#469 - X-Raided

Interview with X-Raided on The Bootleg Kev Podcast.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, everybody, it's your boy. X write is Strange
music in the building. Check me out on the Bootleg
cav podcast Bootleg cap Podcast. Man Special guests in here.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
After begging for him to come on the show for
four fucking years, it feels like every time I see
this guy at an event, I'd be like, YEO, what
the fuck? Man? What the fuck?

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Man?

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yeah, I got you, I got you, I got you. Well,
he's finally here. X Rated is here.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Hey, man, I appreciate you. I always wanted to. I
wanted to come when.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
I was off parole.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
That was a big deal for me, and also I
wanted to make sure that I had some product lined up.
I knew what I was working on, I knew what
my mission was, and I still was trying to figure
it out. Honestly, I viewed you as you were, you
on my list your goals, so I just was like, man,
I have to I'm not ready. I'm not ready. I'm
not ready. And then bowl here you are and it's

(00:51):
organic and it's dope.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
First of all, when did you get off probation or
parole or whatever.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
I got off parole on March first, and then half
a million dollar video with Tech nine. We stopped to
eat lunch and I got my phone checking, you know,
because we had our phone city side, and I got
an email while I was holding the phone. I click
on it and it's like my po like, hey man,
congratulations you offer life for parole. Because I was on

(01:18):
life parole, wasn't on smoke some weed and they overcrowded.
They don't got nowhere to put you parole, life parole.
I was on life for parol. So when I got out,
I was still a lifer, and you're still a lifeer
during parole. So you run around light that cop having
a bad morning. You go right back to prison with
a life sentence as a lifer, and they'll see you

(01:39):
when they want to to figure out whether or not
you should be released or kept. Yeah, so that was
the experience I was having, Damn. Yeah. So March first,
twenty twenty two, I got off and I kind of
you know, turned in my album. Had to figure out
now I could live where I want to live, had
to figure that out, get situated, get an album out

(02:01):
the way that just kind of let me wrap this
up real quick. And so this album is kind of
more of a deliberate result of those outcomes and being free. Yo.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
It's crazy because like when I was growing up as
a young kid, I remember discovering you through Brother Lynch,
so I was a season of the Sickness is like
one of my favorite albums ever. Shout to Brother Lynch,
fucking classic album. Indeed, I've played it on the podcast
for many people. I'm like, you don't understand. There was
this guy who used to talk about eating babies when
I was a kid, and I believe them, and they

(02:32):
used to freak me the fuck out. Yeah, I'd be
listening to Brother Lynch by playing Resident Evil just fucked
up childhood, you know what I mean, Yeah, fucking killing
zombies while this dude is talking about fucking killing babies.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Anyway, shot to Brother Lynch. He's a legend pioneer of
horrorcore hip hop too. But like I dived into like
what you were doing, and then like me and my
homie Rams, this used to just trip out. How this
fool was like in prison recording fucking whole albums from
the pen and they were dope as fussed over the phone.

(03:06):
So you got locked up when you were seventeen, I did.
Now you were already signed the black market. Yeah, as
a juvenile. So what was the timeline between you signing
your record deal and you going to prison?

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Okay? So I ended up.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
I was the first artist ever for black Market Records.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
So I ended up.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Me and my homeboy, young Meek from the Gardens, Big Meek.
We met up with Cedric, and then Meek and Cedric
came up with a plan. Cedric had black Market Records
in his pocket, in his brain, and Meek had the
Bird You know what I mean. This is nineteen ninety one, Okay,
nineteen ninety one, so I already have my niggas in
black ep out, me Lynch and six already have the

(03:50):
Endangered Species project that kind of became Nigga Deep, I believe.
And then we started linking up with Cedric, me and
Meek and and that's how we ended up turning in
Psychoactive in like December of ninety one.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
And then how much further after that was you catching
your case and having to go sit down for two months?
Two months?

Speaker 3 (04:14):
I was arrested maybe ninety days later.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, damn.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah. It was a wild set of summers.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, I mean, it's crazy because we hear about like
Sack and how intense the violence is in Sacramento like now,
and I feel like it's obviously guys like Mazi are
huge coming out of the city. There's a lot of
guys DP about the bag and.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Lavish.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
There's a lot of dope shit coming out of sack Nty.
Yeah ce bow see Bowl a legend for sure, fucking
independent legend for yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
But was it all because like obviously for people who
don't know, like you went to prison for it was
like a gang related homicide, right it was.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
I was given gang relay homicide, first degree premeditated murdering
use of a firearm. That's what I got. Felt good to.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Ye, Like, how crazy was the gang seen in Sacramento
in the late eighties early nineties.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
It was wild. It was very intense that the mid eighties.
It was just people were representing what they were representing.
My neighborhood got founded in the late seventies early eighties
as a result of Compton Crips coming to South Sacramento
to sell dope in our neighborhood, Nutty Blocks primarily, so

(05:33):
the Garden Block is really a result of our ancestors
being the Nutty Block Compton Cryps and some of the
Santana blocks. So Garden Block came from that, among other things.
I got a founding father from Garden Block here with me,
Big Dooney. But we ended up seeing where people was

(05:53):
just fighting. You know, our neighborhoods is all bloods and crips.
We in a box where and Northerners were in a box.
Franklin Boulevard, Medoview Road, Florin Road in Freeport.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
That's kind of our box.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
That would be the gardens a little bit above Franklin,
though they Franklin is Franklin, but everything above it is
the gardens. And you got the Metaview bloods in that box,
you got the twenty nine Street cribs, twenty fourth Street,
twenty first Street, who all together are nine one four
Garden Block cribs. And so in the beginning, in that
mid period, it was just a little bit of fighting

(06:27):
because even the bloods are the homies. You know, Garden
Block existed before Metaview did. Bloods wise, the Medaview always existed,
like I'm from Metable, we all from Metaview, but the
Metaview bloods kind of got born out of homies beating
up people and been getting beat up by people who
were technically homies. So the violence created, you know, where

(06:48):
they started standing on their own ten They from the
gardens too. They g two. It ain't no holes out there.
They really with the shit. And so somebody get clapped,
you know, and I tipped all the dominoes in the outside.
I can't speak for olk Park or they'll pass o heist.
That ain't I right. But they was with the shit
as well, but specifically on the South Side. You know,

(07:09):
in the late eighties, we had a homie get you know,
we got one that got smacked and then now somebody
else gets shmacked over there, and it just turned into
trading bodies crazy and that's the season of the sickness
was born from that.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Wild and so you catch that charge at seventeen seventeen.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, so you're a kid man. I am a kid man,
just a baby. Now, looking back on that, I'm very
empathetic to that little dude and everybody that was with me,
everybody that all of us was babies. Were just some babies, man.
This guy, the kids.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
It's so wild too because the thing like to where
we are now and like you know, the wires heu
trial and how like artists are having their lyrics use
against them actively. They used your album against you in court.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Right, Yeah, they used the lyrics to my song Still Shooting,
which has a sample from Ultra Violet Dreams from Cypress
Hill in it. You know, so it's dope to be
able to talk to be real the other day. But yeah,
I had made Psychoactive. Ironically, I'm being executive produced by
a Medavie Blood who happens to be Siebo's little brother,

(08:17):
Big Miko Yure, and he's there when I record that song.
I recorded Still Shooting at the studio would have met
of you Blood in December of nineteen ninety one, and
they turn around by the summer of ninety two saying
this song was about this incident that occurred ninety days afterward,

(08:38):
and so they switched the title to this song. Clear that.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Was the guy who lost his life from that set
he was.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah, it actually was a woman, a woman a prominent
figure in our community and the mother of people who
you know those There was some disdaining and go alled
so her children were not being viewed favorably on our side,
and they didn't view us favorably. They was with the
shit you know what I mean, and they just they

(09:08):
was active, and so they take my song and say
it's about this incident that it had nothing to do with.
They changed the name to the Murder and call it
the murder, even though that was the intro with the
pizza man thing with me and brother Lynchon where we
pull up, pretend to be the pizza man, dude open
the door with gunning down. That's the murder. The song

(09:28):
is called still Shooting. So they changed the name of
the song to fit the narrative. Quote my lyrics broken
up so that it says what they wanted to say
a lot of context. Write those stories for the Sacramento
b tell those stories on channel on ABC NBC, all
of them, and then that gets picked up by the AP,

(09:49):
and then hip hop journalism repeated those stories instead of
writing it on like my home field. Advantage of hip
hop like now, someone like you would have dug in it.
You wouldn't have let that happen to me. You would
hope a live wouldn't have let that happened to me.
It would have been some people at Elliott Wilson who
would have disagreed with that. Ironically, Elliott could have disagreed

(10:10):
with it, then I think and didn't.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Maybe, yeah, I don't. I mean, I don't know what
Ellie was doing in ninety one. He might have entered
something I don't know.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, he might not have had the power in ninety
one ninety two. That's true. But what I do say
is that hip hop media did not tell the story themselves.
They just repeated the story that originated from conservative news
media in Sacramento, which is a republic Republican dominated environment
at the time, it was an anti crime environment. It

(10:38):
was a it was a different culture. And Sacramento also
used me in a sensational way to have a viral story,
what we would call a viral story. One of the
first times there was something that Sack was on the
map for that they could be proud for. Sack always
been the little brother in California. Sure, and so you
had the Doro, THEA Shuentez thing that gave Sack got

(11:00):
his beak wet with national entertainment true crime kind of shit,
and I think they got thirsty. And so when my
thing happened, they sold that story and used it. It
was ratings, it was you know, it sold papers, and
that's what they did. They told they tore up a
seventeen year old child.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
That shit's crazy. Yeah, And that was also kind of
like I feel like the era of like the demonization
of hip hop because you got to think between like
the two Lave Cruise ship n w A was a
little before that, and just like there were so many
politicians stopping on CDs, Piper Gore and uh, what's the

(11:38):
lady from l A The lords lawis Tucker.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
It was like there was like this real like anti
hip hop agenda like on really to mo like the
left too, Like it was a lot of democrats.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
A lot of a lot of it, A lot of
it was coming from that. It was both sides, both
sides this ship. Yeah, the FBI on n WA for
fuck the Police, Tipper Gore and all of them on
two Live Crew. Here they come with band in the USA,
the ghetto boys, Jay Prince coming under attack, so they
got to make we can't be stopped, you know, Uh,

(12:12):
Time Warner turning on Ice Tea crazy. It was a
lot in this era. That's what I was talking about
Mike Tyson and what he was going through. But I'll
talking about now that entering that stage of Tupac, the
demonization of Tupac and uh or the selling of his
sensational story. It's kind of what they were doing. And

(12:33):
so you had oj occurring. It was it was a
rough time in this to be a part of the
culture at the time.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
What was your family like home like like like life
like at home? Obviously being seventeen, rapping, being act in
the streets with your parents around like so.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
I had.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Earlier.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
I had my grandmother, Miss Maxine, you know Tammas Sharner
and Florn Road in South Sacramento. You know, my family
all in the gardens Castelinda, Castelinda in twenty fourth Street,
Nedra Court, And so that period in my life was
beautiful up until my grandmother passed and she kind of
was the glue to health the family together. And when
she passed away leadership, you know, who's gonna take over,

(13:14):
who's that next person? There wasn't really anybody in position.
The people who were in position, like my mom, were
in griev they were grieving. And so while they were grieving,
I went outside and so I'm with my big cousins
Artie Barnes AJ from twenty fourth Street, you know, dun
play I'm with my family members, and so yeah, I

(13:36):
didn't have a lot of supervision. My father's from Pritchard, Alabama.
He met my mama in Sacramento. My uncle went to
my uncle Bodic's house across from Oak Park Community Center
back in the day, and so my cousin, Jimmy broad
Knat lived right across from the Oak Park Community Center,
and my mom would always be over there with my aunt,
my grandmother's sister, and next door was my father's uncle,

(13:58):
and that's how they linked up. And you know, here
I am, but he goes home to Alabama. He was
just visiting family, and so I didn't really have a
two parent home. I probably spent a total of three
or four years with my father out of my entire life,
you know what I mean. And that's brutal. It's brutal.
And what I learned from him in that period of
time definitely is it has a lot to do with

(14:19):
me being alive, you know what I mean. He didn't
teach me a lot with his words, but observing the
way he moved, he strapped up. You know, he got
his he was with the bullshit right all of it.
He owned his club, he was moving he had vendor machines.
He was grinding. I remember I went to Alabama. My
pops takes me on the trip to Pensacola. We get

(14:41):
some fireworks. I think, you know, it's whatever. And I
had a trip with my dad. We go to the beach,
he meet up with some people. They put the fireworks
in the trunk. We draw it back and then I
can't use these specific fireworks, right, And then I got
the other fireworks and shit. And then I see my
pups was busting the bitches down and entering out all
of the fireworks, you know, and he and there cooking

(15:04):
and cleaning up and doing his thing. And so my
pops had you know, I went with my pops on
the on the pick up mission, and my pops was running,
he was doing him. And so it wasn't unusual for
me to see him cooking up in there and counting
his money and doing his thing, and you know, being
on ten tos, and how he communicated with his brothers,
how he communicated with his friends. And so he didn't

(15:25):
teach me a lot deliberately, but I saw a lot
that later on. You kept me alive. Yeah, So I'm
grateful to my father may rest in peace. And I
feel like he didn't know what the fuck to do
with the child. He didn't know what to do with
no baby. And you know, I feel that way with
my mother. My mother braised this the way she was raised,
and that included teaching us a lot encyclopedias, dictionaries, puzzles,

(15:51):
mind games. She had a lot of that type of
stuff in in psychological games you could play the strength
in your perspective. And but she wasn't too much that
I needed male leadership in my life. And once we
hit a certain age were that was it. You know,
back then sixteen you I'm running around doing me wasn't

(16:12):
no discipline at all, right, And so yeah, I didn't
have a lot of support.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Well I was going to ask you, like, you find
out you're going to prison for life? Yeah, as a kid, Yeah,
that's got to be like your whole entire soul just
gets snatched from your body.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
Like not really, man, Like, how did I'm.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Saying, like, because you somehow turned that into like the
perseverance of like having like a semi successful, like i
mean very successful rap career while being in prison, which
is very I mean, yeah, like, like how do you
make that transition from being a kid to thinking maybe
your life is over, and then you know your music

(16:54):
career is just beginning in some sorts, you.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Know, Yeah, I think you hitting it right on the head, man.
I I think the thing that kept me from feeling
like my life was over that I lived for the music.
Hip hop became everything to me. They couldn't take that
I can write a dope ran, I can still be dope,
and so that mattered to me to just be dope.
And because I was just focused on that, I had

(17:17):
so much material that when these opportunities presented themselves, Like
the first thing I did was the twenty four deep
with brother Lynch and Lynch. I was calling Lynch from
juvenile hall and he was like, man, I got this song.
I want you to record your part, and he did
it on his answering machine. So I'm around the corner
at the pay I got the photies and the thank

(17:38):
I did that over the phone, and so that kind
of even while I'm facing the death penalty at the time,
they're in a fight. Am I being remanded to adult
court to be tried and or am I going to
juvenile court? I get remanded to adult court, then the
fight is death penalty, capital.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Punishment or indeterminate sentence.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Fight that beat the death penalty thing, and then now
it's okay, these are your charges and you get to
thirty one a life. I know that twenty five of
life is what I'm dealing with. I'm aware, like that's
my maximum outcome. And so even then, even being aware
of that, like I technically just survived that they would
have liked to have killed me if they could have

(18:20):
found me guilty and give me given me the death penalty,
they would have It's just the law and the judge's
interpretation of the law. He decided not to allow that
to occur because I was seventeen years old. But so
I technically am also feeling like I just beat death
in a way.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
So it's like a small victory.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
It was a small victory, and I'm not fully capable
of dealing with the horror this shit, right, you know,
missus Harris, and what happened in our community, how people
were responding to it, How I'm being celebrated on one
side for being g demonaged on another side for being evil, right,
you know what I mean, and hated by rivals who

(19:01):
feel like you know, they have to. They had to
deal with that. That's just what you do. It's retaliation
as a must. That's a part of the game. So
I got all of this as a seventeen year old
child that I got to deal with when I walk
out of my cell and how am I projecting myself?
So you have a mixture of shame, pride, ego, all
this stuff active at the same time, and want my

(19:24):
homeboys like, Okay. The safest place to go as a
child was deeper into the place that didn't feel like
I did nothing wrong, didn't feel like.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
There was another It was what it was.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
So it was a safe place to hang out for
a minute until I got old enough to start reconciling.
Brain development catching up and I had to start dealing
with ugly truths within myself, and I started bleeding into
my lyrics because that was the safest place for me
to go. I was always honest in in my lyrics
or for a while something.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Early on you like embraced, like you said the cybe
where you were like sell braided, I guess I did.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah, yeah, being ax rated, Yeah, you know what I mean.
And Gordon Block crib ax rated from twenty fourth Street.
That was a badge of It was like a bulletproof
vest for me to put on to protect me from
even my own thoughts, my opinions, or other outside opinions
of me. I just stood on that to not allow
none of the ugly stuff to penetrate my spirit, and

(20:23):
I focused on working with Lynch on twenty four Deep
made me like, damn, maybe I'll can get some shit done.
And so I'm writing like a motherfucker. I transferred to
the county jail and I run into mac Dre, and
mac Dre and Kyrie had for years this man. I
think it was like somewhere in the window in ninety three,
ninety four. So mac Dre Sacramento is the hub for

(20:46):
federal crimes. So if you committed, if you got a
federal case, you're gonna get sent to the Sacramento County
Jail to go to court because they handle it. So
mac Dre Twenny.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Fed cases in like northern California. They would go to
jail and sack.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
I believe not even just Northern California period. I mean
it's a capital too, right, Yeah, So like the unibomber
was housed in the Sacramento County Jail. Like, was my
neighbor going to going to court for his for his case?
You ever talked to him?

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Talking to him was weird?

Speaker 1 (21:15):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (21:15):
I said, I said, hello, you know I'm a dumb ass.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Right.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
So did he ever like break down his manifesto to you?

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Like? No? No, I didn't get the top it up
with him like that. We was in four hunter poss.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
How to interview that motherfucker out of it? Like, Yo,
so what's going on?

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Nowadays I definitely would have.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Wanted to know maybe we had had an offier podcast.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
I reached out to our yell daddy and shit, he
was in his South in mind. But he was a
very meek dude, and he talked about fame, notoriety, what
they call not the rod. Judges used to come and
hang out at his door with their clerks and talk
to him.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
And you know, that dude was allegedly brilliant, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 2 (21:52):
No, he I mean, by all accounts, he was a
smart guy.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah, he was a very you can be so smart
it could you could you get a little crazy? And
so he was a very smart motherfucker. And the judges,
all of them. They used to do tours and come
by and you know, they're look at myself, here's the
rapper X righted and they would go around a little
bit and it's the fucking unibomer.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
I'll be looking out my door and.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
It just be a pack of people sitting in front
of in front of itself. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Man, it's crazy anyway.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Mac Dre so Mac Dre ninety three, ninety four ish.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Uh, they have recorded the live from Presno County Jail
over the phone him and I believe Kyrie from Young
Black Brother. So that Young Black Brother at the time,
and I know he had done some stuff on mac
Mal's stuff too, and so he was like everybody knew
about twenty four Deep at the time. So it was like, yo,

(22:44):
he gave me the game. This is how we did it,
Like how did you do it? I was like, man,
I just recorded it on an answer machine. He was like, nah,
we did the phones and we ran the line into
the board and did it directly through that. And I
was like, damn. So I took that game and gave
it to say and then talked to John Bots from
Enharmonic Studios and Sack and uh, so they took a

(23:06):
phone apart, soldered the wires to a mic plug, plugged
it directly into the board. So when I called the phone,
it was going straight into the board. And then they
took another part of the phone apart, soldered the wires
and plugged it in, so the audio was going straight
into that so you could hear the beat on a
different phone.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Got it.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
So I had to call a phone right here and
spit the rhyme.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Spitting here while listening to the beating the other.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
One and listening to the beating the other one. And
that's how I recorded excessist.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
What we're like. People who were also on the phone
like looking at you, like, yeah, this fool is fucking rapping,
Like nah.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Our County jail was separated, you know. The crips was
on the west side, the blood's on the east side.
I think at the time was in three hundred pod.
The pols are separated by a severity of crime at
the time. So if you child support tickets, you go
to one hundred pod. If you got a little bit
of violence but nobody has who stitches, you go to
two hundred pod. If you had if somebody somebody had

(24:04):
Suture Stitches, Dead Funerals, three hundred pod.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
And so I'm in this pod and it's start.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
I got the homies out here and I'm doing some
shit that people. I'm in Sacramento. I'm x rated in Sacramento,
deal recording a saw. So there's motherfucker's in the day
room rooting for this. Yeah, the white Boy's rooting for this.
The Mexicans is rooting for this, The Niggas is root
This is a victory for the criminals. We went and
the police is rooting for this. They didn't bump Psychoactive.

(24:33):
They done bumped twenty four deep. They don't bumped.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
But you had cops who were like fucking with you,
like the fans.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm in Sacramento. Yeah, I'm
at home. Yeah, imagine they threw one of us in
the county to come on, man, I'm in.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
The carrying the recording. Yeah, I'm doing the whole album
right now.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Like I ain't even got to tell them that because
they it's the wild Wild West in the tank. So
I'm in the tank doing me and and they can
hear it, but also can't legally stop it. So when
people were like why did y'all allow him to do it?
They like, he's not convicted of a crime. He has
the right to use the phone. We don't tell anybody
else not to use the phone. So if he commits
a crime on the phone, then we'll investigate that crime.

(25:16):
But in terms of rapping on the phone, it's not illegal.
It's not illegal for him to do that. So their
spokesperson is in the Sacramento be explaining to people why
they didn't stop it because they could, they weren't legally
able to stop it. I could use my phone time
to do whatever, and in there there wasn't a list
to sign up, so you could be on the phone
for seven hours if nobody cared, you know what I mean.

(25:38):
And nobody cared, nobody could care. That was when them
get your ass whooped over this. We were recording these
songs the homies is tripping and it ain't wasn't the
only ones it was at victory for the criminals.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
How many projects did you drop that you recorded in
while while incarcerated, just so people have an.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Idea, Oh man, so exorcists and we do six hundred
and forty thousand copies of that, you know what I mean?
Like in like maybe six months Billboard SpLD Wow, incarcerated
God while incarcerated without a music video, without a music video,
want to get high your certified classic mac.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Right back in the day, it was like the video
was very important.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, no music videos and still gold. Anyway, six months
Playboy Magazine, all that shit, And so I did Exorcists.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
I go to the pen.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
I remember, I think McGinnis, I think the spokesperson for
the prison system, they were asking them before I got there,
like X Rated just recorded Extorsists in the Sacramento County
jail and he's on his way to you. He's been convicted.
How were you guys planning to stop him from recording
music over the phone? And they had all these reasons,
and they had the beats to beat. They put all

(26:50):
this shit on the phones, and dude, you are there,
are on the call with the blah blah blah blah blah,
so that I wouldn't be able to successfully do it.
And so I got there and I was able to
get some more you know, get some equipment in there,
spend money again. Cops are fans, the laundry workers are fans,
the kitchen workers are fans. I got allies in this bitch. Yo.

(27:11):
The hummy been here for twenty years, this nigga that
knocked this motherfucker over here to work in the library.
You know what I mean. I'm putting a whole studio
on the yard if I want to, I'm doing whatever
I want to do. I didn't know that I was
going to be like that, but I aged into it
and lived into it. And so here comes Unforgiven. So
you got extracists, unforgiven, nefarious, and think about the period
of time ninety six I dropped Exorcists, Run it up,

(27:34):
I take up it takes I think ninety seven, ninety eight,
Me and boat work until my casket drops. I'm number
three on Billboard, behind MARIOH. Carrey and Brian McKnight. Boom,
Here Comes Unforgiving. I'm fourteen on the heat Seekers chart Billboard.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
Boom.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
That's nineteen ninety nine, maybe eleventh ninety nine. February Boom,
I'm back on Billboard charts with the Nefarious album, and.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Then November Boom.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
I'm back on bill Board charts, one hundred thousand copies
first week on Vengeance's Mind Boom. February I'm back with
Initiation I'm back up on the Billboard charts again, I'm
move and and all that's happening while I was incarcerated.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
So I think it's so you had like a like
you had like a like a like a studio ish setup.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Oh yeah, repeated, like would you have? I had all
kind of shit. I started off with just a mini dishrecorder.
Then I would try and get something to have multiple
tracks on it. Eventually, and then I started finding out
about apps, and so I started getting phones and downloading
apps that gave me four tracks and shit, and plugging
in and recording on little laugh mics and shit like that,

(28:40):
you know what I mean, talk show microphones and sending
that shit home and letting them clean it up.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Yeah, man, I had. I had adapt before I had
a mini disrecorder or an R seven.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
And they didn't care that you had all that in yourself.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Hell yeah, they cared. But the problem isn't that contraband.
It is contraband. But this is the problem if you
think about and I had a lot of issues because
of this, But if you look at the rules, the
CCR title fifteen and here comes X rated in nineteen
ninety six, who the fuck recorded a song and the
cell before right, whoever had a cell phone? And they

(29:15):
sell before right, So there's no rule against this shit.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Because it's almost like new technology.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
It doesn't exist.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
That's like that's making a point of reference. Yeah, these
are the rules related to UFOs and how they have
to fly. It's like where are they, you know what
I mean? Where we're gonna make a rule for some
shit that we don't even know if it exists or not.
So I'm getting caught. The niggas is telling and speculating,
you know what I mean. If you a rapper on
the yard, you don't want to be jay z right,
you don't want to be Tupac, you want to be

(29:44):
x rated, you want to I'm the one who's done it,
so they look, I said a standard, and so people
was talking about me a lot. So my cell get hit,
I get busted with a phone, I get busted with
a recorder that the cop thinks he got him. You
know I had I remember one time I had a
lighter in mysel. Well, the cop finds the lighter throws
that away with all the garbage. He wrote it on

(30:05):
the slip of stuff though that he took from me,
but he threw it away. The homies now everybody know,
they get the trash is gone. The police then win
did what they had to do. He looks up the
rules and tries to figure out what to write me
up for in three thousand and six c contraband possession.
The contra band was all he could come up with,
which was like two weeks loss of yard. Just boys,

(30:30):
boys being bad boys. Just slap on the wrist and
send me back to the yard. But when they caught me,
they thought they had me. They thought we're gonna put
him under the prison. This is a shoe turn. We
got him and it was a three tag. I would
have got in more trouble if he wrote me up
for that lighter. That lighter was a three year shoe term.
He could have sent me to Corkoran. He could have

(30:50):
sent me the Pelican based shoe if he wrote me
up for that lighter, because it's a caustic substance and
explosive device according to that rug. Yeah, so he threw
away the way and wrote me up for some shit
that didn't exist, and just they were mad. They were
big mad, And so I get hit with the son
of Sam lawsuit me O J. Charles Manson. They hit

(31:13):
us all with the Son of Sam lawsuit?

Speaker 2 (31:15):
What is that?

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Just?

Speaker 2 (31:16):
People don't know.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
So the Sam lawsuit is to prevent an inmate from
profiting from the notoriety they received as a result of
their crime. I think it started in New York with
the Son of Sam, who I guess was getting paid
to do interviews people writing books.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
He was.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
He became a millionaire as a results.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
I just saw Whack One was talking about that with
the KFD thing, because I think he was trying to
help get keffd out and they were trying to bring
the Son of Sam thing up. And he's like, well,
they haven't convicted him yet, so technically, you know, he's
not guilty of anything.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yeah, California struck it down, but I don't know if
KEFD if that'll apply to him. They arrested him in Nevada,
so I'm not sure what the laws are. But the
California Supreme Court struck it down, and so you could
so you were safe. So now you can ain't take
my money. There's no rule against what I'm doing. And
then even as they're trying to figure out how to

(32:06):
implement those rules takes two or three years years while
you're running it. They got to go through the Assembly bill.
It got to be agreed we do the Senate Congress
signed by a governor in order to change these rules.
So I got this window where from nineteen ninety six
to two thousand and two, I'm just whipping the asses
and it ain't nothing they could do to stop it,

(32:27):
and so I did. I ended up having a lot
of angry police man. They just just been I couldn't
talk about that shit while I was on parole, but
like I went through it, and they were trying to
figure out, you know, throw me in a dungeon. Man,
I'm ready with a hunter songs. So I get a
hold of a recording. I'm dropping a hundred. I'm dropping
a hundred in a weekend. Get smuggling them bitches out

(32:48):
come and get me. Put me in the hole. I
don't give a fuck.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
I'm sure. Once the iPhone gets introduced to the changed everything.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
It did change everything. It sped me up. But as
the technology grew, so did my awareness of the potential
that I was going home. So I wasn't always sure
about that, and it's there's stages now I know the
stages of development of my understanding. First it started with hopelessness,

(33:15):
and then it turned into ah, you know, I might
not be here forever for the rest of my life.
Maybe I won't. I don't know. You see laws, you
hear everybody was always somebody coming man, this new this
piece of legislation gonna change your life, asks I'm like whatever,
man R all right? And so my big homie Dooney
actually was one of the ones where he was at

(33:36):
San Quentin. He got a murder with another of my OG's,
the two founders but the founder of twenty four Street
Garden Block and Doney as a founder of twenty nine
Street Garden Block, and they caught a case. Dooney did
gets fifty years. He ended up doing thirty one. And
in the course of that you got these two men,
one who taught me survival, how this is how you fight,

(33:59):
this how you make a knife. He taught me that
and later was able to teach me this is take
your ass on. But Dooney was more educated on a
on a from the perspective of hope faster than we were,
because he got to do his time, some of his
time at Saying Quentin, where they had all these programs
and where rehabilitation was at the forefront. It was the

(34:22):
darling of CDCR. Damn there still is. And so he
was one of the ones who started saying, now you
take your ass to school.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
You know, I got my phone. It hit me on Facebook.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
I seeing pictures of what he's doing on the yard,
and it just made me feel like, damn, man, it
ain't got to just be like this fucked up ass
one eighty design I'm at or this two seventy yard,
like it's a different you get different ways to do
your time. And so he gave me permission. Really I
needed it from somebody that I respected as against it
to tech myas to anger management class, tech MIAs in there.

(34:55):
I got my ged go to school.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
All that looks good too. I'm sure when they.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
And that was his point. But you know, I didn't
really have that much hope in that. And so I
remember Miller versus Alabama went to the Supreme Court, and
Miller versus Alabama was a case about a juvenile in
Alabama who was sentenced to the death penalty, and the

(35:20):
argument was.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Is it a violation of.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Our Eighth Amendment right against cruel and unusual punishment to
sentence a juvenile to death or even to sentence sentence
them to life in prison without an opportunity for them
to grow, and that neuroscience had demonstrated that at the
age of twenty five we start seeing the results of

(35:47):
maturation and development, and that these children should be allowed
to have an opportunity to prove that they grew up
and that they got a different perspective and maybe they're
a completely different person. So the Supreme Court rule, they
got rid of it death sentences for juveniles, but in
their ruling they stated essentially, if a case reached them

(36:12):
about life in prison for juveniles, they likely rule in
favor for that as well. Yeah, and this is important
when people don't understand why voting is important. The Supreme
Court we had at the time was impacted by Clinton
and then impacted by Bush, and then impacted by Obama.

(36:34):
So the people making those decisions, you know, we end
up Trump puts three people on the Supreme Court, and
there goes Roll versus Way, there goes.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yeah, the Supreme Court. I always tell people, like, if
you could just remove all of the you know, antics
about politicians and just wherever you feel you're aligned with
the Supreme courts. What matters the most, Probably.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
It really is, and the presidency matters because they're gonna
they're gonna have points going to appoint them, and they're
gonna color that Supreme Court the way they want to. Sure,
And it's said there's an argument that if today's Supreme
Court was the Supreme Court ruling on Miller versus Alabama,
I'll still be I literally would still be in prison
today's Supreme Court was ruling.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Well, that's why I think a lot of people were
saying RBG before she passed away, she like she should
have retired while Obama was in because then he could
have you know. But she stayed in and then obviously
was replaced with a more conservative judge.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
I think Trump might have got to put two or
three on there.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
He did.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
I think I think it was at least it was
at least two.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
At least might have been three. Yeah, it was at
least two, we know for sure. And it changed the dynamics.
So the Supreme Court did make that statement. So when
they said that and in in their ruling, the states
started freaking out because they're like, there will a case
is going to get up there for sure cases on

(37:55):
the way up there, and people start filing cases. Of course,
it makes sure so a case is on this way
up there. The courts indicated that they're definitely going to
rule in favor of it if it makes it up there,
and if they do, it'll be like how we saw
the gay marriage. The states had control of that, but
when the Supreme Court said this is legal everywhere, it
was legal everywhere. That once they make a ruling, that's

(38:18):
the law of the United States of America. The decision
individual decisions is out. It would have been the same
thing with the decision versus the juveniles with life. Now,
all these states would have to let these people out
and figure out what to do with them and have
no mechanism in place to control it because it was
being dictated to them by the federal government. So as

(38:40):
a result, they proposed Senate Bill to sixty. Senator Lonnie Hancock,
a Democrat out of northern California, proposed that there's be
a process called the Youth Offender Law that allowed the juvenile.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
To go to board.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
So if you were between the ages of if you
were younger than eighteen, you would have an opportunity to
go to board and be examined to find out if
you were worthy of being released from prison, if you were,
if you did not posing a reasonable risk for violent
recidivism in the community.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
So that's where all of the things that you had
did helped you out. Gd Anger Management.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Owning my home. Yeah, like I was already ready to
go home, and so they send doctor Lear to me.
And now you got my big homie hit me like yo,
the chop chop and the ogs and the law library.
This is big news on the York for sure. So
I'm working out in the sale mine of my business
football game on and I remember I get called out

(39:44):
to see it. So they like, hey, the psychologist is
here to see you. And so typically, you know, I
had signed up for these programs, so I would go
to have a sit down with a psychologist probably once
every two weeks or something like that. At least once
a month, but that's normal. The staff to to the yard.
So I keep dressed because I want to get a
homie some time to himself. Let him have to sell

(40:05):
for a minute. So I'm like, fuck it, I'm gonna
go holler at this psychologist. Manager yourself. I'll be back
because you know we locked down all that, you up
around each other, saw me so a lot and so boom. Yeah, yeah,
that's pretty much the green light under your businessman whatever.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
I'll be back.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
And so I go over there to the program office
and they send me to the bad news place.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
You know do you usually go over there?

Speaker 1 (40:28):
It's your mama died, you know, your daddy died, and
the kid is sick. It's the bad news building. So
I'm like, what the fuck? And uh. I walk in
the room and it's just older gentleman sitting there by himself,
dwarfed by the table, and I sit on the other
side of him, and he introduces himself as doctor Lear

(40:49):
and he says he's a forensic psychologist from the Border
prison hearings. And uh. He asked me if I was
willing to have a conversation with him, and I'm like yeah,
And I'm two hundred and forty five pounds with a
four percent body fat benching four h five you know what,
I'm sweating. I just got through doing berbees. So I'm
sitting here looking at him and he's like he takes

(41:11):
me through my entire at my whole life, and he's
like a fine tooth comb. There's no plan with doctor Leir.
He's seen it all, he's heard it all, and he
is here to decide on his own judgment if you're
a sociopathic monster that needs to state right where you
are or if you're going to go home. Lord, if
you're going to go home. They had a lot to do.

(41:33):
If he said I think this person needs further development,
you're sitting there until he says, I think you did it.
And so he talked about immutable factors, childhood issues, things
you can't control that create who you become. He very
much explained his understanding of how I ended up being
his seventeen year old child in the circumstances that I

(41:55):
was in, and there's no argument about that. It's do
you understand it? Found guilty by the jury or peers.
We're not retrying your case. This is factual to them legally.
That's all there is.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Do you understand how you ended up?

Speaker 1 (42:09):
You understand how you got there, and have you implemented
measures that you can take to prevent you from being
in that circumstance again? Period? And then you have a
psychopathy examine. It essentially is a psychopathy examination, and you
have to score in the twenty fifth percentile or under,
or they're going to tell the parole board that you're

(42:30):
a threat to the safety of others in society if
they were to release you, which is what they did
to Manton every time he went to board one hundred
percent of the time. And so doctor Lear told me, Man,
he said, well, at the end, when he had made
up his mind about what he thought about me, he
kind of just sat back and said, mister Brown, we're
trying to let you go home, and I think you
changed your life and you didn't care who did it, well,

(42:52):
who knew you did it. It didn't matter to you.
But it's time for you to care now that people know.
I have my home, I own my home, I got
my business set up, I've done anger management, I got
my GED I'm enrolled in an AA program for for
college credits. I'm attending arcotics Anonymous. At that point, I'm

(43:14):
doing all kind of shit.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Did you end up picking up like a drug habit
while in prison? I didn't, I think, because I know
a lot of people do, because it's like you ain't
got shit to do, like the shit get pats around like.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Yeah, but you know us culturally, But it's fround the
plan to do certain hard drugs culturally from the era
that I come from.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
You know, I know we got popular to sniff this
or sniff that.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Everybody's sniffing shit these days. Yeah, yeah, all the rappers
are high on real drugs.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Yeah it's too late for me, man. So yeah, I was.
I attended those things because I have a lifestyle addiction,
not necessarily a drug addiction. So if I did want
to sniff something, which I've sniffed something before, if I
wanted to sniff something, if I wanted to now I'm sniffing.
Now I'm now I'm calling people because one time too many,

(44:04):
I'm I'm tripping.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
I got little triggers active.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Your fuse get shorter if my few and next thing
you know, I'm I'm sagging. I'm moving a certain kind
of way because I have a lifestyle addition, and that
that kind of alcohol comes with that. Womanizing comes with that,
Pistol packing comes with that, Get sniffing something comes with that.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Violence comes with that, And so I have to be.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Conscious of how to protect my lifestyle from relapse a
lifestyle real shit.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
I would say, like if you ever have like any
addition to anything, you could kind of apply the NA
or AA shit to like any sort of advice you
might have.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
At least the process.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
And that's why I like a NA more than AA,
because it was more philosophical than religious. Right, it's very
very religious and the piece and blessings to anybody that
needed that way, But I didn't. I didn't require that,
and it turned me off, and so I was like,
now i'mies, Like, no, no, Now I go there. They
trust me, and it was a completely different experience. And
then we had criminals and gang members anonymous. It was

(45:05):
a lot of different groups available to me in that
environment that I started attending. And uh, once I was like,
you know, I had done my time as a gang
member who went to prison as a rapper, right, and
then made a shitload of money and got famous more
famous while I was doing my time.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
So I had the I mean, it was a part
of like your fucking appeal, Like, Yo, there's this dude
dropping albums in fucking prison. This shit is crazy.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Yeah, it was. It was a part of the magic.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
And so I was anti administration and anti cop because
I was operating as a criminal and as a game Reber,
not no famous person or not no fucking celebrity, right,
so I get I get classified. I got a letter
from Monster Cody that they kept for like two months.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
They finally brought it to me. It was a tour up.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
They had tried to code it and shit, and I
got flagged for receiving that letter.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
And then I got a letter from Tuki.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
So like when we dropped Deadly Game, they wanted to
know man who wrote that? Whose spirit did that come from?
So Wendy Day, Davy d Monster Cody, Tuki. They wanted
to know what made me write that song. And then
you got missaying to pe Land of the Loss. I
had kind of started getting on the government's ass a
little bit, you know. I started trying to talk about,

(46:23):
you know, three strikes in your route. Motherfucker's getting twenty
five of life is still in a slice of pizza,
Like this happened to this nigga the next door to me.
And so I'm starting to take these stances in my music.
And so I got validated as a gang member. And
then they made me high notoriety public interest case, and
they made me a being a high notoriety public interest cases.

(46:45):
The only it's what they give you as a celebrity, right,
so the high notoriety is what they'll give like Charles
Manson and a public interest case, Scott Peterson, Tuki a
monster Cody. It's only some of us that they did
that too. And so once they hit me with that
that particular label, I think the La Times started calling

(47:06):
the institution. You MTV start calling the institution coming in
with cameras, news crewis and shit on the yard in
the day room like this in the day room of
the prison. Crazy and so it's like, yeah, it's just
some celebrity shit. And so it was uh Loo Menendez
getting with Loo Menendez. He was one of the first

(47:27):
people to start telling me you using your You're you're
allowing yourself to be defined by other people because you're
not utilizing your celebrities.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Is that one of the Menendez brothers?

Speaker 3 (47:38):
It is?

Speaker 2 (47:39):
So you were you linked up with one of them
or both of them both.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
I'm the Melenindez brother, as they say, I'm a black
Menindez brother. Like both Lol and Eric are two of
my favorite human beings on the place.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Did they tell you where? Did they ever like tell
you what really went down?

Speaker 1 (47:53):
You know what. It's not appropriate to digging nobody business
like that, right, But.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
I wondered if, like you know, I'm not saying you
got to share it, but like, like you guys, did
you guys ever talk about.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
I have significant insight about everything, Like I was their
first time being put together on the yard, Like I
was the only one they allowed in the room, you
know what I mean where they had got their first
conversation after not seeing each other since they were sentenced.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Yeah, how long do they keep them apart?

Speaker 1 (48:16):
It's like twenty something years? Crazy? Yeah? Yeah we were Yeah,
me and Love were there and Eric Eric got moved
to us. Or me and Eric were there and Love
got moved up.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
You still write them or keeping communication with absolutely?

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Yeah, I'm right now. I'm working.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Strange Music is working to uh I think you on
a email, Richie. They're working to get me back into
the facility that I parole from down at RJ. Donovan.
It's from now. It's like how San Quentin is. That's
what they're doing down there. And I'm going to go
back in and do a concert, make a donation. So
if you got some money for me, man, I need
your money so I could give it to the fellas

(48:54):
for this program. But uh, we're gonna go in there
and me and Tech nine Travis Sogwyn and go to
the facility, do a concert, talk to the boys about
this is how far I came. You know, Scott Buttneck
has programs there, the anti recidivism Coalition, the beautification program
that they have, right and so we're gonna raise money
for them. See if I can get them twenty thirty bands.

(49:15):
If I could beat that, that's awesome. But twenty thirty
bands real quick, that make a big difference in that environment.
But also to walk teching Travis with the camera rolling
in my cell that I left this cell to come
free and as a result of that, I'm sitting here.
So yeah, you know, we are working with Lyle and
Eric to be able to pull that off. There their
spearheading that program.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
And then you guys connected initially because you guys are
both high profile quote celebrity cases.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Yeah, that's kind of what happened. Like Lyle was on
the on the yard we were playing football. Somebody elbowed
him and I didn't like it, you know, they because
it was the first time I ever saw somebody hit
the yard like when I was with bo I still
was operating on some gangster shit and both was just
moving two guard block cribs, moving around the yard. We
didn't give a fuck about we rappers, you know. And

(50:06):
then we had a circumstance where like sug Knight, but
Lyle was the first person I got to see and
listen to how people perceived the famous person. And it
was like, damn, is that how you niggas talk about me?
Is you niggas talk about me like that? You know
what I mean? So I felt protective of him because
it was like selfishly protective of me, Like fuck that.

(50:28):
And so he they he was playing on the line
and he you know, he had hard and he works out.
He's strong.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Elbowed him in his lip, and I just was like,
Nigga the next motherfucker that tries to hurt somebody on purpose,
as opposed to just football boss up, it's up, it's
it's man and the whole team. Yeah, Nigga bother with
everybody agreed and and he got to do his thing,
you know. And he ain't to say he needed me
to do that for him, but somebody needed to say something.

(50:57):
Somebody had to fucking say something like Man, so you were.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Like kind of like protecting them loky, I mean high key.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
I stood up for him. Lyle could protect itself. He's
a sturdy man. You know, he's a good dude. Lyle
could protect itself. But what was happening, you know, he
was like it was being hey, like he was being hazed,
and he was tolerating it because you know, he wanted to.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Prove ft shit. Yeah yeah, And.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
I just like man could bus his lip, Like man,
the next motherfucker to do something that I think is intentional,
We're gonna get their ass whipped.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
So because that's the thing is like when we always
hear so much about like the politics of the California
prison system, right, but if like someone like the Menendez
brothers goes in, do they like who do they fall
in line with? Or are they just separate from everybody
because of their status of that?

Speaker 1 (51:39):
So that goes back to the point I was making
about the difference in my perspective as a criminal versus
the person who was a public interest had I know
the Roaddy case and I've been around Lyle by the
time they decided Okay, this motherfucker the MTV interview in
the Tuki Williams letter and the letter from Monster really
pushed it over the edge. But Lyll and Air operate

(52:02):
above the population and they move like politicians, not in
a bad way, but they're very much hyper aware of
the impact of their arrival and what that means and
their influence. You know, they got the Secretary of Corrections
on speed Now some of them were coos on the yard.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
It's one of the most high profile cases ever ever.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
And so did we talk about two very highly influential
motherfuckers that could pretty much get whatever they want done
done because they are doing it for the right reason,
you know what I mean. They're not really trying to
do some crazy shit. Most of the time. It's beneficial
to the population and something that the warden could be
proud to put in his hat. And so Law was

(52:44):
the one who started saying, you're using your you're using
your fame incorrectly, and you're having a rougher experience. So,
like I went through smuggling and beating rules, there is
no rule trying to record songs to spinning about four
years of inside the University of Eric in louoman Indez right,

(53:06):
and all of a sudden, I'm building studios on the
yard now with permission of the fucking wharden. It went
from it when we.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Were sneaking around it was contraband, and now you got permission.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
And now I'm building a fucking studio for anybody you
got there, anybody who's if you're staying out of trouble,
that's what you gotta be doing.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
And you can get studio time.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
You could get.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Studio time and a podcast on that yard. We were
able to do it.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Yeah, man, I was out there, little U terms there,
the big homie Ron Ron Ron from sixties. Uh I
had because a lot of those programs in wy Lyle
and Eric started. Because Eric had a lot of groups
that he was founding. He was found that there was
no anger management group. He would create it and find
a staff member willing to be the facilitator and get

(53:52):
the cops to sign off on it, the wharden to
sign off on it, get a space for it, and
now he can pand in out certificates. He's like, man,
people need this shit in their records when they go
to board. So between Dooney and the Menendez brothers, they
were the first ones to start allowing me to understand
that this shit could go in my file, and so
that's why I was butt naked with nothing in my file.
Really the show for you know, he doctor Lear had

(54:15):
to look for that ship. He was looking for it
and finding it. Like this motherfucker got the title to
a house in the central file because they have to
they have to notarize it. So it's like you you
you have a title to a home in your file,
you have anger management slips, you have Like, how come
why did I have to look for that? There's a
section that could have just been in It's a section

(54:36):
for in your file for that, and it's not there.
I had to go find it. And people who wrote
good stuff that I didn't know about counselor saying, you know,
mister Brown is one of the most intelligent men you'll meet, and.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
You know whatever they write knowing those guys, did you
watch the FX shows that Nah?

Speaker 1 (54:55):
I never watched it. I didn't have to. Yeah, you're
like I kind of percent of all of that shit, Yeah,
and all of it directly from them.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
But do those guys like are they like pretty sensitive
to like narratives that get put out about what happened,
and like, you know, obviously there's ever. I mean, I
feel like when you're that famous for such a huge
case like that, you almost can't let the noise get
to you because you'll fucking go crazy.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
I'm sure you will er crazier because you're gonna get
that experience is crazy, right, and so if you wasn't crazy,
you're gonna be though, you're gonna.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Get you pay attention to all of that, and like
what people think about.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
You, and yeah, and so you they have impenetrable senses
of self. Right, if you believe the cheers, you'll believe
the booze. If you believe the booze, you're gonna believe
the cheers. You gotta just kind of be right in
the middle, skat in the middle man for sure. Yeah, man,
it's the best way to do it. Even if you
if I always say you can't read the comments or if.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
You read them, you gotta read them. You gotta observe them.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Yeah, I can observe you don't have to internalize them.
Yeah for su Yeah, this I don't know this motherfucker
is like Oprah said, like they you not even talking
about me. I don't know you, and you don't know me.
You just talking about what you think and I don't
have to give a fuck. I have to worry. I
care what my bank account looked like. My babies is fed,
so that's more important to me.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
And they were like that.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
They were they could be impacted, you know, or they
would impact each other. One of them do an interview
and didn't talk about it to the other one first
or write about it.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
It's like, man, when you do you know it.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Have a a little bit of intensity involved in that
with the two of them, But for the most part,
they taught me to be so centrally focused and obsessed
with your primary goal, which for them was quality of life.
Because I've always said, man, you motherfuckers are two of
the best human beings I've ever met. You're going to
get out of here. Because they were always talking to

(56:44):
me about going home, but it was weird to talk
to them about it because they had life without the
possibility of Barak.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
So them working so hard on me.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
It's a trip when you think that these motherfuckers were
sentenced in the way where they were never getting home,
but they are the ones who are helping everybodybody else
on their way home. It was it was them and
nobody talked about it, and nobody stood on it, like don't.
I wouldn't want to be associated with that ship on
some gangster shit if.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
I like, what the funk without?

Speaker 1 (57:10):
You know what I mean? If I could sit in
this chair and not talk about that, I would, But
it would be some sucking shit because the truth is
they was in there helping every fucking body, including me,
anybody that was willing to do it. And so you
go to board, they'll deny you for not having AA,
they'll deny you for not doing NA, they'll deny you
for not doing anger management, but they also not going
to have that program. Right, So you out here on

(57:34):
this yard and none of the ship. The board is
asking you for us.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Yeah, yeah, you have any sort of access to do
And now can you get a transfer?

Speaker 1 (57:41):
When do you go to board? It's the transfer for
the board. Can you transfer somewhere that does have any
does they do they have it? Where you would transfer at?
So the best solution is you gotta deal with this warden.
You gotta write a memo and you gotta set that
bitch up. And these are the buy I wrote to NA.
They have agreed to give us. This applies and they're

(58:01):
asking if we give them a space, they will send
a facilitator in here, and like, okay, boom boardon signs
that bitch boom and here it goes. And he's like,
don't fuck me over right, I don't want nothing. Don't
be in there fucking these bitches. Don't do some crazy shit.
Don't smuggle nothing in my prison. I'm in a sign
that I'm putting my name on this and you got

(58:21):
to stand on that. And that's what they was doing.
And uh, as a result, I ended up with ten
million different kinds of certificates and all kind of shit
in the right spot of my file. So by the
time I went to board, it.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Was up YO, break it down to me, because you
going gold while incarcerated is crazy, but you're also in
a position that could be a vulnerable one where you're
in jail, so you could be taking advantage of there's
a lot of money, yeah happening. I mean even if
you sell one hundred thousand records in the nineties, like
that's like real money, right, Oh yeah, So how are

(58:55):
you keeping track of the money that's coming in from
all this music? And how how are you making sure
that like your finances are aligned, you're not getting fucked like.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Yeah, man, I did it like against it for many years.
You know, my own boys, big pool. You know, I
have people in place from from Garden Block who were
making sure shit was going away I wanted. And then
my relationship with Cedric was different from a lot of
other people. So Cedric protected me from a lot of things.

(59:25):
And then you know, I would get fifty thousand transferred
over here. And now, like what I like to say
is they have a cup of water, but I control
the spout, and so somebody could fuck off what I
put there. But all they did was teach me I
can't put nothing there. But even that was an expensive
learning experience. So you got my aunts. My family started

(59:48):
tripping like, hey man, such and such a set money
on fire. Like one of my aunts had a real
strong conversation with me about too. That same year that
Vengeance's Mind comes out and does one hundred thousand copies
and we're getting seven dollars a pop for these motherfuckers, right,
So we talked about a week we made seven hundred
thousand in a week before taxes and whatever, and so

(01:00:10):
my aunt was like, listen to me, and so you
know that I had a very strong visit with my
sister and my family, and I hired a lawyer. So like,
one of my guys came home from Afghanistan, and you know,
he was writing to me, and I always wrote the
military back still if I see in my eye acknowledged that,
you know, they riding on him, been a hummer, strapped

(01:00:30):
the fuck up, bumping You better bring your knight to
the yard. They mean it. You know what I mean
out here just do or die and they bump, bump do.
I made do or Die music, So it's a lot
of them move fucked with me. And so one of
the guys that I was writing back and forth with
came home and was like, man, I don't know what
the fuck I'm gonna do with my life. I was like,
I got you. And he started just doing any and
everything getting it done. And he went and found the lawyer,

(01:00:53):
He went and found the accountant, and then I used
the lawyer and accountant to build my LLC while I
was still there. So in two thousand and five, block
Start Entertainment Incorporated. I had That was my first iteration,
and I got all my articles done and then my
lawyer went and got the accountant. Really, so my guy
Mike found the lawyer the Won Tribe Law Corporation. I

(01:01:17):
got Scott Hervey from the Wine Tribe Law Corporation, and
then I ended up getting the accountant. And then those
two people. That was it. That was it, those two firms,
the law firm and my accountant firm. I was good.
And now if I want to send something somewhere, I will.
If I don't, I want. And then attorney client trust account.

(01:01:40):
So I started dumping all my money in there, because
if the courts or anybody wanted to see it, they
had to subpoena the records. You couldn't just say hit
the bank or just decide you want to know what
my finances are. I had it set up in an
attorney client trust account where they would even have to
notify us that that was something they wanted to do,
or my lawyer would have the ability to say that

(01:02:02):
this was something that he didn't have to reveal and
fight over it. At least give us a chance to
figure out what I wanted to do. So I got
set up by two thousand and five. I was set
up to have a life, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
And then I mean that's I mean, that's still like
fifteen years later from when you go in, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
About that, Yeah that was my fifteenth year.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Yeah, so that's like there's still a lot of money.
So what do you get out of prison? And you're
because you were able to take those you're you're fine,
Like you have to least some sort of financial security.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Yeah. Absolutely, And I came home with you know, my
ex wife was somebody who you know, and we had
trained that way when we first met, she was in
a small apartment, you know what I mean, just trying.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Was this someone you met before you went to jail?

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Nah? We met while I was doing my time, And
so how does that work? By the way, man, you
want to be loved? Man, you trace fine love.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Nah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Sometimes it's the hommies hooking you up or somebody you
have a peripheral thing with. But for me, you know,
I ran through every distraction that you can have in life.
In that environment, I was like Solomon and Ecclesiastics. I
did all the bullshit. So I got high, I got drunk.
The homie sending me bitches me Lynch and six did

(01:03:18):
a competition on who could get the most bitches to
tattoo your name on them. I won from the pen,
you know I won. We thought it was funny, you
know what I mean, like on some gangster shit. So
we in there. You develop a view of relationships based
highly on getting things done. You need a runner more
than you need a bitch to be in love with,

(01:03:40):
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
For sure, you need someone who can trust to go, Hey,
I need you to go call at the lawyer.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
I need you to go yeah. And i'ma love that.
I don't give a fuck what you do with your vagina.
You get in the bitch trying to convince you I
love you and all I and blah blah blah. Man,
you know how many bitches got pregnant while I was
doing my time from nineteen ninety two to two thousand
and two. I had no less than six or seven
bitches that was handling business for me up getting pregnant,

(01:04:05):
tattoos and everything. It's bitch pregnant the motherfucker. You know what, bitch,
You got my name all across your ass and nigga.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
Then skeeter it on.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
You didn't let a nigga skeat on my name, you
punk ass bitch. No Diddy. Did they all tell you
I'm gonna wait for you. Yeah, they all selling you
the same bullshit you selling them. It is what it is,
right and you you providing for them and they making
runs and it's a job. They making some money, you
making some money. Mutually beneficial, mutually beneficial. So you by

(01:04:32):
the time I got to the point where, oh I'm
gonna be in this relationship, you know, you feel you
get you come in and that aware of all this
trash and it is. It's trauma too. It's trauma. You
might have liked a few of these bitches, so it's
some trauma. So now you you got to a female
that you're looking at, like, man, maybe I could maybe,
maybe we may be able to do this real thing
I want to do because now I got the accountant

(01:04:53):
and the lawyer. I got a little bit of a bag.
I can send her ten bands here, I could send
her five bands there. It's different, you know what I mean.
So it's like you gonna stand on business, you know
what I mean. So you got somebody and she was
the type of person who would graduated college was you know,
I had a corporate psychology, and I'm instilling this gainst

(01:05:14):
the shit in that and so by the time I
got home, she had whipped them some ass, and the
lawyers and we had whipped some ass. And you know
on the seven hundred thousand dollars house here, you know,
coming from a home that I think and we have
one in Sparks. And when they built that Tesla Battery
factory sold that and got a bag and used that

(01:05:34):
bag to get the house. You know, the bigger the
bigger spots. So I don't even know I'm getting out
and I got a home in the gated community in
Las Vegas.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
And I'm I'm still in the pen crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
And the title for that is in my in my
file because I had to you know, I had to
notarize it, so the notary come in, you got to
stamp at the record and that went in my file.
So they knew that too. You know, that motherfucker out
of the house. He got this, He got that. They
was aware of it in the business that I built.
So yeah, I started wanting to have a real life
for myself. And now i'm your brain development. I hit

(01:06:07):
twenty five, I knew, like, damn man, it's a lot
of bullshit going on. I'm full of shit. Everybody's full
of shit. But the music was honest. I was being
honest in them lyrics, and so I just went into
start adulthood.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
I decided, like, I want to be grown. My body
was already. I told one of my little homies this, nigga,
you know, you could just wake up in the morning
and be like, I'm grown and you would be right.
He's like, what you mean. I'm like, what is your
I said, nigga, your New Year's resolution is going to
be to be a man, be an adult. Your body
already did it. It's just now decision got to be

(01:06:42):
mad and I had already done that. Oh two was
when I started my tenth year. I'm rocking and rolling
that whole time, any and everywhere I go, Right, it's
Melee's all this bullshit, dope, smuggling shit in making music,
rocking and rolling. I get to two thousand and two,
two thousand and three, two thousand and four, two thousand
and five, if I got the lawyer, I got the count,
and I got a woman that's going hard on some

(01:07:04):
adult shit. And I'm thinking, like, all right, if I
got to do the rest of my life, I'm gonna
do it like this. And then over the course of
that from five to twenty twelve, you have I start
going to the psychologist Doney tell me to do these
programs right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
That becomes like, oh, there's a light at the end
of the tunnel. Potentially there's a.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Way of life. I didn't even I just wanted to
if I was gonna be in there for the rest
of my life, I wanted to do it like a
g I wanted to be a grown ass man. I
wanted to be in control of whatever part of my
destiny I could control, and so I focused on that.
And then Miller versus Alabama start popping up, and shit
was on the cover of the USA today. I was like, ooh,
we like nigga a big homie said. People started, hey man,

(01:07:48):
hey man, oh Jesus talking, this is real. This is
on the Assembly four and then boom, by twenty twelve,
the legislation for Senate Bill two sixty member. My little
hommy Bird, my young brother Bird actually brought that paper
to me because they knew I hated that. Don't bring
me this shit talking about I'm going home. Same way.
I didn't want to do the lilon Eric's talking about

(01:08:09):
this shit. I'm where, I'm fine, making my fucking burritos,
watching Sunday night football. Bro, bring me this fucking bullshit
have me down the street emotionally and my space. So
I'm like whatever, and this nigga was like he was like, ak,
listen to me, ax, listen to me. He's standing at
the door and he's like, you're going home. You're going home.
And he slid the papers through the door, even crying,

(01:08:31):
and we took off so I didn't have to see
him cry. And I read that shit. I was like,
what the fuck. I went and jumped on the phone,
called home and it's like an whatever. You know, we
hear this all the time, and my lady called, uh,
my lawyer. I had Charles Carbum and she caught the
lawyer and he was like, yeah, this is real and

(01:08:52):
we'll have him out of there. It's gonna take me
about three years, but he's coming home.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
And I was like, who, So now you got something
to look forward to.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Yeah, so now we're hopelessness to maybe to hope to thinking.
I was thinking, now, man, I think I might get
the fuck out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
So you had an incident in twenty ten where you
almost got killed in prison. They like to say it
like I almost got killed when you got stabbed. Yeah, yeah,
I did get Now this is in the middle of
the hope, at the end of the you know you see, yeah,
you know there's a light at the end of the tunnel.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
It was a lot going on at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Yeah, So what happened was it? So, from what I understand,
you were essentially approached to like help put out some
music from somebody in prison, and you said no, or
so like give me the What happened?

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
I think even the approach to give music was a
red heerent. What really happened, and then we could talk
about this now, was that I went on an attorney visit.
I read the rules, and then the rules your attorney
can do a deposition and bring a recording device. Okay,
And so I'm still on my shit and this time
what I'm motivated by is I wanted to record from

(01:10:00):
songs that represented my current philosophy. Yeah, where your head
is courtly, Yeah, I felt like I was being the
kid with the gun to his head was sixteen when
he took that picture that unforgiving x raighted. You know,
I was a different person. So I'm like, I wanted
to make sure I could get some music done. So
I go out with my lawyer and I'm recording the
music and the rules. They can't listen to your attorney visit,

(01:10:24):
but the cop in the room can hear me rapping
in there, and so he don't know what to do.
And they don't know the fucking rules. They learn the
rules by fucking the rules up and getting corrected. They
don't know the fucking book. We know the book better
than they do, right, And so this dude calls his
sergeant like, man, I don't know what to do.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
But this dude is in there recording.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
He's rapping, he's recording raps, and the sergeant busts in
the room and he picked all the equipment up and
he took the fucking raps and he cuts my lawyer out.
And I'll tell him, hey, man, you're making the mistake stards,
you're making the mistakes stars.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
He's like, yeah, you get.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
The fuck out of here. The fuck you think you're
you and take your eyes back to your cell. I said,
you don't have to talk to me like that, Sir.
You're making a mistake, Sarge, You're making a mistake. So
I go back and they put me in my cell.
About thirty minutes later, they called me to the program office.
Or walk in the program office and I can see
the people standing there. Now, the lawyers are here, I
can see the higher ups are here, and I sit

(01:11:20):
in the chair. Nick Large and is standing there looking
like he fucking got a canary in his mouth because
he got checked. And the captain is there, and they
got these fucking papers they want me to sign, and
I'm like, yeah, what we're doing and they like, well,
mister Brown, looks like we have ourselves a pickle. Whatever
you may have been doing is not against the rules.

(01:11:40):
I was like, that's why I was doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Yeah, I'm aware.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
I'm aware of that, But what they would like is
for me to talk about it outside of that fucking
legal visit, because I'm only protected that in that legal visit.
So I'm aware of that, so I'm not about to
acknowledge nothing that I was doing. So they were like, well,
how many songs did you record? And I didn't answer
the question, and then I finally said it is do
you think I'm stupid? Like DoD we think I'm stupid.

(01:12:06):
I know what's going on here. You got checked. I
told you to leave me alone. I told you you
were making a mistake. And when I'm done with you,
you're gonna be working in the tower outside of the
prison by yourself for eight hours with a pair of
binoculars watching tumbleweeds when I'm done with you, cause you
should have left me the fuck along. So they don't
like that. They don't like that. That's too much power.

(01:12:28):
They got to leave this dude the fuck alone. And
he got a lawyer, and he's got he's got some money.
I'm too protected. We can't send me back to the
yard and X ray it dies and that's gonna be okay,
Like it ain't that kind of circumstance. So what what
can they do? The Son of Sam lawsuit didn't work.
The San of Sam Long got struck down by the
Kyle count your Supreme Court. This is not against the rules.

(01:12:51):
What I just tried to do. I don't even have
possession the contra man. And you can't even say that
you heard even you heard that. You can't even if
you say you heard it. You're in the checkmate, right.
So give me my ship and I'm I'm going back
to my cell correct, and it's like, yeah, that's what
it is. So I go back to this cell. Sergeant's
up in that tower, you know that version of that tower,

(01:13:14):
and his friends are mad about that. So now I
got this crop of angry cops who who are upset
that they just got defeated like seos, and I get
warned about that. Get I get warned that hey.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
There's they ain't fucking with you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
There are there's cops who are fans of me and
that are hearing the talk, and they're like, man, these
dudes are advocating for something to happen to you. Man,
be aware of that. Be aware. And I'm like, I
don't give a fuck. Like if somebody think I did
all that time and I'm standing on that yard that
day and don't know that this is going down, then
they they ain't never did no time. So I'm outside

(01:13:52):
because I didn't give a fuck. Bro, I've seen worse
than that. To me, these was kids trying to they
was playing, they playing tough. They had everybody had an
opportunity to go be tough. I didn't change my life,
got my shit together. I'm just dropping me some rhymes.
So approaching me about doing anything for them. Was we
used to do that to people, you know what I mean, Like, Hey, hommie,

(01:14:13):
what's that? And you got my my five dollars, you
get mad de yoda in that tooth paste I gave you.
Ain't man all we with and we was gonna anyway.
It was gonna happen. It wasn't no getting out of it.
So when them dudes started that whole make an album
for me thing, or we need two grand or this
or that, I was like, man, I'm not giving a
nigga a souper on. I'm not doing nothing I don't

(01:14:34):
want to do. And again, I'm the biggest motherfucker on
the yard, right. I didn't start peeling the weight off
until I got to board and my lawyer was like,
you're a black man with all this hair and all
these muscles and all this. You're terrifying to look at
to the people you were about to. My lawyer told
me to cut my hair. My lawyer told me to
lose some weight. My lawyer told me the guy the

(01:14:57):
perception is everything.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
And then my health told me keep it this way.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
You know what I mean. Now that I'm fifty years
old and free, but at the time. I'm not worried
about nobody doing nothing and me and not because of
no tough shit. I just believe, man, I believe in
something greater than me. Man. They call it God, people
call it the universe. Man, Alahuac bar is how I feel. Nigga,
if it's meant for me today, let's go. I want

(01:15:24):
to know. I'm not waking up and thinking this nigga
could whoop me. You gotta come and do it. You
get taking a life, they call it you. I'm not
giving you shit. And so we was outside and niggas
walked up and I see that these you don't have
no business coming this direction. I'm at a table for
Cripson blood. You know what I mean. It's a piru
from Cedar Block over here, it's in San Diego, Keyway,

(01:15:45):
it's a brother from the Bay. It's just a it's
a black table. And so I just my instincts is
the nigga got too close. I went straight at him
and back back bap, and he got dropped. And it
turns out that that was the person that had that
the primary weapon that would have been most harmful. So
like D the biggest threat. Yeah, and it was good
because he was the tough one. And so now everybody

(01:16:08):
else is thinking now and you're supposed to run. Somebody
pulled the knife on you, you're supposed to run. But
burying Dony and others, I knew that if you turn
your back, you're done. You gotta nigga, we gotta do this.
And then doing so, you could look that man in
his eyes, keV. You could look him in his eyes
and see after position Nigga's on the ground, you could

(01:16:28):
see they made him do it. You didn't want to
come up to do it. You don't know we doing
this now. I'm talking to people. We in the same
amount of trouble. If we stop right now or if
we keep going this up, it's this is it. And
I'm kind of it's a couple of them that I
wanted to do something too for a while, and I
wasn't in a position in my life to be able
to start nothing, to just jump off. I couldn't start nothing,

(01:16:52):
but you could defend yourself. But I could defend myself.
And so I got to beat a couple motherfuckers up,
and I got a couple scratches and scrapes and bruises,
but ain't nobody. He damn, they're killed nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Damn.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
That's a motherfucking lie.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
And so the reason they think that lie is because
when I was getting so I'm in the room and
they looking, they examining, and I got a motherfucker asking
me questions, and he's and the cops are mad about it.
The nurses and shit are angry at this dude, and
they like, hey, man, excuse me, and they were, you know,
checking out to see if I'm in immortal danger right now.

(01:17:23):
And he's like, who did it? Who did it? And
so I closed my eyes and leaned back. I swear
to God, I swear on my mother's life, fully, fully,
conscious fully, fucking fine. Other than these scratches and whatever
adrenaline through the roof, I don't feel no pain, of course,
And I leaned back and I just just quietly, just left,
just very quietly. And they responded like, oh my god,

(01:17:46):
he's crashing, and so they start trying to take care
of me. I was listening to this whole thing happened,
and that was how the investigator got ran out the room,
and so everybody ran with that. X almost died, like whatever,
if that makes me, people feel better than good for them.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
Yo, at what point in time, because you know there
were five people involved in the initial incident that led
you to go to prison. Anytime somebody loses the life,
right right, right right, there's at what point in time
do you face that and kind of come to peace?
Like you said you had empathy, you eventually ended up

(01:18:22):
getting empathy for what happened, Like, yeah, like myself as
a child. Yeah, like at the end of the day,
like it was a crime that had a victim. So
at what point in time did you kind of like
come to terms with the incident that night that changed
your life forever?

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
I think I came to terms with that around two
thousand and two, in that window where you know too,
I don't know how old I was by the end.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Maybe I'll take thirty and four.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
So yeah, I'm twenty eight, so I'm old enough to
have had that brain thing happen, and I'm old enough
to know it happened because I can like, doesn't look
the same, colors, don't look the same. Motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Once you hit a certain age, it's like you put
a dupe pair of glasses on. You see the whole
world different it really is.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
And I felt like going from twenty five to thirty
and then going from thirty to thirty five, thirty five
to forty. I've had these stages where life looked different,
and so I had I had trying to reconcile that
within myself. I did a total of nine years of
solitary confinement over making music, you know, getting locked up.

(01:19:29):
Three years here, two years here, bust therapy transfer me,
I get off.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
And that's when it's just you and your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
It's just you and your thoughts.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
When the door closes you either I can hear so
like I'm in the hole at corkorand I'm in the shoot,
and so they have said, I'm in the ASU. I'm
into what they call Z unit. And there's a window
that's just a slice, right, it's a slice a rectangle
and standing up and you go look out that window

(01:19:59):
and there's a white wall and that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
Left and right, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
And I got another one of those slits in the roof,
and every now and then I see the sun passed
by and magneto shit. And so I'm in this room
and the bed is just stell is a is a
concrete slab built out of the wall like a cave.
They built out of concrete and it has a mattress
on it, and then the wall itself where the sink

(01:20:23):
is is steel, and you have a sink and a toilet.
And I was and that was me in that room
and mail and in some books, you know what I mean.
And so I'm listening to people crack. I can hear
the dude down there that can't take it no more.
And I hear them running down there to go in there.
You gotta come back. They got to come with the

(01:20:44):
shield and the masks on and open his door and
go wrestling. And maybe he smears shit all over his
body and water all on the floor trying to get
out slippery, and they fighting. I can hear him down there,
and next thing you know, they got him on Senna Kwon.
He running around ruling, you know what I mean. So
I can see the options. I can see the options.

(01:21:05):
So the options were, I'm waking up in the morning,
I'm gonna say a prayer, I'm gonna work out, I'm
gonna drink my coffee. I'm gonna work out, and got
my little pack of coffee, little steak coffee pack, and
I'm gonna work out. I'm gonna take a bird bath.
I'm gonna clean up my mess. I'm gonna get my
reading in. I'm gonna finish my reading. I'm gonna write
my letters. I finish that. I'm gonna write me some songs.

(01:21:27):
I finish that. I'm gonna do some reading and go
to sleep, and I'm gonna do this.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
This is just that Roustie routine, like a machine.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
Like a machine, and I'm gonna put in what I
want to put in. So I started reading anything that
had to do with Solomon, anything that had to do
with Jesus, anything that had to do with Mohammed, anything
that had to do with Buddha, anything that had to
do with like John F. Kennedy, RFK, Martin Luther, King,
Malcolm X. I'm like, I'm constructing a father figure for

(01:21:55):
myself out of historical figures and quotes in Winston Church
the most g But what the fuck was wrong with Hitler?
If any was something wrong with Hitler? Was he was
he right?

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
Or was he tripping? I read mine Camp.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
I read it like I want to know if I
think you were tripping, Like, oh yeah, money was tripping.
Money was tripping a little bit but I wanted to know.
I wanted to understand historical figures, the Prince, Nicolo, Machiavelli, uh, everything,
everything that I could get my hands on, the play,
those caves, the Socratic method, fucking Malcolm Gladwell. When the

(01:22:33):
roots dropped, the tipping point, like I went into I
did a deep dive. I went in the rabbit hole,
the tipping point. Oh, Malcolm Gladwell, Like, who the fuck's
Malcolm Gladwell? What else did he write? And you know, Freakonomics.
I went from Freakonomics and got to tipping Point and
then I got to Outliers, and Outliers changed my fucking
life when I read that book.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
So like being in the hole, like that's the approach
people should take, but the other approaches you let like
you can't take it, and then you end up going
crazy to try to get out to what to maybe
go to the fucking like if you end up like yeah,
because at least that's you're getting out.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
Yeah, at least you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Got your pudding and you got you and take your
little pills and it's better than that. Maybe, I guess,
I don't know. I didn't want nothing to do with it.
I felt like they couldn't have my brain, Doctor Markle.
I've read what he wrote about surviving a concentration camp
and what he had that the last thing he had
left when he didn't know if he was getting gassed tomorrow,

(01:23:31):
all he could do is control what was going on
here and here. That was it, and that's how it
felt like. I'm in the corner and I'm not going
under the bed, so we gotta fight. If you keep
coming this way, we're gonna have to fight. I'm not
going under the bed, you know. And it's a still slap.
You can't go under the bed anyway, so like it's
a concrete slab. So that was my philosophy.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
You and brother lynch Man, obviously you guys are tied
together forever.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
Forever, Doctor Dry and Snoop Dogg in Northern California.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
Can you give me an idea of you know, because
Lynch ended up working with Strange, right he did. I
don't know if he still is or not, but he
but he you know, he had signed with Strange And
was that kind of your introduction to Tech and Travis?
And because when you got out, did you already have

(01:24:19):
a situation figured out with strange music.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
So while I was still incarcerated, and this will bring
us to a couple of people we mentioned before. I
was still incarcerated making music, and Brian Shafton actually ended
up putting out music for me while I was incarcerated.
So Brian Shafton gave me a deal in twenty ten eleven,

(01:24:44):
twenty eleven, like, I'm coming right off of this shit,
because I did get my songs recorded and out, So
I'm coming right off of this big old fight, and
which was the police sent the niggas at me, right,
so I get up because I put the sergeant in
that in the corner of the earth. So I come
from that to I get to the hot desert, which

(01:25:06):
at the time is the most dangerous yard. So I
get my reward for not getting in trouble because I
was attacked, right. I didn't even gotta say shit, it's
all this happened on camera. And think about this an
attempted murder if the speculation is a trip. So anybody
that's against that have been through some gangs, the shit,
we just gonna do it like this, kiv An attempted

(01:25:27):
murder on a prison yard, That'd be like an apartment
complex that has' there's cameras everywhere, but these cops have
also been on this yard with all of us for
seven years, five years at a time. Right, we know whoever?

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
You know all these guys. I see you guys every
fucking day.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
Yeah, I know the motherfuckers at my gym. Now it's
only been two years, but I know who that is.
I know Bruce, I know Miss Tina Hi. Good morning,
Miss Tina Hi. On the ray right right, same thing,
so on camera, located weapons, they didn't disappear. Cops identify everybody. No,
all parties involved and attempted murder. And there's no there's

(01:26:09):
no court case.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
That shit's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
No court case King's County right, Colinga, California. There's no
court case. Not one person ended up in court because
you have an uncooperative, uncooperative victim, right, victim, So if
don't matter if you won. So I did nine months
locked up for nine months as a result of that

(01:26:33):
for escalating to the point of not being a victim.
That's what they were trying to do to me.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
So because you defended yourself, you no longer became a victim.
And because you weren't going to necessarily cooperate into the
extent they wanted to. It didn't become a case.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
I didn't I did, I didn't. I wasn't enough of
it was I wasn't enough of a victim. I defended
myself too well. When your choices are to die right
or or or or win, which is to live, it's
literally a life in that morning. How closer to everybody
they would have Maybe, yeah, I had to get I
had to want me to die out here, But.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
Think about how many how many times that happens in prison,
where just that kind of shit just gets swept into
the rug, and like, people don't have justice, and there's
family members out here that you want to know what
happened to their.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
Fucking kid, and oh I saw a lot of that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Yeah, And then it's like it doesn't really matter because
they look at you as second class citizens at this point,
and you're never gonna get your your true justice, never
for that family.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
It's a difficult environment to have empathy for it, right,
So to get people to realize that if you're too
defiant and the cops want you to die, because the
existence of a neo out here, there's somebody walking around
we can't fucking punish, right, We can't stop him from
making music. We can't we write him up as a

(01:27:51):
slap on the risk. We can't take his money. He's
going to visit, he's he's got his lawyers. He's like,
what the fuck do you do? Right, Well, we're gonna
get him what we're gonna whacking. We're gonna smut you up,
accuse you of a bunch of shit.

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
How do you get away? We're recording that album.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
People who can't read the rules, who can't even really understand,
are easy to manipulate for sure, because if he did, yeah,
how did he get away with that? Because there's no rule,
dumb ass, it's not against the rules. But I'm not
explaining that to motherfuckers who come up to me, because again,
I'm a black male who comes from a crypt background.

(01:28:27):
I don't got to explain myself to no motherfucker that
ain't from what I'm from. I don't owe you no
fucking explanation. And if I did give you an explanation,
you want to know how I got it in here?
You want to know how I did whatever you want?
What do you want to know that for? And who
the fuck are you you know what I mean, And
I'm big on that. I can go find out nigga
even told on all your homies, Like I'm not telling

(01:28:50):
you how public. Yeah, I would have gave somebody some game.
Hey man, you want to do your music. I respect that.
I've done that before, where somebody was busting and I
see him and I'll be like, hey, check it out.
And I pulled somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
We locked up with any other artists who ended up
kind of getting out and doing something.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Well, I mean, Razkas was there, you know me and
I remember writing back and forth to Flesh and Bone
man Stack a good dude, and so like me and Stack,
we both you know, I started going to uh Islamic
surfaces services. I started going to Juma and doing Ramadan,
and so so was Flesh, and so we both had

(01:29:27):
took Shahada, which is a part of my story y'all
never really told. So, like a part of what changed
for me was was getting into Islam, really really digging
into Islam.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
And like you kind of dug into every religion, I dug.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
Into all of them and land because I really did.
I did dig into all of them. Yeah you should,
but I landed in a place of I kind of
liked how heat, I like mono theism, I like I
liked the concept of of this this particular construct. So
I hung out there if the point of studying all
that stuff was to find somewhere to hang out, and
I just thought, you know, the earliest oldest philosophy that

(01:30:03):
I could find, that was what I wanted to rock with,
you know what I mean, And so I kind of
landed there. But yeah, we used to be given, you know,
get a letter to the e man and you take
it over there, and they were like, yeah, man, you know,
it was beautiful to be in touch with everybody like that.
But like dope ass people, the dopest rappers I ever
met in prison never got out, Like there's a there

(01:30:26):
was a cat from Compton. There's a cat from content fuckers,
because man, there's a cat from Compton who I think
was arguably the dopest rapper I ever ran into. Like
I think he was doper than it niggas on the streets,
like right at that if motherfuckers had heard him and
we because you know, we go back and forth, he
spit a rhyme. Everybody that thought they could rap was

(01:30:47):
gonna be my rapper to the point I was a
battle rapper like you had to be. And so yeah,
I ran into a lot of motherfuckers with a lot
of talent, but not necessarily who came home and did
nothing with it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Can you talk about just like how important you and
Lynch's French has been to just yeah everything, man, like
I'm sure you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
Know, yeah, that's my brother. I love Lynch. So so
what I'm fifteen h.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
Sixteenth, So December seventeenth, nineteen ninety one, nineteen ninety excuse me.
We have a party for my grandmother's death day. And
my cousin Nicole brings six with her and six six
and Lynch and all of them were older than me,
so you know, we were trafficking in different circles. I
would come up to fuck with the big homies and

(01:31:33):
go back into what I was doing. And Lynch was,
you know, into hip hop that it was with the
dancing and flipping and the rough busting rhymes, you know.
But he from Tama Sharon and Kirk Waite, like he
from the gardens. He was outside, but he was outside
doing some shit that some dope shit, while we was
doing dumb shit. And so like me, and Bo are like,
I say, Ozone, but they was like, well they was

(01:31:55):
like Ozone and Turbo and me and Bo was like
old dog and can okay, you know what I mean?
And so six showed up and I had all my
rhymes on the walls, you know, thumb tacked and sheet
protectors and shit, write a new one, put it on
the wall, read them and I would just read my rhymes.
That was kind of a thing for me. I kind
of steal a tape of paper to the wall and
just do free form righting and shit.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
And so, uh, six is like who wrote this shit?
And it was like, you know, it's my shit.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
And I've been working with DJ Tantrum, Percy Hunter from
Flat Dog Crip, and so me and Percy was working
on what ultimately would become the first half a Psychoactive
and the entire niggas in Blackie Pee that I did.
And Six was like, oh, nah, man, tomorrow, I'm gonna
bring my brother over, you know. And then Lynch was
like had the name Ice Cold. His hip hop name

(01:32:43):
was Ice Cold, and six is was stroubbed like he
was you know, them niggas was tickers, and so he
bring them over. We get there and I'm like, it's Kevin.
Nigga's Kevin Man, you know what I mean. So I know,
but Lynch. We look at Lynch like, oh, that nigga
was talented out there on some it was our little
Michael Jackson outside and so uh we bust rhymes all

(01:33:05):
night and they like, man, if you could pay for
your studio time, we'll put you in a real studio.
So I'm like, hell yeah. I went to the big
homies and told him what I wanted to do. I
talked to Donkey Kong from PJ Watt shout out to
shout out to my niggas from pj's Donkey Kong gave
me you know, he hooked me up. I went to
my big homie Ken, Big Ken Martin BK. He hooked

(01:33:25):
me up, and I grind and grind and grind and grind.
I was slinging on in the fifties, slanging in the
Cadillac apartments, slanging in and flat in the flats, and
I paid for my studio time. And what we would
do is like I'll get six hours and I'll do
four hours, and Lynch would help us. We had all
my samples, like almost everything came from Percy, and then

(01:33:48):
Lynch will be like, hey, we should do this or
we should do that. But Lynch gave us the process.
He sat there in the engineering chair with the engineer
next to him and kind of made sure everything. He
doctor drake my shit, you know what I mean. And
so the difference is I came out first because of
I had access to money and I'm selling dope and
I was on some gangs and shit, so I really

(01:34:09):
was the baby.

Speaker 3 (01:34:09):
But I was just moving faster than everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:34:12):
And then bo came home while I was like halfway
through psychoactives. So like Bo's first times in a real
studio was with me going in there to work with me,
work with Lynch and yeah, Lynch Lynch, Lynch was right there.
So Boom. I ended up going to juvenile Hall on
a joy ride. I'm joy riding. We was gonna go
clap some shit up and we got pulled over. So

(01:34:33):
I got a joy ride, the hommy got joy ride,
the homey took a pistol, and the honey got a
GTA Boom. I'll spend a weekend in juvenile Hall. My
mam would come and get me Monday. And during that weekend.
Big Meek actually was in Juvenile Hall with me, and
Big Meek is like got the cut list, he got
the staying, he got.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
The guy who helped finance.

Speaker 3 (01:34:53):
Yeah what Cedric was doing right right?

Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
And he Sebo's little brother, and so like, I'm on
twenty third Street and bad bad in the gardens, which
is really a red street. It's like going toward the
blood side in twenty fourth Street right next to it, right,
So I'm slanging coke at Tracy Butler House and Meek
is right next door. I used to see him all
the time, but they was. I always thought this nigga
is a grown ass man. So I found out he

(01:35:18):
was a kid when I went to Juvenile Hall and
the nigga was in there and I was rapping and shit.
So people don't know who x Rate it is because
my cover was drawn by brother Lynch and it was like,
well I didn't that wasn't even my name. I had
just said it in a line and a rap and
people just started calling me ax rated, like how Scarface
got his name?

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
And then.

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
Lynch was like, nah, I gotta be r AI D
E D And he drew my first logo and drew
my first cover. So that shit is on consignment and
Tower Records. I'm in Juvenile Hall and I'm spitting rhymes
and shit and it's like, Nigga.

Speaker 3 (01:35:51):
You asked Righted.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
I was like yeah, he was like, Nigga, this is
what we gotta do. Blah blah blah. So me Meek
had been looking for me. So I go home and
I on a humbug reach out to Meek. We ended
up rolling all over to town, me and my met
of you brother, and we just he started paying for
every motherfucker thing, and then you know, he kind of
put us with Cedric, so we was in the thick
of it. By the time. I literally had ten out

(01:36:14):
of eleven songs for Psychoactive done the day we met
with Cedric Wo. So I made one song. I made
that Sickness, the last song on the album, was the
only song left and Meek had. We did the first
six by ourselves, and Lynch got involved, and then the
next five happened with Meek and Lynch and all the
way involved, and that was that was how we ended

(01:36:35):
up taking that shit to Cedric. But so when you
get locked up, Lynch is still with you throughout the
whole yeah, he wrapped the whole time like we just
always was together when it when it musically. When we
came for twenty four Deep, Lynch called him. You know,
I had me do the verses and shit, I called Lynch. Rather,
he had me do the little little part of the

(01:36:56):
verse for on the answer machine. He said my name
everywhere he did five me really in it. And then
I go from that to Season of the Sickness. So
Season of the Sickness was actually the name of my
Exorcist album. See, I had been working on what would
be So I was going from Psychoactive to Season of

(01:37:16):
the Sickness. That was my plan. And when I got
locked up, I think like I was dead. Really, I
was gone. It's like this niggas facing the death penalty.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
It is for sure. So I'm gone, Why all count
your life's over?

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
And Exorcist is like this mythological thing that nobody believes
is real, you know what I mean. And so I'm like,
or what Season of the Sickness? So I'm like, yeah,
you know, I'm gonna do Season of the Sickness. Blah
blah blah. I'm talking to Cedric. I'm kind of telling Lynch.
I'm blessing rhymes on the phone with Lynch and shit.
And so before I get the game from mac dre

(01:37:49):
and I start recording what became got renamed the Exorcists.
They made they titled Lynch's album Season of the Sickness,
and so that is how that happened. But that was
that was one hundred percent the name of what people
now know as Exorcists.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
I'm wondering, like, like when you guys would was there
like a conscious effort to make sure that the content
was extremely dark and edgy and like kind of crazy
at times?

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
Yeah, I think that me as in MC originally initially
were picking all that up.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
Can we be it's funnest, funny, funny, my bad.

Speaker 1 (01:38:30):
So you end up in a circumstance where uh, where
were were we at the Season of the Sickness? The
co conscious effort to make crazy shit. So we end
up doing where I have n w A straight out
of Compton and n W A Niggas for Life. And
they started getting a little extreme for sure, to kill
a hooker, to kill a prostitute easy, he was a

(01:38:52):
little extreme for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:38:54):
And then the ghetto boy joes hell extreme.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
Yeah, like my playing tricks on me was like a
real like dark record. Low kis like you know what
I mean, grip it on that other level. It was
a dark album.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
The entire album was tricky, and so you had Chucky,
you had all of that going on, and so we
end up in a circumstance where we were influenced by that,
you know, and I know about Sean, I know about gangs,
the nip, you know, it's people doing ship, and so
we were we were we kind of mixing this game
banging ship with that crazy ship. And I was deliberate.

(01:39:26):
So me and Lynch kind of got into this thing,
met him and six of who could say the wildest ship.
It just was really us amongst ourselves because you know,
I with the nigga nuts and guts, I came up
with that, and Lynch just was like he came up
with this baby killer ship and six. So we kind
of just humans and ship. Lynch Lynch did that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, what was the the you better pray
when't you see we put that down up? We were
talking about feed this kid someone else's Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:39:52):
Yeah, so yeah we did. And I think that's where
the fracture happened where Lynch Lynch kept going extreme, and
I maybe because of my circumstances winning to some gangster shit.

Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
Yeah, because you also like couldn't be talking about certain shit.
And then someone the jail, here's the shit, like, yo,
you want that crazy shit dog like you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
Like I wasn't impacted by that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
I was. I think we we had we diverted in intent.
I think because I was writing fantastical songs all the
way up until we got to Duce Fat of Life
got it. So I was still in that psychology. But
when it got to the point to start my trial,
it was a sober thing. I got splashed through the

(01:40:34):
cold bucket of water. So now you got that's where
I show up as an individual. So now Due Fat
of Life is the first Honorey Brown song. That's the
first song I wrote without a character when I wasn't
in a character, even if it was informed by my
life experiences, and sure it still was for sure, you

(01:40:55):
know what I mean. So Due fot of Life happened.
Then I write Deadly Game, then I write Missaying to
p Then ILL write Land of the Loss. You know
what I mean. I started going in a different I
became more and Scarface did this too, and that helped me, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
Yeah, like Scarface became Brad Jordan.

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
Yeah, he moved more. He merged Brad Jordan's Scarface, right,
and then also like what.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
He started to do on his own was very different
than what you would hear with the Ghetto Game exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:41:22):
And I was inspired by that as an MC because
I wanted to where am I going, you know, And
I'm looking at Ice Cube, I'm looking at Scarface. Here
comes Tupac, I got Here's Eve forty, you got Spice one.
I'm looking at everybody, and I'm like, what am I doing?
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:41:38):
And I wanted I just I wanted to be dope
as fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:41:41):
And the ingredients to that to me was I had
to get into I gotta start telling some of this shit,
this the truth, right, you know what.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
I mean I'm going through that's on my brain.

Speaker 1 (01:41:49):
Yeah, And I moved myself and other people into that direction.
You know, Bo was always because of why having issues
with the police. He always had a of a militant
thing going, you know, he was super ice Cube influenced,
and so he had a little bit of that militant
thing going. And then I ended up politics popped into

(01:42:09):
my music because I was in a political pressure cooker. Also,
you're reading a lot a lot, yeah, and under attack
by the media and watching Time Warner, watching all these
cultural things and feeling stuff about it, and it started
pouring into my music.

Speaker 3 (01:42:25):
And that was where me and Lynch diverted.

Speaker 1 (01:42:27):
That went in different directly musically, Yeah, yeah, philosophically.

Speaker 2 (01:42:31):
For sure, you get out, you end up. Well, it's
crazy that your first strange album was last year, right, yeah?
It well, yeah, how big of a moment was it
for you to because Tech nine is somebody who was
probably just starting to get active when you went to prison,

(01:42:54):
because he was coming out to LA doing the wake
Up Show. I want to say, what was the soundtrack
he was on, Richie Gang related? Yeah, yeah, exactly, and
then this strange music thing comes and it's kind of
like a new version of what like black Market was
like in the early nineties. Said, and then he ends

(01:43:14):
up kind of becoming like the I mean not kind
of quite literally, like changing the game for independent artists
and the biggest independent rapper ever. How like aware and
hip are you to what text doing? I'm sure you're
hearing about it through Brian or through Brother Lynch, Like yeah,
but to get out connect with him, Like, how aware
were you of the Strange music I guess legacy that

(01:43:37):
was being built while you were incarcerated.

Speaker 1 (01:43:38):
I watched the whole thing happen. I watched all of that.
I watched the when he popped up with devastatingly with questions.
He had already been through the quest thing. You know,
different groups he was a part of.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
Earlier Exangelic and that's the whole era and like almost
like a similar thing where like we've seen Tech kind
of grow from being like the crazy guy with the
face paint and then like you know, kind of like
like he's kind of brought us into like who he
is a lot more over the l of the years.

Speaker 1 (01:44:06):
So yeah, even while I was there, when I left
black Market, I would have wanted to be as strange.
I remember having an interaction with Dave Warner in like
two thousand and nine or twenty ten. I don't think
I forgave him for that until like twenty nineteen or
twenty eighteen, where he essentially said that minus being able
to tour and not being able to do videos, that

(01:44:27):
my music coming out on Strange Music wouldn't have been
He couldn't see the potential value in that. But that
he saw in terms of this had nothing to do
with dopeness, but had something to do with the inability
to finish it, which was true. You know from a
fantastical place in there. You don't know what you don't know,
and how much goes in it is and that was
I was big boys. Shit. I think what I was

(01:44:48):
doing was to keep my sanity. I was writing and
making music to keep my sanity. Is almost cute looking
back on it now, Shit, I wish I never recorded
because I could could record him. Now I got twenty
year old song on a Prayer and Hell my last album,
that is one of the dopest songs on THEREZ some
shit I wrote in oh two. It's like two songs

(01:45:08):
on there from two thousand and two and two thousand
and three, the life sentences and to whom it may concern,
And it's like I wish I had a held on
of that. But at the time Dave Warner had did.
His response to us was he didn't think that would
be something that we could could we could start the game,
but couldn't finish it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:25):
Yeah, interesting tour the touring aspect is.

Speaker 1 (01:45:27):
So important to yes, being in that machine. Now I
understand exactly that that was the literal truth at the time.
I think Dave was responsible responsible for strange music West.
He was working right under Traves, the man making the
decisions as strange music at the time regarding you know
anything that was happening mostly with the West Coast artists
and uh so Brian Shafting. Like two years later, it

(01:45:50):
gives me the deal with RBC, and you know, I'll
drop some music and stuff and I'm paying attention to
take a drive.

Speaker 3 (01:45:57):
I see, I can see everything. It's my business.

Speaker 1 (01:45:59):
I have my little football team and I'm watching the
bigger football teams, and like.

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
Do you get access to YouTube and like double XL
and all that shit in there, Like yeah, we get
double XL.

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
We had all the magazine so I could see Murder Dog.
Like I'm twenty eleven, Me and Tech are on the
cover of the Murder Dog together, so like I'm he
has a Murder Dog magazine in his house with me
my face on it next to it, right, you know
what I mean. So like it was like that I
was aware. We were all aware of each other, and
we know who too's dope, so they knew I was dope.

(01:46:32):
And then I come home and I think the June eleventh,
twenty twenty one, I fly to Kansas City, me and Lynch,
and it really started with a dispute between Lynch and
Tech that ended up kind of turning into a little
bit of back and forth a little bit, and people got.

Speaker 3 (01:46:51):
Too excited about it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:52):
I didn't like it. I got a habit of jump
in in front of bullets for Lynch, and I just
was like, I feel like everybody need to just mind
their business. If you got pomp pomps, you cheering for
potential Lynch and Tech nine beef, then I'm not fucking
with you no more. So I'm watching. I'm looking at
all of y'allf y'all doing. Let them to handle their
business and stay out of it. Because everybody wanted to
all of a sudden pile in on Lynch. And I'm like,

(01:47:14):
I just always I take phase on behalf of Lynch
my entire career. I've always done it. I've always been
the one either saying, hey man, that's my brother. You
know what I mean? They can't have cav Lynch ain't
want it. Ain't Lynch ain't trying to bother nobody, and
ain't nobody about to be bothering him. Were not going
for that, And so that's it just kind of I
did that, and Tex saw it, and he was like, hey,

(01:47:37):
I appreciate that, bro broh and we go see each
other man much love. And I was like, all right,
you know, I just acknowledged him, like I feel you
and thank you and blah blah blah. Because and so
I got Lynch a bag to go to KC. I
got a decent bag. We flew out, my brother Knox
with me, Eric. We all fly out there and me

(01:47:57):
and Lynch, dude, we go to the show. My phone
started blowing up, people like, man, Tech is trying to
get a hold of you. Ironically, all these crips I
call them technologe crips. How I know that about technologe crips,
people will underestimate that Tech nowin got all these crips
and bloods that fuck with him for real.

Speaker 3 (01:48:14):
And so I'm like, who the fuck is you know?

Speaker 1 (01:48:16):
Man? You going to the barbecuters. The crips were throwing
the barbecue, you hear? And Tech one to note because
he's gonna pull up, and I was like, I don't know,
I'm tough them to call me or something or whatever.
I don't even believe this shit. So I'm in my suite.
I keep doing what I'm doing, and then Tris called me,
and I love Trids, so I was like, what's up, bro?

Speaker 3 (01:48:34):
He's like, where are you going to eat?

Speaker 1 (01:48:35):
And I was like, I'm about to hit this place
blah blah blah in the a little while, and Trick's like, cool,
I'm gonna pull up at fifteen. Tech could be there
in thirty. I was like, all right, so we all
mob over there. We sitting down chilling, and Tris walked
through the door and then boom, Tech walked up in
that motherfucker and he gave me.

Speaker 3 (01:48:51):
He said, I told you I was going to see you.
Gave me a hug.

Speaker 1 (01:48:54):
We sat down, had a meal, chopped it up, vibed out,
spitching bars and just you know, had fun, had a
good night. And he excused himself and he popped back
and I can hear him walking up like yeah, man,
really good people, really good energy man. And there I
just think you should meet him. And he hands me
the fall and it was Travis and uh, Trav's like,
what you're doing Monday? Man? And I was like, shit,

(01:49:16):
whatever you want me to be doing Monday, you know,
because we were getting the fuck out of here. We
got the bag. We were like we're we're going to Vegas. Yeah,
and uh yeah, he was like all right, So Monday
we re changed our flights and shit and kicked it
that weekend and uh, that weekend changed my life. Man.
I met the mother and both my children that weekend. Wow,

(01:49:37):
I met I met Tech nine. Because Trav wants us
to come Monday, I actually am running around Kansas City.
I meet the mother and my children. I go to
that meeting with Travis blows my mind. We spent four
hours touring Strange music and still didn't see it all.
So to put that in perspective, he took us on
a tour of the facility. It took four hours and

(01:49:58):
we still didn't see all of the building. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:50:00):
Still it's that big.

Speaker 1 (01:50:02):
And so we're all like, okay, all right, you know,
and jump on the plane go back to Vegas. Like man,
it's just something to think about. And Tech came to Vegas,
flew out to see me. He really was doing him
in Vegas. But the homies started calling me this nigga.
So people starting to see pictures and shit of me
and Tech together, and so this nigga's walking through the mall,
this girl and my phone start blowing up. People like, man,

(01:50:25):
your boy just walking around them all out here, like
you know, and we don't motherfuckers don't know what to do.
What should we do? I was like, just make sure
he's straight. So I called Tech was like, hey, man,
but like this is the fifth time somebody told me
you was walking around them. All niggas could call me
one hundred times. They could call niggas with that shouldn't
be called. So like, I'm at the homies just gonna
follow you around them all. So if you see some

(01:50:46):
niggas that they with me and it's good. And he
was like okay, he's like I was wondering about that. Man,
These crip niggas kept looking at me. Yeah, he was
in Vegas, and so the hommies stayed with him, and
you know, we just kind of hung out on their phone's,
minding their business while he shopped with his girl and
got him out of there, and then I ended up
pulling up at the Aria. We hung out, had a

(01:51:07):
great meal, and you know, I did some shit for
the birthday, for his lady's birthday.

Speaker 3 (01:51:12):
I go back, he goes out.

Speaker 1 (01:51:14):
Trave flies in tech calls me, hey, man, my partner's
coming to Vegas to do some business. But he's there
to see you. He's like, I don't care what he says.
Travis came to Vegas to see you, bro. He's like,
tell him what you need, tell him how you need it.
Let's get this done. I need you with me. I
was like, all right, cool, So sure enough, Trav lands.
He comes to my building, he sits, he sits down,

(01:51:36):
talks with my business partners. I put him with the
city manager, the deputy city manager to talk about a
few things that we're doing in Vegas, and we had
all kind of shit going on. So Trav left all
of that feeling like I love what you're doing. He
talked to me. He told me, I love what you're doing,
and you're gonna pull this off, but it's gonna take
you longer than it needs too. I want to fast

(01:51:58):
forward you. I want to hit fast forward over for you.
So let's it's all right. Cool boom text sing me
a song. I gave other artist semi songs. I ended
up getting the Asonine Tour and drav sat me down.
Boom Boom signed my deal. You know, he went back
and forth the lawyer. Boom got my contract the way

(01:52:20):
it needed to be went, did the Asonin tour, got
my chain at at Red Rocks in front of ten
thousand people. Man crazy on a stage. Michael Jackson been
on the Beatles.

Speaker 2 (01:52:30):
You know, one of the most legendary venues in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
Insane.

Speaker 1 (01:52:34):
So like all of that happened, and yeah, it's just
been it's just been a beautiful thing. So that weekend
and like the twelfth of June twenty one, I ended
up taking Lynch to a meeting until we went to
jack Stackson. We had a big old table and take
all these people showed up and so come to find out,

(01:52:54):
you know, Tech's Sun is a huge X rated and
brother Lynch, I'm fan. We're his favorite rappers. Crazy, it's nuts.
So Tech's son came other members of his family. We
all broke bread, bro Knox and Eric all of them
with me and let you Tech out to discuss They shit,
you know what I mean. Niggas gave each other a
Hug said they loved each other and you know, and
that was how we resolved that. And Tech just really

(01:53:17):
respected that shit. He was like, man, that was some
dope ass shit. He's like, I really appreciate that. And
we've just been thugging it out on some g shit
ever since. I love him. I love technok ain't gonna lie.
That's my dogg guy. Man, that's my dude. I fuck
with him and I fuck with Travis. The long way
Drive to me is a genius. I've been in the
room with a lot of people, you know, who do

(01:53:38):
think well, and this motherfucker is a genius.

Speaker 3 (01:53:42):
Dave Warner is a genius.

Speaker 1 (01:53:43):
You know, Brian Shafting, this group of people who all
kind of circulate each other, Mark Markoff and you know,
it's a bunch of them and there's some brilliance involved
in that shit.

Speaker 3 (01:53:55):
And I just marvel at it.

Speaker 1 (01:53:56):
And Travis stood on ten toes about me, and I
really appreciate that about him, and my relationship with technis
phenomenal and I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:04):
Man, can you I want to talk about Sack for
a sec because I have a great relationship with Mazzi,
who I know has had friction with certain artists over
the years. I think he might have friction with Brother
Lynch at a certain point in time. I know he
had some friction with Cebo.

Speaker 1 (01:54:21):
Yeah, I put that. I didn't allow that to the
Lynch thing. I was like, nah, man, you know I
talked to Lynch.

Speaker 2 (01:54:28):
Well, I know Manzi to be like a great guy,
and he's got a great team like Dave dave O,
and you know, he's one of the new faces of
the West Coast. And he's obviously a very talented guy.
Have you guys had any opportunity to conversate.

Speaker 3 (01:54:41):
Or we've had interactions I sent him.

Speaker 1 (01:54:44):
I remember after that thing happened where it was like,
I'm I think the comment was, I'm funking with Cibo,
I'm funking with a brother Lynch, I'm funking with an
x rit it and you know, it pitsed some people off,
It ruffled some feathers that he worded it that way,
and uh that was kind of me and ce Bo's
disagreement that we ended up having was really over the

(01:55:05):
fact that I stood on what I believed in regard
to what my intention to say.

Speaker 2 (01:55:09):
Well, yeah, and that also like that's how he talks like,
I don't I don't think. I don't think that was
meant in a disrespectful way.

Speaker 1 (01:55:14):
It was not. It was not meant a disrespectful way
in my humble opinion. And I remember saying like, I'm
on Facebook. I jumped on Facebook. I'm in the pen.
But I go on Facebook and say, hey, man, uh,
is it possible for me to be funking with a
kid who might have been five when I left the streets,
if he was alive at all. We've never been on
the yard, So can it be how is it possible

(01:55:36):
I'm funking? Or was it him? If he prefaced this
statement with just like I gotta respect what they did
and their genom for their era, they gotta respect what
I did. In mind, so I felt like he was
identifying as standard because the question was essentially why was
he so dupe? And his answer was because we're dope.

(01:55:58):
That was what he was fucking saying. And that's how
I took it. And so when I said that I
know Mazi, even with all his people and who could
feel something about that, he were posted reposted what I
said and threw one hundreds across it. I said, Mazzi
know every word in Macafam Malama Mazzi's first album Covers
is honored a tribute to my first album cover. First

(01:56:19):
time they saw him with the fingers to the head.
What is that guy? Yet?

Speaker 3 (01:56:23):
We have it man, We've just the DM exchange.

Speaker 1 (01:56:27):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:56:27):
I told him what I thought about.

Speaker 1 (01:56:28):
I told him about how I was the most disrespectful
rapper in the history of Sacramento. So you have a
blood dominated city who had itself being represented by crip
rappers for nationally yeah, international identity.

Speaker 2 (01:56:44):
Yeah it was hey cebo X rated brother Lynch.

Speaker 1 (01:56:47):
Yeah yeah, Tiloni were the predominant. And I was super
disrespectful in my music regard to other sets and the
Psychoactive Exorcists. It was very much gangee. And then I
got to unforgiven. And I remember I had a conversation
with a brother for Oak Park who told me, Man,
we love your music, ex if you would let us,
if you would let us, Man, we'll slap your shit

(01:57:09):
if you would let us. And so I was like, damn, So,
who is y'all new booty nass niggas, you know what
I mean. I'm like, we're twenty fourth Street criit. But
even Blood Niggas God Does and my shitting stud niggas
in the South Side and slam X righty local. When
they all riding, I started kind of allowing people to
be able to bump my music if they wanted to.
It was a deliberate thing, and so I kind of

(01:57:31):
I dropped that on MASI y'all just said, I feel
like I didn't have anybody to tell me this, but
a lot more people could be receptive to your music
if you let them. And if you can not do
these things or if I could have not done those things,
it would have done this for my career. And so

(01:57:51):
that was really the.

Speaker 2 (01:57:51):
Last I think he's did a good job of doing
that too. Real. Yeah, I think so because I think, like,
you know, that's one thing about him, like just knowing
him as well as I do, just like his personal evolutions.
I met him in twenty seventeen, right, and it was
like he used to come to the radio station on
like fifty dudes. Yeah, and now when he comes he's
got a tight crew, he's about his business, he stays

(01:58:12):
out the way, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, man,
So I just think it would be dope to have
you guys have some sort of shit, do a song together.

Speaker 3 (01:58:19):
Man, it's inevitable.

Speaker 1 (01:58:22):
What I would. I don't I think music. I think
music is a secondary thing. I would, and I'm not
opposed to that being an outcome of the other thing.

Speaker 3 (01:58:33):
But if it need to just be.

Speaker 1 (01:58:35):
An organic dialogue or organic because right now, my whole
neighborhood is united, all of it. We got some stuff
we gotta deal with, but me cbo Lynch, Looney Nutty
or all together, and that block movement project is gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (01:58:51):
That's happening. And so from the perspective of what's best.

Speaker 1 (01:58:54):
For Sacramento, like, come on, bro, we can't celebrate the
nigga brought a Grammy home. He brought a Grammy to Sacramento.
You can't fake goosebumps, bro. But like a nigga from
where we farm when won a Super Bowl while we going,
I gotta act like I didn't just I don't think
that's dope, Like, get the fuck out of here. The
Black Panthers soundtrack was to me as an MC from

(01:59:16):
my hometown and a OG from my hometown. That nigga
being on a Black Panther soundtrack, I thought that was
dope for sure, him having Kendrick acknowledge him while he
just one fucking rap album of the Year on the
stage at the Grammys. I was watching that with a
burrito and I was like, oh shit, Like I thought
that was dope. This is what the fuck? What the fuck?

(01:59:38):
Are we doing a bunch of rappers rapping for each
other in the hood or are we trying to penetrate
the pantheon? Are we trying to get to Mount Rushmore?
Are we trying to get to Mount Olympics. I just
had Rock Kim post my shit, right, fuck we doing?
And so I feel like if we can't get to
the point of just even being able to say that

(01:59:58):
human being from Sacramento, California just did some shit for
us that happened really for us, that was we did that.
Sacramento just smacked some hip hop shit. We just did
some milestone type shit. I think you got it. That
gotta be celebrated, And I think politics prevent a lot
of things from being celebrated.

Speaker 2 (02:00:18):
That should be all over California.

Speaker 1 (02:00:20):
Indeed, indeed, but especially in Sacramento. And Cedric Singleton had
a relationship and I don't not for me to say
what their relationship continues to be. But from what Cedric
has communicated to me, he loves Mazi. So for Cedric,
the potential of like Cedric was the first one like
hey man, you know I don't want you. I don't

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want you doing none of that. And he told me,
you know that's my baby boy man, just like i've
he's Cedric is runs oak Park. He not runs oak Park,
but he came from oak Park, you know what I mean?
He runs red and is if he defaults and you say,
it's smoke and we'll do you look around, see who's
gonna pop up for Cedric. It's gonna be it's gonna

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be a lot of old Park and it's gonna be
a lot of I'm gonna give it. I'm gonna be there.
I'm a care and so we share a godfather. It's
like Cedric saw j Prince in a way, you know
what I mean, he created him and Meek Meek is
our here yo, Cedric saw Shug not, you know. So
it's like we're not gonna play about that. The og

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heart would be broken if I was on some function
in relation to Mazi.

Speaker 3 (02:01:28):
So I think it got played the way it got played.

Speaker 1 (02:01:31):
I've seen recent interviews where bol talked to Court about,
you know how he felt like he just felt like
it was a little bit too much and not enough
respect involved in it. Everybody gotta speak for themselves. But
what I think is the healthiest thing for Sacramento, California,
and the healthiest thing for the kids watching right now,
hoping that they got an opportunity to give get involved

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and be the next one to pop this ship off,
that they know that they're gonna get this of the ogs.
They gotta know that La Crips and Bloods get on
stage October of twenty eleven and pass a torch to
Kendrick Lamar who cries on stage and it's Snoop Dogg.
Corrupt the game, DJ Quick, Doctor Dre. They did that

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in twenty eleven.

Speaker 2 (02:02:19):
Fast forward to Pop Out happens. Everybody's on stage.

Speaker 1 (02:02:22):
Man, we ain't understanding what the fuck we're doing? Is
that Willie Lynch shit. It's a lot of reasons why, bro,
But I'm like, what are we doing? Man? If I
feel very strongly about that, what the fuck we doing? Bro?
We're not gonna We're not gonna we gonna hate when
it and it's real reasons. It's real reasons, so like
to the indefense of even the homies, it's real reasons

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for bitterness on both sides, you know. But it's like,
if we're gonna wait for who who, if we're gonna
tip for tatted, this can't stop.

Speaker 2 (02:02:53):
It'll never stop.

Speaker 1 (02:02:53):
It can't stop because who's scoring as it's forever And
some shit is like you know, some shit people just
can't get over ain't gonna never get over. But in
terms of hip hop what it means to the culture,
I think a se Bow and a Masi having a
conversation could be healthy for the culture. I think, you
know myself, brother Lynchong, I think that this is the
type of shit that I would like to organically occur,

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you know, with input from other people. But I think
it would be devastating to the psychology of people who
are waiting for their turn. I think it would be
beautiful to inform them that they could choose better pathways
than we did and and be supported. Maybe you we
maybe we stand on the stage and we're giving the
torch to the next motherfucker, you know what I mean.
For sure, Yeah, I think it's necessary. You're a new album.

Speaker 2 (02:03:38):
By the time this comes out, it'll be out.

Speaker 1 (02:03:40):
Yep. You know.

Speaker 2 (02:03:42):
The artwork's dope, Sit in Heaven, Thank You, your second
album on strange. Yeah, what's the oldest song on this
album that you write.

Speaker 1 (02:03:52):
You're in jail? Wow, that's a good question. Twenty four tracks?
What do I got on there?

Speaker 3 (02:03:57):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (02:03:59):
So it's all new ship, new perspective, if you have
a whole.

Speaker 1 (02:04:01):
New Can't Hold Us Down? I wrote can't hold Us
Down in the pen about nine. I wrote that in
two thousand and nine in the pen, so that my
my three track three, So track three was nine in
two thousand and nine in the penitentiary.

Speaker 2 (02:04:22):
Can you kind of give me? I mean you say
twenty three tracks, twenty four twenty four tracks, that's damn
near double album twenty two Street, which is.

Speaker 1 (02:04:30):
Twenty twenty four exits the twenty fourth letter I did
twenty four years before All Earth Coming Home?

Speaker 2 (02:04:36):
Was this on purpose?

Speaker 1 (02:04:36):
Vers song is twenty four hundreds? Yeah, for sure, that's fire.

Speaker 2 (02:04:40):
That What about this album? Because I feel like, you know,
putting out this is your second album in a year
almost right year and a half.

Speaker 1 (02:04:50):
No, it just feels that way because it's been NonStop,
Like I did, me and Tech, I cracking on as
and nine and then you know, I had some splashes
that happened.

Speaker 2 (02:05:00):
The fucking music video you guys did that was like
in the middle of the fucking sand.

Speaker 1 (02:05:03):
That's the one where I found was off parole, still
right here. That shit was crazy.

Speaker 3 (02:05:08):
Yeah, it was a beautiful experience.

Speaker 1 (02:05:10):
Man. That was the day I got off parole. We
were filming with March first to twenty twenty two, me
and Tech together making that video crazy. Yeah, so you
got that big moment that wasn't from an X rated album.
And now my album starts coming right behind Tech because
I'm in the cycle where it's almost I'm almost always
sandwiched between what Tech is doing right, and that's you know,

(02:05:32):
I don't know if that's some shit him and Travis
plotted on, which I would think that none of this
shit is an accident, right, So, but but here comes
Tech and they kind of always have me right behind that.
So it's like race cars and I'm in his drag,
you know what I mean, And no, Diddy, I mean,
I mean it's still wind and so yeah, you got

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still right here. You get to my album Stratosphere with
me in Tech and then here's Tech coming back on
Blue and I got knocked with him and Joiner Lucas
and Conway, and then my album drops, you know what
I mean. And then here comes Tech on Nuthouse and
I'm on there. And then here comes my first single,
Here comes roll Call for Collabos. I'm on their two

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point five million views, two million streams. Here comes my
second single, King Crook rass Cast. Here comes another Tech single,
I'm on their text Collabo's album drop, I got three
songs on there, rock Him drops there, and then here
comes my album. So yeah, it's like I never even

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though it's just one album in that calendar year, because
we're over a year since my last album came out
June second of twenty three, and uh, but I just
was never not there. I've been there the whole time.

Speaker 2 (02:06:51):
Would you it feels like your life story should be
a Netflix show or a movie or something. Yeah, I
think you need it right book. I'm sure you've probably
probably started. I feel like, if you're in jail long enough,
you've started to write a book.

Speaker 1 (02:07:05):
Yeah, you got that. I like that. Take your eye
you like. I feel like I got to know you real.

Speaker 2 (02:07:09):
Quick, Like I feel like you got to at least
half a book finish.

Speaker 1 (02:07:12):
I actually have three, so I have. I broke my
autobiography into three parts, and so there's the life all
the way up until I think it was where I
stopped two thousand and two, and then there's twenty two
to twenty twelve, and then there was twenty twelve, and
I didn't know where to fuck the end. And I

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found out about sending bill to sixty and I was like,
it's time for me to I put that stuff away
and I started working on music still, but mostly was
focused on getting out. So I spent six years, basically
four years the equivalent of a college education, learning about
what to do with board and how to do it board,
and then two years in addition to that to get out.

(02:07:57):
And that's how you get that twenty four years and
me finding out knew I was going home. So I
went from hopelessness to hope to maybe to thinking to
believing I was getting out to.

Speaker 3 (02:08:07):
Twenty twenty, where I knew it was happening. I was
gotten neew, I was.

Speaker 1 (02:08:11):
Going to Yo.

Speaker 2 (02:08:13):
We've like politically, I'm certainly in the middle, I'm probably
I don't know who I'm voting for, be honest, But
there is this narrative that Kamala Harris locked up a
lot of people in California. Yeah, but she also co
sponsored the bill that freed you.

Speaker 1 (02:08:28):
Her name is Incentive Bill two sixty and then as
attorney general, she could have fought that and so she
you know, it's the Democratic Party pushing if people don't
think that she had a hand in that, and that
the Attorney general just was like, oh Okay, they're gonna
let all the juveniles with life out and didn't defend it,
didn't fight that at all, just like let it come in.

Speaker 2 (02:08:48):
Well, I'm just curious, like from your perspective, somebody who's
like well versed in the law and like obviously did
a ton of research on what was going on politically
in California that would affect people going getting freed or
going in Do you feel like she is the hell
she gets for the amount of people she quote unquote
locked up? Is a fair affair criticism or do you

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feel like it's overstated.

Speaker 1 (02:09:09):
I think it's overstated. It's being exaggerated. Was she responsible
for locking people up? She was the district attorney.

Speaker 2 (02:09:15):
Well, everybody who's the district attorney's going to be responsible.

Speaker 1 (02:09:17):
It didn't matter who right, right, And it's the district attorney,
elected politician, district attorney in the courtroom and all these
cases like come on, man, So with those of us
who've been to court, know that the district attorney's not
in here.

Speaker 3 (02:09:31):
It's it ADA or a DDA.

Speaker 1 (02:09:33):
It's a deputy district attorney or assistant district attorney in
the room prosecuting the case. The figurehead district attorney that's
running this office doesn't necessarily have nothing to do with
all of that. But like, far be it for me
to defend a district attorney. They locking people to fuck up,
because that's what the fuck they do, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (02:09:51):
So, I mean it's an economy too that comes with
all of this. There is free labor, I mean, cheap labor,
whatever you want to call. It's once you start peeling
the slavery, it's like, yeah, it's what it.

Speaker 1 (02:10:01):
Is, right.

Speaker 2 (02:10:01):
I mean, there's privatized prisons all over the country. There's
a lobby for that. Yeah, it's good business to put
more people in prison.

Speaker 1 (02:10:09):
And then you know, you end up in a circumstance
where I say, if I can look at myself as say,
I went from a seventeen year old game banger who
thought it was perfectly appropriate to enter people's dwellings attempting
to kill people, and then by the time I'm twenty five,
I changed my life. And then at the age of
thirty year old, thirty years old, I'm doing something completely different.

(02:10:31):
By forty I got an AA degree and I'm majoring
in psychology. I'm still locked up on my houmet and
I'm ten million miles away from who that kid was, right,
And I think we like to just keep people static.
So it's like, yeah, if you look at the whole
career and see where it started changing, where did she

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start doing the programs for people who was coming home?

Speaker 3 (02:10:55):
Because there's plenty of information.

Speaker 1 (02:10:57):
Available that she was actually helping people will come home successfully.
So it's like, it's hard if you feel like the
people stabbing you are the ones yelling at you to
stop bleeding, it's hard to say thank you when they
stop stabbing you, right, like, thank you so much. So
it's hard to say thank you, Kamala Harris for not

(02:11:19):
stabbing us anymore. You know what, I mean, so it's
a lot of people hesitant. But the truth of the
matter is that that that party came into power when
Jerry Brown got elected, and we saw immediate change in
that environment. The grievance system, how to follow a complaint
about it, something that you had going on. It needed
to be dealt with real stuff, family physics, so you

(02:11:41):
could go see your mother, the funeral arrangements and you
want to real things. The processes that got implemented from
between twenty eleven to being sworn in to twelve twenty thirteen, you.

Speaker 2 (02:11:55):
Saw the real change.

Speaker 1 (02:11:56):
We literally saw that shit like forty eight hours, go
to sleep, wake up and it was like damn, and
then go to sleep and wake up again and be
like what the fuck different? The forms were different, the
way the police training was different, the way they spoke
to you was different. When the leadership changed, they fucking changed.
We saw it.

Speaker 3 (02:12:14):
And so I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:12:16):
I'm one of those people who understand that the people
who caused the bleeding stopped the bleedings. And you know,
I feel like the Republican Party, Pete Wilson had control
of California, Pete Wilson and then put in the three
strikes after the Tripoli class, they add a three percent
parole grant rate when they took over, I think out

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of twenty four years to four of demo of Republican
power in the state of California, going back as far
as Duke Maging to Grey Davis finally getting in there.
So Grey gets four years, gets re elected, get recalled,
and they gave us determinated right. So in terms of
like who he was stabbing us, there's a question about

(02:13:00):
who was doing the stab it because the people who
stop the bleeding aren't necessarily the people who were doing
the stab And so I think that's the difference for
me in my perspective of understanding that I want the
person willing to do the most for the people who
are still in the situations that I was in.

Speaker 2 (02:13:17):
Yeah, I mean, I think like at the end of
the day, like if there's ever humans in our society,
they get treated like second class citizens. It is people
who are incarcerated, it's felons. Even when they get out,
they gotta wear that. It's like a scarlet letter they
got to wear every time they go do a fucking
job interview. And now former president is.

Speaker 1 (02:13:37):
An ex felling ain't that something.

Speaker 2 (02:13:38):
Ain't that shit crazy?

Speaker 1 (02:13:39):
Ain't that crazy?

Speaker 2 (02:13:40):
Whether or not you think he should be a whole
other discussion, right right, but technically he is.

Speaker 1 (02:13:46):
They're running for and running for the biggest job in
the United States of America, in the world, the biggest
job in the world.

Speaker 3 (02:13:52):
But somebody would have felt they want to go work.

Speaker 2 (02:13:54):
Yeah, and look, I like, I don't think you should
be a felon. I think they went after him like
for sure, but he's still felon. So it's like now
it's like, hey, guys, like weish really because I just
feel like putting that shit on. I mean, obviously, if
you own a business and you want to do your
own background check before you hire somebody, that's on you.
But like, I feel like that whole that box that
you got to check on the application. Have you ever

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been convicted of a felony? It's just as soon as
you hit yes, you're fucked. You're not getting the job.

Speaker 1 (02:14:21):
And now Gavin new Some gets rid of that too.

Speaker 2 (02:14:23):
For us, I think, man, well, Gavin news Some is
a fucking chameleon.

Speaker 1 (02:14:28):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (02:14:29):
Yes, he's a fucking lizard person.

Speaker 3 (02:14:31):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (02:14:33):
He will do whatever he has to do to hold
on to that power. He's a wild boy. Man that
gave is a wild boy.

Speaker 1 (02:14:42):
Hey man, you know, it's an interesting world, for sure.
I think that man, A lot of people have to
make decisions based on what they think is gonna be
gonna have the best outcome for as many people as
possible as possibly fair. That's really what it comes down to.
And I want people in my former circumstance is to
have a legitimate opportunity to get their laws together, rehabilitate,

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get out, be productive in the country. We're the only
developed country left in the world that actually takes citizenship
from people like you can't vote anymore, right, not being
able to vote, your rights agains, search and seizure, your
constitutional rights actually get taken from you and you essentially

(02:15:27):
almost can't get them back. Whereas anywhere if you go
to Germany, Germany out pacing us in this regard, you
get in trouble, you get incarcerated, you get rehabilitated, and
they reintegrate you into society, so you're fully restored, and
they're saying, go be a member of society, integrate, participate

(02:15:48):
in the game. Play the game. We're gonna teach you
what the game is. Maybe you didn't know, this is
what the game is. We get a good education, you
got a job, maybe you build a business. That's your choice,
but these are the options. And you go and integrate
and get your money and take care of your family
and mind your business, and that's it. And our country

(02:16:09):
we get you into our system because our criminal justice
system was created to replace the loss of economic power.
They got a slavery which was not abolished, it was modified,
and slavery is hereby abolished ironically in these United States
of America, except it's punished for punishment for those duly

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convicted of a crime, not felingy, not misdemean.

Speaker 2 (02:16:33):
No, it's just been rebranded for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:16:35):
Yeah, they changed slavery from working in the field, you know,
and now you can grow itams and spirituals. To any
of you poor motherfuckers. You wanted to fight over this,
You motherfuckers wanted to fight about it. You wanted some
of this, then any of you, you poor motherfuckers, then
can come on over there, go commit a crime, and
I'm gonna give you fifty million reasons to do it too,

(02:16:57):
because this is you're hungry out here, and this shit
is expensive. It's crazy right now, and you can't get
a job. Vagrancy loss. This machine was literally created to
supplement or to replace money that America was losing as
a result of the so called abolition of slavery. They
created another labor force to go do work. There was
no proud man that wanted to go the white your

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poorest white man was too proud to go pick cotton
right and not picking a fucking cotton. Fuck you think
this is so who's gonna do it right? So we
gotta put you motherfuckers back in jail. I'll put you
in jail, and now I can put you back in
the field.

Speaker 2 (02:17:31):
Shit's crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:17:32):
It's simple.

Speaker 2 (02:17:33):
Well listen, man, your album is out. Like I said,
by the time people watch this, it'll be out, So
go get the album. I'm sure tours coming soon because
that's how you guys do a red Strange the tours
always yeah, were.

Speaker 1 (02:17:44):
About to run around. It's gonna be a whole lot
of activities as Sending Heaven available everywhere. Strange music curated
on behalf of block star t Nutty on their bleedze
on there Ali Alioxen free dropping.

Speaker 3 (02:17:58):
That's out.

Speaker 1 (02:17:59):
It should be out already all this should be the
night really and tomorrow morning. So yeah, man, Ali, Ali Oxen,
Free Myself, Tech nine T, Nutty bleedz all. I hope
y'all enjoying that at Send in Heaven is a phenomenal album.
I really wanted motherfuckers like you to be proud of it.
I want Voter like it. I want MIZI to like it.
I want niggas to like it. I want rock him

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to like it. I want Tech that I know Tech
likes it. I made an album. I made some hip
hop music that's up and we're doing what we're doing
on there.

Speaker 2 (02:18:27):
Well go get it. I appreciate to sit down. Finally, man,
and it's doe X rated boom