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January 22, 2025 70 mins

Baby, it's COLD outside and Matt talks about playing in the weather and how it affects the game.  What's a trick that Tom Brady taught Matt about playing in the cold?  When teams win too much, they often become unlikeable.  Bobby asks Matt about being part of the Patriots' success and living through Deflategate.  Super Bowl Champion London Fletcher talks about coming into the league undrafted and using his low ratings as motivation on the field.  As a member of the Commanders Ring of Fame, London explains why he thinks Jayden Daniels is a special QB.  We wrap up with Matt's NFL Combine experience and Bobby running the the 40-yard dash.

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Just say.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
We got lots. Just say yeah, we got lots, Just
say here's Bobby.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
That like negative thirty as we do this podcast. The
games this past weekend were like negative thirty the games
coming up because we got one of billion one in
Kansas City.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
It should be just talk about that for a second.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
Meaning all I can relate it to is either hunting
and it's still hunting, miserable, just sitting there up against
a tree awful, or like high school football but we
didn't play in December, or it's the same similar weather
but it would be cold, but like that looked miser.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
It is miserable. I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 6 (01:08):
And I've been in games where we had one in
Green Bay that was negative five at the start of
the game. We had one in Kansas City that was
negative five even any anything under fifteen degrees, And when
you have wind as a factor too, it is just
it cuts through.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
And you're warming up.

Speaker 6 (01:23):
And I still to this day, I give so much
credit to those guys that can go out there and
play without sleeves, because I was one of those guys.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
I was like, there's no chance I'm wearing sleeves. I've
got to bundle up. I've got to have the warmers
in there.

Speaker 6 (01:35):
They put the heat packs inside the warmers, so there's
little subtle things you can do, but there's just no
getting out of those elements. And then in addition to that,
it's anybody that handles the ball. The ball just changes dramatically.
It's slick, it's hardens up, so you just from a
grip standpoint.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
And also those runners.

Speaker 6 (01:52):
You saw multiple turnovers this weekend and it was just
a basic play one with lamar One with the running
back for the la Rams where they're just running with
the ball and they it's a simple hit that normally
they'll hold onto the ball.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
But because it's so slick, it just comes out.

Speaker 6 (02:08):
So ball security is paramount, paramount in all those type
of situations.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
Adrenaline doesn't make up for the cold. That's a question
at the end of the night, like at what point it.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Does to a certain degree.

Speaker 6 (02:22):
And look, I've had teammates they used to take a
shot of something before they would run out, just anything
to get that blood.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Boiling a little bit when you run around.

Speaker 6 (02:30):
One of the tricks of the trade that I learned
early on was from Tom Brady. And we might have
talked about this before, but we're in the locker room.
It's going to be a cold game. It's like seventeen
degrees outside, a little bit of wind, a little bit
of sleep, and I see him putting on like a
half wet suit, and I'm like, what are you doing
right now? I've never seen it before, and he said,
I wear a wet suit when the conditions are like
this because it insulates my body. And then he just

(02:50):
would wear a little half sleeve over the top of it.
But he was warm as can be. So I went
to the equipment manager and asked if I could, and
he's like, well, you're gonna have to pay for your own.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
I was like, I figured that.

Speaker 6 (02:59):
I figured I would, so I ordered one, and it
is an absolute game changer because you put that on
and it just the heat is insulated inside your body
and you don't feel the elements like you would if
you just wore a normal type of cloth or anything
that they have even for these cold weather games, and
I did that for the rest of my career in
any cold weather games.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
That's interesting.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
I did a couple Olympic trath lines, and there's part
of it where you swim the mile or so and
you're in a wet suit because it's freaking cold, right.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
And you don't feel cold.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
Your face feels cold because that's hit in the water, right,
but the rest is warm. But then I think, how
much can you actually move your arms, because mine, obviously
not meant for throwing, was super tight. Are there like
do you cut slits in certain parts of the armors
that just ad a different type of wetsuit.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
So you could cut a slit underneath it.

Speaker 6 (03:44):
But also it's all based on I guess it's by
the millimeter the thickness of it, and so you try
to get to a certain certain amount, like I don't
even know what it was ten as possible because then
you still had the range of motion, the flexibility because
some of those that we put on early on.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
When I tried it on, I.

Speaker 6 (04:01):
Was like, dude, I can't even move like you said,
you can't reach over your head. You're like, throwing motions
gonna be messed up and be throwing like Philip Rivers
out here side arm. But once you find the right one,
it worked out great. That's the move, that's the move.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
Thinking back, I wish I wore a wet suit when
I was an avid hunter because that.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Sucked ball an avid hunter?

Speaker 6 (04:23):
Did?

Speaker 5 (04:23):
I grew up in the woods in Arkansas, like my
whole life now I'm good.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Deer hunting, turkey hunting, everything.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
Yes, duck hunting, deer, honey, turkey hunting.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
I love this about you.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
I got a four ten at eleven years old.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Wow, And did they wipe the blood on your face
and do that whole ceremony?

Speaker 5 (04:39):
No, no ceremony. It was mostly like my stepdad because
I never knew my real dad. But my stepdad took me.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
Out at like eleven and we shot, and that was
just him going, I'm teaching a gun safety without saying
it's gun safety.

Speaker 5 (04:52):
And I remember going back.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
I went to school the next day and I had
some terrible bruise on my shoulder and left handed.

Speaker 5 (04:58):
It kicked so hard, and they thought that I was like.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Getting hit at home, right, And I was like, no,
I'm learning how to shoot a gun. But from that moment,
I never even had that people go with me, I
would just go hunting by myself with a four ten.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Much savage, I guess.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
I mean, how savage am I really no, but.

Speaker 6 (05:14):
That's pretty savage to go out on your own as
a kid and just go hunting in the woods.

Speaker 5 (05:18):
Like squirrel hunting, rabbit hunting.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Sure like that was the environment though, And you know,
from that to a twenty two, then a twenty gauge,
then a twelve gage and the thirty out six once
I got to be a bit older, so and I
knew how to use a rifle, right, Oh yeah, Like
that's a whole version of me.

Speaker 6 (05:36):
This is pretty like epic right now because this is
a whole layer of the onion that we're just unpeeling.

Speaker 5 (05:42):
That just gave me many you're unpeeling, I feel like,
I mean straight from Arkansas, people are like, you married
to your cousin, you hunted your whole life.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
I feel like that's what everybody thinks to a certain degree.

Speaker 6 (05:52):
But again, like with the way that you present yourself
is maybe not an avid hunter all the time.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
Oh yeah no, And but I don't anymore.

Speaker 6 (06:00):
I'm good, right, But I mean I'm definitely going hunting
with you because you're not.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
I don't work all we're going.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
My point was I don't want to be the best
is duck hunting because it awo and then we all
fight about who shot with the duck right, and we
had great duck dogs, Like, oh dude, we had I
think I could write a book. I just did a
podcast called God's Country Podcast. It's all about hunting. And
we call my stepdad in middle of the podcasts because
I knew he'd be in the woods.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
And they know me.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
And even then they were like, that's we talked bow hunting,
We talked all of that, and they're like, it's just.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
So weird to hear this version. Right, They don't really
turn it on.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
But if I would have had a wet suit, it
would have helped so much.

Speaker 6 (06:37):
Dude, were you one of those guys for like duck
hunting that has the rings and the bands that they collect.

Speaker 5 (06:43):
No, So I'm gonna tell you why I wasn't cool enough.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
This is my quick story of duck hunting before we
get back to football, because.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
People don't want to hear my lame hunting stories I do.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
The first three times that I went out, I was
I was a young kid. I didn't grow until like
eleventh grade, so I was very small, and I was
wearing adult waiters I think two or maybe all three.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
First I fell.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
Then every time and the water gets in your way
or you're done, I would just go back to the truck,
take all my clothes off, and be butt naked in
the heat while they all were in the blind.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
It was terrible. You're gonna h hypotheremia.

Speaker 6 (07:16):
I've had it happen one time where I hit a
log underneath, slipped underneath, and it's.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Gets so heavy you're so weighted down to walk.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
It's really heavy.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Yes, oh it's worse misery, But having a wet suit
to hunt in would have made it so much easier because,
like you say, having a wet suit to play football,
and also, like watching these guys, it looks when it
snows that looks fun and novel, like a heavy snow
game difficult for seeing.

Speaker 5 (07:47):
But when it's really cold and it's not snowing.

Speaker 6 (07:49):
Right, that looks worse because the field is just it
hardens over as well. But when it's snowing and it's
heavy snow, I actually loved playing that because why the
defensive lineman then the traction that they get. They couldn't
get off the balls quickly right because it was all about.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Staying on your feet.

Speaker 6 (08:05):
DB's couldn't react as quickly, so like your little slip screens,
and even when you're throwing these timing routes like curls
or incuts, the transition that they have to make. Think
about a defensive back pedaling ten yards. You're running and
as long as your wide receiver can keep their feet
and come, it actually opens up windows a lot more
than you think. So I used to love playing in snow,

(08:27):
but when it's just bitterly cold and there's no snow
on the ground, they still get off the ball. They're
still coming to hit you, and those hits feel a
little bit different when you're playing in that type of weather.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
Not to look to the past, but just last week
whenever it started to snow, because that was two games
otherwise cold and no snow. I're talking about the Rams
and the Eagles, and then it started snowing pretty heavily.
This second came down, and as the Rams were kind
of making their move back, it was one point of
the game when Stafford just like, we're just going no huddle,

(08:57):
right for the OC and that's when they really started
to move the ball. When they were going no huddle,
not giving the defense much time to adjust.

Speaker 6 (09:06):
You couldn't see, couldn't see, and they move the ball
every drive right, And they had a great game plan.
And if it wasn't for the turnovers, they had the
fumble and then they also Stafford got a strip sack
in the pocket and so the dynamics of that game
with those two turnovers, that was a changing point. But
like you said, they had to go no huddle at
that point, they're down two scores, but you saw they

(09:27):
picked up the pace. And what it does for a
lot of those defenses is it simplifies the defense for
the offense because they've got to get lined up right away.
They can't make all these adjustments and dial up all
these blitzer and so it simplifies it for the quarterback.
And if you can get on the ball and consistently
move the ball, it's just all about taking the profit
and moving. And they were able to go down in
less than a minute or just over a minute score
put themselves in a position to where now it's a

(09:48):
one score game.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
I didn't know you played for Buffalo at all and
I saw the picture you posted the Castle Bowl Kansas
City and Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
I was like, it's not really the Castle Bowl. Let's
be honest.

Speaker 6 (10:00):
They got two really good quarterbacks and they're probably really
happy with their situations.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
So, as you said, you didn't know I was a Hunter,
I didn't know you played for Buffalo.

Speaker 6 (10:08):
What was the tenure there? It was a cup of coffee.
I got traded from the Vikings to Buffalo. I was
under Rex Ryan. I was there for the first two
weeks a season. Tyrod Taylor actually started in front of me.
That was the game where the first game of the season,
for some reason, they wanted to do this trick play.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
They put me a quarterback.

Speaker 6 (10:28):
I took a shotgun snap handed it to the running back.
Tyrod Taylor came around on a reverse and that was
the extent of my playing time. But I did get
the start and we did win, So technically I deserve
the win on that, even though Tyrod Taylor did all
the heavy lifting in that game.

Speaker 5 (10:41):
Okay, well, then it all evens out because if Brady
gets the.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Win, right, That's what I said.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
So when you went in, you got the win for that,
I should.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Get the win and then we played the Patriots.

Speaker 6 (10:49):
The second week, I get a call, like, get into
the locker room.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
After a Monday practice.

Speaker 6 (10:54):
We got blown out by the Patriots and I get
a call and my agent had called me ten times,
so I waited to get in the car. I get
in the car. My wife's thirty four weeks pregnant, and
he says, are you sitting down? I'm like, yes, I'm
in the What's going on? He's like, You've been traded
to the Dallas Cowboys. So I was there for the
first two weeks a season. Romo gets hurt, I get
traded to the Dallas Cowboys. I'm on the first thing,
shipped out the next day to go to Dallas. And

(11:16):
that was the extent.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Of my Buffalo two weeks with the Bills two weeks.

Speaker 5 (11:20):
Do you keep a jersey with every team you play for,
generally if you're a player.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (11:26):
I felt a little guilty about keeping a jersey because
I wasn't there for even three games.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
But I would have loved to keep a jersey.

Speaker 6 (11:33):
I have jerseys, I think from every organization I played
for other than Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
So if they're listening, could I get a jersey?

Speaker 5 (11:41):
Can you request balls during cold weather games at any
point a change of ball, can they keep the balls warm?

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Like, what's the rule there? They tried to. They tried to.

Speaker 6 (11:51):
On the sideline, you'll see the ball boy and they'll
be covering it. And then the biggest thing for me
always was I tell the ref who's standing over the
ball to set the ball in place, if he could
cover that up, because when it's snowing and all that,
now you're dealing with a ball and conditions. If they
could kind of keep it dry to a certain extent,
especially when it's raining, raining's.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
The worst to play in.

Speaker 6 (12:11):
Every quarterback has nightmares about playing in rain just because
of ball security. Taking the snap, as simplistic as that sounds,
becomes in your mind. You're like, just don't fumble the snap.
It's the most basic playing football, but you're always like,
you're worried about it, and it's so I would always
talk to the ref about just holding over and a
lot of those guys were cool about it, but sometimes

(12:31):
they just leave it out there and let it roll,
and you got to deal with the conditions.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
There really are no advantages weather wise, because Buffalo is
at Kansas City. Both cold weather teams right, both outdoor
cold weather teams, and then in Philadelphia the Commanders are
going and again cold weather team or outdoor.

Speaker 6 (12:51):
We play outdoor all year. We've dealt with elements before.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
I guess the only advantage would be if that Philadelphia
Commander's game, and I don't think the forecast has it,
but if it was like a lot of snow and
you had to just ground and pound, I think Philly
would have the vantage there based on their running game, right, and.

Speaker 6 (13:08):
I think that's the biggest advantage for Philly in last
week's game was Sakuon Barkley, right, he had the forty
four yard run, He had what the seventy yard run
or maybe it was a six yard run and a
seventy yard run, and then Jalen Hurts had that first
touchdown that was a forty four yard scamper.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
That's what they're built to do.

Speaker 6 (13:25):
That offense runs through Saquon Barkley, and you're going to
have to stop the running game first and foremost, because
they haven't shown throughout the playoffs or even really throughout
season that they wanted to be a pass first offense.
They've got the weapons to do so, but at the
same time, they know their formula for success. They're going
to play stout defense, which they've got one of the

(13:46):
best in the league, if not the best in the league,
and they've got a tremendous offensive line. They've got a
dude in the backfield that they trust, so the advantage
would be there. Because I do like Brian Robinson for Washington,
I like Eckler. They have depth, but the dynamic of
their offense it starts with Jaden Daniel his ability to

(14:06):
throw the ball downfield, which he did an exceptional job
last week against Detroit. But then they counter that with
the run game, so it kind of works hand in hand.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
They do both.

Speaker 6 (14:15):
And the interesting part about Washington's offense is so much
of it is if you're going to match numbers on
the outside right, two over two, then.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
We're going to run the ball. We have a lighter box.

Speaker 6 (14:26):
If all of a sudden you have a number, it's
advantage on the outside. You're going three over two. Well,
now you're going to try, excuse me, three over two
outside you're going to run the ball. All of a sudden,
you leave the numbers matched up, and you don't want
to extend that linebacker out well, they're going to throw
that bubble, So it's always this option where they can
throw that slip screen, like they did to Terry McLaurin
early on he broke the long touchdown run. It's an

(14:49):
interesting way in which they attack. And then when you
got somebody that special that can do it with his
arm and his legs, they'll give him an opportunity.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
America loves a winner until the winner wins too much.
Then America hates the winner, and we saw this with
the Patriots. I love a dynasty. I love a great
player like I love a Lebron, I love a Jordan.
I love the Patriots when they're winning. I love the
Chiefs when they're winning.

Speaker 5 (15:12):
Because it's rare in our lifetime that we get to
actually experience greatness, unless it's like a rival team.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
Like I'm into it because there's seven or eight times
in your life where you really get to see somebody
or something dominate consistently because there are levers in place
that are pulled to not allow domination.

Speaker 5 (15:35):
A salary cap a you could.

Speaker 6 (15:37):
Go through all the different runs when you win the
Super Bowl, guess where you're picking thirty.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
Two another perfect example of a lever that isn't helping
the team stay the best. And the Chiefs in a
vacuum are not a disliked team in a vacuum. I
mean they didn't win the last two Super Bowls, they
didn't win the Super Bowl a couple years before that.
They are just a team playing for a Super Bowl
this year. They are not an unlikable team, but because

(16:04):
they've been winning so much much, they have now become
an unlikable team.

Speaker 5 (16:09):
The same with the Patriots. Right, people people hated the Patriots,
hate hated the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
For no other reason that they continued to win. And
with the Patriots over the two versions of its of
their two dynasties that ended up being one dynasty.

Speaker 5 (16:25):
You know, there was probably between Craft and the NFL
no love loss. We saw that in the documentary, and
there were things that shifted America's perception of the Patriots,
fair or unfair. I think the flake Gate was stupid.
I think the flay Gate was so stupid, But it
doesn't mean America doesn't think that the Patriots were taters. Well,

(16:47):
we also had spy Gate and that was the one
though probably is real though, but so the flay Gate
was a stupid one that I felt like was so
uncalled for.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
I could the.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
Suspension was domb All of it was dumb to flight Gate,
probably something.

Speaker 6 (17:00):
There you got, you got something there, you get kind
of got caught with your pants down.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
There's video level. I was there and that.

Speaker 6 (17:06):
The crazy part about that was two thousand and seven,
we're like the third game of the season. We had
absolutely We're going into the third game of season I
think against the San Diego Chargers at the time, and
all of a sudden this news breaks and I didn't
know anything about this, but they're coming off of three
Super Bowls, and then we had missed the Super Bowl

(17:27):
the last two seasons. We went to we won in
the divisional round last two seasons but.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Got knocked out.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
So you went there for the first three.

Speaker 6 (17:36):
I wasn't there for the first three, right, Okay, So
when I got there, we went and I think to
the divisional round and lost to Denver. Next year AFC Championship,
lost to the Colts. And then it was that next
year in two thousand and seven where all this stuff
about spy gay comes up and it was the biggest.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Story out there.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
Obviously a team that went and won three Super Bowls
in four years, dominated the league and has is a
perennial powerhouse. They've got off to a great start. The Jets,
you know, say what they did. Manginie, who came from
the Patriots, probably knew the inner workings of what was
going on, signed sealing everything, and everybody had their version.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Well, it would be a lot, really easy if.

Speaker 6 (18:13):
The quarterback was to tell me that a cross dogs
coming in the middle and our lineman can pick it
up right, Well, you don't have that much time at
the line of scrimmage. But from that point on, we
went undefeated that season, and then we went to the
Super Bowl and we lost to the Giants in that
Super Bowl. But it was incredible to see the resiliency
of that team because there's so many distractions going on.
Everybody's calling them cheaters, everybody's saying this wasn't legit, and

(18:36):
then to go on that run the way that they did,
and for Brady to play the way that he did
that season and sept the NFL record at the time
for TD passes, it just went to prove like, there's
more than what it looks like here. We weren't cheating,
they weren't cheating to a point where oh, well they
had all the answers.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
No, they just had really an incredible.

Speaker 6 (18:58):
Quarterback, the best of all time, They had the best
coach of all time, and they had a veteran leadership
across the board.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
Why do you think deflate gate then mattered so much?
Because it was so sensational, Like it involves such another dynasty,
good looking Tom Brady. Deflated balls are fun toy like
play it. That was such a crock even I felt
like it was a crock even then.

Speaker 6 (19:20):
Well, the funny part about it was they switched the
balls out at halftime. He threw for more yards after
they switched the balls out.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
So whatever it might be.

Speaker 6 (19:28):
But coming off of knowing what you know now about Spygate,
and then you go and you have this other huge
scandal about oh, either're deflating all the balls, you're not
playing by the rules again, it was just another reason
for people to say, oh, look see, I told you
they're cheating again.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
They're cheating again.

Speaker 6 (19:48):
So they already were a hated franchise because of the
winning aspect, and then you add on these different major
stories and elements. You could take it any which way
you wanted. To in the media.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
And my point with the Chiefs is again in a vacuum,
they're not hated, but because they have one a lot.
And then you throw in the factors of Taylor Swept
with Travis Kelcey.

Speaker 5 (20:10):
Yeah, people like I'm so tired of Travis Kelsey, who
surely wrote the games, and then it's I'm so tired
of them.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
On every commercial, Patrick Mahomes probably strategically falling a little
more than he needs to fall man even flopping at
times like the one was real bad last week on
the sideline right. The other ones he just slides like strategically,
like right, he's playing within the rules.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
The flop though, was a little over.

Speaker 6 (20:34):
The time flop, and they didn't call that one to
their credit, that's true, but still we saw it. But
the one that in the first quarter of that game,
it's third and eight, he overthrows the ball, he gets
hit and when you look at it, I could understand
in real time it looks like it's a helmet to helmet,
But at the same time, when you go back, it
was just a normal hit that you have to be

(20:55):
able to take and understand that's what you're going to
do as a quarterback and they called it in fifteen
yards penalty. It then equates the play points for the
Kansas City Chiefs, and those are major call in these
type of games because every series matters. When you go
down and if you get fifteen yards and you're able
to extend the drive and get off the field or

(21:15):
get off the field as a defense, it changes the
dynamics of the game completely.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
I saw a statistic based on people saying the Chiefs
get all the calls that the Chiefs had more penalties called.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
On them than the other way around.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
Interesting, but the difference is when the Chiefs get even
the smallest break, just to justifiably so or not, they
take advantage of it better than other teams. So when
they get that flag and they do it turn that
into a touchdown. That's what people remember because you let's
say you get a fifteen yard penalty one of these

(21:52):
you know, helmet to helmets, and then you end up
punting three plays later.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
Nobody really remembers.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Nobody remembers that. They're like, oh, that sucked. But at
the same.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
Score, and it's a big part of the game.

Speaker 6 (22:02):
It's a big part of the game. Puts points on
the board. And everybody's like, oh, they get all the calls,
but again that's part of the game. They they're trying
to protect every quarterback in that.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
In that way, it just is Patrick Mahomes has a
microscope on him.

Speaker 6 (22:15):
He's really good at the play like you said, where
he flops and he does it slows down and even
the one where the two defenders come over the top
and collide basically with each other. Well, he's doing all
that stuff and he became a runner. And so when
you become a runner and then late drop, you have
to take that into account in my opinion, But it's
hard for those referees who are saying protect the quarterback.

(22:35):
We saw it early on in the season when Jacksonville
quarterback Taylor Uh.

Speaker 5 (22:41):
Taylor Trevor Lawrence down.

Speaker 6 (22:43):
Trevor Lawrence went down and got absolutely Oh dude, I
was sitting there going.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
That was a tough one to swallow.

Speaker 6 (22:50):
So, I mean, and there was so much notoriety that
came along with that in the protecting the quarterback. So
I understand where the refs are coming from, especially with
a superstar like that.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
Also, those two flags, they both looked like what the
penalties were right, like it wasn't. Some agree just called
that was that the solo helmet to helmet. It looked
like he got hit in the helmet. Now did he
ge hit in the chest and also got his face mask? Yeah, yeap,
whenever you slow it down and look at it slow.
So the call was probably wrong ish, but it was

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so close that it's hard to go that rest of
cheat for Kansas City.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Well, that's the thing.

Speaker 6 (23:28):
We get the benefit of watching the replay fifteen times
and being to analyze it.

Speaker 5 (23:33):
Did he hit his chest from the angle.

Speaker 6 (23:35):
In all the angles they're sitting there out there in
real time, and if you were to replay it for
me and I'm standing behind Patrick Mahomes and watching it
in real time, it looks like a helmet to helmet.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
I get it.

Speaker 6 (23:44):
When he slides and he goes down, you see two
guys converging on him and just go wham. You see
the contact, you hear the contact, but you don't really
understand that those guys hit each other and he got
out of the way with just maybe a slight glancing blow.
But everybody that's watching on television and saying that's ridiculous,
you know, and I understand the point of view from
the ref and that's always the hardest thing for the

(24:08):
fans to understand. They're watching a real time and have
to make a split decision, and.

Speaker 5 (24:11):
Some of those calls you can't go look in your
little screen.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, they're unreviewable.

Speaker 5 (24:17):
Does Mahomes beat Allen and like was like the eleventh
version of this, Does he do it again?

Speaker 6 (24:25):
I think that they've said that they've played eight times,
four times in the playoffs, and you know, everything goes
through Kansas City. Patrick Mahomes has established himself as one
of the greats of our game just because of his
winning record when he gets the playoffs. I think since
he's taken over his starting quarterback, they've been to the
AFC Championship Game every single year. Every time, every single

(24:46):
year they've won three Super Bowls. And so for Josh
Allen or guys like Lamar Jackson, this is the type
of game where you have to go and knock the
king off of this throne, I mean, and that's the
only way that you prove yourself in this league because
at the end of the day, for any quarterback, you're
judge on your wins and losses, and particularly in the playoffs,

(25:07):
because Josh Allen could be a remarkable player, Lamar Jackson
could be a remarkable player. But until you go get
that Super Bowl, people aren't going to remember you in
history other than being a great player. But you go
out into Kansas City, which you've proven you can win
there in the regular season, but now you have to
do it in the biggest game of the year to
kind of set up your legacy, so to speak. So

(25:28):
if you can go do that, you're playing the best
football you've ever played in your career. If you're Josh Allen,
You've got a team that can go in there and compete,
and now you just have to go do it and
put yourself in a position to go compete for a
Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
I feel like the boogeyman for Lamar was last week
at least three and five in the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (25:45):
It's just winning the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
But the real boogeyman for Josh Allen is this week
because it's Patrick Mahomes. Right, Lamar has trouble winning playoff games,
Josh Allen has trouble beating Patrick Mahomes in the postseeed,
that's the post season, So he's now facing his boogeyman
this week.

Speaker 6 (26:01):
Right, because you've got this incredible matchup, just like last
week was between Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen, and now
you go and you get two of the best quarterbacks
in the game once again.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
And again it goes back to slaying the dragon.

Speaker 6 (26:14):
For Josh Allen, he's got to go in and he's
had trouble, and this team has had trouble.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
It's got to be in the back of their mind. Now,
these teams are all different.

Speaker 6 (26:21):
I think they've only got thirteen players that return from
when they first played in the playoffs against Patrick Mahomes.
But at the same time, they know that this is
the biggest game. It's going to be in Kansas City,
those Kansasity Chiefs fans are it's going to be hostile environment,
They're going to be loud, it's going to be hype,
and so the pressure's on Buffalo. Kansas City knows that
they've been there, they've done that. They have confidence. They've

(26:43):
played in so many close games this year that they
just have figured out ways to win. And that's I
don't think that they're at the caliber of team that
they've been in the past coming into these situations. Just
if you look at them from an offensive standpoint, the
explosiveness that they've shown in the past versus this year. However,
they still figure out ways to win. And that's the
mark of a good team. And you've got a guy

(27:04):
Patrick Mahomes with a you read that has proven that,
and their track records proven that time in and timeout.

Speaker 5 (27:09):
NFC commanders are playing with house money at this point.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Right. I love it, man, I love it. Did you
ever envision them? No?

Speaker 5 (27:16):
No, No, For two reasons. One, it's a rookie quarterback.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
So until last year, we really hadn't seen a rookie
do what Stroud did last year. But Jada Daniels has
now supplanted him as the best rookie quarterback season of
all time.

Speaker 5 (27:30):
Right, And so no.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
And also their colors are slow, and their logo sucks
and so no, I can't see and a lot of
their logo sucks. Good never won with it, and so
I just think of that is just a losing logo.

Speaker 6 (27:44):
They haven't been to the championship game, in the NFC
championship game since nineteen ninety one.

Speaker 5 (27:49):
Was that like Mark Grippen years, it h it had
to be, it had.

Speaker 7 (27:51):
To be the Hogs.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
And yeah, I mean, so the pressures on the Eagles then,
because the Commanders are playing with house money.

Speaker 6 (27:58):
Right, think about this new ownership, new coach and Dan Quinn,
rookie quarterback Jade Daniels phenomenal. They won four games last year,
they come in, they go twelve and five, they get
in the playoffs. Everybody's like, well, they got to go
to Tampa. You know they're the seventh seed. All these
things go down. Beat Tampa. Now you're going up against

(28:18):
a juggernaut fifteen and two Detroit Lions at home stadium state.
Everybody's hype. I mean, nobody can stop this machine that
they have in Detroit. And they go out and somehow
some way create what four turnovers, four or five turnovers
in that game. They capitalize on everyone. They had three
fourth down conversions in the red zone to extend drives

(28:42):
and get touchdowns. Jayden Daniels plays out of his mind,
and I'd say the defense had a bin but don't
break mentality. They gave up over five hundred yards of offense,
but they capitalized when they needed to and create turnovers.
That really the first turnover, the strip sack was huge.
They're on the twenty yard line. First and ten. At
the end of the half, Jared Goff steps back another

(29:04):
first and ten on the thirty yard line. Go Get
points to kind of build that momentum before you go
in a halftime, throws an interception there, throws the pick
six in the second court. I mean, so there was
all these different elements and it was a complete team win.
But Jaden Daniels the way that he played, I mean,
the dude is unfazed, the poise, the confidence. He doesn't
look like a rookie, and that is unbelievable for a

(29:26):
guy to step into on those different stages and just
look unphased by the moment.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
Yeah, my question about how composed he is, because he
looks wildly composed, even for not a rookie in those situations, right,
because it looks like he's dialed and he's focused and
it's not affecting him in a way of like, I
just imagine his.

Speaker 5 (29:46):
Heart is just chilling.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
Heart rate gets up. You're you're reacting more than you're
thinking and responding.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
And you're you're rushing through your reeds and your throats.

Speaker 6 (29:55):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
I can feel his heartbeat by watching him, and he
goes like this, it was nothing to him, and.

Speaker 6 (30:00):
That's what I'm saying, like they had to convert. I
think he threw two touchdown passes on four down. Those
are big time moments for any quarterback. You're in there,
you're like you could be in the moment and when
you're locked in the zone that's one thing, but for
any quarterback, you feel those moments. And plus in that
type of environment when the stadium everybody's screaming, they know
the significance of what's going on, and that you're just like,

(30:23):
no big deal, another walking a part, boom, Hey, suck
on that. I mean, it's pretty pretty remarkable.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
And for him to have the ability because there were
a couple of short fourth down plays where he just
ran it around the edge, right because it was nothing
that they couldn't stop it. You know, when that was
it looked to be an option, meaning he had like
three options and it was so easy a rounded because
he's quick, he's fast, but he's quick, he's quick, and

(30:51):
there's a difference, right. Yeah, it was pretty amazing to
see who's the player you think of that you played with,
that had poise to where you're going.

Speaker 5 (30:59):
Is that person even a human?

Speaker 6 (31:02):
I mean, the easy answer Obviously, the first guy I
ever played with and was in the room with for
four years was Tom Brady. I mean, when the situation
called for it, and he was at his best in
those two minute drills, and we repped those two minute
situations all the time. But it was just methodical for him.
He knew how he wanted to call it, where he

(31:23):
wanted to go with the ball. And the thing that's hard,
I think for a lot of quarterbacks is that risk reward.
A lot of times we want to push the ball
down the field, get as much as we can right now.
But he was so steady and consistent. And I remember
one time my rookie year, we're in Pittsburgh on the road,
two minute drill to go set up a game winning

(31:44):
field goal. All we needed was a field goal, I think,
and he just took checkdown after checkdown after checkdown because
they're playing zone coverage or trying to get that guard
against the big ball, and just his diligence in that
situation and his composure to see the field and not
get greedy and just continue to take the profit.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
And he understanding like, hey, we've got to get up
on the ball.

Speaker 6 (32:05):
I'll clock it, get everybody set up, go take the
check down, Take the checkdown. But these are five ten
yard chunks and all he was doing was moving us
down the field. Now, there were plenty of times where
he saw, all of a sudden, they're bringing pressure, he's
going to take the shot down the field and do that.
But he was so good and so composed in those
situations that he was unfazed by the moment, and it

(32:27):
was almost like he thrived in those moments. And those
are the exciting players to be around. Even Stafford was
another guy that I played with in Detroit. It was
amazing because we're behind a lot late in the game,
and that's the toughest thing is when you don't when
you just need a field goal, that's easy, like for us,
we gotta get you to the thirty yard line or
whatever the guy's ranges, and the coach will come in

(32:48):
here and be like, hey, we gotta get to the
thirty five yard line to kick a field goal. When
you're down by a touchdown, all of a sudden, it
ratchets up a lot because you just don't have the time.
But when you're down two scores and the defense knows
you've got to throw and they're coming off the edge.
How do you respond in those moments because your sense
of urgency goes up, and then if you can go
down and put that one score on the game, I

(33:10):
mean one score, make it a one score game, and
then your defense got to do its job and get
the ball back. Those are when you're really tested as
a quarterback, when you're down and you've got to come
back from multiple scores late in the game.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
And London Fletcher coming up back in a second. About
to talk with London Fletcher. He is now an analyst

(33:42):
for the Washington Commander's Radio team. Joined the broadcast team
in twenty twenty two. I wanted to play a few
clips from the game last Saturday night Commander's Radio Network
with Bram Weinstein London Fletcher. They're on the call. This
is second quarter. The Commander's at a pick six from
Kwan Martin.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Here you go, crush it up.

Speaker 8 (33:58):
The little golf has ten and feelers.

Speaker 5 (34:05):
Jaredy Fine pick six, touchdown, touchdown, Loucking god quad and.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
In Actuick broke least to the clam Martin tip down
eight pound. Benny Tortois has swarmed into the end zone
of the deck Troy Lon.

Speaker 5 (34:23):
WHOA, that's fun.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
That's awesome.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
I love home team broadcast now because they just get
to do what they want to do as the home team.

Speaker 5 (34:34):
That's super cool. Here's the game ceiling, picked by Jeremy
chen for the Commanders.

Speaker 8 (34:38):
Snap the golf steps off, good pocket to a middle
bit pick off.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Jeremy Chitz counting.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Celebrate like it's nineteen ninety one.

Speaker 5 (34:49):
We're going to the NFIT Championship game.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
This is the Motown, the home of Motown to tonight
they'll be playing at Boom.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
All right.

Speaker 5 (35:00):
Here he is, London Fletcher.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
I'm sitting here listening to a biography of a quarterback
who played you for like ten minutes Castles, Like dude
was everywhere, like every he was talking about everywhere you played,
Like so I just kind of want to pass it
over to Matt to start, but just know if your
ears were burning or your nose was itching, like my
grandma used to say, Like I was here in ten
minutes of how dynamic of a defensive player you were

(35:27):
against this guy over.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Here, Aylen, I'm your biggest fan, London.

Speaker 6 (35:31):
I mean I was sitting there, I was like he
was one of the toughest middle linebackers to go up
to against because he was sidelined the sideline. He was instinctive,
he knew route combinations and would jump stuff. But he's
also had the speed to get down the middle in
that Tampa two defense that you guys would always play.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
So I am an absolute huge.

Speaker 6 (35:49):
Fan and I was actually looking at some of your
stuff and did you really run a four to three
eight when you're coming out of college?

Speaker 8 (35:57):
I did, And I've been investing with with frids move.
He's he does some shows with me here in Washington,
and I tease him that I was fastiday him in
the forty and it kills him.

Speaker 7 (36:09):
He told me it was that John Carroll. It was
only thirty eight yards.

Speaker 9 (36:12):
But why do you think you weren't drafted at four
three eight with your size because it was It wasn't
like you were one hundred and twenty pounds like you
had size on.

Speaker 5 (36:26):
Why were you drafted?

Speaker 2 (36:28):
You think?

Speaker 8 (36:28):
Well, because of the Division II school, you know, being
playing at the Division three, being undersized at the linebacker position.

Speaker 7 (36:34):
So I'm five ten coming out of college. I was.

Speaker 8 (36:37):
I played my senior year maybe two thirty two thirty
five and the competition, so you know, people are looking
for reasons to kind of knock you if you're undersized
and you played the Division three regardless of of the speed.
Because I thought, based on my productivity and how fast
I ran, man, I thought I was getting drafted in.

Speaker 7 (36:58):
The third round.

Speaker 8 (36:59):
I was like, Okay, they're gonna draft me in the
first round, but third route seems logical.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Was that something? Use it as motivation when you went
into your career.

Speaker 6 (37:07):
Obviously you're trying to make the team early on, but
once you do that and establish that was that year
and year out something that you always had a chip
on your shoulder, motivation that you use in the back
of your mind to just excel and continue to push
week I mean week in, week out, year and year out.

Speaker 8 (37:21):
It was for I would say, probably, let's call it
maybe my first five, four, five or six years in
the league, I would always try to look for something
to give give me an aed, some some reason, and
then I held on to that for a long time
to doubt. I can remember my first year starting in
Saint Louis. It was my second year in the league,

(37:41):
and ESPN the magazine had a preseason kind of roster
preview where they would rate all the starters offense, defense,
and then special teams guys one through five, five being
the highest, one being the lowest. And I'm looking at
this this magazine. I was all excited, Hey, I'm a
starter and I want to see what they say about me.

Speaker 7 (38:00):
And they had they rated me a one.

Speaker 8 (38:02):
It's like, if if loved the Fletcher's starting on this
team by Halloween, we'll buy you a car.

Speaker 7 (38:08):
And so I'm pissed. I mean, and I put.

Speaker 8 (38:10):
This this magazine on my coffee table the entire season.
So I ended up starting all the games for Washington.
Our defense plays extremely well. So they did a postseason
edition of the same magazine. Now they're previewing all the
postseason teams, and we make the playoffs, and then they
rated me like a four, and it's like, hey, if
London Fletcher is not the leading tackler in the postseason

(38:33):
for this team, will buy you a car. And I
told later on that we end up winning Super Bowl.
So I had my media date. I was like, man, ESPN,
y'all owe me a car, and I wanted to be
a rams blue Mercedes Benz. So I definitely use those
things as motivation.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
One of my good friends is DeMarcus Ware, and you
know he did not play the Power five now Power
four school.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
He played at Troy, but he grew.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
A lot in college, like substantial growth Scottie Pippen esque
where he grew like six inches when he was at
Central Arkansas playing basketball, and demarcts. Yeah, DeMarcus was like, I.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
Grew so much and I was already working really hard
that things just kind of fell in. Where for you
did it click physically coming out of high school? Were
you undersized or where in college did physically it start
to make sense for you?

Speaker 8 (39:22):
I would say I was from I probably stopped growing
my senior year, so I went to college at five
ten and never grew. I will say just the I
was raw from a football standpoint. Once I got to college.
I only played one year high school football. I was
a basketball guy up until my senior year, only played
the one year high school football. Didn't play football initially

(39:45):
again until what was my third year in college, and
so as I got more reps and got more experience,
that's when it kind of took off for me. Initially,
I'm just surviving off my raw athleticism and talent.

Speaker 7 (39:57):
But once I was able to learn.

Speaker 8 (39:59):
Defensive scheme, offensive schemes, and understand kind of the game
a lot better that that's when it really took off
of me.

Speaker 7 (40:08):
As I got to the pros, got great coaching.

Speaker 8 (40:11):
And my knowledge of the game, it elevated even more.
And it was a I would say, probably my fifth
sixth year in the league where where your athleticism and
your knowledge of the game intertwined. And that's where where
it just really took off of me and I was
playing playing my best football during the middle of my year,
my years in the NFL.

Speaker 6 (40:31):
We in you are the epitome of an iron man.
I mean, sixteen seasons, two hundred and fifteen consecutive starts.

Speaker 5 (40:38):
Fifty six fifty six.

Speaker 6 (40:40):
Yet that extra forty you got to give you the
extra forty one hundred percent?

Speaker 2 (40:45):
What do you credit that too?

Speaker 6 (40:47):
Because in today's game, with guys like Derrick Henry Lebron James,
you know they spend a million dollars a year on
their body. How did you stay healthy, stay on the field.
Did you always play through injuries? Like?

Speaker 2 (40:58):
What were some of the things that you did to
stay on the field.

Speaker 8 (41:01):
I'll tell you that onen't they I wasn't spending anywhere
near close to a million dollars. Old man, I say
this the way I was made. You know, God kind
of built me in a in a compact, you know,
with help with the game of football I did. I
never really had those catastrophic injuries where guys can do

(41:23):
everything the right way and you'll have a guy blowing
knee out.

Speaker 7 (41:26):
We just had Sam cosed me.

Speaker 8 (41:28):
You know, a great player here and he's doing everything
the right way and gets his knee rolled up, blew
out his a c L. I never had those type
of situations, but I did do a lot of the
maintenance stuff, whether it was the massages, the cold tub,
hot tub, the dry needling, the art rest. Rest was
big in my in my repertoire, getting my rest and

(41:50):
just really listening to to my body. If I felt
a little something a little blew out of whack, maybe
dial in the back end practice, going to give him
my chiropractice or my my person who worked on my
soft tissue, or the trainers. So it was a lot
of a lot of those types of things idea. But
I was getting as many pre things as possible through
the team.

Speaker 10 (42:09):
I wasn't spend of that million dollars.

Speaker 5 (42:27):
This is a wide open question. Jade daniels Go makes
it special.

Speaker 8 (42:32):
I think, first and foremost his work ethic, and we all,
you know, know people who work hard, especially at the quarterback.
I think you know most quarterbacks they have you in
order to say you have to work extremely hard.

Speaker 7 (42:47):
But it seems like he's for a young guy. He
came in here.

Speaker 8 (42:51):
Already with a tremendous work ethic, and he knew he
had a routine already mapped out where he's getting in
here at six am, getting on the virtual of the
VR stuff and getting all those extra reps. The work
ethic and the humility that he carries himself with. He
doesn't get too high, doesn't read his press clippers. He

(43:11):
didn't come in here feeling entitled, thinking that Hey, I'm
the number two overall draft pick for m a Heisman
Trophy winner. This franchise has been wanting a franchise quarterback
for forever.

Speaker 7 (43:23):
I'm going to be that guy.

Speaker 8 (43:24):
No, I'm gonna come in here, earn it, earn it
respect to my teammates, with my work ethic, and continue
to operate in great humility. And you know, just let
my natural guy bi ability take over, and you know,
you couple all those things with the gifts that he has,
and that's what makes him so special.

Speaker 6 (43:42):
When you think about the Washington Commanders just even a
few years ago and the bad rap that they got
with ownership and just the team itself not having a
tremendous amount of success, and then this year it's new ownership,
new head coach with dan Quinn Jaden Daniels. Did you
ever envision them being at this position that they are
right now competing for an NFC championship when you started

(44:03):
this year.

Speaker 8 (44:04):
I be lying if I tell you I thought that
I would say this when when the new ownership group
came in and they've they've done a lot of They've
provided a lot of resources for the not just the
football team, but the organization to have success on and
off the field, hiring Ada Peters as a general manager.
Then you go out and you hire dan Quinn and

(44:25):
this the staff that they brought together. Being intentional with
the players that they put together, I felt like this
team would be extremely competitive. There's something that our fans
will be proud of to where whether win or lose,
they will be proud of the product.

Speaker 7 (44:39):
That was on the field.

Speaker 8 (44:41):
But for us to have this season that we've had
and win twelve regular season games, going to into Tama Bay,
win a playoff game, then going to Detroit knock off
the number one seed, and and got this game coming
up against the Philadelphia Egles for the NFC championship. Man,
that's that's beyond my wildest dream and probably a lot

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of a lot of people around here wildest dreams as well.

Speaker 4 (45:04):
I think about it Austin Eckler a lot now because
he gets the most carries, but because when you have
a rookie quarterback, leadership, veteran leadership is really important, coming
from a lot of different places. Getting guys like an Eckler,
how important are they whenever your quarterback is so young.

Speaker 7 (45:19):
It's extremely important.

Speaker 8 (45:20):
And you mentioned Austin Eckler, I think getting the veteran
center and Tyler biattish is was key to match. You
play a quarterback and it's a lot so much on
your play, but if you can have a veteran, especially
at that center position, who can help calm things down,
get the protections right, be a calming presence for you.
Tyler Bennett has been a really underrated signing. Having you

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mentioned Austin Eckler, bringing in a zach Ertz guy who
played in Cliff Kingsbury offense, who's who's kind of an
extension of Cliff on the field where he can help
Jayden and different things. And having even even not just
bringing in the veteran guys, but having a guy like
Terry McLaurin, who's so such a great leader and one
of the guys that a lot of people that his

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teammates respect so much. So having those the right veteran
guys on the team. They were intentional about adding the
guys that they did to this football team, especially the
free agents that they brought in.

Speaker 6 (46:17):
Now, this is this game coming up. We got the
Philadelphia Eagles. Do you hate the Philadelphia Eagles as much
as any Washington You know you've got the rivalry, right,
the history is there. But oh yeah, do you hate
them or is it just like the media, the fans
everything else.

Speaker 7 (46:34):
Hate is a strong word, but.

Speaker 8 (46:38):
Professional hatred, I would say, I mean it's a it's
extremely strong. Dislike the in this NFC East, the rival
with the with the Cowboys and and us that's probably
the most storied because you know that it's a lot
of the you know, great teams. They've won Super Bowls,
We won super Bowl especially in the in the eighties

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and nineties when we were both ride high. The Giants
as a rivalry, but the Philadelphia they're that rivalry hits
a little different because you going there, you feel like
you're in the in the in the in the in
the enemy's territory. You can feel as soon as you
come out of that stadium, come out of that tunnel.
Their fans, let you know how they feel. The ride

(47:19):
into the stadium on the bus, they're gonna throw some
some things at your bus, some eggs and some other things,
and they're gonna one finger salute you. And uh, it's
gonna be it's gonna be an electric environment. And I
can't wait to be a part of it. Just you know,
I get to call a game. But man, I can't
imagine what those players are gonna be feeling because this
is a heated, heated rivalry, especially this season where you know,

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we beat them once, they beat us once, and this
is the rubber match, and this is to represent the
conference in the super Bowl.

Speaker 7 (47:48):
It doesn't get any bigger than this.

Speaker 5 (47:49):
What's the buzz like in the DMV right now.

Speaker 7 (47:52):
It's palpable, like you can feel it.

Speaker 8 (47:55):
We're out in Ashburn, which is don't know, thirty miles
west I guess of the city, and you can feel
it all the way out here, just the energy all
you're all over the place.

Speaker 7 (48:06):
I mean, I like the fans.

Speaker 8 (48:08):
You see so many people wearing their Commander's gear, talking
about the game, anticipating the game. Our fans have been
great in traveling a I would say twenty five percent
of the stadium in Tampa where our fans probably fifteen
to twenty percent. Was the same in Detroit, and it's
a lot of people going to be going up to
Philadelphia to support us. But it is I mean, it's

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unlike any that I've experienced since I've been here in
Washington for.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
A team like the Commanders.

Speaker 6 (48:35):
Bobby and I were talking about this a little bit too,
that it's kind of like they're playing with house money.
Do you think, as from a player's perspective, that kind
of takes a little bit of the pressure off. You know,
you're the underdog, nobody expects you, but we just have
to go out and have something to prove.

Speaker 8 (48:50):
Well, here's the thing they don't view themselves as underdogs,
and nack Quinn touched on it. I felt like that
even going into the Detroit game, where they don't go
into a game feeling like, hey, we're the underdog's house money,
we got nothing to lose. They going to these games
expecting to win. And that's a different type of approach.
That's a different type of preparation where like, no, we

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we belong here. We're a damn good football team. You
know this whole, you know, Vegas and whatever. They have
to put out their points spreads and all that, but
those points prayers, they won't they won't help you between
those white lines.

Speaker 7 (49:24):
They won't take one snap.

Speaker 8 (49:25):
And these guys going there with a great deal of
confidence and their confident because of their preparation, their confidence
and confident because of how they prepare, their battle tested.
They've had five or six games that have all come
down to the final play. They're confident because of the
way dan Quinn prepares these guys week in and week out,
So they don't they don't feel like they're playing with

(49:46):
house money. They feel like they're they're excellent football team
and they deserve to be here playing for this moment, I.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
Was deep dive in London, Fletcher, because I know mid dive,
I know shallow dive, but I was deep dive in
London Fletcher.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
And you have three touchdowns? You keep any of those balls?

Speaker 7 (50:00):
I did?

Speaker 8 (50:01):
Yeah, they're they're at the house you get You definitely
got to keep your touchdown ball.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
Can you remember it again or did somebody go get
them for you afterwards?

Speaker 6 (50:13):
Like?

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Do you lock it?

Speaker 5 (50:13):
As soon as you score a touchdown, you hold on
to that thing.

Speaker 8 (50:16):
Oh, defensive players, we're gonna always hold on to them.
No offensive guys they can, they can forget to hold
on to the football. I've seen guys score their first
ever touchdown and throw the football and they wonder if
their teammates has to go retreat that football.

Speaker 7 (50:30):
You don't have to worry about that. With a defensive
players scored a touchdown.

Speaker 8 (50:33):
We will take that thing to the sideline with us,
and we might even take it to the locker room
with it.

Speaker 7 (50:38):
We will hold on to that football.

Speaker 6 (50:40):
Let it what's your keys to success against Philly? Philly
obviously they can run the football. It all runs through
Saquon Barkley. They've got a dominant defense. But what's the
keys both offensively and defensively for Washington in this game
if they're going to go out there and pick up
a win.

Speaker 8 (50:54):
Yeah, I think you know, going into this ball game,
from offenses standpoint, you gonna have to block jen Jalen Carter,
figure out a way to get him, you know, blocked
up and not let him disrupt the game because he's
a He's a major difference maker for them being effective
against the coverage that that Vic van Giel is gonna
throw at you. He's gonna make it tough against the quarterbacks,

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and they don't have to, you know, bring eight men
in the box to stop your run. Then they gonna
sit back in that that quarters covered that two shell
look and and be able to play coverage. But gotta
be able to black Jalen Carter both in the run
and against the run. In the pass game. Get that
run game going and then let Jaalen be special. From
a defense standpoint, stopping Sa Kwan and you're not gonna

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stop him, but slowing him down really limited the explosive plays.

Speaker 7 (51:41):
That he's gonna have.

Speaker 8 (51:42):
Being a gap sound, getting out of your getting off
the blocks, playing on the other side of the lot
of scrimmage and and when they decide to throw the football.
I don't know what type of condition to shape Jalen
Hurts is.

Speaker 7 (51:54):
Gonna be in.

Speaker 8 (51:55):
I know he has got a little banged up injury.
But you're gonna have to be sticky in coverage. And
they got two great wide receivers and you know we're gonna.

Speaker 7 (52:02):
Have to have to limit those guys as well.

Speaker 8 (52:04):
We can come out of here with the two or
three turnovers and you know, do those things. I think
we we come out of there victorious.

Speaker 5 (52:11):
One final question for you.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
Are some stadiums a little nicer when it comes to
warmth when you're calling the game and and what's Philly like?

Speaker 5 (52:19):
Is this gonna be cold? Are you going to be cold?

Speaker 8 (52:22):
Some stadiums are definitely nicer when it comes to the Uh,
the setup they have for you depends on, like I guess,
the how it's set up, so to speak. I called
we called a game in Philly obviously this year, but
that was mid October November. I can't remember. It's been
so long, and the weather wasn't terrible. I remember doing
a night game there, uh two years ago. It was

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a little cooler, so I might I may instead of
taking my jacket off, I'll have my jacket on and
maybe a beanie. But some some stadiums, definitely, the friendly
confines are a lot a lot nicer and and uh
the setup is a lot better. But Philly Philly is.
It's a decent view. But I can imagine it being
a little bit cool cooler that day.

Speaker 5 (53:05):
It's hard to talk to you teeth chattering, and I've
been there. That is tough.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
Definitely, Hey, we appreciate you coming on with us. We
were listening to some of the calls from last week. Man,
I love home team broadcast because you get to be
the home team. And I'm sure they don't put any
restrictions on you on not being like like you got
to keep it, keep it down the middle, like you
get to go you right.

Speaker 8 (53:25):
Oh no, they they they love to just be you.
That's that's what they tell me.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Just be me.

Speaker 8 (53:31):
And I love that that I can showcase my personality.
And you mentioned with it being a home broadcast, you
can show your your bias.

Speaker 7 (53:37):
I'm gonna be fair, I'm gonna call it, call it
like I see it.

Speaker 8 (53:40):
But when great plays happened, which there have been a
lot of great plays in this season. We're gonna be
excited and I'm gonna, you know, express that and let
the fans know exactly what I'm seeing and how I
feel about those those plays that take place.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
We really appreciate you. Thank you so much for for
the time. And what are the commands they say? What
do the commanders say? What's like their thing? Go com
people say?

Speaker 2 (54:03):
I like that? What is it?

Speaker 7 (54:04):
Anybody anytime anywhere?

Speaker 4 (54:06):
I'm not like cool enough to say that or strong
enough or like, yeah, but you guys both could pull
that off.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
I don't. I don't know if I could. I mean,
you used to hunting the woods by yourself?

Speaker 7 (54:16):
Wear any time? Yeah, yeah, I can't remember. Right now,
I'm coming.

Speaker 8 (54:19):
Half sleep, yeah, defervation, all right, get his body anywhere anytime.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
I guess I'm sleep line body anywhere anytime.

Speaker 5 (54:27):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
We're rooting for you, guys, and hopefully you'll be in
New Orleans in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 7 (54:32):
All right, begs, all right, let me see it.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
To think that he runs a sub four forty ran
a sub four forty four, it's wild.

Speaker 6 (54:55):
I mean, because if you're a legit wide receiver, Yeah,
a four four is legit.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (55:00):
Even guys that run a four or five, they're like,
oh he's got size, that's fast. Yeah, but a four
to three eight. And then listen to him say, I
started playing football.

Speaker 5 (55:10):
His senior senior year.

Speaker 6 (55:13):
Wild wild, because there's so much that goes into As
he was explaining, learning the game, understanding your role on
the defensive side of the ball. What what a four
to three defense is a three to four. You can
get a general understanding in high school, but then all
of a sudden you step up a level and go
to Division three, and then you're right into the pros.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
It's a crazy story.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
And they say the best ability is availability and durability.
And to play that many games in a row at
such a high impact position, any position that many games
in a row, but to play linebacker right that many.
I don't think he ever missed a game. I know
he had that streak of starts, I don't think he
ever missed a game in his career. Pretty wild. I

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think about running the forty and I pulled the tape
of mind. Yes, but I did mind a couple of
years ago when you ran the forty, did you combine?

Speaker 2 (56:07):
No?

Speaker 6 (56:07):
I just went to I never I never started. So
I went to the I went to our pro day
and I'll go in the first day it's the bunny.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
I walk in the guys.

Speaker 6 (56:16):
I was like, yeah, I'm Matt Castlem, a senior, and
he goes, yeah, I don't have you on my list.
I was like, well, I'm trying out, all right, I'm
trying out. They said it was an open tryout for
the players. So he's like, well, they already started the
Wonderlick test, so you can get in there. There's about
fifteen minutes left. I don't know how long they've been
taking it for. So I scrambled in there, did this,
and so I go through and uh. And we got

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to the forty and so I was I trained my
butt off for this, right and.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
I was like, oh man, I'm gonna run fast. Get
out there.

Speaker 6 (56:43):
And I mean there are a ton of scouts there
because we were loaded at the time with different prospects
and everything. So get out there in the line with
adrenaline's going. I put on my buddy's track shoes, thinking,
oh yeah, cut off a few seconds. I think I
ran like a four eight eight. I was so disappointed.
I was just like, ah, maybe a four night. I
have no idea, but it was not my best perform

(57:05):
and so I must have got up, you know, popped
up too early. They talked about the mechanics. I worked
with like a track a track coach that was like, okay,
you gonna stay out. Did for the first five yards
and slowly I was like, maybe I'm just not that fast.

Speaker 5 (57:17):
Were you human timed or were you some mechanically timed.

Speaker 6 (57:20):
Yeah, I'm gonna go with human because if I was
mechanically it definitely would have dropped from there.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
But I crushed my agility drill three. Come, I did
do that.

Speaker 5 (57:29):
I've heard the legend of your agility drill.

Speaker 6 (57:31):
That's really what what got me. Got me some play
read what was my time?

Speaker 5 (57:37):
What You're at?

Speaker 4 (57:38):
University of South Carolina. In the practice facility, we ran
with the running back and ran. I ran pretty good.
It's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
A four to eighty three? Did you train for this?
I train every day, bro. That's really impressive.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
So I would think probably closer to four nine. No,
I'm giving myself. He was probably a little fast, but
we have it all on tape.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
We have we fully taped it.

Speaker 5 (58:03):
Yeah, I feel pretty good, but it was not like
my third. Like I didn't nail it the first time.

Speaker 6 (58:06):
That's okay, you still ran a four eight, I will
say four to nine. No, you're rounding down, don't you
know decimals like with my kids all the time.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
You ran a four eight. That's really impressive. I felt
pretty good.

Speaker 5 (58:18):
Also, I felt like my hamstrings were going to rip
out of my legs because I was going.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
To it's worth it, it's worth it.

Speaker 5 (58:25):
We do have it on tape, and I actually want
to see this. You don't. I don't look very good
doing it.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Nobody looks good running.

Speaker 6 (58:32):
I love the slow motion video sometimes when they show
these guys at the combine, their faces are just contorted.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
And there's.

Speaker 5 (58:38):
Tom Cruise looks pretty good running like he's kind of
nailed the movie running he.

Speaker 6 (58:44):
Has and he's just he's pretty good at everything. I mean,
flies his own plane, does his own stunts. It's pretty
remarkable what he's able to do. I would love to play.
I mean, if I was any action figure, he'd be
a pretty good one to be. The Mission Impossible movies too,
love those.

Speaker 5 (59:01):
Was there ever a moment in your career because here
you are star athlete, good looking dude, guy that. They
were like, hey, want you do some acting when you
finish here?

Speaker 6 (59:08):
No, not really. I just never got into it. Even
though my mom's kind of in that business. She's a
set decorator's been in that business for twenty five years.
She probably is my biggest promoter of me going into Maddie. Maddie,
you should go try You've got the phase for it,
this that, And I was like, Eh, well no I haven't.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
I've done it.

Speaker 6 (59:26):
I did it one commercial with Danny McBride for case Swiss.
That's about the extent of my acting.

Speaker 5 (59:32):
What was that commercial? Now that's a video. I got
to say, I got videos we need to see.

Speaker 6 (59:36):
Now that is a video. It's not necessarily kid appropriate.
And they called me and case Swiss said, we're going
to do the Casewiss tubes.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
It's we're going to try to market this thing.

Speaker 6 (59:48):
Danny McBride, he's gonna come up and he played his
character from East Bound and Down, so he was in
full character. We did this this shoot and if you
see it, you're going to understand what I'm saying when
I say it's not kid appropriate because the stuff that
comes out of his mouth and all the different visuals
that he has from his office is absurd and really

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really out there in terms of humor.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
So we will put up as a video clip of both.

Speaker 5 (01:00:18):
I'll watch it after it, but we'll put it as part,
you know, part of it is.

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
And then we'll put me running my forty at South Carolina,
but only the last one read I don't want to
slow the slower ones, like, we have to.

Speaker 5 (01:00:29):
Definitely put our best foot.

Speaker 6 (01:00:30):
Absolutely, we only take the best time anyway at the combine,
so you should do only the best one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
I mean, how much slower were you just kind of
building up? What?

Speaker 5 (01:00:40):
Yes, and that I was afraid I was going to
tear my hamstrings.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
So I think the first one I ran like a
five to two, and I was like, oh, I got
I have more in the tank, right, Like I knew
I had way more in the tank, but I'm not
twenty five. And so the second one probably closer to five,
and then I just thought, I screw it. I'm going
as hard as I can and if I pull a
hams then I just pull up.

Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
And I didn't pull up, and it's a pretty good time.

Speaker 6 (01:01:04):
I can't even imagine running a forty at this point,
but I was in an adult softball league two years
ago and I hit a weak grounder to third and
I was like, I'm going to leg this out. Pulled
my quad muscle. Never pulled a muscle in my life,
pulled my quad muscle. That's when I started to feel old.
I was like, what a loser. I was hobbling down
the base path.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Just go it?

Speaker 5 (01:01:24):
What did you leg it out?

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Or you say I got there? I got that. That's
all that matters. That you know.

Speaker 6 (01:01:30):
I'm a maximum effort, tight guy. I'm gonna give it
all laid all on the line for the team.

Speaker 5 (01:01:34):
The two things people know about you just from hearing
from around town, just walking around town and the guy
does a heck of an agility trow and he legged out.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Those are my too promising things that I have going
for me as an athlete.

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
Going into this weekend. Pick a winner both sides.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Oh gosh, this is this is fun.

Speaker 6 (01:01:54):
I do believe that Buffalo is going to go into
Kansas City and win. I just I think that they've
got the balance with the run game and James Cook defense.
I really like their defense, and I just haven't seen
the production. As I said before, that scares me. With
this Kansas City offense. So I'm gonna go with Buffalo.
I'm sorry, but it's hard. It's always hard for you

(01:02:16):
to pick somebody other than Kansas City in these situations
because they've proven it so many times that this is
when they thrive and they're when they're at their best.
But I think if there's every year for somebody to
knock them off, I think Buffalo can do it, and
I think they will. And then when you talk about
Washington at Philly, I think Philly is going to win.
I just think the physicality of that offensive line, offensive

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line Saquon Barkley, and I don't think the defense has
talked about as much. That defense are a bunch of
dogs out there. I mean, they're really really good defense,
and it's going to take a maximum effort by Washington
to beat them, particularly on the defensive side of the
ball because the way in which they run the ball.
The reason why they won last week was because of

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the five turnovers that Detroit had. When they run the
ball and they're effective as they are in Philadelphia. One
they keep the ball out of Jaden Daniels hands, but
two they don't give you the same opportunities that Detroit
gave Washington last week because they just don't throw the
ball at such high volume.

Speaker 5 (01:03:16):
Wise Man once said to be the man, you got
to beat the man. Woo.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
That wise man is Ric Flair, and until you beat him,
he's the man. It's Patrick Mahomes, It's Kansas City. I
don't see how they lose. I think they go out
play eight man and win somehow magically Kansas City doesn't
lose in Kansas City. So and then I think that

(01:03:41):
as a shout out London, thanks for coming on. But
I think the Eagles are I think we got a
rematch yep. I think a couple of years ago. It's
going to be awesome to conclude this. Have you seen
the Chiefs of hollic documentary, No Wow good as a
former Chiefs player who understands Chiefs kingdom. And also, I
grew up in small towns and the Chiefs are a

(01:04:02):
small market team, right, so Buffalo's small market team and
the passion in these small market areas it's massive because
it's really all they have as far as like.

Speaker 5 (01:04:12):
Athletic teams like Kansas City. They don't have a basketball team.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
They have a baseball team, but they're one of these, again,
least funded baseball teams in the majors. They're spending no money,
they're small, zero money. So Chiefs Kingdom there's a guy
named chiefs Aholik who dressed in full wolf costume. And
I don't know if he was there when you were there.
I'm not sure how long he's been, this guy, but
it's the story about him. Robin Banks, Oh, I remember

(01:04:38):
reading this, yes, and that's all I remember too. Was
the guy that would go to away games and rob
Banks on the way to away games so he'd get
pay for his trips.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
He's got beer, buddy.

Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
It's way more than that, is It so good?

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
It's so good. And it took a long time for
them to catch him too, right.

Speaker 5 (01:04:54):
I don't even want to spoil it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Oh boy, I mean I can't wait.

Speaker 5 (01:04:56):
To get my wife.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
If my wife was like what I like it, I
would say for you, For my wife, I would say
I would give it three and a half out of five.
For my friends, I would say four and a half. Really,
it's a little long, because it's almost two hours.

Speaker 5 (01:05:09):
I had no idea some of the stuff that was happening.
It's it is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Yes, I cannot.

Speaker 5 (01:05:14):
Yeah, it's on Amazon. It's called Chiefs Ofholly.

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
What team if they said, okay, you got to put
a team on your headstone, what team would it be?

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Oh? Boy?

Speaker 6 (01:05:25):
I've always had a lot of loyalty to the Patriots
because they gave me that opportunity when I don't think
anybody else would have. Everybody's like, hey, we'd love to
bring in as a free agent, this, that and the other.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
And then to get that phone call and.

Speaker 6 (01:05:39):
Say, we're going to take you because we're going to
give you this opportunity, but we're going to use our
last draft pick on somebody that never started a game
and saw something in me that maybe didn't see in myself.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
And then to develop me the way in.

Speaker 6 (01:05:53):
Which they did and allow me to learn from a
guy like Tom Brady. And then when all the stuff
went down in two thousand and eight and Tom goes
down the first game, we went kind of up and
down early in the season when lost when law and
to stick with me and just allow me to write
it out and grow throughout the season not only as
a leader but as a player, and we end up

(01:06:14):
having success, And that really catapulted me and extended my
career because look, I was that was the last year
of my rookie contract. If I don't play that year,
I don't know if I'm still on a team or
we're even sitting here talking, right. And So the loyalty
to Bill Belichick, the Craft family, to just them being
the organization that they were and have been and allowing

(01:06:36):
me to come in there and give me my opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
I've always had great loyalty to that. So Patriots Patriots?
Should I have just said Patriots and I'm ready. So
you're going with Patriots?

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
No, I just I'm curious as to where your loyalty
and you can have multi loyals if that's even a term.

Speaker 5 (01:06:55):
But that answer makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 6 (01:06:58):
Okay, So if you were to give same thing for
you the biggest influence in your career to like get
to where you are early on or throughout that, you'd
say you would You'd say I'd die for this person,
or I would give whatever I need to give to
pay back what they offered me or advice, whatever it

(01:07:21):
might be. It's probably a really difficult question to answer
considering all the people you've met throughout your career. But
somebody that's had such an impact on you. It's somebody
I've never met.

Speaker 5 (01:07:30):
I never had a mentor, and I never really had
anybody go I believe in you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
I'm going to pay you a bunch of money. It
was more like, okay, prove it, wise guy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
He little guber.

Speaker 5 (01:07:42):
But I would say David Letterman, never met.

Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
Him, is my hero because he was an odd I
could see something that resembled me, and that he was
an oddly looking guy for television, irreverent and was from
Middle America that was from the South, but he wasn't
from like New York or LA, and he wasn't slick.

(01:08:08):
And I just thought because I would have watched David Letterman,
I was like eight guy. I never had a bedroom
growing up, so I slept on couch in my whole life,
and so I would watch TV all night, and so
I would watch that show and not even get the
jokes and go like, that's the guy that is telling
me that I can do this.

Speaker 5 (01:08:24):
So I never got drafted by Letterman.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Which was really cool. It'd be cool.

Speaker 5 (01:08:26):
We've been like we're taking the fifth round.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
I'm like, of what, But uh, Letterman is that guy
who if it's put someone's face.

Speaker 5 (01:08:36):
I'd just I'd have him sketch out a letterman on
my on my headstone, little yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Yeah, yeah, I love that.

Speaker 5 (01:08:41):
One day. Although he's getting old, but you're.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Gonna have to do this quick, yeah, because he is
getting a little bit older. But it's all we all are.
We all are day by day.

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
Blink of and I that's it. Thank you guys. Uh
next week another episode. These episodes come out on Wednesday.
We actually are a little late on this one because
Matt went to the National Championship game, which.

Speaker 5 (01:09:00):
Ended up being kind of exciting at the end.

Speaker 6 (01:09:02):
It did it did? I mean, I'm not gonna lie
thirty one seven. Midway through the third I was like, boys,
get your coach ready because if they score again, we
might be Yeah, we're gonna be driving. Look, I'm a
big fan, but my loyalty Look, I was a Trojan,
right and so my loyalties weren't to either one of
these schools. But at the same time, when it gets
out of hand like that, it's kind of like it's

(01:09:24):
difficult to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
But I'll tell you what the old faithful for Notre Dame.
You know, they came back.

Speaker 6 (01:09:31):
They put a score on the board, and then they
got to stop. They go down drive and then that
they missed that field goal, and I was just like, ah,
could you hear it hit in the same Oh, you
can hear one percent and then it ricochets backwards, you
know sometimes they like rick.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
I was just like, oh, my gosh, that is not good.

Speaker 6 (01:09:47):
I just at that point I didn't understand why don't
we just take another shot at the enz like you're
still to score game. And then they had another great
drive to hit the big play down the field.

Speaker 5 (01:09:57):
I mean the turnover though, You're like, hey, that feel
go that it went in and it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
Would have actually worked, right. Uh, yeah, that's fine, that's exciting.

Speaker 6 (01:10:03):
I saw it with your boys, Yes, the boys, And
I mean, I know, growing up, I went to like
one professional football game. I went to one Notre Dame
SC game with my grandfather, but we didn't really go
to a lot of sporting events, but I vividly remember those.
It was like one of those special moments that you
go and you're like, gosh, it's so cool be in

(01:10:23):
a stadium, be in the environment, feel the energy. And
so I was like, it's in Atlanta, it's not far
from us. Drove up on Monday, went and got set
up at the hotel and took the boys there and
they enjoyed every minute of it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
Man Yeah, producer Kevin O'Connell, red Yarberry over there running
the video.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
He's Matt Castle.

Speaker 5 (01:10:41):
I'm Bobby Bones.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
We'll see you next week. We have had lots to.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
Say by everybody, lots to say with Bobby Bones and
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