April 26, 2022 • 37 mins
Clay's Thesis statement: "I really believe that Elon Musk buying Twitter is the most significant thing that has occurred from a First Amendment perspective in the 21st century." The Elon Effect: Clay and Buck each gain more than 10,000 followers overnight. MSNBC’s Ari Melber frets about Elon Musk buying Twitter: He can rig the entire site! Trump says he will not return to Twitter. C&B think this may be best, and Clay also says this could be due to Trump's possible exclusivity to Truth Social. New York Times Maggie Haberman: Twitter did Trump a favor by banning him and actually hurt the Democrats. Federal judge will temporarily block Biden administration from lifting Title 42. Pollster Mark Penn: American voters haven’t been afraid like this in a long time.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in. It is the Tuesday edition
of The Clay Travison Buck Sexton Show, and we are
tap dancing a little bit after a monster win that
came down at the end of yesterday show. Elon Musk
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has officially bought Twitter, and almost immediately Buck and I
have seen our overall follower counts skyrocket up by over
ten thousand each. And you may not think that's a
very big deal, but both of us see this as
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a fairly consequential outcome that is unlikely to be occurring
in a world where Elon Musk hasn't bought Twitter. We're
going to dive into the overall importance of what Elon
Musk represents here. Also federal judge saying that Title forty
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two cannot be ended on May twenty third. We will
discuss some of that as the border crisis continues to
reach a crescendo. Will also continue to discuss Biden's falling
poll numbers and what they may represent. We've got a
couple of great guests, Douglas Murray and Miranda Divine going
to be with us in the third hour. But right
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off the top here thesis statement from me. I really
believe that Elon Musk buying Twitter is the most significant
thing that has occurred from a First Amendment perspective in
the twenty first century. I believe it is going to
change things in a seismic way in terms of our discussion,
in terms of the power that Facebook and Instagram and
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TikTok and YouTube and all of these different platforms, Google, Apple,
all of them are now going to have of some
eyesight on the choices that they are making because I
believe Elon Musk is going to publicize a lot of
the internal data at Twitter, which will give us optics
on many other sites as it pertains to their algorithms.
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But let's start here, buck, When was the last time
that you added over ten thousand Twitter followers in a day?
Has it ever happened that you can remember in the
time that you've been on too, It would have to
be back in the day of Trump retweets. So we're
going back years and I don't even think that I
don't even think that did it. I think maybe a
couple thousand from the Trump retweet era. But to see
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for those who are listening, it's like, and I know
so many of you aren't on Twitter, so she's like,
why is this such a big deal? For This is
where so many ideas start and then gain support and
then filter into the rest of the information page. Your
front page comes from Twitter. If you read a newspaper,
it is in many ways coming through the Twitter marketplace
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of ideas. If you watch a show on television, it
is in many ways no matter where, it is being
distilled through the prism of Twitter. For people out there
who are not active, that is kind of a rough
approximation of what's going on on a day to day basis.
And so now what we're seeing is that people like
Clay and me who have been saying for years this
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is rigged. They're shutting things down, they're shenanigans going on.
They're lying. Twitter was lying to the American people for
years about not actually having political censorship underway, just about safety.
You know, you know this daily mail piece. I see
this person who is Twitter's lead for Global curation standards,
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who's very upset about this global curation standards. I didn't
even know that was a job title they had there.
This is actually Orwellian people abuse that term all the time.
But the notion that there should be a person who
is curated, which is just another way of saying imposing
their own beliefs and editing, picking, picking and choosing ideas, personalities, concepts,
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political movements on a global scale for everybody to see
on this platform just goes to show you like, who
is this person? What? What are her beliefs? Why do
we have to be subjected to them? And for people
say it's oh, it's a private first of all, as
we all know it is. It's a private company now.
It was a public company before, not a state enterprise,
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but it's a private company about to be and I
guess it can do what it wants. But Clay, they've
built this platform with the promise that it would be
free speech and they've lied to people. That's what they
decided to weaponize, an open free speech platform all across
the political all across issues, and they're lying to you
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now about what's really going on. They keep saying it's
gonna be They're saying Elon Musk is a child of
apartheid South Africa and a racist. You know, he's a
bad person, and he's they're they're going after him of
all this stuff. The things that upset the right that
we can't say on Twitter are things like masks don't work,
which they don't, that men are not women, which they aren't.
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I mean, there's very there's very straightforward rules that we
talk about. They never even addressed this. You don't see
Stelter over at CMN, and you don't see I don't
know where the view is on this. They'd probably be like,
what's Twitter? You know, Joy Behar weighing in. I want
to play a couple of cuts. Sometimes you can tell
you're in a good spot when the people who are
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the angry ones are the angry ones. And by the way,
I put up ten suggestions for Elon Musk. I just
clicked publish right before we set down for this show.
I spend a lot of time on Twitter, way too much,
to be honest. I probably should have spent more time
on Instagram and YouTube and Facebook because they're wildly more popular.
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But my media come and he basically came to exist
in many ways through Twitter, and so I'm obligated to
be sharing stuff all day long, as you know Buck.
Oh yeah, no, my man Clay tweets a lot. Folks
does missus tell the truth. Does missus Travis ever take
the phone away at the dinner table and say, Clay,
that's enough tweeting. I Buck, this is the truth. Do
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you know? Do you ever look at your iPhone and
see how much time you spend on your phone? I
try not here because it's depressing. I spend eight hours
a day on my phone. Wow. Now, partly that's when
we're here doing the show, Like I'm scrolling. You're scrolling,
like for three hours to see what the news is.
But that's not counting the other amounts of time that
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are out there, and a lot of it is on Twitter.
The vast majority of the time that I spend on
any app. If you look at it breaks down how
much time you spend on apps, The vast majority of
my time is on Twitter. So I have been initially
wildly enthusias astic about the future of Twitter a decade ago.
I was before the censor culture took over, before identity
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politics and cancel culture took over. I was all in
on Twitter. I think Elon Musk can rescue it. But
let's listen to First of all, this is ari Ari
Melbur He's on MSNBC. I don't know him at all,
but I want you to listen to him. This feels
like satire because he's suddenly realizing weight if Elon Musk
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wants to he can rig the entire site and control
what you see and don't see. And the lack of
awareness from this in min MSNBC opinionist is staggering because
many of you out there gonna say, yeah, that's what's
been going on for years, You nincompoop. Listen. You own
all of Twitter or Facebook or what have you. You
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don't have to explain yourself. You don't even have to
be transparent. You could secretly ban one party's candidate or
all of its candidates, all of its nominees, or you
could just secretly turn down the reach of their stuff
and turn up the reach of something else, and the
rest of us might not even find out about it
till after the election. Alon Must says this is all
to help people, because he is just stay free speech,
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philosophically clear, open minded helper Clay. Can I just say,
I wonder if this mister Melburg is aware of the
fact that Twitter banned a sitting United States president. The
actual President of the United States, Donald J. Trump, was
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booted from this platform. He had over eighty million followers
something like that, and they kicked off the actual leader
of the free world. Okay, and I said it at
the time. That was a crossing of the rubicon moment.
That was when, you know, we focus a lot more
now on the Hunter Biden laptop because that story is ongoing, really,
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but when they booted and of course there was the
suppression of that story to try to throw the election
to Biden. Isn't it interesting they like their social media
platforms like they like their elections. Clay rig and here,
why thank you? Here? We are seeing that they went
to that length and everything that we thought about them
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when they booted the president off, which is wow, this
is a straight up like it's like a DNC propaganda operation.
Now doesn't have to do it all the time because
I know what the sort of low IQ lib crowd
will say, Oh, but you and Clay are on Twitter. Yeah,
but in key moments on lockdowns, on masks, on election integrity,
on what happened in Georgia, what happened in Arizona, on
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the Hunter Biden laptop, they shut that stuff down. If
we were totally all booted off of Twitter, it wouldn't
a propaganda has to be believable enough, this is whatever,
and has to understand they only have to really push
down hard on the scale in key moments. It doesn't
have to be across the board on everything. Yeah, we say,
Joe Biden, is you know, look Seen Island absurd? Because
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you know true, they'll let us say that stuff. But
when it's really important to them, when it comes to
the transgender agenda, for example, and you know sports and
dead naming and all these different things, that's where they
turned the screws and shut down the right. That's where
they actually use the pressure. And our boy, so that's
MSNBC CNN was also really unhappy about suddenly Elon Musk
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buying Twitter and our Boy Brian Stelter, he was really
upset by this, and in fact, he was saying, do
you want to go to a party with total I'm sorry,
do you want to go to a party with total freedom? Yeah? Actually,
I kind of Delter wasn't invited to a lot of
parties in high school. Let's be honest. I mean, I
don't like to be that guy. But let's listen to
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cut two. As Brian Stelter freaks out about the party
that you might be invited to and there's no rules, Guys,
why wouldn't be positive for him to be back, to
have a huge megaphone, to maybe run for president with
his huge megaphone. This would be a plus for Donald Trump.
You could also make the case that Donald Trump suddenly
be back in the news is very visible in a
way that he hasn't been, would remind people of exactly
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why he was, why he lost his election, and why
he's why he was booted from office. So look, who knows?
I think that's a that's a That's an example of
a broader question for Twitter, which is if you can
invited to something where there are no rules, where there
is total freedom forever everybody, do you actually want to
go to that party? Or are you gonn decide to
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stay home? And that's a question for Twitter users. Can
I just ask you, Clay, do you want to go
to the party where the beer is just flood from
kegs with their beautiful whipid without hall monitors president and
where people are danzig rhythmic lead a loud music. Do
you want to go to that party? I think you do. Yes.
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Some of the girls might not wear fully covered. They
might have covered their full bodies. They might even be
in haltertops or skirts. Their legs might be visible. They
might be in heels, they might have done their hair.
They might be good. What gig is that the kind
of party that you want to go to? Brian Stelter
doesn't want to go to that party. I just I mean,
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it's an easy joke to make. But first of all,
there are rules, Like I haven't ever been to a
party where you just walk in and be like, hey,
there's the keg over there. But by the way, that
guy has a gun and he might he's gonna shoot
somebody every five minutes at the party like that. Every
party has rules, every party has ever replace And so
actually his analogy, if we're gonna be labored a little
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bit here, yeah, no, you're you're you know, people are
welcome to the Twitter party. They're not allowed to burn
the house down, Kurt. They also can't decide I don't
like your baseball hats, so you don't get to get
to the keg. You know. They also can't just be
arbitrary and capricious about who's actually allowed to You can't
walk in and just say, oh, your music, I don't
like it, they should be no music in this party.
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If you're a guest, like you don't get to make
that choice. And if you don't like the party, you
can leave, which is that easy analogy as well. I
want to make my pitch hit Clay. We come back
about how this is going to affect the ripple effect
of this, and I actually do have faith and it
is faith, I mean and Elon we trust when it
comes to Twitter and social media now right, I mean
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he could, yes, we don't know yet, but I have
faith that he's going to do this and it will
have massive, second order, massive ripple effects on other social
media platforms and on the national political conversation. And I
think you're even going to look at this as a
moment that, Wow, the Left was already losing ground going
into this mid term. This is like we just put
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don't really believe in. They don't really believe in freedom
of speech. I've got to tell you, Elizabeth Warren how
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Leadershipeth Warren among them, she has tweeted out Clay, I'm
sure you saw this, that Elon Musk's purchase of Twitter
is dangerous for our democracy. If you're wondering how this
is such a big deal, think about what the Democrats
response to this is. They are exposing themselves for being petty, tyrants,
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obsessed with the power to shut down any words they
don't like, to elevate really stupid, flimsy, indefensible ideas. This
whole concept, and I want ever to remember this, the
whole concept you here of disinformation. Disinformation has become the buzzword, really,
the code word for we will shut you down for
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saying this. The only reason they've been able to even
get as far with this, Clay as they have is
because they had total control of the social media platforms
to decide that something was disinformation and to act on it.
Now contrarian positions have to actually be dealt with in
the public square, or soon I should say that will happen. Yeah,
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and look, Elizabeth Warren, I just it is perfect evidence
to me, Buck of sometimes the people who are attacking
you let you know that you're on the right side.
And what Elizabeth Warren is effectively arguing here, think about
who has become the villain. Elon Musk was the patron
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saint of left wingers because he managed to build an
electric car company and theoretically helped to create some energy
independence because it gave people an option not to have
to buy a gas powered vehicle. And he also is
sending rockets to space more efficiently, effectively and affordably than
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NASA was able to do. And they now hate him
because he's going to say, hey, you know what, maybe
it's not a bad idea to allow people to make
their own and share their own opinions. That's what they're
upset with, Buck. They are angry because Elon Musk is
not going to be censoring enough on social media to
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and maybe dive into this and some other things. Clay
Trump says he's not going back on Twitter. What do
we think? And is that going to hold? That's all
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We are here because we're starting to stack some dubs.
I gotta be honest with you, Buck. When you think
about CNN plus shutting down, losing three hundred million dollars,
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and you also then add in the fact that Elon
Musk has bought Twitter, that the mask mandate has come
plumbing down thanks to the judge in Florida, and that
Joe Biden's approval ratings continue to tank. All of those
things are stacking up dubs for the good guys. And
the question you asked as we went to break, I
think is one that is of paramount discussion and importance.
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What should Twitter do with Donald Trump? What should Donald
Trump do with Twitter? And how do we assess that impact.
My theory Buck, and I was sharing this yesterday, is
I think that as part of his relationship with truth
Social that Trump has likely agreed that he I don't
know this for certain. This is just my theory that
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Trump has likely agreed that he will not rejoin Twitter,
and so I think that's why he's saying that he
won't rejoin Twitter, because he's got an equity stake in
truth Social. And if you were investing in truth Social,
one of the clear landmines out there would be, well,
what if Twitter invited you back? What are we buying
as a part of your exclusivity. I think they've got
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him exclusively, but I actually think Elon Musk should invite
Donald Trump back on Twitter. I think that would be
the right call. I think Elon Musk taking over Twitter
should make the opinion Alex Barrenson Babylon B I think
he should wipe out all Twitter bannings and in the
concept of we're going to kick people off of Twitter
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for what they say. In my opinion, and the question
that is out there is does Trump actually benefit from
being off Twitter? We've argued that the answer may well
be yes, because the people who are most likely to
decide to embrace Donald Trump or not are many of
them are suburban women, these swing voters. Maggie Haberman at
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The New York Times actually, I think picked up on
the argument that we've been making the past couple of days.
He or she is making it as well. He has
people put out yesterday that he's not going to go
back on Twitter, even with Elon must buying it. Let's
see whether that holds true in a couple of months.
I think it's very hard for him. He has to
say that, because otherwise it craters that deal from what
the social media deal of his own, which from which
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he stands to make money. That thing's not going well.
I tend to assume what he wants is to be
back on Twitter. But look, I think that when you
look at it politically, Republicans and Democrats will both tell
you that Twitter did Donald Trump a favor and actually
hurt Democrats by taking him off Twitter. He seems to
be a central player politically the same way, and you've
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got less of a reminder daily of the things he's
willing to say. So let's see where this gouss. There
is an indicator here, Clay of what I think truth
in what she's saying, and that is the daily news
cycle that Democrats try to run with is January six,
Trump interaction from white supremacy Trump. All the time, they
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keep trying to bring it back, and this is their
game plan going into the midterms. To anyone who has
even a little bit of objectivity, it feels pathetic and desperate.
Right Donald Trump is not president, not even elected office.
The guys playing golf, hanging on tomorrow lago. You know,
you've seen him down there. I've seen him. He's having
a great time. He's not in any way somebody who
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should be driving the left, the Democrat news cycle right now,
But they've they created such a I mean, CNN, for example,
just became an anti Trump network. I mean that it
existed to oppose Donald Trump, which I think led very
directly into the collapse of CNN Plus because what are
they what are they offering on their main channel right now?
Never mind with CNN Plus. And so there is this
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possibility that it will reinvigorate, if, if you will, the left,
if Trump were on Twitter and saying things, and they
could say, oh, look at what he's done here, look
at what he's done there that all said. If he
runs again for president, there's just no way he's not
gonna get it. I just don't believe. There's no way
he's not gonna get back on Twitter. I just don't
believe it that would be possible. Here is what I
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would be doing. If I advised Donald Trump associated with this,
I would be putting the polling in front of him
on a regular basis. This came out yesterday. Buck Insider
Advantage and the Harvard Harris poll both polled Trump versus
Biden head to head. Insider Advantage had Trump up for
general election. Harvard Harris had Trump up too. By the way,
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all of this, if I'm sitting there and saying to Trump, look,
you're gonna win whoever the Republicans nominate in twenty twenty four,
if Joe Biden truly runs, should win. The only way
you don't win is if the story shifts from Biden
is a disaster too. Let's talk about something other than
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Biden being a disaster. Election should be a referendum when
there is an incumbent on the incumbent in office or
the incumbent party in office. And so I'm putting in
front of Donald Trump, Hey, things are going really well
for you. You come on, you do an hour with
Clay and Buck every now and then you go do
your Sean Hannity interviews, You hop on with friendly media.
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I wouldn't be encouraging. And when I say friendly media,
I mean people who don't think that Donald Trump is
the devil incarnate, because a huge percentage of the media does.
I don't think he gains by talking to those people.
But I think those middle of the road voters, they're
sitting around and they're saying, you know what, I may
not have loved Trump. These are the persuadable middle of
the road. But he was nowhere near as bad as
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Biden is on every issue. My concern is Twitter makes
the issue Trump again as opposed to Biden. Yeah, and
you also have there must be I think if Trump
is going to run for a second term, which it
looks like he is. We don't know yet. It's a
way off, but there's gonna need to be people around
him is say, Okay, this time, you already crushed the media.
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You brought CNN to its knees. You know, it was
highly entertaining, it was amazing. Now it's time, you know,
round two. If assuming we get there, it's not a
circus anymore. It's serious. Now is when the agenda gets implemented.
Now's when the wall gets finished. Now is when the
promises that are made are all promises kept. And because
even Trump would say, look it was supposed to have
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eight years, right, so for no one thinks it all
got done in four years. But that shift from circus
to seriousness. Now the media is of course going to
say insurrection that they're gonna but I'm saying block that
out for a second. From what Trump and the people
around him could do a renewed sense of focus and
a lack of distraction. Now there are gonna be some
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people will say they're not confident necessarily that's a shift
that's pople Yeah, I will have to see, but I
do think that's important and will be important going forward
to bring back Look, there there were a lot of
working class voters that did not that that did not
put aside the fraud and the cheating. I'm just if
you look at the numbers, there were working class voters
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in Michigan and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania who didn't who didn't
turn out in twenty twenty the way they did in
twenty sixteen, there were there were some problems here and
that to address that properly the next time around, there
needs to be a sense of focus, a sense of
purpose and pursuing the agenda and the mission and not
you know, just slapping around Joe Scarborough on Twitter for kicks. Yeah,
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and look, I think the question becomes, do you want
to dominate right or do you want to be sitting
late at night worried about where those final ballots are
going to come in? Right? Because twenty sixteen narrow victory,
twenty twenty by the numbers, narrow loss, basically one hundred thousand,
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one hundred and fifty thousand vote swing. I really believe
that Trump could dominate, especially in the electoral College in
twenty twenty four, if he runs the campaign of Hey,
I wasn't perfect, but Biden is a disaster, and I
will fix the mess that he created. That's the message.
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That's the message, and a sentence. I'm big on buck
When I used to teach I talk creative writing back
in the day at Vanderbilt in a different life. I'm
big on if you can distill anything into a sentence.
Story and a sentence is huge Trump's story and a
sentence is to me. I wasn't perfect as president, but
I was way better than Joe Biden, and I will
fix everything that he's gotten wrong. That's a landslide win,
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but it's if it's Joe Biden saying I'm not perfect,
but Donald Trump is going to be tweeting like crazy
and he's not gonna let you sleep comfortably at night.
That a right on the periphery moment of in twenty
twenty four winner loss again and obsessed with the twenty
twenty election. This is the other thing. Yeah, this is
the other thing. We're really going to talk about this.
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How do we move How do we become a Republican
party that can have a conversation about the leader of
the party that is helpful going forward, that is not
just is not just always cheering section. This is going
to be an issue. I worry about this. Yes, you
have to address the concerns of twenty twenty for the
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next election, But there's a difference between making sure that
we work on election integrity and that people have full
faith and a sense of accountability in the elections and
sounding like you're complaining about it. Still, Yeah, there's a difference.
It's great. It might be a bit subtle, but there
is a difference in these things. And my hope is
that twenty twenty two is such a landslide that that
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puts twenty twenty in the background and we start to
focus on twenty twenty four. Because elections are about the future,
they're not typically about the past. All of these are
going to be big, monumentally important conversations to have. And
if Rohnda Santis can win in Florida, let's say, by
a few hundred thousand votes after winning by forty votes, yeah,
it means that you know, elections can have consequences and
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really good ones too. You know you want to run
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immigration Title forty two getting removed or not. Maybe we've
got a judge who was said no, no, no, not
so fast, and ironically this could actually benefit the Democrats
and honestly the country against the Democrats protests and all
their anger. We'll get into that though, and the politics
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around it, the realities of what's going on in our
southern border, and of course some of the problems that
we are already seeing that are happening because we don't
have an administration that believes in the rule of law
when it comes to immigration. But first there is I
think you're noticing a very real panic. I mean, Clay,
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they're not quite like, they're not quite at the just
you know, run for the exits, get to the bunker.
But the Democrats are definitely feeling right now like it's
almost may Man's gonna turn in June real fast. Not
a lot happens in politics over the summer, and they're
looking at the at the reckoning. We just call it
hashtag the reckoning in politics this fall that we've been
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telling you, and by the way we are we are
pedal to the metal. We are push all the way.
A win that any Democrat on air at MSNBC isn't
basically in tears over is not good enough. That's the
If there aren't lived tears on MSNBC, we will not
be happy with the results. Here is a democratic polster, smart,
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very smart fellow, mister Mark Penn, saying that Democrats haven't
been scared like this in a long time. I think
there are a lot of ways the president can do that,
but it involves a big reversal policy. Look, I think
voters are feeling like the nuclear fears of the fifties,
the crime fears of the eighties and nineties, the inflation
fears of the seventies, and all of these things are
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happening at once. The administration's got to take big, bold
action here. It's got to reverse the energy policy. It's
got to find real compromises the way we did in
the nineties. If the administration doesn't act big, it can
take on these big issues. Look, every president wants to
do a particular job, but that job gets changed by
the real circumstances, as you will know, after nine to
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eleven happened with Bush. Look, these big problems happened here
for Biden, he's got to address him in big ways.
Voters haven't been this afraid in a long time. You
add all those big issues together, Clay, there's nothing. What
is the big I will just note what is the
big move that Biden could do without in the eyes
of his base betraying them. There's nothing. He's not going
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to do anything. That's the only thing I think is
the Elizabeth Warrens of a world may get their way
where the Democrats recognize that they're staring down an oncoming
train and that there's no way to step out of
the way of it, and so they just decide to
push through even more liberal, left wing bills because they
know they're not going to be able to do it
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for the next two years. I think that's what we're seeing.
We're going to dive into the border situation and illegal
immigration here in a minute. And we've kept our promise
to you folks. We are watching this closely and every
time we can tell you what's going on there. Because
the whole country needs to know about it. It is
you know, you just filed your taxes. You better or
else right, because the rule of law, there is no
rule of law to the southern border. It's a joke.
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It's a mess. And the Biden administration isn't just complicit.
They're pushing this, They're they're deal. They're making it impossible
for border patrol to do their jobs and for us
to actually have sovereignty. But Clay, I do I think
that maybe the whole Title forty two thing in in
a sense this maybe getting ahead of where we're about
to go, is they figure, you know what, just open
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the we're gonna get We're gonna it crushed in the
midterms anyway, open the floodgates. We'll turn them into Democrat voters.
In five years or ten years or whatever. The far
left base will be happy. We'll regroup after the midterms
then there might be some sanity. But for right now,
let everybody in who can get here is the idea,
because Democrats really do want an open border. That's my
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concern basically is that they just go pedal to the metal,
recognizing that they're going to lose the House and that
they're going to lose the Senate. Now, it's important to mention,
and we'll talk about this with title forty two when
we come back, that there are a lot of Democrats,
pretty much all of them in toss up states Arizona,
New Hampshire, Georgia, Nevada, New Mexico, even which is maybe
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kind of floating around out there. There are a bunch
of Democrats that are saying no, no, no no to this
title forty two idea. And it makes me wonder how
far left wing might they go because they've basically given
up on the chance of having any real success in
the midterms, and why not try and get things past
in the meantime. I could see the Elizabeth Warrens of
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the world winning that argument. I think they've boxed themselves
into a corner because anything that would stop the flow,
some of those things are what Trump was doing, and
you can't do that, right, Clay, You can't a bit
Trump was right on any aspect of the border. So
what are they going to do. I think they're going
to try to hide the numbers or hide the people
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rather who are coming in. We're going to dive into
this in the second with you folks, what do you think?
And remember a third hour, we'll have our friends Douglas Murray,
author of War on the West with Us, as well
as Miranda Divine, the One and Only on the latest,
the Biden Crime Family. That's all third Hour. It's going
to be fantastic coming up. We'll do border issues, deep
dive illegal immigration. What's Biden going to do next on
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this issue? Eight hundred two two two eight a two
on the phone lines. Love to hear your thoughts, team,
and we will be back with you. Clay and Buck
going strong into the second hour. It's how we do
with it. Sleet, Travis and Buck Sexton on the front
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lines of truth.
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in. It is the Tuesday edition
of The Clay Travison Buck Sexton Show, and we are
tap dancing a little bit after a monster win that
came down at the end of yesterday show. Elon Musk
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has officially bought Twitter, and almost immediately Buck and I
have seen our overall follower counts skyrocket up by over
ten thousand each. And you may not think that's a
very big deal, but both of us see this as
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a fairly consequential outcome that is unlikely to be occurring
in a world where Elon Musk hasn't bought Twitter. We're
going to dive into the overall importance of what Elon
Musk represents here. Also federal judge saying that Title forty
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two cannot be ended on May twenty third. We will
discuss some of that as the border crisis continues to
reach a crescendo. Will also continue to discuss Biden's falling
poll numbers and what they may represent. We've got a
couple of great guests, Douglas Murray and Miranda Divine going
to be with us in the third hour. But right
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off the top here thesis statement from me. I really
believe that Elon Musk buying Twitter is the most significant
thing that has occurred from a First Amendment perspective in
the twenty first century. I believe it is going to
change things in a seismic way in terms of our discussion,
in terms of the power that Facebook and Instagram and
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TikTok and YouTube and all of these different platforms, Google, Apple,
all of them are now going to have of some
eyesight on the choices that they are making because I
believe Elon Musk is going to publicize a lot of
the internal data at Twitter, which will give us optics
on many other sites as it pertains to their algorithms.
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But let's start here, buck, When was the last time
that you added over ten thousand Twitter followers in a day?
Has it ever happened that you can remember in the
time that you've been on too, It would have to
be back in the day of Trump retweets. So we're
going back years and I don't even think that I
don't even think that did it. I think maybe a
couple thousand from the Trump retweet era. But to see
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for those who are listening, it's like, and I know
so many of you aren't on Twitter, so she's like,
why is this such a big deal? For This is
where so many ideas start and then gain support and
then filter into the rest of the information page. Your
front page comes from Twitter. If you read a newspaper,
it is in many ways coming through the Twitter marketplace
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of ideas. If you watch a show on television, it
is in many ways no matter where, it is being
distilled through the prism of Twitter. For people out there
who are not active, that is kind of a rough
approximation of what's going on on a day to day basis.
And so now what we're seeing is that people like
Clay and me who have been saying for years this
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is rigged. They're shutting things down, they're shenanigans going on.
They're lying. Twitter was lying to the American people for
years about not actually having political censorship underway, just about safety.
You know, you know this daily mail piece. I see
this person who is Twitter's lead for Global curation standards,
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who's very upset about this global curation standards. I didn't
even know that was a job title they had there.
This is actually Orwellian people abuse that term all the time.
But the notion that there should be a person who
is curated, which is just another way of saying imposing
their own beliefs and editing, picking, picking and choosing ideas, personalities, concepts,
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political movements on a global scale for everybody to see
on this platform just goes to show you like, who
is this person? What? What are her beliefs? Why do
we have to be subjected to them? And for people
say it's oh, it's a private first of all, as
we all know it is. It's a private company now.
It was a public company before, not a state enterprise,
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but it's a private company about to be and I
guess it can do what it wants. But Clay, they've
built this platform with the promise that it would be
free speech and they've lied to people. That's what they
decided to weaponize, an open free speech platform all across
the political all across issues, and they're lying to you
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now about what's really going on. They keep saying it's
gonna be They're saying Elon Musk is a child of
apartheid South Africa and a racist. You know, he's a
bad person, and he's they're they're going after him of
all this stuff. The things that upset the right that
we can't say on Twitter are things like masks don't work,
which they don't, that men are not women, which they aren't.
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I mean, there's very there's very straightforward rules that we
talk about. They never even addressed this. You don't see
Stelter over at CMN, and you don't see I don't
know where the view is on this. They'd probably be like,
what's Twitter? You know, Joy Behar weighing in. I want
to play a couple of cuts. Sometimes you can tell
you're in a good spot when the people who are
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the angry ones are the angry ones. And by the way,
I put up ten suggestions for Elon Musk. I just
clicked publish right before we set down for this show.
I spend a lot of time on Twitter, way too much,
to be honest. I probably should have spent more time
on Instagram and YouTube and Facebook because they're wildly more popular.
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But my media come and he basically came to exist
in many ways through Twitter, and so I'm obligated to
be sharing stuff all day long, as you know Buck.
Oh yeah, no, my man Clay tweets a lot. Folks
does missus tell the truth. Does missus Travis ever take
the phone away at the dinner table and say, Clay,
that's enough tweeting. I Buck, this is the truth. Do
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you know? Do you ever look at your iPhone and
see how much time you spend on your phone? I
try not here because it's depressing. I spend eight hours
a day on my phone. Wow. Now, partly that's when
we're here doing the show, Like I'm scrolling. You're scrolling,
like for three hours to see what the news is.
But that's not counting the other amounts of time that
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are out there, and a lot of it is on Twitter.
The vast majority of the time that I spend on
any app. If you look at it breaks down how
much time you spend on apps, The vast majority of
my time is on Twitter. So I have been initially
wildly enthusias astic about the future of Twitter a decade ago.
I was before the censor culture took over, before identity
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politics and cancel culture took over. I was all in
on Twitter. I think Elon Musk can rescue it. But
let's listen to First of all, this is ari Ari
Melbur He's on MSNBC. I don't know him at all,
but I want you to listen to him. This feels
like satire because he's suddenly realizing weight if Elon Musk
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wants to he can rig the entire site and control
what you see and don't see. And the lack of
awareness from this in min MSNBC opinionist is staggering because
many of you out there gonna say, yeah, that's what's
been going on for years, You nincompoop. Listen. You own
all of Twitter or Facebook or what have you. You
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don't have to explain yourself. You don't even have to
be transparent. You could secretly ban one party's candidate or
all of its candidates, all of its nominees, or you
could just secretly turn down the reach of their stuff
and turn up the reach of something else, and the
rest of us might not even find out about it
till after the election. Alon Must says this is all
to help people, because he is just stay free speech,
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philosophically clear, open minded helper Clay. Can I just say,
I wonder if this mister Melburg is aware of the
fact that Twitter banned a sitting United States president. The
actual President of the United States, Donald J. Trump, was
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booted from this platform. He had over eighty million followers
something like that, and they kicked off the actual leader
of the free world. Okay, and I said it at
the time. That was a crossing of the rubicon moment.
That was when, you know, we focus a lot more
now on the Hunter Biden laptop because that story is ongoing, really,
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but when they booted and of course there was the
suppression of that story to try to throw the election
to Biden. Isn't it interesting they like their social media
platforms like they like their elections. Clay rig and here,
why thank you? Here? We are seeing that they went
to that length and everything that we thought about them
(09:19):
when they booted the president off, which is wow, this
is a straight up like it's like a DNC propaganda operation.
Now doesn't have to do it all the time because
I know what the sort of low IQ lib crowd
will say, Oh, but you and Clay are on Twitter. Yeah,
but in key moments on lockdowns, on masks, on election integrity,
on what happened in Georgia, what happened in Arizona, on
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the Hunter Biden laptop, they shut that stuff down. If
we were totally all booted off of Twitter, it wouldn't
a propaganda has to be believable enough, this is whatever,
and has to understand they only have to really push
down hard on the scale in key moments. It doesn't
have to be across the board on everything. Yeah, we say,
Joe Biden, is you know, look Seen Island absurd? Because
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you know true, they'll let us say that stuff. But
when it's really important to them, when it comes to
the transgender agenda, for example, and you know sports and
dead naming and all these different things, that's where they
turned the screws and shut down the right. That's where
they actually use the pressure. And our boy, so that's
MSNBC CNN was also really unhappy about suddenly Elon Musk
(10:30):
buying Twitter and our Boy Brian Stelter, he was really
upset by this, and in fact, he was saying, do
you want to go to a party with total I'm sorry,
do you want to go to a party with total freedom? Yeah? Actually,
I kind of Delter wasn't invited to a lot of
parties in high school. Let's be honest. I mean, I
don't like to be that guy. But let's listen to
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cut two. As Brian Stelter freaks out about the party
that you might be invited to and there's no rules, Guys,
why wouldn't be positive for him to be back, to
have a huge megaphone, to maybe run for president with
his huge megaphone. This would be a plus for Donald Trump.
You could also make the case that Donald Trump suddenly
be back in the news is very visible in a
way that he hasn't been, would remind people of exactly
(11:15):
why he was, why he lost his election, and why
he's why he was booted from office. So look, who knows?
I think that's a that's a That's an example of
a broader question for Twitter, which is if you can
invited to something where there are no rules, where there
is total freedom forever everybody, do you actually want to
go to that party? Or are you gonn decide to
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stay home? And that's a question for Twitter users. Can
I just ask you, Clay, do you want to go
to the party where the beer is just flood from
kegs with their beautiful whipid without hall monitors president and
where people are danzig rhythmic lead a loud music. Do
you want to go to that party? I think you do. Yes.
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Some of the girls might not wear fully covered. They
might have covered their full bodies. They might even be
in haltertops or skirts. Their legs might be visible. They
might be in heels, they might have done their hair.
They might be good. What gig is that the kind
of party that you want to go to? Brian Stelter
doesn't want to go to that party. I just I mean,
(12:19):
it's an easy joke to make. But first of all,
there are rules, Like I haven't ever been to a
party where you just walk in and be like, hey,
there's the keg over there. But by the way, that
guy has a gun and he might he's gonna shoot
somebody every five minutes at the party like that. Every
party has rules, every party has ever replace And so
actually his analogy, if we're gonna be labored a little
(12:40):
bit here, yeah, no, you're you're you know, people are
welcome to the Twitter party. They're not allowed to burn
the house down, Kurt. They also can't decide I don't
like your baseball hats, so you don't get to get
to the keg. You know. They also can't just be
arbitrary and capricious about who's actually allowed to You can't
walk in and just say, oh, your music, I don't
like it, they should be no music in this party.
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If you're a guest, like you don't get to make
that choice. And if you don't like the party, you
can leave, which is that easy analogy as well. I
want to make my pitch hit Clay. We come back
about how this is going to affect the ripple effect
of this, and I actually do have faith and it
is faith, I mean and Elon we trust when it
comes to Twitter and social media now right, I mean
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he could, yes, we don't know yet, but I have
faith that he's going to do this and it will
have massive, second order, massive ripple effects on other social
media platforms and on the national political conversation. And I
think you're even going to look at this as a
moment that, Wow, the Left was already losing ground going
into this mid term. This is like we just put
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I believe in the first Amendments. But guess what they
don't really believe in. They don't really believe in freedom
of speech. I've got to tell you, Elizabeth Warren how
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Leadershipeth Warren among them, she has tweeted out Clay, I'm
sure you saw this, that Elon Musk's purchase of Twitter
is dangerous for our democracy. If you're wondering how this
is such a big deal, think about what the Democrats
response to this is. They are exposing themselves for being petty, tyrants,
(15:56):
obsessed with the power to shut down any words they
don't like, to elevate really stupid, flimsy, indefensible ideas. This
whole concept, and I want ever to remember this, the
whole concept you here of disinformation. Disinformation has become the buzzword, really,
the code word for we will shut you down for
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saying this. The only reason they've been able to even
get as far with this, Clay as they have is
because they had total control of the social media platforms
to decide that something was disinformation and to act on it.
Now contrarian positions have to actually be dealt with in
the public square, or soon I should say that will happen. Yeah,
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and look, Elizabeth Warren, I just it is perfect evidence
to me, Buck of sometimes the people who are attacking
you let you know that you're on the right side.
And what Elizabeth Warren is effectively arguing here, think about
who has become the villain. Elon Musk was the patron
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saint of left wingers because he managed to build an
electric car company and theoretically helped to create some energy
independence because it gave people an option not to have
to buy a gas powered vehicle. And he also is
sending rockets to space more efficiently, effectively and affordably than
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NASA was able to do. And they now hate him
because he's going to say, hey, you know what, maybe
it's not a bad idea to allow people to make
their own and share their own opinions. That's what they're
upset with, Buck. They are angry because Elon Musk is
not going to be censoring enough on social media to
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throw a quick question you're away before we come back,
and maybe dive into this and some other things. Clay
Trump says he's not going back on Twitter. What do
we think? And is that going to hold? That's all
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We are here because we're starting to stack some dubs.
I gotta be honest with you, Buck. When you think
about CNN plus shutting down, losing three hundred million dollars,
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and you also then add in the fact that Elon
Musk has bought Twitter, that the mask mandate has come
plumbing down thanks to the judge in Florida, and that
Joe Biden's approval ratings continue to tank. All of those
things are stacking up dubs for the good guys. And
the question you asked as we went to break, I
think is one that is of paramount discussion and importance.
(19:39):
What should Twitter do with Donald Trump? What should Donald
Trump do with Twitter? And how do we assess that impact.
My theory Buck, and I was sharing this yesterday, is
I think that as part of his relationship with truth
Social that Trump has likely agreed that he I don't
know this for certain. This is just my theory that
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Trump has likely agreed that he will not rejoin Twitter,
and so I think that's why he's saying that he
won't rejoin Twitter, because he's got an equity stake in
truth Social. And if you were investing in truth Social,
one of the clear landmines out there would be, well,
what if Twitter invited you back? What are we buying
as a part of your exclusivity. I think they've got
(20:23):
him exclusively, but I actually think Elon Musk should invite
Donald Trump back on Twitter. I think that would be
the right call. I think Elon Musk taking over Twitter
should make the opinion Alex Barrenson Babylon B I think
he should wipe out all Twitter bannings and in the
concept of we're going to kick people off of Twitter
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for what they say. In my opinion, and the question
that is out there is does Trump actually benefit from
being off Twitter? We've argued that the answer may well
be yes, because the people who are most likely to
decide to embrace Donald Trump or not are many of
them are suburban women, these swing voters. Maggie Haberman at
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The New York Times actually, I think picked up on
the argument that we've been making the past couple of days.
He or she is making it as well. He has
people put out yesterday that he's not going to go
back on Twitter, even with Elon must buying it. Let's
see whether that holds true in a couple of months.
I think it's very hard for him. He has to
say that, because otherwise it craters that deal from what
the social media deal of his own, which from which
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he stands to make money. That thing's not going well.
I tend to assume what he wants is to be
back on Twitter. But look, I think that when you
look at it politically, Republicans and Democrats will both tell
you that Twitter did Donald Trump a favor and actually
hurt Democrats by taking him off Twitter. He seems to
be a central player politically the same way, and you've
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got less of a reminder daily of the things he's
willing to say. So let's see where this gouss. There
is an indicator here, Clay of what I think truth
in what she's saying, and that is the daily news
cycle that Democrats try to run with is January six,
Trump interaction from white supremacy Trump. All the time, they
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keep trying to bring it back, and this is their
game plan going into the midterms. To anyone who has
even a little bit of objectivity, it feels pathetic and desperate.
Right Donald Trump is not president, not even elected office.
The guys playing golf, hanging on tomorrow lago. You know,
you've seen him down there. I've seen him. He's having
a great time. He's not in any way somebody who
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should be driving the left, the Democrat news cycle right now,
But they've they created such a I mean, CNN, for example,
just became an anti Trump network. I mean that it
existed to oppose Donald Trump, which I think led very
directly into the collapse of CNN Plus because what are
they what are they offering on their main channel right now?
Never mind with CNN Plus. And so there is this
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possibility that it will reinvigorate, if, if you will, the left,
if Trump were on Twitter and saying things, and they
could say, oh, look at what he's done here, look
at what he's done there that all said. If he
runs again for president, there's just no way he's not
gonna get it. I just don't believe. There's no way
he's not gonna get back on Twitter. I just don't
believe it that would be possible. Here is what I
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would be doing. If I advised Donald Trump associated with this,
I would be putting the polling in front of him
on a regular basis. This came out yesterday. Buck Insider
Advantage and the Harvard Harris poll both polled Trump versus
Biden head to head. Insider Advantage had Trump up for
general election. Harvard Harris had Trump up too. By the way,
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all of this, if I'm sitting there and saying to Trump, look,
you're gonna win whoever the Republicans nominate in twenty twenty four,
if Joe Biden truly runs, should win. The only way
you don't win is if the story shifts from Biden
is a disaster too. Let's talk about something other than
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Biden being a disaster. Election should be a referendum when
there is an incumbent on the incumbent in office or
the incumbent party in office. And so I'm putting in
front of Donald Trump, Hey, things are going really well
for you. You come on, you do an hour with
Clay and Buck every now and then you go do
your Sean Hannity interviews, You hop on with friendly media.
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I wouldn't be encouraging. And when I say friendly media,
I mean people who don't think that Donald Trump is
the devil incarnate, because a huge percentage of the media does.
I don't think he gains by talking to those people.
But I think those middle of the road voters, they're
sitting around and they're saying, you know what, I may
not have loved Trump. These are the persuadable middle of
the road. But he was nowhere near as bad as
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Biden is on every issue. My concern is Twitter makes
the issue Trump again as opposed to Biden. Yeah, and
you also have there must be I think if Trump
is going to run for a second term, which it
looks like he is. We don't know yet. It's a
way off, but there's gonna need to be people around
him is say, Okay, this time, you already crushed the media.
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You brought CNN to its knees. You know, it was
highly entertaining, it was amazing. Now it's time, you know,
round two. If assuming we get there, it's not a
circus anymore. It's serious. Now is when the agenda gets implemented.
Now's when the wall gets finished. Now is when the
promises that are made are all promises kept. And because
even Trump would say, look it was supposed to have
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eight years, right, so for no one thinks it all
got done in four years. But that shift from circus
to seriousness. Now the media is of course going to
say insurrection that they're gonna but I'm saying block that
out for a second. From what Trump and the people
around him could do a renewed sense of focus and
a lack of distraction. Now there are gonna be some
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people will say they're not confident necessarily that's a shift
that's pople Yeah, I will have to see, but I
do think that's important and will be important going forward
to bring back Look, there there were a lot of
working class voters that did not that that did not
put aside the fraud and the cheating. I'm just if
you look at the numbers, there were working class voters
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in Michigan and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania who didn't who didn't
turn out in twenty twenty the way they did in
twenty sixteen, there were there were some problems here and
that to address that properly the next time around, there
needs to be a sense of focus, a sense of
purpose and pursuing the agenda and the mission and not
you know, just slapping around Joe Scarborough on Twitter for kicks. Yeah,
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and look, I think the question becomes, do you want
to dominate right or do you want to be sitting
late at night worried about where those final ballots are
going to come in? Right? Because twenty sixteen narrow victory,
twenty twenty by the numbers, narrow loss, basically one hundred thousand,
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one hundred and fifty thousand vote swing. I really believe
that Trump could dominate, especially in the electoral College in
twenty twenty four, if he runs the campaign of Hey,
I wasn't perfect, but Biden is a disaster, and I
will fix the mess that he created. That's the message.
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That's the message, and a sentence. I'm big on buck
When I used to teach I talk creative writing back
in the day at Vanderbilt in a different life. I'm
big on if you can distill anything into a sentence.
Story and a sentence is huge Trump's story and a
sentence is to me. I wasn't perfect as president, but
I was way better than Joe Biden, and I will
fix everything that he's gotten wrong. That's a landslide win,
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but it's if it's Joe Biden saying I'm not perfect,
but Donald Trump is going to be tweeting like crazy
and he's not gonna let you sleep comfortably at night.
That a right on the periphery moment of in twenty
twenty four winner loss again and obsessed with the twenty
twenty election. This is the other thing. Yeah, this is
the other thing. We're really going to talk about this.
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How do we move How do we become a Republican
party that can have a conversation about the leader of
the party that is helpful going forward, that is not
just is not just always cheering section. This is going
to be an issue. I worry about this. Yes, you
have to address the concerns of twenty twenty for the
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next election, But there's a difference between making sure that
we work on election integrity and that people have full
faith and a sense of accountability in the elections and
sounding like you're complaining about it. Still, Yeah, there's a difference.
It's great. It might be a bit subtle, but there
is a difference in these things. And my hope is
that twenty twenty two is such a landslide that that
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puts twenty twenty in the background and we start to
focus on twenty twenty four. Because elections are about the future,
they're not typically about the past. All of these are
going to be big, monumentally important conversations to have. And
if Rohnda Santis can win in Florida, let's say, by
a few hundred thousand votes after winning by forty votes, yeah,
it means that you know, elections can have consequences and
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really good ones too. You know you want to run
exactly right, because I think there's a good chance that
Florida is the story coming out of twenty twenty two
and people are saying, holy cow, Florida went from a
toss up state for twenty years to one that's firmly
in the Republican camp now, which would be potentially part
of the monumental victory that Ronda Santis could show in
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immigration Title forty two getting removed or not. Maybe we've
got a judge who was said no, no, no, not
so fast, and ironically this could actually benefit the Democrats
and honestly the country against the Democrats protests and all
their anger. We'll get into that though, and the politics
(31:48):
around it, the realities of what's going on in our
southern border, and of course some of the problems that
we are already seeing that are happening because we don't
have an administration that believes in the rule of law
when it comes to immigration. But first there is I
think you're noticing a very real panic. I mean, Clay,
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they're not quite like, they're not quite at the just
you know, run for the exits, get to the bunker.
But the Democrats are definitely feeling right now like it's
almost may Man's gonna turn in June real fast. Not
a lot happens in politics over the summer, and they're
looking at the at the reckoning. We just call it
hashtag the reckoning in politics this fall that we've been
(32:31):
telling you, and by the way we are we are
pedal to the metal. We are push all the way.
A win that any Democrat on air at MSNBC isn't
basically in tears over is not good enough. That's the
If there aren't lived tears on MSNBC, we will not
be happy with the results. Here is a democratic polster, smart,
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very smart fellow, mister Mark Penn, saying that Democrats haven't
been scared like this in a long time. I think
there are a lot of ways the president can do that,
but it involves a big reversal policy. Look, I think
voters are feeling like the nuclear fears of the fifties,
the crime fears of the eighties and nineties, the inflation
fears of the seventies, and all of these things are
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happening at once. The administration's got to take big, bold
action here. It's got to reverse the energy policy. It's
got to find real compromises the way we did in
the nineties. If the administration doesn't act big, it can
take on these big issues. Look, every president wants to
do a particular job, but that job gets changed by
the real circumstances, as you will know, after nine to
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eleven happened with Bush. Look, these big problems happened here
for Biden, he's got to address him in big ways.
Voters haven't been this afraid in a long time. You
add all those big issues together, Clay, there's nothing. What
is the big I will just note what is the
big move that Biden could do without in the eyes
of his base betraying them. There's nothing. He's not going
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to do anything. That's the only thing I think is
the Elizabeth Warrens of a world may get their way
where the Democrats recognize that they're staring down an oncoming
train and that there's no way to step out of
the way of it, and so they just decide to
push through even more liberal, left wing bills because they
know they're not going to be able to do it
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for the next two years. I think that's what we're seeing.
We're going to dive into the border situation and illegal
immigration here in a minute. And we've kept our promise
to you folks. We are watching this closely and every
time we can tell you what's going on there. Because
the whole country needs to know about it. It is
you know, you just filed your taxes. You better or
else right, because the rule of law, there is no
rule of law to the southern border. It's a joke.
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It's a mess. And the Biden administration isn't just complicit.
They're pushing this, They're they're deal. They're making it impossible
for border patrol to do their jobs and for us
to actually have sovereignty. But Clay, I do I think
that maybe the whole Title forty two thing in in
a sense this maybe getting ahead of where we're about
to go, is they figure, you know what, just open
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the we're gonna get We're gonna it crushed in the
midterms anyway, open the floodgates. We'll turn them into Democrat voters.
In five years or ten years or whatever. The far
left base will be happy. We'll regroup after the midterms
then there might be some sanity. But for right now,
let everybody in who can get here is the idea,
because Democrats really do want an open border. That's my
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concern basically is that they just go pedal to the metal,
recognizing that they're going to lose the House and that
they're going to lose the Senate. Now, it's important to mention,
and we'll talk about this with title forty two when
we come back, that there are a lot of Democrats,
pretty much all of them in toss up states Arizona,
New Hampshire, Georgia, Nevada, New Mexico, even which is maybe
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kind of floating around out there. There are a bunch
of Democrats that are saying no, no, no no to this
title forty two idea. And it makes me wonder how
far left wing might they go because they've basically given
up on the chance of having any real success in
the midterms, and why not try and get things past
in the meantime. I could see the Elizabeth Warrens of
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the world winning that argument. I think they've boxed themselves
into a corner because anything that would stop the flow,
some of those things are what Trump was doing, and
you can't do that, right, Clay, You can't a bit
Trump was right on any aspect of the border. So
what are they going to do. I think they're going
to try to hide the numbers or hide the people
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rather who are coming in. We're going to dive into
this in the second with you folks, what do you think?
And remember a third hour, we'll have our friends Douglas Murray,
author of War on the West with Us, as well
as Miranda Divine, the One and Only on the latest,
the Biden Crime Family. That's all third Hour. It's going
to be fantastic coming up. We'll do border issues, deep
dive illegal immigration. What's Biden going to do next on
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this issue? Eight hundred two two two eight a two
on the phone lines. Love to hear your thoughts, team,
and we will be back with you. Clay and Buck
going strong into the second hour. It's how we do
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