Lots to Say: 5x Pro Bowl DE Jared Allen

HOW is 5x Pro Bowl DE Jared Allen NOT in the Hall of Fame after being a finalist the last 4 years? Jared relives his path to the NFL and how his first NFL sack resulted in a fine from the league! Matt remembers Jared's intensity on the field and the banter going back and forth.  Who was the toughest QB to bring down for a sack? Jared looks at the Vikings and how he feels about Sam Darnold's future in Minnesota.  What's the surprising reason a player like Darnold can revive a frustrating career?  Jared explains how a player decides between contract offers and their future in the NFL.  On his way out, Bobby wants a 'text flex' from Jared on someone cool that hit him up!

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
We Got Lots.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Just we got lost? Just what better here?

Speaker 4 (00:21):
And we hope you say because we got.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Lost, Yeah, we got lost. Just say.

Speaker 5 (00:31):
Here's Bobby in that.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Jared Allen coming up in a few minutes.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
Here, you have a song you would listen to before
you like a specific song you would listen.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
To before games.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Depending on the mood I was in, I went.

Speaker 5 (00:44):
Through like this BDM like techno phase, kind of really
get myself fired up. Then I went through a little
bit of like ACDC Thunderstruck. Then there was a little
bit of Dave Matthews in there every now and then.
If I was in that the kind of like comp
calm yourself down but kind of at the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Give you good vibes. So I went through I was
kind of all over the map.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
If I did your Spotify rapped songs you listened to
going into a game, what song or what one and
two songs would be there?

Speaker 2 (01:18):
And I can I can give you a second to
think before I go on stage.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
I have the same exact playlist and I go before
my music hits to do my act, which I have
a song I come out to, but I listen to
Seven Nation Army White Stripes. I love that song, don't don't,
because that's like I need to have this mix of
I need to be up and fired up. But if
I'm too fired up because I've got to communicate, too

(01:43):
fired up is not good, right, So I need to
come out with energy, but I need to be focused
and that song doesn't just know.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
It hits it hits hard.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
That would be my number one on the rap list
of songs that I would go that I go out to.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Is that one. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:57):
The interesting part a lot of times I would listen
to music, and when before the pre pregame, right, I'd
listen to music.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
As I came into.

Speaker 5 (02:06):
The locker room is usually when i'd take out my
take out my EarPods or whatever it might be, and
stop listening to music and then go through the game
plan one more time and get kind of just locked
in focus, especially because a lot of people don't realize
you're usually scripted for those first twenty plays, so you
know what's going to be called in the first twenty
plays of the game. Now that might differ a little

(02:29):
bit just based on situational football. You're in third down,
third and one, third and two, but you have your
list of third down calls from third and three to six,
six to nine, ten plus. So I wanted to get
locked in. So even if you had a communication problem,
I usually could call the first ten plays because I
had them rehearse in my mind. And so I wasn't
one of those guys that would get completely distracted with

(02:51):
music because I was one of those players that just
wanted to come and focus in on what the task
at hand had to be. And especially if there was
checks early on the game, this is a team that
is either max pressure, max splitz. Okay, I got to
be prepared to check with seven man protection what it
might be, and I'd just rehearse it in my mind
and go through it before we'd go out. So I
wasn't always that kind of guy that would listen to

(03:14):
music before the game.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
The big fight for our high school football was we
were a diverse team. We were the only team that
had black guys in our county, and so the black
guys would always want Tupac and the white guys would
always want a CDC.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Hill's bells.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
So before every game we'vel had to flip a coin
and whatever it was on. And it wasn't contentious at all,
but whatever it landed on, and some of the black
guys up wanted ACDC, some of the white guys ended
up wanting TUPAC, depending on how the game went the
last week. But we flipped a coin every game and
whatever it landed on. That's why we went out to
either TUPAC or ac DC. Hell's bells. I want to
hear those songs. It reminds me of that time, like

(03:51):
walking out. For sure, I give you my Since we're
both elite athletes and very high level football players. This
we'll land on this before we get to the segment,
but because we have Jared Allen coming up in a second. First,
I'd like to say to everybody, I do not think
that I am any sort of talent at the game
of football stop like Matt Castle is. So when I

(04:12):
tell this story, it's not me acting as a football peer.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
I just need people to know that are a football
not a football pier. But so I was captain of
our high school football team.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Yes you were knucks Knucks and again high energy guy motor.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
You know a lot of after technicians, good hands, good hands.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
As captain, we go out for the coin toss and
we're playing this team called Sparkman, who I think they
were like nine to no. I believe we were eight
and one at the time game. And so we're up. Yeah,
like we're going and I'm fired. I was a little
too fired up. And we go and they flipped a
coin and they win the coin toss, and so they
say we'll defer, and so they look at me and
they go, okay, they deferred. Uh what I said, Uh,

(04:56):
we will kick off, and they're like the ref looks
at me and goes, no, no, no, they deferred to
the second half. They get to make their decision the
second when we come out for the second half. So
what do you want to do now? All I remember
is coach Gandalff going, if we get the chance, we
want to kick and we're gonna we're gonna stop them.

(05:17):
And I'm like, we want to kick, and the ref
looks at me and he goes okay, And that was
so all right. They've like they deferred the second half
and Mount Pine has decided to kick, and I still
I'm just so fired up to go play defense. That
and I didn't eve play defense, by the way, I played
only like dying package.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
And so what is your coach doing? Oh no, no,
here's why he did. I walked off. He grabbed me
by the face mask.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
Now, luckily, pretty smart guy as far as like standardized
tests life, I've been a pretty smart person.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
He and I remember everybody could hear it.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
He grabbed me by the face mask and said, you're
the smartest mother effort on this team. And that's the
dumbest effing thing I've ever seen in my history of coaching.
We lost that game by six points. Oh no, you
been stung worse.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, we lost it by one possession.

Speaker 5 (06:08):
You know, believe it or not, I'm not lying to you.
That happened to us. One of the captains on our
team did the same exact thing. When I was with
the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
In the NFL. It happened. We kicked off twice in
the first half. There's no way in the second half,
No way. True, that's my hero.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
We need to find out who that is because I
need to talk to whomever it is to take.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Hold is probably me the smartest guy that was.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
No, I don't even remember who it was did we
kicked off?

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Are both half? I'm positive that is the best news
I've had all day. So you're not as dumb as you.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
Oh I am, but acted that somebody did that professionally. Wow,
what a day this is.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
It happened. We are fired.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
It happened again. Jared only coming by and just a
little bit. Thank you guys for being here. Thanks for
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Speaker 1 (07:00):
It's called Lots to Say and hit subscribe.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Please, we would love that. We need it. We need money.
Let's just be we need it. We need the money.
Thank you. You're gonna be honest. I wish I knew

(07:25):
Jared Allen. I don't. This is your buddy. How do
you know Jared? Well?

Speaker 5 (07:29):
I played against him for a number of years and
then when I went to Minnesota he was there, so
we became teammates and he was right next to me
in the locker room.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Great time.

Speaker 5 (07:36):
But when I called him up, I was like, hey,
would you come on be here.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
I know that he loves to talk.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
He'd be a great guest and he's got great stories
and he's a future Hall of Famer. So he was like, absolutely,
and that's that's the cool part is when you have
relationships with guys like that and they're just completely open
and real and authentic.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
And so he came on without a doubt. It was awesome.
Here he is Jared Allen.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
I would like to say that I have been advocating
and many many.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
Many super small circles that it's effecting on the Hall
of Fame drives me insane.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
I appreciate that. That's a heck of a way to
start this segment too, because a lot I could go
off about that.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
I do believe it.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Give it to us. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
I don't know you, but I believe I say it.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
It's even about me having a relationship with you.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
It's it's a travesty that you weren't on the Hall
of Fame.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
I appreciate that. Yeah, I'll be honest, I really I don't.
I tell you all the time, and I think people
that know me, no, I don't. I don't think about
it except when they bring it up, you know, three
weeks out of the year, and they they have this
unique way of making grown men get all like emotional
about something that you have zero control over. I think
that's what pisses me off the most about it. It's
like you get me excited for something and I have

(08:44):
no control over it. So, yeah, I had no expectations
of getting in the first year, as as I've been
a first ballot as the first ballot finalist's been on
the now for five years.

Speaker 6 (08:52):
Unfortunately, collecting final ballads for the Hall of Fame is
not a good thing.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Time sucks. Everybody gets the same.

Speaker 6 (09:03):
So you know what I this last year.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
I'll be real honest, just from the standpoint is statistically,
there's nobody on the list that's not that's better than me,
right right me?

Speaker 6 (09:13):
SUGS is up this year. But if you.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Compare my average per year, you know, you know, you
can hear the years I played to everybody on that list,
nobody is better than me.

Speaker 6 (09:23):
And that's to me, And that's what I actually told.
That's all the fatim I said.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
You can't sit here and tell me this is based
on my merit, because statistically then I'm in. But so
it's basically it's a popularity contest and either someone in
the room doesn't like me or my presenters, and I
get So the part I get frustrated with is there's
no there's no they don't give you any guidelines, right,
there's no basis for who, why, what where? When there's
no real what's the word I'm looking for?

Speaker 2 (09:46):
So they're voting on the pope, they don't only tell
you what the vote is. Yeah, yeah, you know what
they're looking for. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (09:51):
And when you said, presenter, how does that work? So
you have somebody that represents you to the committee, correct,
so you go in and advocate on your behalf?

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, so I I I it's one of my voters
in Minnesota. Right, soone right, I'm going in as a Viking.
Well I had vote my very first year, no joke,
and I don't I don't know the guy, but I
got rested sould my my I had uh uh Minnesota
and chiefs was going in uh presenters and my presenter
in Kansas City died. He was a young man, Like
I was like, are you are you kidding me? I

(10:20):
mean that's how that's how it happened. And so I
haven't talked to the new guy in Kansas City. I
didn't talk last year. I didn't talk to anybody late last year.
But so that's what happens is you're you're you're your
voter for that, you're that team. Basically, you know, they
come in and some some of the good ones will
collect all this data on your but so the team
will put together these kind of sheets, these profile sheets

(10:41):
of why you know, where you rank all time and
all these different categories, uh, and try to give it
to your presenter and then it's their job to argue,
basically argue you in stand on the on the soapbox
for you and and see where you're in. And you
know people had different poll in the room. I mean
you got the Dungeons, you got you got Dungee in there.

Speaker 6 (10:57):
Who's got a lot of pool? You got Bill Polly
in because you got a ton of poll.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
I have to say I actually ran into uh, Steve
Hudcheson at the Titans the d of the day and
I'll never forget he got it. We were in the
Super Bowl Minnesota, right and he was up for the hot.
That might have been his first, first, first, or second bout.
But back then they used to bring you out to
the hall or to the to the Super Bowl. All
fifteen finalists and then you get dressed in your tuxedo,
wife's all dressed up, and you either get a phone

(11:22):
call saying sorry, I get on the plane, or you know,
you come down and you get you go to the
Wars ceremony, you get a Hall of Fame. So I
see Steve and the dude's just dejected. Right, Steve is
already drunk anyways, but he he was just like and
I was, and I see him, and I'm like, you know, I,
you know, playing with them all those times close for
as everyone.

Speaker 6 (11:39):
I was like, I'm not even going down, but I could.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
I've never understood it.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
And then I finally understood he got anything on his
third or fourth, I think third time. But then you
were talking to Day He's like, Brian, I was like,
I get it now.

Speaker 6 (11:49):
I give that that emo.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Beau's like, you.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Don't really care, but then you care in that brief moment.
Then you're so pissed off that you allowed somebody to
let you care about something that really doesn't.

Speaker 6 (11:56):
Affect your life.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
You know, from a standpoint of my wife's not gonna
love him anymore, my kids aren't gonna think I'm cooler
the dogs, and I gonna start.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
I definitely, I'm not gonna lie have been better.

Speaker 6 (12:12):
So, yeah, it's it's a weird it's a weird process.
It's a weird deal.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
But I appreciate you saying that I deserve to be
in and we'll see, we'll see what happens.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
There is somebody and I know who it is, and
I will not say who it is, but they have
kept it's a single person, an entity that has kept
me from hosting the c M A Awards, which is
the big yeah and so so and I and I
am like I do the A c MS and like
reab it did it and I did it like a
second string up. I'm part of that television broadcast. But
it's not the same as hosting the awards. I know
the person's kept me posting CMAS.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Do you know that? Don't say who it is, But
do you know who's keeping you on?

Speaker 6 (12:45):
No?

Speaker 3 (12:45):
I don't, well yes and no. And part of it
is is you know less he hears it. Part of
it is my presenter, right, my presenters, is what it
sounds like pretty much. Yeah, Well that's the other thing
about the process. I don't get like we should be
able to choose our presenters, right, right, I have a
team representer. Maybe you don't even get to choose somebody
that knows me well, you get to choose which team

(13:06):
you want, right, got so like last year, I know
there was a big push and I love I love Peppers,
I love Freenie. Pepper's one of my favorite players. The
white Frenizing is the reason why I became the highest
paid defensive player in the league in the history of
the NFL at the time, because he broke the bank
like Dwight started getting paid. Right, is the one that
got defensive players to get paid like quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Right.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
So, I mean, I nothing I would ever say anybody's
up for the Hall of Fame is well deserving my book, Right,
I'm kind of one of these things like, man, either
if you're gonna be on the file listid I put
them in?

Speaker 6 (13:33):
Put them in, or don'tut them in. Don't put me
on the list just to keep me on the list forever.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
But again, so you go through and and I know
there was a big push, you know, for Dwight to
get in last year where they were having you know,
other Hall of Famers were having video conferences with voters,
and I'm not I'm not I'm not about that. I'm
not going to kiss the ring. I'm not bound down
like I'm not. You know, it's like, if you want
me in on my merit put me in. If not,

(13:58):
no harm, no fail. I really it is what it is.
So I know there's there's that aspect, So I don't
I don't know if there's one particular, one person keeping
me up.

Speaker 6 (14:06):
I just think it's uh, the nature of the beast.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
And and you know, when you play the game the
way I played it, you know you kind of get which,
which is crazy because the characteristics that I want to
teach my kids that I think are positive hustle, try hard, right,
you know, basically just you know, being out there making
sure the fans know that I appreciate them showing up,
but I love what I do. It actually ends up
being a negative because they come back and say, like, oh,

(14:30):
he got on the sacks, says he hustled more than
other people, Like what that diminishes my talent? Oh he
tried harder than everybody else. A lot of I'm all right,
I guess I'm just the try hard hustle.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
You know.

Speaker 5 (14:43):
That's the label, guy, It's a label. But the thing
that I always appreciate about is when you play the game. Though,
the most exciting part for me was always to watch
your youthful enthusiasm, Like you had fun when you played
the game, and that that permeated throughout the entire team, right,
and when you did your sack and you did the

(15:03):
bull or whatever the heck you do, right, I mean
that that's the type of stuff that you know, not
everybody has that there. They have this workman like mentality
and they're told to act a certain way or do
it a certain and a certain method of Look, this
is how you're supposed to act. But just how you
went out each and every day and we had fun,
Like that's what made you a great teammate, but that's

(15:23):
also what made you such a lovable player in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Man.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah, I last year short not to have fun, you know.
I got to remind myself of that retirement.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Sometimes you do your homework.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Oh my gosh, real life issues. No that, But I
mean I literally was fortunate. I told my dad when
I was eight years old, I was gona play professional football.
Most parents are like, all right, Johnny, like go read
the books. My dad would drop me off. My dad
trained rain and cutting horses. So I managed ranches and
my dad, the rancher lived at the time, was about
a mile or so from the gate up to our
double wide trigler because we were high class back then,

(16:01):
and so I was what was I ten some of
your and I would run.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
He would make me run every night up to the hill.
And his whole philosophy is.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Like, you want to be in the pros, you better eat, sleep,
drinket because somebody out there is doing more than you are,
so you better better make sure you're doing the most
you could ever do. So most parents are like, yeah, okay,
have fun, you know, go to go to school. My
dad was like, you want to be in the boroughs,
let's get it, and he uh it was. It was
a hard nosed on it, and but that was that
was all I ever wanted to do. And so when

(16:30):
I when I got to play professional football as a
living and make a living doing it, man, that's there's
no great. Even on days that sucked, even training camp
days when you want to be just bitch and complaining
because it's training camp. You look back and you're like,
you know, I'm getting paid money to play a game.

Speaker 6 (16:44):
This is dope.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
How many celebrations did you have that didn't work out?
Because we all know you for the tie, but did
you ever do like.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
The giddy did you ever have?

Speaker 4 (16:51):
Like?

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Well, that was the thing, my very first one, first one,
I got fined five thousand dollars. So my my tied end,
my buddy, my roommate in college are tied in. Never
scored a touchdown, right, So I told him, I was like,
and he had, he had this brilliant sat your a
touchdown and celebration that he's gonna have, right, So we
were gonna we were gonna high fight, you know, low
five and then bring it back around, slap the thigh

(17:16):
like bodybuilders and flex it out right. That was that
was I was like, you never got a chance to
doing to college. My very first sack, I'm doing that
preseason don't count, but who cares preseasons first preseason game,
I sacked eight manning. Bamn, I hit that leg, shake
it out, bam, flex it five thousand dollars for se
suggested behavior.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Oh my god, that it was the outside of your side.
Yeah right here are thinking, but he's probably trying to
they said, they.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Said, I gotta find well, I didn't get a fine
because I was a fourth round pick. So there's other
people with my number on the team. Right, there was
an undrafted free agent lineman with the number sixty nine.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
They sent him a fine for five thousand dollars. It's like,
what is oh what he called the league and got
it sent to me.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
And so in the preseason if you have fined, you
don't pay it until you get make makes a team.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
I'm like, bro, you know you're not making the team, like.

Speaker 6 (18:08):
You know that. It still cost me five grand for that.
And then I had the vets my first couple of years.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
They would just pick celebrations for me to do, like,
all right, this week, you're doing the lawnmower. Dallas had
like two sacks against Dallas one year and jelly roll,
the original jelly roll Lionel Dalton.

Speaker 6 (18:30):
Uh, He's like, all right this year this game, you're
doing spirit fingers and high kicks. I'm like, this sucks, bro.
So finally finally caught on it, and I gotta give it.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
I was actually telling Dustin Coke with yesterday Neil Smith,
we went out to dinner. Neil Smith got put into
the Ring of Honor and Hank Junior sang the national
anthem my game. Okay, So I meet up with Neil
and then we ended up going out and we went
to dinner with with Hank Junior afterwards, which is.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
All a whole nother amazing and uh. And so Neil's like, hey.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Man, I really appreciate you doing my celebration. He's like,
but you know, you gotta come up with something.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Of your own.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
So I grew up on a ranch. I grew up
calf roping, and so that's how we came about it.
Talkingbot He's like, yeah, it was time up. So when
you calf rope, you know, you flink your calf, you
tied through legs, through your hands up. That's when I
stopped the clock.

Speaker 6 (19:20):
So we just started doing that on our quarterbacks and
it stuck.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
And then, yeah, did you ever sack me?

Speaker 6 (19:25):
I did several times?

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Thank you. I appreciate that. I do actually cost you
with the Chiefs.

Speaker 5 (19:30):
You remember that you two with the Chiefs.

Speaker 6 (19:33):
But no, Dallas, we were playing you, Dallas.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
When I was in Carolina, we were playing Dallas Thanksgiving
and I was clean off the edge, smoked my guy,
and you like, just shuffle up.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
I think you got like one yard of flicked it
away off the castle. You could have just slid. I
should have. I would have helped you out.

Speaker 6 (19:49):
I think I think I would have tied Richard Dent
if you were to just taken the sack.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
I mean, I remember being with the Chiefs and you
come around this edge and I kind of just see
you in my peripheral and I spun out and I
just remember.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
You get back up. I got a take off running.
I'm like running for my life. I'm like, blow the whistle,
blow the whistle. Is there an honor amongst people that
know each other?

Speaker 4 (20:08):
If the shot is there, maybe you don't take you
almost brother in law a bit.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
They never know.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
If I know you, I'm probably hitting harder.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
So if he's their blindside done, Uh, he's gonna try
to rip my head off. I know about it.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
I mean I'm not gonna know ill will I I've
never once in my life tried to intentionally hurt anybody.
But absolutely, at no point would I.

Speaker 6 (20:30):
Take it easy on anybody on the football field.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Buddy honey, Well, he's gonna not throw the winning touchdown,
you know what I mean? Like that's I think, Uh,
actually that's what I respect. That's what I respect about
like m m A and you know, you know, like
boxing mm A and uh and and and football, like contact,
you know, athletic sports. It's like when you're on the field,
you can be friends. We can be friends afterwards when
we field healthy respect for each other. Absolutely, we'll laugh

(20:55):
and joke.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
But loud when you're when you're lined up a quarterback,
you know where he is by by vocally.

Speaker 5 (21:01):
Well one hundred percent plus. You study the film during
the week and they always go through like early in
the week, it goes through game wreckers, so you circle
the game wreckers and he was always one of those dudes.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
We got to block this guy. We gotta give him
chip help, we gotta do this.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
But on the field, there's a constant banter going on,
especially with somebody like him who's got confidence.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
He's a little brash. He's gonna let you.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
Know I'm coming for you, you know, and you just you
gotta tune it out, especially at my position because I've
got a lot other crap to think about other than.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Getting hit from the backside of my head.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
But I mean, so you just gotta I mean, and
it's it's not just him. It's consistent banter, particularly linebackers
and defensive lineman.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
It's all day long. Who was the hardest physically guy
to take down?

Speaker 6 (21:45):
Oh? So Rolisberger is on that list. He's massive. But
you know who was you remembers guarded.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
From from Jacksonville.

Speaker 6 (21:56):
He was David was a tank.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
He was all for and then like lower body thick too,
and you could you come in you you know, he
was tough.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
That really stands out. Roethlisberger was another one. You know
that was probably the two that come up. Were you
around could pepper at all?

Speaker 2 (22:18):
I was?

Speaker 5 (22:19):
He's another pepper. He's another massive human. Yep, Like some
of these guys are just you know that set, lower
half strength.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
And all that.

Speaker 5 (22:26):
And then when you think about Roethlisberg, he was just
savvy and elusive and and for a guy his size,
he wasn't like a quick twitch for example.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
He just knew where to get where to be in
the pockets to get you Like you know, were most
guys you could probably come around, grab an arm or
jersey and get that. But he's he's big and strong
enough and knows exactly would be where he can shape
that off and still keep his eyes downfield. Uh, that's
that was a tough part about him. You weren't You
weren't afraid of him running. You're afraid of him. You know,
you get into the quarterback and again him shaking you
or like as far as like you're missing the sack

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and then you know, standing the play long enough just
to get downfield, and a lot of a lot of
the mobile guys when you hit him, they go down. Yeah,
probably you gotta hit him's So I'm glad I don't
play anymore than like Lamar Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 5 (23:10):
The game has changed at that position so dramatically. It's wild.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Who was the most mobile guy you played against?

Speaker 6 (23:15):
Michael Vick? Yeah, that's Michael Vick, absolutely nuts. But do
you know what scrangepart was?

Speaker 3 (23:22):
We we destroyed him because we just knew how to
beat him. And I'll never forget. I think it was
my as my rookie year, and we watched tape and
we this is no joke, how we practiced to sack him.

Speaker 6 (23:33):
So we knew where he was going to escape.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
So we our whole plan was, we're gonna blitz the
living crap out of him, and we're gonna make him.

Speaker 6 (23:38):
Escape, right, and when he escapes. We know you want
to juke.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
You inside, he's gonna try to get the corner, so
don't fall over the first juke. So our whole, our
whole practice that week, we would we would come We
played like basically boot bout legs style. We squeezed that
a lot of scrimmage, and then we would just run
to the sidelines and no joke, I gotta sack. I
tell people, I ran down, ran down Michael Vick because
he broke out and I just ran this.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Now, did you shoe string him or you actually? Oh
my god, Oh my god, that's that's one.

Speaker 6 (24:06):
He did break one. I should have three that game.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
I had two, but yeah, I hawked him down on
a blot leg because that's coach.

Speaker 6 (24:13):
I just ran to the sideline.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
Anybody who didn't get the thinking back like I never
got X and that would have been.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
I never got Russell Wilson came very close there, but
all the other ones. I think that's pretty much everybody.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
It's funny to hear you talk about big quarterback. You're like,
you're a big dude, but you're not.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
A When I met Eli Manning, it was like probably
the first NFL player that I.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Like stood next to, like stood, not just sit. And
there's a different And I met Elin on television.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
He looks like just a dude, normal dude, and he's
kind of like, hey, I'm Eli.

Speaker 6 (24:47):
He's sneaky.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
He's a monster.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
Sneaky's yeah, he's I had no idea, but that if
that's normal, it's a land of months.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Well it's funny too because in our world either not,
we don't consider them like a big quarterback like him.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
He walks in here like I'm six one, he's six four,
he's but he's not big.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Yeah, Matt, Matt's and I so we we we equate
in the quarterback where I'm like, so Roethlisberger is a
big dude, right, Yeah, you're like six six. You look
at guys like Peyton Eli, I look, we kind of
think more like on their physical prowess, like you know, Peyton,
those guys they're gonna get.

Speaker 6 (25:22):
They live on getting the ball out of their hands quick.
But you, I mean, you breathe on Peyton and.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
They're going to go.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Is not gonna set himself up to get either, like Brady's.
Brady's a big athletic guy, but you but his demeanor
is never like physically overbearing to where there's certain guys
you're just like, holy crap.

Speaker 6 (25:42):
You know those guys you got to worry.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
About them beating the other physical attributes because they can
throw the ball, but mentally they know where they're going
before they go, right, that's what that's there, that's their
secret sauces.

Speaker 6 (25:53):
They know everything you're going to do and then they
have a counter for it.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
And so you know when we talk about guys that
were like, man, these guys are big physical guys.

Speaker 6 (26:02):
You know you.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
You you often led more towards the athletic guys. But yeah,
I mean, you can't be small and survive in the
in the league.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
I mean I get that all the time too. It's
like you're a big dude. I didn't know you're that big.

Speaker 5 (26:13):
I was like, I just look small because our offensive
linemen are six six, three hundred and twenty and you've
we just we we are presented in a different way.
And then all of a sudden, you see me. I'm like,
comparatively speaking, I'm yeah, I'm a pretty big dude.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah. I went to Japan. I was a monster so good.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
Oh dude, it was a great, like I'm taller than
the average person here. But I'm in Japan on the subway,
and I'm like, suck it, like I.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Am a gigantic human.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
But that's what you guys still like you're here. Yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
I'm always like I don't I guess I don't even
think I'm that big at the time, and then.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
People are like, you're hell big. I'm like, oh, hell,
that's aid Norang Cow coming drop weight? Or did you
gain weight after you finished playing?

Speaker 3 (26:57):
No, I'm down probably twenty five pounds. I played like two.
I played at two fifty five most of my career.
I'm like thirty two.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Now is that natural?

Speaker 6 (27:07):
Yeah? Meaning?

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Was it hard?

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Is it worked to drop weight? Where does it work
to keep I?

Speaker 6 (27:11):
Uh know, I but I'm we like.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
I have my own little mini farm over here. I
have my own orchard garden where you eat completely organic.
I try to avoid all all big food everything and
but no, and then I realized muscleway is more than fat.

Speaker 6 (27:27):
So I just quit working out. So dropped quick. That's
one to twenty pounds muscle mass.

Speaker 5 (27:32):
And uh, let's be honest, though, how many players that
we've played with over the years.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Go the exact Oh you only on one or too?

Speaker 6 (27:40):
Did you guys see Tama Howley on the on the
Chiefs Stay?

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (27:42):
Oh gosh, my stepdad sent me a picture.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
I'm like, first of all, let's not let's not talk
about how Biky got. Let's talk about the fact that
dude is rocking a legit skullet. He has no hair
and he's got braids coming out the beat of it.
I haven't talked to Tomba in years, and I just
wonder if you're listening to this at all, Tamba, God
bless you.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yes, Love, rock Daley got skinny.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
I mean a lot of these guys they go the opposite,
the opposite way.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Kyle had to work hardest, Pat Pat Williams dropped one
hundred pounds.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
It's amazing. Give it.

Speaker 6 (28:14):
Uh, what do you mean you've seen? How you seen
Jake Long?

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Right, it's drastic changes.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
A lot of it's sucks a big guys that are
just big because our faces are big. So when our
bodies get small, our faces like, oh I just got
a big ass head.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Your head does stay the same size. Why didn't my
forehead shrink.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
When I was a baby up until like six, and
I didn't grow like you guys did. My mom had
to go slits into my shirt because my head was
so big because they couldn't didn't fit it through.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Now.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
Luckily for me, I chose a life of doing television
and radio and podcasting. So it works for me because
there's a large presentation of a face here. Yeah, but
as an accountant that was solid.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
But when you walked into the form people like daddy
his head, yeah, you would be the big guy.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
I get the circumference of that face like I can
just like man, that dude that is that is computing
powers off the charts brain how is huge? I take
a quick break.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
We have more with Jared Allen coming up on lots
to say, how are you competing?

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Do you need to compete?

Speaker 4 (29:28):
It something?

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Is it the curl Yes?

Speaker 6 (29:30):
I was up to this year.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
I had a little uh snap foo with USA Curling.
I got asked to be on Corey dropped in his
team as an alternate. They kind of blocked it. So
and the way the Olympic Trials is set up this year,
the first the top three point setters, which are pretty
much already set.

Speaker 6 (29:44):
They're automatically and then.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
I have a one like a one one tournament winner
take all for the fourth spot.

Speaker 6 (29:49):
So next year we'll probably put a team together, try.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
To do that.

Speaker 6 (29:52):
I don't feel the need. I love it. I mean,
competing is always fun.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
I don't feel the need to compete. I don't think
I just like having fun, be honest.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Talking about the curling thing a little bit.

Speaker 5 (30:02):
I got when you got done right, you put you
compile the team of all x NFL guys, right, it
was bold?

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah, it was when I moved out here about seven
years ago. So I took a bet from a buddy
of mine to make the Olympics and.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Bet, like, what's that be consist of? Like it money? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (30:17):
Well money?

Speaker 2 (30:18):
It really might matter.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Because he couldn't afford the bet anyway, as he was
drawing it throughout a stupid number and.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Sow the best bets happened. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Well the first bet was I was supposed to make
the PGA, a PGA Tour event within three years of retiring.
So I was playing in the Tahoe Golf tournament and
I sucked. I was just playing the crap. He's like,
you have no chance, you guys. He's like, you might
as well, pay the bet now. And that's so I
told him. I was like, Okay, put the money in
escrow right now. You will put the money in escrow
and I'll match it.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
I'll pay.

Speaker 6 (30:45):
I couldn't do it.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
So then we're over at the house nerves by the fire.
I'm uh you want, I'm like two for one bearing him,
you know, yeah, there you go. And so my final
have my buddies are all there and we'll start talking
about and I just watched Eddie the Eagle and I
was like, Moles.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
It was like, let's parlay this, you know, Moles, Yes, yes,
beautiful human.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Oh gosh, what a train wreck. Love that guy and
probably you'll be probably the funniest hum ving on the
face of the earth. And he's talking about like small
but he's got like a big nose and so nobody
actually hit him because they feel bad for him, but
he just verbally assaults everybody.

Speaker 6 (31:15):
Uh so that's always fun. And so we ended up
getting this bet.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
And I just watched any Eagle and so I was like, Peter,
how about we parlay this into me making the Olympics,
all right?

Speaker 6 (31:25):
And he was like done.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
So I was originally started badminton and then Boulder.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
That's tough. So Bulger I was like, I was like,
what don't you do with somebody that you know? Right?

Speaker 6 (31:35):
And I was like, all right, Bulger, I just happen
to run a Bulger.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
You want to try to make the Olympics as a
badminton player, and he was like, I'm in.

Speaker 6 (31:43):
I was like, let's get it.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
So I literally signed us up for like an average
Joe how dodgeball tournament, but bad meant up in like
some Catholic church in Jersey. And he comes with me
an email and he's like I can't do this. And
I was like, China national team with these dudes are
getting after it, Like man, there they're fine. Ten five

(32:05):
shuttles wh twenty our show is pretty impressive. And he's like,
my backbone, hold up. I'm like, yeah, I probably might
not either. I'm like, so we started looking at curling.
I was like, looking at all the sportstreet you weren't
very good at and on the website of the it's
like most people.

Speaker 6 (32:17):
Start in their forties. The loser, the winner has to
buy the losers beer, and I'm like, this is fantastic.
I'm in love this.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
So then I was having the bullet.

Speaker 6 (32:27):
Our kids go to school together too, So I'm like, Keith,
you want to try to make it limbusy. He's like, yep,
I'm in.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
So then Roos has having done with Russ and Roos
is like six six nine hundred pounds c literally talking
about a big guy man.

Speaker 6 (32:39):
He's like six seven I think six seven.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Six eight, like three thirty and uh my, rous you
want to curl and get the dancing bear on the arts?

Speaker 2 (32:46):
He was like, I mean, did you actually like it? Oh?

Speaker 6 (32:50):
It's so much fun. I absolutely love it.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
I love it now. It's it's tough because there's like.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
A four they are like all four eight tournaments, right,
but we've traveled all over the world in Switzerland played
and uh uh we've we've qualified for four nationals. I've
played four four nationals, no, no joke. I actually have
a silver metal of a silver medal nationalist curler. So
my first year Rich Runs team asked me to be
the alternate for nationals, which is great. I'm like, lord,
great learning experience. We just practiced all that, but they

(33:14):
were whooping everybody. So I got to play like eight ens, right,
I was.

Speaker 6 (33:16):
I was. I was the guy coming in the fourth
courting preseason.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
I did it, and I did it a lot, don't worry, And.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
I was coming in and getting after it right dead time,
and and.

Speaker 6 (33:28):
So I played a leader. I didn't even think.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
I'm like, there's no way that they taking second place.
They lost the shuster and I got a freaking silver
medal in the in the middle, and I'm like, there's
nothing about this sport that.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Makes your bed, But yes, it's fun.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
I I realized though, curl I'm i'm i'm my competitive spirit.
I am very competitive obviously, but my competitive scrilling doesn't
necessarily or conspirit doesn't necessarily always translate to curling. Because
they have a thing called in the spirit of curling,
they're supposed to be nice to each other. And in
my first couple of years, we'd get off the ice
getting beat. I would shatter brooms in the locker room
and scare the piss and everybody. And curlers are dorks, Like, honestly,

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I love them to death, but it's like bean counters.
They're all like quantum physics, like engineers, and they're all
wick and smart, and I'm just like, uh so when
a six sixth dude comes in and shadows a broom.

Speaker 6 (34:19):
Everybody's like, oh, some.

Speaker 5 (34:21):
Of you're not allowed to talk any crap whatsoever on
the ice.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
It's fun.

Speaker 6 (34:25):
It's frownd him.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
I was very passive aggressive. It's like, nice shot, and
you're like, you know that wasn't nice shot.

Speaker 6 (34:30):
I just missed.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
I know.

Speaker 6 (34:34):
It so stupid.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Oh that's so good. You keep up with the vikings
at all? Now I do. I do.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
I don't watch a lot of football enough just to
you know, not be dumb when I get on the
radio or whatever.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
But I do.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
And I'm stoked that no one will thought we were
going this route, and it makes my uh not keep
Kirk Cousins comment make like a lot more.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Was that the big take for a while?

Speaker 6 (34:59):
Well, yeah, well I got I didn't throw the bus,
although I think the organization wasn't the happiest.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
I got calls from everybody just because I was asked
if they should resign Kurt, and I said, no, I don't know, Kurt.
Kurt makes as much money as you can. Let's keep
the game of the game, God bless you, and he has.
But I'm like, we cannot go out and pay forty
million dollars a year right for what he's you know,
if he's supposed to be. We we went five. He
was having the best year of his career and we

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went five hundred. Right, we were like four and four
when he got hurt. We came in with guys that
literally I think they took somebody off a Southwest flight
and put him in a quarterback.

Speaker 6 (35:33):
Like four and five.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
You know, like it doesn't make sense to spend money
on that. Go get a draft pick, which they did.
And I think Kevin's a phenomenal coach and Corazy is
a great GM because Grazy does a great job of
taking all the analytics right. So I mean it's kind
of like two philosophy the NFL. Right, you got guys
that are solely film driven or player driven, then you
got guys are solely analytics driven. What I think the
Vikings are doing a great job right now. They're using
the analytics to get the players that Kevin wants, right,

(35:57):
and then Kevin us.

Speaker 6 (35:58):
Kevin's so humble.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
That he you know, he he works with guy and
you can just you can see the vibe that guys have.
You can see what Brian Floor is doing there. You
know they're gonna put guys in the best position to
be successful, not necessarily put guys for their you know,
for their system to be successful.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
If that makes sense, Well, what do you think about
the quarterback situation?

Speaker 2 (36:15):
We're talking about it. We will not lead you in
any direction. We have our thoughts. But what's happened with
Donald slash? Do you sign them?

Speaker 4 (36:20):
So?

Speaker 6 (36:21):
I don't think, I don't think you pay them.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
I mean you got to look at I mean I think,
I mean, now you win a super Bowl with them,
where you get the NFC championship game, he's going to
get paid.

Speaker 6 (36:29):
But here's the problem, and this is what Sam is
probably going a lot long.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
He's you're when you're a top pick, you go to
a crappy team, and then he went to another crappy team.

Speaker 6 (36:37):
So now we're on the team that has parts and pieces.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
You got to Sam, Donald's not the guy, and you know,
just in the same way like you know, but you
have success if he if he takes them in and
let's say you go deep in the playoffs, a crappy
team is going to sign him to try to be
the guy, and they're not going to surround him with
the pieces. And I think that's what the Vikings have done. Great,
they're not making Sam try to beat everybody, But what
you want a guy that can do You hate to
use her a game manager, but I always say, like,

(37:00):
just don't screw it up.

Speaker 6 (37:01):
Hand the ball off, throw your time to I.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Mean with Justin Jeffers said, I think I can play
quarterback and be decent. But I don't know that you
can pay him what he's going to be acquired because now,
but I don't.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
I wouldn't be opposed for this star. I wouldn't be
opposed if they could get him at somewhat a bargain.
That's another one you wantin yeah, twenty.

Speaker 6 (37:21):
In this in this market, twenty five a.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Year, I was saying, thirty five forty.

Speaker 6 (37:24):
Yeah, I don't. I wouldn't pay him. Thirty five to forty.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Fifty is like top tier. That's the two. That's the
I just don't think you.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Can pay him thirty five forty based on one but
one year's body of work, right, because if you have,
you got to look over the the totality of what
he's done. And yeah, there's circumstances, but I if you,
if you could get him for some thirty, I would say, yeah,
let let JJ sit back there and uh and suck it.

Speaker 6 (37:47):
Up for a couple of years.

Speaker 5 (37:48):
I think also the from a quarterback perspective, he goes
into this offseason says, yes, somebody might offer me that
fifty forty five, say forty just based on what he
did last year, but you're going to a worst team.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
So I think Minnesota's bargaining power.

Speaker 5 (38:03):
Is the fact that if you give me a fair
market deal and within the realm of what we were
just talking about, now he knows he can come back
and has success because he's seen the other side of it,
right the other side of the Jets, in the Panthers
and now being thrown to the Wolves and saying, you
know what, this guy, maybe he's a bus he's no good.
Goes to the forty nine er, see how a real

(38:24):
organization's run. Then he comes here and he has his
first real team and supporting casts around him. He has
a tremendous amount of success. If I'm him, I'm going
to take a little bit of a pay cut to
come back to an organization that believes in me, that
I led this year, that I have the locker room
everything else. Because that's going to create more longevity in
the long run for you as a player, versus now

(38:45):
you go test the waters again and you go and
you're at a rebuilding.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Oh, I agree. The only downfall is that you know,
you have a top Where do they take jj att
ten ten?

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Right?

Speaker 3 (38:55):
You have a top ten pit, So you have a
couple of down games. You know how the fans are.
I mean, it's every team. That's the nature of the beast,
theajure the beasts. So I think, yeah, I would, I
hope they would look at it. I think what he's
done has been amazing. I think, I be honest, I
just I love seeing I love seeing under I like
to see like the rejuvenation of people's clubs.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Right.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
But I think the most important thing to look at too,
and I always say this, when you got guys that
are clearly good players, right, You'll see it when guys
switch teams and they have a dramatic dip or something.
It's usually coaching, right, you know, It's it's how your
coaches can make a huge difference on how they manage you, right,
and and how what what that stress level looks like.
I mean again, you got you have an overbearant coach

(39:34):
who wants full control. You know, you might not get
the best out of that player.

Speaker 5 (39:38):
Russell Wilson is a great exam guy, went to what
eight Pro Bowls in the ten year span, won a
Super Bowl, goes to Denver. Not in the great situation
with the with Hackett in there is their new head coach.
He gets fired by the end of the season. Sean
Payton comes in. He's one of those guys control. It's
his way. There's no in between, right, there's no middle.

(39:58):
It's black and white, you know. And he didn't have
a bad season last year, that's the crazy part about it.
But they just don't want to pay him. They release him.
Now he's on the Steelers and he's probably got a
better supporting cast and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
But what if they won nine straight?

Speaker 5 (40:10):
Yeah, you know, it's amazing how much environment and situation
impact players.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
And I don't think enough players look at that when
when they're making decisions, right, I mean, it's understanding the
environment you're going into is huge. Like so I can
see Donald now depending on what New York that the
Giants do, right, I mean, the ball is supposed to
be this offensive genius guru, But who do they have?
So if I'm Sam, I'm going to this year, you know,

(40:36):
I look at a who's who's my who's my offensive staff?

Speaker 6 (40:39):
Right? And then who's my supporting cast?

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Like you know, just I don't know what did they
do down in Tampa if they paid you know, Mayfield
or not.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
They get alien?

Speaker 6 (40:48):
So yeah, I just don't know where where does he go?

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Well, did the Vikings have any I mean, we're giving
Donald all the power in the situation, but did the
Vikings want to pay him thirty million? Thirty five million?
Would they do that? Do you think?

Speaker 3 (41:00):
No?

Speaker 6 (41:00):
I think I think the way Quazi's is going to
look at it, I mean I.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Think, like, do they want them back?

Speaker 3 (41:05):
I mean I think you'd be dumb to say you
don't want him back. I mean because I mean, look
look at the success you have. I think any coach,
any organization wants consistency. So if you have consistency, they
obviously know what they have. But you know, they put
JJ down.

Speaker 6 (41:19):
For a reason.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Best thing for him, I think, best thing for Sam
because it created no tension, no controversy. Right, So again,
I think it all depends on where you end up.
Where you end up in the playoffs. I mean, look
at the North. The North is stupid good, right, and
the Bears are only going to get better, right, And
that's so that's another situation you look like, look at
where the Bear should probably be, what capab Willings should

(41:41):
be if they had the proper coaching staff in there,
you know, because they went out and spent money this offseason.

Speaker 5 (41:46):
Yeah, and it's just been one of those unfortunate things
for Caleb.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
He's had his own growing pains.

Speaker 5 (41:51):
He hasn't played well of times, but again he's got
a supporting cast around him. They've got to get better
on the offensive line, absolutely, But like you said, the
North is and they're young Detroit, Minnesota, and then you
got Chicago.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
So I think I think the Vikings are in a
situation where they absolutely would would take them back for
the right circumstances. And you got a top ten pick
that you can groom for two years. I mean you
look at the success guys that have sat for a
couple of years have had. Look at Aaron Rodgers, look
at Jordan Love. I think you can there's probably a
handful of other that that you could. You can name
Patrick Mahomes, right, I mean, so you look at guys

(42:26):
that you know, so I think if you could get
Donald on a two year I mean even if you
get him on like a two year I don't.

Speaker 6 (42:33):
Know, seventy something like that.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
I mean, maybe it's worth it two years sixty, uh,
just to kind of stop you up that and have
some consistency going forward.

Speaker 6 (42:42):
Yeah, because the North is tough.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
So I think they do want him back, but I
think it's but the Vikings, I think are in a
great position because they can stay strong to the price
that they have. They have they have the guy that
they want in the in the in the future, and
where's he going to go.

Speaker 5 (42:54):
But that's the thing with JJ, You're you're also you
have to make the decision based on the fact you're
rolling the dice. JJ has not taken a snap in
the NFL. He came from a program in Michigan under
Jim hart Ball where they ran the football. Now, I'm
not taking anything away from j. J. McCarthy because I
watched him in person, and this dude's legit, Like, he
makes plays, he can extend plays, he's got a great arm.

(43:15):
But again, it was a very run first offensive unit
and they were just better than their opponents, and then
all of a sudden you say, okay, we're gonna let
him step in and take over. Which Minnesota throws the
ball a lot more than they did at Michigan. So
it'll just be interesting to see how that looks right
moving forward, if they believe that JJ is the guy

(43:36):
that can step in day one as a first, first
time starter basically in this league and pick up where
they left off this year. Because you're trying to go,
especially with the direction, like I said, of that division.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
That's the problem, right, I don't think any I'll be honest,
I didn't expect to be tended too.

Speaker 6 (43:49):
I didn't expect them, you know.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
I was like, man, if we could get to we
if we have a five hundred, or if we're slightly here,
I am, I'm like, we like I'm still a part
of the organization. I just well, well my name's in
the stadium, so I figured I could say we got
away with it. Crazy is probably like you have zero
pool shut up. So but I think I think if
they can literally I viewed Donald's as a stop gap, right,

(44:15):
but you can't because you know, if if we would
have been five hundred, maybe even.

Speaker 6 (44:20):
Into the playoffs wildcard. I mean still might be the wildcard.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
But you know what I mean, if you're if you're okay,
everybody'll be like, dang o' conlin's gonna be coach of
the year.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
If he's not, Flores might be coach of the year.
What he's doing there, d.

Speaker 6 (44:34):
Just killing it. So he might be gone. We'll see
what happens there. But then you tell Donald, so it's like.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
You can't, like, you're right, you know, if you're not
in this position where you're literally fighting, you know, one
of the league's best records, you can't go backwards.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
He's also twenty seven, which helps to if you are
thirty three, it would be a different story as well.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Well, right, you're coming off an Achilles, you're coming off that.
So the Vikers were like, we can't, we can't do that, right,
And so you you you find lightning and bottle of
Sam Donald, I think you got to write it on
as long as possible. But and again, I just I'm
trying to think of all the teams throughout the league
right now. I don't know where he goes to get
a big payday that's going to give him the supporting

(45:12):
cast Minnesota. So I'm with you. I take a pick cut.
Yeah right, I mean you're gonna you're gonna get increase
to make a what ten year now?

Speaker 4 (45:18):
Yeah, but you guys are smart and retired, right, Remember
when you were twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven, did
you smart?

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Right?

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Exactly what it was?

Speaker 4 (45:27):
It was, I need to make sure I can get paid,
so I can because what you know, the average player
plays for so long and injuries.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
Yeah, but I think I think he's in a situation where,
you know, he's definitely he's caught the eye of the
of the entire league, right right, and there's gonna be
there's gonna be unfair expectations put on him. And I think,
like you said, he's got the unique privilege though, of
knowing what the other end looks like.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Here.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
I remember most young guys like myself, I mean, we
were just you know, I come off leaving the league
in sacks from getting paid. I will go anywhere over
my handle dirt, you know, let me come. But at
the end of the day too, I mean I had
a chance to go to Tampa. It was between Tampa Minnesota,
and Minnesota was a better fit for me based on
who they had with with the D line, I mean
Pat and Kevin Williams, you know, Ray Edwards. On the
other side, you had Antonine w Field, like we had

(46:16):
we had guy Adrian Peterson. So you know, guys look
at that because you do want to win Super Bowl.
And then from a quarterback position, you know super Bowls, playoffs,
wins matter, right, you know those other positions defensive guys,
stats matter for almost right, I mean all wins matter, right.

Speaker 6 (46:31):
You want to win.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
But my career is not judged, but my winner lost record.
Sam Donald's career will be a judge by his winner
loss record, right, And so I think he's got to
take that into accountability or take that into account when
he's when he's looking at this and again, I mean,
he knows what it's like to be on a crappy
team with all the expectations riding on you.

Speaker 5 (46:50):
And I understand what Bobby saying, he's.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
A year if it's not.

Speaker 5 (46:53):
Everybody looks at it like as a player, a lot
of time, you're trying to capitalize and make the most
money that you can because you know that tomorrow's not
promised because of the injury rate. You also know that hey,
when you fall out a favor, you have an up
and down year or whatever, they're looking for the next
best thing, and you're replaceable. Everybody in this league is replaceable.
And so I understand what you're saying. If somebody comes

(47:15):
in and says, hey, we'll give you fifty million dollars
a year, and you're getting thirty five over here, that's
fifteen more, you're like, I can deal with some of
these guys.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
We'll figure it out. Make sure he's guaranteed, Yeah, make sure.
And that's what.

Speaker 5 (47:31):
So many of these guys now, they're signing guaranteed deals,
especially if you're coming to be the franchise guy, that
there's guaranteed.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Now, it's not Wan Soto money really, but what is
what it? Ever has been talking about this.

Speaker 6 (47:43):
But he's only fifty million year. Patrick Mahomes making fifty
million year.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
It's seven hundred million over fifteen years.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Fifty is good.

Speaker 6 (47:50):
Pat's making five hundred over ten.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Yeah. But yeah, he doesn't get hit, true, he just
has to.

Speaker 6 (47:56):
Hit and it's guaranteed that dude could break his leg
tomorrow and.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Make That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (48:01):
Three quarters of a billion dollars.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
Wild and the difference is so to think about baseball
and this is the strong and I love baseball and

(48:24):
grew up, but I don't love it as much because
it's not as fun. There aren't as many stars, it
doesn't have the room. But think of just go, yeah,
he's a big star. Let's go the biggest Starlet's watch.
Let's say you're watching baseball, though you only see Otani
bat one out of every nine times.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
He doesn't even play the field. But even imagine plays
the field.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
He may make four or five plays a game, so
you're seeing him a total of like six minutes a game,
the biggest star in baseball.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
So and again, how is the He's coming back this year? Guys,
he'll be on the mountain this year. If you yes,
I mean that's what makes.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Him Baseball football different.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
You're the quarterback.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
You're and I'm just like a marketing and amount of
being of being seen quarterback. You're seen all the time.
So when you compare my homes, you're like, but he
makes it. But he is on camera at least sixty
five percent of the entire broad in telecast. Right, yeah,
so and sodo is not so true.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
He comes about one of nine times gets a ball
hit to him occasion.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Are they even on network television anymore? Once a week
on Apple?

Speaker 4 (49:27):
It's like the hard broadcast to find All right, we
have one question each and we'll wrap this up.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
I'll go first.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
You ever have to hide an injury while you play
so they don't take advantage of it.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Not so they won't take advantage of it, so you
don't get a non football related injury.

Speaker 6 (49:44):
I tore my peck. Most of my injuries came from
doing dumb stuff.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Oh you didn't want the team to know.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Oh yeah, so I tore my peck. My right it's
still torn. I never fixed it. I tore my right
peck wakeboarding, and I was literally just like a couple
of weeks before OTA's started and I was out wakeboarding
screwing around dragging my arm in the water, and it caught.

Speaker 6 (50:05):
I just freaking ripped it.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
So I was like, oh dude, my whole arm was
just beat just purple from my chest down to my arm.
And so I iced it for like ten days, got it,
got got through tas, and I never do anything. So
they probably wondered why why Jersey It was bad as
a mini camp actually, so I put my put my
shoulder harness on because I had an acy joint issue before.

Speaker 6 (50:28):
So I went out there, came back in after practice.
I was like, ah, show you know. I think I
tweaked my.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Pack a little bit. Man. He was like, document was like,
tweaked it.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
He's like, your peck is completely torn. I was like,
so what what is that? What are we doing here?
And he's like surgery is only cosmetic, Like what's your
pain tolerance? Can you operate? I played the right side,
so I went in my left side of the body.
I was like, well, I'm good. How did you do it?

Speaker 2 (50:53):
I was like, clearly, I was like other day, but
this happened. Oh.

Speaker 6 (51:01):
The other one was deer hunting. I fell. I was,
I was Kansas City.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
I still have the scar on my even rookie, You're
sitting here and we get ready to play uh Indianapolis
and I was out. I shot too deer and uh
I did I SHO had three tags? I shot three.
I didn't want to say. I felt like three was
like three was like O noxious to say. But anyways,
I felt all my tags, let's put it that way.
So I'm dragging them back and are on the other side.

(51:27):
Of the barber our fence.

Speaker 6 (51:28):
I come over.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
As I'm climbing over the fence, the little d ring
on the barber on the on the post snaps right,
and I got a barb stuck into my uh nether regions,
so to speak, right into my I'm like, oh, crap
in my fermal artery, right, So.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
How do you blame that on? Mini? Can no come
up with something?

Speaker 3 (51:46):
I get the bar about right, I get these deer
processed and everything, and I get my buddy and I'm.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Like, I'm like, man, I'm like covered in blood.

Speaker 6 (51:52):
I don't know the world is blood's coming from deer?
And that was that big of a deal. And I
looked down at my hand is completely filayed back, I'll
see the tendons of my thumb.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
So I called my buddy was farm I want I'm like,
I gotta get to a doctor, like.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Low key sorry, no, no, Joey, I think you took
me to the vet, all right, it took me.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
I was a small town of freaking Kansas city or
up and sorry up in northern Kansas or up northern
Missouri like Gallas of Missouri area.

Speaker 6 (52:18):
And I'm in a small.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Town getting in there washing out and give me some
pills because I got deer blood just mixed with my blood.
And it was like, here, take this so you don't
get limes and seas. I'm all right, stitch me. I
think I had like thirty five or twenty five stitching
or something like that, and I might So.

Speaker 6 (52:32):
I go into the U, go into the training room.
Next day, I'm like hey, but I was like, I
need a I need a pad for my hand.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Why.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
He was like why as the end of my truck
last night, I slept on the running boards and uh
went to grab the door, sliced my hand open, just
went down to hear the carriage stitching up, like that's
not min I just looked at me and he was
like that story going with.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
I said, well, I'm going you see my contract. There's
a lot of red.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Pad right there, just too uh and I'm four backs
the balls that game?

Speaker 2 (53:06):
What the hell?

Speaker 3 (53:06):
That?

Speaker 2 (53:09):
So? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (53:09):
Nothing never to hide, you know. I felt like if
I'm on the if I'm on the field, like I'm
able to play.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
I played through torn MCL's a C joints, broken foot.

Speaker 6 (53:19):
I played the Super Roll with a broken foot, busted
L five in my back. I was fine, so kind kind.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Of way it is.

Speaker 5 (53:25):
Yeah, I don't think I've had anything where I'm jumping
over Barbara fences or doing anything like that.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
I mean hiding injury. The only time is when I.

Speaker 5 (53:33):
Thought I was going into a contract here and I
knew that it was gonna like I sublux my kneecap
coming from the Patriots and my knee was super swollen.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
But I knew I got traded to Kansas City.

Speaker 5 (53:43):
Hey, speaking of pay day, I'm going yes, So so
I was like, gosh, I mean this thing was swollen
like this, I'm supposed to go there that week, and
I was like I was icing it, taking all the
anti inflammatories, doing all that stuff. And I get in
and they take, you know, all the X rays and
the MRIs to make sure that you're healthy enough.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Like well, your knee, there's something going on with your
knee hair. I was like, no, I feel good, right, like.

Speaker 5 (54:08):
Obviously no, Seriously, They're like, yeah, it's pretty messed up,
like they might need to do something to it. And
I was like, no, I'm good, Seriously, I feel great.
I played the later, yeah, and I passed the physical
somehow some way, and like we're good.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
To go. I was like, yes, let's go.

Speaker 5 (54:25):
But it's a scary thought because especially when it's going
to impact you. You're set up to go, you know, financially,
make your pay day or whatever you might do, or
even make the team next year. Because you get hurt
and you go into an offseason, you've got an injury
that is going to be long lasting.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
You don't want to go and have surgery. Like I
tore my bicep. Tended. There's a hole right there.

Speaker 5 (54:46):
I know it looks swooll, but it's actually the bicep
rolled down in there, and they said you can reattach it.
I was like, how long is that gonna take? Like
four or five months? I was like, no chance. They're like,
do I need it? They're like, no, you just might
use it, lose a little bit of velocity early on
and all that stuff. And I was like, fine, not
gonna worry about it, because when you're I'm not playing.
Brady once said it, He's like, you never want to

(55:07):
see somebody else doing your job because if somebody else
steps in and plays, and this is the same general
conversation and they play and they do really well, they
might have your job.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Wally pip.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
I mean, that's the legendary Wally right. Yeah, lost his
job because he got hurt.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Will they say, no one loses their job to injury.
That's unless you drew bloodsone. That's true, so true, I
mean that's not I mean, it is.

Speaker 6 (55:28):
True that way.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
I you know, I think most most great players feel
like or even competitive players.

Speaker 6 (55:33):
Guys that are on the field feel like, if I'm seventy.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Percent, I'm going I'm better than the guy you know
behind me, and this is a distract the guy behind me.
You just feel, that's just minds that you have to have.
So yeah, I mean, and then if we have injury reports.

Speaker 6 (55:45):
Too, so it's not like you can really hide injuries
because you get caught hiding an injury.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
EI.

Speaker 6 (55:48):
There's draft picks, you know, there's all sorts.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
Of punishment, you know, yeah, things Now they actually throw
people on injury reports that don't even hurt.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Right, They'll check you to put everybody on it. Brady
was on it. Brady was on it for like ten
years straight with his shoulder. You have a shoulder issue.
We have only created a segment earlier, we didn't know.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
We call it the uh the text flex were he
was gonna text Coach Belichick rafter here and be like
congrats on the North Carolina job.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
And so I decided to flex a text.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
Dan Landing to text me today from Oregon, which I
was like, off flesh break, So flex a text. Who's
somebody you got a text from recently that we think
would be super cool?

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Nobody? Now come on, you got I don't.

Speaker 6 (56:27):
I don't hang out in those circles.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
I don't hang out with Landing out he's in an Oregon, Yeah,
just to say what up?

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Just to be like, yeah, that's uh, you need to
get out of your little bubble, you know what you know?

Speaker 4 (56:44):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (56:44):
Kid Rock's brother texted me the other day to say,
you know, he was watching.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Bob's brother Billy text me, honestly, I don't hang out
in those circles.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Well, how about how about we don't hang out with
the people either.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
It's just like it was cool that did send you
a text at all in the past A couple of weeks,
A couple of weeks, let's go month, year, year, career.

Speaker 6 (57:11):
No, so well last month or two, I guess Dan Smiers.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Okay, that's good.

Speaker 6 (57:16):
Yeah, just because that's you.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Guys will know that's that's not to say what's up just.

Speaker 6 (57:19):
Because they's my old neighbors.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Yeah, check it out.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
So that they were coming over, I haven't talked to you,
like six months of coming over about it.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
I'm like, okay, perfect, we appreciate you coming on.

Speaker 6 (57:34):
Oh my pleasure.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Yeah. This was actually brought Matt's tex. Matt was like, hey,
you want to do the podcast with me about right there? Yeah? Boy?

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Yeah, And then I get to meet Bobby BoA's on
the radio all the time.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
You know, we have mutual friends that love you. They're like,
Jared is the best. So they lie Ali, but they
weren't the time. They they're right on. So we really
appreciate you coming by. And I won't even say it again,
but I felt a little weird, and I don't want
this to be weird as you walk out. But as
you walk past the door, I was the youngest member
ever in the Radio Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
You'll see that up there.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
I don't want you to take that and like feel
that as you walk. It's right, it's a big picture,
says Hall of that's right, youngest person ever in it.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
But it's not. I don't want you to feel anything
about it.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
I won't see that's that should be the flex Like,
how do I how do I set down my guests
and make them have an accomplishment?

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Send me to pet for you, That's what I'm saying.
I was shooting for the oldest guy.

Speaker 4 (58:24):
Yeah, yeah, right, I will lobby those folks like they
have never been lobbying.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
And next up, fifteen times finalist, all right, walking in like, hey,
thank you.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
There's some of that.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
But I mean there are some of those guys that
switch over to the legend side. That's why I'm like,
I like the way the baseball. This last thing I'll
say about the last I like the way the baseball
does it because I think, to me, it's very transparent.
You're on there, they'll hake as many players, and you
get seventy percent of the vote.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
You should get in.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
You can have one hundred in the class, you can
have none in the class. Right, it's just there.

Speaker 6 (58:57):
It is.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
You need a percentage of the vote.

Speaker 6 (58:59):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
And that's riders. I mean, riders are pretty dumb now.
But I do like how I like the voter of
the NFL Hall of Fame better generally speaking than I
do the baseball. Yeah, because baseball you can just like
Barry Boscas doesn't mean to you once as a writer
and you're like, I'm never writing around Yeah, I mean
literally so, but I agree.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
I think that should be like that.

Speaker 6 (59:18):
There's still a lot of rioters for the NFL, but
it's not all.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
No, it's not all. I do wish there was, and
I know there's a couple like Hall of Fame. I
wish they kind of would would segment it like you know,
have like a you have a writer's vote, but you
have you should have a coaches and GM vote, right,
and then I think the people in the Hall should
have a say. It doesn't have it doesn't have to
weigh the same thing. But most of the time players
know who players are. Coaches and those guys know, like
you said, riders can get pissy over you know, they

(59:43):
take a to situation.

Speaker 6 (59:44):
I don't care how big of a prick t O
is or was whatever.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
I don't know. The guy.

Speaker 6 (59:49):
Dude was a monster on the fields. All that matters.
He should have been the whole thame years before he was.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
I appreciate you, buddy, thank you for coming.

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By God, And that's a rat for our third episode ever.

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