The Trump administration has canceled $400 million in grants to Columbia University, and ICE has arrested the Palestinian activist who helped lead the recent antisemitic protests.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome in his verdict with Senator Ted Kruz ben Ferguson
with you as always Happy Monday, and Senator it is
a prediction that you predicted a few weeks ago, and
it's dealing with Columbia University, but it's also dealing with
students that are anti Israel, anti Semitic, and now Donald
Trump is paying off on one of his promises.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
You know, there's a phrase that's gone viral online. It's
fa fo And I got to say, there are a
whole lot of anti Israel, anti Semitic radicals that are
finding out what that means. And there are also a
lot of Ivy League administrators and professors who are finding
out what it means. You and I we interviewed on
this podcast. Pambondi, the Attorney General in front of SEAPAC,
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we interviewed live and I predicted in that interview, I said,
the Trump administration is going to go after universities that
allow these radical anti Israel pro Hamas anti Semitic protests,
and they're going to go after them in a couple
of fronts. Number One, it is existing federal law under
Title six of the Civil Rights Laws that you cannot
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create an environment that is hostile, that is discriminating against
people based on ethnicity or faith. And when you have
universities like Columbia and much of the rest of the
Ivy League that are allowing Jewish students to be afraid
for their lives. The Columbia Orthodox Rabbi, in the midst
of the very worst protest after October seventh, sent out
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an email to the Jewish students on campus and said,
do not come into campus. You are not safe. Colombia
will not protect you. And what you and I predicted
on this podcast with Attorney General Pambondi is the Trump
Department of Justice is going to come after these universities
and cut off their funds. And I said, you know what,
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first in line is Columbia University because they've been the
most brazen about it. And I predicted second that we
are going to see these anti Semitic protesters who are foreigners,
We're going to see their visas revoked, and we're going
to see them deported. Well, all of that is happening
right now. This past week the news broke the Trump
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administration is cutting off four hundred million dollars in federal
funding to Columbia University, claiming that it has failed to
take steps to confront anti Semitism on campus after Hamas's
October seventh attack on Israel. The cuts represent the federal
government's first round of grant cancellations for Columbia. According to
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the administration's newly formed Anti Semitism Task Force, which is
leading the effort, Columbia has over five billion dollars let
me repeat that again, five billion dollars in active federal
grants that are being reviewed by the government. So four
hundred million dollars has already been cut off, and they've
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got a total of five billion dollars in federal grants
that are potentially on the chopping block. And let's be clear,
Colombia is just the first of those. But not only that.
On top of that, the news was broken in recent
hours that immigration agents arrest Palestinian activists who helped lead
the Columbia University protests. The Associated Press is reporting quote
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federal immigration authorities arrested a Palestinian activists Saturday who played
a prominent role in Columbia University's protest against Israel, a
significant escalation in the Trump administration's pledge to detain and
deport student activists. Mahmoud Khalil, a graduate student at Columbia
until this past December, was inside his university owned department
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Saturday night when several Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents entered
and took him into custody. His attorney, Amy Greer Toward
told the Associated Press. Greer says she spoke by phone
with one of the ICE agents during the arrest, who
said they were acting on the State Department orders to
revoke Khalil's student visa. Informed by the attorney that was
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in the United States as a permanent resident with a
green card, the agents said they were revoking that instead,
according to the lawyer, as I mentioned Ben fa Fo.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, it really is incredible, and we got to remind
people how we got to this point, and a lot
of it was a revolving around when those three university
presidents went to Capitol Hill and even CBS News talking
about how the Columbia University president resigned after all this
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anti semitism was allowed on campus. Here is how CBS
This Morning put it when it happened.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Another high profile college leader has resigned after the campus
unrust that we saw last spring. Columbia University president Manuch
Chaffique had been roundly criticized for her response to the
pro Palestinian demonstrations on that campus. The new school year
begins in just three weeks, so why now is the question.
As Tom Hansen reports, Chaffique is a third Ivy League
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president to step down in connection to protests against the
war in Gaza.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Nearly four months after fierce protests over the Israel Hamas
war ripped Columbia University and backlashed by students, faculty, and
lawmakers alike over her testimony on Capitol Hill.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Anti Semitism has no place on our campus and I
am personally committed to doing everything I can.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
The school's president, Menu Schaffique, stepped down Wednesday, just one
year into the role. In her resignation letter, Shaffik cited
the turbulent period, saying it had been quote a period
of turmoil where it has been difficult to overcome divergent
views across our community. Columbia University's encampment was the epicenter
of pro Palestinian protests across college campuses last spring. At times,
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those demonstrations took a violent turn and resulted in mass arrests.
After Shaffik twice called in the NYPD to dismantle the
tent city, and culminating with hundreds of police office users
moving in to clear out protesters that occupied a campus building.
Shaffik's actions prompted criticism not just from pro Palestinian students,
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but also Jewish students who said they lived in fear
on campus.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
When they harangue us with chance of from the river
to the sea. Schaffique doesn't want us to believe our
own eyes and.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Ears, resulting in calls for her to step down, including
from lawmakers who visited Columbia during the protests.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I am here today joining my colleagues and calling on
President Schaffique to resign.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson, in a social media post
last night, wrote, Jewish students at Columbia beginning this school
year should breathe a sigh of relief for CBS Mornings.
I'm Tom Hanson.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
When CBS News says that you're the epicenter referring to
Columbia University of all of the worst protests, you know
it was bad, and not only has you heard Speaker
Johnson called for to resign, you called center for several
of these presidents of university to resign as well, and
that was certainly said in the right direction. But now
we're seeing the payoff from what Trump promised on the
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campaign trail.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Well, sure, and you go back to last year when
you had the presidents of Harvard, Mit, and Penn all
testify in the House. It will go down in history
as the most disaster disastrous House testimony I think that's
ever happened. Within two weeks, two of the three university presidents,
Harvard and Penn both resigned. It was a hearing on
anti semitism where they basically explained they gave lots of
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academic jumblie joke, but it's essentially what they were saying
is anti semitism. We don't know what it is, we
don't care to stop it because we're leftists, and that's
what universities are all about. And their complete obliviousness to
creating a hostile environment where a significant percentage of their students,
their lives and safety are in danger. It was really
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astonishing and it's the fruit of the ideological rot that
has happened in our college campuses. Look, I've told the
story before of about a year ago I was meeting
with a very successful Silicon Valley entrepreneur, a man of
the left, a Democrat, who was expressing bewilderment. He says, said,
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where is all of this hatred, this anti Semitism, this
anti Americanism on college campuses? Where is it coming from?
And I told him I referenced the last book I wrote, Unwoke,
How to Defeat Cultural Marxism in America, And I said, listen,
this is the fruits of cultural Marxism that have taken
over our universities and our institutions. And it goes back
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to the nineteen sixties and seventies, sadly, to Mi alma mater,
to Harvard, where you had Marxist that came on to
the faculty and they began teaching and dividing the world
into a Marxist dichotomy where everyone falls into one of
two categories. You were either an oppressor or a victim.
And to the modern day leftist Jews are categorized as oppressors.
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And importantly, I did not say Israelis. I said Jews.
If you are Jewish to a leftist, you are an
impressor period the end, and Palestinians in that taxonomy are
categorized as victims, and once you slot them into those
two categories, the leftist Marxist ideology as they support the
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violent revolutionary overthrow by the victims of the oppressors. Which
is why you saw so many left wing radicals cheering
on the Hamas terrorists who murdered twelve hundred people on
October seventh, who raped little girls and women, and you
had these leftist radicals cheering them on our academic campuses.
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Are so sick. This is the ideology that is being
taught to our children.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
It really is. And this is something that you guys
have also been focused on on Capitol Hill when it
comes to calling out the Biden administration for doing nothing
about the anti Semitic protests that took place on our
college campuses. And part of this is you got to
have a spotlight on it.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yep. So this past week, the Senate Judiciary Committee had
a hearing on anti Semitism. Now, you might think, given
the massive rise in anti Semitism, particularly following October seventh,
given the acts of violence against Jews across America, you
might think the Senate Judiciary Committee would be looking at this.
Do you know how many hearings we had on anti Semitism.
When the Democrats had the gavel.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I'm going to go out and a lemon, say zero.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Wow, you got it precisely right to the one hundred
deciml point that would be zero point zero zero zero.
They do not at all.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
If you listen every day, I don't get these trick questions.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Right, even a blind squirrel, not a one. So a
month into the new Congress, Republicans of the majority, we
held a hearing this past week on anti Semitism. The
Democrats were terrified. They didn't want to talk about it,
but but I took the opportunity. Listen. I gotta say,
this issue pisses me off what we've seen happen to
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our school, and so I want you to listen to
my questioning of the witnesses and what I had to
say last week at the hearing on anti Semitism. Give
a listen. Anti Semitism is evil, it is wrong, and
it is flourishing with the acquiescence and in many cases
active participation of student of students, of faculty, of administrators,
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and government officials. And sadly, the Democrat Party has a
deep and pervasive problem confronting this evil for the last
two years. In the wake of October seventh, this committee
held zero hearings on anti Semitism in the United States,
despite the fact that Republicans repeatedly called for it the
acts of violence. Prior to October seventh, three thousand, six
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hundred and sixty nine anti sentemitic incidents occurred in the
United States. Following October seventh, in less than three months,
that number spiked over five thousand. In twenty twenty four,
that number skyrocketed to ten thousand and five anti Semitic incidents.
This problem is particularly acute on our college campuses Columbia University.
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Columbia University was a major epicenter where they encouraged, tolerated,
and celebrated this vicious and vile anti semitism. Rabbi Eli
Buehler emailed every Jewish student on campus and said quote,
the events of the last few days have made it
clear that Columbia University's public safety cannot guarantee Jewish student
safety in the face of extreme anti semitism and anarchy.
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I would strongly recommend you return home. This is the
rabbi at the university saying your school will not protect
your safety, and Colombia didn't do a damn thing about it. No,
I'll tell you what the rabbi wasn't crazy. Here is
one picture taken on the campus of Columbia. In the
back are Jewish students waving American flags and Israeli flags.
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In the front is a Columbia student wearing a mask.
Because these cowards are oh so brave, they cover their faces,
holding a handwritten sign that says al Cassam's next targets.
Al Casam is the military branch of Hamas. Understand what
this student is saying. She is calling for the murder
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of her Jewish classmates. And by the way, this student,
the internet being what it is, she's been identified now
on the Internet. This is not a Palestinian who's subject
to oppression. This is a rich, blonde girl from Atlanta
whose parents are multimillionaire real estate developers. And they got
so proud. I'm sending my child to an Ivy League
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education where she'll be indoctrinated to dress up and advocate
Hamas murdering Jewish students because they are Jews. Now, if
you agree that is evil and vile, let me ask
you something. We're the Democrats. Not a one is here,
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and it's because the Democrat Party has decided the pro
Hamas wing of the party is more important than protecting
Jewish students in America. And if you don't believe me,
maybe you'll believe Chuck Schumer. Chuck Schumer, texting with Columbia,
said the following On January fourth, then President of Columbia's
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Shaffick explained to Shipman and her fellow co chair David
Greenwald that she had met with Majority leader Chuck Schumer,
who advised Shaefik that university's political problems about anti Semitism
are really only among Republicans. We the Democrats, we don't
care about this anti Semitism stuff. Ms Lewin, am I
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the only person that has noticed that these anti Israel,
pro Hamas anti Semitic protests, that the tents all match.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
No, you are not the only ones who have noticed.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Is it clear that there is significant money funding these
attacks on Jewish students and attacks on America.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
It is clear that there is coordination and there must
be some common funding.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
In the last two years under the Biden Justice Department.
Are you aware of any investigation to follow the money
behind these protests.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
I am not.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Are you aware of anyone who has been indicted for
funding these protests?
Speaker 6 (15:15):
I am not.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Are you aware of any university that has had their
Title six federal funds cut off because they've tolerated welcome,
celebrated in the center holly put out, had their own
officials cheering on anti semitism. Has even one university lost
their funding?
Speaker 5 (15:31):
I am not aware of any university having actually lost
their fund.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
And I'll point out also some of the defenders say
free speech, free speech. You're right, you have a free
speech writer as an American citizen to say vile, hateful,
bigoted things. Let me ask you something. If a university
student went into the public square dressed up in a
clan outfit, burned across and said we should murder African
American students, do you have any a doubt the university
would expel that student.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
I am secarely certain that the universities would take action
and ensure that the policies.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
They should expel them. If they're foreign students, they should
be deported. And mark my words, if you were horrified
at the anti semitism, you will see the Trump Department
of Justice follow the money Prosecute the people who are
paying for this, Prosecute those engaged in violence, and cut
off the money from universities that are tolerating and celebrating this.
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That is the rule of law. And ask yourself, why
did the Biden Justice Department do absolutely nothing about this
horror that is unfolding center.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
It was unbelievable to hear you call it out, and
I do think we just have to remind people this
is systematic on our college campuses, especially the IVY leagues.
I go back in my head to Harvard and just
a defiance of some of these individuals when they were
testifying before Congress. They had no problem standing with these
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anti Semitic protesters.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Look, because they believe the same things that the administrators.
They have been teaching the same poison, the faculty has
been teaching the same poison. And I'll note that that
clip you played while I was questioning at the hearing
of anti semitism, as I noted, not a single Democrat
senator was in the room. The hearing room was empty,
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and that really spoke volumes that they don't want to
talk about this, and the problem is a political problem
in today's Democrat party. There is a real and meaningful
pro Hamas wing of the Democrat Party, and the Democrats
are terrified of that pro Hamas wing of the Democrat Party.
The question I've asked repeatedly, and look, most of the
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people who listened to Verdict are I think politically right
of center, are conservative or libertarians. But we actually have
fair number of reporters who listened to Verdict, and you know,
I'm hoping we have a handful of open minded, free
thinking liberals, people who consider themselves left of center, but
recognize that if you want to actually have an intelligent
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understanding of the issues, then you want to hear from
a wide spectrum of views and try to process and
ascertain what is right. If you at home are one
of those, Let's say you're a Democrat who lives in
New York City. Let's say you voted for Kamala Harris,
you voted for Joe Biden, maybe you voted for Barack Obama.
If you disagree with the Prohamas wing of the Democrat Party,
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if you don't like the vile anti Semites that have
flourished on college campuses and that have threatened the safety
of Jewish students, you ought to ask yourself, very seriously,
what happened in the last week Columbia got its money
cut off? A one of the organizers of the protests
is going to be deported. Why didn't any of that
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happen under Joe Biden? There was nothing to prevent the
Biden administration from doing this. They had every bit of
legal authority. As far as I can tell, they didn't
even investigate it. They didn't ask where the money came from.
I certainly asked the Attorney General in the FBI repeatedly
if they were doing that, if they were investigating it.
They refused to tell the Senate. They refused to tell me.
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And we do know that no one paid any consequences
for it because no one was indicted, and that ends
up encouraging more of this. And you have to ask yourself,
was that an accident or was there a reason? Listen,
if Kamala Harris, god forbid, had been elected president November, Ben,
let me ask you this, what do you think of
the odds Columbia would have had that four hundred million
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cut off if Kamala Harris were president?
Speaker 6 (19:32):
No, zero percent?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
And I bet you the anti Semitism would explode on
college chemists is because they would not have any worries
at trunction.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
She might be marching with the Prohamas protesters. And by
the way, this organizer who's being deported, the odds of
his being deported if Kamala were president are zero. Elections
have consequences, and this issue, this issue matters.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
So let's talk about this one student and expand on
that just for a second, because I do think this
is probably, in my opinion, more than just a quote example.
For me, this looks like this is the beginning. This
isn't just a one off. I think it's very clear
that Trump administration is saying if you were here as
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a student on a visa and you go out and
you participate in this, yes there's going to be accountability.
We're not screwing around. I don't think this is the
last time we're going to see this.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Well, and there was an example I use in my
Senate questioning that I want to flesh out a little
bit because some people will say free speech, free speech,
and it is absolutely right that an American citizen has
a right to engage in free speech and to say
things that are horrible, that are bigoted, that are hateful.
You have a right to say that. I will defend
your right to say that, but it doesn't mean that
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you are entitled to be immune from the consequences of
what you say. And so one example I gave if
you're a university student, and let's say a university student
dressed in a clan outfit and went on to campus
and burned across and began screaming that we should murder
all the African American students. If that university student was
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an American citizen, he or she would have a First
Amendment right to say that. But I think the odds
are one hundred percent the university would expel them. There
could be consequences for your speech when they are so
vile and hateful. And if someone did that, advocating for
the murder of their fellow students, they would be expelled. Now,
they wouldn't be incarcerated. It is not a crime to
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say that. But a university would be with it its
rights to say that we are not going to tolerate
this level of hate directed our fellow students. That is
what the Prohamas protesters were saying when they said from
the River to the Sea, when they said at the
University of Washington to Jewish students, you go back to
the ovens. They were arguing. When that Columbius woman held
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the sign saying al Cassom's next target, pointing at Jewish students,
they were arguing for their fellow students to be murdered
in this instance because they are Jews. A university is
fully within its right to expel that student for doing so. Now, Secondly,
if someone is not a US citizen, if they are
on a student visa, a student visa is a privilege.
It is the United States making the decision. We think
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it is beneficial to us to let you come to
our country and study in our schools. It is a
permissive grant. And if you are organizing radical protests and
harassing Jewish students with vicious anti semitism and mind you,
vicious anti Americanism, these bastards are burning American flags while
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in many instances taking federal money in student aid and
basking the protection of the federal government. Listen, I am
confident this guy is not the first foreigner who has
been a radical who's been admitted under the Obama administration
and Biden administration. Who's going to have his visa revoked,
and who's going to be deported and he should. It
doesn't mean that an American who said that says this
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would go to jail for saying it. But there are
consequences for speech, and that is entirely consistent with protecting
robust free speech.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Well, let's remind people, because I do think it's so
important that people just remember where this started. And I
want to go back to the Harvard president over the
students calling and you mentioned this for Intifada on campus.
It was a very simple question. She was asked by
lisaphonic and it didn't go well. And that's where I
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think there was that first moment for many Americans that
couldn't believe, as you described it, of these radical extremists
taking over our IVY leagues, taking over our college campuses,
beneath the IVY leagues, and indoctrinating people with this type
of hate. Let's go back to twenty twenty three. This
was back in December. On December fifth of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 7 (23:57):
Doctor gay, a Harvard student calling for the mass murder
of African Americans is not protected free speech at Harvard.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Correct our commitment to it's a yes or no question.
Is that corrected?
Speaker 7 (24:08):
Is that okay for students to call for the mass
murder of African Americans at Harvard?
Speaker 6 (24:12):
Is that protected free speech?
Speaker 8 (24:15):
Our commitment to free school.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
It's a yes or no question. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
You are president of Harvard, so I assume you're familiar
with the term into fada.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
Correct.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
I've heard that term, yes.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
And you understand that the use of the term into
fada in the context of the Israeli Arab conflict is
indeed a call for violent arm resistance against the state
of Israel, including violence against civilians and the genocide of Jews.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
Are you aware of that.
Speaker 8 (24:42):
That type of hateful speech is personally abhorrent to me?
Speaker 7 (24:46):
And there have been multiple marches at Harvard with students chanting, quote,
there is only one solution into fada revolution and quote
globalize the into fada.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
Is that correct?
Speaker 8 (24:56):
I've heard that thoughtless, reckless and hateful language on our campus.
Speaker 7 (25:02):
So based upon your testimony, you understand that this call
for intifada is to commit genocide against the Jewish people
in Israel and globally.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
Correct.
Speaker 8 (25:13):
I will say again that type of hateful speech is
personally abhorrent to me.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
Do you believe that type of hateful speech is contrary
to Harvard's code of conduct?
Speaker 6 (25:25):
Or is it allowed at Harvard?
Speaker 8 (25:27):
It is at odds with the values of Harvard.
Speaker 7 (25:30):
Can you not say here that it is against the
code of conduct at Harvard?
Speaker 8 (25:34):
We embrace a commitment to free expression, even of views
that are objectionable, offensive, hateful. It's when that speech crosses
into conduct that violates our policies against bullying?
Speaker 6 (25:50):
Does that speech not cross that barrier?
Speaker 7 (25:52):
Does that speech not call for the genocide of Jews
and the elimination of Israel? When you testify that you
understand that is the definition of into fada? Is that
speech according to the code of conduct or not?
Speaker 8 (26:05):
We embrace a commitment to free expression and give a
wide berth to free expression, even of views that are objectionable.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
You and I both know that's not the case.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
You are aware that Harvard ranked dead last when it
came to free speech?
Speaker 6 (26:20):
Are you not aware of that report?
Speaker 8 (26:22):
As I observed earlier, I reject that characterization.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
It's the data shows it's true.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
And isn't it true that Harvard previously rescinded multiple offers
of admissions for applicants and accepted freshmen for sharing offensive memes,
racist statements, sometimes as young as sixteen years old. Did
Harvard not rescind those offers of admission?
Speaker 8 (26:44):
That long predates my time as president, But.
Speaker 7 (26:46):
You understand that Harvard made that decision to rescin those
offers of admission.
Speaker 8 (26:50):
I have no reason to contradict the facts as you
present them.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
Correct, because it's a fact.
Speaker 7 (26:54):
You're also aware that a Winthrop House faculty dean was
let go over for who he chose to legally represent.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Correct, that was while you were dean.
Speaker 8 (27:05):
That is an incorrect characterization. Avoid transfer.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
What's the characterization?
Speaker 8 (27:09):
I'm not going to get into details about a personnel matter.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
Well, let me ask you this, Will admissions offers be
rescinded or any disciplinary action be taken against students or
applicants who say from the River to the sea or
into Fada advocating for the murder of Jews?
Speaker 8 (27:26):
As I've said, that type of hateful, reckless, offensive speech
is personally abhorrent to me.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
And today that no action will be taken.
Speaker 8 (27:36):
What action will be taken when speech crosses into conduct
that violates our policies, including policies against bullying, harassment, or intimidation,
we take action, and we have robust disciplinary processes that
allow us to hold individuals accountable.
Speaker 7 (27:53):
What action has been taken against students who are harassing
and calling for the genocide of Jews on Harvard's campus.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
I can assure you we have robust.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
What actions have been taken.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
I'm not askingations underway, I'm asking what actions have been
taken against and students.
Speaker 8 (28:11):
Given students' rights to privacy and our obligations under FURPA,
I will not say more about any specific cases other
than to reiterate that processes are ongoing.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Do you know what the number one hate crime in
America is?
Speaker 8 (28:28):
I know that over the last couple of months there
has been an alarming rise of anti Semitism, which I
understand is the critical topic that we are here to discuss.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
That's correct it.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I'm just going to stop it there, and I think
it's so important just to remind people of where we were.
And as you mentioned, Senator, elections have consequences. The good
news is she's no longer the president.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
And that testimony ended her tenure within days. Any immediate
fallout of that testimony, she lost her job. Now, mind you,
Harvard gave her a cushy job paying her nine hundred
thousand dollars a year, so they're still she's just not
the president anymore. But they didn't run very far.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
No, and others at least lost their jobs being in charge.
But like you said, I still think there's a lot
of this on college campuses. I still think it would
be flourishing if we didn't have Donald Trump in office.
And that's why this moment for us to not, as
I would say, stop, shine the light on this is
so vitally important. Fully agree, don't forget. We do the
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the Senate and I will see you back here on
Wednesday morning.
Welcome in his verdict with Senator Ted Kruz ben Ferguson
with you as always Happy Monday, and Senator it is
a prediction that you predicted a few weeks ago, and
it's dealing with Columbia University, but it's also dealing with
students that are anti Israel, anti Semitic, and now Donald
Trump is paying off on one of his promises.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
You know, there's a phrase that's gone viral online. It's
fa fo And I got to say, there are a
whole lot of anti Israel, anti Semitic radicals that are
finding out what that means. And there are also a
lot of Ivy League administrators and professors who are finding
out what it means. You and I we interviewed on
this podcast. Pambondi, the Attorney General in front of SEAPAC,
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we interviewed live and I predicted in that interview, I said,
the Trump administration is going to go after universities that
allow these radical anti Israel pro Hamas anti Semitic protests,
and they're going to go after them in a couple
of fronts. Number One, it is existing federal law under
Title six of the Civil Rights Laws that you cannot
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create an environment that is hostile, that is discriminating against
people based on ethnicity or faith. And when you have
universities like Columbia and much of the rest of the
Ivy League that are allowing Jewish students to be afraid
for their lives. The Columbia Orthodox Rabbi, in the midst
of the very worst protest after October seventh, sent out
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an email to the Jewish students on campus and said,
do not come into campus. You are not safe. Colombia
will not protect you. And what you and I predicted
on this podcast with Attorney General Pambondi is the Trump
Department of Justice is going to come after these universities
and cut off their funds. And I said, you know what,
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first in line is Columbia University because they've been the
most brazen about it. And I predicted second that we
are going to see these anti Semitic protesters who are foreigners,
We're going to see their visas revoked, and we're going
to see them deported. Well, all of that is happening
right now. This past week the news broke the Trump
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administration is cutting off four hundred million dollars in federal
funding to Columbia University, claiming that it has failed to
take steps to confront anti Semitism on campus after Hamas's
October seventh attack on Israel. The cuts represent the federal
government's first round of grant cancellations for Columbia. According to
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the administration's newly formed Anti Semitism Task Force, which is
leading the effort, Columbia has over five billion dollars let
me repeat that again, five billion dollars in active federal
grants that are being reviewed by the government. So four
hundred million dollars has already been cut off, and they've
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got a total of five billion dollars in federal grants
that are potentially on the chopping block. And let's be clear,
Colombia is just the first of those. But not only that.
On top of that, the news was broken in recent
hours that immigration agents arrest Palestinian activists who helped lead
the Columbia University protests. The Associated Press is reporting quote
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federal immigration authorities arrested a Palestinian activists Saturday who played
a prominent role in Columbia University's protest against Israel, a
significant escalation in the Trump administration's pledge to detain and
deport student activists. Mahmoud Khalil, a graduate student at Columbia
until this past December, was inside his university owned department
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Saturday night when several Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents entered
and took him into custody. His attorney, Amy Greer Toward
told the Associated Press. Greer says she spoke by phone
with one of the ICE agents during the arrest, who
said they were acting on the State Department orders to
revoke Khalil's student visa. Informed by the attorney that was
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in the United States as a permanent resident with a
green card, the agents said they were revoking that instead,
according to the lawyer, as I mentioned Ben fa Fo.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, it really is incredible, and we got to remind
people how we got to this point, and a lot
of it was a revolving around when those three university
presidents went to Capitol Hill and even CBS News talking
about how the Columbia University president resigned after all this
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anti semitism was allowed on campus. Here is how CBS
This Morning put it when it happened.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Another high profile college leader has resigned after the campus
unrust that we saw last spring. Columbia University president Manuch
Chaffique had been roundly criticized for her response to the
pro Palestinian demonstrations on that campus. The new school year
begins in just three weeks, so why now is the question.
As Tom Hansen reports, Chaffique is a third Ivy League
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president to step down in connection to protests against the
war in Gaza.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Nearly four months after fierce protests over the Israel Hamas
war ripped Columbia University and backlashed by students, faculty, and
lawmakers alike over her testimony on Capitol Hill.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Anti Semitism has no place on our campus and I
am personally committed to doing everything I can.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
The school's president, Menu Schaffique, stepped down Wednesday, just one
year into the role. In her resignation letter, Shaffik cited
the turbulent period, saying it had been quote a period
of turmoil where it has been difficult to overcome divergent
views across our community. Columbia University's encampment was the epicenter
of pro Palestinian protests across college campuses last spring. At times,
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those demonstrations took a violent turn and resulted in mass arrests.
After Shaffik twice called in the NYPD to dismantle the
tent city, and culminating with hundreds of police office users
moving in to clear out protesters that occupied a campus building.
Shaffik's actions prompted criticism not just from pro Palestinian students,
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but also Jewish students who said they lived in fear
on campus.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
When they harangue us with chance of from the river
to the sea. Schaffique doesn't want us to believe our
own eyes and.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Ears, resulting in calls for her to step down, including
from lawmakers who visited Columbia during the protests.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I am here today joining my colleagues and calling on
President Schaffique to resign.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson, in a social media post
last night, wrote, Jewish students at Columbia beginning this school
year should breathe a sigh of relief for CBS Mornings.
I'm Tom Hanson.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
When CBS News says that you're the epicenter referring to
Columbia University of all of the worst protests, you know
it was bad, and not only has you heard Speaker
Johnson called for to resign, you called center for several
of these presidents of university to resign as well, and
that was certainly said in the right direction. But now
we're seeing the payoff from what Trump promised on the
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campaign trail.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Well, sure, and you go back to last year when
you had the presidents of Harvard, Mit, and Penn all
testify in the House. It will go down in history
as the most disaster disastrous House testimony I think that's
ever happened. Within two weeks, two of the three university presidents,
Harvard and Penn both resigned. It was a hearing on
anti semitism where they basically explained they gave lots of
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academic jumblie joke, but it's essentially what they were saying
is anti semitism. We don't know what it is, we
don't care to stop it because we're leftists, and that's
what universities are all about. And their complete obliviousness to
creating a hostile environment where a significant percentage of their students,
their lives and safety are in danger. It was really
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astonishing and it's the fruit of the ideological rot that
has happened in our college campuses. Look, I've told the
story before of about a year ago I was meeting
with a very successful Silicon Valley entrepreneur, a man of
the left, a Democrat, who was expressing bewilderment. He says, said,
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where is all of this hatred, this anti Semitism, this
anti Americanism on college campuses? Where is it coming from?
And I told him I referenced the last book I wrote, Unwoke,
How to Defeat Cultural Marxism in America, And I said, listen,
this is the fruits of cultural Marxism that have taken
over our universities and our institutions. And it goes back
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to the nineteen sixties and seventies, sadly, to Mi alma mater,
to Harvard, where you had Marxist that came on to
the faculty and they began teaching and dividing the world
into a Marxist dichotomy where everyone falls into one of
two categories. You were either an oppressor or a victim.
And to the modern day leftist Jews are categorized as oppressors.
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And importantly, I did not say Israelis. I said Jews.
If you are Jewish to a leftist, you are an
impressor period the end, and Palestinians in that taxonomy are
categorized as victims, and once you slot them into those
two categories, the leftist Marxist ideology as they support the
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violent revolutionary overthrow by the victims of the oppressors. Which
is why you saw so many left wing radicals cheering
on the Hamas terrorists who murdered twelve hundred people on
October seventh, who raped little girls and women, and you
had these leftist radicals cheering them on our academic campuses.
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Are so sick. This is the ideology that is being
taught to our children.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
It really is. And this is something that you guys
have also been focused on on Capitol Hill when it
comes to calling out the Biden administration for doing nothing
about the anti Semitic protests that took place on our
college campuses. And part of this is you got to
have a spotlight on it.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yep. So this past week, the Senate Judiciary Committee had
a hearing on anti Semitism. Now, you might think, given
the massive rise in anti Semitism, particularly following October seventh,
given the acts of violence against Jews across America, you
might think the Senate Judiciary Committee would be looking at this.
Do you know how many hearings we had on anti Semitism.
When the Democrats had the gavel.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I'm going to go out and a lemon, say zero.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Wow, you got it precisely right to the one hundred
deciml point that would be zero point zero zero zero.
They do not at all.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
If you listen every day, I don't get these trick questions.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Right, even a blind squirrel, not a one. So a
month into the new Congress, Republicans of the majority, we
held a hearing this past week on anti Semitism. The
Democrats were terrified. They didn't want to talk about it,
but but I took the opportunity. Listen. I gotta say,
this issue pisses me off what we've seen happen to
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our school, and so I want you to listen to
my questioning of the witnesses and what I had to
say last week at the hearing on anti Semitism. Give
a listen. Anti Semitism is evil, it is wrong, and
it is flourishing with the acquiescence and in many cases
active participation of student of students, of faculty, of administrators,
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and government officials. And sadly, the Democrat Party has a
deep and pervasive problem confronting this evil for the last
two years. In the wake of October seventh, this committee
held zero hearings on anti Semitism in the United States,
despite the fact that Republicans repeatedly called for it the
acts of violence. Prior to October seventh, three thousand, six
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hundred and sixty nine anti sentemitic incidents occurred in the
United States. Following October seventh, in less than three months,
that number spiked over five thousand. In twenty twenty four,
that number skyrocketed to ten thousand and five anti Semitic incidents.
This problem is particularly acute on our college campuses Columbia University.
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Columbia University was a major epicenter where they encouraged, tolerated,
and celebrated this vicious and vile anti semitism. Rabbi Eli
Buehler emailed every Jewish student on campus and said quote,
the events of the last few days have made it
clear that Columbia University's public safety cannot guarantee Jewish student
safety in the face of extreme anti semitism and anarchy.
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I would strongly recommend you return home. This is the
rabbi at the university saying your school will not protect
your safety, and Colombia didn't do a damn thing about it. No,
I'll tell you what the rabbi wasn't crazy. Here is
one picture taken on the campus of Columbia. In the
back are Jewish students waving American flags and Israeli flags.
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In the front is a Columbia student wearing a mask.
Because these cowards are oh so brave, they cover their faces,
holding a handwritten sign that says al Cassam's next targets.
Al Casam is the military branch of Hamas. Understand what
this student is saying. She is calling for the murder
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of her Jewish classmates. And by the way, this student,
the internet being what it is, she's been identified now
on the Internet. This is not a Palestinian who's subject
to oppression. This is a rich, blonde girl from Atlanta
whose parents are multimillionaire real estate developers. And they got
so proud. I'm sending my child to an Ivy League
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education where she'll be indoctrinated to dress up and advocate
Hamas murdering Jewish students because they are Jews. Now, if
you agree that is evil and vile, let me ask
you something. We're the Democrats. Not a one is here,
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and it's because the Democrat Party has decided the pro
Hamas wing of the party is more important than protecting
Jewish students in America. And if you don't believe me,
maybe you'll believe Chuck Schumer. Chuck Schumer, texting with Columbia,
said the following On January fourth, then President of Columbia's
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Shaffick explained to Shipman and her fellow co chair David
Greenwald that she had met with Majority leader Chuck Schumer,
who advised Shaefik that university's political problems about anti Semitism
are really only among Republicans. We the Democrats, we don't
care about this anti Semitism stuff. Ms Lewin, am I
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the only person that has noticed that these anti Israel,
pro Hamas anti Semitic protests, that the tents all match.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
No, you are not the only ones who have noticed.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Is it clear that there is significant money funding these
attacks on Jewish students and attacks on America.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
It is clear that there is coordination and there must
be some common funding.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
In the last two years under the Biden Justice Department.
Are you aware of any investigation to follow the money
behind these protests.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
I am not.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Are you aware of anyone who has been indicted for
funding these protests?
Speaker 6 (15:15):
I am not.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Are you aware of any university that has had their
Title six federal funds cut off because they've tolerated welcome,
celebrated in the center holly put out, had their own
officials cheering on anti semitism. Has even one university lost
their funding?
Speaker 5 (15:31):
I am not aware of any university having actually lost
their fund.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
And I'll point out also some of the defenders say
free speech, free speech. You're right, you have a free
speech writer as an American citizen to say vile, hateful,
bigoted things. Let me ask you something. If a university
student went into the public square dressed up in a
clan outfit, burned across and said we should murder African
American students, do you have any a doubt the university
would expel that student.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
I am secarely certain that the universities would take action
and ensure that the policies.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
They should expel them. If they're foreign students, they should
be deported. And mark my words, if you were horrified
at the anti semitism, you will see the Trump Department
of Justice follow the money Prosecute the people who are
paying for this, Prosecute those engaged in violence, and cut
off the money from universities that are tolerating and celebrating this.
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That is the rule of law. And ask yourself, why
did the Biden Justice Department do absolutely nothing about this
horror that is unfolding center.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
It was unbelievable to hear you call it out, and
I do think we just have to remind people this
is systematic on our college campuses, especially the IVY leagues.
I go back in my head to Harvard and just
a defiance of some of these individuals when they were
testifying before Congress. They had no problem standing with these
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anti Semitic protesters.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Look, because they believe the same things that the administrators.
They have been teaching the same poison, the faculty has
been teaching the same poison. And I'll note that that
clip you played while I was questioning at the hearing
of anti semitism, as I noted, not a single Democrat
senator was in the room. The hearing room was empty,
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and that really spoke volumes that they don't want to
talk about this, and the problem is a political problem
in today's Democrat party. There is a real and meaningful
pro Hamas wing of the Democrat Party, and the Democrats
are terrified of that pro Hamas wing of the Democrat Party.
The question I've asked repeatedly, and look, most of the
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people who listened to Verdict are I think politically right
of center, are conservative or libertarians. But we actually have
fair number of reporters who listened to Verdict, and you know,
I'm hoping we have a handful of open minded, free
thinking liberals, people who consider themselves left of center, but
recognize that if you want to actually have an intelligent
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understanding of the issues, then you want to hear from
a wide spectrum of views and try to process and
ascertain what is right. If you at home are one
of those, Let's say you're a Democrat who lives in
New York City. Let's say you voted for Kamala Harris,
you voted for Joe Biden, maybe you voted for Barack Obama.
If you disagree with the Prohamas wing of the Democrat Party,
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if you don't like the vile anti Semites that have
flourished on college campuses and that have threatened the safety
of Jewish students, you ought to ask yourself, very seriously,
what happened in the last week Columbia got its money
cut off? A one of the organizers of the protests
is going to be deported. Why didn't any of that
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happen under Joe Biden? There was nothing to prevent the
Biden administration from doing this. They had every bit of
legal authority. As far as I can tell, they didn't
even investigate it. They didn't ask where the money came from.
I certainly asked the Attorney General in the FBI repeatedly
if they were doing that, if they were investigating it.
They refused to tell the Senate. They refused to tell me.
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And we do know that no one paid any consequences
for it because no one was indicted, and that ends
up encouraging more of this. And you have to ask yourself,
was that an accident or was there a reason? Listen,
if Kamala Harris, god forbid, had been elected president November, Ben,
let me ask you this, what do you think of
the odds Columbia would have had that four hundred million
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cut off if Kamala Harris were president?
Speaker 6 (19:32):
No, zero percent?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
And I bet you the anti Semitism would explode on
college chemists is because they would not have any worries
at trunction.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
She might be marching with the Prohamas protesters. And by
the way, this organizer who's being deported, the odds of
his being deported if Kamala were president are zero. Elections
have consequences, and this issue, this issue matters.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
So let's talk about this one student and expand on
that just for a second, because I do think this
is probably, in my opinion, more than just a quote example.
For me, this looks like this is the beginning. This
isn't just a one off. I think it's very clear
that Trump administration is saying if you were here as
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a student on a visa and you go out and
you participate in this, yes there's going to be accountability.
We're not screwing around. I don't think this is the
last time we're going to see this.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Well, and there was an example I use in my
Senate questioning that I want to flesh out a little
bit because some people will say free speech, free speech,
and it is absolutely right that an American citizen has
a right to engage in free speech and to say
things that are horrible, that are bigoted, that are hateful.
You have a right to say that. I will defend
your right to say that, but it doesn't mean that
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you are entitled to be immune from the consequences of
what you say. And so one example I gave if
you're a university student, and let's say a university student
dressed in a clan outfit and went on to campus
and burned across and began screaming that we should murder
all the African American students. If that university student was
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an American citizen, he or she would have a First
Amendment right to say that. But I think the odds
are one hundred percent the university would expel them. There
could be consequences for your speech when they are so
vile and hateful. And if someone did that, advocating for
the murder of their fellow students, they would be expelled. Now,
they wouldn't be incarcerated. It is not a crime to
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say that. But a university would be with it its
rights to say that we are not going to tolerate
this level of hate directed our fellow students. That is
what the Prohamas protesters were saying when they said from
the River to the Sea, when they said at the
University of Washington to Jewish students, you go back to
the ovens. They were arguing. When that Columbius woman held
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the sign saying al Cassom's next target, pointing at Jewish students,
they were arguing for their fellow students to be murdered
in this instance because they are Jews. A university is
fully within its right to expel that student for doing so. Now, Secondly,
if someone is not a US citizen, if they are
on a student visa, a student visa is a privilege.
It is the United States making the decision. We think
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it is beneficial to us to let you come to
our country and study in our schools. It is a
permissive grant. And if you are organizing radical protests and
harassing Jewish students with vicious anti semitism and mind you,
vicious anti Americanism, these bastards are burning American flags while
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in many instances taking federal money in student aid and
basking the protection of the federal government. Listen, I am
confident this guy is not the first foreigner who has
been a radical who's been admitted under the Obama administration
and Biden administration. Who's going to have his visa revoked,
and who's going to be deported and he should. It
doesn't mean that an American who said that says this
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would go to jail for saying it. But there are
consequences for speech, and that is entirely consistent with protecting
robust free speech.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Well, let's remind people, because I do think it's so
important that people just remember where this started. And I
want to go back to the Harvard president over the
students calling and you mentioned this for Intifada on campus.
It was a very simple question. She was asked by
lisaphonic and it didn't go well. And that's where I
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think there was that first moment for many Americans that
couldn't believe, as you described it, of these radical extremists
taking over our IVY leagues, taking over our college campuses,
beneath the IVY leagues, and indoctrinating people with this type
of hate. Let's go back to twenty twenty three. This
was back in December. On December fifth of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 7 (23:57):
Doctor gay, a Harvard student calling for the mass murder
of African Americans is not protected free speech at Harvard.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Correct our commitment to it's a yes or no question.
Is that corrected?
Speaker 7 (24:08):
Is that okay for students to call for the mass
murder of African Americans at Harvard?
Speaker 6 (24:12):
Is that protected free speech?
Speaker 8 (24:15):
Our commitment to free school.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
It's a yes or no question. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
You are president of Harvard, so I assume you're familiar
with the term into fada.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
Correct.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
I've heard that term, yes.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
And you understand that the use of the term into
fada in the context of the Israeli Arab conflict is
indeed a call for violent arm resistance against the state
of Israel, including violence against civilians and the genocide of Jews.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
Are you aware of that.
Speaker 8 (24:42):
That type of hateful speech is personally abhorrent to me?
Speaker 7 (24:46):
And there have been multiple marches at Harvard with students chanting, quote,
there is only one solution into fada revolution and quote
globalize the into fada.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
Is that correct?
Speaker 8 (24:56):
I've heard that thoughtless, reckless and hateful language on our campus.
Speaker 7 (25:02):
So based upon your testimony, you understand that this call
for intifada is to commit genocide against the Jewish people
in Israel and globally.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
Correct.
Speaker 8 (25:13):
I will say again that type of hateful speech is
personally abhorrent to me.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
Do you believe that type of hateful speech is contrary
to Harvard's code of conduct?
Speaker 6 (25:25):
Or is it allowed at Harvard?
Speaker 8 (25:27):
It is at odds with the values of Harvard.
Speaker 7 (25:30):
Can you not say here that it is against the
code of conduct at Harvard?
Speaker 8 (25:34):
We embrace a commitment to free expression, even of views
that are objectionable, offensive, hateful. It's when that speech crosses
into conduct that violates our policies against bullying?
Speaker 6 (25:50):
Does that speech not cross that barrier?
Speaker 7 (25:52):
Does that speech not call for the genocide of Jews
and the elimination of Israel? When you testify that you
understand that is the definition of into fada? Is that
speech according to the code of conduct or not?
Speaker 8 (26:05):
We embrace a commitment to free expression and give a
wide berth to free expression, even of views that are objectionable.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
You and I both know that's not the case.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
You are aware that Harvard ranked dead last when it
came to free speech?
Speaker 6 (26:20):
Are you not aware of that report?
Speaker 8 (26:22):
As I observed earlier, I reject that characterization.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
It's the data shows it's true.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
And isn't it true that Harvard previously rescinded multiple offers
of admissions for applicants and accepted freshmen for sharing offensive memes,
racist statements, sometimes as young as sixteen years old. Did
Harvard not rescind those offers of admission?
Speaker 8 (26:44):
That long predates my time as president, But.
Speaker 7 (26:46):
You understand that Harvard made that decision to rescin those
offers of admission.
Speaker 8 (26:50):
I have no reason to contradict the facts as you
present them.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
Correct, because it's a fact.
Speaker 7 (26:54):
You're also aware that a Winthrop House faculty dean was
let go over for who he chose to legally represent.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Correct, that was while you were dean.
Speaker 8 (27:05):
That is an incorrect characterization. Avoid transfer.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
What's the characterization?
Speaker 8 (27:09):
I'm not going to get into details about a personnel matter.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
Well, let me ask you this, Will admissions offers be
rescinded or any disciplinary action be taken against students or
applicants who say from the River to the sea or
into Fada advocating for the murder of Jews?
Speaker 8 (27:26):
As I've said, that type of hateful, reckless, offensive speech
is personally abhorrent to me.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
And today that no action will be taken.
Speaker 8 (27:36):
What action will be taken when speech crosses into conduct
that violates our policies, including policies against bullying, harassment, or intimidation,
we take action, and we have robust disciplinary processes that
allow us to hold individuals accountable.
Speaker 7 (27:53):
What action has been taken against students who are harassing
and calling for the genocide of Jews on Harvard's campus.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
I can assure you we have robust.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
What actions have been taken.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
I'm not askingations underway, I'm asking what actions have been
taken against and students.
Speaker 8 (28:11):
Given students' rights to privacy and our obligations under FURPA,
I will not say more about any specific cases other
than to reiterate that processes are ongoing.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Do you know what the number one hate crime in
America is?
Speaker 8 (28:28):
I know that over the last couple of months there
has been an alarming rise of anti Semitism, which I
understand is the critical topic that we are here to discuss.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
That's correct it.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I'm just going to stop it there, and I think
it's so important just to remind people of where we were.
And as you mentioned, Senator, elections have consequences. The good
news is she's no longer the president.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
And that testimony ended her tenure within days. Any immediate
fallout of that testimony, she lost her job. Now, mind you,
Harvard gave her a cushy job paying her nine hundred
thousand dollars a year, so they're still she's just not
the president anymore. But they didn't run very far.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
No, and others at least lost their jobs being in charge.
But like you said, I still think there's a lot
of this on college campuses. I still think it would
be flourishing if we didn't have Donald Trump in office.
And that's why this moment for us to not, as
I would say, stop, shine the light on this is
so vitally important. Fully agree, don't forget. We do the
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