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May 12, 2025 21 mins

OAN’s Pentagon correspondent Gabrielle Cuccia joins Buck Sexton to break down the unexplained use of Biden’s autopen to sign executive orders, the $1 trillion defense budget, and where that money is really going. Plus, they discuss the two Navy jets lost from the USS Truman—and why that matters.

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Make sure you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio
app or wherever you get your podcasts. Were there a
bunch of executive orders signed by Biden that are invalid
and it involves an autopen A lot of discussions to
be had about this, but also the transband inside of
the Pentagon, the Hohofy's Trump, so many things to dive into.

(00:38):
Gabby Kucia is with us once again. She is the
Pentagon oaan correspondent and she comes to us now from
inside of the studio that she operates in, but not
in fact from the Pentagon, but she covers the Pentagon
every day. What's good? Do I need to call? Secretary Hegseth?
How come you're not set up yet inside the Pentagon?

(00:58):
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Correction? I am this is actually the first time, Buck,
you're the exclusive. This is the first time that we are.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Phis Okay you are yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
We're in the Pentagon building with Wi Fi as of
this week, of which it usually takes at a minimum
three months apparently to get any service when you come
into the Pentagon. But there's reporters that don't have Internet
access that haven't had it for like over a year,
just in certain parts of the press core wing so
pretty wild. Usually I just run outside and report my

(01:32):
news from the outdoors. But we're inside. This is insider. Look,
we're almost done.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
How is the food in the Pentagon. I've never been
to the Pentagon, you know, I've I've worked in Langley
for years. Never I went to all of White House Congress,
a bunch of different Intel Intel Agency buildings. Never went
to the Pentagon.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Well, listen, Buck, haven't you you know this doesn't the CIA.
The CIA always has the best food, the best ye
Lot cafeteria. That stuff still stands. But I will say
the Pentagon Pentagon slaps when it comes to the food
because I worked at the White House, you know, so
like I saw the cafeteria, I see the Capitol Hill Cafeteria.

(02:10):
Pentagon Cafetia is pretty good. The IA one is definitely
still number one. But yeah, they got a courtyard. Actually,
funny funny fact about the courtyard. It used to there's
in the middle of the courtyard is a pot bellies now,
but it used to be a hot dog stand and
back in like the nineties, I believe it was the
nineties eighties or nineties, Russia was trying to do surveillance

(02:31):
on the Pentagon and they thought that this hot dog
stand was They didn't know it was a hot dog stand.
They thought it was some sort of like secret part
of the Pentagon that no one knew about. And so
then Peagon officials drew a bull's eye on top of
the hot dog stands and let Russia know it was
in fact a hot dog stand. Anyway, there's that.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, Langley, we used to I used to get like pressed,
fresh pressed panini and with my cappuccino. You know, it
was a very I'm big serious by the way, like
they actually had pretty good, pretty good food over there.
I hope that internet works, considering that you're at the
institution that has the biggest military budget on the planet,
so hopefully the internet can stay.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, they're moving. They're bumping up, which I'm sure you've
talked about this already. It's true around nine hundred billion
spending and now they're bumping it up to one trillion,
which I imagine that a lot of that has to
do with the Golden Dome at a minimum, but they
do have DoD does have some questions that need to
be answered, considering that the f eighteens of the USS Truman,

(03:27):
two of which over the last week have been lost.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
What's the Golden Dome?

Speaker 1 (03:33):
The Golden Dome, you know, the Golden Dome. It's similar,
of course to the Iron Dome in which we are
anticipating that the dog is going to roll out. I
believe it's by twenty twenty seven. The end of twenty
twenty seven, they will have hopefully some sort of final
beta testing for infrastructure to intercept any sort of missiles
or any threats via satellite imagery to be able to

(03:57):
knock down. Just very similar to the Iron Dome of Israel.
And you know with the Iron Dome, and I'm sure
people know this. I know that you know this book,
but we talk about the Iron Dome a lot, especially
this past week considering that the foot were able to
reach the Iron Dome Israel saying that there was some
sort of technical failure and they're doing an investigation. But

(04:19):
the failure piece was we have our THAD missiles and
our Patriot batteries that are being utilized. We just gave
a second one recently of literally about a month ago
to the date to Israel. And that portion appeared to
have some sort of malfunction to they were able to
detect that missile coming on through the Iron Dome, but

(04:40):
weren't able to actually respond and intercept it, which is
pretty wild considering the damage that was done.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
So hopefully you are something of an autopen expert and
you can tell everybody why that is, and you think
that there's a very good chance that the autopen was
being used in the latter part of Biden's administration, let's say,
perhaps particularly his final year. Why and what would that mean?

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah? Absolutely, so, Yeah, I worked at the Executive Clerk's office.
It's one of the oldest office of the executive branch
and of which those people do not change per administration.
So and before I even worked there, when I was
working in the IT department, I service that office very
regularly during the Obama administration. So I've seen the autopen,
I know how it works, and then utilized it myself

(05:30):
when I was an executive clerk. But it's not even
the last year, I think is where the media was
hyper fixated on whether or not Biden had this cognitive decline.
I mean there's people, I mean, our former reporter here
at Oaan was doing a full special about Biden's decline
mentally well before the media was even talking about that
in the beginning of the administration, So I'm actually saying

(05:52):
he utilized the autopen from the beginning of his administration
all four years. When you look at those signatures, that
autopen signature gets updated and reflective of the most current signature.
Over time. People's hands can get a little bit shakier
as they get older or whatever it is they decide
to like add a I don't know, like a little
star or an asterisk over some sort of letter in
their name. Like signatures can change naturally over time, the

(06:13):
autopen will reflect any changes. The autopen was never changed.
And the signature of Joe Biden, the alleged signature, right,
the authentic one, never changed either. Majority of those executive
orders within those four years never had any ounce of
squiggle or a mess for that shows an authentic signature.
And I'm sure being at the CIA right like you

(06:36):
see human signature collection. So being able to discern signatures
in and of itself is it's not that it's it's
pretty easy, but someone probably with your background you could
look at that and go okay, yeah, that appears to
be machinery, especially when it's identical. So being understanding the
autopen and from my perspective from being in that office,

(06:56):
those signatures are mostly autopen. And when you talk about
who has the authority over that, the execus, I'm not
blaming the executive Clerk's office at all. Again, they've retained
historically they are part of an email thread from the
beginning of time for any ounce of document that requires
presidential authority, presidential signature, so most commonly would be say

(07:19):
your executive orders, your proclamations, your memos, disaster declarations, whatever
it may be, you see those from start to finish.
I saw those from start to finish, so from the
drafts to General Counsel being involved and putting in their
two cents, from National Security Council if they're necessary to
be involved, or any other agencies as well. You see
all of those additions from start to finish. At the

(07:40):
very end, the staff secretary, So that's who the executive
clerks answer to directly. They are given in this email
thread that the very last bless off the words ready
for ap ready for autopen, and that comes from the
main staff secretary. When that happens. You print the document
off nice White House bond paper, and you bring it
up to records management, who actually manns the autopen, put

(08:03):
the document under there, watch the signature, go give it
to the West Wing, and that's it. We make a
press release and then that's when everybody knows. And especially
in Biden's case, because compared to say President Trump in
his first term and certainly in the second term, he's
signing everything in person, the press releases are being done,
but press is knowing simultaneously. Not the case during Biden.

(08:24):
Those press releases were going out because there was hardly
any coverage of live in person signature anyways. Point being
GOP oversight. Lots of Republicans hyper focused back at the
end of the term saying was Biden fully aware of
the things that he was signing and saying that they're
going to do an investigation and using taxpayer funded resources.

(08:45):
I would just say every ounce of anything that President
Biden at that time had ever signed was completely stored
in email traffic from the White House Microsoft Outlook account.
So it's all there, and if you wanted to even
look and question anyone at any given time, you would
look at the staff Secretary, of which there were three.

(09:07):
You had near a tandent, you had Stephanie Feldman, and
you had Jessica Hurtz. You had three. And that's all
you need to do is look at them, question and
evaluate the email chain for every single thing that utilized
the autopen because it has to be recorded. The executive
clerks would never ever put out a presidential signature on

(09:30):
autopen without the direct authority from the staff secretary. That's
their main job.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
That was the deepest dive on autopen I have ever
heard or experienced. So that is a very interesting background.
Thank you for that. We let's talk here in a
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might might be totally null and void, but we'll see
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that the Hoothies are gonna stop attacking ships. What can
you tell us about what's going on with this?

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah? I think that came to a surprise from everybody
because especially with me covering the DoD, I mean that
was we entered into day fifty one starting on Monday,
of daily air precision strikes against the hoo Thies in
the Red Sea, specifically per us dood right, and we
know all these rapid response accounts are very active online

(10:51):
and it has been a constant we will not stop
until they stop, right. I found it really surprising watching
President Trump and the Oval Office talk about this, because
the main crux of the reasoning or directing the DoD
to withhold and refrain from any further in engagement with
the Houthis in the Red Sea was that the quote

(11:13):
being we need to take their word for it. I
will take their word for it. I'll take the word
of the Hoothies for it. But then you saw immediately
after that you had personnel from the Hoothis spokespeople or
spokesman from the Houthies directly saying that they're denying all
the accounts of any sort of agreement. But it's a
dicey situation, right because even if there is a refrain

(11:36):
in the Red Sea between the WHO and the UK
super involved with all the bombers that we bring into
Diego Garcia, for your viewers, that's a joint base between
the US and the UK. We have all of these
assets that are pre set in stage to act beyond
just these air precision strikes. So you have that one
element that's happening in the Red Sea. Then the other

(11:58):
element being like we talked about earlier when we first
started speaking to each other, was talking about the Iron
Dome being infiltrated by a Hoothy strike. Right. So it's
dicey because you're we're saying the United States postures itself
to be an ally of Israel and wanting the Houthis

(12:18):
to stop any strikes or aggression towards Israel. But at
the same rate, do we like kind of pick and
choose our wins or our losses here and be happy
that maybe the Red Sea is actually absolved. I mean,
Iran has a really terrible economy, and that is one
of the reasons why China is a huge uh fund

(12:40):
huge fund funder to the houthies to include satcom satellite
imagery or the houthis to actually execute their strikes because
Iran's capabilities are just like, they're just not a match
for China. So that's kind of the latest and was
news to everyone in that moment at the Oval office yesterday.
I will say, we do get which I appreciated. Uh

(13:03):
since yesterday the Pentagon gave us a full fledged rolodex
of for or news networks, and so I was looking
at Yemen, I was looking at Iran and parsing out
what they were trying to say via Google Translate. They
were confirming that Oman was the mediator between these conversations

(13:24):
alleged conversations between the United States and the Huthis. So
I think this is more of a time we'll tell,
but a stark, huge pivot from what we've been saying,
what the DoD has been saying since since mid.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
March is that the single biggest thing right now that's
on in terms of conflict, the d D radar or
a d D radar or is uh is India Pakistan
something that everyone just thinks is going to be contained.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
So the defense officials haven't been super aggressive on formally
saying too much when it comes to Indian and Pakistan.
And you know this, like traditionally, the d D is
never going to get ahead of anything that President Trump says.
If anyone, it's been more of Trump and more or
Rubio being the loudest in the arena when it comes

(14:12):
to just US agencies talking about Pakistan and India. But
there is this element of you have these two nuclear
forces and neither I'm almost looking at it in a
sense of in this arena, a lot of these countries
to the US two be included, are stretched a little
thin when it comes to denuclearization or any other further escalations.

(14:34):
When you have what's going on between Ukraine and Russia,
where you have what's going on in Gaza, and then
of course all these these ongoing conversations which again that
deadline for Iran to denuclearize, that deadline has far pasted
at this point. So there's a lot of unknowns, and
it doesn't bode well for any party, right, because you
have India, you know, the United States aligning a lot

(14:55):
more with India, right considering our history, especially because Mody
is such an ally with President Trump. But then on
the other end, you have China Beijing, both of which
US and China have been mimicking the same thing, staying
that they would call for a de escalation. But I mean,
since nineteen forty seven, there's been what been three wars

(15:15):
between the two, They've had constant escalation. I do find
it interesting that it's happening now at a time where
there's again these other other forces, because again, this has
always been an ongoing thing between India and Pakistan. I
will say I can't imagine it going much further, considering
that the day being today May seventh, India announces their

(15:39):
operation against Pakistan and allegedly loses Pakistan, saying they took
down five aircraft. Other outlets British officials were saying about two,
could be three. So you lose that many aircraft within
twenty less than twenty four hours of announcing your operation strikes.
At the same time, is constantly saying and reiterating over

(16:01):
and over again. Hey, we're doing this in retaliation of
that April twenty second terror attack and nothing more versus
saying that we kind we want completely and indefinitely deter
and eliminate Pakistan or terrorists within Pakistan, right like that
is significantly different than what we see, say in Iran,

(16:23):
in Gaza, or even between Ukraine in Russia.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
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what's going on in the Pentagon? I know that the
court has now ruled in favor of the Trump administration
and Secretary hag Sets moves, But just tell everybody what
was the trans ban? Is what people are calling it

(17:54):
in the military. You know, has it gone into effect
and what happens now?

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah? Absolutely so it did go into effect. And this
was one of the first big memos that hag Set
had rolled out about two months ago at this point,
and there was a lot of noise. People defiant in
the sense that basically what this is watering it down
is that if you are transgender fully medical, mental, all
of those evaluations transgender, you are not fit to serve.

(18:22):
You're not fit to serve in combat locations, you're not deployable.
That's the keyword, right, deployable. And it comes down to
very simply outside of any of this, no different than
whether or not you're medically compliant, is that if you're
not medically compliance, case closed, it's over. And then there's
also that element of operationally if you were to be
on a deployment and you need it to be in

(18:43):
contact with, say your medical provider, have medications, have a psychiatrist,
of which most transgenders do, no matter what part of
the transition they are in. That already is a security
threat in and of itself. You can't just have an
open line or have open access or a full on
supply for however long you need. When it comes to

(19:04):
certain medications, all that type of stuff needs to be
cleared for whatever deployment you're going on. So this is
no different and very much in compliant on the medical
side for the military. Well before any of this was
kind of rolled back, and it was all rolled back
during the Biden administration in which they allowed for transgender

(19:25):
So it's kind of going back to we're gonna cut
the fat if you're not deployable, then we're not you're
not employable either, because other than that, if you're not
going on these trips or these assignments or tasking orders,
then you're sitting at a desk instead or being given
some sort of other job to fulfill in the interim

(19:46):
of the rest of your unit going on missions. So
this is kind of this is good news. This is
good news. It's completely compatible. I mean, this is no different.
Then you want to run it back for a hot second.
This is no different than during I mean actually it's
very different. But the crux of it being like the CIA,
for example, the military did it, all the agencies did it.

(20:06):
You're undeployable if you didn't get the COVID vaccine. Now
that's like it was buck Wilde literally. But if that's
how they determine deployability, then okay, Like it's wrong if anyone,
but like, okay, but this is like purely because they
thought it was like a real you know, not a plandemic.
It was a real issue. Sure, but if you crack

(20:28):
of what I'm saying, maybe not maybe No.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
I get I get you, I get I get what
you're putting down. Yeah, I leave it. We gotta leave
it there for today, but people can go watch your
latest reporting, missus Gabrielle Kucia at One America News. She
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