October 25, 2024 • 36 mins
Would you let AI win your arguments for you, a TikTok filter guide your makeup game, or the internet influence your “winter arc”? To dive into these questions and more, we’re joined by Jill Dunn and Carlene Higgins, the dynamic duo behind the popular beauty podcast “Breaking Beauty.” They also pop off on the latest beauty trends, and give expert recommendations for splurges, drugstore gems, and holiday gifts.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey fam, Hello Sunshine.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Today on the bright Side, we're popping off and dishing
on the biggest pop culture moments of the week with
the co hosts of the podcast Breaking Beauty, Jill Dunn
and Carlene Higgins. How far would you go to win
an argument? Is figuring out your contrast? The secret to
flawless makeup? And what are you willing to give up
to start the new year a step ahead.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
It's Friday, October twenty fifth. I'm Simone Boyce, I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Danielle Robe and this is the bright Side from Hello Sunshine,
a daily show where we come together to share women's stories, laugh,
learn and brighten your day, Simone. When you just said
October twenty fifth, all I could think is where is
the month going? I feel like Mariah Carey is starting
to warm up her voice and get ready to join
the party.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
What does she say whenever she like breaks out? Oh,
she goes it's time.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yes, It's almost time? Really is? I don't know if
I'm ready for yet.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I can't believe how fast the time is flying either, Danielle.
But you know what got me in the mood for
fall hm hm Our conversation with mall Yer Yeah, she
gave us some seasonal and regional culinary inspiration.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I keep thinking about the cookie salad. I know, I've
never heard of it. I know, are you gonna make it?
It lives rent free in my mind too, I think
I am. I'm gonna try it this year.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
You love to try a recipe. I know I'm no
stranger to a TikTok recipe. I like to get it
on in the lab, you know what I'm saying. But
I also really enjoyed our conversation with Chatham Greenfield and
Laura Taylor Nami about the lit Up program.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah, that was really special.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
It's so encouraging to see a program dedicated to helping
underrepresented writers who have these important voices and important stories
get published. Simone, would you ever write a book?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I'm sure I will one day. Right now. My biggest
barrier is time and focus. Yeah. Focus.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
That makes me think of our chat with doctor Sasha
Hamdani about ADHD. I was pretty shocked to learn how
underdiagnosed ADHD IS is for women and how many women
are getting diagnosedes later in life.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I know, right, that was truly shocking. I learned so
much in that interview. I also loved hearing doctor Humdannie
talk about how much hormones exacerbate ADHD symptoms.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I had no idea about.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
That, And of course I am still not over and
I don't think I will ever be able to recover
from yesterday's conversation with Raven Simone. I know, I mean
talk about living out my millennial baby girl dreams.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Like we got to be honorary Cheetah Girls for the day.
She's sang her theme song with us. She asked us
to sing the theme song with her.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
The video of that is epic too, because we did
the eyes. Oh, oh my gosh, I please sogn to
the future.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I don't think there's anything for me in my future.
After that, that was it, I peaked.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I'm really hoping we have her back to pop off
with us one of these fridays.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yes, what do you think Bessie's should we do it?
We're gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Well.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
That brings us to today. We're getting ready to pop off.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Yea, but first it's time to spotlight our favorite moment
of the week.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
President Biden awarded the National Medal of Arts this week,
one of the highest honors and artists can receive. Recognizing
their contributions to the arts on a national level. The
recipients are usually legendary, and this year is no different.
The recipients include two hip hop icons, Queen Latifa and
Missy Elliott. Missy wrote a little tribute on X saying
(03:26):
that she is humbly grateful and crying tears of joy,
and then gave a special shout out to Queen Latifa,
acknowledging the path that she's paid for artists like Missy.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
It was a pretty special moment. Queen Latifa deserves all
the bouquets. Congrats to all of this year's recipients as well.
All right, Danielle, I think it's time to bring in
today's guests. Let's do it today.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
We're joined by Carlene Higgins and Jill Dunn, co hosts
of the podcast Breaking Beauty. They're both former Beauty magazine
editors turn beauty besties. Carleen and Jill, Welcome to the
bright Side.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Thank you so much. Yeah yeah, all the way from Toronto.
Thanks for coming in studio with that. Of course, we
are thrilled to be with you guys. I love your
show and the energy you all bring to podcasting. So
it's fun to be here.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Thank you. I love that you said Toronto and not
Toronto the way I did.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, because I know how to say it's Toronto street cred.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
There's no teas in Toronto. I mean, there's one tea
in Toronto. Only one's that's the s expression. Yes, I
like it.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Well, I love the name of your podcast. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
All the beauty magazine editors I know always come from
a very different space than just a beauty of ficionado.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
How did you guys come up with the name of
your podcast?
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Yeah, well, we really started out wanting to talk about
the breakthrough people, products and moments and beauty, And certainly
at the very outset when we sat down to like
even brainstorm about the podcast, we were like, there's so
much clutter out there, and there's actually so many inspirational
founder stories in beauty. And because we were beauty editors,
we were always like going on press trips learning so
(04:59):
much much about brands and products and the people behind them,
and that was what was so interesting, and we never
really got to write about that, so it was always
just like what's new. So we were kind of like,
these people are bringing breakthrough ideas. We want to speak
to them, and of course we've evolved since then, but
it kind of came from that, and a lot of
people ask me if it's inspired by Breaking Bad. It's
actually not. However, that is my favorite show. I don't
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know if you would add anything, Kurleen.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Yeah, I mean, I think this is what we've always
tried to do as editors is help women edit what's
really good in the market because it is so cluttered.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
So clutter is an understatement exactly. There are new launches
every single week now.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Exactly, so when we set out to speak to founders.
Now we have basically an encyclopedia of brands who we've
spoken to, whether it's Matt Cosmetics, Paula's Choice, some of
these great heritage brands, and in magazines, the focus was
always on what's new, what's new, and so we wanted
to create this space where if you go and check out,
let's say our Paula's Choice up is where we speak
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to the founder, Paula Bagoyin. We talk about the iconic
product from Paula's Choice, the best selling products. So if
you just are going to pick one to start out
to get to know that brand, that's the product Doctor
Denis Gross. We go deep on the two step bha
Aha pads that are so iconic, backstory behind Viva Glam
(06:22):
lipstick with the founder of Mat Cosmetics.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
We've got it.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
So I think it's very unique in the space that
you can go in and kind of explore what's truly
the best in beauty. And then every single month we
also have product review episodes where we try dozens of
products and we just edit down what we think are
the best launches of the month.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
That's cool, sat damn good? Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah, Okay, So what is a skincare product that we
should all splurge on right now? Like, what's your one
skincare splurge that's totally worth the money?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Do we have a cap on this spend? No, honestly curious,
like how high you want to go? Okay?
Speaker 5 (07:02):
Well, one of the things as being a beauty editor
and a content creator is you do get sent pr
And I got sent pr from doctor Jason Diamond's line.
It's called Medicine m E t A sin ci n E.
And I started using it and lo and hold, I
loved it. And he's a famous plastic surgeon here in
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Beverly Hills and there's a lot of famous faces that
got to him. So I started using it and loving it,
and then I looked up the price point and it's
a splurge at several hundred dollars dollars right now.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, the Zerum, I think, yes for one fluid ounce.
Huh oh my god. Yeah, listen, I.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Apologize in advanced it is good, but you know, ultimately,
at heart, I am like a drugstore Amazon Girly, always
have been, and I will recommend also like the cost
Ar X Snail Music Zerum from Amazon, which is fifteen dollars.
Like I think there's That's the beautiful thing about skin
here these days is like there's something for everyone and
you you can get a whole routine for one hundred
bucks from Amazon and you'll love it. But I'm just
(08:06):
saying that was a recent discovery for me. And you know,
these products are out there. People are buying the expensive
ones too, So.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Well, I have a question about the opposite. Yes, okay,
we've talked on the pod. I'm obsessed with the Loril
voluminous mascara.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Oh, I've tried Door, I've tried Charlotte Tilbury.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
All the expensive ones and I come back to the
voluminous every single time as you should.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Thank you. Yeah. Is there a drug store product that
you always come back to?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (08:33):
There's so many? Yeah, I mean I agree with you, mascara.
There is no reason to spend forty dollars on a
mascara ever. You know, essentially they are on the same
assembly line as you know, whether it's designer or drug store.
And I truly think that mascara is the category where
you can you don't have to spend more than probably
twelve dollars.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
What's the lash extensions?
Speaker 5 (08:56):
One that we loved this year was it elf Well,
there's two that Loreal Panorama I was obsessed with, and
then Lash Extender from elf Lash.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Extender, that's the one.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
It's a tubing mascara, which a lot of people love
because the tubing doesn't transfer it kind of what is tubing?
So tubing mescaras kind of create this saran wrap effect
on each and every lash. So what's what you'll really
notice mainly is when you wash off a tubing mascara,
you only need water and if you kind of like
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use your fingers to rub them off, they come off
in little tubes. Interesting and that's a tubing mescaren Because
it has that kind of shrink wrap around each slash,
it doesn't transfer, so for people who have oily lids
or hooded eyelids, lower lashes, it's a great option for that.
So the lash extender is our favorite. It's probably twelve dollars.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I think it's eight bucks. Yeah, it's wild. But you're
a good company because makeup by Mario who's been doing
makeup for how long yep, I just went to his
masterclass and he's that's he's using.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Well, the holidays are coming up, and beauty products are
always a great gift.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, yes, he yah.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
But if we're struggling to figure out what to get someone,
because as you mentioned, makeup is so personal, what products
do you think make great gifts.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
For for skincare or for makeup or for makeup? Okay,
I think right now what's absolutely genius and I wish
I thought of it myself is when you go to
a Sephora, and I think Altaism as well. These makeup
sampler kits, so they will give you like ten mesceras
in one.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Kit, all minis and the fragrance sampler kits.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Yes, yes, for sure, but these ones lets you to
try and they're all minis and it's like a really
great value. There's sometimes like twenty five thirty bucks and
you get to try ten and then you get inside
that usually a coupon to then go in and redeem
for the one you like the best.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Allid cool. This is like an advent calendar for mass Yes.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
And then of course they took that idea they brought
it to skincare. They have like vacation sets. Now they
have once for frag which is also very personal. But
I love that idea because you're giving the gift of choice.
Yeah right, yeah, I think that's really fun.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
And discovery too.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Right, You're allowing someone to like discover new brands that
they're like, I feel like you can never go wrong with,
like a little sampler kit of skincare makeup.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
If I ever get that as a gift, I'm like, amazing. Yeah,
I'm trying to tell me something I love.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
I love the elevated like, you know, the whole idea
of gifting where you have something little that is an
everyday item, but you give them an elevated version of it,
so you pay a little bit more and that's always impressive.
People don't generally treat themselves that way. So I think
an MEJ clock clip in a stocking is like everybody.
(11:43):
So if you know that brand MEJ, it's again it's
a great idea. It's a regular clock clip, but the colors,
like it has that weightiness to it where it feels
like designer sunglasses, do you know what I mean? Like
the Prada sunglasses that heavy acetate and the colors are
the best. We got a dark red one in our
rare beauty pr Kids, but you can buy these as well,
(12:04):
and it's just kind of the color selections great. We're
a nail polish, you know, a nail polish is something
that Chanelle Arnie nail polishes. They're probably around thirty four dollars,
so again it's not a drugstore one, but it's something
you can throw in a stocking and you know, if
your friend is a nail girlie, then she's gonna love it.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Are there any other trends that you're seeing?
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Did you guys hear that Beyonce unveiled her second fragrance
just this week?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Tell us more so.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
It's called se Lumiere and apparently it has top notes
of Madagascar black pepper and Italian mandarin.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Madagascar probably vanilla. That's where all the good bard.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Notes of jasmine, samback, absolute and rhubarb, and base notes
of Indonesian petuli and skin musk.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
She went all over the world to be and so
it just it just dropped this week.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
It's available for pre order on her website and it
will start shipping in early November.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
We were looking it up online this Yeah, once the
cowboy carter inspired the look of it.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
The bottle. The bottle is how so well the.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Colors, because I think the first one was silver in
this one's gold and the other one apparently also launched
following the release of Renaissance. So what's interesting is this
three sixty promotion where it's really planned, you know, and
you know this one's working out. Whereas, of course, with
Blake Lively when she launched her hair care line with
(13:35):
her movie, that didn't work out as well. Yeah, but
this seems she seems to be doing this well. So yeah,
that was big news this week. That is interesting.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Yeah, and nineties makeup is coming back, don't worry Dan. Yeah,
but whether or not you're going to pluck your brows
to go that full nineties?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Are you going to commit? You're going to commit? No,
absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I've never gotten my brows done. My mom would never
let me. I'm so grateful to her for that now. Yes,
but okay, nineties makeup, how would you describe it?
Speaker 5 (14:04):
A lot of vampy lips with thinner browse, like proper,
you know, like almost a bit reminiscent of Gwen Stefani's
No Doubt Days.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Not as severe as that, but definitely we're seeing that
on the runway. Yeah. So Flipliner, Yeah, Lipliner is your bff.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I feel like we already started popping up, but maybe
we should officially pop up.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Loving this conversation so far, this is wonderful. Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
So there's a brand new trend that's changing the way
we think about applying makeup, and we've all searched to
find the right shades, the right color palette for our
skin tones. I know, in the Casado each Q stores
in Japan and in China they have like a cool
two way video thing that'll match exactly what your shade is,
(14:49):
which is pretty remarkable. Everyone's trying to figure out how
to do that on their own, and there's a makeup
artist out of France who came up with the contrast
makeup theory and it's based on this TikTok filter that
she created.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
So here's how it works.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
You find the filter, it gives you prompts to match
your skin tone to the contrast levels, so there's low, medium,
or high, which I don't totally understand. Maybe you guys
can explain that, and then it recommends the types of
makeup to use.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
And how to apply it.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
I think we're going to try it live here on
the air and figure out what contrast we are. But
last year it was all about color theory, right, everybody
on TikTok was trying different filters to figure out whether
you were spring fall, you know, winter, summer. So now
this idea is that you're going to find what makeup
suits you best by contrast. So if your low contrast,
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the idea is that, well, you're going to put the
filter on. And it really has to do with your
natural features, So the color of your hair, the color
of your eyebrows, the natural color of your lips, whether
it's kind of has a low amount of difference between
the shadows and the highlight, or whether there's a stark contrast,
then you would be a high contrast person, and then
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there's right in the middle, which is mid contrast. And
the idea the makeup artist proposes is that you then
want to use makeup that suits your contrast zone. So
if you take the example of Elle Fanning, she's blonde
with blue eyes, barely their brows, very low contrast. So
she had a picture side by side where in one
case she has very light makeup, like monochromatic, kind of
(16:25):
low makeup makeup, and in the next picture she's wearing
a bold eye look. Her eyebrows are accentuated. You can
think about a gold lip, and it is jarring. It's
jarring because there's such a high contrast between this makeup
and her natural the natural contrast that's on her face.
So I think this makeup artist is proposing that if
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you want to be in harmony with the features that
you already have, it looks better to stay within the
family of your natural given contrast.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
From what I understand, it comes down to the juxta
position between your skin color and your hair color. So
if your skin color and your hair color are similar,
like blonde hair, fair skin, that's low contrasts.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
That's what. So Sydney Sweeney is low contract.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
She's low con Yes, Zendaia is medium contrast because her
hair is kind of like a warm brown.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Skin is kind of a warm brown. Interesting.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
High contrast would be I don't know, maybe your high contrast,
like you have fair skin with like a darker brunette hair.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
They were saying, Emily Radakowski is high contrast. Yeah that
makes sense. Yeah, okay. Should we we have the TikTok
should we try it?
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Let's do it everyone, I have it pulled up everybody,
and it basically asked you to tap on your skin tone,
which I've tapped on light, and then it asked you
to put on high, medium or low contrast. I'm gonna
get the video going. That's high contrast, so it looks
very defined. All my features look extremely defined in that.
Do you want to see mine or do you want
(17:55):
to try it? I want to see yours and okay, okay, okay,
you look like medium contrast, I think, I think so, yes,
you tell me.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
So, since this is an audio medium, I'm going to
try and describe what's happening here. One side of the
filter is your face and then one side of the
filter is this template that shows you what high, medium,
low contrast looks like, and then you try to match
them up and yeah, it definitely looks like your medium.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Let's try it. Okay, let's try it.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Yeah, simon you, why don't you try it? Okay, so
you can you can just make a video. Start with
the video, and then you can like play around. So
you select your skin tone at the bottom little thing
medium or light, medium or deep, I think it says,
And then and then you play around the contrasts.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Gray scale is really tough, it is. I do feel
like it's photography. Yeah, yeah, not low contrast. No, you're
not low, not high. I think I'm mid. I think
your medium. I think that actually to me looking at you,
you're not mid, You're just medium contrast? Do I have
(19:02):
light or medium skin? Tongue? M I feel like a
light medium? I know, try light. Yeah, let's start. I
think I'm medium to high. Well, and Carleen, you did you?
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Okay, it's tough, so just your light skin, yes, and
then you can just tap those Gosh, I'm.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Definitely not high. Uh medium, I think I'm probably medium.
What do you think of my lighter?
Speaker 5 (19:35):
You don't like the light on you. No, I'm medium,
so you can and then you guys, uh, I'm going
to accidentally post.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
This embarrassing swipe to the right. So that's medium for Carleen.
So all four of us are medium. This filter works
really well. That's hig. I think you should look in
the mirror and put on the kind of makeup. Yeah
you feel me.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
I was just about to say the most respected makeup
artists that I follow, Katie Jane Hughes, who's been on
our show. I think I think the thing with makeup
when we're just regular girlies, we're trying to get ready,
people do want rules because they're not sure what to do,
and they're just like, I need to get out the door.
How do I make sure I don't look like a clown?
And so they're like, what do I put with this
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and that? And I think most makeup artists would say
it erases the fun of makeup, It erases the play element,
and anybody can really wear red lip. It's just about
the confidence to pull it off. So don't get all
bogged down in these filters and these rules, because they
can be very confusing, and most makeup artists are confused
by this filter. By the way, that's been the consensus online.
(20:47):
They're like, it's kind of maybe because everybody ends up
being meeting.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Yeah, all right, we're pausing the party for just a
moment to take a quick break.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Stay with us.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
And we're back. Okay, next up. Before we share this
next story, I want to start with a question. How
competitive are you when it comes to winning an argument.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I like to have the last word. I love the honesty.
I love the vulnerability and the honesty. We're like sisters.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Yes, after seven years of podcast, how about you, Carlyn?
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Yeah, I would say I'm pretty competitive.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Okay, Danielle, I'm going to give you my therapized answer.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Oh no, I want the I want the pre therapy answer.
I want the unhealed answer.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
No.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
The real answer is I feel like if you're not
on the same team when you're arguing, you're doing it wrong.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Like you really have to see and hear each other.
So not competitive at all. Wow, that's very evolved. It
is very useful.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
I'm gonna say it's depends on the day. Sometimes I'm
super competitive and sometimes I don't care. But I came
across a headline in the New York Post that really
threw me for a loop. Here's the headline. It says,
couples are using AI to fight and win arguments. This
is where we are now, This is humanity in twenty
twenty four. So the article shares various stories of couples
(22:21):
who are actually turning to chat GPT to help them
win their arguments. One person on Reddit said that every
time they have a disagreement, the girlfriend will quote go
away and discuss the argument with chat GPT, even sometimes while.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
In the same room.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Wow, you can't reveal your secrets, Yes, you to at
least pretend like you're doing it all on your own
journal exactly. And then this girlfriend will come back with
a well constructed argument, breaking down everything her partner said
or did during the argument.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
What do you guys think about this?
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Well, my first thought is one more tool against the patriarchy,
So I am here for it. But I don't know.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
I think, like sometimes I think walking away from our
argument is never a bad thing if you're really heated
and whatnot, and you're just like, I need to gather
my thoughts so I don't explode or say something I regret.
So that's always a good thing. But what I trust
a computer to maybe like formulate an argument on my behalf.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I don't know that I would.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Necessarily, And also, like who is inputting the information. It's
only as smart as who's writing, you know, or what
information is gathering from the web, so we don't know
where they're gathering it from.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
I don't know exactly. I think there's potential in this.
But what surprises me about this story is that it's
not the man going off and consulting touch to be yes.
In my opinion, the women like we have our arguments covered.
It was like we were born to argue right our
way out of things and convince people of things. But
(23:55):
a lot of males are just not in touch with,
you know, their feelings. They're not thinking like they just
think so differently. So they kind of need chat GBT
and the women need to frontload it with you know,
the data, and then we can talk to each other.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
So I think we can maybe use this tool to
our advantage. I think we can.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I like the idea of starting off with chat GBT
before you get into the argument, formulate your ideas. I mean,
that's always something that I do whenever I have a
big conversation. I don't necessarily go to chatt but I,
you know, kind of write down on my talking points
and whatnot. You know, I think it'd be fun to
kind of spice things up, Like why not like tell
chat GPT to put it in like a character's voice,
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you know, like you know, like write me an argument
in the voice of Miranda Priestley from Devilware's product, and
then you could like read that script and then that
could just you.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Know, spice up the argument a little.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
Yeah, or if you want your marriage, or if you
want to be very diplomatic in the style of Dear Abby,
you know something like that, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, really do you have you ever? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Let's say, like if you were in an argument with
a friend and you like, you know, wanted to come
up with a way to have an argument with this
person in like a way that wasn't super passive aggressive.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Have you ever consulted chat GBT? Okay, Simone is putting
me on blast because I did this stop it. Yeah, obsessed.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I was in New York a few weeks ago and
I had like a I have I hadn't had a
day off in a while. I was really like on
a mission kind of okay, and my first Sunday off
in like three weeks. A girlfriend of mine was very sweet,
picked me up in the morning from the place I
was staying and took me and my luggage to a hotel.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
She has a car, which is, you know, rare in
New York. So she's very kind. And then she she
tricked me because I get in the car and she's like, hey,
can you come help me move my mattress? Oh boy?
And I'm like, I'm thirty three. I don't want to
move a mattress. Can you tip your maintenance man?
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Like I yeh no, And so she's like please, like
I helped you, and I was like, oh, I feel
so tricked. Yeah, So anyways, I couldn't I go and
I help her with her mattress. And while we're pulling
the new mattress out of the box, which by the way,
I didn't know how heavy mattresses are very heavy. I'm
pulling the new mattress out of the box and her
(26:26):
dog comes and bites my foot really bad, really bad,
Like I have a scar right now, are you really bad?
I was bleeding, I was I was in shock. It
was really painful, and I kind of have a high
pain tolerance, so it was like pretty bad. So I
was flustered, and I was like, I gotta go, Like
I just wanted to leave and go back to the
hotel for the hospital. I actually went to the doctor
(26:49):
the following day.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Anyways, she I don't hear from her. The following morning,
she texts me and she says, Hey, how's the foot.
And I was like, I'm really taking it back by
both the content and the timing of your message, Like,
I can't believe you didn't check in sooner.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Your dog tore my photo.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Bart Yeah, and she went haywire, like she started sending
me paragraphs of how I left her high and dry
with the mattress and she had nowhere to sleep.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
And I was like, girlfriend, your daughter fit me. That's
the brideline.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
So we're going back and forth and now I'm not
a heated person.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I'm getting heated. So I was like, you know what,
I'm going to chat GPT. This is smart for texting.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
She do.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah. I go to chat GPT. I put our conversation
in the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Okay, and then I say, can you please share a
reply that is thoughtful, kind and not passive aggressive?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
In terms of what she should have said to me.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Came up with four sentences that was so good, and
I sent it to her and I said, after reading
all this, I think this is what you could have
shared instead, Like I'm not, I don't this is really selfish.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I send it to her and she goes it sounds
like a computer wrote that. She called you, Oh my god.
But honestly, she does not have a leg to stand on.
I know we talked.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I think she was harboring some feelings that were coming
up from the past a previous. It sounds like it
was a bigger thing, So I take some accountability here. However,
in that particular situation.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
No leg to stand on.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
But chat GPT kind of saved me because otherwise I
think I would have gone off.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Yeah, if you were the one with no leg to
stand on, Actually you're.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Very quick with it. Okay, So we came across this concept.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
That's for anyone who doesn't want to wait until the
new year to accomplish their fitness goals. So all across
TikTok this week you can find people talking about the
winter arc.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Have you heard of this? Yes, I hadn't heard of this.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, So Basically, if you're like me and haven't heard
of this, the Winter Arc is considered muscular self improvement
strategy that is not for whimps, and promise is to
be the ultimate way to hit your personal goals, your development,
and your growth.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I still don't know what that means. I think it
means a rebrand. I think that needs a rebrand. Basically,
it's designed to give you a head start to the
new year. But here's the catch. You have to give
up everything else.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Yeah, it's kind of reminding me of that seventy five
hard trend. Yes, or some people were doing it like
ninety day Hard, which is basically like three workouts a day.
Like people are out here with like weighted vests on,
like they're going in to battle, and I'm just like this,
this is wild.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
It's so much pressure. But I think what happens at
the end of a year.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
You're sitting there, you're maybe reviewing your journal from earlier
in the year, and you didn't like accomplish your goals,
and it's like this pressure to get something done by
the end of the year. And they're like, I'm going
to get hot by twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
So well, they said you have to wake up at
five thirty am, drink leads of water. Yeah, say, no girlfriends,
relationships or self pleasure. You have to hit the gym
six times a week. Talk users said no other human contact,
which I guess is kind of a joke but not really,
and no other pleasures.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's a way somebody just
decided that instead of hibernating and watching home alone, that
you know, you should be utilizing that time and taking
you know, making the most of it. The only way
this would apply to my real life is because we're
at the end of the year, Like if you have
any kind of insurance, like for me, I'm like I
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need all the massages, I need all of those appointments
to use up that money that I've already paid or
it's just going to go in the trash, Like that's
what I would do. But also for beauty, this is
a time when if you're a beauty girly in the fall,
in the winter, when you want to go get your lasers,
like all of those treatments that you don't want to
do in the summer because it's the sun is basically
(30:52):
going to undo hit an undoe button on all of
those expensive treatments. So that's what probably we would be
doing if we had a winter are Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
What do you guys think?
Speaker 3 (31:03):
So clearly this was created by a member of the
male species, probably on steroids. Yes, I hate everything about this.
You know, fitness can be about joy and it can
be about feeling good, and there's so much beauty in
fitness and wellness and personal development. This is stripping away
(31:24):
all of that. And when we do that, these wellness
habits become completely unsustainable. I don't like the seventy five
hard thing because you're you're punishing yourself for seventy five
days and then after that you are going to need
some form of release because you are a human being
and we're not meant to live this way. It's also
like not sustainable for someone like me who's a mom.
(31:45):
I basically have like thirty minutes every day where I
can work out.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Let's not do this. This is so toxic and like
we can just we can.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Enjoy our workouts and our wellness and drink water and
also still watch Home Alone and Little Women and drink
pumpkins Byelot.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
I'm a big fan of just like following nature. There's
a reason all the animals hibernate in the winter. Yeah,
why am I gonna go against nature? Like, honestly, it's
just not it doesn't feel right. Yeah, And it's so
much pressure on yourself. And what if you missed one
day at the gym or you you know, call an
ex boyfriend or whatever. Like, it's just not You're not
(32:20):
gonna feel good about yourself.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
This whole conversation is reminding me that I need to
start writing in my five minute journal again though, Yeah,
because I was doing that for probably half the year,
and then I think it fell off in the summer.
You know, summer you kind of kick off and relax,
and I never got back to it. So maybe that
is a bit of the winter arc. I'm like, I'm
gonna that's going to get back into my manifesting journal.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Let's feminize the winter arc. Can we change this? Yeah,
let's make it work for us.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
I'm gonna journal's laser laser hair removal.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
This is the time for it.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yes, I feel so informed after this conversation, like I
am ready to take on the beauty world.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Also, I think you have two new listeners now, oh
oh yeah, wow to hear it, Breaking Beauty.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
You really know what you're talking about, curiously. Carlene Higgins,
Jill Dunn, thank you so much, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
This was so fun.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Jill Done and Carlene Higgins co host the podcast Breaking Beauty.
We have to take another short break, but we'll be
back in just a minute. Don't go anywhere, we're back, Okay, Danielle.
It's Friday. Let's get ready for the weekend with a
(33:37):
What's in Your Cart segment presented by Walmart. Welcome to
your Walmart.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
This time of year, I love to cuddle up with
a cozy blanket and a good book and spend a
Saturday or Sunday afternoon immersing myself in a story.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
What are you reading right now?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
I just finished reading Society of Lies by Lauren Ling Brown,
which is Reese's book club pick for October.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
It was so good, it was amazing.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
It's such a juicy, twisty murder mystery, perfect thing to
read this time of year, and.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
I can't wait to have her on the show next week. Yeah,
we're so lucky. But here's the thing with all these
amazing books. My living room is turning into a library,
and I'm running out of places to put all the books.
These color coded bookshelves are fulsome, so I've been stuffing
them in my kitchen cabinets, under my bed. There's some
underneath my sofa. I'm one book away from being a hoarder.
(34:25):
And I looked around my apartment last weekend and I thought,
I can't live like this anymore. So I went to
Walmart and I got a brand new bookshelf.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Oh good for you.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
They have so many choices, and I got this beautiful
one from the Better Homes and Garden collection.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Are you feeling better yet? Yes?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
I feel so out of control when things are unorganized,
so I'm climbing back to feeling like myself.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I have a bunch of new books coming, so I
feel like I need another trip to Walmart.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Do you want to come over to my house and
do mine next? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (34:55):
I do.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I love color coding. It's a deal.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
OK.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
That's it for today's show, thanks to our partners at Walmart.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
On Monday, we're joined by author Lauren link Brown, whose
debut novel, Society of Lies, is the October pick for
Reese's book Club. Listen and follow the bright Side on
the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
The bright Side is a production of Hello Sunshine and
(35:26):
iHeart Podcasts and is.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Executive produced by Reese Witherspoon.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Production by Arcana Audio. Our producers are Jessica Wenk and
Christ Ripple. Our senior producers are Itsy Quintania and Amy Padula.
Our engineer is PJ. Shahamatt.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Arcana's executive producers are Francis Harlowe and Abby Ruska. Arcana's
head of production is Matt Schultz.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Natalie Tulluck and Maureen Polo are the executive producers for
Hello Sunshine.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Julia Weaver is the supervising producer, and Ali Perry is
the executive producer for iHeart Podcasts. Tim Palazzola is our showrunner.
This week's episodes were recorded by Graham Gibson. Our theme
song is by Anna Stump and Hamilton Lighthouser. Special thanks
to Connell Byrne and Will Pearson.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
I'm Simone Boyce. You can find me at Simone Boyce
on Instagram and TikTok, and.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I'm Danielle Robey on Instagram and TikTok that's ro O
b A Y.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
We'll see you Monday, y'all, keep looking on the bright side.
Hey fam, Hello Sunshine.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Today on the bright Side, we're popping off and dishing
on the biggest pop culture moments of the week with
the co hosts of the podcast Breaking Beauty, Jill Dunn
and Carlene Higgins. How far would you go to win
an argument? Is figuring out your contrast? The secret to
flawless makeup? And what are you willing to give up
to start the new year a step ahead.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
It's Friday, October twenty fifth. I'm Simone Boyce, I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Danielle Robe and this is the bright Side from Hello Sunshine,
a daily show where we come together to share women's stories, laugh,
learn and brighten your day, Simone. When you just said
October twenty fifth, all I could think is where is
the month going? I feel like Mariah Carey is starting
to warm up her voice and get ready to join
the party.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
What does she say whenever she like breaks out? Oh,
she goes it's time.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yes, It's almost time? Really is? I don't know if
I'm ready for yet.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I can't believe how fast the time is flying either, Danielle.
But you know what got me in the mood for
fall hm hm Our conversation with mall Yer Yeah, she
gave us some seasonal and regional culinary inspiration.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I keep thinking about the cookie salad. I know, I've
never heard of it. I know, are you gonna make it?
It lives rent free in my mind too, I think
I am. I'm gonna try it this year.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
You love to try a recipe. I know I'm no
stranger to a TikTok recipe. I like to get it
on in the lab, you know what I'm saying. But
I also really enjoyed our conversation with Chatham Greenfield and
Laura Taylor Nami about the lit Up program.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah, that was really special.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
It's so encouraging to see a program dedicated to helping
underrepresented writers who have these important voices and important stories
get published. Simone, would you ever write a book?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I'm sure I will one day. Right now. My biggest
barrier is time and focus. Yeah. Focus.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
That makes me think of our chat with doctor Sasha
Hamdani about ADHD. I was pretty shocked to learn how
underdiagnosed ADHD IS is for women and how many women
are getting diagnosedes later in life.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I know, right, that was truly shocking. I learned so
much in that interview. I also loved hearing doctor Humdannie
talk about how much hormones exacerbate ADHD symptoms.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I had no idea about.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
That, And of course I am still not over and
I don't think I will ever be able to recover
from yesterday's conversation with Raven Simone. I know, I mean
talk about living out my millennial baby girl dreams.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Like we got to be honorary Cheetah Girls for the day.
She's sang her theme song with us. She asked us
to sing the theme song with her.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
The video of that is epic too, because we did
the eyes. Oh, oh my gosh, I please sogn to
the future.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I don't think there's anything for me in my future.
After that, that was it, I peaked.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I'm really hoping we have her back to pop off
with us one of these fridays.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yes, what do you think Bessie's should we do it?
We're gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Well.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
That brings us to today. We're getting ready to pop off.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Yea, but first it's time to spotlight our favorite moment
of the week.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
President Biden awarded the National Medal of Arts this week,
one of the highest honors and artists can receive. Recognizing
their contributions to the arts on a national level. The
recipients are usually legendary, and this year is no different.
The recipients include two hip hop icons, Queen Latifa and
Missy Elliott. Missy wrote a little tribute on X saying
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that she is humbly grateful and crying tears of joy,
and then gave a special shout out to Queen Latifa,
acknowledging the path that she's paid for artists like Missy.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
It was a pretty special moment. Queen Latifa deserves all
the bouquets. Congrats to all of this year's recipients as well.
All right, Danielle, I think it's time to bring in
today's guests. Let's do it today.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
We're joined by Carlene Higgins and Jill Dunn, co hosts
of the podcast Breaking Beauty. They're both former Beauty magazine
editors turn beauty besties. Carleen and Jill, Welcome to the
bright Side.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Thank you so much. Yeah yeah, all the way from Toronto.
Thanks for coming in studio with that. Of course, we
are thrilled to be with you guys. I love your
show and the energy you all bring to podcasting. So
it's fun to be here.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Thank you. I love that you said Toronto and not
Toronto the way I did.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, because I know how to say it's Toronto street cred.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
There's no teas in Toronto. I mean, there's one tea
in Toronto. Only one's that's the s expression. Yes, I
like it.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Well, I love the name of your podcast. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
All the beauty magazine editors I know always come from
a very different space than just a beauty of ficionado.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
How did you guys come up with the name of
your podcast?
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Yeah, well, we really started out wanting to talk about
the breakthrough people, products and moments and beauty, And certainly
at the very outset when we sat down to like
even brainstorm about the podcast, we were like, there's so
much clutter out there, and there's actually so many inspirational
founder stories in beauty. And because we were beauty editors,
we were always like going on press trips learning so
(04:59):
much much about brands and products and the people behind them,
and that was what was so interesting, and we never
really got to write about that, so it was always
just like what's new. So we were kind of like,
these people are bringing breakthrough ideas. We want to speak
to them, and of course we've evolved since then, but
it kind of came from that, and a lot of
people ask me if it's inspired by Breaking Bad. It's
actually not. However, that is my favorite show. I don't
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know if you would add anything, Kurleen.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Yeah, I mean, I think this is what we've always
tried to do as editors is help women edit what's
really good in the market because it is so cluttered.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
So clutter is an understatement exactly. There are new launches
every single week now.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Exactly, so when we set out to speak to founders.
Now we have basically an encyclopedia of brands who we've
spoken to, whether it's Matt Cosmetics, Paula's Choice, some of
these great heritage brands, and in magazines, the focus was
always on what's new, what's new, and so we wanted
to create this space where if you go and check out,
let's say our Paula's Choice up is where we speak
(06:00):
to the founder, Paula Bagoyin. We talk about the iconic
product from Paula's Choice, the best selling products. So if
you just are going to pick one to start out
to get to know that brand, that's the product Doctor
Denis Gross. We go deep on the two step bha
Aha pads that are so iconic, backstory behind Viva Glam
(06:22):
lipstick with the founder of Mat Cosmetics.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
We've got it.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
So I think it's very unique in the space that
you can go in and kind of explore what's truly
the best in beauty. And then every single month we
also have product review episodes where we try dozens of
products and we just edit down what we think are
the best launches of the month.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
That's cool, sat damn good? Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah, Okay, So what is a skincare product that we
should all splurge on right now? Like, what's your one
skincare splurge that's totally worth the money?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Do we have a cap on this spend? No, honestly curious,
like how high you want to go? Okay?
Speaker 5 (07:02):
Well, one of the things as being a beauty editor
and a content creator is you do get sent pr
And I got sent pr from doctor Jason Diamond's line.
It's called Medicine m E t A sin ci n E.
And I started using it and lo and hold, I
loved it. And he's a famous plastic surgeon here in
(07:22):
Beverly Hills and there's a lot of famous faces that
got to him. So I started using it and loving it,
and then I looked up the price point and it's
a splurge at several hundred dollars dollars right now.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, the Zerum, I think, yes for one fluid ounce.
Huh oh my god. Yeah, listen, I.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Apologize in advanced it is good, but you know, ultimately,
at heart, I am like a drugstore Amazon Girly, always
have been, and I will recommend also like the cost
Ar X Snail Music Zerum from Amazon, which is fifteen dollars.
Like I think there's That's the beautiful thing about skin
here these days is like there's something for everyone and
you you can get a whole routine for one hundred
bucks from Amazon and you'll love it. But I'm just
(08:06):
saying that was a recent discovery for me. And you know,
these products are out there. People are buying the expensive
ones too, So.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Well, I have a question about the opposite. Yes, okay,
we've talked on the pod. I'm obsessed with the Loril
voluminous mascara.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Oh, I've tried Door, I've tried Charlotte Tilbury.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
All the expensive ones and I come back to the
voluminous every single time as you should.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Thank you. Yeah. Is there a drug store product that
you always come back to?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (08:33):
There's so many? Yeah, I mean I agree with you, mascara.
There is no reason to spend forty dollars on a
mascara ever. You know, essentially they are on the same
assembly line as you know, whether it's designer or drug store.
And I truly think that mascara is the category where
you can you don't have to spend more than probably
twelve dollars.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
What's the lash extensions?
Speaker 5 (08:56):
One that we loved this year was it elf Well,
there's two that Loreal Panorama I was obsessed with, and
then Lash Extender from elf Lash.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Extender, that's the one.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
It's a tubing mascara, which a lot of people love
because the tubing doesn't transfer it kind of what is tubing?
So tubing mescaras kind of create this saran wrap effect
on each and every lash. So what's what you'll really
notice mainly is when you wash off a tubing mascara,
you only need water and if you kind of like
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use your fingers to rub them off, they come off
in little tubes. Interesting and that's a tubing mescaren Because
it has that kind of shrink wrap around each slash,
it doesn't transfer, so for people who have oily lids
or hooded eyelids, lower lashes, it's a great option for that.
So the lash extender is our favorite. It's probably twelve dollars.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I think it's eight bucks. Yeah, it's wild. But you're
a good company because makeup by Mario who's been doing
makeup for how long yep, I just went to his
masterclass and he's that's he's using.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Well, the holidays are coming up, and beauty products are
always a great gift.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, yes, he yah.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
But if we're struggling to figure out what to get someone,
because as you mentioned, makeup is so personal, what products
do you think make great gifts.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
For for skincare or for makeup or for makeup? Okay,
I think right now what's absolutely genius and I wish
I thought of it myself is when you go to
a Sephora, and I think Altaism as well. These makeup
sampler kits, so they will give you like ten mesceras
in one.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Kit, all minis and the fragrance sampler kits.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Yes, yes, for sure, but these ones lets you to
try and they're all minis and it's like a really
great value. There's sometimes like twenty five thirty bucks and
you get to try ten and then you get inside
that usually a coupon to then go in and redeem
for the one you like the best.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Allid cool. This is like an advent calendar for mass Yes.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
And then of course they took that idea they brought
it to skincare. They have like vacation sets. Now they
have once for frag which is also very personal. But
I love that idea because you're giving the gift of choice.
Yeah right, yeah, I think that's really fun.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
And discovery too.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Right, You're allowing someone to like discover new brands that
they're like, I feel like you can never go wrong with,
like a little sampler kit of skincare makeup.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
If I ever get that as a gift, I'm like, amazing. Yeah,
I'm trying to tell me something I love.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
I love the elevated like, you know, the whole idea
of gifting where you have something little that is an
everyday item, but you give them an elevated version of it,
so you pay a little bit more and that's always impressive.
People don't generally treat themselves that way. So I think
an MEJ clock clip in a stocking is like everybody.
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So if you know that brand MEJ, it's again it's
a great idea. It's a regular clock clip, but the colors,
like it has that weightiness to it where it feels
like designer sunglasses, do you know what I mean? Like
the Prada sunglasses that heavy acetate and the colors are
the best. We got a dark red one in our
rare beauty pr Kids, but you can buy these as well,
(12:04):
and it's just kind of the color selections great. We're
a nail polish, you know, a nail polish is something
that Chanelle Arnie nail polishes. They're probably around thirty four dollars,
so again it's not a drugstore one, but it's something
you can throw in a stocking and you know, if
your friend is a nail girlie, then she's gonna love it.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Are there any other trends that you're seeing?
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Did you guys hear that Beyonce unveiled her second fragrance
just this week?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Tell us more so.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
It's called se Lumiere and apparently it has top notes
of Madagascar black pepper and Italian mandarin.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Madagascar probably vanilla. That's where all the good bard.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Notes of jasmine, samback, absolute and rhubarb, and base notes
of Indonesian petuli and skin musk.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
She went all over the world to be and so
it just it just dropped this week.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
It's available for pre order on her website and it
will start shipping in early November.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
We were looking it up online this Yeah, once the
cowboy carter inspired the look of it.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
The bottle. The bottle is how so well the.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Colors, because I think the first one was silver in
this one's gold and the other one apparently also launched
following the release of Renaissance. So what's interesting is this
three sixty promotion where it's really planned, you know, and
you know this one's working out. Whereas, of course, with
Blake Lively when she launched her hair care line with
(13:35):
her movie, that didn't work out as well. Yeah, but
this seems she seems to be doing this well. So yeah,
that was big news this week. That is interesting.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Yeah, and nineties makeup is coming back, don't worry Dan. Yeah,
but whether or not you're going to pluck your brows
to go that full nineties?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Are you going to commit? You're going to commit? No,
absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I've never gotten my brows done. My mom would never
let me. I'm so grateful to her for that now. Yes,
but okay, nineties makeup, how would you describe it?
Speaker 5 (14:04):
A lot of vampy lips with thinner browse, like proper,
you know, like almost a bit reminiscent of Gwen Stefani's
No Doubt Days.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Not as severe as that, but definitely we're seeing that
on the runway. Yeah. So Flipliner, Yeah, Lipliner is your bff.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I feel like we already started popping up, but maybe
we should officially pop up.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Loving this conversation so far, this is wonderful. Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
So there's a brand new trend that's changing the way
we think about applying makeup, and we've all searched to
find the right shades, the right color palette for our
skin tones. I know, in the Casado each Q stores
in Japan and in China they have like a cool
two way video thing that'll match exactly what your shade is,
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which is pretty remarkable. Everyone's trying to figure out how
to do that on their own, and there's a makeup
artist out of France who came up with the contrast
makeup theory and it's based on this TikTok filter that
she created.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
So here's how it works.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
You find the filter, it gives you prompts to match
your skin tone to the contrast levels, so there's low, medium,
or high, which I don't totally understand. Maybe you guys
can explain that, and then it recommends the types of
makeup to use.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
And how to apply it.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
I think we're going to try it live here on
the air and figure out what contrast we are. But
last year it was all about color theory, right, everybody
on TikTok was trying different filters to figure out whether
you were spring fall, you know, winter, summer. So now
this idea is that you're going to find what makeup
suits you best by contrast. So if your low contrast,
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the idea is that, well, you're going to put the
filter on. And it really has to do with your
natural features, So the color of your hair, the color
of your eyebrows, the natural color of your lips, whether
it's kind of has a low amount of difference between
the shadows and the highlight, or whether there's a stark contrast,
then you would be a high contrast person, and then
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there's right in the middle, which is mid contrast. And
the idea the makeup artist proposes is that you then
want to use makeup that suits your contrast zone. So
if you take the example of Elle Fanning, she's blonde
with blue eyes, barely their brows, very low contrast. So
she had a picture side by side where in one
case she has very light makeup, like monochromatic, kind of
(16:25):
low makeup makeup, and in the next picture she's wearing
a bold eye look. Her eyebrows are accentuated. You can
think about a gold lip, and it is jarring. It's
jarring because there's such a high contrast between this makeup
and her natural the natural contrast that's on her face.
So I think this makeup artist is proposing that if
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you want to be in harmony with the features that
you already have, it looks better to stay within the
family of your natural given contrast.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
From what I understand, it comes down to the juxta
position between your skin color and your hair color. So
if your skin color and your hair color are similar,
like blonde hair, fair skin, that's low contrasts.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
That's what. So Sydney Sweeney is low contract.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
She's low con Yes, Zendaia is medium contrast because her
hair is kind of like a warm brown.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Skin is kind of a warm brown. Interesting.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
High contrast would be I don't know, maybe your high contrast,
like you have fair skin with like a darker brunette hair.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
They were saying, Emily Radakowski is high contrast. Yeah that
makes sense. Yeah, okay. Should we we have the TikTok
should we try it?
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Let's do it everyone, I have it pulled up everybody,
and it basically asked you to tap on your skin tone,
which I've tapped on light, and then it asked you
to put on high, medium or low contrast. I'm gonna
get the video going. That's high contrast, so it looks
very defined. All my features look extremely defined in that.
Do you want to see mine or do you want
(17:55):
to try it? I want to see yours and okay, okay, okay,
you look like medium contrast, I think, I think so, yes,
you tell me.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
So, since this is an audio medium, I'm going to
try and describe what's happening here. One side of the
filter is your face and then one side of the
filter is this template that shows you what high, medium,
low contrast looks like, and then you try to match
them up and yeah, it definitely looks like your medium.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Let's try it. Okay, let's try it.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Yeah, simon you, why don't you try it? Okay, so
you can you can just make a video. Start with
the video, and then you can like play around. So
you select your skin tone at the bottom little thing
medium or light, medium or deep, I think it says,
And then and then you play around the contrasts.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Gray scale is really tough, it is. I do feel
like it's photography. Yeah, yeah, not low contrast. No, you're
not low, not high. I think I'm mid. I think
your medium. I think that actually to me looking at you,
you're not mid, You're just medium contrast? Do I have
(19:02):
light or medium skin? Tongue? M I feel like a
light medium? I know, try light. Yeah, let's start. I
think I'm medium to high. Well, and Carleen, you did you?
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Okay, it's tough, so just your light skin, yes, and
then you can just tap those Gosh, I'm.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Definitely not high. Uh medium, I think I'm probably medium.
What do you think of my lighter?
Speaker 5 (19:35):
You don't like the light on you. No, I'm medium,
so you can and then you guys, uh, I'm going
to accidentally post.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
This embarrassing swipe to the right. So that's medium for Carleen.
So all four of us are medium. This filter works
really well. That's hig. I think you should look in
the mirror and put on the kind of makeup. Yeah
you feel me.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
I was just about to say the most respected makeup
artists that I follow, Katie Jane Hughes, who's been on
our show. I think I think the thing with makeup
when we're just regular girlies, we're trying to get ready,
people do want rules because they're not sure what to do,
and they're just like, I need to get out the door.
How do I make sure I don't look like a clown?
And so they're like, what do I put with this
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and that? And I think most makeup artists would say
it erases the fun of makeup, It erases the play element,
and anybody can really wear red lip. It's just about
the confidence to pull it off. So don't get all
bogged down in these filters and these rules, because they
can be very confusing, and most makeup artists are confused
by this filter. By the way, that's been the consensus online.
(20:47):
They're like, it's kind of maybe because everybody ends up
being meeting.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Yeah, all right, we're pausing the party for just a
moment to take a quick break.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Stay with us.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
And we're back. Okay, next up. Before we share this
next story, I want to start with a question. How
competitive are you when it comes to winning an argument.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I like to have the last word. I love the honesty.
I love the vulnerability and the honesty. We're like sisters.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Yes, after seven years of podcast, how about you, Carlyn?
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Yeah, I would say I'm pretty competitive.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Okay, Danielle, I'm going to give you my therapized answer.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Oh no, I want the I want the pre therapy answer.
I want the unhealed answer.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
No.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
The real answer is I feel like if you're not
on the same team when you're arguing, you're doing it wrong.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Like you really have to see and hear each other.
So not competitive at all. Wow, that's very evolved. It
is very useful.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
I'm gonna say it's depends on the day. Sometimes I'm
super competitive and sometimes I don't care. But I came
across a headline in the New York Post that really
threw me for a loop. Here's the headline. It says,
couples are using AI to fight and win arguments. This
is where we are now, This is humanity in twenty
twenty four. So the article shares various stories of couples
(22:21):
who are actually turning to chat GPT to help them
win their arguments. One person on Reddit said that every
time they have a disagreement, the girlfriend will quote go
away and discuss the argument with chat GPT, even sometimes while.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
In the same room.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Wow, you can't reveal your secrets, Yes, you to at
least pretend like you're doing it all on your own
journal exactly. And then this girlfriend will come back with
a well constructed argument, breaking down everything her partner said
or did during the argument.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
What do you guys think about this?
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Well, my first thought is one more tool against the patriarchy,
So I am here for it. But I don't know.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
I think, like sometimes I think walking away from our
argument is never a bad thing if you're really heated
and whatnot, and you're just like, I need to gather
my thoughts so I don't explode or say something I regret.
So that's always a good thing. But what I trust
a computer to maybe like formulate an argument on my behalf.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I don't know that I would.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Necessarily, And also, like who is inputting the information. It's
only as smart as who's writing, you know, or what
information is gathering from the web, so we don't know
where they're gathering it from.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
I don't know exactly. I think there's potential in this.
But what surprises me about this story is that it's
not the man going off and consulting touch to be yes.
In my opinion, the women like we have our arguments covered.
It was like we were born to argue right our
way out of things and convince people of things. But
(23:55):
a lot of males are just not in touch with,
you know, their feelings. They're not thinking like they just
think so differently. So they kind of need chat GBT
and the women need to frontload it with you know,
the data, and then we can talk to each other.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
So I think we can maybe use this tool to
our advantage. I think we can.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I like the idea of starting off with chat GBT
before you get into the argument, formulate your ideas. I mean,
that's always something that I do whenever I have a
big conversation. I don't necessarily go to chatt but I,
you know, kind of write down on my talking points
and whatnot. You know, I think it'd be fun to
kind of spice things up, Like why not like tell
chat GPT to put it in like a character's voice,
(24:41):
you know, like you know, like write me an argument
in the voice of Miranda Priestley from Devilware's product, and
then you could like read that script and then that
could just you.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Know, spice up the argument a little.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
Yeah, or if you want your marriage, or if you
want to be very diplomatic in the style of Dear Abby,
you know something like that, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, really do you have you ever? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Let's say, like if you were in an argument with
a friend and you like, you know, wanted to come
up with a way to have an argument with this
person in like a way that wasn't super passive aggressive.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Have you ever consulted chat GBT? Okay, Simone is putting
me on blast because I did this stop it. Yeah, obsessed.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I was in New York a few weeks ago and
I had like a I have I hadn't had a
day off in a while. I was really like on
a mission kind of okay, and my first Sunday off
in like three weeks. A girlfriend of mine was very sweet,
picked me up in the morning from the place I
was staying and took me and my luggage to a hotel.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
She has a car, which is, you know, rare in
New York. So she's very kind. And then she she
tricked me because I get in the car and she's like, hey,
can you come help me move my mattress? Oh boy?
And I'm like, I'm thirty three. I don't want to
move a mattress. Can you tip your maintenance man?
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Like I yeh no, And so she's like please, like
I helped you, and I was like, oh, I feel
so tricked. Yeah, So anyways, I couldn't I go and
I help her with her mattress. And while we're pulling
the new mattress out of the box, which by the way,
I didn't know how heavy mattresses are very heavy. I'm
pulling the new mattress out of the box and her
(26:26):
dog comes and bites my foot really bad, really bad,
Like I have a scar right now, are you really bad?
I was bleeding, I was I was in shock. It
was really painful, and I kind of have a high
pain tolerance, so it was like pretty bad. So I
was flustered, and I was like, I gotta go, Like
I just wanted to leave and go back to the
hotel for the hospital. I actually went to the doctor
(26:49):
the following day.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Anyways, she I don't hear from her. The following morning,
she texts me and she says, Hey, how's the foot.
And I was like, I'm really taking it back by
both the content and the timing of your message, Like,
I can't believe you didn't check in sooner.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Your dog tore my photo.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Bart Yeah, and she went haywire, like she started sending
me paragraphs of how I left her high and dry
with the mattress and she had nowhere to sleep.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
And I was like, girlfriend, your daughter fit me. That's
the brideline.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
So we're going back and forth and now I'm not
a heated person.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I'm getting heated. So I was like, you know what,
I'm going to chat GPT. This is smart for texting.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
She do.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah. I go to chat GPT. I put our conversation
in the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Okay, and then I say, can you please share a
reply that is thoughtful, kind and not passive aggressive?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
In terms of what she should have said to me.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Came up with four sentences that was so good, and
I sent it to her and I said, after reading
all this, I think this is what you could have
shared instead, Like I'm not, I don't this is really selfish.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I send it to her and she goes it sounds
like a computer wrote that. She called you, Oh my god.
But honestly, she does not have a leg to stand on.
I know we talked.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I think she was harboring some feelings that were coming
up from the past a previous. It sounds like it
was a bigger thing, So I take some accountability here. However,
in that particular situation.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
No leg to stand on.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
But chat GPT kind of saved me because otherwise I
think I would have gone off.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Yeah, if you were the one with no leg to
stand on, Actually you're.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Very quick with it. Okay, So we came across this concept.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
That's for anyone who doesn't want to wait until the
new year to accomplish their fitness goals. So all across
TikTok this week you can find people talking about the
winter arc.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Have you heard of this? Yes, I hadn't heard of this.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, So Basically, if you're like me and haven't heard
of this, the Winter Arc is considered muscular self improvement
strategy that is not for whimps, and promise is to
be the ultimate way to hit your personal goals, your development,
and your growth.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I still don't know what that means. I think it
means a rebrand. I think that needs a rebrand. Basically,
it's designed to give you a head start to the
new year. But here's the catch. You have to give
up everything else.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Yeah, it's kind of reminding me of that seventy five
hard trend. Yes, or some people were doing it like
ninety day Hard, which is basically like three workouts a day.
Like people are out here with like weighted vests on,
like they're going in to battle, and I'm just like this,
this is wild.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
It's so much pressure. But I think what happens at
the end of a year.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
You're sitting there, you're maybe reviewing your journal from earlier
in the year, and you didn't like accomplish your goals,
and it's like this pressure to get something done by
the end of the year. And they're like, I'm going
to get hot by twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
So well, they said you have to wake up at
five thirty am, drink leads of water. Yeah, say, no girlfriends,
relationships or self pleasure. You have to hit the gym
six times a week. Talk users said no other human contact,
which I guess is kind of a joke but not really,
and no other pleasures.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's a way somebody just
decided that instead of hibernating and watching home alone, that
you know, you should be utilizing that time and taking
you know, making the most of it. The only way
this would apply to my real life is because we're
at the end of the year, Like if you have
any kind of insurance, like for me, I'm like I
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need all the massages, I need all of those appointments
to use up that money that I've already paid or
it's just going to go in the trash, Like that's
what I would do. But also for beauty, this is
a time when if you're a beauty girly in the fall,
in the winter, when you want to go get your lasers,
like all of those treatments that you don't want to
do in the summer because it's the sun is basically
(30:52):
going to undo hit an undoe button on all of
those expensive treatments. So that's what probably we would be
doing if we had a winter are Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
What do you guys think?
Speaker 3 (31:03):
So clearly this was created by a member of the
male species, probably on steroids. Yes, I hate everything about this.
You know, fitness can be about joy and it can
be about feeling good, and there's so much beauty in
fitness and wellness and personal development. This is stripping away
(31:24):
all of that. And when we do that, these wellness
habits become completely unsustainable. I don't like the seventy five
hard thing because you're you're punishing yourself for seventy five
days and then after that you are going to need
some form of release because you are a human being
and we're not meant to live this way. It's also
like not sustainable for someone like me who's a mom.
(31:45):
I basically have like thirty minutes every day where I
can work out.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Let's not do this. This is so toxic and like
we can just we can.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Enjoy our workouts and our wellness and drink water and
also still watch Home Alone and Little Women and drink
pumpkins Byelot.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
I'm a big fan of just like following nature. There's
a reason all the animals hibernate in the winter. Yeah,
why am I gonna go against nature? Like, honestly, it's
just not it doesn't feel right. Yeah, And it's so
much pressure on yourself. And what if you missed one
day at the gym or you you know, call an
ex boyfriend or whatever. Like, it's just not You're not
(32:20):
gonna feel good about yourself.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
This whole conversation is reminding me that I need to
start writing in my five minute journal again though, Yeah,
because I was doing that for probably half the year,
and then I think it fell off in the summer.
You know, summer you kind of kick off and relax,
and I never got back to it. So maybe that
is a bit of the winter arc. I'm like, I'm
gonna that's going to get back into my manifesting journal.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Let's feminize the winter arc. Can we change this? Yeah,
let's make it work for us.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
I'm gonna journal's laser laser hair removal.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
This is the time for it.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yes, I feel so informed after this conversation, like I
am ready to take on the beauty world.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Also, I think you have two new listeners now, oh
oh yeah, wow to hear it, Breaking Beauty.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
You really know what you're talking about, curiously. Carlene Higgins,
Jill Dunn, thank you so much, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
This was so fun.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Jill Done and Carlene Higgins co host the podcast Breaking Beauty.
We have to take another short break, but we'll be
back in just a minute. Don't go anywhere, we're back, Okay, Danielle.
It's Friday. Let's get ready for the weekend with a
(33:37):
What's in Your Cart segment presented by Walmart. Welcome to
your Walmart.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
This time of year, I love to cuddle up with
a cozy blanket and a good book and spend a
Saturday or Sunday afternoon immersing myself in a story.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
What are you reading right now?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
I just finished reading Society of Lies by Lauren Ling Brown,
which is Reese's book club pick for October.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
It was so good, it was amazing.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
It's such a juicy, twisty murder mystery, perfect thing to
read this time of year, and.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
I can't wait to have her on the show next week. Yeah,
we're so lucky. But here's the thing with all these
amazing books. My living room is turning into a library,
and I'm running out of places to put all the books.
These color coded bookshelves are fulsome, so I've been stuffing
them in my kitchen cabinets, under my bed. There's some
underneath my sofa. I'm one book away from being a hoarder.
(34:25):
And I looked around my apartment last weekend and I thought,
I can't live like this anymore. So I went to
Walmart and I got a brand new bookshelf.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Oh good for you.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
They have so many choices, and I got this beautiful
one from the Better Homes and Garden collection.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Are you feeling better yet? Yes?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
I feel so out of control when things are unorganized,
so I'm climbing back to feeling like myself.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I have a bunch of new books coming, so I
feel like I need another trip to Walmart.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Do you want to come over to my house and
do mine next? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (34:55):
I do.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I love color coding. It's a deal.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
OK.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
That's it for today's show, thanks to our partners at Walmart.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
On Monday, we're joined by author Lauren link Brown, whose
debut novel, Society of Lies, is the October pick for
Reese's book Club. Listen and follow the bright Side on
the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
The bright Side is a production of Hello Sunshine and
(35:26):
iHeart Podcasts and is.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Executive produced by Reese Witherspoon.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Production by Arcana Audio. Our producers are Jessica Wenk and
Christ Ripple. Our senior producers are Itsy Quintania and Amy Padula.
Our engineer is PJ. Shahamatt.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Arcana's executive producers are Francis Harlowe and Abby Ruska. Arcana's
head of production is Matt Schultz.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Natalie Tulluck and Maureen Polo are the executive producers for
Hello Sunshine.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Julia Weaver is the supervising producer, and Ali Perry is
the executive producer for iHeart Podcasts. Tim Palazzola is our showrunner.
This week's episodes were recorded by Graham Gibson. Our theme
song is by Anna Stump and Hamilton Lighthouser. Special thanks
to Connell Byrne and Will Pearson.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
I'm Simone Boyce. You can find me at Simone Boyce
on Instagram and TikTok, and.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I'm Danielle Robey on Instagram and TikTok that's ro O
b A Y.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
We'll see you Monday, y'all, keep looking on the bright side.
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