25W: We Have Possibly Blown our Final Whistle + Super Bowl 58 Preview + 2X Super Bowl Champion Tony Casillas + Our Visit to Wichita with Wichita State Men's Basketball

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's a podcast called twenty five wist Stocking Football and
they are whist So, yeah, it's too bad, But what
don't you expect? It's a podcast called twenty five.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Whistles twenty wine. Hello, welcome. It could be our last
show ever. What do you mean why it could be?

Speaker 3 (00:24):
No, like somebody dies over the weekend. What do you mean.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Our contract runs through the super Bowl, then it's over.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
No one told me this.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
It's always been that.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Oh my goodness. All right, boys, make it the best
show ever.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
Originally.

Speaker 5 (00:41):
Yeah, like last year we did like seventy for twenty
five and this year we signed double then last year
meaning double episodes fifty even we did more than that,
and it was all the way up until the super Bowl.
This is probably unless they renew last year. We renewed
up until NCAA basketball. But I've not hurt anything about that.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
We'll get on it, man, I made every call.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Really, it's super Bowl week.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yeah, they're busy.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
It's hard to get hold anybody. So this could be
the last show.

Speaker 6 (01:09):
Hey, it's been good.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
You want me to blow it one last time?

Speaker 7 (01:12):
Well, let me do this.

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Speaker 2 (01:30):
That's it.

Speaker 5 (01:31):
I thought you said best ever, but now I'm like,
it's could be our last. Who cares well, what a
way to go out there. Two times Super Bowl champion
Tony Casi is on with us.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
It's coming up.

Speaker 5 (01:42):
And also Paul Mills, head coach of Wichitall State Basketball
and assistant coach Quincy Acy who played in the NBA
for a bunch of teams and guard Xavier Bill.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
So that's coming up. So we're gonna have a heck
of a possibly last show.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Maybe not Okay, I do not know.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Give me send a message right now.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
And ask please just say like, hey, we're wondering what
to do. We're recording our last show right now.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Oh we're not wondering what to do.

Speaker 8 (02:03):
I know what to do.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Just do the show.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Oh what do you mean? We still just do it?

Speaker 2 (02:06):
You want to just quit mid mid. I don't understand
what we do different.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Someone tells me, hey, you're gonna die like in the
next thirty minutes, I'd be like, cool, all right, see, yeah,
you just.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Said do the best show ever. Then you blew the whistle,
but yeah, you're all over.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
It changed my mind quickly.

Speaker 5 (02:20):
Hold on, hey man, it's uh after ten here Ceral time.
I don't know where you are, if you're in Vegas
for the super Bowl yet or not. We are doing
our very last twenty five whistles that we know of.
I'm with all the guys now and they were a
bit shocked. This is our last show unless you have
heard that we're getting renewed at all for any weeks

(02:42):
or for NCAA basketball. If you have any new information,
please let us know. And I'm sitting with them now.
Anything you want to say, Yeah, we need it, man,
we need more episodes.

Speaker 6 (02:53):
We're not done yet.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
All right, man, talk to you soon.

Speaker 8 (02:56):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
I won't to have a job. Who was there? Who
was that mister Drapkings was mister oh well, that's cool
for sure?

Speaker 3 (03:07):
In Vegas.

Speaker 5 (03:08):
It was actually Kevin Lagrette, who was head of iHeartRadio
Sports from Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
So we'll see what's up.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
I know, I know who he is.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
All right, let's go to what's possibly the final tittle tattle?
Oh no, no, no, all right, let's go even do it.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
The last tattle. Read's now jumping into it, redoing it.
Never ever does you talk? And now he jumps in.
He's losing it.

Speaker 9 (03:45):
We're going crazy. Well, super Bowl weekend it's here. What
is your favorite headline heading into the big game?

Speaker 8 (03:53):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (03:53):
I got mine?

Speaker 5 (03:54):
Well, so the headlines, for example are Taylor Kelsey, Will
Taylor make the make it?

Speaker 3 (04:00):
That's a big one.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
Patrick Mahomes is if he wins again, will he be
a step closer being the greatest of all time? If
he doesn't win, is he a step closer to being
the greatest of all time? Just getting there?

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Rock party? Is he legit or not?

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (04:13):
I like that one.

Speaker 5 (04:14):
Andy Reid chasing Belichick the same way that Mahomes is
kind of chasing Brady if he wins another one, He's
in that conversation for sure. Kyle Shanahan back at it
after one lost Super Bowl last time, but also twenty
eight to three when they were up on the Patriots
in Atlanta. He was the offensive coordinator, so this is

(04:36):
his vindication. Ish the two top defenses. My favorite storyline.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Of all of that A lot to choose from.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
What interests me the most. I guess my favorite storyline
is will I win this money? Because I haven't cashed
out of it?

Speaker 3 (04:56):
You haven't seen that storyline, the headline.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
It's mine though, because I did all these futures on
Kansas City.

Speaker 6 (05:01):
Is that up anywhere?

Speaker 3 (05:02):
No, man, it's in Bobby's Bobby's publication.

Speaker 5 (05:04):
It's a story that I'm doing now in my head.
I was like, what most interests me about this game?
It's that I have all these futures on Kansas City.
I haven't made any bets on the game itself, and.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
You haven't cashed out any of those.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
I've done a couple of prop bets. I've not cashed
out anything.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
We told you what to do. Is it just a
bit when you ask us for advice?

Speaker 2 (05:21):
No, it's not. But a lot of times when you
say stuff, I do the opposite.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
I mean, I get it, And that's why I asked.
When we see the outcome, You're like, I good call.

Speaker 5 (05:29):
Who do you think wins the game? Because mine is
there's no points mine was just a future to win
the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
I think the Chiefs win the game.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
That's what most people think.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
That's my prediction. Yeah, except Vegas, except Vegas. You're right, correct, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, who wins the game?

Speaker 6 (05:47):
The Chiefs?

Speaker 10 (05:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (05:49):
If I yeah, if you're holding a gun to my head,
I hot and say the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
You just put it on the quarterback, you think.

Speaker 6 (05:53):
Yeah, at the end of the day, like like what
what what do you say around here?

Speaker 8 (05:57):
Gott to be the man.

Speaker 5 (05:58):
You gotta beat the man exactly. Also, can't City's defense,
although young, they're really good. I have one cash out
that I could do right now for one thy ninety
seven dollars.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
That's the one we told you. I just think I'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Roll, Yes, roll dogget.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
With raw Doggett.

Speaker 9 (06:19):
All right, next question, all right, do you think Kyle
Shanahan needs to win the Super Bowl in order to
get put in the Andy Reid category?

Speaker 5 (06:25):
Well, yeah, Andy reads in the category of is he
the greatest of all time? And if he wins this one,
he'll be in that category. Now he's that guy in
the precipice of being possibly the one of the greatest
of all time. But he needs to win a super
Bowl because the Niners have been really good. He's been
really good, but twice his teams have choked. He listened,

(06:47):
he didn't play defense, he didn't coax the defense when Atlanta,
but they also didn't score, you know, yeah, so that sucks.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
In the San.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
Francisco they had it. Yeah, Jimmy g throw a bad back.
But again, it's never just on one play. There are
also always many decisions that lead to one play. But
I think he needs to win the super Bowl to
be considered one of the I mean, it's just like
a ring, even though it's always not fair. You get
a ring, you're considered a level higher than nobody who
doesn't have a ring, even if the person who doesn't

(07:19):
have the ring is better. For example, when people compare
like now read, who would you say it was a
better quarterback, knowing what you know, Eli Manning two super
Bowl wins or Jimmy wis Dan Reno played all No?

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, like who would you have as your quarterback? But
I've heard better things about Dan Marino. You've heard better things. Yeah,
I would say Peyton's better than Eli, right, yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
We're talking about Eli and Dan. Right, let's comparison.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
All I would say is a lot of people don't
give Dan Reno the credit possibly be one of the
greatest ever because he has no rings. Charles Barkley same thing,
no rings. I think he needs a ring. He's been
to the Super Bowl twice falcons of Niners. He's reached
the NFC Championship five times. He's known as one of
the greatest offensive minds. None owns a guy that makes
grea adjustments at halftime but just can't win the big game.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
It's got to be much easier for Andy Reid too.
When your quarterbacks Patrick Mahomes, you got Shanahan, You're just
like God.

Speaker 5 (08:09):
To be fair Andy Reid's quarterbacks, Patrick Mahomes, because Patrick Mahomes,
Andy Reid, meaning all these quarterbacks and Andy Reid systems
from Alex Smith to Dante Culpepper to whomever.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
They always that's you want to be in his system?

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Oh wow, I didn't really.

Speaker 9 (08:21):
But until like when they won it four years ago.
Now he had that monkey on his back too, Andy Reid.
You know, he went to the NFC Championship what four
years in row with the Eagles, couldn't get it done,
and then they lost to the who oh the Patriots? Yeah,
I think right, ye, No, four.

Speaker 5 (08:36):
We don't care, we don't hate the Patriots, and not
really prove him. Man, it's the last show and you're
being all spiteful tittle tattle.

Speaker 9 (08:42):
Next, all right, the quarterback is a heavy favorite to
win the MVP. But if you had to pick one
non QB, who would it be easy?

Speaker 5 (08:48):
I know McCaffrey is the dude that probably is gonna
get the ball and it will be the factor. However,
I think that I think people would love for it
Kelsey to be the MVP.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Oh gosh, I hope and if it's close, yes please no.

Speaker 5 (09:02):
So the problem is, if Kansas City wins, Mahomes is
probably the MVP, and if San Francisco wins, most likely party,
but it also could be one of those other guys.
It could be anybody from AYUK or Debo. But for
Kansas City to have Kelsey be the MVP, is Kelsey
scoring like three touchdowns? Because if Mahomes throws three, Kelsey

(09:24):
catches all three. Kelsey is gonna get the benefit of
that doubt because of Taylor, just because it's easier to
throw a touchdown because you have all these options and
to catch a touchdown when you're the only option just
a numbers game. Yeah, So I think Kelsey would be
hilarious to win. And I think if it's even he'll
get it. And this is a big deal too, because

(09:44):
if he retires after this year, we're not going to have.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
He's getting married.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
He's not gonna tire. And I don't know that he's
getting married.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
That's what they're saying.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
They said that about every tailor romance.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
True.

Speaker 9 (09:55):
Yeah, right, next up the last one. Let's do a
two parter because it could be the last one ever. Right,
Usher is set to perform. So are you excited about Usher?
And number two? Who out of an artist or a
band that you haven't seen perform there at the super Bowl?

Speaker 6 (10:07):
Would you like to see?

Speaker 5 (10:08):
I don't want any of my favorite people to ever
perform at halftime in the Super Bowl because all it
does is create haters. So one of my favorite yeah,
imagine one of my favorite bands. Let's say Foo Fighters
goes out and plays and freaking rocks it. It doesn't
matter how good they play. My wife's gonna be like,
why these old dudes up?

Speaker 2 (10:23):
They're playing?

Speaker 5 (10:24):
And people and then people who just want to complain
and be like that sucked even though it was great,
because they do it to everybody. So I don't want
my favorite band to play that halftime show.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
It's not worth it.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
I think like a Beaber or an ed Shearon would
be cool because generally they're liked and there's really not
a lot they can do to make people like them
less because what they do you already get it. They
go out, they play their music, they sing at Sharon
especially it's guys a guitar, you'd be good.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah, I think that would be cool, or like.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
I just wouldn't do it if I were like somebody,
though that depended so much on the vocals, Like if
you were like an Adele for example, Oh yeah, because
it's so she's so good vocally that if they happen
to mess that up a little bit where it's not
exactly perfect, it didn't live up to the Adele standard.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Well, they lip sync it too, right.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Sometimes sometimes in some of it, but not all of
it all the time.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, like they turn it off when they're like thank
you super Bowl.

Speaker 10 (11:15):
Well.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
I think they also sing with their track sometimes too,
because it's been a thing where it's like, oh, their liptaking.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
I think they missed the boat on this one huge
opportunity and not how Taylor do it?

Speaker 5 (11:22):
They couldn't mean I believe the sponsor maybe it was
last year, the sponsor that the pepsi coke thing apple
this year. And also why would Taylor doesn't she doesn't
need it, No, because they don't even pay it.

Speaker 6 (11:35):
It doesn't pay it just for the followers and promotion. Yeah,
she definitely doesn't need.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
It first person ever.

Speaker 7 (11:41):
Right now?

Speaker 2 (11:42):
All right, that's the final tittle Tattle, Thank you stupid.
The tittle Tattle.

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Speaker 10 (12:18):
I like that.

Speaker 5 (12:20):
Because you get two defenses and I'm going Kelsey over
seventy point five receiving yards.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yeah, let's go.

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(12:57):
over to our chat with two time Super Bowl champion Eddies.
Dude who you guys sat with him in the suite
at the Cowboys game.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Oh dude, Yes, it's awesome. I have his phone number.
And how you got him on the show. Yeah, got
his number.

Speaker 8 (13:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
I told him all about what we do and everything.
He's like, cool, man's get me on your podcast. We'll see.

Speaker 5 (13:14):
So he requested you and then you said we'll see dude,
and I said we'll see Elan.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
That's not how it happened.

Speaker 6 (13:19):
Yes, please, please come on our podcast.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
Do we love It?

Speaker 11 (13:22):
Tony.

Speaker 5 (13:23):
Tony was a nose tackle who went back to back
Super Bowls with the Cowboys in the early nineties. Right,
he won a natural championship at Oklahoma, Big big Boomer,
Sooner guy.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Him and Eddy became best friends. Did you write this?

Speaker 3 (13:34):
I did not, but that's a great description.

Speaker 5 (13:37):
Him and Eddy became best friends, and they met in
Dallas for a game this year and I grew stronger
during this. Okay, anyway, here he is at Tony Casillas.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (13:45):
Do you consider yourself or do you think that you
get called out more for being a Sooner legend or
a Cowboys super Bowl champion? If you're just somewhere, who
are you mostly Tony the Sooners All American or Dallas
Cowboy champion?

Speaker 12 (14:00):
Well, I'll tell you what with my Super Bowl ring,
I'm just this old old guy with the Super Bowl ring.
And you know it's a funny thing about as a cowboy.
You're living in Dallas, and man, it's just been you know,
Dallas has been this toxic relationship for so many years.
I think everyone just hears the same thing and you
know it's going to change, But you never change, and
you break up and you go back together. You know,

(14:22):
I think probably living in Dallas. You know, I've been
out of the game for so long, but uh, you know,
the true true fans remember you. Uh you know, Dallas.
It's such an Unfortunately, as I mentioned, it's been so
long since we've done anything relevant, and which is okay,
we just have to reminisce about it the old times.

(14:43):
But I think, oh, you, football is something that always
be in my DNA. God, I had so many great memories.
I think when I go back to Oklahoma, yeah, a
lot of people, you know, they recognize my work. And
in regardless of how do you get, there's some there's
a yoke between you and the fan base. And I

(15:04):
think that that's the beauty of that. The beauty of
I think when I look at playing the game of
football is how lucky I've been to be able to
play on championship teams because a lot of fans, the
fan base will forget different players and different groups of generations,
but they have the tendency not to forget hopefully the

(15:27):
history and understand that. And I think in Oklahoma is
obviously a great case for that. But you know, Dallas
is such a Again, it's just it's been such a
long time, and so people have to we have to
be relevant somewhat with the guys that played in the
Super Bowl thirty years. As weird as that sounds, unfortunately,

(15:50):
that's where we're at now, which is not my it's
not my undoing. I tell everyone I have nothing to
do with it, and we just did what we did,
and I do I do tell people. You were just
born at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Speaker 5 (16:02):
So would you rather if you had to pick one, Oh,
you won a national championship next year, first year in
the SEC, or the Cowboys won the Super Bowl?

Speaker 11 (16:08):
Damn, that's a great question because you.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Only get one.

Speaker 12 (16:12):
Uh Uh, I don't know. I think that's a great question.
I'm gonna I'm gonna go with Dallas. I think Oklahoma
and let it's gonna take some transition for them to
get used to the SEC, and you know, I think
they'll win. But it's I think the parody is a

(16:32):
little different. I think the Big Twelve had some great
teams in it, or some teams, you know, with the
trans support and the nil you guys know, it just
changes everything. It's just you can't really get any gauge
on any team because they changed so much. I'm looking
for that answer. I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go
with Dallas because I think that they're we and here

(16:54):
I am following it's not even it's not even preseason yet,
because that's usually what everyone does. Our year, this is
our year, Yeah, this is our year, or it's yeah,
it's our year until it gets to the postseason play
and him, We're like, what the hell just happened the
last seventeen weeks.

Speaker 11 (17:14):
But I don't know.

Speaker 12 (17:14):
I think it's gonna be interesting. And you know this,
what's the bonds is what you know, Bobby, is that
my daughter went to Arkansas. So I'm a big Arkansas
FN and I know John Daly and I know he's
a huge obviously he's he bleeds uh you razor back.
But I love going to Arkansas. I love going to
I love the SEC and environment and everything that goes

(17:35):
along with that. And but it's just that's a that's
a man's that's a big boy conference. So but I'm
gonna go with Dallas. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna
continue on. It's gonna be our year, and damn, I
just want them.

Speaker 11 (17:52):
I just want them to.

Speaker 12 (17:54):
Go back while I'm still here. I mean, is that
too much ass? Let's just keep our fingers cross man.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
That's not too much to ask. I think that's that's
that's perfect. But Tony, let me ask you this. You
were there when Jimmy Johnson did the famous how about
them Cowboys? What was that like in person? I mean,
obviously you were on top of the world when that happened,
but that's something we will as Cowboys fans will say forever.
And you were there.

Speaker 11 (18:20):
But here's the thing. I remember.

Speaker 12 (18:23):
You know, he got inducted the Ring of Honor, guys
went back for his players. He wanted to make sure
that we're able to come back and experience that, which
was long overdue. But when he when he came out
there and the last thing you said, I think we're
all just anticipating that happened, but when he said it,
how about them Cowboys? It just it's just very vivid

(18:45):
because I remember, after, you know, we won the Super Bowl,
that he that's the words that came out of his
after the after the game, after we won the game.
And it's so vivid because hadn't changed. You know, Jimmy's older,
but his his his delivery and his communication with us

(19:09):
in the locker room was the thing that great coaches
were able to do.

Speaker 11 (19:12):
And who would have thought that that would have been
this legendary.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (19:18):
You know this quote that he said after the game
is beyond and you know, it just really sends what's
chills down your spine because being in that moment and
understanding how vivid it was and to hear him say it,
you know, granted this has been thirty years ago and
now here it.

Speaker 11 (19:37):
Man, it's timeless.

Speaker 12 (19:38):
And the fact that he did it when Dallas was
getting blown out by Green Bay at the halftime, Like
why did they just kind of.

Speaker 11 (19:46):
Plug it in the locker room?

Speaker 12 (19:47):
So these guys, these these modern day players could hear
that because it doesn't change, man, it makes you move.
And so yeah, it's it's a vivid, vivid moment that
will never change. And he was just amazing communicator. He
just pulled those things out of nowhere and just here
we go thirty years later. That's and you'll hear that forever.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
I've always wondered, you know, like how the announcers get
clarifications for like names, you know, and I'm Hispanic, and
I know that Garcia is a little easier, but Garcias
is like specific. My last name is did you have
to tell people over and over like all right, this
is how you pronounce it's not Cacilla's, like, this is
how you pronounce it.

Speaker 10 (20:29):
Well, it's a.

Speaker 12 (20:29):
Butcher name, without a doubt, and I expected. What's interesting
is like when I was growing up in Oklahoma, I
had sixty five first cousins, a big culture Hispanic family.
Dad had thirteen brothers and sisters. Do the math, Hispanic Catholic,
so kind of get the picture. So when I was

(20:51):
when I was in prejudice and was really relevant prevalent
in Oklahoma. And so it was funny because we lived
on the other We lived in the white neighborhood, so
to speak. We got out and then it really wasn't
this you know, it very middle class or maybe lower
middle class. But my grandparents lived on the other side.

(21:12):
And what would happen is every weekend, all of a sudden,
you know, it's like a small house. It's like one
or two room house, very small. I remember I could
touch the ceiling when I was like sixth grade, that's
how small the house was. So anyway, we had everyone
would come there with sixty five first cousins, grandparents, everything,
my kid, my, my, uh. You know, my dad never

(21:33):
spoke Spanish around me, but I know when he got
around my uncles, they started, you know, saying all these
corchina words. I knew they didn't want to sit here
what they were talking about. But anyway, when I went
over to my grandparents, they my uncles and aunts pronounce
their named Cassius. But then we went back over to
east side Tulsa, it went back to Casillas, and I'm thinking, okay,

(21:53):
well aren't we related. This is something to your brother,
and so he never did give me really an answer
that so it's Casillas. So everyone called me Casillas until
I got to college and I'm my following had a
hard heart conversation. I said, Dad, I said, why why
is a hard name pronounced different than my other family
as well?

Speaker 11 (22:14):
I just wanted to make it sound more Anglo.

Speaker 12 (22:16):
We're living in an area and I just didn't want
to hear all you guys have to go deal with
all the prejudice. And so that's when I went back
to Casillas. And you know, Obviously, people that knew me,
you know, thought that my name was Casillas for a
long time, and I said, now I corrected them. So,
but yeah, it's a very profound name. It's very I

(22:36):
know there's a lot more cassius is out there, but
uh it's probably one of the most butchered names, without
a doubt.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
Whenever you're drafted by the Falcons, you play a few
years in Atlanta and you're you know, you head over
to Dallas. But Dallas wasn't good your first year's in Atlanta,
as a matter of fact, they were terrible. So when
you were going to Dallas, were you like, all right,
I'm about to get in on it, organizations, it's on
the way up.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Or were you like, I don't even know what's about
to happen.

Speaker 12 (23:01):
No, I knew anything was good, but I knew anything
it was gonna be better than than uh th In Atlanta.
It was this toxic environment the organization. It was more
uh more just trying to make money and not spend
money to be good, and it just become this culture
of it was very toxic. And I just coming from

(23:23):
Oklahoma and winning. I know that you're the second player
picked in the draft and it's you. It's a huge honor.

Speaker 11 (23:30):
You get paid. You know, back then, I thought it
was a lot.

Speaker 12 (23:32):
I mean, it's still a lot of money, but you know,
the anyway, I knew that there's a lot of things
that come with that. For one, it's that you're gonna
be on a really crappy team, and I was. But
I think it was a culture.

Speaker 11 (23:43):
There was not.

Speaker 12 (23:44):
I think that that's kind of the misleading about people. Whenever,
you know, they think that they see these athletes playing
on different teams and how glamorous it is, and you know,
social media and everything. But I'll tell you what, you
get into that that routine of just going to work
and you've heard this all the time and just getting
a paycheck. I mean, all of a sudden, it becomes us.

(24:06):
It's contagious and everyone has that same attitude. Hey, we
don't we don't need to win. We can go four
and twelve and I'm gonna get ready for a vacation
when it's the tenth week in the season. So I
just didn't and I hated that, and so I you know,
I got traded, and I tell you, what's the best
thing going to happen to me. You mentioned Jimmy Johnson.
Jimmy Johnson, he saved my football career because you know,

(24:28):
Jay Dave One said, who I knew from high school
recruited me. I knew Jimmy, he was both they were
Oklahoma State, so they had some familiarity with me, and
so they saw the good in me. But I tell you, dude, man,
when I got to when I got to Dallas and
I got up playing, it was it was a night
and day, and people were excited. Even if they were bad,

(24:50):
they still had expectations because that was coming from the
new owner and I was coming from a coach, and
you just kind of knew it wasn't going to be
like that forever. These guys going to make something really
really special happening.

Speaker 5 (25:01):
You beat Buffalo twice in a row. They ended up
losing two. They end up losing two more. After what loss,
did you start to feel bad for them?

Speaker 10 (25:08):
No?

Speaker 12 (25:09):
No, never, never, never, don't ever feel bad for the opponent. Look,
there's a reason why you know you got the rings
and they don't. I guess they give you a runner
up ring in the Super Bowl. But this is not
as good as the as the uh, you know, the
super Bowl, the Champion Ring and and I guess there

(25:30):
was some many. I mean, you go to the super
Bowl four times and you can't you don't have anything
to show for it. I guess I feel sorry to
the fans. I mean they got the best fans, But no,
I never feeling I don't really feel sorry for the loser.

Speaker 11 (25:41):
I mean, I just I don't.

Speaker 5 (25:43):
Whenever they were playing the Giants, or did you root
for Buffalo when you guys weren't in it because you
had played them, or did you have like a weird
taste because you played them and competed against them and
didn't like them.

Speaker 11 (25:53):
Well, you never we hated people in the NCAST.

Speaker 12 (25:56):
I mean, yet that's you got the Giants, you got Washington,
and you got the Eagles, So you all you hated
each other in that division.

Speaker 11 (26:04):
Without a doubt.

Speaker 8 (26:05):
You know.

Speaker 11 (26:06):
Now I cheer for Buffalo.

Speaker 12 (26:07):
I think it's it's been so long and as long
as Kansas City's and the AOC and you know, all
these other teams, they just for some reason that's kind
of the you know, that's uh, they can't ever get
over the winning the Big Game. And it's been for
a long time. And but yeah, I'm just like anyone else.
I love watching football. I'm I'm a huge fan. But yeah,

(26:29):
when it comes to playing a team and Phil and
so for me and you watch guys after the game,
maybe it's old school, you know, exchanging jerseys and you know,
after you get your ass kicked, and like really, I
mean you really want to you want my jersey after
I just kicked your ass, and and I hate, I
don't like that, but I guess that's just the way
it is in today's generation.

Speaker 5 (26:50):
So with San Francisco and the Super Bowl and obviously
my memories, especially when you were playing it was Dallas
and San Francisco in the NFTY championship every year, it
felt like every year, right, And so do you still
have you know, this negative feeling just towards the brand
of the forty nine ers, not the people or the
organization or because they were a rival or as that

(27:10):
long gone as well.

Speaker 12 (27:12):
You know what, I think there's certain when they're playing Dallas,
I think some of that stuff comes out.

Speaker 10 (27:18):
And I think that.

Speaker 12 (27:21):
You know, our success against the forty nine ers and
you just mentioned we played each other and it met something.

Speaker 11 (27:26):
You know, it's gonna be the postseason play.

Speaker 12 (27:28):
It's gonna be the forty nine Ers and the Cowboys
and all these historic matchups and everything that goes along
with it. But I mean, when I look at the
Super Bowl, I just think it's such an accomplishment that
teams get there because it's so hard to get there.
And I think we you know, there's a lot of
people that they have their teams and the teams they

(27:49):
chair for, and even for Buffalo in saying that, yeah,
I said, I feel sorry for him. But the fact
that you get you're able to get there is a
huge pomplishment and winning it. I mean, there's so many
things that have to happen for you to for you
to be able to get on that road of going
to Super Bowl. But you know, I look at the

(28:11):
forty nine Ers, The Raiders are probably the worst the
most aggressive fan base, I would say, and that would
be the Raiders and after that the forty nine Ers.
First of all, if anybody who invites you to go
to forty nine Ers Raiders game, don't go, man, a
good chance you're gonna get your ask you're or it

(28:33):
depends on which jersey are gonna wear. But I just
love watching I mean, there's so many great things these two.
You know, with San Francisco, you got a quarterback that
was drafted, last player picked in the draft and taking
his team to Super Bowl. So there's so many storylines
to it to not make you to want to make
you cheer for him just because of what their storylines are,

(28:53):
all right.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Three final questions.

Speaker 5 (28:55):
Dan Quinn left defensive COORDA did a great job in Dallas,
but now he's gonna go and be the head coach
of the Commanders.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
How big of a loss of the Cowboys is that.

Speaker 11 (29:05):
I think it's a big loss.

Speaker 12 (29:07):
I think that I think we all kind of knew
that Dan was going to be a head coach again
after Atlanta, and but I think that after that playoff
game and when Dallas lost the Green Bay there was
kind of some kind of decision making that was made
on the defensive side of the ball.

Speaker 11 (29:26):
But I don't know.

Speaker 12 (29:27):
I think that there's probably some things on that defense
we don't know about. I think that when you look
at the players that they have defensive lead, you know,
I think Micah Parson is a tremendous player.

Speaker 11 (29:38):
But I think sometimes you may be a little selfish
and because you look.

Speaker 12 (29:45):
In that game not to get too technical, the way
they're playing with on the nickel Pats, they're playing with
a lot of defensive backs.

Speaker 11 (29:52):
They really didn't have a linebacker.

Speaker 12 (29:53):
All their linebacker were decimated Leydon vander Ashy, he was injured,
so they really their their linebackers.

Speaker 11 (29:59):
Just this appeared.

Speaker 12 (30:01):
And I just don't think Micah the way he plays,
he wants to play up and make all these big plays,
and there's nothing wrong with that, but whenever you need
to solidify the core of your defense, you've got no
one to play. I just don't think guys really took
on that role. And I think Dan's gonna be a
tremendous a tremendous coach. Everyone I talked to been around
and he's this leader man, he's very defense is fun

(30:24):
to play and uh and and really the guy's really
he's the last three years you got to what he
did for the Dallass defense was amazing. And will it
hurt uh to a certain stoint, But I think that
there'll be a different philosophy, but but it'll be a
philosophy that's kind of similar to what they have now.
But I think he's going to be a tremendous tremendous coach.

(30:46):
I mean, Washington got their guy. I think he'll definitely
help turn that program around.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yeah, along with that Champ. You know people the fans
are always talking about like, oh.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
I know he's a Champ, but you just it was
just like so actually super Bowl Tim, Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 10 (31:02):
Man.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Hey to be honest, when when we were listening to
let him continue, Hey, just a couple of cowboys fans
talking here. All right, Okay, so Champ, like I was saying,
so so, so you know, like a lot of the
fans love that. They blamed Dak, they blame Jerry Jones,
they blamed the coach, they blamed d like like Dan Quinn,
they blame all sorts of things, And I just feel like,

(31:28):
don't they know what they're doing, Like we don't know
what's going on in there? Like we they know what
they're doing. But you've been inside it too, Like is
that is that factual? To be inside the organization and
listen to fans listen to radio shows talk about what
the problem is and then you just listen to that
and say, like, that's not even close to what's happened here.

Speaker 12 (31:45):
Well, I think that that's now with Uh, it was funny.
I asked Troy im I was doing a podcast doing
some hit on Instagram and and I was asking, so,
what would be the difference between now and you know,
when you played in the quarterback now for the Cowboys,
because I probably have about five million more followers on Instagram.
So the social media component has really changed things. Because

(32:09):
it's a brand. I think that that really it's kind
of a slippery slope for the brand, especially the Dallas
because I think that some guys just get all caught
up in that really didn't cut their teeth or do
anything to haven't won anything in the last thirty years,
and so it's a representation of what this brand brings
you as a player, and I think sometimes that kind

(32:31):
of gets lost in all the most important thing is
like you go out there and you're supposed to win,
and this is a franchise that's one in the past,
so it's your job to get us relevant. And I
think sometimes it gets lost with just hey, I'm a
Dallas Cowboy, I'm America's team. Forty million people watch this

(32:51):
last week, They're going to see me and then I'm
gonna And I think sometimes maybe for some guys and
it gets they get caught up in that. I think
that that's kind of something we're seeing with this team
because whenever you show up and you play in a
playoff game like they did against Green Bay and you
play awful on offense, on defense, every aspect, coaching was

(33:15):
horrific and was terrible, and then you expect people to
listen to what you have to say without any criticism.

Speaker 11 (33:24):
And to me, you can't have it both ways.

Speaker 9 (33:27):
Man.

Speaker 11 (33:27):
You got If you want to.

Speaker 12 (33:28):
Be part of this platform and you don't want to
be criticized your play, or you played and you want
to be soft, then that's your problem. To me, I
think that that's kind of been a demise, certainly for
Dallas in the last few years, just because of that.
Because the brand's gotten so big without any without any validation,

(33:49):
validating hey, we're.

Speaker 11 (33:50):
This good and it and you know this.

Speaker 12 (33:52):
It makes people mad to hear America's team and like, hey,
you guys haven't done anything in years but.

Speaker 11 (33:59):
Jerry's and Mark genius.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
You are who you are.

Speaker 5 (34:02):
You are America to My final question is more of
a statement. I got a text from my father in law,
massive ou fan. He said to tell you thanks for
the goal line stand against Texas and Nebraska.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
He really appreciated that.

Speaker 5 (34:16):
What do you remember about the goal line stands against
Texas and Nebraska?

Speaker 12 (34:23):
Well, I remember the Texas game and tell you your dad,
your dad, right, just tell your dad that I'm still
my butt still heard about that game because we end
up losing. You know, the goal line stand was amazing
and that it was nineteen eighty four in the Cotton
Bowl Ou Texas game and we're just balling out and

(34:43):
during the duration of that game, there's so many plays
that we recovered far more we got takeaways, but we
didn't get the ball. We just didn't catch any of
the breaks we should have. Instant replay slammed up in
the game. Then we had the goal line stand and
we had to keep them out as miserable as and uh,
just this kind of a cool environment if you're a player,

(35:04):
just down and dirty. And they had the ball right
there on the goal line right there. I believe it
was fourth and or it was first in half of
half a yard to the score, and we stuffed them
four times, and ultimately that's how we ended up winning
the game. We're tying the game because we we ended
up taking a safety and then they got the ball

(35:24):
back and uh, we made an interception in the end
zone which was clearly two yards in bounds by Keith Stanberry,
and that would have changed the like we would have
won the game. But they were certainly they're very fortunate,
and they kicked the field goal and tied. So you know,
that really pissed me off, and I was really upset

(35:45):
about that.

Speaker 8 (35:47):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (35:47):
In the Nebraska game, you know, we played Nebraska, It's
always there was always something that was gonna happen big
at whoever won that game, and we needed to win
that game. In Norman, we stuffed in the same same
uh circumstances. It was one of these, uh you know,
you you can keep them mount the in zone or

(36:07):
we're not going there one spot playing for the national championship,
and we ended up stuff because you know what, we
were used to it. You know, it's a thing about it.
Tell people you get used to doing things and you
create that confidence that you're do. You think yourself can't,
you can't accomplish, and you do it once or twice.
You know what, We're gonna get confidence. And that's what

(36:28):
we did. We played with a lot of confidence, and hell,
we knew it was a state and we ended up
went out there and got it done.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
Tony, we really appreciate the time. And Eddie appreciates your life. Yeah, thanks, Jim,
he really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
He appreciates you existing all and yeah, everything about you.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Actually.

Speaker 5 (36:47):
So you guys follow Tony Casias at Tony Casias on Instagram.
Two time Super Bowl champion, and you know, let's go.
Let's go Chiefs. If you guys like, well, I have way,
I got a bunch of money on the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
I bet a bunch of future.

Speaker 5 (37:01):
I bet a bunch of futures like way a long
time ago on Kansas City. So we're looking at a
big payout if they happen to win.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
So let's go Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Yeah, and I support my buddy, So let's go Chiefs.

Speaker 12 (37:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (37:13):
Yeah, let's go cheef.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Let's go cheese.

Speaker 11 (37:15):
Hey. So what I like is the prop bets. What
do you think what's the biggest prop bet for you?

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Well, we were gonna we like the over under.

Speaker 5 (37:24):
I think it's now it's like twenty one of the
first touchdown, the jersey the first person who scores, And
so we were laying out obviously Debo, but Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
But he's not gonna rush.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
He has no rushing touchdowns the whole year, So I
don't know. To me, it feels like I'm gonna bet
the over on that and hope it's like a Kelsey.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
But McCaffrey Brandon Ayuk is a low number two.

Speaker 5 (37:49):
But like McCaffrey Kelsey, you know, I think those guys
are who I would bet on scoring.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
That's that's our favorite one.

Speaker 10 (37:56):
Man.

Speaker 12 (37:57):
I thought you were gonna do it over and under.
How many times are gonna shaw Taylor's You.

Speaker 5 (38:01):
Know, I've learned not to really talk about that. You know,
I feel that the the power of the Swifties when
I am.

Speaker 11 (38:08):
Not I'm sorry, I just had I had to throw
that out hey.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
And I'm glad you did. But swift you heard it.
It wasn't me.

Speaker 5 (38:15):
Swifties and whatever number that is, it's going to be
over probably unless she hides.

Speaker 11 (38:21):
Yeah. I love yeah, I love I love the prop bets.

Speaker 12 (38:25):
We did a Super Bowl party before the's like twenty
five questions and you know how long the national anthem is?
How you know who they which coach are going to
show first? And you know which just this different thing
is pretty cool to the bet prop bets. But man,
I really appreciate you guys having me on here. This
is true and honor. I appreciate love your show, my

(38:45):
boy man. Thanks for the thanks for the Champ comments
that that that made by day.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
You got it, Champ anytime, all right, Tony, see you
letter buddy, Peace out.

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talk now with witch Toss State head coach Paul Mills

(40:06):
from our show Too Much Access. Coach Mills was an
assistant at Baylor for fourteen seasons before going to Oral
Roberts and now witch Toll State. He talked about his
inability to sit during games because of an old injury,
and we really liked him.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Good dude, here is coach Mills.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
Coach, thanks for having us. We noticed there's a game
on now when we're here.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
What's like ten am?

Speaker 10 (40:25):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (40:26):
Early, this game can't be live because you're not there.
So do you ever choose to show bad games? Or
is it only wins on the screen in the locker
room one?

Speaker 13 (40:34):
I have no idea what game it is, So I'm
not responsible for that. But there's no reason in the
world to relive bad games. You know, you're probably trying
to relive good experiences. So I can promise you I've
been married for twenty six years. If my wife ever
asked me to watch our wedding video it actually went well.
If it had gone sideways, we wouldn't want to relive that.

(40:55):
So if a game's on, it's probably one we won. Okay,
so it's Saint Louis we win, Yeah, and we win
this for sure? Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 5 (41:04):
Do you ever see yourself in even a game you
win and you're kind of maybe, man, I wish I
would have reacted that way, Like I'm kind of embarrassed
by because I do it all the time. I always
embarrassing my own actions. You ever see you react to
something and you think, maybe maybe that's a little too much?

Speaker 4 (41:16):
Yes, definitely.

Speaker 13 (41:17):
I think any of us, as we're doing anything, we're like,
I could have handled that better.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
And you know, it's just an issue of growth, right.

Speaker 13 (41:24):
I think people who don't ever want to grow, they
think they're always perfect. But the people who can kind
of look introspectively and say, man, I could have tightened
this up, I could have responded better. I find myself
sometimes doing that with my own children, like we got
in ninety two on the history test instead of a
ninety five and not really, but you kind of do

(41:47):
that with your players, and you learn how to handle
things better.

Speaker 5 (41:51):
Being a parent and being a coach similarities there, same thing.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
A lot of encouragement.

Speaker 13 (41:57):
You recognize when they're down, and you recognize when they
need to be encouraged. You recognize when things aren't going.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
Well and you're asking them why.

Speaker 13 (42:07):
And the reality is, I'm probably with these guys more
than I am some days with my own family. I mean,
I'm around these guys four hours every day, six days
a week, and then if you're traveling and playing games,
you're probably with them about ten twelve hours a day.
So you're around these guys quite a bit, and you

(42:27):
kind of recognize what works. Some guys are encouragement guys
and you got to tell them how good they're doing.
Other guys are challenge guys. I have little Man syndrome,
and so the more you challenge me, the more I
would kind of all right, I'll prove you wrong. And
so you kind of do you have to know all
the different personalities in the room and how to handle it.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
But very similar. I'm a better coach because I'm a parent.

Speaker 10 (42:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
My next question was about leadership, and you talked about
a little bit there because it's on a one size
fits all with different personalities, even with me and my role,
and I have a big staff, and I have to
handle everybody a little differently based on the performance I
can get from them on how they like to be
communicated with where some players like to have it told
and something I just like to have dance around and
like to be soft with them. How do you how

(43:12):
long is the kind of figure out someone's communication style
and method?

Speaker 13 (43:16):
Yeah, it takes a while, you know, you have to
spend a lot of time with them. We do a
thing called Mills Mills in my L L S M
E A L S H Mills Mills. Yeah, and so
so we eat every Sunday night.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
And oh that's what I thought.

Speaker 8 (43:30):
It was.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
Whole mill. Let's take me a ls How many triangles
in this triangle?

Speaker 5 (43:37):
I'm like, all right, let's go.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
Being from Houston, my pronunciation isn't great.

Speaker 13 (43:41):
So you kind of got from Arkansas, and so you know,
spending a lot of time in that fellowship where they
get to know each other, We get to know them. Uh,
we quite a bit obviously on the road together. So
being in those situations to where you know, but I
think you can be demanding without being demeaning. You can say, hey,

(44:01):
here's the standard. How do we rise up to it.
We're not going to lower the standard. This is the standard.
How can I help you reach that standard? How can
we make sure that you have the resources and the
people necessary in order to get to where you need
to go. I can recall one day somebody in the
office said, man, can I get you know what I
need to help me? I need a paper cutter. It's say,

(44:23):
all right, next morning, try to stop by target and
you hey, here's a bow with a paper cutter on it.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
That's going to help you. I don't know how it's
going to.

Speaker 13 (44:33):
Help you, but if that's going to help us be
more efficient, those are the things you want to do.
And so I think you're just constantly this is the standard,
this is what needs to get done.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
We're not going to lower it.

Speaker 13 (44:45):
We can be demanding without being demeaning, but you need
to tell us what you want out of this so
that we can help you, provide the resources, provide the
people in order to get to wherever it is we're.

Speaker 10 (44:57):
Trying to go.

Speaker 5 (44:58):
Just so you know, coach, so a coach, I coach
my son's ten year old basketball team.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
To say so.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
But after a game, coach, I'm exhausted. Yeah, Like sometimes
it's Saturday morning, eleven o'clock game. Afterwards, I'm like, I
need a beer, Like I'm so tired from just screaming
and stressing and yelling.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
Are you exhausted after a game depends.

Speaker 13 (45:20):
On the game, but you're definitely pretty fatigued. There's just
so much prep work. So we'll give a scouting report
to our players, and it'll be about one hundred and
twenty hours committed to that specific scouting report. And you
have to keep it really, really simple. So all the
preparation and the work that goes into presenting that information

(45:42):
to your players to help them on the court, that
takes a lot. The practices leading up to it take
a lot. The game takes a lot. That's probably the most.
But I have so much adrenaline flowing in me after
the game, whether we win or lose. If you win,
you're kind of like, all right, if we lose, You're like,
what went wrong? And I'm just so anxious to jump

(46:05):
into the film usually takes me about eight hours after
a game. So let's say a game seven o'clock. I
get home ten thirty eleven. I'm usually pulling all nighters.
I usually go to about seven am, breaking down the
game and figuring everything out. If we win by a lot,
sometimes I'll cut it down by like after two or

(46:25):
three and say, I'm gonna get back to this in
the morning. But what happens in conference is you only
get one day off sometimes between games. I don't know
how football coaches do it, because if you lose, I
couldn't wait another week. So I do like basketball, it's like,
all right, forty eight hours, we'll get another chance. But
I find the adrenaline. I am tired, but it's like

(46:45):
I gotta fight through this because we got another team
to prepare for in forty eight hours.

Speaker 5 (46:50):
Has it ever been so bad that you buried the
tape and don't watch it?

Speaker 8 (46:52):
Like the game was so bad?

Speaker 4 (46:53):
Done, don't I can't ever recall that.

Speaker 13 (47:00):
Baylor for fourteen years prior to going to Oarl Roberts
and We lost a lot of games by fifty my
first four years, you know, going against Kevin Durant and
Blake Griffin and really good players in the Big Twelve.
And so there were days there that we forgot about
the tape and just kind of moved on. But it's

(47:21):
different now as a head coach because you feel that
these are the it's on us and the staff to
tighten these areas up, and so I haven't. I don't
believe as a head coach.

Speaker 5 (47:33):
Has it ever really been your fault, because coach will
be like that one's on me, but I always feel
like they're just taking the bullet.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
No, it's been my fault. So I'll tell you this.

Speaker 13 (47:40):
When we played in the Sweet sixteen game in twenty
twenty one, when I was at Oarl Roberts, we lost
by two points to tell Arkansas, Yeah, Arkansas's.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
Come on, man, you know what Paul Mills got.

Speaker 13 (47:51):
Paul Mills got a technical that allowed Arkansas to get
too free.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
Throughout love you remember that, I love you? Oh yeah,
And in my mind it's man, I could have handled
that better.

Speaker 13 (48:03):
And you just if you ever coach a Sweet sixteen
game and it doesn't go your way, lose by fifty
instead of losing by two. Losing by two keeps you
up at nights. But I do, yeah, I totally you
got to own it. That's on you, and I could
have done better. Although we did go on a fifteen
to four run right after the technical and kind of

(48:25):
I just like that, and so so any of that
you do kind of have to think through it. But yeah,
I definitely think from my perspective, it's on me.

Speaker 5 (48:35):
What about like, schematically, have you ever just planned wrong?

Speaker 13 (48:38):
Oh my goodness, yes, really yeah. And it's easy to
say all your players they didn't get it done. That's
just easy to throw your guys under the bus. But no,
definitely planned wrong. Didn't think a guy who, hey, this
only makes twenty percent of his three point shots. All right,
we're gonna give him some looks. And what he is

(48:59):
is he's a confident kid. So he sees those first one.
You want him to make the first one if they're
bad shooters, because what you know is they'll keep shooting. Like,
all right, the bad shooter made one, he's going to
continue to do it. Then he makes a second one,
you're like ugh, And the third one you're like, holy
Cole you can do now, he's just feeling it. That
match is lit and you can't put it out. And

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I've done that before to where you just made a
mistake on some personnel calls alle oops.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
We love watching him as a fan, but as a coach,
do you like do you like alle oops? Or yeah,
like you know, let's just do the safe playing.

Speaker 10 (49:37):
No.

Speaker 13 (49:37):
So the best shot in basketball is a dunker layup.
So we're trying to get as many of those as possible.
And if you can have guys who can go up
and fetch that stuff, it's pretty one. It's it's an
electric play. But to be honest with you, it's a
good play. Like if you could just grab a ball
and you're above the rim and you just tip it down,

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that's a pretty high, highly official shot, high percentage shots.
So we have guys who can go get those, and
we encourage you. We have a number of them in
our in our playbook and really try to Now the
key is not necessarily you do have to have somebody
with the athletic ability, but you have to have a passer.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
You have to have a guy who can actually put
it there. But no, we we I'm a big fan.
How often do you practice allioops?

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Is that kind of one part of one of the practices.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
Yeah, I think like they're in't like, hey, this is
an alley oops. Sell you out here?

Speaker 8 (50:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
Yeah, we don't do any of that.

Speaker 13 (50:31):
But during the normal flow of just man, he here goes,
here goes player development, and here are guards practicing pick
and rolls.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
Just hey, what are the reads? Where do you throw it?
When do I throw it? What's the timing?

Speaker 8 (50:46):
All of that.

Speaker 13 (50:47):
It's pretty organic, and then there are some some things
that are structured in order to get the same opportunity.

Speaker 5 (50:52):
You talk about hyh percented shots. There's a coach like Nato.
It's at Alabama and notoriously they talk about how he
only wants shots near the basket or behind a three
point line, no real mid range. What is your philosophy
on the mid range? Well, I was just we were
talking this morning as a staff.

Speaker 13 (51:07):
If you look at twenty thirteen, there's only two players
who have better than a fifty percent range from long twos.
Katie's one of them. Can you guess the other? Lebron No, No, Lebron,
Chris Paul, Chris Paul. So there are two hundred and
thirty three didn't go out of the time to guess, Coach.

Speaker 11 (51:26):
I silent you.

Speaker 5 (51:27):
Guys, I would have got that right, and coach you
put us on the spot.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
Yeah, I'm sorry.

Speaker 13 (51:30):
I let you guys up and I saw the easy
trivia question that one, and I would have flunked, telling
y'all like twenty eight days in a month.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
But going back to there's.

Speaker 13 (51:42):
Only two and so what you you would what you
try to find out is what what are ways that
are quality mid range shot? Now I'm not anti mid
range whereas some coaches are.

Speaker 10 (51:55):
I'm not.

Speaker 13 (51:55):
I think there's value in it in certain responsibilities what
we would call pushdowns, being able to get close to
the guards, basically posting people up through the dribble, and
I think those are highly percentage shots. I think if
you can get ball screen twos, man, I can get
to the elbow, which is what Chris Paul does a lot.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
If you have guys.

Speaker 13 (52:17):
But we show our guys their numbers and we ask
them to be if you take these twos, you need
to be able to make over fifty percent. So we
show them their numbers pretty much after at least every day,
if not every other day, so they're well aware of
it and if it's efficient, we're going.

Speaker 10 (52:34):
To do it.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
But I'm not anti middlegame.

Speaker 5 (52:37):
We have three final questions for you taking over this program.
You come and is a culture change that you have
brought in? Is it, you know, a culture elevation from
what's been here? Like when you come into a new program,
don't have to be here, could be ru wherever. Like
what is your mindset when you go into a new place? Yeah,
it's the people. You know, there's nothing magical about any

(52:58):
specific school. Just because you have a certain jersey on
on the front of it doesn't mean you're going to win.
The people have to matter. So whatever it is that
we can do in order to help the people. So,
you know, when I got to hear the guys asked
for PlayStations, it's like, hey, we don't have PS fives
And I was like, dundal, you know, they had an

(53:21):
older refrigerator and I just came in and said, man,
we need to get a newer refrigerator. And so some
of it's just like how do we help the players.
And so in my mind, let's get the right people.
Let's get the right people in here, and then how
do we help them? Like, what are the things that
we can do to help them? I mean, again, everybody
talks about well, you need to have excellence in all things.

Speaker 13 (53:41):
I just think you're not going to have the best
of everything, but you do need to take excellent care
of what you are stewarded with. And for us, that's
the people. We want to take excellent care of them
and make sure we have the right guys in the
locker room. From a character standpoint, and that's kind of
how you make strides.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
Coach.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
We were talking about fishing a second ago before we
started here. What do you like about fishing? Because I
was talking to my wife she asked me, and I said,
it's kind of like the lottery.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
You know, you kind of just go in.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
You don't know you're gonna hit it or not. You
don't know if they're gonna bite or not. But some
days you get a good one.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
Yeah, what do you like? So you're familiar with live scope?
Ever heard this turbine fishing?

Speaker 8 (54:20):
All right?

Speaker 4 (54:20):
So this is a video game, all right?

Speaker 13 (54:23):
So on your boat is a TV and you can
see them and you can see them swimming down there,
and you kind of know and you're basically going up
and throwing the minto or sounds like cheating. Listen, you
can't get them to bite. As I tell people, it
doesn't mean they're gonna bite. They may have just had

(54:43):
a steak dinner, all right, and they had shad all night,
and all of a sudden, if you just give them
a snickers, they don't want it. So having the things
necessary to help them is important.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
Can I get a water?

Speaker 5 (54:58):
I'm giving it for those they can't see. I'm going
coach the Heimlich right now. I'm saving his life. You guys,
their only listen to the audio this, I got you.
There he goes, Yep, got him. I just saved his
life for everybody watching. Oh there you okay, Okay, good Patty.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
I think he's breathing.

Speaker 10 (55:12):
He's breathing.

Speaker 5 (55:12):
Now he's save Okay, there is eddie mouth mouth.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Okay, give him there he go. Coach, open up, all right,
I'm coming in.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
All right, there he is.

Speaker 5 (55:20):
Now you can't pass. Your life is being saved. Can
you imagine you're gonna save someone's life in his No? No, no,
we're good, Please not you last question?

Speaker 11 (55:28):
All right?

Speaker 4 (55:28):
Yeah, all good?

Speaker 5 (55:29):
Because I was having some of those peanuts too, and
I got a little bit of that. I thought I
was gonna sue. But if it's happening here, Uh So,
you don't sit down when you coach, or at least
I've never seen you sit down. I know you had
the injury that kept you from, uh continue your basketball career?
Is that why you don't sit down? Because you're back
You're vertebrae bad back.

Speaker 13 (55:45):
Like and then all of a sudden, if you just
jump up at the last second because somebody makes a
good player a bad play, then I really feel it.
So it's it's easier for me to stand there. There's
a coach who I used to spend my summers with
named Rick Majeris.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
He would stand all the time.

Speaker 5 (56:01):
You would you hang out Rick with Jerris?

Speaker 13 (56:03):
I love rings, Yeah, yeah, And when he passed away,
he was just so supportive of me and helped me
a ton. But he couldn't sit down because of his weight.
He was just so big and it was hard for
him sometimes. But for me, Uh I did. I cracked
my bottom vertebrae on my spine, and if I set
in bleachers or I sit anywhere too long, my back

(56:25):
can lock up. And so It's just best that it
doesn't happen in front of ten thousand people, so I
just stay standing the whole game.

Speaker 5 (56:33):
I should get you like one of those sleep numbers
that we have that brings your back up. You know
who had that was Phil Jackson. Phil Jackson had one
of those bigger chairs than everybody that really helped him
with his back. So I could get one of those
where you press a button and then it just kind
of lifts you.

Speaker 8 (56:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
Perfect, and yeah, that would be That would be the coach.
We really appreciate the time. Good luck with the program.

Speaker 5 (56:56):
I know everybody's excited about having you here, and by everybody,
I mean Eddie and I. We don't to anybody else
saying bubble, thanks for having.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
Us, Eddie, Bobby, thank you guys for coming. Thank you coach.

Speaker 5 (57:06):
All right now, this is us talking with which TOAs
state assistant coach Quincy ac Quincy played four Coach Mills
at Baylor eight to twenty twelve. When coach Mills was
assistant there draft in the second round of the twenty
twelve NBA by the Raptors, and he took us through
some drills which you can watch on Too Much Access
and here he is.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
It's just talking NBA, which is cool with Quincy ac coach.

Speaker 5 (57:25):
If you saw us walking in the gym and like
we were here to try out, look exactly like.

Speaker 10 (57:29):
This first glance. Well, if you hear that means you
you you want to be exactly that's the most important thing.
So that's half the battle. You want to be here.
I can, I can. I can work with that.

Speaker 7 (57:39):
Okay, But what's the other half, because you probably think
the other half.

Speaker 10 (57:41):
Is you know, a lot of hat on. You know,
I don't know if the shoes are tied all the way.
I don't know if you guys will be ready, you know.

Speaker 7 (57:47):
Don't my shooes aren't type Yeah it has a strap.

Speaker 10 (57:50):
Yeah, and I don't know.

Speaker 7 (57:51):
These are ones without shoes, Okay, I see, yes.

Speaker 10 (57:54):
Okay, yeah, I don't know how that will hold up.
You know, somebody has some nice.

Speaker 7 (57:59):
Handle, but I don't have any of that nice handle.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Nothing.

Speaker 10 (58:01):
We'll get you right.

Speaker 7 (58:02):
Whenever when you're in the league, do you get free shoes?

Speaker 10 (58:06):
Yes, either you're responsored by a company, Nike, Adidas, whatever
or whatever. The league is sponsored by Nike Adidas. They
have shoes.

Speaker 7 (58:15):
It's unlimited.

Speaker 10 (58:16):
I mean to a certain extent.

Speaker 7 (58:18):
In two k you can choose who you are.

Speaker 10 (58:20):
Yes, it's not that easy.

Speaker 7 (58:24):
I left coins.

Speaker 10 (58:25):
I mean they give you money, but it's not really
I guess it's VC virtual currencies. You don't really see this.

Speaker 5 (58:31):
All currencies virtual that's in a bank in ant number.
How has it been adjusting to not being that dude?
But now you've got to be this dude, the coach,
that's the leader, not the player.

Speaker 10 (58:40):
Yeah. I mean it's a big ego check. You know,
that's a that's the main thing. Check your ego at
the door every day. Realize that these these dudes don't
care about what you did in the past. You know,
they want to know how can you help them and
if you care enough about them. So that's the biggest adjustment.
But I mean it comes naturally. My mom was a teacher,
My grandmother was a teacher, So I get a great
joy out of its.

Speaker 7 (59:00):
Coaching always what you wanted to do after you finish
your playing career.

Speaker 10 (59:03):
Yes, I think so. My mom she kind of she
spotted it early. She told me I would be a coach,
but I think it took a longer time for me
to accept it. And then once injuries kind of started
piling up. I had to kind of accept it a
little quicker.

Speaker 5 (59:15):
When you're a professional and you are getting injuries, do
you want to not have people know you have injuries
so they don't know to move you down the bench
or off the team.

Speaker 7 (59:23):
You try to like get through it, not even fake it,
but just try not to make it a thing.

Speaker 10 (59:26):
No, definitely, definitely try to tough through it because I
mean there are people right behind you waiting to take
your spot, so you know, you have to have a
high pain tolerance and try to muscle through some stuff.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
All these assistant coaches sitting back there, like what's your
job during the game. Do you focusing on a player
or are you looking at something specific?

Speaker 10 (59:43):
Yeah, so I'm kind of looking at it all. You know.
The coaches on the front of the bench, we're all
kind of have an eye for everything. If it's your scout,
looking for play calls, looking for tendencies with the players
that's on the court, and a lot of the guys
behind the bench they have different roles. You know, they
have hustle points after time out plays, you know, it's
a playthrough of different things.

Speaker 5 (01:00:03):
But I get a lot of hustle points point I
scored that That's what I do. Yeah, like one hundred
hustle points and zero game point.

Speaker 10 (01:00:09):
You can make a living that, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:00:12):
The transition from playing the NBA to coaching at college
like baseline sideline, like there are a lot of different
things that you can and can't do and both. So
was it natural to come back and coach in college?
You have to kind of re learn the rules because
there are some small differences.

Speaker 10 (01:00:25):
Yeah, it's a lot of difference. It's actually there's not
as many sideline out of bounds plays as it is
in the NBA. You know, it's just more so kind
of get the ball in. There's no defensive three seconds
in the NBA, so you know, you can plan to
attack a lot differently. So you know, it's an adjustment
and I want to come back to kind of like
you said, kind of go back to the grassrooms to
learn the ins and out is what it is. I'm

(01:00:47):
looking for in players. What do young talent look like nowadays?

Speaker 8 (01:00:50):
You know?

Speaker 10 (01:00:51):
So, yes, college was a great choice for me.

Speaker 7 (01:00:53):
What do people see in you as an eighteen nineteen
year old player.

Speaker 10 (01:00:57):
I think that passion, they see that I played, They
see that I care. I come out here, I kind
of talk a little trash, you know, they can relate
a little bit. And I've done what they've done or
trying to do, you know what I mean. So I've
been through all the spoils, all of the hard times.
I know what it looks like, and I have a
different perspective. You know, it's a different I from the
sideline as it than it is when you're on the court,

(01:01:20):
you know, So I can kind of give them that perspective.

Speaker 5 (01:01:22):
What coach saw you at eighteen nineteen and invested a
lot in you to make sure that you be the
guy to go to next level.

Speaker 10 (01:01:28):
Coach Mills the head coach here. You know, he recruited
me at Baylor when I was fifteen, and you know
he was responsible for rebounding all my bricks that I
was shooting up in college and we just built a
great relationship. But he saw it early, you know, he
saw the competitiveness, the passion, and the skill. He knew
that that would come along, you know with just what
hard work. Fifteen yeah, fifteen years old.

Speaker 7 (01:01:50):
How many star recruit were you?

Speaker 10 (01:01:52):
I think I was a four star recruit.

Speaker 7 (01:01:53):
You don't remember, I know, I'd have a tattooed Onmber.

Speaker 10 (01:01:57):
In the middle star. Yeah, that would be.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
I'd be so proud of it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:03):
I mean, I want to dance with the Start, and
I got a mirrorball trophy on my arm somewhere there,
so if I had Start, it'd be like.

Speaker 11 (01:02:08):
All the way up and dancing with the starts.

Speaker 7 (01:02:10):
You believe that, you know, look at me like pure athlete.

Speaker 10 (01:02:12):
I don't never judge the book by scope.

Speaker 7 (01:02:14):
That's right, you know, but that could also be interpreted
as an insult because that's how you look at exactly
how you look at it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Coach, what do you do with a player that's just
kind of you know, not really just moving as hard
as you should or playing as far as you should, Like,
how do you motivate someone like that?

Speaker 10 (01:02:32):
Yeah, I mean each player is different, you know, different
things kind of gets different players going. Some guys you
can kind of challenge, Some guys you can kind of
call out in front of everybody. Some guys you got
to kind of go up and see what's going on
behind closed doors. It's different for each guy, and you know,
you have to really be careful, you know, because if
you yell at a guy that doesn't respond well to that.

(01:02:53):
You know, now he shuts down and now you can't
get anything out of him. So you know, it is
it's a learning curve and that aspect.

Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
You know, when you're playing in the league, who was
the hardest guy that you had to guard?

Speaker 10 (01:03:06):
I tell people that my toughest matchup was when I
was with the New York Knicks going against LaMarcus Audridge.
He was in the contract year.

Speaker 7 (01:03:14):
So he's trying real hard.

Speaker 10 (01:03:15):
Yeah, yeah, a lot more to play for, and I
think the Knicks were interested in him, so it was
even more. I think he probably scored on me seven
times in a row, not seven points, like seven times.

Speaker 7 (01:03:26):
And points point.

Speaker 10 (01:03:28):
These were real baskets, So that that gave me my
toughest matchup. But overall, you know, guys like lebron kd
you know, they're just so big and so skilled. It's
so hard to guard them.

Speaker 5 (01:03:40):
You play with Carmelo in New York, I did so
Carmela could shoot. Carmelo was big, Like what what what
was he like as a teammate and what was it?
That's a rare combination at least. Then now guys are
getting a lot bigger with a lot more ball skills
at able to shoot a lot better like that. He
I mean, he's kind of a That was a very
rare thing from Carmelo or playing Syracuse.

Speaker 7 (01:03:58):
What was that dude like to play with?

Speaker 10 (01:04:00):
Carmelo Man? I saw him this summer at the Top
one hundred camp. His son was there, so I got
a chance to kind of catch up with him. Great dude,
great teammate. Off the court, just unbelievable and on the court,
I mean, he's just a competitor. You know, he's gonna
he's gonna make you feel him whenever you guard him.
You know, he's always bumping you, pulling on You've heard
all the recordings of you know, how he talks when

(01:04:20):
he's getting the rebounds and stuff. So that's just who
he is. You know, He's a competitor and just a
great guy.

Speaker 5 (01:04:26):
Said the Pelicans try to get it back this year
after after he recover. What if they call what if
the Pelicans called you today? Can you give us ten games?

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
Coach?

Speaker 7 (01:04:36):
What about seventy? Could you give him seventy seventy?

Speaker 10 (01:04:39):
My body would break down for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
Two final questions, best shooter that you've ever played with
or against against?

Speaker 10 (01:04:48):
Steph Curry. What's that like?

Speaker 7 (01:04:49):
Is he just is he just non stop?

Speaker 10 (01:04:52):
He doesn't stop moving? It was I was in the
same game.

Speaker 11 (01:04:56):
It was.

Speaker 10 (01:04:56):
I think it was when Clay was kind of going
back and forth with Omary cast but it was just
like mad shot. Clay made a shot, made shot, Steph
made a shot. It was the about six trips back
and forth with nobody missed. Craziest thing I've ever been
a part of. And then the best shooter I've played with.

(01:05:17):
I gotta say Dirk Whiskey, but Steve Novak is very
high on that list. He was a sniper, you know.
I mean it was no no meat on that or
no fat on that shot. You know, he straight to
it and it's all net.

Speaker 5 (01:05:31):
Yeah, no, no, you're all fat. Yeah you heard him wrong,
you heard them wrong. Last question, As a coach, what
are you about? Like just just straight up like, what
are you about.

Speaker 10 (01:05:43):
As a coach?

Speaker 8 (01:05:44):
Uh?

Speaker 10 (01:05:45):
I mean competitiveness Like when I played, I was just competitiveness, competitive.
I just had a will to win, you know that
couldn't be matched in my opinion, And you know that's
kind of what I try to bring out of these guys.
Is there everybody you know, everybody has a level of
competition and a level if they don't want to lose
or whatever in them, and it's just on you as

(01:06:07):
a coach to figure out ways to bring it out
of you know. So that's what I'm about, you know,
just toughness, greediness.

Speaker 7 (01:06:12):
I'm perfect for you.

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
Then there we go.

Speaker 10 (01:06:14):
I will to win.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
I never win, but I have a will.

Speaker 11 (01:06:16):
I have a willeck.

Speaker 7 (01:06:16):
You've just been with the wrong right, That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Last step is guard Xavier Bell.

Speaker 5 (01:06:20):
Bell spent his first two years a Drexel before coming
back to Kansas to play for the Shockers.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Super nice guy.

Speaker 5 (01:06:26):
You can keep up with Xavier on Instagram at one
of one XB here he is Xavier Bell.

Speaker 7 (01:06:32):
How many shots you think you get up a day?

Speaker 10 (01:06:33):
Save?

Speaker 8 (01:06:34):
Uh A good two point fifty just.

Speaker 5 (01:06:38):
Regardless, Like at least gonna get two fifty in. Yeah,
Eddie was trying to shoot a thousand today.

Speaker 11 (01:06:42):
I got to forty seven.

Speaker 7 (01:06:43):
I got he got tired. Yeah, So it's any advice
you'd like to give him.

Speaker 14 (01:06:47):
I just keep going, man, I think forty seven. You're
in chipping away a little bit. So you got tiny chips, yeah,
eight chips.

Speaker 5 (01:06:55):
Yeah. So we were looking at some of your numbers
this year right now, I averaged about fifteen game. Do
you know where you are point wise during a game?
Are you just playing or do you catch up in
between halves?

Speaker 14 (01:07:06):
They kind of showed on our scoreboard every game, so
I kind of look up from time to time, but
for the most part, I don't really try and get
too caught up in that.

Speaker 8 (01:07:13):
I kind of just want to help our team.

Speaker 7 (01:07:15):
If you're feeling it, does the bucket feel huge?

Speaker 5 (01:07:17):
Does it feel like you can't Are there those moments
where you're like, man, I don't know if I can miss.

Speaker 14 (01:07:21):
Yeah, I feel like the person in front of me
is having a rough night. So I like to just keep,
you know, keep going on that.

Speaker 5 (01:07:27):
So can you ever identify that before game or is
that always in game when you kind of feel like
you're in the zone.

Speaker 14 (01:07:32):
I try and get my mind right before the game,
you know, kind of come in with the right attitudes.
You know, it's not really who I'm going against, is
really what I can do, So just kind of focus
on that, just keep going.

Speaker 5 (01:07:40):
For sure, in baseball, if you're throwing really good before
the game and the ballpen, that's kind of a bad sign.
If you're shooting and you're making everything and shoot around
now in basketball, is that good or does that not
matter at all?

Speaker 10 (01:07:53):
I think it's good.

Speaker 14 (01:07:54):
It kind of puts a little bit more confidence in
my head already than what already's in there. So I
would say a little bit. Sometimes I don't know. I
don't like to make a lot just so that way
I go in them.

Speaker 8 (01:08:05):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, go in the game, start missing, get
in my head a little bit more so the stuff
like that.

Speaker 11 (01:08:10):
It's playing on the road much harder.

Speaker 10 (01:08:12):
Is it just the same game?

Speaker 14 (01:08:14):
I would say, it's kind of it's more fun just
to be able to go into someone else's environment, try
and give them your best and hopefully shut up their crowd.

Speaker 5 (01:08:23):
So, yeah, what's the best road wind you've ever had?
I mean, it just felt good, like that baby has
some candy and you walked in it. Took the spreeze
by the other hand and ate them all.

Speaker 14 (01:08:36):
We played a really good game against Tulane last year
at Tulane, I would say, so that was probably a
good a good road win for us.

Speaker 5 (01:08:43):
I would say, what's the game where you felt collegiately
most in the zone, Even if you hadn't scored the
most points, like you felt even your passes were super crisp.

Speaker 8 (01:08:50):
I would say, so it wasn't here.

Speaker 14 (01:08:54):
I was at an old school, but I scored thirty
in a game, and I think the flow was just
it was just in nature, just keep getting to the buckets.

Speaker 8 (01:09:01):
So that was that was probably my best one for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:09:03):
Is it like Harry Potter or you don't see the
guy's name, like what's the guy's name in Harry Potter Baltimore?

Speaker 7 (01:09:08):
Is it like you don't say the school the old school?

Speaker 6 (01:09:10):
Yeah, like Baltimore that don't exist exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
What's it like being an elite athlete in college? Like
my college is like we just parted.

Speaker 8 (01:09:20):
It's a it's a grind.

Speaker 14 (01:09:21):
I think you gotta wake up every day, you know,
with the right attitude, right mindset, weights, classes, practice as well,
but just making sure you're putting your best foot forward
and whatever it is that you do.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
So, But do you get to have fun like you
get to enjoy college?

Speaker 8 (01:09:33):
Yeah? Yeah, of course.

Speaker 14 (01:09:34):
You know there's off days you kind of you're able
to unwind or relax, you know, catch up with old friends,
stuff like that family that's closed by I'm from here,
so my family's close. But I would say it's nothing,
nothing too taxing, especially since I've been doing the sport
my whole life.

Speaker 5 (01:09:48):
Can you hear your family in the stands since they've
always been with you and you know their voices?

Speaker 14 (01:09:53):
Nah, but I know where they are, so I like
to I like to look over at them from time
to time, for sure, my dad especially, but for the
most part, you definitely can't hear.

Speaker 5 (01:10:01):
That's got to be exciting though, for your family to
be able to just drive down the road absolutely like
that had to mean a lot to you to come
play here too.

Speaker 8 (01:10:07):
It, did you know?

Speaker 14 (01:10:08):
I went to a school that was about twenty hours
away right out of high school, so it was kind
of tough for them to get to a bunch of games.
But once I was transferred back and everything, it was
it was super cool just to see them at all
the games that they can come to.

Speaker 7 (01:10:18):
Yeah Baltimore you oh right, yeah to Baltimore. Yeah yea yeah,
yeah yeah right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
Like you talk about your dad, like, is it hard
to tell your dad like that, I'm at another level now,
Like I got coaches at Oh you know what I.

Speaker 8 (01:10:34):
Mean with me is that we got coached.

Speaker 14 (01:10:37):
That's funny you said that, because when I first transferred
back last year, me and my dad kind of got
into it early because he was just so big.

Speaker 8 (01:10:44):
On getting in the gym with me doing this, doing that.
I'm like, well, I have coaches now who do that
for me.

Speaker 14 (01:10:49):
And he's like, well, you know, you can never get
away from the basics, and I'm like, I understand that,
but it's just a different level that you got to
kind of do it at now. So it was tough
at first, but I think he's got acquainted to it.

Speaker 11 (01:11:02):
Just like I have.

Speaker 5 (01:11:03):
So if you wanted to shoot around here, could you
come in at any time and shoot in the gym?

Speaker 8 (01:11:07):
Yeah. So, and the coach staff we have now and
everything too.

Speaker 14 (01:11:10):
They have a lot of gas on staff who rebound
for us, you know, get in the gym whenever we're
available and all that. So I like to come in
in the morning before class just to get it out
the way and then maybe shoot after practice and everything.

Speaker 5 (01:11:20):
So somebody to rebound for you, that'll be awesome. Yeah,
they've worked a lot harder for us than him.

Speaker 10 (01:11:24):
That'd be chasing.

Speaker 5 (01:11:25):
We too, We want to chasing. Yeah, what would your
teammates say about you. If we asked him and you
weren't around, and we said, you know, what's daber all about?

Speaker 7 (01:11:34):
What would they say about you?

Speaker 10 (01:11:36):
Just the right things.

Speaker 14 (01:11:37):
I would just say, you know, trying to be the
best leader I can. Obviously I'm not a leader in
everyone's eyes, but I just try and do the right
thing that I know is right for my team and
for everybody around me as well.

Speaker 7 (01:11:46):
All right, last three questions. Do you ever play yourself
into shape?

Speaker 5 (01:11:50):
Is that a thing? Or do you get in shape
and you play yourself in a better shape?

Speaker 8 (01:11:54):
I would say you play yourself in a better shape,
you know.

Speaker 14 (01:11:56):
I think coaches do a really good job off season,
you know, kind of repairing you for those type of runs,
those type of different environments. But I don't think it's
up until you get that first win going up against
someone who's also been preparing at that same level as you,
that you're like, okay, this is what I need to
pick it up to now. So then day in and
day out, that's where you're just trying to get better
and better at you get a two K. No, I

(01:12:16):
don't play, nah I have I haven't bought the new
two K I know I'm gonna get crap for that time.

Speaker 8 (01:12:23):
Yeah, it's the same though. It's like every year is
the same.

Speaker 14 (01:12:27):
I've heard twenty four is the best one yet, but
I hear that every single time a new two K
comes out.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
Okay, but you got court knowledge, you got you know
what you're doing, so when you play the game, you
just dominate.

Speaker 8 (01:12:38):
My friends would tell you otherwise, but I'm gonna tell
you yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:12:41):
Yeah, mid range. How you feel about midrange?

Speaker 10 (01:12:45):
I like it.

Speaker 14 (01:12:45):
I don't take a lot of them. I shoot a
lot of floaters more than just pull up mid ranges.
But I actually like that part of the game. I
think it's a lost art, but it's really good. It's
appealing to me. I would say, you ever don't have
I ever done?

Speaker 8 (01:12:58):
Do you ever?

Speaker 10 (01:12:58):
Don't?

Speaker 8 (01:13:00):
Not since the season started, But I've dunked this year?

Speaker 11 (01:13:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:13:03):
Yeah, only breakaway or you ever put it on somebody?

Speaker 8 (01:13:06):
It was on somebody?

Speaker 7 (01:13:07):
This find that clip?

Speaker 11 (01:13:09):
Hard?

Speaker 4 (01:13:09):
Is it to not hang on the rim like when
it's a good dug?

Speaker 8 (01:13:14):
Yeah, it's I would say, it's all about you've never
dunk in your life?

Speaker 7 (01:13:17):
How do you know that's right?

Speaker 8 (01:13:19):
You step on the back, I would say, it's all
about momentum.

Speaker 14 (01:13:23):
So like two hands, it's probably harder not to hang
on the rim, but one hand, I think it's all
about just getting off the rim and then letting the
dude know that you just dunked on them and everything.

Speaker 5 (01:13:32):
How would you let him know without the rest knowing?
You let him know, because if you let him know,
if you stand over them like I do something.

Speaker 8 (01:13:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would say its word choice is
what I would say. Word choice.

Speaker 14 (01:13:48):
So I don't like to you know, I'm not gonna
say what I would say on camera. Uh the clip
that they got me this year, they got what I
said on camera.

Speaker 7 (01:13:56):
But okay, we'll say words and then you tell us
if it's the word.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
I'll go first. You're satisfactory, good dude?

Speaker 10 (01:14:03):
Was that it? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
Okay that I thought that was I Yeah, that was good.

Speaker 7 (01:14:07):
We appreciate you, appreciate you have a great season. I
hope you're healthy, and uh, this is this is for
Xavier right here. I would have been awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
All right, all right, that's it the final whistles. I
got football cards here to give away just for that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
Okay, are we gonna do that?

Speaker 8 (01:14:29):
Ed?

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Do you get a Malik Willis. Yeah, Titans, I'll take it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
I like it liberty, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Read You get an Amari Cooper cool?

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
That is why did you give him the Amari one?

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Hit him drawn Eddie, you get Kevin You get a
Denzel Mims. Okay, you know what your team plays for? Uh,
you don't about it? Jacks Jaguars.

Speaker 6 (01:14:54):
Oh, I would not have guessed that.

Speaker 10 (01:14:56):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
You get a Kyler Murray.

Speaker 10 (01:14:57):
I'll take it.

Speaker 11 (01:15:00):
A good one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Uh, it's a Tayshaun Gibson that's reads read on and
then I have this.

Speaker 5 (01:15:08):
I'm gonna keep this. NBA Hoops Rookie Special Asar Thompson.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
That's worth anything like oh, I played for the Pistons.

Speaker 5 (01:15:18):
Now he does. He was drafted first round. Okay, it's
rookie special Thompson. You saw that from over there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Yeah, dude, I got camera no no, no, my eyes.
I got Lacy. It's a Panini ten Bucks. This one
goes to do you want to mic?

Speaker 6 (01:15:37):
What the your daddy?

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
Okay, guys, it's gonna go straight to my kids.

Speaker 5 (01:15:42):
Don't act and have you got you can do whatever
you want all these I don't even care you open
a new pack.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
I got a new pack. Here we're gonna open this
first one is a Brett fav rookie card. You gotta
get this to read. Yeah, Brett Favara fa Okay, here
we go. We got a Matthew Barry draft card.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
Is cary interesting?

Speaker 5 (01:16:02):
We got a first overall nineteen eighty five Bruce Smith,
whoa man the bills. We got an all American Caleb
Williams draft card.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
That's gonna be something.

Speaker 5 (01:16:12):
We got a draft card, uh brought Bowers? Did this
needna be worth a nickel or a thousand dollars?

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
I don't know. Mike could have lied to me just
to get the card.

Speaker 5 (01:16:20):
And then a Bijhon Robinson. They can't put the long
horn on there. They wiped the long corn off, but
touchdown King's card.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
They didn't pay for the licensing. I guess not.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Hey you been there?

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
Yeah, sure, you know what that's like.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Hey, what's the deal?

Speaker 6 (01:16:32):
Still waiting, but we're making progress. We're moving along, waiting
and waiting, and.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
We're waking progress and waiting and waiting.

Speaker 6 (01:16:40):
Okay, Yeah, last I heard is double checking again.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
He just sent me something if you want to use
this during the episode. He sent to me right now,
I just saw it. I just like he literally sent
some material right now as we're ending it.

Speaker 10 (01:16:50):
What was it?

Speaker 5 (01:16:50):
This will be Super Bowl fifty eight. If you had
five and eight together, you get thirteen, Taylor Swift, San FRANSCOO.
Forty nine ers are playing in the game? Four nine
at it together?

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
Or thirteen Taylor Swift read?

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Are you Taylor conspiracy person?

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
I just saw this.

Speaker 5 (01:17:02):
I was like, forty nine Ers the one seed in
the NFC, while the Chiefs are the three seed in
the AFC. Thirteen they're just they're cherry picking things equal thirteen,
They're not every number from everything. Taylor Swift, to schedule,
took a plane from a concert in Tokyo to Las Vegas.
The flat time from Tokyo to Las Vegas is roughly
thirteen thirteen hours.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
Roughly.

Speaker 5 (01:17:19):
I guess if Swift does indeed make it a game,
this will be her thirteen appearance at a Kan City
Chiefs game this season. Come on, to date, the Super
Bowl February eleventh, twenty twenty four. Two and eleven added
together is thirteen.

Speaker 4 (01:17:30):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
Wait what this is crazy?

Speaker 8 (01:17:33):
Wait?

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
The date of the Super Bowl is February. Oh, gat
got him?

Speaker 5 (01:17:36):
If you subtract thirteen from one hundred, you get eighty seven,
which is a Jersey number of Swiss boyfriend.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
That's true, so stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
No, no, that's so bad. I did want to use
in the episode. Thank you buddy. Yeah, man, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
You get a false star that's a five yard penalty interview, and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Then and you get eight.

Speaker 6 (01:17:53):
After a touchdown.

Speaker 5 (01:17:54):
Then yeah, was thirteen and we talked about Dan Marino
earlier who thirteen?

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
Yeah, all right, woown.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
Possibly be our final episode. Thank you guys for listening.

Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
Hey, I love you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
If this is our last.

Speaker 5 (01:18:08):
I've not heard from Kevin during this, but Eddie, you
gotta give us one good blow before we end.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Oh, I'll give you my best blow here is mister
go ahead.

Speaker 6 (01:18:17):
Wow, nice job, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
That good That camera crews like what just happened in there.

Speaker 7 (01:18:22):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
All right, it's been a real treat. Thank you guys.
Maybe we'll see you next week. We probably won't, We
don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
I love you, guys.

Speaker 5 (01:18:29):
It's like when a show goes to after they finish
their season and they wait to be picked up or not,
and they just wait wait by their phones.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Yeah, we'll let you guys know already at twenty five whistles.
That's our deal there. We'll see you guys soon or
we won't.

Speaker 7 (01:18:40):
Bye, everybody,

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