able

(19:44):
to ask these specific questions for our audience. So I
do want to start John with the Falcons and how
do you feel now just weeks out instead of the
day out after they go and they take Panics in
the first round.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
Yeah, I mean, I it's hard to get over, to
be honest with you, because part of the a front office,
and you know a GM a coach is balancing the
near and the far right. So you always got to
be thinking about the future. And Cousins is thirty six
years old and or his achilles last year against the Packers.

(20:16):
But you only have so many resources. This is not baseball, right,
This is everyone is on an even playing field. Everyone
has the same amount of money, and everyone has the
same amount of draft picks, and then you just get
to choose how you allocate them. Like, think about the Browns.
They haven't had first round picks because they chose to
trade for Deshaun Watson and then give him a huge

(20:37):
amount of money. So the moment you invest in Kirk Cousins,
you are living in the present for the next couple
of years. So to use that pick on a quarterback,
it'd be one thing if he was a major project
and a guy that needed a lot of work. He's
a twenty three to twenty four year old, basically six
year starter who's kind of ready made. So I just

(21:01):
I can't fathom the logic behind it. And the other
thing is they are locker room dynamics at play, right.
So if if someone hired the next DJ podcaster who
was way younger, to a lot of money, not as
much money as you're making, but a lot of money,
and told this guy's the next guy, well, your crew

(21:23):
and people, it just it would not facilitate I would
say healthy locker room dynamics. And the kirk Cousins can't
practice during OTAs, so who is out there taking all
the reps? Michael Pennox, Well, they don't have a veteran
leadent team. They have a bunch of young guys, So
I just think it's going to be weird. Now, winning

(21:46):
cures all so if they win, no one will care.
But they didn't exactly just sign Tom Brady, right, this
guy doesn't have a long track record of winning at
a high level. So it's just very weird. It really is.
I don't want to say unprecedented, because we've seen teams
draft quarterbacks, but when Patrick Mahomes was he was going

(22:06):
to get a red shirt year and then if it
went well, they were going to transition. And they did
it right. JJ McCarthy, the Michigan quarterback drafted to Minnesota.
They have a bridge quarterback in Sam Darnold, and then
you can transition Drake May with the Patriots Jacoby Brissett
bridge transition. That one hundred million dollars for multiple seasons

(22:27):
is not exactly a bridge situation. So to me, these
are not robots. These are human beings. And I don't
care what business or industry you're in when you kind
of like, I don't want to say they set up
for a divide, but the divide is very very possible,
especially with young influential people, which they have a lot

(22:50):
of young influential players So.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
A couple thoughts off of that. With Atlanta, you have
a coach that's that's been caught without a quarterback, right,
and so a little bit is you just trying to
make sure that he has at least a quarterback? And
then two is there maybe do we not know how
that injury is healing with Kirk Cousins. I mean, could
that be a factor as well?

Speaker 4 (23:11):
I mean Cousins says he's fine and he'll be ready
to go week one. Obviously, I would say when we
were younger, an Achilles injury in sports would derail your career.
I think with modern medicine in twenty twenty four, it's
pretty clear this is not a Dan Marino situation. And Cousins,
unlike Rodgers, is a player that never had to scramble around,

(23:32):
so he, in theory, should transition better. But to me,
the moment you signed him to that contract, you do
a pretty intensive physical and would have a pretty good
idea of where he stood in terms of the injury
trajectory of the return. And yeah, I hear what you're
saying about Raheem Morris, but I also think it I

(23:55):
think it would be easier with a older veteran coach
that has a long tenure as running the show back
to the locker room dynamics, and I know Rahiem's a
good guy and everyone loves him. I just think things
could get weird fast.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Bo Knicks has been getting very positive reports coming from practice,
but who doesn't but bo Knicks in that system. Listen,
we were hearing about even before the draft that he
would be perfect for Denver and what he wanted in
a quarterback, and it turns out that's where he ends
up going. Are we just is it normal to get
such positive reports back about any quarterback at this point?

(24:30):
And do you feel like Bonnicks could just kind of
pop in and be the next JV Drew Brees Well.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
I think there's two things. I don't think you can
put too much stock into shorts and T shirts in
the spring. If it's negative, you got a problem. And
even if it's negative, it doesn't mean that much. If
you remember back when Jamar Chase was drafted by the Bengals,
he dropped everything in practice, I would say that worked
out pretty well. Jamar Chase can catch, so one element

(24:58):
of this is his the biggest proponent in backer in
the building is the head coach who's on a ninety
million dollar contract, so it's going to be very positive.
I would say this. I went back after he was
drafted and just kind of spent like a five minute
YouTube page just looking at his some of his throws,
and he kind of reminded me of Derek Carr and

(25:18):
Jimmy Garoppolo when they were coming out. Now, they were
small school guys. Derek went to Fresdent State and Jimmy
went to Southern, Northern, Western Eastern Illinois one of those schools,
and both those guys have had very you know, productive
careers when they've been with a good coach. So I
would say that Bo Nix gets to go with a
guy that has a lot of success calling offenses. His

(25:39):
head coach is the offensive coordinator, and his offense is
predicated on getting rid of the ball fast and it's
not really a you know, bomb at down the field
Andy Reid offense. So I would say, yeah, it has
a chance to be much more successful, I think than
people said because historically a guy like Bo Knicks, Derek Carr,

(26:01):
Jimmy Garoppolo goes somewhere thirty five to fifty five range. Well,
like society, inflation with quarterbacks is a real thing. And
I would say ever since the Josh Allen, the Patrick Mahomes,
those type got Herbert have hit. Herbert was a better
prospect coming out of college than the other two. But

(26:23):
teams swing for the fences, and if you want to
get these guys, you have to quote unquote overpay. It's
just the reality of life. And you know, they didn't
have a second round pick. You know, I think most
people around the NFL would say that's pretty high to
draft bo Nicks. But I think when you look at
what John Payton's looking for, I think when you factor in,

(26:44):
it's like, hey, I didn't love paying that much for
that house, but I needed a place to live. Like,
they don't have a quarterback, so they had to get
a quarterback. And I think they were lucky enough to know,
you know, Michael Pennix was definitely a curve ball, but
other than that, bow Knicks was going to be sitting
there for him, like he was now going to be
off the board when they picked, so they didn't have
to trade up. They got a quarterback their coach likes,

(27:05):
and like Pennix, like Caleb Williams, you know bo Nix
has been starting for twenty five years in college. You
just put, I don't know if he's going to be
good in the pros or not, but he's not some
project and you can just play him right away. And
I think the way we talk about Denver, and I'm
probably guilty of this too, we act like they won
two games. I mean, they were pretty much more competitive

(27:28):
down the stretch than we give them credit for. I
think either. I think they won seven, maybe eight games,
So it's not like they are some awful operation. And
they clearly were ready to transition out of the Russell
Wilson situation. The only way you can transition out of
that because they had to eat. I mean, it's well
documented now A ton of money by cutting him is

(27:50):
to get a guy on a rookie contract. It helps
make the transition pretty I guess, much easier, especially if
he turns out to be a solid starter. So I'm
actually pretty bullish on bo Nicks and Sean Payton. Not
like they're gonna make the playoffs next year, but I
wonder if it's gonna work. I actually think it's gonna
work a lot better than just your average person that

(28:11):
talks about sports is like, oh, that's a terrible draft pick.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Speaking of Sean Payton. And you know, Russ had a
pretty good year last year considering what he had come
from previously. How's he gonna do in Pittsburgh and what's
up with justin fields like his? Field's gonna be a
package player at all?

Speaker 4 (28:29):
I think the hard part about once you move as
a player. And Cousins is a little like this too,
But he's they've invested so much money into you, you
know in pro sports, how much money I'm paying you
when you're not my drafted player kind of buys my loyalty.
He has no loyalty there, just on the simple fact
that they're giving him a million dollars a year. They

(28:52):
didn't have to pay him any money. So Russell Wilson
hasn't been good for a while now and at a
million dollar threshold for what he has to do to
make it worth you playing him. But Pittsburgh schedule is hard,
their divisions hard. The AFC is difficult if he's dinking
and dunking it. To me, his equity in that franchise

(29:15):
and with Mike Tomlin is very very small. In the
NFL is a place where the fan base has a
lot of juice because the owners watch the shows, and
they listen to the radio and the podcast, and they
know what's going on. And the Rooney family has watched
this long enough to know if you're not winning with
this guy early on, like you don't have you can't

(29:37):
start two and four and feel good about your playoff
chances that there's an extra team now with the expanded playoffs.
But still it's they got a little lucky last year,
you know, sneaking in at the end. Sure, I just
think people are going to be clamoring for just Hey,
I don't know if this guy's good or not, but
can we just see what Justin Fields has. Can we
put them with our offensive weapons and this new kind

(29:59):
of add two offensive line and see if we can
make him a good player? We just Arthur Smith, the
former Titans coach, is now their offensive or offensive coordinator,
is their new offensive coordinator. And while it didn't go
well for him in Atlanta, I mean you were there.
I mean it was what he did with Ryan Tannehill,
like he worked wonders. He deserved to get a shot

(30:20):
as a head coach. So I think if it starts slow,
for Russell Wilson, people are gonna want to see justin fields.
The other thing with the justin fields playing a different
position the new kickoff rule, because everyone is like five
yards apart. It's actually much more like an offensive play,

(30:41):
but even easier because if you bust a big run.
Let's say, if he's the quarterback and busts a forty
yard run, there are people at multiple levels. Right, you
have a defensive line, then you have linebackers behind them,
and then you have like safeties and dbs behind them.
This new kickoff rule, beside the kicker who's way back,
everyone is kind of at the same line, so you

(31:02):
don't need to make everyone miss. You might just have
to make a couple guys miss. So I think one
of their players, Jalen Warren, the running back, mentioned on
a podcast that you know, our special teams coach made
a joke about putting him back there, which would be
absurd in the normal kickoff because of injury and stuff.
But I don't know if you're gonna take these crazy shots,

(31:24):
and I wonder if actually he'd be pretty Taylor may
just like a lot of sweet offensive players, uh are
really fast, Like if you put Lamar Jackson back there.
You can't do it because of injury. You don't need
to make seven guys miss. You might just need to
hit a whole, break one tackle or juke one guy
and you're off to the races.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Have you watched much of the XFL or you know,
when they took the new kickoff rules that they're gonna
put in the NFL next year. Do they ever drop
back and have layers? Because you know, we just picture
like on side kick version, everybody rushes, But do they
do some of the guys drop back, like linebackers and
safeties just to make sure in case that first level's broken.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
I've just seen a couple of clips online and it
was all basically guys going forward. I do think in
the NFL you are going to have to have two
or three guys immediately kind of go to the hash
marks or go outside to the numbers to be a
safety valve. And if you don't do that immediately and
someone breaks a big run, I think that will change quickly.

(32:22):
I've watched a lot of press conferences, you know, the
first couple of weeks of rookie mini camps, and you know,
the coordinators talk and I think they all say the
same thing. They're all just messing with this. They're all
just trying different things. And the hard part about football,
unlike all these other sports, is you can't really manipulate

(32:42):
it until pads come on, and in the spring, pads
don't come on. So I'm sure all these teams are
doing different walkthroughs and you know, kind of fifty percent setups,
But until even training camp, do you want to tackle
your own guys? I would say these preseason games, which
have never meant less because no one plays their starters.

(33:03):
The number one thing, beside like evaluating young players on
your own team, teams are going to be kind of
locking into is trying different things out with this kickoff rule.
For sure, it.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Feels a bit like stand up, Like I can't practice
a joke to myself. If I'm touring doing stand up,
I can't practice joke to myself. I can't practice a
joke to really one person. If I'm doing music, I
can practice playing guitar, I can do the muscle memory,
but I don't know if a joke works until I
get it out in front of actual people and feel
what happens when I NOTT. It feels a bit like
what this kickoff rule is going to be? Like, We're

(33:35):
really not gonna know until we have to really see
it happen live and in real time.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
That's the thing with football. It's a lot like going
to the driving range. There's nothing like being on the
course and being like, Okay, this is not working. You
can practice it, you can rep it in preseason games,
but we all know the regular season feels dramatically different.
The level of talent on the field is dramatically different.
Sean Payton a couple of weeks ago, he thinks they

(34:01):
are going to be some crazy explosive place that he
thinks they're definitely going to be, you know, touchdowns and
plays that just weren't happening. I mean, part of the
reason they changed the rule is because you didn't need
to watch the kickoff anymore because teams, you know, I
think in the Super Bowl every kick went out of
bounce there there wasn't a return. I think it was
like twelve or twelve or thirteen for thirteen. And you know,

(34:22):
it's one thing years ago Belichick fought for with the
pat that like kicking snapping the ball from the two
yard line on a pat it was I mean close
to one hundred percent. When someone missed the old pat,
it was like, oh, Mike, what an awful kick. Now
it's still not you know, it's not fifty to fifty,

(34:42):
but it's closer to ninety percent, where there is just
a variable if your kickers, you know, kind of in
shambles or had missed some field goals. You're kind of
holding your breath after you score a touchdown, you know,
on the PAT. So I think the NFL, let's face it,
they had to change the rules because they got sued
for the CT and the concussion. So they've made the

(35:04):
violence of the game a lot different, which I grew up,
you know, in the nineties when it was a really
violent game, and there are aspects of that I definitely miss.
But they have tried to add some elements to make
the game a little more entertaining. And I do think
this is going to add a high level of entertainment.

(35:26):
And like you said, I don't think you can practice
it nearly well enough because of the rules in practice
to simulate what you're gonna see, not just in a
preseason game, but in again, let's say you're playing the
forty nine ers and they put Christian McCaffrey back there,
you know, or you're playing the Miami Dolphins and they

(35:47):
put Tyreek Hill back there. Right, it's not some practice
squad guy that you've been repping against in practice, So
it's very very It'd be like doing stand up comedy
and following like, hey, Dave Chappelle just played, Now is
up Bobby Bumps? Like good luck?

Speaker 2 (36:04):
The Netflix is you're gonna have Christmas Day games? Do
we know the cruise are going to be? Like what
are they gonna do for that?

Speaker 4 (36:10):
My guess is they are going to try to like
outsource it to one of the main networks because anyone,
you know, I guess the average fan might not know this,
but like when these teams or when these Fox or
CBS or NBC, it's ten trucks, So do they have

(36:31):
the infrastructure? Now? Financially, Netflix can easily purchase that. But
my gut would say it has not been announced, is
they would just outsource it to one of the major
networks and pay for their crews. But who knows. You know,
by by December, all the buys are done, so everyone's playing.
They might not have extra guys. I guess you could

(36:53):
use some college crews, but I'd be a little stunned.
Stunned would be strong. I guess I'd be a little
surprised if they're just two random guys that don't typically
do NFL games, Because part of this is, I don't
know where you stand on this, like this is the future,
Like this is not They're not just doing this to

(37:14):
try to get richer, even though they technically are because
Netflix is buying this. Think how much times have changed
in ten years with what we you know, consume watching,
the way we listen to stuff. You know, I just
went for a walk. I didn't bring my walkman, I
listened to a podcast, you know. So like it's no
different with streaming and Peacock with the NFL. Everyone pushes

(37:37):
back on that, like, guys, you know, the NBC as
we knew it in the nineties and the eighties and
the two thousand, like that's not going to exist as
currently constructed now. So the NFL is just looking forward
and guess what if this goes well, which I'm sure
it will on Netflix in five years, there might just
be oh, every Sunday at one o'clock, one of the

(38:00):
games is on Netflix, and the natural reaction on social
media will be like, this is crazy. I don't know
about you. When I get in bed, usually the first thing,
you know, especially if she has the remote she clicks on,
is Netflix, so it's not very difficult to access. And
I just think that this is not like where we're headed.
We're kind of already there. It's just within five years,

(38:23):
I think most of these games are going to be
on some sort of streaming platform.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
I can't tell you the last time I watched either
linear television or listen to something that wasn't on demand,
like a podcast.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
No.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
I mean that's just if you're forty years below, I'm
assuming that's pretty much all you do. And so what
was your first year in radio seventeen? So we're looking
at like ninety seven.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
And the power of that platform. There was nothing like it.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
It was a monster and it was the only and
now it's like it's so split into Sure, there's the
live version, but if everything I do is not available
on demand all the time for everybody in nine different places,
then you know there's a massive part of my audience
that only lives there. I have people that only know
this show through watching it on TikTok videos. So the

(39:14):
medium whatever that is, is completely different, and yeah, it's
gonna happen to sports too.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
Well, you know how I consume you is when you
have big country artists in studio. I don't know where
else to find it but YouTube. That's where I just
watched you had a Luke Combs interview I think last
week or I saw it on YouTube for the first
time last week, and I can assume you on YouTube.
Well YouTube's exist for a while, but let's face it,

(39:41):
the power of it, I would say, over the last
five years, has dramatically jumped. And I watch sports for
a living and I'm someone that cut the cord. Yeah,
me too, and I have YouTube TV, And obviously it's
a lot different than having whatever your local cable company is,
Cox or whatever, because you don't you know before you

(40:04):
would get on the guide, right, and at least I would,
and you would stumble upon movies and stuff like I
don't really stumble upon anything anymore. I know what I'm
looking for, and it has the algorithm of the things
I watch, whether it's ESPN or the main channels during
football season and the Food Network and CNBC, like it's

(40:24):
I basically just watched the same six or seven channels.
So the consumer changed with these companies changed, and it's
and you know, I mean, we're just not going back.
You have to look forward. In the NFL, I think
it's trying to strike that balance. But you know, forever
these owners, most of their wealth obviously has come from

(40:49):
the growth of the equity in their team, but the
money that they received, the large percentage of it is
from the TV networks. So Jerry Jones, the Marral family,
Rooney Family, like, a large percentage of their revenue and
cash flow comes from the loyalty of the money CBS, Box,
NBC and ABC has paid them well. Now, a lot

(41:10):
of those guys are super old, either in their late
seventies or their eighties or dying off, and their children,
like my parents were very, very loyal. If you were
doing like they had the same person landscaper for thirty
five years, and whether they did a bad job or
a good job, he was never going away. If someone
was gonna do if we were gonna redo tile in

(41:31):
a bathroom, it was gonna be the same family friend.
I'm just not the same. I'll just go I'll have
seven quotes I'll get the lowest price, and if it's
not working out, I'll change. And I think their children
represent that, and they are just realizing, like, let's face it,
Amazon and Netflix and if Apple TV wanted to get involved,
they just have way more money than these broadcast partners.

(41:53):
And these broadcast partners have a lot of money. I
mean they're paying billions of dollars every year. But if
Netflix wants to five x in a bit just to
be like, we'll just take the entire NFL, they can.
Like if them in Amazon were just like, hey, we'll
take it all. What's the NFL gonna say?

Speaker 2 (42:09):
No?

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Right?

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Three final questions? Eddie gets your Cowboys question, and I'm
sure you have one.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Go ahead, Yeah, John, Let's talk about my Dallas Cowboys
and the running back situation. Obviously, I was shocked that
they didn't draft a running back, and then now I
realize why they didn't draft a running back because they
had old Zeko Elliott in mind to come back.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
What's your whole thought on that, I would sit.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
In general, when you need a running back, it is
the one position. Now if you draft a guy super
high like Zeke when he was young and in his prime,
or Saquan they're clearly big time players. But if you
don't have that guy, you usually can find them. They
are guys off the scrap heap. There are practice squad guys.
It is the one position I would put, like guard

(42:53):
and center, Like you can find sometimes a guard or
center that no one's ever heard of that was drafted
this seventh round, that's been on three practice squads and
then he starts for you for a couple of years,
so you can manipulate that position from a cheaper standpoint.
And this was not a good running back draft. And
he can't really force a need, like he can't just

(43:14):
take a running back to take a running back if
you don't really like the guy. Obviously not an ideal situation.
I think the tough part about the Cowboys is the Eagles,
who had one of the biggest implosions we've ever seen
last year. They lost, like felt like they lost like
twenty games in a road end of the season and
they just flamed out. Their roster is good and they've
added good players this offseason, and you just if you

(43:36):
just look at the two rosters, the Eagles are better.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
I mean, the.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
Cowboys technically won the division because the Eagles fell apart
so bad, but they were kind of neck and neck.
Maybe the Eagles for the last year and a half
before the last month of the season were a little better.
Now it feels like it's switched and the Eagles are
clearly better. And I also think the kind of elephant
in the room is, you know, Jerry didn't extend Mike McCarthy,

(44:01):
so he's on the last year of his contract, and
unlike college football, there's no recruiting, so technically it doesn't matter,
but that adds to the conversation. If they, you know,
are two and three or they're five and five and
kind of on the it's like, is what's going to
happen here? And the other eulephant in the room is
Dakota Prescott, who is probably one of the more polarizing

(44:23):
players in the league. He's well established, he's a good quarterback.
He's had three straight years playing pretty well. But there
is no debating and listen, I'm a Niner guy. I've
seen him two of the last three years play the
forty nine Ers in the playoffs, once at home and
once on the road, and he throws interceptions and last
year the defense in that playoff game was it looked

(44:43):
like US six were out there, but he was bad.
And I do wonder if you just if Jerry plans
on playing both of them out, which is fine, But
when you're the Dallas Cowboys, when you're the Lakers, you know,
when you're the Yankees, you know in your music, when
you're Morgan Walling, like, there are more eyeballs on you.

(45:03):
So when things get weird, it's it's gonna be the
biggest conversation if you win whatever. But I think we
all agree that, like, are we sure Dallas is gonna
be a twelve win team anymore? And if you're not
a twelve win team, you're more of a nine to
ten win team. There are a lot of points in
the season where it can kind of break you because
the difference of a nine to ten win team and

(45:24):
a seven to eight win team might be like an
interception and a fumble. Right that the margins in the
nf this is not college football. The margins are really small.
So I think the Cowboys are on a slippery slope.
Now they bring back Mike Zimmer, who you know, old
school cowboy guy from the nineties. Dion loved him. Dan
Quinn is like a happy, uplifting, positive backwards hat. Mike

(45:50):
Zimmer's the opposite. This guy is like a throwback sixties seventies.
He could have been like Bear Bryant, staff f wards
every other word, just angry all the time. That now
he's good, he's a good defensive coordinator. But the vibes
with him and Dan Quinn and let's face it, the
defense has been pretty good for removing the playoff game

(46:14):
for a while. That that that's something to keep an
eye on, because Mike Zimmer's not mister happy.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
All right, Two final questions that answer, well, hey, you're
not mister happy. Who got the favor of the NFL
When the schedule came out you looked at and said, oh, dang,
that schedule, according to what we know now, does not
look to me that hard.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
I think the hard part about schedules is think about
if you have the Jets on your schedule last year,
you're like, that's gonna be a tough game, and then
he tears his achilles whatever five plays into the season. Injuries.
How often you know if you had the Bengals last year, like, oh,
the Bengals have been one of the best teams in
the league and then all of a sudden you're playing
the backup quarterback. So injuries changed so much. I think

(46:56):
the one thing the NFL has done, and this goes
back to what we were talking about streaming, is because
Amazon is so important to them moving forward, is they
don't put crappy teams on Thursday night football anymore. So
a lot of teams, especially the bigger brands like the
forty nine Ers, I think the Rams last year, the Steelers.
A lot of these teams get multiple Thursday night games,

(47:17):
and if you have multiple Thursday night games, that's really hard.
So to me, that's one that just is not something
that used to happen because basically every team got a
Thursday night game, and Amazon was like, we don't want
to play Panthers Falcons, Can you give us Niners Rams.
It's like, well, they've already both had a Thursday night game, Like, yeah,

(47:39):
we don't care. Can we get Packers, Cowboys? Can we
get whatever. I'm not saying that's a Thursday night game,
but that's an element that exists now. It happened last
year for the first time, and it's clearly something moving forward.
The other thing is for example, the Jets, I think
their schedule is pretty manage a manageable early. But to

(47:59):
open up up on the West coast on Monday night football, well,
if the game ends in San Francisco at like eight thirty,
by the time you shower, eat, get on the bus,
get back to the plane, you're not even leaving there
till probably closer to eleven thirty midnight, and then you
fly home. There's a three hour time difference. I mean,

(48:21):
the Jets are gonna get in probably when the sun
is coming up on the East coast, and then they
play again on Sunday. That's just a very very hard travel.
You know, it's much easier to do Monday night football
east back to West because you gain the hours. It's
way harder to do it on the flip side. So
that's that's tough first game for the old Aaron Rodgers

(48:41):
led Jets.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
All right, Final question, Joe Burrow, if he gets heard
of geting this year, do they have to look for
another quarterback?

Speaker 4 (48:46):
Have you seen there was a story out a couple
weeks ago that like the average surgery like on an
acl orn achilles or shoulder surgery, you know, is ninety
to ninety five percent success rate. That's like the going
rate in the medical community. I'm not a doctor, but
read it on Twitter that on this surgery with like

(49:07):
the hand wrist, it's actually much lower. It's like seventy
to seventy five percent, and there's like guaranteed inflation that
comes with it with your muscles and your wrist area.
So it's just now. I know, he kind of went
viral that he was throwing and felt good, but the
doctor said that it's gonna they're gonna have to be

(49:28):
careful with it. It's just something to keep an eye on.
I don't know where you stand. To me, he's one
of my favorite players since that year at LSU because
when he's on, he's as good as any and obviously
their receivers are sweet, and he's just a fun player
to watch. But that's pretty concerning, Like if, in a
weird way, you would rather pour your acl again than

(49:49):
have this kind of It's just not a normal injury,
I mean, when that ever happens. So reading that kind
of scares me a little bit. But I don't know.
I mean, they're so all their chips are in the
middle of the table because of the amount of money
they gave them and rightfully, so why would you not
have given him that money? And then he has this injury.

(50:11):
I would say it's pretty scary if you're a Bengal fan,
Like every time you're kind of holding your breath. It's
no different with Anthony Richardson who had a shoulder injury.
I think, similar to the one Cam had years ago,
that every time he plays until you prove that, like
you just when you get when you're laying on the
ground or when you get tackled that you're going to

(50:32):
get up, everyone's going to be holding their breath. And
that's the you know. The one crappy part about the
NFL is injuries just happen a lot more in these
other sports because of the violent nature. And it does feel,
I know that everyone acts like the quarterbacks are off
limits and they can't get touched. And relative to what

(50:53):
the league used to be one, I mean, you see
some of these like eighties or nineties mashups of seal
on the quarterback, You're like, how did Steve Young not
die right there? These quarterbacks still get injured a lot.
I think last year the number of quarterbacks that played
was close to seventy, so some I mean some of
these teams are and maybe some of this is like fighting,

(51:16):
like UFC or boxing. Part of getting ready for a
fight is building up the calluses getting hit, getting used
to it, and now no one's ever touched, and then
all of a sudden you go to a game where
you see these times coming out of the combine. Guys
aren't as big as they were. You know, Levon Kirklin

(51:36):
type players don't exist in football anymore. They're smaller and faster,
So yeah, they might not be as big. But the
speed in which all these guys run, I mean, all
these defensive linemen over the last three or four years,
some of them are running like four eight forties.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
You're like, how do.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
These human beings move this quickly? So it's just something
concerning in general with these quarterbacks because they're just not
used to getting hurt. It's it's honestly one of Lamar
Jackson's best attributes for being a running quarterback. He's great
at just like hitting the ground or running out of bounds.
It's it's a skill that I don't think he gets
enough credit for because he kind of scrambles around a lot.

(52:13):
But for the most part, he avoids massive, massive hits.
And you know it's not all Burrow's fault, but Burrow
has just taken a lot of big shots in a
short NFL career.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
John Middlecoff, you guys can follow him on Instagram at
John Middlecoff or just go to my page and see
who I'm following. You can find him there. Three and
Out Podcasts one of my favorite podcasts in the whole
wide world. So go check it out now the football season.
If you're not following, you should. John really appreciate the time,
big fan. Thanks for spending a few minutes with us today.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
You gotta get you on my podcast, Bobby, you don't
want that month down. You're coming on. I'll hit you
up and we'll get you sometime in the next month.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
All right, buddy, talk to you soon.

Speaker 7 (52:54):
All right.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Thanks to John Middlecoff.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
I do want it to know as a forty nine
Ers fan, well he.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Lived, grew up out there.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
When I've asked my Cowboys question.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Well you are a big Joe Montana fan.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Yeah, well I was as a kid.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
I love Joe Montana of course, and then he retired
and then your favorite all time.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
Player ooh, all time.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Don't not say it, man Smith.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
It's it's hard to say that because, like, I don't
know my childhood. Joe Montana was Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Read, That's what I'm trying to get is Joe Montana
is his favorite player, but he acts like he hates
the forty nine I do have.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
But but Joe Montana is not a forty nine er.
He's just a great quarterback.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
What okay, sorry, you know what I mean? He's a
chief to Eddie. Yeah, I was like, yeah, the can't
city chief. I love him, the legendary dude, the legendary chief.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
That's right, number nineteen.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
So we have somebody new that started with us today.
Uh can did you meet everybody here? Do you meet
all those guys? Pull up? Hi?

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Katie?

Speaker 6 (53:51):
Hi Katie.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
So Katie and I met when I went to talk
at the University of Arkansas. She was in your class
and the and then like the adult class. There were
like classes of freshman year, I mean an adult class. Well,
she was like in the older class, like people that
were about to graduate.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Guts, you're not like an adult topic class? No, okay
class where you teach?

Speaker 2 (54:11):
No, No, there were like freshman classes. I just didn't care.
But so I met her there and I told everybody.
I was like, hey, here's my email address. Just email
me whatever you need. And so she emailed me. It
was like can I intern? It? Tell me if my
story is wrong? Can I intern? And I was like, well,
we can't take interns, but you can just come here
for three months and I'll just pay you and you
can just work with us. That way, it's a real job.

(54:32):
It's like a freelance job. And so but she's not
done with school. So you just graduated.

Speaker 7 (54:37):
Yeah, I just graduated with my Bachelors of Journalism and
I've technically done with one year of grad school already
because i looped it with my senior year, so I've
got one year left and then i'll beat down with
my master's in May of twive.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
So what's the goal?

Speaker 8 (54:50):
The goal kind of just a wide range of things.

Speaker 7 (54:53):
That class that you came and spoke to actually opened
me up to a lot of different.

Speaker 8 (54:56):
Media jobs that they're out there.

Speaker 7 (54:58):
Originally I was thinking sideline broad casting, sideline reporting and
that kind of thing, which I'm still interested in that,
but honestly, just kind of anything in the multi media space,
storytelling of all different types.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
So that's multi media, not like you idiots, you gotta
do monomedia.

Speaker 6 (55:13):
What is multi media?

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Mono media? She came to the wrong place, so I
met her. I was like, hey, why don't you come?
You can work, just it's a job three months before
you go back to school. So she's going to be
here just doing all kinds basically what we all do,
all kinds of crap.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
So Katie, you like, just packed your bags and I'm
moving to Nashville pretty much.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Do you know anyone here?

Speaker 7 (55:38):
I have one friend that I went to school with
that lives here and she moved back after she graduated,
and so she's here. Other than that, just got one
friend who just moved to town for work. But yeah,
I have never been to Nashville before. And whenever we
were on that Zoom call, it was a Wednesday, and Bobby.

Speaker 8 (55:53):
Was saying, can you be here on Monday?

Speaker 3 (55:55):
And so Bobby, well, I was.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Like, if you want to work? And school was ending?

Speaker 8 (55:59):
Yeah, school was ending.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Second, you only got a short window, so can you
be If you can be here, I can start paying you.
That's kind of what it wasn't like be here?

Speaker 8 (56:05):
Yeah, yeah, I just know.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Bobby is very like we don't have a lot of
time away, so we're gonna do it.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Let's go.

Speaker 7 (56:10):
I was excited whenever he said that, because I was
eager to start as soon as possible. But so packed
my bags and I was on the road Tuesday morning
by eight am.

Speaker 8 (56:18):
Never been to Nashville before, and here I am.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
So, So, what do you do journalism wise at University
of Arkansas?

Speaker 7 (56:26):
Yeah, so back there, I'm the sports director for our
campus news station. It's called UA TV, and with that,
I have a staff of about eight anchors that.

Speaker 8 (56:34):
Go on every week.

Speaker 7 (56:36):
They go on Monday through Thursday, and then we also
have a sports specialty show called The Sports Advantage, which
that's my favorite thing that we do.

Speaker 8 (56:42):
We do a whole lot of different content there. We do.

Speaker 7 (56:46):
I just kind of tell people it's just a mixing
bowl of all different things. We've got a girl who
covers rodeo. We've got some guys who do NFL stuff regularly.
We've got hockey, you've got f one racing, and there's
lots of roundtables and just kind of anything people want
to talk about, whether it's a solo segment or a
combo roundtable thing.

Speaker 8 (57:01):
We just get creative with it, and that's my favorite part.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Did you play sports going out?

Speaker 4 (57:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (57:06):
So I always joked that the only recognition I ever
got from my athletic ability was for academics. You know,
you get those all academic.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
So like Walter Payton, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (57:17):
Go ahead, pretty much. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (57:18):
So I played basketball and volleyball all the way up
into high school and then a little bit of track,
which I always laugh at that story because I think
they the coaches kind of got a kick out of
me just being a track athlete in general, because I'm
definitely not made.

Speaker 8 (57:32):
For that, and they didn't have a spot for me
in track.

Speaker 7 (57:35):
And one day they sent me over to shot put,
and I mean, I don't have the physique for shotput,
but I was out there with the O line and
throwing that as hard as I could, and just let's
just say I didn't get any recognition for that.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Pretty tall though, Yeah, I'm five to eleven, I'm six.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Ft And what is your favorite sport to watch?

Speaker 3 (57:59):
Or cup?

Speaker 8 (58:00):
Or basketball? For sure? If I could pick a specific area.

Speaker 7 (58:04):
Of basketball, it'd be the eighties to nineties basketball era.
But you know, we can't get back to that right
now with.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
All the fouling and fifty. That's the end of the game.
Sean Kemp had six points and let all scores.

Speaker 8 (58:16):
It was grittier, it was grittier. I liked it. I
liked the hustle back then, do you play two k No?
I don't. I don't play any video games. Actually so smart.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
So what about now do you watch?

Speaker 3 (58:29):
Like?

Speaker 7 (58:29):
What?

Speaker 2 (58:29):
What's your favorite thing to focus on? Sports wise? Now?

Speaker 8 (58:32):
College basketball? I'm a big college basketball fan.

Speaker 7 (58:34):
And then, like you guys were talking about earlier women's basketball,
you know, gotten more into that watching Angel Reese and
Caitlyn Clark.

Speaker 8 (58:41):
And all them kind of create a new narrative for it.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
So I've been don't get me started.

Speaker 8 (58:45):
I won't.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
Yeah, she was here, as you heard, Hey, I.

Speaker 8 (58:50):
Agree with you, she was here.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Listen, there are a lot of great people. There may
be better players, but don't take the person who's actually
changing the league and getting people to watch and try
to minimize her because it make because your ego hurts anyway.

Speaker 7 (59:03):
That's actually something that me and my friends were talking
about with Kaitlyn Clark specifically, is that the media will
build someone up just so that they can tear them
down again and.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
We saw all the time.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
Yeah, sometimes we saw that a.

Speaker 7 (59:13):
Lot with Kaitlyn Clark, especially in her college gameplay. I mean,
because it was she was getting a lot of attention,
and then it was oh, she's dramatic out there on
the court, Oh she's got a bad attitude, or oh
she thinks she deserves every foul call. And it was like, well,
I mean, you guys, she was playing like that before
you started giving our attention.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
So game three, when I was watching her play the Liberty,
she was dropping a bunch more f bombs. Could tell
she was getting more comfortable. Yeah, like being a leader
on the floor girl. Yeah, well no different dropping. Did
you have you watched any of her games? Not in
the w you're not a fan like me a w BA.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
I watched.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
I watched all three of the games. All of them.

Speaker 4 (59:43):
Like she would throw.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Like bounce passes through people as someone was cutting and
it would hit them in the knee and they'd miss it.
She'd be like f half look, not yelling at them,
but just like frustration that nothing was working. And I
was like, oh, you can tell she's starting to feel
it now, like she's she's starting to kind of understand
her role which is it's probably hard to go in
as you're a college junior last year on the worst team,

(01:00:07):
and I think the year before the fever. So I've
heard also had a high maybe the number one and
number two. No, maybe the number two pick. They took
the girl from South Carolina. But she has to be
the leader on this team now, and it's gonna be
a weird spot to be young two three games in
have all this pressure and be like, screw it. It's
not for me to just do what I do. And
you can see her start to do that now. So

(01:00:31):
I'm not even a fan that much.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
It sounds like you are.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
No, I'm I'm not a fan of how unfairly one
that she's being traded in. Two I'd like to see
the league actually do well. But it's like they're they're
cutting off the nose despite the face whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
My grandma used to say, Yeah, it sounds that kind
of sounds right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Yeah, something like that. Well, we're glad you're here.

Speaker 8 (01:00:51):
Yeah, I'm glad to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
There is there is no we don't there's really no
process to well, there's just a lot of stuff. What
we do, Yeah, yeah we do. But I'm gonna have
her working on a lot of stuff. Okay, cool, anything
before we go? Read how you been, buddy?

Speaker 6 (01:01:06):
I've been great?

Speaker 7 (01:01:07):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
Did you bet on any of the w NBA games? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
And I hit Caitlin Clark covering and he's Game three?

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Are you betting on that? Read?

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
No, dude, I'm retarding.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
I did try to log in yesterday and it still
said it was blocked. So you blocked yourself?

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
Why would you know?

Speaker 6 (01:01:23):
I was just making straight?

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
We are you trying to relapse?

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Was that that was called You're trying to fall off
the wagon, but no, get back on it? Well, falling
off the wagon would mean.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
That means you you're you're drinking again, But that means
he's trying to fall off the wagon, right, Oh yeah, yeah, okay,
so you're on the wagon and you're trying to jump off,
but he's trying to.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Yeah, but I didn't let him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
For those that don't know, Reid was winning exactly a lot,
was gambling on DraftKings responsibly, and he was winning like
stupid amount. So he calls the eight hundred number to say,
please cut me off because I'm afraid of what I
can do it's very responsible, thank you. But the fact
that you're like just like putting your toes in the

(01:02:03):
water going, I wonder if I give back, I know,
but I'm like, you should be blocked off then, I know,
because I'm not going to contact them to open it again.
I was just gonna be like, I'm just gonna test
this out see if they actually did block it. I
was gonna ask you guys, if you if you don't mind,
I was gonna ask, do you have any tickets eddie anything?

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Man, just I'm just glad that basketball is over for
a little bit of youth basketball because my kids are
all done. However, we did do tryouts last night for
another team, and tryouts is tough, man Like. There must
have been fifty kids there and I bet they were probably.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
What the about something? My gay dude, this is what
you do.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
When I'm telling a story. No, you're not allowed to get.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Out go ahead, bad back.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
No. I just you know, my kids are like nine
and ten, and it's cool. I like taking them through
these tryouts just to kind of get the tryout.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
But it's brutal, man like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Sometimes these teams, like the team last night, they're only
gonna do two teams of ten, so that's twenty kids
that they're gonna accept. There's fifty kids there, and there's
already a group of kids that have already been on
the team. So when you go to a tryout, there's
probably only two slots for thirty kids. Yeah, and it's
just tough because like they're really putting a lot of
pressure on themselves, like, oh am I gonna make the team,

(01:03:23):
but probably not. There's two slots and there's fifty kids,
You're probably not gonna make the team.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
And also it's probably a bit like when I I
did American Outo for four years, we weren't always looking
for the best singers, or sometimes we're looking for types
of singers to fill the gaps. Yeah, so I'm not
even saying types of players in that way. But maybe
they need big guys or they have too many big
guys and they need guards. But your kid's a big guy.
You know, those are factors too.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
What's funny too, is that so many kids go into
these tryouts and they're like, I'm gonna show them everything
I got.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
They do three on three drills.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
And so there's the kid that will never pass the ball.
He's holding the ball between his legs around the back,
little Euro step. But the coaches are like, pass the ball.
I want to see how you play with other kids.
I can see how you handle with your drills.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Like and it's funny because all these kids like, I'm
not going to pass the ball at all, And I
don't know. I just learned a lot from this. This
whole tryout experience pretty weird.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
I never saw you what do you mean, well him,
I ever saw you on the weekends. Is when I
went out to watch you kids play.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
You were Oh, dude, I've been in basketball like for
every weekend and even you're straight on Saturday, I woke
up at seven thirty to make an eight uh an
eight thirty game across town, and I didn't get home
till like seven thirty at night.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
It's just like that. It's every weekend is like that.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
But I talked to other parents who are like, hey,
I did a travel team and we drove to like Chicago. Yeah,
and we got eliminated the first week, the first game,
the first two games, and we're like, all right, I'm
just head back.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
That suck, like, so I'm like, I'm glad I'm not
doing that, uh.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Kevin, Yeah, that's rough.

Speaker 6 (01:04:51):
Celtics Pacers. I'm excited, but I think.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
The pitchers have a shot. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
I think so too.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Talk about a team that passes and plays well. Yeah,
like Miles Charged scored the least amount of points and
they still had seventeen.

Speaker 5 (01:05:03):
Yeah, yeah, that's how they play. They look good. And
Halliburton's playing really well again. And Celtics.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
He looked lost for a while, didn't he.

Speaker 5 (01:05:10):
Yeah, he was going through rough stretch the last half
of the season beginning of the playoffs.

Speaker 6 (01:05:14):
But the Celtics are just so up and down. I
just don't know what to think.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Supports it's gonna play.

Speaker 5 (01:05:20):
He's out in the first two games for sure, and
game three is still up in the air. They said
two first games, he's out. I know, everyone you know
gets on them because they don't blow all these teams out.
But at the end of the day, they've only.

Speaker 6 (01:05:31):
Lost two games so far, which is pretty good. I
know they haven't really played the best teams, but I'm
just saying.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Yeah, they played us. I'm just saying, so we've played,
we played for the fever, we almost went the next
and we're basically every team that Boston's played. Yeah, but
I am nervous. Yeah, we're supposed to supposedly supposed to
go to U Saint Louis on Thursday afternoon. Go. Yeah,
so we're gonna go and spend some time with Jim
Edmonds on Thursday afternoon, and then Friday go to the

(01:06:01):
Cardinals and uh talk with their manager. And what's funny
is I have a Paul gol shmant helmet here on
my desk, and that's who we're gonna right supposed to
be working with a little bit talking with. What I'm
nervous about is I tore my rotator cuff. Look to
two minor tears. We're not concerned me telling my wife,

(01:06:21):
I'm like, there's those of all. That's why I never
like played it up. I never wanted to play it up.
So it'd be like, well, you probably shouldn't go to
Saint Louis. Actually maybe have one big rip. I just
didn't say anything because I so I got too easy,
had some rotator cuff injuries. I think I've developed some
tendonitis in there though now, which is normal, but it
sucks and it hurts. But I don't know if I
can throw, meaning I haven't thrown a single ball since

(01:06:42):
I've since you know. I think I tore it at
Florida State. I heard it works at Oklahoma State Softball
and then Arkansas it was just dead. But I haven't.
I haven't thrown it all.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Should I bring the glove over?

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
I think you should come over a little bit early. Yeah,
if you can, and we should throw a little bit.
You have a baseball though, I do. I got plenty
of baseball baseball. I bought two gloves. I got left gloves. Yeah, no,
two lefty gloves and used gonna break one. Plan have
to break it in smart. So we're supposed to go

(01:07:14):
to Saint Louis and do that. I'm very much looking
forward to that. Here's my problem. It's not a problem
because I'm not gonna let it be a problem. I'm
I'm been a lifelong Cubs fan and they're playing the Cubs.
Oh no, but i am. I'm a guest of the Cardinals.
That that's it the end. I'm not wearing any.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
Cub stuff, not even underneath.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
I don't think. So it didn't do anything for me.
It should be we'll go to the game, we'll fly
back right after the game. It'll be a ton of
fun and it's gonna be awesome. Yeah, it should be fun.
But I'm not people asking are you gonna wear a cup? No,
I'm there with the Cardinals. I'm not gonna wear Cardinals stuff,
but I'm not gonna wear Cub stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
But if you're like, say you're on the field right
before the game whatever, and they're like, oh god, there's
a Cub, you can say hi to any of them.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Dude, they're like twenty years old. What do I care
about it?

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
You wouldn't want to meet anyone.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
I'd like to meet the older ones like that are
way older than me.

Speaker 6 (01:08:05):
Do you have a favorite player right now on the
team and the Cubs.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Well, just depends. I got a few rookies. It's all cards.

Speaker 7 (01:08:11):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Cards are just a little stock.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
Oh no, you're not taking cards?

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Are listening cards? Or I figured out why I like
them now again, they're just little stocks, just a little gambling.
You just buy a box and see what you got.
And some of them more, some a lot aren't, and
if you hold them, it's just that's all it is.
It's basically cardboard gambling.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
Are you going to play golf again?

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
I've not played one time. I understand, I know you
and replayed. I saw it on my phone, yes, and.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
We were waiting for your call and you never called us.
Oh I was asleep, remember, well, then how did you
see us?

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
When I woke up? I saw you guys in like
sixteen or something.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
Such a stalker, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
It pops up whenever you guys are playing golf.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
Did you see the score? I murdered him. No, you
didn't murder Yes I did.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
We were tied, still alive.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
Technically he had incredible chip though for a birdie.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Yeah, thank you. Yeah, dude from like way off the green.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
I haven't played one time, and I have a club, like,
not a golf club, like I'm a.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Mayor any more than one club.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
I still have. My shoulders been killing me.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
Okay, but I didn't know if you were.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
You're doing cards instead of golf because you get obsessed
with certain things, so that sort.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
I told my wife. She was like, what this obsession?
When does it? Because it was watermelon, then it was
memorabilia watermelon. When I was eating watermelon like ten times a.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Day, where is the cereal in there?

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Cereal all the time? But I have no cereal in
my house right now. So I do get obsessed with things.
And I told my wife I go back to being
obsessed with golf and be gone all the time, like
that was some.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
Sort of like tactics on all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
But I supposed to go, and I'm looking forward to
going to work and hang out with the much hated
of my whole life Cardinals, because I'm an adult man
and that stuff's not real.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
What rivalries they are real, they're not. You're not gonna
send me to Philadelphia watch the Eagles play.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Yes, we would, and you would go. Probably would be
it fun, Like I would go. This would be a
tough one. I would go, and we do it too much.
Access at Texas be tough for me. But then it's
like I hate the long Horns, right, I hate the
long Horns like the worst. But really, I'm an adult
and when it comes to doing work, I don't know,
I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
That's tough.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
That's the hardest one of any of them in the
history of my life. That one would be tough. So
all right, to make it happen. Then we're done. I
think that's it. Good show. Thanks to John middlecoff and
we will see you guys. I don't know, maybe later
next week or something. Patty blow to whistle, all right,
we'll see you guys next time.

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