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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Sunday Sampler. Hopefully you like
some of this. If you do, go check out the
podcast specifically for it. On the Bobby Cast, Sarah Beth
Tait joined me. I had a huge surprise for her.
There were tears.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Check it out.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
We'll start with this Take This Personally from Morgan Heelsman.
She talked with a physician and neuroscience expert about had
to heal from having anxiety and what steps that you
can take to stop the alarms that people here when
they get anxious. Well, you'll hear four things with Amy Brown,
Sore Losers, Movie Mike, and so much more. But let's
get started with a clip from Take This Personally with
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Morgan Heulsman.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Personally super exciting right now because I'm joined by doctor
Russell Kennedy, otherwise known as the Anxiety MD on social media.
He's a physician, neuroscience expert, among many other things.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
How are you doing today?
Speaker 5 (01:17):
I'm great, Morgan, How are you?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I'm doing good? And I'm really excited to really talk
to you about anxiety, because, man, I think anxiety has
a little bit of people out there who don't understand
it quite as well.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
As they should.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Anxiety in your mind is really a state of alarm
in your body, physiological survival based alarm that you probably
had since you were a child.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
So we know that talking about things is really good
for this mental aspect. But if somebody would want to
work on fixing that alarm, how do they go about
doing that?
Speaker 5 (01:48):
So first of all, you find it in your body.
So what I will tell people is that when you're
really worried, when you're really anxious about something, And I
had a patient I talked about this in the book
whose father died when she was ten in an industrial accident.
He went out to work one summer morning and then
didn't come back. So her husband today, she's always looking
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around the house to see if he's packed at the
suitcase for a quick exit or leave, you know, so
she'll get into this thing where she convinces herself that
her husband is leaving her. Now, her husband's a really
good guy and is just is flabbergasted by this whole thing.
So when I tell her, like, whenever you start searching
the house for a suitcase, or whenever you start getting
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paranoid that he's going to leave you, it's like, this
is not This is not you today, this is you
when you were ten years old and you're trying to reconcile.
You're trying to make sense of that whole situation. So
it's really realizing, Okay, this is actually a feeling. Like
I get her to say, where do you get this feeling?
Like it's in your body somewhere, and she says, well,
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it's this pressure. It's kind of like an hourglass around
my heart, Like it squeezes around my heart and then
it opens up below, like she described this real hourglass
thing where the middle of the hourglass was squeezing her heart,
and she said it fell hollow and black and alone.
And I really get people to look into their bodies
when they're anxious, because the anxiety that the worries will
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never end, like they will just keep going and going
and going and going. But if you find this place
of alarm in your body, a lot of people, it's
in the midline between your chin and your pubic bone,
and just when you get anxious and I don't even
like that word. I like the word alarm better than anxious.
But even when you get anxious or alarmed, start searching
your body for this energy rather than getting stuck in
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the endless machinations of your mind, because you're never going
to find healing in your mind. The healing comes from
binding this place in your body, which I believe is
your younger self. So that part of her that searches
around the house for the suitcase is her ten year
old self, her amygdalad or insula. The parts of our
brain that kind of record our experiences through life have
created this sort of age regression in her, and she
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goes back to that same place and she feels like
a ten year old, although she doesn't know she's a
ten year old. So it's really about finding this alarm
that's stuck in your body and realizing that it's probably
decades old.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
And when you find that, then how do you start
to get it.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Does it ever go away?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Did the alarm ever go away? Or are you just
now recognizing it and that's allowing you to then deal
with it.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
It's a great question, Margy. I would say it never
goes away.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
But here's the kicker. I have it.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
I still have it today, like I still have alarm
in my system, but I know it now. You know,
it's like the old It's like the T shirt that says,
I'm in my own little world. But it's okay. They
know me here, you know, I know it now, So
it's like I'm familiar with the sensation, and I don't
have to compulsively start adding worries to this feeling of
alarm in my body, which when you were a child,
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when you went up to your head and to worry,
you kind of escaped this old alarm that you would
stuff down into your body. So worries become an escape.
So they become addictive in a way because they give
you a little escape from this alarm in your body.
But they it becomes so habitual that they take you over,
and it's like OCD. When someone has OCD, they may
start with, you know, tapping the doorknob three times, but
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then and that works, and then it stops working, so
they tap the doorknob five times, and then twenty times,
and then they spin around five times because they're trying
to recapture the same feeling of relief that they got initially,
which is what we do with worries. The worries actually
do provide us a little sense of relief for zero
point four of a second in our brain as we
make the uncertain a little more certain. That's what worries do.
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They make the uncertain appear more certain and we get
a little dopamine hit in our brain from that, and
we get addicted to that. So if you're addicted to worries,
how are you going to stop? How are you going
to get out of your anxiety? Because there is the
human brain doesn't do anything where there isn't a reward.
So we're actually rewarded for our worries. And when we heal,
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we have to go into our body resolve that alarm
that's driving, that's providing the energy for the worries in
the first place. And when we resolve that alarmed, the
inner and the worries just kind of fade away or
they become so weak that we can see them as worries.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Are you an organized person?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Now?
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah? You keep a calendar? Yeah, like what's your in
your phone? You have a calendar of like stuff?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
What do you put in your rights?
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Okay, like mine everything is like colored right, like I
have like five This is how do you organize yours?
Speaker 7 (06:37):
Okay, maybe I'm not as organized as I am.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Higher don't compare. Don't compare yourself to me. Because I am.
It's like one of the things that I'm prideful of.
But it's again, it's a survival thing. Yeah, I need
everything mapped out exactly, which is great right now. It
depends who you're talking to. Yes, I can be a
little rigid.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
I actually have been wanting to lately get a ritch you.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
It's all cute for a minute. It's like going to
get a butter churner. It's like it was fun for
a picture. But god, dang, Forteme, you want to turn
a butter it sucks.
Speaker 7 (07:08):
Okay, you're about to save me money because I was
a butter turner.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, don't get that. I mean you can get one,
but it's annoying. What are you trying to prove? You're
carrying around paper? And also if it gets wet, it sucks.
You gotta have a pin. It's like do a your
pinw to borrow a pin? Now you got COVID because
the pin had COVID on it. You don't need that.
You can't put in your pocket. Just do it on
your phone.
Speaker 7 (07:28):
Okay. It's the writer in me. I want to see it.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
It is romantic to write, Yes, I bet you.
Speaker 7 (07:34):
I want to romanticize my schedule.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Okay, pull up your phone?
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Phone with you?
Speaker 7 (07:38):
No, I don't.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Do you even have you use the phone? She's like,
I do not. I want to romanticize.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
I'm off the grid.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
No, I mail all my correspondents.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
I very much, so have my phone.
Speaker 8 (07:50):
You're making me nervous with what I'm supposed to be nothing.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Is this a little test?
Speaker 7 (07:54):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
What do you have? What is today?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Second?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
What do you do? What do you have for today?
Speaker 9 (08:05):
You?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Okay? Like it?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
What about tomorrow?
Speaker 7 (08:09):
A doctor's appointment?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
What about?
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Let me just move on here? The twenty fifth? Do
you have anything October twenty fifth? I have?
Speaker 8 (08:18):
Oh my daughter's birthday is the twenty seventh, but I
have nothing that Friday.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Okay, So that's cool. Because what I would like to
invite you to do at some friends. You're gonna make
your Ofrey debut?
Speaker 7 (08:32):
No, are you serious? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I'm not kidding you. What so if your calendar is free,
how would you like to.
Speaker 7 (08:49):
Oh my god, you have got to be joking.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I'm not joking.
Speaker 7 (08:57):
What is that happening right now? Did you want to
know about this?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
You haven't answered the questions?
Speaker 7 (09:03):
Yes, absolutely, I will be there.
Speaker 8 (09:08):
Oh my gosh, I thought you were just did you
just make this up?
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Just like, what do you mean.
Speaker 9 (09:18):
This?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yes, yes, that would be funny. No, I didn't make
it up that the texting had nothing to do with this.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
But the Oprey would like to invite you to come
out and make your Oprey debut on October twenty fifth.
Speaker 7 (09:32):
Oh my gosh, I cannot believe this.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
How does that make you feel?
Speaker 6 (09:39):
It's just the.
Speaker 7 (09:39):
Most surreal this.
Speaker 8 (09:40):
I think this is the most surreal moment of my
ten years.
Speaker 7 (09:48):
I've just I've.
Speaker 8 (09:50):
Dreamt about that for so long, and you and you
watch your heroes do that's just the one thing that
is like you've made it when you do that.
Speaker 7 (10:04):
I can't believe they're going to let me do that.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
They're not letting you do anything. They think you have
earned the ability to play that stage. So they're not
letting you. There's no charity involved here, there's no make
a wish. If so, I'd have gotten there a long
time early.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Wait let me play?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Uh No, then I think they have an appreciation for
what you do, how you do it, what you've created,
even with a new project.
Speaker 7 (10:31):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
And so the twenty fifth Oh my gosh, I did
set you up on the other dates, Like I was like,
what are you doing today? I was just kind of
walking you to it. Yeah, that's exciting.
Speaker 7 (10:45):
Wow, oh my gosh, thank you so much.
Speaker 10 (11:14):
Up little food for yourself life. Oh it's pretty bad.
It's pretty beautiful thing beautiful for that for a little
more and it's exciting. Said he you're kicking with full
with Amy Brown.
Speaker 9 (11:33):
I just have just been feeling so down with all
that's going on. So it occurred to me that I
had to be open to a creative solution. And this
is something that feels really good to put up and
really good to offer you and a good challenge for myself.
And it also occurred to me, even just in this
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very moment as I'm talking, that some of you are
loyal listeners that just pull up the podcast when you're
driving or doing other things. So you may not be
prepared to walk, but you can still listen and take
in the words and then save this episode for when
you can actually do a walking meditation. But you know, honestly,
we're not experts here, so maybe you do a driving
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meditation just definitely don't close your eyes, but in a
walking meditation. You don't either. But maybe you're cleaning your house,
or you're running errands, or whatever it is you're doing.
Just do the whatever it is you're doing meditation and
then you can also save it and come back to
it when you're ready. But since this is my first one,
we're keeping it very simple. It is a five minute
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meditation that I wrote and recorded earlier today. So I
hope that you'll take the next five minutes for yourself
and here you go, enjoy. Welcome to a walking meditation.
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That isn't about doing it perfectly. It's just about showing
up and taking a little time to be present. So
take a deep breath in and breathe it out. I
hope that this is some time for yourself, for you
to clear your mind and reconnect to yourself. So bring
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awareness to your body.
Speaker 11 (13:27):
How does it feel.
Speaker 9 (13:30):
For me? One of the first things I notice is
my shoulders, So notice your shoulders. Maybe they need to relax.
What about your breath? Can you get more intentional with it? Like,
take a deep breath in and excel slowly. This is
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a time for you to slow down and just be
Notice your steps, feel the ground underneath your feet. There's
no need to rush or force anything. Just let your
body go at the pace that it needs. Each step
is grounding you, connecting you to the present moment. You
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can take a deep breath in again through your nose,
hold it for a second, and then exhil through your mouth.
As you continue walking, keep breathing and bring your attention
to your surroundings.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
What do you see?
Speaker 9 (14:34):
I personally love looking at the trees, especially now with
the changing colors of fall. I just take it all in.
And then there's sometimes birds flying from tree to tree.
I try to take that in and have gratitude for it.
So what is it that you see around you? Take
a second to really notice things, Take it all in
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and breathe, and now ask yourself as you or walking,
what is something that brings you joy? Maybe it's a memory,
a person, or just the fact that you're taking this
time for yourself right now. Is that what is bringing
you joy? Just think of anything, no matter how small,
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how big, something that brings you joy and take another
deep breath in and let it out slowly. Now, let's
think about hope. Two things. I love a lot, joy
and hope. No matter what is happening in the world,
or in your life. Know that hope is something that
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you can carry with you with each step. Let's imagine
ourselves walking towards something positive, whether it's a goal, or
a dream, or simply a sense of peace. Believe that
you have what it takes to move forward. Now, check
in with your self again. How are you feeling. Is
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your mind wandering?
Speaker 11 (16:04):
If so, that's okay.
Speaker 9 (16:06):
Acknowledge any thoughts and then release them and bring your
focus back to your breath and back to your steps.
Has a problem popped into your mind, that's okay too.
Acknowledge it and remember you are open to creative solutions.
Remind yourself of that. You can say it out loud
if you need to. I am open to creative solutions. Breath,
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then again, end out. This moment is yours. There is
no need to rush. Allow yourself to enjoy the simple
act of moving and being present. You are enough just
as you are now. I want to take a moment
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and encourage you to smile. Now, this used to make
me uncomfortable, but I have come to love it. I
know it might feel a little silly, especially if you're
out in public, but go ahead, smile to yourself. To
smile feel how simple that tiny movement on your face
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changes your energy. Smiling even when no one's looking, is
a small act of joy. Take one more deep breath
in in for four, hold for four, and exhale for four.
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Now I want you to take a moment thank yourself
for being here. I hope you take this feeling of calm, hope,
joy and belief in yourself. I hope you take this
with you the rest of the day. If you need
to rewind a little bit and do this all again,
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I hope you take the time to do that for yourself,
and remember, at any moment you can stop, notice your surroundings,
take some breaths, do some walking, and reset your mind.
Thanks for being here.
Speaker 12 (18:31):
We're gonna do it live. Oh the one, two, three,
sore losers?
Speaker 6 (18:39):
What up, everybody? I am lunchbox.
Speaker 13 (18:40):
I know the most about sports, so I'll give you
the sports facts, my sports opinions, because I'm pretty much
a sports genius, y'all.
Speaker 14 (18:48):
It's Sison. I'm from the North. I'm an alpha male.
I live on the north side of Nashville with Baser,
my wife. We do have a farm. It's beautiful, a
lot of acreage, no animals, a lot of crops. Hopefully
soon corn pumpkins, rye. I believe maybe a little fescue.
Oh to be determined.
Speaker 13 (19:07):
Over to you, coach, And here's a clip from this
week's episode of The Sore Losers. Right, my son, baby
Box three, he turned three years old the other day.
Speaker 12 (19:19):
Not another birthday?
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Oh no, that yeah, it happens once a year.
Speaker 13 (19:22):
Each kid's gonna have a birthday and we're gonna celebrate it,
and it's gonna be amazing, and you want him to
have great memories.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
And so much fun. Here's the thing.
Speaker 13 (19:31):
At three years old, did we throw him a birthday party?
Absolutely not.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
There's a lot of people that throw three year old
birthday parties.
Speaker 13 (19:37):
I just am not. A three year old doesn't really
have friends. They know of kids, but they don't have friends.
There's no need to have a birthday party. But we
wanted to make it special and so I gotta go
to the you know, local Kroger.
Speaker 12 (19:52):
Do it for the gram?
Speaker 6 (19:54):
No we didn't. We didn't do it for the Gram.
I just got to get a couple of balloons because.
Speaker 12 (19:57):
When you're kidding, you don't post your kids.
Speaker 13 (19:59):
I know home, But that's what a lot of people do.
They do it for the gram that's why they have
a birthday party. So I gotta go get a couple
of balloons because when he wakes up in the morning,
you want him to have balloons when he wakes up.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Oh yeah, it's my birthday. It's exciting. So I go
to the local Kroger at like eight pm.
Speaker 12 (20:17):
Not the spot, but okay, And.
Speaker 13 (20:19):
I grab a number three balloon because he's sterning three
years old. And I grab a Paul Patrol balloon because
he likes Paul Patrol. So I get him and I
go through the checkout and and I'm like, yeah, can
you can you blow these up for me? They said,
oh yeah, just go over to the floral department. I'll
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send someone over there. I'm all right cool. So they
get on the intercom. Oh, because there's no floral department
person working.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
They're gone home for the night.
Speaker 13 (20:50):
I was like, oh, the floral apartment person night, No, no, no,
I have to get someone from you know, different department.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Floral's closed for the night.
Speaker 12 (20:56):
I'm like, okay, do you care if I go with
my girlfriend? I'm gonna check out.
Speaker 13 (20:59):
Ear So I was like all right, cool, cool. So
I go over there and I hear over the intercom.
Can I get someone from produce, someone from produce to
help someone in the floral department.
Speaker 12 (21:10):
Oh, man, I got meat hands. What the heck am
I supposed to do?
Speaker 13 (21:13):
I'm like, wait, so I gotta wait for Johnny Appleseed
to come over here.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
Why I am, okay, cool? All right?
Speaker 13 (21:19):
Flora, floral and produce are kind of close together. It'll
it'll be a minute.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Damn it.
Speaker 12 (21:23):
I got poultry all over my hands.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
Then I wait.
Speaker 13 (21:26):
There, I'm sitting there checking out the floral arrangements. Oh
these are real nice. Oh, bouquet roses, some different colored
flowers that I don't know what they are.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
Nice nice?
Speaker 13 (21:36):
Oh yeah, I got a lot of balloons. But no,
I just need these blown up. I see the helium tank.
You think I could just do it myself? Probably not
a good idea. Six minutes goes by, no one comes,
so I got I go to the customer service. I'm like, yeah,
I'm just you know, I'm just trying to get these balloons,
you know, blown up, And they're like, oh, yeah, if
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you'll just pay them before him, they'll page some to
come over there. I said, no, no, here's mar seat
I already paid for him. Just need someone to come
over there. Oh here, let me let me call them.
Can I get someone from produce to the floral department
for customer assistance?
Speaker 8 (22:11):
Please?
Speaker 13 (22:12):
Can I get Can I get someone from the produce
department to the floral department or customer?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Shit?
Speaker 12 (22:18):
Got apple all over my hands?
Speaker 6 (22:20):
Okay, cool? They should be right over sir, Thank you. Cool.
Speaker 12 (22:23):
Damn it, I got the aid playing all over my hands.
Speaker 13 (22:26):
I'm like, all right, so I go back over there
looking at the flowers again. Man, I've already loved at
this bouquet of flowers. Seeing that bouquet of flowers. You're
doing the fake walk by, doing the fake walk by
like I'm shopping, just kind of like, alright, they're gonna
get That's.
Speaker 12 (22:39):
A fast food plays. Whenever you're waiting for your food,
it's always a yeah.
Speaker 14 (22:43):
You're putting your hand on the fountain drink maker, seeing
how it's made. You got your drink. You're just seeing
the straws. Oh, that's where they put all the large
straws out.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
I got it.
Speaker 15 (22:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
You're leaning up against that wall. That wall is not
very comfortable. Let me move over to this wall.
Speaker 14 (22:56):
Looking at the menu that you've already known since childhood.
Speaker 12 (22:59):
Oh, they got the big.
Speaker 13 (23:00):
Mag I do love when people walk into like a
Chick fil A and they stare at the menu like
like you haven't been here a million times, Like okay,
maybe one in every hundred people have never been there,
so they're trying to figure out what they want. But
for the most part, you know exactly what they have,
and you know exactly what you're gonna order.
Speaker 14 (23:18):
Spicy chicken, regular chicken, pimento cheese. They've got the now.
Someplaces got the Burger Spot, they got the lemonade. They
got the sweet lemonade with the lemonade on our old Palmer.
No ice cream, maybe ice cream, no ice cream, chicken nuggets,
chicken minies, the large waffle fries, medium with waffle fries.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
There you go. So just sitting there.
Speaker 12 (23:37):
Back to Kroger.
Speaker 13 (23:38):
Yeah, back to Kroger. Another five minutes goes by and
here comes Thomas walking up. You got some blue gloves
on and I my, He's like, oh, did you need
some help, sir?
Speaker 12 (23:51):
He's got the OJ gloves on. Hey man, I just
needed a balloon.
Speaker 13 (23:55):
I was like, yeah, man, I was just trying to
get these balloons blown up because oh yeah, I heard
them pageing sorry about that, I was on break. Cool,
So you couldn't have like called them back and said, hey,
I'm on break.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
Can you get someone else to do it? You just
and he was like, and my break had just started.
Speaker 12 (24:11):
It was a fifteen minute or American way.
Speaker 13 (24:13):
And I'm like, oh, cool, man, I'm glad I had
to sit here and wait while you took your damn break.
I mean, I know, hey, listen, I gotta be honest.
I'm glad you got a break, but I mean you
could at least let someone know you were on break
instead of me sitting here for fifteen freaking minutes. I
really only waited eleven minutes because I guess you were
four minutes into your break before I paged you.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
But cool, He's like, do you know what color ribbon
you want?
Speaker 13 (24:35):
I'm like, oh, orange is fine, man, all right, make
it rainbow and he blows up the three bo.
Speaker 12 (24:43):
That was jump scared dude, he popped it.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
Oh too much air?
Speaker 12 (24:46):
What was that like in person?
Speaker 6 (24:47):
That was loud?
Speaker 8 (24:48):
On?
Speaker 6 (24:48):
I was scary? Scary?
Speaker 12 (24:50):
Is it scare of the kid?
Speaker 13 (24:51):
Well, my kid's not with me? Oh, because the kid
I'm gonna put him at the kitchen table. So when
he wakes up in the morning. This is at eight
o'clock at night, so he's already in bed, right.
Speaker 14 (24:59):
But you said they're I can remember anyways, so who
gives a shit? Well, let him come and see the surprise,
experience the surprise. He'll forget about it in five years.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
No, No, but he would remember the next morning because
he'd already have seen the balloon.
Speaker 14 (25:13):
Right, But their memories aren't that developed. These in five years,
he's not gonna remember, right, But that morning, I want
it to be a surprise. I want to see the
excitement on his face.
Speaker 12 (25:20):
Kids are basically eighty year old old with dementia.
Speaker 13 (25:25):
They really, when you think about it, they are. It's
so weird that they don't remember anything, Like they don't
really have memories before five years.
Speaker 12 (25:33):
Old, correct, So it's really just a mini dementia.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
So when we do all these events and cool things
and they won't remember it, I sit there and think,
I'm like, damn, they're never gonna remember this. This is
crazy to me.
Speaker 14 (25:45):
Shouldn't have said that's actually sad family members have dementia.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
It's it's sad.
Speaker 14 (25:50):
It's a terrible it's a terrible disease. Terrible, man, it
might be the worst one. I'd rather go than not
be able to remember. Crap, you got your own wife
in front of you.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
You're like, who are you?
Speaker 12 (25:59):
WHOA look at those I know you.
Speaker 10 (26:01):
I'm your wife.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
Yeah, that's that's that's a tough one, man. So back
to more positive news.
Speaker 13 (26:07):
So he pulls out a number three balloon, another one
and fills it up and he's like, all right, here
you go, just take this the register to pay for it.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
I'm like, no, no, here's my receipt.
Speaker 13 (26:14):
Man already paid, tried to, They tried to make me
pay again.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
I'm like, no, no, I got a receipt man.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
You know.
Speaker 13 (26:19):
It's like, oh, okay, cool, we'll have a great day,
enjoy the birthday. I'm like thanks, man, And then I
walk out and I go home and I forgot to
get a cake, so I had to go back the
next day and get a cake.
Speaker 12 (26:32):
Same dude, Thomas.
Speaker 13 (26:34):
No, No, I went to the bakery that time and
I asked him to put my son's name on it,
and they misspelled the name.
Speaker 12 (26:42):
Oh oh oh yeah, that you have.
Speaker 13 (26:47):
Quinn Yeah, And they put Finn Cam. Yeah, and they
put con Jalen. Yeah, what did I name? Heisman Trophy finalists?
But they misspelled the name and I was like, oh whatever,
I don't care, man, just whatever, Like, I'm not gonna
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argue with you, dude, I totally hear. It was supposed
to be it was supposed to be an A and
they put an O instead. But I'm like, I'm not
gonna mess with it.
Speaker 14 (27:15):
We at the CARES team, remember we used to have
to do that. Cakes balloons they screw up all the time,
all the time. Yeah, the spelling is always an issue,
the exact size of it, if it's cursive, if it's
even legible.
Speaker 12 (27:28):
It's a lot.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
Yeah, but yeah, that was the birthday.
Speaker 12 (27:31):
Man.
Speaker 13 (27:31):
He loved the balloons. The balloon is still up. We
still play with the number three balloon. Baby Box accidentally
broke the string on the Paul Patrol balloon that morning,
and so it's just sitting on the kitchen ceiling and
they keep asking me when you're gonna get that down,
and I keep forgetting.
Speaker 14 (27:45):
And I just remembered right now that it's still sitting
up there. Give it three more days, it'll be down.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
That's right.
Speaker 13 (27:50):
Uh So, Yeah, that was it. That was his birthday party.
But it was just took me back to the hole
in America. You can't get help anywhere.
Speaker 8 (27:56):
Man.
Speaker 14 (27:56):
But did the produce guy did he end up getting
that break? He finished it out? Oh he finished it? No,
he finished it for he came.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Man.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Hey, it's Mike d and this week I'm moving Mike's
movie podcast. It was really cool for me. If you
listen to my podcast, you know I am huge into
horror movies and I got to talk to two horror icons,
Robert England, who plays Freddy Krueger in the original A
Nightmare on Elm Street, and Heather Langenkamp, who plays Nancy
in that movie. They were together again celebrating the fortieth
anniversary of A Nightmare on Elm Street. We dove into
(28:39):
the movie's history through numbers. So I'll play a little
bit of that for you now, but be sure to
go check out this full episode. You can check out
clips all my socials at Mike Dstro But right now,
here's just a little bit of my interview with Robert
England and Heather langen Camp aka Freddy Krueger and Nancy.
So I want to do a buy the numbers interview
(29:00):
to see how many number related questions we're here to
get in here, Starting off with forty it's been forty
years since the movie came out. The next number is
thirty two. The entire movie was filmed in thirty two days. Heather,
what was your favorite day on set?
Speaker 8 (29:12):
Oh?
Speaker 16 (29:12):
Gosh, probably the days I didn't have a big makeup
I mean a big stunt or something. I know, the
day with Johnny when we're walking across the bridge in Venice,
or the day with Amanda where we're at the party
and where you know, first talking about Freddy. Those days
were really luxurious because there wasn't a lot of tension
acting and I could just hang out with everybody and
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have a great time. Most other days when we did
do like the bathtub scene or chase scenes, all of
those were really you know, you don't have a lot
of time. You have to be on your mark, you
have to know exactly what you're doing. A lot more pressure,
a lot less time to hang out and just kind
of have a great time on set with my co stars.
Speaker 17 (29:51):
Any day when I'm getting the makeup off, yeah that's happy.
But I got the makeup off one day and it
was a couple of you know, buddy boogers hanging from
my ears and underneath my chin, and Heather and I
wanted to see the revolving room and this was going
to be the shot of Johnny Depp's bed exploding with
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all the blood coming out in a gusher like Old Faithful.
And they had this great revolving room and it was
the same room they used for Amanda on the ceiling,
for Tina on the ceiling, but they had redressed it
to become Johnny Depp's bedroom.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
And they had been.
Speaker 17 (30:28):
Working all night and they had it all ready to go,
and Heather and I walked out to watch it, you know,
and I was still wiping some of my makeup off,
and Heather.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Was in her little pajamas.
Speaker 17 (30:38):
And I remember standing out there and they spun it
the wrong way. And Wes and Jacques Kaiken, our cinematographer,
were inside in these Volkswagen bucket seats with the camera
mounts so they would be upside down while the thing
they erupted and came down so it would look using
gravity to make it look like it exploded. That's how
they did it. They got the idea from the shining anyway,
(31:00):
they spun it the wrong way, and all the blood
came out of the windows of Johnny Depp's bedroom and
out the door of Johnny Depp's bedroom and covered West
and Jacques Heiken and I remember standing with you and
we saw this puddle coming at us and I looked
down and if you know anything about movie sound stages
in Hollywood, they're all cables, electrical cables everywhere, plugged in.
(31:21):
And I said, this doesn't look good.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Us.
Speaker 17 (31:24):
The two of us ran all the way back to
the baker.
Speaker 7 (31:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 17 (31:28):
Yeah, but we didn't get like but that's like, I
really remember that. I remember that, yeah, because I was.
I really thought something terrible was going to happen.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
The next number is seven. That's the total number of
minutes that Freddy was on screen in the first movie Robert,
based on your relationship with wesb seven minutes in Heaven,
seven minutes based on your relationship with Wes Craven. Do
you think that was more by design because he wanted
to keep Freddy mysterious or was it more based on
the budget of the movie.
Speaker 17 (31:55):
No, I'll tell you what I think their true truth was,
and it's because I got act says to this right
at the last minute with the final makeup tests and
wardrobe tests. Both Robert Shay and Wes were petrified about
lighting the makeup. The makeup look great, but they were
(32:15):
worried about the lighting. And what we discovered almost immediately,
because I think I had a scene with Heather pretty quickly,
is that I could not step into the kids lighting.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
They were lit traditionally and attractively.
Speaker 17 (32:32):
If I went in there, I became to my makeup
look too white or too pink, and so we had
to light me. And it was incumbent upon Heather and
Johnny Depp and Amanda Whist and everyone to step into
my lighting and which was more dramatic and darker. And
that's how they solved that. But they were so nervous
(32:54):
about the makeup and what it would look like, and
they hadn't started seeing dailies yet or rushes yet. I
think they just had minimized my screen time because of that,
and there came a probably came a point where they
probably wish they'd a shot more. But there's nothing in
Nightmare One that I shot that's not in the movie,
except maybe a little bit on the ceiling dragging Amanda.
Speaker 16 (33:19):
And also with Ronnie at the end in that burn scene.
I know that. That's yeah, it's pretty short, much shorter
than I think.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
What was shot. Yeah.
Speaker 17 (33:27):
I think I went in there and substituted at the beginning,
and then Tony went in to stunt. My stunt Noble
went in and did the flame stuff. But I know that, yeah,
because I remember being in that room. So I must
have been doing something with Ronnie. I think I you know,
I might have kissed her or pinned her down or
whispered something in her ear and leaned up and then
I combusted, and I think they substituted the stuntman in then.
(33:49):
That was a famous fire stunt at the time. But yeah,
that except for that though, I got all the screen
time that was there. But you know, no small parts,
only small actors.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
The next number is seventy nine. That is the total
number of kills Freddy hess throughout the entire franchise, out
of this movie or out of any movie. What is
each of your favorite kills that Freddy has done?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Heather, what's your favorite?
Speaker 16 (34:10):
I have to say the most unique and disgusting kill
was when he kills brook These in Nightmare four. Who's
the cockroach and she turns into the cockroach. And that
one is funny and disgusting and grotesque, and it's also
one of my best friends getting killed.
Speaker 12 (34:27):
Besides, it's also.
Speaker 17 (34:28):
Very Pafka esque, which really serves the surrealism.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
And the nightmare mayor thing.
Speaker 12 (34:34):
I think I like the boy with the hearing aid
that was brutal.
Speaker 17 (34:38):
Heart in part Yeah, in part six is so politically incorrect.
And I always like Amanda on the ceiling. That's so disorienting.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Yeah, and it's so unexpected to the way it starts
the movie, like you don't see that coming.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
I remember she's.
Speaker 17 (34:52):
The janetly sacrificial lamb.
Speaker 12 (34:54):
Yeah, that's why the lamb's in.
Speaker 17 (34:56):
There in that corridor school corridor.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
Thank you, thank you so much.
Speaker 12 (35:00):
It's wonderful they got a math in that interview there,
I go.
Speaker 18 (35:13):
Cary Line, she's a queen and talking and it was
so she's getting really not afraid to fail episode, so
just let it blow.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
No one can do we quiet carylne it's sound of
care alone.
Speaker 11 (35:32):
Do you feel imposter syndrome? Because you are changing people's
lives and you're delivering messages?
Speaker 15 (35:37):
But I am always like I'm gonna getting messages from people,
but I don't feel like I have a message to
share with people.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
I think we, I think, any of us.
Speaker 18 (35:45):
It's the it's the uh irony of what people like
you and me do where we like we eagerly reach
for a microphone, but deep down, like have that feeling
in moments of like imposter syndrome or like what if
they find out I'm not really that talented or what
you know what I mean? And to your point about wondering,
like do you have a story to tell? Well, it's
(36:06):
funny you say that, because like I've built my whole
platform on not really my story, but encouraging other people
to recognize the power in their story. So like not
to like give you a spiritual answer to your thought.
I really think that like each and every one of
us are created by design, with intentionality of the master
(36:29):
creator and with a purpose. And the Bible talks about
how God created where his handiwork. Another translation says we're
his craftsmanship, which, like I love that word craft because
that's that speaks to the one in a million ness
of each one of us, one in a billion, thiss right,
the fingerprint, the uniqueness of who we are and it
says we were uh that He created us to do
(36:51):
good works which were prepared in advance for us to do.
So that answers your question, Caroline, that your story is
worth telling.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
People want to know, people want to read your book.
Speaker 15 (37:02):
How do you have like when did you first have
conviction for what you're saying? Because I feel like too,
going back to imposter syndrome, like I've realized I can't
speak out to people unless I fully believe and know
for sure that what I am saying is my truth
for me, you know, like I feel it in my bones,
(37:22):
not just have heard it, because I feel like a
lot of times with Christianity, and I would love to
hear your perspective on this. People get information that's just
kind of been passed down and taught to them, but
a lot of times to disconnect is there of they
don't actually have their own personal relationship, And so how
did you get your first conviction of like I have
to speak this because I know this is the truth,
(37:44):
and I know people have to hear this, not just
like I've been told this is the truth and I
don't want to go to hell, so I'm gonna believe it.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
That's a great question, and it's a big part of
my story.
Speaker 18 (37:51):
Like I grew up a preacher's kid, like I was
in the front row of my mom and my dad's
church in the suburbs, the suburbs of Cago my whole life.
And so from an early age, I felt like I
had lots of eyeballs on me and with that like
a lot of pressure, like I remember perfect oh gosh, yeah,
(38:11):
like where it was just like I had to set
the example right. And so what happens, though, is at
a young age you can get way more focused on
like the appearance of it totally right. So I knew
how to I could quote the right Bible versus I
could if I raised my hand during the slow song
in the worship service, like I looked the part right.
Speaker 15 (38:32):
Okay, so you actually subconsciously were playing the part one
hundred percent.
Speaker 18 (38:35):
Well, I even like we had this like Christian version
of Boy Scouts called Royal Rangers.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
This is a very wounding moment in my life.
Speaker 18 (38:42):
But I would I'm not very outdoorsy at all, so
I was already like starting out at a disadvantage. But
the troop leader every Wednesday night we would have this
like boy Scouts thing Royal Rangers it was called, and
he'd be like, Okay, let's start the meeting. Matthew lead
us in prayer. And next Wednesday night, Matthew lead us
(39:02):
in prayer. Next Wednesday night, Matthew.
Speaker 11 (39:04):
Lead us in prayer.
Speaker 18 (39:06):
Favorite well, no, I was the preacher's kid. And finally
one Wednesday night, I was like, how come I have
to pray? And it wasn't because I was against praying.
I just didn't like always being called out with that pressure, right,
And that one Wednesday night, for some reason, I refused
to pray and the troop leader was like trying to
make an He's like, you need to pray because you're
(39:26):
saying an example for the rest of us. I'll never
forget this moment. And I was like, like William Wallace
in Braveheart, I was like, I'm not praying.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
You can't make me.
Speaker 18 (39:35):
And it wasn't again and everything against God. I just
didn't like always being singled out. And I remember getting
like kicked out of Royal Rangers and sent to my
dad's office. Really, but I'll say something like and this
was a moment that led to me finding a faith
that was real to me and not just a family connection.
Was my dad's response to that, because I thought I
was in trouble and my dad was like, you know
(39:58):
he I remember he said, he said multiple times in
my life. He's like, look, when you look for God
and other people, sometimes you're going to find him because
you know God, God shines through his people. But sometimes
you're going to be let down. Sometimes you're going to
be disappointed. And that's why your relationship with God needs
to be between you and him, because other people are
(40:19):
always going to let you down because that's what we do.
Where humans were broken people, there's only one who won't
let you down.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
And so I think growing up I had this.
Speaker 18 (40:26):
There were moments where I was like I saw how
church people acted and I was like, I don't think
I want.
Speaker 15 (40:29):
Anything to do with this, no, because there is like
that's the other problem is there is so much like,
oh I don't like that.
Speaker 18 (40:35):
So you call yourself this, but then you treat my
family this way or whatever, you know, And I just
I really credit my mom and my dad for keeping
like their son's heart like soft and not hardened. But really,
I think for a long time I just was like,
I'm in the family business. I think, you know, if
my faith was more of a familial thing, like a
(40:57):
family business connection. It wasn't until I went to college
for my freshman year of college, like for the first time,
nobody on that campus knew me as.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
The preacher's kid.
Speaker 18 (41:09):
And yet I still find myself like showing up at
church on Sunday morning, no matter what I was doing
Saturday night, and like I remember finding my way to go,
like this needs to be real to me. And so
that that's a big part of my story of like
getting down beneath the surface and not like being so
focused on because that skill can serve you well.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Even now with my.
Speaker 18 (41:31):
Career, like I can act like I've got it all together.
I think that's why I write a lot of songs
about that, Like I love it.
Speaker 11 (41:37):
Hello my name is. That's like one of your biggest.
Speaker 18 (41:39):
Ones ever, Right, Yeah, that was a and that's a
big song about just identity.
Speaker 15 (41:43):
Like around all the things that we're ashamed that we are,
like regret and all the emotions that are embarrassing to
admit talk.
Speaker 18 (41:51):
About a story that like wondering if your story matters.
A lot of my songs are written by people's inspired
by people's stories. So like when you say that song,
I see the face of a guy named Jordan in Kentucky.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Who wrote his story to me.
Speaker 18 (42:05):
And I get people sending me their stories all the time,
and they start by saying, I don't know if God
could ever use my story. And what I love about
that is like I feel like God has shown me
that he's in the junk yard business, Like he takes
the junk yards of our lives and then turns it
in Have you ever seen like people take trash and
turn it into treasure like this crazy artwork or whatever.
(42:25):
I feel like God does that with our stories. And
so that was a guy who was an All American
athlete who got hooked on oxy and drug addiction just
spiraled his life out of control. But he went to
a recovery program, did the hard work, and like years
later he's a basketball coach and teacher and husband and father.
And that he inspired me to write that song Hello
(42:47):
my Name Is because it's all about like I am
not my past. I'm not who the enemy says I was.
I'm not who my little town in Kentucky says I am.
Like I am who God says I am. And that's
all that matters, so talk about every single story is
worth being told.
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Speaker 2 (43:23):
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Speaker 1 (43:24):
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