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April 3, 2024 43 mins

Interview with Wallie the Sensei on The Bootleg Kev Podcast.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What up is Wally? This sin say? Make sure you
check me out on the Bootleg keV podcast. Man, real
fire shit going on.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Yo man, Bootleg CAV podcast. We got a special guest
in here finally, one of my favorite out the city
man Wallely the Sense say the Golden Child is here.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Hey man, say Man, what up? keV?

Speaker 2 (00:27):
What's up?

Speaker 1 (00:28):

Speaker 2 (00:28):
How you doing? Bro?

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Man? I'm good? You feel me? Hey? Shout out to
keV though, because I just came down here. He got
a dope ass studio. I went in there and made
some straight hit records. Y'all gonna hear the motherfuckers. I'm
finna switch it up.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
No, you got it's crazy because you were playing me
even besides the stuff you made the other day, like
you were just playing me, just the stuff that's in
the h that you have just loaded up ready, that's
crazy with everyone in their mom.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got some shit in the vault.
I'm just sitting.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
About that shit for sure.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
That's putting it like that. I'm just sitting back aiming.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
What's crazy too, because like the one thing about you, Bro,
is like it's like I remember the first time I
heard Scandalist. I was like, oh, this shit is different,
like the thing about you know, and this is something
I feel like Greto preaches so much, is like it's
easy to try to box in LA rappers into this
little box. Yeah, and you immediately did such a great

job of just like when I heard Scandaliss. It's just
like I was like, oh shit, this this ain't the same,
this is different.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, facts, man, we hate it. We hate being put
in a box, especially the ones that's really talented, like
like even even me though when I came out, I
had a hard time trying to trying to locate my
specific sound, like all right, where's my foundation? Like people
know that they can come to me for you know
what I'm saying. Shit, that sounded like that. But when

you hear O three Flow or Tarzan, like all my
records sound different, that's for sure. I like that. But
it's like a gift from the curse because you don't
really know what you're gonna.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Get right whenever I drop right and you were playing
me some shit, and like, you know, I feel like
you just got a very like you got a range
of tones that your voice can go in. Where like
you said, like if if if you didn't know it
was you, and maybe you had only heard all three
Flow and maybe you heard another big you wouldn't even
you might not even know it's the same guy.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
I swear to god. Shit crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
But that's I think that's a good thing.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, it's good. Sometimes it's bad for me. I feel
like because I see all these other artists and they
got like a foundation, and it's like, damn, I kind
of want that for myself. But at the same time,
I don't want to be boxed into a specific sound.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
So well, I think you got a foundation though, because
I think when you have, like, you know, records that
are you know, whatever level. You got a couple of
hit records, you know, I feel like that, you know,
whether it's a West Coast hit or whatever, you got
records that I mean, like I booked you at my
club in Scotsdale. That shit was fucking lit.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Oh yeah, yeah, eleven eleven And before you even d Like,
when I would DJ at my spot, I would always
play a three Flow and the whole fucking crowd.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Would just sing it.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Bro, people love that song. It's crazy, like they got
like an emotional connection to that song for sure. And
when I made it I didn't think that like everybody
would be able to relate to it like that.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, it's interesting too because when you made it, Greto
was incarcerated.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeh, he was in opinion.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Did you have any relationship with him prior to him
being incarcerated.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Well, I had reached out to him before he went
to jail. And that's kind of why I always fucked
with Grito, like because I didn't even really have no
songs out and he was still willing to fuck with me.
Like you know what I'm saying. I ain't gonna say
under what circumstances or what price or whatever, but like
you know what I'm saying, he could have just ignored

my DM or he could have just ignored my email,
whatever the case may be. And when he was in jail,
I spoke to him like a couple times over the phone,
and he just used to give a nigga game, like
giving me game about the industry and how I should move.
He didn't need to, yeah, exactly, and he still do though,
Like like anytime me and Grito link up or we
talk like bro, he always dropping gyms on me, like

showing me the way, which you know in this industry,
a lot of people ain't gonna do. You got to
pay the play now, He's one of the realist Like
I like what I like about Grito is he's he
understands his worst and he understands his position, and he
doesn't take it lightly.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
I think a lot of people they get some they
get some motion. Here, let me push this back out here.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, there we go, good looking.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
This fucking Jesus. But I feel like a lot of
people might get some motion. Like obviously, Grido is one
of the most influential rappers to ever come out of Cali,
But I feel like they don't they don't understand like
the weight that they hold. And I feel like Grito's
very intentional with who he fucks with. I feel like

he's a pure, harder dude. And he's also like not
as accessible as everybody else. Yeah, I feel like that's
by design.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
He on his superstar shit for sure.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
But it's smart because you can't just be accessible to everybody,
you know what I mean, Like you have to kind
of understand, like yo, like everything's gonna be kind of intentional,
and I feel like he's done a good job of that.
So I think it's dope that like even without you
having music out and you're getting locked up, and I'm
sure he's hearing about three flow.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah yeah, man, me and Gredo, we got so much
shit we got. We got a whole tape on the way.
I heard him talking about it when he was in
a halfway house in Houston. I flew out there and
we went all night on some ship made some shit
that's gonna fuck l a streets up like even more
parts of the world. But that was really one of

my focus is like, man, we need some of that,
some of that ship that the people love here because
I feel like, you know what I'm saying, we won't
really got that, not.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Right now, one hundred percent. Man. I feel like la
is in need of like some anthems right now. Yeah,
because I think obviously shout to three and no Baby,
so city's going crazy.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
But the shit you was playing me man, listen, Oh yeah,
oh yeah, shout out to three one, no Baby. Man's crazy.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Hey, that young dude, he killing hilarious. He's a good kid.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
I love seeing that nigga. Man, he killing it. But yeah,
the ship I got in the phone, I call it
the vault. The ship I got in the vault, man, Like,
I really plan on just going ahead and taking the
throne here and picking different countries. I'm trying to get
out the country with this ship.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Well you had had a weren't you on a major
for a sec?

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah? I was with Capital, that's right, Capital for like
two years.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah. How was that experience?

Speaker 1 (06:44):
It was cool? I mean I got to learn the
business right, because that was the main thing with me,
Like coming from where I'm from, shit, I never been
up close enough to see how all this shit worked.
Like it's like I know my potential and I know
where I can go, but the actual steps to getting there,
I didn't know what the steps was.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
So that kind of at least was like a nice
dry run for you to be like, you know, I'm
in the game. I can see how this music industry
works a little. You live, you learn fast, and now
you know, now you can apply all the stuff you
learned into the stuff that's in this vault exactly. Yo,
what was it like for you, man? Like, I know

you told me recently, well you just told me before
we were filming that, Like you did make a conscious
decision to be like ten toes down on this music shit.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Oh, yeah, because when I first came in, When I
first was when I first started doing music, I didn't
expect it to go that.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Far, right, you didn't know what you had.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
I really started off making music for myself, like I
liked to I really like listening to my music. I
don't know if other people feel the same, right or
if they're hearing the same shit, But for me, it's
like it's like talking to somebody that everybody need, Like
I can just talk to myself through my songs. So
but once I figured it out that people really loved

it and they really fucked with it, I'm like, oh,
I can probably really do this shit, and I probably.
I went to Detroit. I spent like a year just
in the studio almost every.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Day in Detroit. Yeah, who are you working with out there?

Speaker 1 (08:15):
With the circle? You know? Nick? No, I don't, oh
what niggas is. Basically he responsible for a lot of
the success that come out of Detroit, well Detroit, Drago
and Bino Detroit on like Shada and Skiller and Babyface
Ray and all them niggas they all really under pretty

much one umbrella, so that studio that I was out
there working with them. Oh and the block boys TJ.
I was out there working with them and the stud like,
because they work at a fast pace, like I was
making like four songs a day.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Would you say you work at that pace too?

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Now I do. Yeah, now I work fast as shit.
But that's where it started.

Speaker 2 (08:55):

Speaker 1 (08:55):
I went out there and they all used to be
in the booth at once. It's like fox niggas in
the booth, just back to back rapping and shit, and
I had to pick up on the speed you feel
me or else. I couldn't never get on the song right,
like every time I try to get on the song
to be done. So so yeah, when I got back home,
I start doing like twelve songs a day, twenty songs

a day. I'm like, okay, I got the hang of
this shit, but probably last year, I'm like, damn, Like
I feel like my music is good. I feel like
I'm one of the best, but I gotta get everybody
else to see that, like you know, and like real
life shit always slow down the process. So I'm like,
all right, fuck everything. I know, I got the kids,

I know, I got family, I got people who love me,
but shit, like you feel me, I gotta put everything
to the side. I gotta put the hood to the side,
the streets to the side, and I just got to
work on this.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah. I always feel like if you move a certain
way while also trying to be a superstar, you're always
gonna have some sort of like stress cloud hanging above
your fucking head because you never know what what today
might entail.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, stress cloud distractions. Look, if you out there and
you're trying to chase your dreams, bro, don't think twice.
If you got the right shit in your heart. You
know you love your friends, you know what I'm saying.
You know you love your hood, then you don't gotta
think twice. Chase your dreams first and then come back,
come back.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
And help out. Yet, but the goal isn't to stay
in the hood. Yeah, it shouldn't be the goal.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
That's only the goal for niggas who've never been there, Right,
The only niggas who ain't grow up in the hood
really just glorified just being in that motherfucker. We all
trying to make a way out. Everybody from the hood
trying to get out.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
For sure, Man, what is it about man Compton? Whatever
water y'all got in Compton produce the best rappers.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Bro, we got so much talent.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
It's so crazy.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
It is like, I'm really grateful. I swear I'm blessed
because I'm grateful that I got something that stand out,
because otherwise, Bro, you'll be drowned in that shit.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Just loaded, Bro, so.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Many options, like whatever you looking for musically, sports wise,
all that ship, it's a lot of talent. Talent, for sure,
I can get you hit. We got just out of
my section. We got Mari Ruger, we got ys thirty,
shot copone, we got Hit at J three. You know,
like some of the bigger names. You know, Katok came

from Mars Section two. We got rosecrans hop out, we
got Vicasso, we got Ship, Chef Boy. I don't know
if you ever heard of sad boy Man. You gotta
hear Chef Boy. He crazy, he got he got all
the females going crazy.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah. I just think when I think of Compton, I'm like,
you know, it's just top. I mean, I mentioned Kendrick
obviously game.

Speaker 1 (11:45):

Speaker 2 (11:45):
We got Roddy Asias Thope.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah yeah, Hey, Roddy really one of the best artists
I feel like ever to come out of California. I agree, Yeah,
like I don't feel like they give that dude his
his respect and flowers.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
And it sucks to because with Roddy, I feel like
he was the first case study of the like he
had caught such a wave when his album came out,
and I feel like he was the one artist who
couldn't really that was his first real like superstar moment,
and it happened right at the beginning of COVID. Yeah,

that's what happened to me, you know what I mean,
Like COVID really, like Roddy had a festival run, planned
a bigger tour plan and then COVID just fucked up.
I feel like COVID fucked with a lot of people's momentum.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Bro Covid came in. Bro. I signed a deal during COVID,
so I didn't meet nobody from the label.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
All Zoom calls, everything.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Was on Zoom. That shit was crazy, like for it
to be my first time doing everything.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
So you're dealing with nothing but Zoom. Yeah, and the
record the record of companies were super paranoids and nobody
was coming.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
In yeah yeah, yeah. It was a cap on everything.
It wasn't too much that nobody wanted to bet on
because you know it was our first time ever seeing
it as a whole for sure.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
No, for sure? Man, talk about your what's your writing style?

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Do you write anything or is it all?

Speaker 1 (13:07):
No? I ain't wrote since I got a song called Tarzan.
Y'all make sure y'all check that out. That's one of
the people favors. But I ain't wrote the song since
stars In, So I ain't wrote in like two or three.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Years before that. Like, did you write scandalous on like
the freestyle? That was a freestyle? So what would you
do when you go in and lay down the harmony first,
like the melody and then filling the lyrics.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
It's so unorthodox, bro, Like, I feel like I do
that more now, Like I kind of mumble shit, or
I might even whistle fill it in. Yeah, like I'll whistle.
I'll whistle a whole beat through and then like I'll
make the whistle words are filling in with some words.
But it's so unorthodox the way I'll do it, because
it ain't. No, I really don't have no actual way

to do it. It's no right or wrong.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
There's no like specific formula way you do. Like it
might be different Tuesday than it is Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Yeah, like scandalss. I blurted that out like I was
in the I was in the booth and I just
blurted some ship out and I just kept going.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Hey, it's such a fucking amazing statement. Yeah, but that
people trying to kill me for some shit that was
really good.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
That was going on in my life though. So so
that's the thing. Like a lot of times it just
really be my conscious right and it just comes out. Yeah,
And I choose conscious overbrain. Like if I'm thinking, I
always feel like we might like if we knew the formula,
then we'll all be billionaires. Like nobody really know the formula.
So I'll be trusting my conscience whenever. Whenever some shit

just come out or I feel it, I'll just run
with it. Why the sentine for a few reasons. Ship.
I did do karate a little bit growing up.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Like how far in Like how much karate? Like what
belts brown? That's pretty I mean, what is that a
couple behind black?

Speaker 1 (14:53):

Speaker 2 (14:53):

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah. So so when you start karate first we have
to learn all the bones and ship in the body
from the head to the feet type shit. My Sinsey
was my cousin and he ended up passing away. So
after he passed away, I never did go back to karate.
But just just the style of the word, I mean,

the people that are sence is in the world like
it's supposed to be like a teacher. In my eyes,
I look at it like as somebody that's that's kind
of humble, but still know a little bit could probably
kick your ass, but they'll spare you, you know what
I'm saying, like wisdom. If you know who Resa Islam is?
Do you know who that is? Resa Islam? They always

be taking this Instagram down, but he like next up
under Fara Khan and he'd be on Instagram like just
kicking jewels about the world and political shit. But but
when I was younger, he famous the shit now. But
when I was younger, I used to run into him
all the time, like just when I used to be
running the streets, and he used to like just grab

me and be like, you know, you're finna come with me.
He'd take me to his He had like a compound
like where they have kids read, you know, like you
could probably learn self defense all types of shit, not
even just like not even just on a Muslim level,
but just like just really just enlightening young people.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
I could tell he looked at me like I was
quite mischievous or whatever, but he's seen something else in me.
So I kind of stuck with the shit that he
used to teach me, the shit that my cousin used
to teach me, and just the shit that I naturally
The ways that I naturally was.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Because you seem like a pretty like reserved out the
way dude for being like one of the hottest dudes
in the city. Like I feel like you're You're not
like I never ever see you like being reckless online,
like you're pretty chilling.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Hell off, bro. If it was up to me, I
would never get on Instagram. I do not fuck with
social media. Bro. Social media is crazy.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
It is Bro.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
You open your phone and you look at this shit
and you just see a billion people trying to say
the worst thing that could possibly say to anybody, just
trying to get attention to people that they don't know.
And then the ship that that people do for the cloud,
like like like where I'm from is like a real place,
like like in my hood and bomping. It's it's weird

seeing some of these people that I might have knew
my whole life, and I see them.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Like stepping out of character for likes.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
For the Internet. So it's like, damn, that shit.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Is scared not a real place, bro, it's scared of
ship out of me.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
I hate it, And I already know that like you
could be you could be the most talented person in
the world, Bro, Michael Jackson, get clanned on the Internet, everybody.
You feel what I'm saying. So I know one day
I might slip it far down the stairs and y'all
gonna y'all gonna flame me for it. You're gonna be
a mean ice offering. I don't fuck with the Internet, man.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, I feel like, uh, you know, it's it's it's
it's it's a tool to use for your fans. It's
a tool to use for the music. But like a
lot of people get tied up with their quote unquote internet,
like who they are online and who they are in
real life, and then they try to somehow like you,

Like you said, you'll know somebody their entire life, and
if they get a little traction online somehow, they become
like like, yo, why are you a weirdo?

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Now? Yeah, they'll run with it and I hate that shit. Yeah,
I hate it. Crazy, I hate it. Shout out to Instagram.
I love what y'all doing with the app, but it's
the people that I'm talking about, the people using the
fucking app, right, we could be using it in a
lot of positive ways, like because bro, the internet is
a blessing.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
You can spread information like bro, like pove.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Even in music if you think about it, like people
used to have to put a million dollar budgets down
for videos.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
You would have had to have taken a demo tape
to someone say Yo, check this out, and they gotta
play it, and then they gotta play it, they gotta
like it, they gotta call you back.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
No, Now, you.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Could just go straight to the people. Then they'll tell everybody.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
You sell anything you could do. But what we choose
to do with it is crazy.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
It's wild, bro Like, it's like the best, the best
and worst thing that ever happen to society.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Facts for sure.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Why talk to me about your situation because you know,
like you said, like you got a ton of music,
you're sitting on some big records, Like what is holding
you back from dropping more music?

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Since December? I've been I was dropping like a single
every week, and I just finally slowed down so I
can kind of calculate my next few steps. But just
being independent, it's not like it's easier. It's a faster
process because I don't got to get the records clear
at the same and shit right, but at the same time, financially,
you know what I'm saying, Everything falls on you. Yeah,

certain shit, you got to be able to back certain
records up. So the ones that I really care about,
I ain't just throwing them out. You just want to
throw out and see what happens. You want to make sure,
you have a plan, you want to make sure. But
the ones that I feel like is just good for
the people and just to hold the wust to keep
keep shit flying.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Hell yeah yeah, Like, like how many records you and
Greedo have on the project, because.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
We got at least we probably got like ten to twelve. Yeah, man,
we got some ship too, some dope ass songs. I
gotta play something we get out of here.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
For sure. I heard some ship. I want to say,
who's on these records? But you got some records, you
got some big records.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Oh yeah, I got some ship right now. I got
some ship with I got some shit with dope boy
g herbal Wych be Fast just came out yesterday.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Another another talented.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, he just came to the hill yesterday. We went
to the studio.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
You blamed me a song with another guy who's from
LA who also was a little reserved online. But it's
also great with melodies.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Oh yeah, I got some ship. The one I got
one with Todd Dollars Signing Blast.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yes, that's the one. I'm talking about, the Tyn sign
Blast Records. Fucking crazy shit so far A shout out
to Todd. Shout out the Blast because they sent them
verses back and I was bro I felt like that.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Was what we needed right now for sure. And the
Tie tie on there. It sounds like some because I'm
a I'm a big Tie fan, you feel so all
his old work is really some ship that that kind
of help, you know, because I do harmonies and short
and I'll be singing. So that's somebody I always look to,
you know what I'm saying to not be kind of
him and Grito Greto Tie and no bullshit R Kelly,

R Kelly to go man aside from the from the
other ship, I say it all the time music, Kelly
is still listen.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
You have to separate, separate the person from the art,
otherwise we ain't going to ever enjoy ship because as
you can see, what the fuck's been going on lately
is a lot of our heroes it's caught up in
some allegations and it's like, well, does that mean I
can't enjoy their contributions because R Kelly is, in my opinion,

the best songwriter ever and he's the in my opinion,
the King R and B.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Love Happy People, brow he the ship just twelve play
the R album, but the double album is my ship,
like R Kelly the self titled album You remind me
all that, Like R Kelly is.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Like still to this day, like one of my favorite artists.
Now I'm speaking from his creative contributions, like I can
look the other way on the other ship. Yeah it's
all good. Like I ain't kicking it with.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Him, Yeah, I mean, I ain't no judge. I can't
convict him and nothing.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
He got convicted though, but if it was up to.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Us, we couldn't even right right right, You can enjoy
the art, but the music, Bro and then Tye really
like looking at tire work was kind of like like, Okay, damn,
if I want to be real big, can I still
be myself? Like Grido and Tie. I feel like those
two people musically they really bring like they put the

inside onto the track. Like when you first reach out
to Tire, did he reach out to you? How that worked?

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Because he's tapped in a lot with the with the
new we got.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
More records, that's good as hell. Yeah, hell yeah, we
got some dope records. We probably our first session we
did was probably last year at the beginning of the
last year guy, and we got some dope records. Like
I put up on him one another time and did
some dope ship. He had juicy j in there. Of

course I done put up. I don't know. I just
fucking met Eminem what doctor Dre and Snoop. I went
to dre house for a day and I got to
sit in the session and watch them work.

Speaker 2 (23:29):

Speaker 1 (23:29):
That was the bro. That was the dopest shit I've
ever seen.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
You got to rewind you get invited to go to
doctor Dre's house. Yeah, and Eminem and Snooper there, bro.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
And then look, look put your hand out when I
when I met him, he like Marshall I'm like, bro,
I know who you is. You one of the one
of the best rappers ever. But Bro, now I understand
why they called Dre Doctor Dre like the ship that
he do in the studio, Like he really doctor them songs.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah, they say he's like super particular.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Every line, Bro. And then like it gets deep, Bro,
he wanted the coldest. He might be the coldest to
do it.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Like I mean, if you think about production, if you
think about just what he has had his fingerprints on,
even just the Doctor Dre tree, you just like take
his tree and you just start looking at everything that
came from it.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah. And then were from the same neighborhood too as well.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
And I didn't even know that at first until we
got to sit down and chop it. How did you
get the invite because one of my homies, my homie Money,
they related to Dre. And you know, since I got
shit buzzing, I've been having a city rocking for sure
for a few years now. So he so he like, man,

I gotta get you over there. Him and Jay West
put it together, and shit, I linked up with him
one day and we went over there. I fell asleep.
Dre house so comfortable, bro, I fell asleep for like hour.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
That's crazy. So you get in the studio, it's like
Dre be like, hey, what's up. You'd be like, hey,
we're from the same area. Man, Like he a.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Real dope dude, bro, Like like did he have Air
Force ones on? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, all white, all white always. He's got like a
thousand pairs.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Of And you would think that, uh, like you know
some of these people because they're a little older than us.
But he hit like he's still in tune of what's
going on. He's serious about the music though. So if
you playing with his music ship, yeah, if you ain't ready,
then don't even don't they don't even introduce yourself to
Drey because he ain't gonna fuck with it. If if

if you're serious and you got some ship going on,
then I feel like I feel like he's supported.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
What was that? What? What did it?

Speaker 1 (25:42):

Speaker 2 (25:42):
How dope? Was the ship that Snoop, Dre and m
were working on.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
But that shit was cold. They was working on like
the last couple of songs of an album. I don't
know if it was a Snoop album, but but Dre
he really real, particular with these bars and Ship. I
don't know if you've seen when he got his star.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
I saw that like last week.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, you seen when Snoop gave the speech and he
didn't watch the speech, but he gave the speech and
he rapped and he was like you still make me
do every line a thousand monthucking times. He wasn't capping.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
So that was because because your session was what a
few weeks ago you said.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
No, when I went over there, that was that was
probably like six months ago.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
That shit's crazy.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah, Snoop broke.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Snoopy got awards everywhere. I mean he got them all.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Diamond Awards, Grammys, all that ship. So just seeing it, Bro,
I had to see that.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Snoop's the coolest motherfucker ever too.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yeah, Snoop cool.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Snoops the kind of guy you meet and he doesn't
disappoint like you know how, Like you meet some famous
fools that like you grew up, like you grew up
listening to, and then you thought, Snoops exactly who you
hope you.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Getting exactly what you thought meeting Snoop bro Snoop a
fucking legend, all them dudes, legends, Snoop m dre Ship.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
I'm grateful to even be in that session. That's hopefully
one day I can be like, did you cut any
vocals with him? Nah? They was working the whole You
were just observing.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, yeah, I was just observing, fly on the wall,
watching how they're working. So I can learn how to
apply it to myself and then I know when I'm ready,
it'll happen. You know what I'm saying. But I met,
I met me. Being there led me to meeting the.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Dopest producer in the fucking world. His name is Dem Joints. Oh,
he's hard bro, THEMN Joints. He made the tie in
Blast record. He's hard bro.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
He cold using live instruments. It ain't nothing that dude
can't do.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Like now, Damn Joints is a real wild child for sure.
So you right now you're are you looking for a
new situation to put out Like this time? Blast record
is a fucking smash. It's not the type of record
you just drop and hope for the best. Yeah, you
gotta have ducks in a row.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
You gotta do it right. Yeah, shit, we got some
shit in the works. I am open to new conversations though.
Anybody who feel like they can give the record the
potential that I need.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Have any other artists try to sign you, artists like
you know there's artists with imprints. Is anybody try to
be like, yo, come over.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Here, you know, shout out to shout out to my
bro Zona man in Future I did go do it
like a session with with Free Bands. I ended up
just becoming family, Like that's my that's my Southern family
and Midwest family.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah, Future more pre band, I think. Yeah, Joe Moses
was over there with you.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
He sucked with Future Heavy, but yeah, so far, that's
like the only person that I that I really like
lashed onto.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Would you do another major label thing or did you
kind of experience that.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
I want five ms? At least five ms.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
That's a serious bag.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
If it ain't five ms, then probably not.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Then you're gonna just kind of do do it.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
You shoot my shot because you heard what I got.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
I heard what you got.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
I'm good right now as long as I can just
keep doing it the way I love to do it. Shit,
I'm not tripping. I mean, I feel like I feel
like what I bring to the world musically is deeper
than just you know, money or or whatever deal I
can get. I Actually I feel good about what I
give people to listen to.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
I know you're super tight with Buddy, who is another
guy I just ran in him at a Rolling Loud.
But he's another guy that is just a prolific MC.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah. One of the dope is my twin. Shout out
to Buddy. He just had an album released like two
days ago.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
I went, yeah, I saw, I think he's got a
show tonight. Actually real, were I think it's tonight?

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yeah? I gotta pull up man, I gotta pull up
on Bro.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
But I was gonna say, like, is there any other
artists in LA that you know outside of Grido that
you can see yourself collaborating with on a full project?

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Yeah? Yeah, my bro, Kayln for real, chat to Kayleem.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
That'd be crazy.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah. I think me and Caaitlen have a good album.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
There's something about San Diego that loves both of you guys.
If you guys do a fun can join the album,
do the release party in San Diego, because every bad
bitch in San Diego will.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Go San Diego with y'all.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Then my hot spots right there. But me and Kaylan,
I would love to do one with Blash. I feel
like I feel like that would be good to for
the ladies and for the for the streets. Kaylen Blast
of course Beano, um who else? I would from here

or from anywhere, from anywhere. Oh, ship, it's a lot.
It's a lot. Like I would love to do a
mixed table Mazi on BPS, me and Mazie and on BPS.
Just dropped the single, probably like five the single out.
It's called I'm Good. We just dropped the single. But
it's a lot of niggas. I got a homie in

Saint Louis. His name MB's bro. He hardest ship. Nobody
really know about him yet. And Louis is bubbling man, Alexis,
Alexis bro me and Alexis gonna fuck the world up.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Shout out to Alexis Man.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
We're trying to fill up arenas.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, I got some. I heard this ship you guys
cut the other day. The shit's crazy, Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Stupid Geperico, Geperico making the whole tape. I got a
tape with Jakai, my bro, Jakai, he out the village.
I think he just signed with Little Bibby or Ting
not k K. Plus, I don't know all these fucking
random companies these days something like that. But he he
fucking with little Bibby Jakai cold. He wanted a cold now.

Bibby going crazy though, was an executive for sure. Travis Scott,
I would want to do it. You and Roddy would
be tough. That'd be so hard, bro, Bro, that'd be
so hard. And then and then Roddy another person that
I always looked to as well musically, like because or
like what I was doing when I was listening to

his music, like before I started doing music. A lot
of ship that he rapped about was ship that I
was just my every day life, like the age is
so our age is so close. Like a lot of
other artists, I couldn't relate to the same, but since
were so close in age, it was like, you know
what I'm saying, Like this my shit right here for you.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Was there a catalyst that, you know, I feel like
everybody you know we talked earlier, you kind of had
made the decision to go all in on the music.
But was there something that happened that like kind of
made you realize, like, damn, I might be able to
I might lose this shit if I don't take it serious.
For real.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah shit, all my closest friends was like, really my grandma,
My grandma passed away. My bro neverless swavy Earl Swavy
tiny West, Like I lost some real key factors, like
people that I was really doing this shit for. So

at some point I started feeling like damn, like everybody
I was doing this shit for it's kind of gone.
So it's really like I felt like just crashing out.
You feel me. But like my big bro j West,
he used to always tell me, like, nig you need
to go home, you need to sit in the house,
like go deal with your emotions, like you know what
I'm saying, Like stop just trying to run around and

like you know what I'm saying, you mixing too much
bullshit with what you what you got going on your
head positively, So like big bro, he really influenced me
to get to know myself and to just deal with
all the ship that because Bro, growing up, you might
deal with a lot of shit but not actually deal
with it you think you deal with You might go
through a lot of.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Ship, bro, just because you pick up a bottle.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Yeah, and then you always got friends, you always got family,
you always got people around you. But sometimes you might
need to sit by yourself.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
And just face it.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
It ain't no time limit on that. Like, it ain't
like I stayed in the house for one day right now,
you know what I'm saying, Like, Nah, sit in the
house and really get to know yourself, or go somewhere
where you isolate it and really figure out what's been
going on in your head and what you really care about.
Because ship all almost gave up, bro, I really almost
gave up on this ship. And then I had like
a switch. I'm like, nah, like what the fuck, I'm

way too close.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
What year was that you almost gave up?

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Last year?

Speaker 2 (34:10):

Speaker 1 (34:10):
I was like I was feeling like that from the
beginning of my career, bro, Like.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
So like from the beginning, even though you had all
this momentum yet all these bro.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
I had momentum, but I had so much bullshit going
on in my life. We didn't even know about, bro,
Like my personal life was just fucked up and it
was affecting how I was like rubbing off on people
even when I meet them, Like I didn't really care
to meet rappers or like I didn't really want to.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Business the way you were proaching music too.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yeah, because you know what I'm saying, We all got
our personal shit, and I was I was looking at
myself like nobody else could feel how I feel, like
dumb ass shit, like we all we all lost somebody,
we all going through shit, Like I was looking at
it the complete wrong way, and I had to self evaluate.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
And then like if you're going through all of that
and you don't deal with it, the other problem is
had to treat everything else in your life like it's
a job, so the rap shit becomes something you have
to do, not something you want to do.

Speaker 1 (35:06):

Speaker 2 (35:06):
You're so preoccupied with your trauma or your heartbreak or
whatever you're going through that when you have to go
to the studio it's a chore because you would rather
go be on the phone and deal with whatever you're
dealing with or go you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Like facts for sure, and then neverless Suavey my bro
that passed away. He the one who showed me how
to use distro kid. He knew the business well, like
I didn't know none of this shit right, So so
losing him it was kind of like, ah fuck, Like
he's kind of the reason why I know, Yeah, having
somebody you could trust, Like, it ain't too many people
you can trust in this business. Sure, so having Greto

is kind of similar because like, Okay, Greeto, he always
giving me the game for sure, you feel me. But
before Greto, he wasn't home. So me losing nibs. By
the way, that's if you ever hear my son silly rabbit.
He the person on the second verse got it. But
but yeah, having him, it was like losing him was
like them. I don't don't even know if I could

find another person that I could trust, because he was
gonna give it to me. You know what I'm saying,
give me the business raw Like naw, you don't need him,
You don't need them. You don't need to do this,
like you know what I'm saying, because you can go
through a lot of loops, spending your money wrong, all
types of shit.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
And then also like keeping the wrong people around you.
It's energy is a real thing, man, you hell yeah,
So if you don't even realize, like damn, I got
I got this cruel people around me or the a few,
maybe it's one person around you that you don't even
realize is just adding to the the energy of the room.
Every time or your life. You're like yo, Like people

don't realize, like you got to make sure you got
to keep your energy tight bro like and protect it
because otherwise it could fuck up. They could fuck up everything.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
No facts.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
I think about Leonardo Wick shit like that situation where
he one of his homies fucked up some kid who's
coming up to him. Oh, I've seen that, and I'm like, man, like,
I seen that and the homie who did it, it wasn't
even a security guard, it was just one of It
was just one of his people.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Nah, it just took off on this little kid that
ain't even funny. But but I could have swore I
thought that was a security.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Though his security was was standing. It was the bigger dude.
And when I saw that, I was like, damn that
port like shot to Nardo. I met him. He's a
good dude, nice nice guy, but like, all it took
was him having the wrong dude that was just looking
take off on somebody.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Niggas. No look, look, my cousin told me, shout out
the big Adobe. He told me a few months ago, like, bro,
you do not need an entourage, like as.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Long as you are, as long as you know what, like,
as long as you're not moving around in spaces where
you know, like steady funk out of it out the way.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
But when you bro like it's like niggas be scared
to look like what they are. If you're a superstar
or if you're really doing his music, shit, it's not
wrong for you to have security. For sure, come out
of your pocket, pay for some security. Someone's amaking trust.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
It's smart.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
And I forgot a couple of people too, Shorty Shorty,
that's my dog right, A fucking mixtape with Shorty would
be that'll be.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
It's so crazy how he's from Baltimore, but he's such
a fucking West Coast artist. Love him on the West Coast.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Yeah, he he kind of changed the game for real.
Him and Kamaya shot to Kamaia Kamaya, Shorty, Shorty and
Kamaya them.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Sounds like that Buary is like a fucking that's a
West Coast classic.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
That was some ship that we needed for sure. But
Big Dobe was telling me, like, bro, you don't need
all these motherfuckers around you because I love having my
homies around me, like like having this ship as something
to share. That was always idealistic to me, like, like,
this shit ain't just for me I personally, Bro, I
could have a basketball, a skateboard, some chili, cheese fries,

and a bitch or too. I'll probably never look. You're
a good skater, yeah, Bro, I do everything, So.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
You could like actually get down on the skateboard. Yeah,
I can.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Who play football? Our quarterback, baseball skateboard.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
There's some good rappers out there.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
And I'm like probably the best bowler in the industry
for real. Anybody who needs that, man, get at me.
I'm taking all bowling.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Do you ever go to the Kingpin Monday? Shit?

Speaker 1 (39:14):
No? Okay, but I bowled twice a week.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Though, twice a week, so you're really legit a bowler.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Yeah. Me and Savvy Third. Me and Savy Third actually
planning on doing a bowling event and that's fire and
bringing people out so we could take some bowling face.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Wiz is a good bowler.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Oh shout out to Wiz. I fuck with dude too.
I don't think nobody can fuck with me on this
bowling ship though. I'm calling you out. I'm calling you out, Savvy,
I'm calling you out. Who else said they can bowl?
What's what's the hommy name that made he had that
hot song? Uh, blessed the bottle.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Oh, bless the bottle? Whose song was that?

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Damn? Forget me because I know your you know, I
know your name, Broro. I'm just tripping right now. But
he cold. But I'm calling him out to anybody who
wanted in this bowling ship YG Nelly, I just was in.
I was in Saint Louis bowling with Nelly in them
a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
That's a bottle radio base in Cali radio base.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
He cold with the bowling ship. But I'm calling you out, bro, Nelly,
Wizz savvy radio, YG Ship Mustard, all.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Y'all niggas bowl ot.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
That's my big bro right there. I need that bowling fade.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
When he's not breaking people's shoulders. In San Diego, you
know I was out there right everybody from LA was
out there.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
We had the festival. Yeah, yeah, shout out the chef
Man chef Fest. That shit went up. Yeah. No.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
I was at the club with Wiz and I left.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
That's where they was at trying to get in.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
I was at I was at park with Wiz and
then left and then I got to the hotel. I
woke up at like maybe five six in the morning whatever,
and I saw that ship on my fucking profile page
or whatever. I was like, what the win did this happen?

Speaker 1 (41:02):
I was there? Yeah, what the fuck? See, I was
going over there, but Shorty Shorty had some ship. He
was at the OWL, so I had stopped there first. Yeah,
and by the time I left from where Shorty shit
was at, that ship had already happened. Shout out to a.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
D Man, Shout to ad mana ad.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Shout out to t Real, Shout out to uh ship,
all the homies that all the homies that's doing their
podcast shit killing because them niggas be looking all y'all
be looking out for me.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
For sure. There was a great guys ad is a
great guy man shot at him and pun and out
in ot. I had them come to my pizza shop
opening and I just told the ad I'm like, yo,
keep your fucking shirt on the night.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Yeah. So you know, like a lot of these dudes
I knew like before I did music, feel me so
now that I'm doing something positive, it's like a full
circle moment. Like that's tho dub like bro love dub
Man Bro, that's though tatted my whole chest when I
was eighteen. Really yeah, yeah, that's tho. He was the
man with the tattoo gun.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
No, I know he did tattoos. So he gave you
he blast, did you in your eighteen.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Last of my chest? When I was eighteen, a D brother, I,
me and a D brother fit. We was actually real
close before he ended up going to jail. He got
out there, he doing like gospel rapping shit. He dope.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
That's dope man.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
But yeah, so it'd be like full circle moments that
I that I love, Like I met Joe Moses at
a D brother house probably when I was like fourteen.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Fucking crazy when you were a kid, you met Joe Moses.
Yeah yeah, you know they always talk about how like
Joe Moses and Ad like they've known each other since
like AD was a fucking kid essentially.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yeah, no, that's fact.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
So that's dope man. Shout to Joe.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Like all the people that you see me fucking with
most of the time, I knew them like savvy third
Like me and Bro stayed like next door to each
other basically when I stayed in the Lone Beach. So
it's like all this shit is just it's like I
didn't know what I was doing when I was just
running the streets, but it all ended up making a sense,
making sense.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Full circle moments.

Speaker 1 (42:54):

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yeah, well look, you got a ton of music on
the way. Like you said, you just drop a Mazi.
Who else was on the record?

Speaker 1 (43:01):
You say, Mazi on BPS on BPZ. That's right, yep.
I got one that's out with them joints. It's called Bondage.
I got Frider Days out, Guidance out, I got I
swear out, I got a I got a song called
uc that's really like the new Summer anthem right now.
You gotta check that shit out.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
And tons of music on the way with some of
the biggest artists on the planet. Fact big records coming. Man,
appreciate you pulling up. We're gonna do a little freestyle
to so to be able to check that out. Man, Wally,
the Sans appreciate you, brother. Let's get it, yes, sir,
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