June 23, 2024 • 23 mins
Interview with LL Cool J on The Bootleg Kev Podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
You know, Blutleg Cavs Show special guests, one of the
greatest of all time.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
In fact, the guy who the reason why.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
We use the word ghats is because of this guy.
Just dropped a new record that is insane too, man Ello,
cool Jay, thank you for your time, brother.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Bootleg cav what's up, Betty? Happy to be in man, Yo.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
You're the first rapper in my entire life that I
ever met. I was fourteen in Arizona at a jewelry store.
I had a triple Excel aver X jacket on Indiana
Pacers Jermaine O'Neil Jersey, and I got a picture with
you at a jewelry store in Arizona and it was
like the best moment of my life up until you know,
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fourteen years old.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
You know, so, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
That's crazy, man. Well, you know it's funny that life
comes full circle, right for sure. Man in the face
with a pile something. You know, Hey, at least it
worked out good vibes.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Hey, this new record is crazy, and I like it because,
you know, I feel like this is when I've heard
a new LU record was coming.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I was like, okay, the probably said, you know something
for the ladies.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Now you came with some real hip hop shit like
kicking off this this whole rollout. Man, explain to me
just why you're going this direction right away? Obviously you're
one of the greatest of all time. The beat is
so crazy, it's so it's such a boomback beat. You
got Ross and Fat Joe talking greasy on there, like like,
why why are you coming this way right now?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yo?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I was inspired by you know what I'm saying, like
inspired by the vibe, like the whole idea, like listen,
if you want to survive in this world. It's like,
first of all, it all started like really just kind
of during the pandemic.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I ran around with a mask on and you know,
with a hoodie on.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
And I was on the subway, and I was in
the projects, and I was in all the places that
you probably wouldn't think a quote unquote celebrity or artists
would be. And I was by myself and I was
moving around. I was incognito. I was anonymous in the
disguise nobody really knew. Nobody knew me at all.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
And what I.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Realizes that one of the things you forget about when
you out here in this world even if you just
someone with a good job, like just even if you're
just an everyday working person with a really good.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Job, you forget what's going on in the world.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
You forget about the danger that some people face on
a day to day basis, You forget about some of
the hardships.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
You forget.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
And one of the things I realize is that you
know what, let me impart some of them tools, because
part of surviving in this life.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
You know, whether whether it's in the street, whether it's you.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Know, at some academy somewhere, whether it's you know, you're
trying to pass the ball on whatever level you look
at it, keeping your word and paying people back is
a key to surviving in life.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
It is a key.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
It's called integrity. I'm not talking about moral judgment being perfect.
I ain't say that, but keeping your word, meaning what
you say, saying what you mean is important. And so
that's what this song, why this song was so important
to me. So when I wrote it, I said, you know,
me and Tip were talking. I was like, you know
what the sonics of this meant?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Man? It was just I think Ross and Joe would
sound crazy on me.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Did Q Tip do the beat?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
He q Tip executive produced my whole album.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Oh shit, yeah yeah yeah, So it's it's it's just
this whole project. The force is I think innovative because
like what I wanted to do, Like my thing is
that we're in a genre and you grew up in it,
so you know what I'm talking about. We're in a
genre where we used to people having a certain amount
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of time, a certain type of run, and then they're
done and they step away and that's it, and anything
after that is mediocrity.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
But there's one key point when they rocking on.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Top of the game, and then everything else is kind
of andep I believe personally that's just because the genre
is young.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Now, people say.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Fifty years of hip hop and certain generations, that sounds ancient,
but if you say somebody transitioned at fifty, you would
realize how.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Young it is for a genre.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
So it's like, yo, you know what, let me lead
by example, let me show people that just like when
James Cameron puts out a new Avatar, when they put
out a new Lord of the Rings, when a new
ll COOJ album comes, it should be an event. It
should be innovative, it should be groundbreaking. It should create
a different type of energy. It should not be following.
It should be special and unique and something that only
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I could do. And that was the that's the goal.
So this was just the beginning, you know what I'm saying.
There's a lot more where that came from, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yo, shout out to Joe Ann Ross on the record
you have stolen the show as a feature artist quite
a few times, obviously, Rampage EPMD. My favorite probably Serial
Killers on the Blackout album with Methan Red. Whould somebody
who you've gotten a guest verse from where you were like, damn,
they might have got me on this one?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Well, you know, you know that's a very interesting Well
it depends on I'm gonna tell you man, and this
is the like, it really depends on the type of
song it is. Right, If it's a song where I'm
really trying to go there, I've never.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Felt that, You've never felt that way? No, that's fair
now now.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Now if it's a song that's like more of a
like a party thing and I'm like doing my thing.
But then niggid, But yes, I felt that before, like
I felt like like I loved, like I felt very
comfortable in my verse. But I loved with Biggie and
Busta did on Flavor in Your Ear the remix, Like
I thought what they did was great. I felt good
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about mine too because it was so quirky, and yeah,
I love what I did. It was quirky, shit, lookit,
it was cool. But I loved what you know, Biggie
and Busta did on that song. I thought they killed it.
So yeah, and even on my new album, I have
a song where I think somebody did something really really cool,
but I actually I love that, Like I look at
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that as like that's what it's about, Like it's you know,
it's just like it's just like basketball, man, Like you know,
you're not going to go to the championship every year, right,
But that don't mean you can't play ball. Lebron I
may not be in the finals this year, but that
boy could play ball. We're not gonna say he can't
play ball just because he hit the finals this year.
So with the projects, I look at it the same way.
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It's like I might do one, Okay, I do one.
It didn't I didn't lock in all the way or
didn't touch Okay, cool, but that don't mean that it
ain't gonna.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Be like like you just gonna blow me out the job.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I heard this one and I said, it felt like
a like a hit in the throat to remind people
like which I'm ll cool J, but you.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Know what it really like.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
I think that happens more organically when you're trying to
have fun as opposed to when you trying to hit
people in the throat. I wasn't trying to do that.
What I was trying to do is make some dope shit.
What I was trying to do is put something together
that people could feel, that they could vibe to, that
was relatable, that came from the soul and came from
the heart. Because all of my best music I wrote
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it from the heart. I didn't you know. I may
have been anger, I may have had different fuel. I
may have feeling horny or whatever the feeling was, but
whatever it was, it came from the heart. It didn't
come from like a contry try a place even like
you mentioned rampage like that was from the heart. Like
you know what I'm saying, Like, so you know, Saturday
Night Special, Baby, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Hey, I want to talk about longevity because when we
think of like hip hop longevity, there's nobody. There's not
a person that has more longevity than you, like I
can't you know, like shots of Run DMC and Grandmaster Flash,
but they're not making music no more.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
You know what I'm saying, And obviously rect in peace
to jam Master J.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
But the longevity, there is a whole other level of
longevity that we're inside of when it comes to you
and your career and the errors of your career.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
And the tree that you you know.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Where it's acting or executive producing, the radio station, the festival.
Now is who's an artist that you are just a
fan of that's you know, of the newer generation that
you can see kind of being around for years to come,
like yourself.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Oh, man, I think it's a lot of them. I
think that I think that Kendrick and can have a
long run. I think Drake can have a really long run.
And I think there's a lot of them. I think
Future can have a long run. I think because he's
a great writer. I think, you know, that really comes
down to a lot of different things. Man, there's a
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lot of things that come into play with that. It's
not just look, first of all, you gotta love it
and you got to care about it. And you know,
if you're only doing it just for money, even if
you happen to catch the big check, that won't be
enough for you to keep going to distance because you'll
get lazy.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, so you have to love.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
It, and you're not always going to be on top,
so the money's not always gonna be there. So you
got to put up shots just because you like putting
up shots, like you like, not.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
True too well, you know that, I know what you're
trying to say. And yes, you know, there's a certain
amount of money. When you make a certain amount of money,
you're good regardless. Like, so it doesn't really become about
that per se. It's not about like a salary. But
it's more about like if you get comfortable, you know
what I'm saying, Like, it's about being creatively comfortable as
a poet, to be willing.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
To take some chances, take some risks, you know, you know, like.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
And also there is the fear factor associated with art, right,
like I could be like yo, I could have just
been afraid to make new music just because I think
the world changed, and just let that idea of the
world changing intimidate me in the thinking that I have
nothing to offer as an artist. But that's not true.
That's something those of fabrications we create in our mind.
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You have taste. If you pay attention, you you have taste.
If you pay attention, you know what you want to play,
you know what you want to spend, you know what
you want to listen to, you know what the topics
you want to discuss.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Like, so, we all have a point of view.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
It's just you have to be confident enough and open
enough to be vulnerable. Remember, like and sports is a
good metaphor because that most people can relate to it.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
The greatest athletes in the world are the most vulnerable.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Why because in order to take the game winning shot,
you have to risk missing it and the whole world's.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Watching in order to in order for you know, to shoot.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
That that that that that shot from the.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Tunnel, Like, yeah, you gotta know what comes with missing it.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Yet exactly so that as as an artist, when you're
creating music and all that, it's the same idea. It's like, yo,
you know what I'm saying. People could love it, people
get you gotta love it, So you gotta have confidence
in that so me, I just love what I did.
I promised people I was doing an album for the culture.
I told people you have I have two types of
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albums that I made. I make albums sometimes for me.
Typically those albums are not commercial and only a very
small handful of people really appreciate them, and most people don't.
Then I have other albums that I create where I
do an album that's really for the culture, where I'm
really locked in and paying attention to the culture, and
I do those for them. This is one of my
cultural albums, So that's why it has that different feel
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to it. Now that being said, there are two audiences.
There's a don't call it a comeback audience who been
knowing me from day one. Is that he raps audience
who are going to be surprised by this, like this
new artist who who.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Is a celebrity.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
They know it's a celebrity, but may not necessarily know
him as a rapper. And so you have to get
something that you could press play on that both of
those audiences love, at least your version of what you
believe they'll love.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yo, So when I was a little kid, I scoured
every Wharehouse in Phoenix, Arizona to find the deluxe edition
of DMX's It's Dark.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
And Hell Is Hot.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Now, why would I want to find the deluxe edition
that came with an extra disc?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
What song was? Do you remember the song that was
on the extra disc? No, it was the Ripper strikes Back.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
That's right. It was the Ripper strikes Back. Damn, that's right.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
And the CD looked just like DMX's album. And so
I had, like, bro, when I tell you like that,
I know that entire song by heart, Like, uh, obviously
you've been a part of legendary hip hop battles. I
just got to know, just from a fans perspective, what
do you think about this? You mentioned Kendrick and Drake earlier.
You just you know, I mean, I think it's good
for hip hop. What are your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
About thought it was great for hip hop? I thought
it was great. Yeah, I thought it was great for
hip hop. I thought it was the right thing. I
thought they both did well. They held their own I
thought Kendrick one, but I thought that Drake by no
means did he embarrass himself or have anything to hold
his hand.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
He showed up, he showed up.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
He definitely showed up. He did his thing.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
He showed up, and I think his fans can feel
comfortable with that, and I think Kendrick fans and they
probably got to cross over. Both of them are fans
that loved them both.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
And I thought it was great for hip hop.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
And the key to that stuff is as long as
it doesn't distract you from your ultimate goal, it's a
wonderful thing to participate in.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I love it, man, I love it.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yeah, it was dope to see you think cannabis too
on was it the Hall of Fame speech you had,
oh yeah, one.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Years ago, because like listen man, like it's about the art,
like this stuff is. You know, this is no different
from you know Lebron and Steph. It's no different from
you know, Jordan when he was coming in and Magic
was going out, or you know whoever you want.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Edwards and Luca. We just saw no difference.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
The court.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Yes, you're on the court, so you're on the record.
It's cool after that, it's not personal.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
You know, I love you.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
It's all good, but it's and it's fun. So I
think it was great for hip hop.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Like, talk to me about, uh, you are obviously in
some legendary movies, a part of some legendary soundtracks as well.
I was just talking to my boy because I just
had a conversation with Demizza Damien Young from Power on
six and he was talking about, uh, the first time
he heard Zoom because.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, Bullwarp soundtrack.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, and the Bull orb soundtrack was crazy, right. But
obviously Heart had like a.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Shark's fin and and uh, you know, any Deep Blue
was crazy in your opinion, what is the best movie
that is a just over the years that you were in?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Me, yeah, that you were that you were in because
you were in some heat man, like my personal favorites,
Any given Sunday.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
I was about to say, probably the one that aged
the best would be any Given Sunday, and probably Into Deep.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Into Deep was five. Also how to Rob on the
soundtrack How to.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Rob fifty Cents first joint, Yeah, well first song, right, yeah, yeah,
hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
How to Rob was on there. I think Nas was
on that soundtrack. There was a few people on there.
It was dope. It was dope.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Okay, So this album what made you know? Because obviously
Q tip is a legend, uh, you know, one of
the greats ever, just in terms of just I mean,
I got Tribe as the top three group all time.
I think he's one of the best producers to ever
live what they made. You guys come together and decide
to do this together.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Man, I had a man, you know, it's it's really
just kind of funny as so I had a dream
about five Dog, you know what I'm saying. And I
was at the time, I was working on the studio
in Drake. With Drake, we got like thirty forty songs.
I was working on, me and him, but it.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Was literally Doctor Dre Yeah, Doctor drechalantly like, yeah, yeah,
me and Doctor Dre got thirty forty songs I never
ever hear ever, but you know, yeah, but I.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Felt like I didn't feel like my pen was living
up to the quality of his music. I felt like
the music was better than the songs I was writing.
So I decided to take a little bit of a break.
And he had other projects so it didn't affect him,
you know, And I was kind of just like pulled
back just a little bit and started thinking about my
writing and thinking about like how I wanted to approach
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this thing. And then you know, Fife Dog came to
me in a dream. You know what I'm saying, Like,
I know it sounds crazy, but I'm telling that I'm
really telling you the truth. No, cap, this is real,
real shit. He came to me a dream and I
was like yo. He just was basically like, Yo, them
songs you're working on they dope.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
And I was like yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
But then he looked at me with like a like
a little smirk like maybe they're not so dope.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
And I was like hmm.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
And when I woke up that next day was it
stayed on my mind and I said, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
What, something just told me to call Q Tip.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
I said, cause I five, I can't talk to Fife direct,
so let me call the Tip And I called Tip
up and I'm like, yo, Tip Man, I said, yo,
I wanna do an album?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Well, he said, well what you want to do?
Speaker 4 (16:23):
I said, Man, I want to do the blackest hot
Sauce Chicken wing Flower in the paper Bag season their
joint in the world. So it's hip hop, I said,
straight up. He said, what's up, big bro, say, let's
next thing.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
We did? We win the studio and here we are. Man.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
You know what I'm saying, And it just was like
it was inspiring. And it's not that it's excluding anybody.
I just wanted to be focused, you know what I'm saying,
and really make something some dope shit. And we got
in the studio and it just man, we just clicked.
We just clicked in the studio. Man, we just started working.
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And you know, I mean, look, even.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Saturday Night Special, that's just the tip of the iceberg. Bro. Like,
I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
How many songs are on the album if you don't
mind me asking, I'm.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Not gonna reveal it yet.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
But it's it's but it's but but I'm gonna come
back to you. We'll talk again as I'm rolling this
thing out. We will talk again.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
In person, hopefully because we're in LA.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
We're all both of them, come in person.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Last thing, l if you're the goat, my bock goat.
By the way, Uh, actually you signed that album when
I met you. I have a man at my house
still framed.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I had to rip the cardboard because it was a
cardboard CD. It wasn't like a jewel case, so I
can frame it. But if you're the goat, who's your goat?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
In hip hop?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Hip hop?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, Like, obviously, if you're the greatest of all time,
who's the greatest of all times?
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Goat? Who?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
If it's not you in your opinion, who's the goat?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I understand exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
So, so here's the thing, Like, here's the thing about
you know, I just want to like kind of qualify it.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
See a lot of people, and I like, I mean
a lot of people have different criteria for that.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Right, most of the time it ends up being something
about wordplaying street records like that's usually where it ultimately
lies because most of the guys, who most of the
people that vote and think about that are a lot
of males and guys, and they think about it that way, right.
You know, I was raised in hip hop before all that,
even before that, right, I mean I became a fan
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when I was eight years old. When I was eight
years old, I was listening to the tapes of The
Cold Crush and the Treacherous and before there was records
on Viney, and then when it came to vinyl, I
was listening to all that too. So I say that
to say this, I look at a whole package, Like,
you know, run DMC.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Is like the greatest hip hop group.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
They're unbelievable and groundbreaking, and you have to in order
to put it in the context. You like, when you
look at these artists, Right, you don't compare.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
A model T to a.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
F thirteen, F eighteen or F whatever, you know, F
thirty five whatever. You know what I'm saying. You don't
compare a model T Ford. I mean, I'm sorry. You
don't compare the Right Brothers what they built to a
jet fighter. You look at what where the Right Brothers
came from.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
The same way about basketball, Like we go back to
the basketball comparison. It's like you can't compare Will to
embiid like exactly.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Jow out exactly. So my point I say that to say.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
This because remember everybody that came after everybody had the
luxury of being influenced by the people that you're comparing
them to. So ultimately, you know, it's like compound interest
on ideas and philosophy and approach. Right, If I have
this person has one perst in form, he gets the
benefit of learning from one.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
It's like the youngest sibling.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
The youngest sibling learns from all the older siblings. The
older sibling only learns from the parents, and if they're brilliant,
then maybe they can.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Learn from the younger siblings.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
But only there's very few people that a lot of
their minds to be flexible enough to learn from those
who come after them.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I'm actually like that, but it's not but it's rare
so to me.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Man, Like when I look at Mellie mel, I look
at you know, the fear of Graandma that's the flash
of the Furious Five.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
And I look at the Treachers three, and I look
at run DMC.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Those are great acts, man, Those are like because they've
made something out of nothing.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
What about the person who came after you that you're like, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I'm a fan of too many of the name man.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
I mean like Big Daddy Kane is like my favorite rapper, Daddy,
Big Daddy Kane is.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Unbelievable to me. I mean it's like, you know, he's
amazing to me.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
I love Rock Kim. I think Rock Kim is amazing.
I love I love EM. I think Em is amazing.
I think Cougi Rapp is amazing. I love Prodigy. Prodigy
from Mob Deep is one of my favorite rappers. You
know what I'm saying, Like crazy love love Prodigy I
love Pharaoh Manch You know.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
What I'm saying. Yes, you know what I'm saying. I
mean Cube n w A, I love n w A.
You know what I'm saying. I think.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
I think Snoop has one of the Snoop can say
anything and make it sound great.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
His flow is unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
He can say andy goddamn thing and it would sound amazing,
Like I love him like so Rick, Like there's.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
So many that I can name nas you know, his.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
His story, the vivid pictures that he paints with his story,
Like there's so many artists that I think are top tien.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
The Goat thing for me was like a manifestation of
me looking at the reason I came up with that term,
since I was looking at Muhammad Ali being the greatest
of all Time, and I was looking at a street
ball player named Earl La Manigo and ear La Manigol
they used to call him got So I took greatest
of all Time and go and turned it into Goat
Greatest of all Time, made the acronym, and then named
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the album.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I had no idea that it would turn into.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Like, yeah, it would become part of like the fabric
of society and all that. I was just thinking it
was cool. But and that was just how I looked
at myself. But I wasn't necessarily, you know, excluding every
other act. I still have my favorite acts that I
love and the people that I love hearing in music
Chuck d He has one of the most amazing voices
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in the world. I mean, if you never witnessed a
DMX show like, I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
You know, yeah, yeah, multiple times.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I mean literally, man, stage it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
So, I mean, it's just so many great acts. Biggie,
I was in the studio in Biggie Row Who Shot You?
I watched them write it.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I watched the video with Biggie when you row who
Shot You? That story for when we sit down do that.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
I want to dive into that, but I know you
are limited time. Man. I listened with any idea in
the albums coming out.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
It's coming out in the fall. The album's coming out
in the fall, and it's called The Force. And uh,
I'll send you guys a track listen. We'll sit down,
we'll talk about the track listening. We're talking about the features.
You know, I'll be having some listening parties I'll have
one here in l A.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I'll make sure they invite you. You come. You can
hear it. It's gonna be fun somehow.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
You you haven't aged a day, So when you send
over the track listening, send over whatever you're eating and drinking.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Well man got the magic elixa
You know, Blutleg Cavs Show special guests, one of the
greatest of all time.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
In fact, the guy who the reason why.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
We use the word ghats is because of this guy.
Just dropped a new record that is insane too, man Ello,
cool Jay, thank you for your time, brother.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Bootleg cav what's up, Betty? Happy to be in man, Yo.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
You're the first rapper in my entire life that I
ever met. I was fourteen in Arizona at a jewelry store.
I had a triple Excel aver X jacket on Indiana
Pacers Jermaine O'Neil Jersey, and I got a picture with
you at a jewelry store in Arizona and it was
like the best moment of my life up until you know,
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fourteen years old.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
You know, so, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
That's crazy, man. Well, you know it's funny that life
comes full circle, right for sure. Man in the face
with a pile something. You know, Hey, at least it
worked out good vibes.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Hey, this new record is crazy, and I like it because,
you know, I feel like this is when I've heard
a new LU record was coming.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I was like, okay, the probably said, you know something
for the ladies.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Now you came with some real hip hop shit like
kicking off this this whole rollout. Man, explain to me
just why you're going this direction right away? Obviously you're
one of the greatest of all time. The beat is
so crazy, it's so it's such a boomback beat. You
got Ross and Fat Joe talking greasy on there, like like,
why why are you coming this way right now?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yo?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I was inspired by you know what I'm saying, like
inspired by the vibe, like the whole idea, like listen,
if you want to survive in this world. It's like,
first of all, it all started like really just kind
of during the pandemic.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I ran around with a mask on and you know,
with a hoodie on.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
And I was on the subway, and I was in
the projects, and I was in all the places that
you probably wouldn't think a quote unquote celebrity or artists
would be. And I was by myself and I was
moving around. I was incognito. I was anonymous in the
disguise nobody really knew. Nobody knew me at all.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
And what I.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Realizes that one of the things you forget about when
you out here in this world even if you just
someone with a good job, like just even if you're
just an everyday working person with a really good.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Job, you forget what's going on in the world.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
You forget about the danger that some people face on
a day to day basis, You forget about some of
the hardships.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
You forget.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
And one of the things I realize is that you
know what, let me impart some of them tools, because
part of surviving in this life.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
You know, whether whether it's in the street, whether it's you.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Know, at some academy somewhere, whether it's you know, you're
trying to pass the ball on whatever level you look
at it, keeping your word and paying people back is
a key to surviving in life.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
It is a key.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
It's called integrity. I'm not talking about moral judgment being perfect.
I ain't say that, but keeping your word, meaning what
you say, saying what you mean is important. And so
that's what this song, why this song was so important
to me. So when I wrote it, I said, you know,
me and Tip were talking. I was like, you know
what the sonics of this meant?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Man? It was just I think Ross and Joe would
sound crazy on me.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Did Q Tip do the beat?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
He q Tip executive produced my whole album.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Oh shit, yeah yeah yeah, So it's it's it's just
this whole project. The force is I think innovative because
like what I wanted to do, Like my thing is
that we're in a genre and you grew up in it,
so you know what I'm talking about. We're in a
genre where we used to people having a certain amount
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of time, a certain type of run, and then they're
done and they step away and that's it, and anything
after that is mediocrity.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
But there's one key point when they rocking on.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Top of the game, and then everything else is kind
of andep I believe personally that's just because the genre
is young.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Now, people say.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Fifty years of hip hop and certain generations, that sounds ancient,
but if you say somebody transitioned at fifty, you would
realize how.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Young it is for a genre.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
So it's like, yo, you know what, let me lead
by example, let me show people that just like when
James Cameron puts out a new Avatar, when they put
out a new Lord of the Rings, when a new
ll COOJ album comes, it should be an event. It
should be innovative, it should be groundbreaking. It should create
a different type of energy. It should not be following.
It should be special and unique and something that only
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I could do. And that was the that's the goal.
So this was just the beginning, you know what I'm saying.
There's a lot more where that came from, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yo, shout out to Joe Ann Ross on the record
you have stolen the show as a feature artist quite
a few times, obviously, Rampage EPMD. My favorite probably Serial
Killers on the Blackout album with Methan Red. Whould somebody
who you've gotten a guest verse from where you were like, damn,
they might have got me on this one?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Well, you know, you know that's a very interesting Well
it depends on I'm gonna tell you man, and this
is the like, it really depends on the type of
song it is. Right, If it's a song where I'm
really trying to go there, I've never.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Felt that, You've never felt that way? No, that's fair
now now.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Now if it's a song that's like more of a
like a party thing and I'm like doing my thing.
But then niggid, But yes, I felt that before, like
I felt like like I loved, like I felt very
comfortable in my verse. But I loved with Biggie and
Busta did on Flavor in Your Ear the remix, Like
I thought what they did was great. I felt good
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about mine too because it was so quirky, and yeah,
I love what I did. It was quirky, shit, lookit,
it was cool. But I loved what you know, Biggie
and Busta did on that song. I thought they killed it.
So yeah, and even on my new album, I have
a song where I think somebody did something really really cool,
but I actually I love that, Like I look at
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that as like that's what it's about, Like it's you know,
it's just like it's just like basketball, man, Like you know,
you're not going to go to the championship every year, right,
But that don't mean you can't play ball. Lebron I
may not be in the finals this year, but that
boy could play ball. We're not gonna say he can't
play ball just because he hit the finals this year.
So with the projects, I look at it the same way.
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It's like I might do one, Okay, I do one.
It didn't I didn't lock in all the way or
didn't touch Okay, cool, but that don't mean that it
ain't gonna.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Be like like you just gonna blow me out the job.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I heard this one and I said, it felt like
a like a hit in the throat to remind people
like which I'm ll cool J, but you.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Know what it really like.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
I think that happens more organically when you're trying to
have fun as opposed to when you trying to hit
people in the throat. I wasn't trying to do that.
What I was trying to do is make some dope shit.
What I was trying to do is put something together
that people could feel, that they could vibe to, that
was relatable, that came from the soul and came from
the heart. Because all of my best music I wrote
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it from the heart. I didn't you know. I may
have been anger, I may have had different fuel. I
may have feeling horny or whatever the feeling was, but
whatever it was, it came from the heart. It didn't
come from like a contry try a place even like
you mentioned rampage like that was from the heart. Like
you know what I'm saying, Like, so you know, Saturday
Night Special, Baby, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Hey, I want to talk about longevity because when we
think of like hip hop longevity, there's nobody. There's not
a person that has more longevity than you, like I
can't you know, like shots of Run DMC and Grandmaster Flash,
but they're not making music no more.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
You know what I'm saying, And obviously rect in peace
to jam Master J.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
But the longevity, there is a whole other level of
longevity that we're inside of when it comes to you
and your career and the errors of your career.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
And the tree that you you know.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Where it's acting or executive producing, the radio station, the festival.
Now is who's an artist that you are just a
fan of that's you know, of the newer generation that
you can see kind of being around for years to come,
like yourself.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Oh, man, I think it's a lot of them. I
think that I think that Kendrick and can have a
long run. I think Drake can have a really long run.
And I think there's a lot of them. I think
Future can have a long run. I think because he's
a great writer. I think, you know, that really comes
down to a lot of different things. Man, there's a
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lot of things that come into play with that. It's
not just look, first of all, you gotta love it
and you got to care about it. And you know,
if you're only doing it just for money, even if
you happen to catch the big check, that won't be
enough for you to keep going to distance because you'll
get lazy.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, so you have to love.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
It, and you're not always going to be on top,
so the money's not always gonna be there. So you
got to put up shots just because you like putting
up shots, like you like, not.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
True too well, you know that, I know what you're
trying to say. And yes, you know, there's a certain
amount of money. When you make a certain amount of money,
you're good regardless. Like, so it doesn't really become about
that per se. It's not about like a salary. But
it's more about like if you get comfortable, you know
what I'm saying, Like, it's about being creatively comfortable as
a poet, to be willing.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
To take some chances, take some risks, you know, you know, like.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
And also there is the fear factor associated with art, right,
like I could be like yo, I could have just
been afraid to make new music just because I think
the world changed, and just let that idea of the
world changing intimidate me in the thinking that I have
nothing to offer as an artist. But that's not true.
That's something those of fabrications we create in our mind.
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You have taste. If you pay attention, you you have taste.
If you pay attention, you know what you want to play,
you know what you want to spend, you know what
you want to listen to, you know what the topics
you want to discuss.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Like, so, we all have a point of view.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
It's just you have to be confident enough and open
enough to be vulnerable. Remember, like and sports is a
good metaphor because that most people can relate to it.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
The greatest athletes in the world are the most vulnerable.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Why because in order to take the game winning shot,
you have to risk missing it and the whole world's.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Watching in order to in order for you know, to shoot.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
That that that that that shot from the.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Tunnel, Like, yeah, you gotta know what comes with missing it.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Yet exactly so that as as an artist, when you're
creating music and all that, it's the same idea. It's like, yo,
you know what I'm saying. People could love it, people
get you gotta love it, So you gotta have confidence
in that so me, I just love what I did.
I promised people I was doing an album for the culture.
I told people you have I have two types of
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albums that I made. I make albums sometimes for me.
Typically those albums are not commercial and only a very
small handful of people really appreciate them, and most people don't.
Then I have other albums that I create where I
do an album that's really for the culture, where I'm
really locked in and paying attention to the culture, and
I do those for them. This is one of my
cultural albums, So that's why it has that different feel
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to it. Now that being said, there are two audiences.
There's a don't call it a comeback audience who been
knowing me from day one. Is that he raps audience
who are going to be surprised by this, like this
new artist who who.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Is a celebrity.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
They know it's a celebrity, but may not necessarily know
him as a rapper. And so you have to get
something that you could press play on that both of
those audiences love, at least your version of what you
believe they'll love.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yo, So when I was a little kid, I scoured
every Wharehouse in Phoenix, Arizona to find the deluxe edition
of DMX's It's Dark.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
And Hell Is Hot.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Now, why would I want to find the deluxe edition
that came with an extra disc?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
What song was? Do you remember the song that was
on the extra disc? No, it was the Ripper strikes Back.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
That's right. It was the Ripper strikes Back. Damn, that's right.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
And the CD looked just like DMX's album. And so
I had, like, bro, when I tell you like that,
I know that entire song by heart, Like, uh, obviously
you've been a part of legendary hip hop battles. I
just got to know, just from a fans perspective, what
do you think about this? You mentioned Kendrick and Drake earlier.
You just you know, I mean, I think it's good
for hip hop. What are your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
About thought it was great for hip hop? I thought
it was great. Yeah, I thought it was great for
hip hop. I thought it was the right thing. I
thought they both did well. They held their own I
thought Kendrick one, but I thought that Drake by no
means did he embarrass himself or have anything to hold
his hand.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
He showed up, he showed up.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
He definitely showed up. He did his thing.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
He showed up, and I think his fans can feel
comfortable with that, and I think Kendrick fans and they
probably got to cross over. Both of them are fans
that loved them both.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
And I thought it was great for hip hop.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
And the key to that stuff is as long as
it doesn't distract you from your ultimate goal, it's a
wonderful thing to participate in.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I love it, man, I love it.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yeah, it was dope to see you think cannabis too
on was it the Hall of Fame speech you had,
oh yeah, one.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Years ago, because like listen man, like it's about the art,
like this stuff is. You know, this is no different
from you know Lebron and Steph. It's no different from
you know, Jordan when he was coming in and Magic
was going out, or you know whoever you want.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Edwards and Luca. We just saw no difference.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
The court.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Yes, you're on the court, so you're on the record.
It's cool after that, it's not personal.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
You know, I love you.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
It's all good, but it's and it's fun. So I
think it was great for hip hop.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Like, talk to me about, uh, you are obviously in
some legendary movies, a part of some legendary soundtracks as well.
I was just talking to my boy because I just
had a conversation with Demizza Damien Young from Power on
six and he was talking about, uh, the first time
he heard Zoom because.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, Bullwarp soundtrack.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, and the Bull orb soundtrack was crazy, right. But
obviously Heart had like a.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Shark's fin and and uh, you know, any Deep Blue
was crazy in your opinion, what is the best movie
that is a just over the years that you were in?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Me, yeah, that you were that you were in because
you were in some heat man, like my personal favorites,
Any given Sunday.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
I was about to say, probably the one that aged
the best would be any Given Sunday, and probably Into Deep.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Into Deep was five. Also how to Rob on the
soundtrack How to.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Rob fifty Cents first joint, Yeah, well first song, right, yeah, yeah,
hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
How to Rob was on there. I think Nas was
on that soundtrack. There was a few people on there.
It was dope. It was dope.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Okay, So this album what made you know? Because obviously
Q tip is a legend, uh, you know, one of
the greats ever, just in terms of just I mean,
I got Tribe as the top three group all time.
I think he's one of the best producers to ever
live what they made. You guys come together and decide
to do this together.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Man, I had a man, you know, it's it's really
just kind of funny as so I had a dream
about five Dog, you know what I'm saying. And I
was at the time, I was working on the studio
in Drake. With Drake, we got like thirty forty songs.
I was working on, me and him, but it.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Was literally Doctor Dre Yeah, Doctor drechalantly like, yeah, yeah,
me and Doctor Dre got thirty forty songs I never
ever hear ever, but you know, yeah, but I.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Felt like I didn't feel like my pen was living
up to the quality of his music. I felt like
the music was better than the songs I was writing.
So I decided to take a little bit of a break.
And he had other projects so it didn't affect him,
you know, And I was kind of just like pulled
back just a little bit and started thinking about my
writing and thinking about like how I wanted to approach
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this thing. And then you know, Fife Dog came to
me in a dream. You know what I'm saying, Like,
I know it sounds crazy, but I'm telling that I'm
really telling you the truth. No, cap, this is real,
real shit. He came to me a dream and I
was like yo. He just was basically like, Yo, them
songs you're working on they dope.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
And I was like yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
But then he looked at me with like a like
a little smirk like maybe they're not so dope.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
And I was like hmm.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
And when I woke up that next day was it
stayed on my mind and I said, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
What, something just told me to call Q Tip.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
I said, cause I five, I can't talk to Fife direct,
so let me call the Tip And I called Tip
up and I'm like, yo, Tip Man, I said, yo,
I wanna do an album?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Well, he said, well what you want to do?
Speaker 4 (16:23):
I said, Man, I want to do the blackest hot
Sauce Chicken wing Flower in the paper Bag season their
joint in the world. So it's hip hop, I said,
straight up. He said, what's up, big bro, say, let's
next thing.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
We did? We win the studio and here we are. Man.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
You know what I'm saying, And it just was like
it was inspiring. And it's not that it's excluding anybody.
I just wanted to be focused, you know what I'm saying,
and really make something some dope shit. And we got
in the studio and it just man, we just clicked.
We just clicked in the studio. Man, we just started working.
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And you know, I mean, look, even.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Saturday Night Special, that's just the tip of the iceberg. Bro. Like,
I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
How many songs are on the album if you don't
mind me asking, I'm.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Not gonna reveal it yet.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
But it's it's but it's but but I'm gonna come
back to you. We'll talk again as I'm rolling this
thing out. We will talk again.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
In person, hopefully because we're in LA.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
We're all both of them, come in person.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Last thing, l if you're the goat, my bock goat.
By the way, Uh, actually you signed that album when
I met you. I have a man at my house
still framed.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I had to rip the cardboard because it was a
cardboard CD. It wasn't like a jewel case, so I
can frame it. But if you're the goat, who's your goat?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
In hip hop?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Hip hop?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, Like, obviously, if you're the greatest of all time,
who's the greatest of all times?
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Goat? Who?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
If it's not you in your opinion, who's the goat?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I understand exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
So, so here's the thing, Like, here's the thing about
you know, I just want to like kind of qualify it.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
See a lot of people, and I like, I mean
a lot of people have different criteria for that.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Right, most of the time it ends up being something
about wordplaying street records like that's usually where it ultimately
lies because most of the guys, who most of the
people that vote and think about that are a lot
of males and guys, and they think about it that way, right.
You know, I was raised in hip hop before all that,
even before that, right, I mean I became a fan
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when I was eight years old. When I was eight
years old, I was listening to the tapes of The
Cold Crush and the Treacherous and before there was records
on Viney, and then when it came to vinyl, I
was listening to all that too. So I say that
to say this, I look at a whole package, Like,
you know, run DMC.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Is like the greatest hip hop group.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
They're unbelievable and groundbreaking, and you have to in order
to put it in the context. You like, when you
look at these artists, Right, you don't compare.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
A model T to a.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
F thirteen, F eighteen or F whatever, you know, F
thirty five whatever. You know what I'm saying. You don't
compare a model T Ford. I mean, I'm sorry. You
don't compare the Right Brothers what they built to a
jet fighter. You look at what where the Right Brothers
came from.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
The same way about basketball, Like we go back to
the basketball comparison. It's like you can't compare Will to
embiid like exactly.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Jow out exactly. So my point I say that to say.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
This because remember everybody that came after everybody had the
luxury of being influenced by the people that you're comparing
them to. So ultimately, you know, it's like compound interest
on ideas and philosophy and approach. Right, If I have
this person has one perst in form, he gets the
benefit of learning from one.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
It's like the youngest sibling.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
The youngest sibling learns from all the older siblings. The
older sibling only learns from the parents, and if they're brilliant,
then maybe they can.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Learn from the younger siblings.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
But only there's very few people that a lot of
their minds to be flexible enough to learn from those
who come after them.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I'm actually like that, but it's not but it's rare
so to me.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Man, Like when I look at Mellie mel, I look
at you know, the fear of Graandma that's the flash
of the Furious Five.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
And I look at the Treachers three, and I look
at run DMC.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Those are great acts, man, Those are like because they've
made something out of nothing.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
What about the person who came after you that you're like, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I'm a fan of too many of the name man.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
I mean like Big Daddy Kane is like my favorite rapper, Daddy,
Big Daddy Kane is.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Unbelievable to me. I mean it's like, you know, he's
amazing to me.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
I love Rock Kim. I think Rock Kim is amazing.
I love I love EM. I think Em is amazing.
I think Cougi Rapp is amazing. I love Prodigy. Prodigy
from Mob Deep is one of my favorite rappers. You
know what I'm saying, Like crazy love love Prodigy I
love Pharaoh Manch You know.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
What I'm saying. Yes, you know what I'm saying. I
mean Cube n w A, I love n w A.
You know what I'm saying. I think.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
I think Snoop has one of the Snoop can say
anything and make it sound great.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
His flow is unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
He can say andy goddamn thing and it would sound amazing,
Like I love him like so Rick, Like there's.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
So many that I can name nas you know, his.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
His story, the vivid pictures that he paints with his story,
Like there's so many artists that I think are top tien.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
The Goat thing for me was like a manifestation of
me looking at the reason I came up with that term,
since I was looking at Muhammad Ali being the greatest
of all Time, and I was looking at a street
ball player named Earl La Manigo and ear La Manigol
they used to call him got So I took greatest
of all Time and go and turned it into Goat
Greatest of all Time, made the acronym, and then named
(22:17):
the album.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I had no idea that it would turn into.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Like, yeah, it would become part of like the fabric
of society and all that. I was just thinking it
was cool. But and that was just how I looked
at myself. But I wasn't necessarily, you know, excluding every
other act. I still have my favorite acts that I
love and the people that I love hearing in music
Chuck d He has one of the most amazing voices
(22:41):
in the world. I mean, if you never witnessed a
DMX show like, I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
You know, yeah, yeah, multiple times.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I mean literally, man, stage it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
So, I mean, it's just so many great acts. Biggie,
I was in the studio in Biggie Row Who Shot You?
I watched them write it.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I watched the video with Biggie when you row who
Shot You? That story for when we sit down do that.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
I want to dive into that, but I know you
are limited time. Man. I listened with any idea in
the albums coming out.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
It's coming out in the fall. The album's coming out
in the fall, and it's called The Force. And uh,
I'll send you guys a track listen. We'll sit down,
we'll talk about the track listening. We're talking about the features.
You know, I'll be having some listening parties I'll have
one here in l A.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I'll make sure they invite you. You come. You can
hear it. It's gonna be fun somehow.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
You you haven't aged a day, So when you send
over the track listening, send over whatever you're eating and drinking.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Well man got the magic elixa
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