March 30, 2023 • 54 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome everybody. Thursday edition of The Clay
Travis and Buck Sexton Show starts right now. I've got
a lot to talk to you about today. First off,
the update from the Nashville school shooter, which we'll get
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into in a moment. It seems that there is now
a report at least Daily Mail with this headline that
the shooter was targeting the school's head pastor. We'll discuss
that in a few moments here. Still have not seen
the manifesto, still has not been released, which I disagree with.
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I think people should be able to see what the
motivations and what the psychological derangement was based in for
this mass shooter. Yeah, I was just gonna say, Buck,
I was told it's going to be released by people
who would know. I also would just say, I think
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there may be some crazy accusations in there, and so
that might be one of the challenges associated with releasing it.
And let me just kind of explain what I mean
by that. If you are a crazy person writing a
manifesto and you are personally attacking other people by names,
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I think there's some challenges in editing this thing so
that you know, I think when we think a lot
of times a manifesto, it's like you're taking targets at
you know, the world has decided that it's going to
turn its back on us, and we have to do this.
But also there's parts in there where if there are
direct personal attacks on individuals, you have to figure out
how to parse and parcel that out, if that makes sense.
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So I do think there's a little bit of a challenge,
as it would likely be the case with any mentally
ill individual, trying to figure out how exactly to put
that thing out there without increasing the pain that might
be involved in some of the people who are already victims,
if that makes sense. Since it's an interesting idea, if
it's going to be released eventually, I'm not really sure
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what and I don't know that law enforcement is going
to be in a position. This is not national security
sensitive information, correct, so so redacting things isn't really in
their purview. And I am just I will recall that
at the Pulse nightclub shooting, if you remember, this was
the most egregious This is what a lot of us
think may be happening, right now to your point, by
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the way, maybe that is what's going on. Yeah, but
for a lot of us who have covered terrorists acts,
mass shooting, hate crimes for many years. You go back
and think about Pulse Nightclub. They exed out or blacked
out things. You know, they remove things from the transcript
the FBI under the Obama administration, where the guy was like,
I pledge my loyalty too, they blanked it. Well, it
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was the Abrahamic state. And then he says, and I'm
murdering all these people in the name of Allah, Like
we know what the blacked out lines were, but they
did it anyway, and everybody remembers how both we'rewelly in
and condescending and absurd that was. So I just feel
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like there's not a lot of good faith that there
need to be redactions done to a manifesto that what
you're saying may be true. Again, we don't know, but
if that were the case, Clay law enforcements should say
there are security issues. There are you know, there are
people's home addresses, phone numbers, like we can't just put
stuff in there. That's out for everybody. But it's very
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hard for people to pass that. And then think, well,
this has nothing to do with this shooter telling everybody
why she was going to do this, which is what
the part of motive is that you know. Right now
they're saying, oh, we don't know the motive. That's what
law enforcement is stating. Well, and I understand one hundred
billion percent buck, we still don't know. Just to pull
one out out of a hat here, they never told
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us why that Las Vegas shooter acted, right, I mean store,
I mean the guy opened fire from the hotel in Vegas.
I don't use it concert. I don't think that's an
apples to apples comparison though, because he didn't leave behind
a manifesto that it's like, this is why I did it?
Right that we know of, right, I mean that to
be fair that we know of yes, true, but we
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know there was a manifesto this person left behind a
here's why I did it. Man It specifically said in
a message to one of her friends that we read
on this program. You'll know why I did this when
you read my manifesto, basically wetting her friend no, right
before she opened fire. I mean, we'll see because if
it's if it is a politically highly sensitive material that's okay,
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and we can just by the way, I don't know
what's in there. Obviously Clay doesn't know what's in there,
but just if we're looking at the possibilities here, Clay
has laid out something interesting that I hadn't heard anyone
really raised yet. And I do think that if it's
a law enforcement should say, guys, look there's some things
in there, because right now we're just being told almost
like we're not able to handle as a society being
able to read this correct. You know, there are plenty
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of crazy people's manifest is a crazy trans shooter and
that her act was motivated by her trans ideology, and
that because this is an inconvenient narrative for the left
in this country, that they will not allow that story
to be told. That is the fear right and buck.
Going back to Monday off air, I said, Hey, based
on these details that are coming out, it feels to
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me like this may be a trans shooter and ended
up being true. So I would just kind of I
certainly understand why people are upset that this hasn't been released,
and also the more days that pass where it's not released,
the less attention it's going to get right. That's why
time they have to focus on gun control, which is
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the narrative right now that is predominating. That's why there's
no trust here in the delay because if there is
politically politically look, let's be honest, politically imaging stuff in
there to the left, the longer they wait, the sense is,
the less attention it will get and the less political
damage it will do. There should be no political cover
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up allowed in a situation like this, whatsoever. The people
have a right to know. To your point, if it
comes out and there's you know, home addresses blacked out,
and there's an explanation of this, and there's now some
people won't even by the way, except that they'll say,
I don't trust what's blacked out. They've doctored this, they've
removed things, and I gotta say, I don't know. That
could be true as well. Remember the Pulse nightclub shooting
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showed the FBI will act like utter morons under a
Democrat administration because they were told to because of politics,
no question about it. When they were dacted all the
information from that transcript, because we all knew it wasn't
even like they hit anything effectively. So now there's no faith.
And now I think we have to see why the
delay of so many days. Who is the authority that
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can come along and say all right, it's okay now
for people to see this. Here's a question that I
think a lot of you out there would not along with.
If the shooter had been motivated by January sixth and
a stolen election, and he had written a manifesto or
she had written a manifesto on that, would it be
out yet? It would have been the lead news story,
as we know, every day, all day since the incident,
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without exception, and if anybody told any other if anyone
gave a stock update for thirty seconds before they went
back to the story, MSNBC would be saying they're minimizing
this horrific atrocity. It would have been. It would have
been leaked instantaneously to the New York Times or the
Washington Post. It would have been out there. So this
is why I have me. I honestly, I have no
faith in I have no faith that there's good faith
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in the delay here. I have no faith in that whatsoever.
If I'm proven wrong, I'll say, okay, it looks like
law enforcement here, because we were look, we praise what
is good, we criticize what is bad. Obviously beyond question
those law enforcement officers, you know, the two with the
body camps, but there were others there. I feel like
those guys also deserve a lot of credit that exactly
the right thing moved well. I had various friends from
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the special ops community reach out and say that they
were One of those guys was a marine. By the way.
One of the officers, um, they're you know, they're proud
of how those guys moved, proud of how they how
they got on target right away, went after the threat. Um.
And there was a lot of transparency in the first
twenty four hours from the chief of police. But then
it just stopped on this one issue. Yep. And and
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that to a lot of people, I think Clay feels
highly suspicious, and it does feel like there's some political
fix that's in. And now I guess we're I was
gonna talk about that. We'll talk about the gun control push.
You got Joe Scarborough yelling about it. I will actually
Congressman Bowman is really yelling about it, yelling at at
Thomas Massey, another member of Congress who's a really both
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aerudite and amusing guy Thomas Massey's really funny and really smart. Um.
But we'll talk about the gun control pushed part of
this in a second. I mentioned this at the top,
and we have other stories you want to talk about
today as well. By the way World Health Organization look
at shot whether teenagers, healthy teenagers and children should actually
get the COVID shot. But we'll lay some of this
out coming up here after the break. The Nashville shooter,
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according to Daily Mail, was having private counseling sessions with
the school's head pastor before the massacre. He did kill
the pastor's nine year old daughter, We know that, so
it does seem that there was a personal grudge, effectively,
you know, personal assassination motive tied into this whole thing,
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But it could be much broader in terms of the ideology.
We don't know what other targets. There's already been discussion
that there were other targets that came out the first
day from the chief of police in Nashville. We don't
know what they dispute. I mean this, you would think
this pastor was giving counseling sessions to a former student
of the school. What could have possibly happened in her mind, right,
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that would then make her think that that this I mean,
there's nothing more monstrous than what this woman did. Nothing monster.
So I think we have a right to know how
did this person become a monster? Because this was truly
evil and depraved in the worst way. And I think
that anybody who's trying to hide this from the public
for reasons of anything other than as you said, individual
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safety redacting information is really acting in a way that's uh,
that's awful. Maybe personal attacks just something to think about too,
um like crazy lies. There could be crazy lies manifesto
for sure, Yes, but I don't know how you you know,
everyone knows this person is crazy and this person is dead, right,
So is the idea that the police will cover up
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some asks, you know what I mean? Let's say that
manifesto had some you know, crazy, truly crazy allegations against
named individuals. I don't think anybody would believe, you know,
believe the allegations or you know. I just wonder, is
the idea then that law enforcement keeps this stuff silent
or keeps us hidden forever. It will get out eventually.
I mean, I was in the CIA, can tell you
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secrets that people want to know. Don't stay don't stay
secret for Hey, look, the Steel dossier was all completely
made up and it was one of the most widely distributed, uh,
you know, investigatory investigation, investigatory materials of all time. Right. So,
but you're you've heard from good sources in the area.
It ever knows obviously, Clay is born and raised in Nashville,
lives in Nashville, so you knows folks in the area
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very well. You think that the manifesto will will come out.
I was told that it will come out, And what
I have been told is that there is like we know,
the manifesto is going to be crazy, right, this is
a crazy person that there are challenging parts of the
manifesto that are crazy in ways different than you know,
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like the sun is not going to come up tomorrow,
because you know, like all the crazy things that you
would expect personal things that are crazy as well. So
that's what I've been told. Obviously I haven't seen it.
I believe I'm always in favor of transparency. I've tweeted
and said on this show. I wanted out publicly for
everybody to be able to see because I think the
motivations do matter. But I am told that eventually it
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is going to be out. I would I would just
say that again, Clay, law enforcement should just be transparent
about why they can't be transparent in this moment. Yeah,
and then we can judge for ourselves whether they're telling
the truth at the end of this right If they
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back in our number two Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show
Thursday edition of the program. I want to hit you
with a couple of good news stories, I would say,
because we've had a lot of negativity certainly that is
out there in general. Let me share some of these.
The COVID emergency Buck is officially ended. The Senate passed
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a bill to end the COVID emergence. The House has
also passed that bill, and Joe Biden has said he
will not veto it, he is going to sign it.
And so now I had to be fair and I
can drive around without a mask on now, Clay, is
that I think Biden had said that he was going
to end What did he say? Like May eleventh, the
COVID emergency was officially going to be over or whatever
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it was that has now passed to the Senate. It
has now passed the House, and it passed in a
pretty substantial majority because Joe Biden once again left the
House out to dry because he said he didn't tell
them before the House vote that he would sign this
much like he did with the DC bill as it
pertains to safety, security and everything else that he ended
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up signing. So the COVID emergency, three years after it
started fifteen days to drop the spread turned into basically
a thousand days of COVID emergency. We should never do
this again, and frankly, I don't think the President should
ever have the ability to do this again. I think
Congress should have to pass a bill mandating a national
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emergency like this in a health related setting. I'll just
toss that out. There is something that I think we
should debate. Now. Do we want one person able to
make this decision potentially influenced by the faucies of the world,
or do you want your elected representatives to be able
to have that authority. I'd rather have this authority vest
in many ways in the House, and the Senate Constitution
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wasn't much of a protection, was it? No? Something we
have to be honest about when they shut down churches,
the weed stores were open. Yeah, no church allowed. But
they're gonna make movies that young kids now who will
not remember it, will watch and your grand I know this,
My grandkids are going to come in and they're gonna
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be like, Grandpa, did they really tell you that you
had to walk one way down an aisle and that
you couldn't buy anything unless it was essential? And like,
they're not going to believe that it was real, just
a preview. Twenty thirty years from now, when I've got grandkids,
hopefully they're gonna be watching movies and they're gonna be like,
did twenty twenty really happen, Grandpa? And I'm gonna say yes,
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And it's going to be even more staggering how stupid
so many of these COVID zealots were. As the years
continued to add up, we talked about this buck and
I came on and put my legal hat on to
discuss it. Tucker Carlson shared the January sixth footage of
the QAnon Shaman. That QAnon Shaman footage, according to his
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own defense attorney, was not shared with him as part
of government's discovery obligations. That is to me a pretty
clear violation of the obligations of the government. You have
to share all evidence, whether it is favorable or unfavorable
for a defendant. The QAnon Shaman has now been let
out of prison fourteen months early. I don't think it's
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a coincidence, Buck, that this comes just what like two
or three weeks on the heels of Tucker Carlson airing
the footage of the January sixth incidents surrounding the qan
On Shaman. He became this shaman did sort of I
would say, the most famous of all January sixth people,
and he was considered to be one of the leaders
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of the insurrection. And then when you watch all the
video that was inside that capitol that day, he looks
like unfortunately what he is, which is a sad, misguided man,
likely in the grips of severe mental illness, and they
tried to turn him into someone who was trying to
overturn the United States government. They there were Democrats, I
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remember this, who were arguing that because he was carrying
a spear, yeah, they should add a deadly weapon enhancement
to his charge somehow, or they should find a way
to make it that, you know, effectively, you know, an
attempted I don't know it couldn't say attempted murder, but
you know they were going to say that he had
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that there should be a federal weapons as if he
walked in there with a loaded pistol or something. They
were making that argument, they were, and it's ridiculous and
it was indefensible, and it is now out the window.
I want to echo again more good news, although it's
coming late. The WHO is now saying that kids and
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teenagers do not need to get the COVID shot because
they're at such low risk of COVID. We just said
that at the end of the hour. But I want
all of you to hear it out there because I
know many parents out there who made this choice for
their kids. And you have been called anti vaccine, You
have been raked over the coals. You may have had issues.
I know this has happened unfortunately back because many of
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the Fauci Zealots were so in belief that this shot
was necessary that they wouldn't hang out with their grandkids,
or they wouldn't hang out with members of their family
who were refusing to get kids the COVID shot. Well,
now the who is coming out and letting it be
known that that is a worthless shot for kids and teenagers,
as we have said sometime on this program. But I
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want to circle back around, uh, to the to the
debate that is currently still in full flourishment, and that
is over guns. Right. Crazy trans girl shoots up at
Nashville school, kills six innocent people. The story is not
about her. It's about the fact that she was able
to get guns. According to Democrats, And I will point
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this out, Buck, this is your TikTok ally Jamal Jamal Bowman.
Oh hey, earlier this week, you and Bowman thickest thieves,
your your TikTok brown other with me on this one, sir.
You got arms around each other. You're both saying, hey,
this TikTok thing. There's no way we can do this.
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So Jamal Bowman decides that he is going to go
off on on this situation. Let me mention this too
before I do. Uh. Senator Blackburn and Senator Haggerty, the
two senators from the state of Tennessee, have introduced legislation
that would provide nearly a billion dollars to schools. So
they can hire more armed security to protect students all
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over the nation. I think we need to invest more
than that. Uh whatever it costs to put armed security
in every single school in America. I would be in
favor of that. I think you would be tu buck um.
But Jamal Bowman, he says, more guns, more death. He
completely goes off outside of the House chambers. This is
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what it sounded like last night, freaking towers. They're colors
more because look at the data. They're not looking at
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any data every by the way, can we look at
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the data because what he says the congressman you heard
on their shouting. That was Thomas Massey trying to reason
with y who was reasoning with him on the other side.
Much less uh strident in his screaming. Of course, members
of Congress. Should you know, the shouldn't be taught. I mean,
Bowman shouldn't be shouting at anybody like that. It was.
It's out of line. But just put that aside. People's like, oh,
politics is you know, it's a tough sport. Okay. I
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still think you can act like a person with some manners.
But um, here's here's the truth. He said, more guns
equals more death. That's the line he was shouting at him,
over and over and over again. Uh. Okay, let's go
through some states, Clay, Let's go through some states. Now,
everybody that have the most permissive gun regulations in the
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entire country. Vermont, for example, a death Democrats stronghold Bernie
Sanders home state. You don't You can conceal carr in Vermont.
You don't need a permit in Vermont, I think now
conceal versus open carry. I don't know offhand every state's lost.
Just to be claris so I don't want to get
this wrong, but I know you can conceal carry. I
know you don't need any kind of a permit. It's
a shall issue state. They have how many murders a
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year play on average? Vermont the whole six hundred thousand people.
Ten that's about right. Twelve to thirteen I think is
the number. So virtually unheard of that someone gets murdered
in Vermont. So ever understands we're gonna go population to population. Okay,
population to population. DC has six hundred thousand people, and
DC had almost two hundred murders last year. Yeah, and
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DC is still very hard even after DCV Heller. You
cannot conceal carry. It's very hard to get a premise permit. Okay,
So Vermont, half of households have guns. There are three
hundred thousand people basically in the state of Vermont who
are in a household that has a gun, and they
have out twelve murders a year. That's interesting because that's
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a lot of guns with almost you know, very minimal
regulation of any kind. M What about Wyoming and anyone
want to guess how many murders in Wyoming in any
given year similar population to Vermont? Uh less, I think
I think it's lessons all right, So I'm not going
to count the Yellowstone murders because they're actually taking place
in Yellowstone is more dangerous than Fallujah. Clay As I
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keep telling you, Yellowstone the show is for those of
you watch Yellowstone. They take their dead bodies to Wyoming
and dump them into a evidently a crevice that is
is unreachable by anybody, anybody because they've got done. Sometimes
you're you're a rancher, and sometimes you know you're banging
it out with them. Four is on the corner with
some bad guys that appear out of nowhere, that's just
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what I bet. There have been more deaths on Yellowstone
the television show than the violent deaths than have occurred
in Montana during the length of the time that that
show has been going on. Well, it wouldn't that be
a fun article, Like actual deaths in Montana compared to
deaths on Yellowstone. More people have died on yostone the
show than I think have died if you know, if
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from violence in Montana in the last twenty years would
be mine. So just putting that out there, I'm gonna say, Wyoming,
I'm gonna say, you know, fifteen murders. That's about I mean,
so I actually have the per hundred thousand residents. Two
murders per hundred thousand residents in Wyoming is what they basically.
So they basically have. And by the way, that's not
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even gun violence. That includes you know, domestic violence where
somebody you know, hits somebody else with a frying pan
or a stabs them with a knife or whatever baseball bat.
So you're looking at you know, a handful, you know,
you can count them on one hand in the whole state. Anyway,
you go down that the point of your folks, you
go down. Look at Idaho, look at Vermont, look at Wyoming,
look at Maine, look at you know, these are all
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states where you have not only permissive gun laws, but
high levels of gun ownership. Yeah, and almost no gun violence.
By the way, this is why the Dershwitz and I
debated this on CNN like twenty fourteen, and this is
where the argument went because he said the same thing.
He's like, more guns means more people getting shot. I'm like, well, unfortunately, sir,
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that is inaccurate. You know, it's trying to be respectful,
it's like, unfortunately, what you're saying is not true. That
data does not support this argument that they make. So
why do we have to listen to an argument that
is so easily refuted because it's based in emotion, it's
based on what people what democrats want to hear. And
what you actually find out when you look at the
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real data is that people who are concealed carry permit
holders are as a population pretty much the most law
abiding Americans you will find anywhere, period. And that's across
all states. And that's not even just gun violence, that's
all laws. They're highly law abiding. Because one thing, if
you're a concealed carry permit holder, is you understand the
responsibility that you're carrying and the need to bend to
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understand all the different laws that you come into contact with,
and you have to abide by as somebody who's going
to enjoy your Second Amendment rights. So this whole, the
whole argument they're having more guns equals more death. It's
just not true. It's just I talked buck and it's
kind of wild to think about. But I talked with
a guy Tuesday who said he had grown up in
a rural area and they had a shooting team at
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his high school and he would bring his rifle to
school and leave it in his locker and then take
it out at the end of the day to go
be a member of the shooting team. I mean, just thinking.
I mean, so, in other words, we've had people carrying
guns into schools for decades, and up until Columbine, really
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we never even had the idea that there would be
people getting shot in school. This is why, you know,
there's also a lot of sensitivity around this for Democrats,
because they're really taught that this is a moral crusade.
It's a bit like climate change for them. They just
have to be on the right side of the gun issue,
and then they're a good person and they get to
virtue signal endlessly about it, and they get to know
browbeat anybody else who won't go along with them as
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a bad person. The notion of gun free zones, particularly
as it pertains to school, is an indefensibly absurd and
stupid policy that has probably led to more people being
shot on schools because anybody who's going to harm somebody,
it's the most straightforward thing imaginable. Anyone who plans to
shoot another human being on the grounds of a school
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or you know, within one hundred feet of a school
doesn't care that it's a gun free zone, and we
all know that. So it does nothing. All it does,
Clay is possibly mean that somebody who brings a shotgun
and leaves it in their trunk and wants to go
shoot sporting clays or shoot beer cans or whatever after school,
adult or you know, an adult age you know, eighteen
year olds a student could go to prison. That's all
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that it means. That's all that it does, and we
all know this. But they won't engage with the debate
as it actually is. Instead, they just shout look at
the data. I would want to ask Jamal Bob Bowman
as well. You're so worried about gun violence, what do
you think about the declining or the declinations of prosecutions
of convicted felons found with guns in Philadelphia? Fifty percent
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of them no charge whatsoever felon in possession of a handgun.
I think also this is worth hitting two. You pointed
it out for a while. If we eliminated every mass
shooting in America, ninety seven percent of murders would still happen. Yes,
so all of the attention comes, you know, running in
every time we have a mass shooting, and they're certainly
awful and they provoke emotional reactions. But if we eliminated
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every mass shooting in American ninety seven percent of murders
would still occur. And by the way, nobody even wants
to talk about who the murderers are. Think about that.
How often do you see like murder really broken down?
There's about what one percent of the American population, Young
black men sixteen to forty commit over half of all murders.
Jamal Bowman, want to have that conversation your boy TikTok,
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out the last few minutes, or the Wall Street Journal.
Although it's not new information that it's based on, it
is being used in a new way. So yeah, we'll
do the breaking news. You gotta come up with a
cool sound. We do need a sounder, by the way,
that's yea to us for breaking news, Like I don't mean,
you know, I don't know what the sound should be,
(31:15):
but we need a we need a breaking news sound
or I think if the full like yeah, yeah, I
think there's something like that. So the Trump grand jury,
we're just talking about Trump. By the way, this pull
it's amazing, like it's it's neck and neck. DeSantis will
go up a little, Trump will go up a little.
It's up at Clay and Buck dot com. We retweeted
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it from the Clay and Buck Twitter account. Um, so
we got a couple of ways you can weigh in
on this poll. We'll do a consolidated you know, all
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percentage from Clay and Buck dot com and see what
we end up getting for this, but you know as
the overall number. But it's see, it is very very
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close right now, very tight. Um. So with that in mind,
we're just talking about Trump. So we've been told that
for the next month there's not gonna be anything new
with the grand jury in New York. But here's the
Wallstreet Journal is reporting that Trump grand jury digs into
hush money paid to a second woman. Now, and this
(32:18):
is money paid. I remember that this was part of
the allegations back in the day, money paid to former
Playboy model Karen MacDougall Clay. What is going on here, man,
with these allegations the legal ease here, what's happening? If
I remember, these are two different stories now, if I
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remember the way that they were paid, meaning obviously they're
two different women. Karen McDougall was a former Playboy model
and she was supposedly paid one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
But my recollection, I'm scrolling through this article to see
if I'm correct, my recollection is that yeah, here it is.
(33:01):
She signed a contract with the National Inquirer in August
of twenty sixteen. This is the so called catching release idea.
UM where they will pay someone. The National Inquirer would
would pay someone for their story and then basically kill
it like they wouldn't publish it. Is that called catch
(33:22):
and kill? Yeah? Yeah, sorry, catching kill? Uh? And so
that was done by the National Inquirer. And remember do
you remember the name of the National Inquirer owner? It's
kind of amazing. Oh wait, wait wait it's a great name,
but I don't remember what is it? David Pecker? Um,
(33:44):
there you go, David Pecker, who also got involved in
ironically enough, given his last name a Jeff Bezos. Uh
you know sexual affair story if you remember that. Uh.
So they've been bringing in David Pecker, the former chief
executive of this and they may be arguing about how
(34:04):
exactly that payment occurred. Because just for those of you
out there that care about this, and again it's going
on as a grand jury, so I want to make
sure we get this right. The hundred and thirty thousand
dollars went to Stormy Daniels via Cohen, right, Trump's attorney,
and that's where they tried to argue that this was
(34:25):
an FEC violation Federal Election Commission. I'm not sure how
the money if it was ever repaid to the National Inquirer,
or whether the National Inquirer handled that hundred and fifty
thousand dollars things to hold on. Here's the detail. The
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publisher agreed to transfer the rights to McDougal's story to
a company controlled by Michael Cohen, a consultant, then issued
an invoice to Owen, and they repaid that as well.
So basically, this whole story situation is Trump may have,
(35:07):
he denies it, may have slept with these women, and
in order to keep them from making those allegations public,
they paid them to keep silent the irony here, and
nobody talks about this at all. Buck Trump paid hundreds
of thousands of dollars in theory for these women's stories
to never go public, got them to sign DA's. Then
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the women just told their story anyway, and nobody ever
talks about that. Like Stormy Daniels got one hundred and
thirty thousand dollars to keep her mouth shut, she signed
an NDA and then she comes out and tells her
story anyway, and she gets to keep all the money.
So it's like, well, hold on a minute, what was
the point of the NDA in the first place? And
I think the same thing happened now with Karen McDougall,
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although I don't think she's been as outspoken certainly as
Stormy Daniels has. So here we see this again. This
is the first time the Wall Street Journal reporting this,
so it's a very solid source. This is the first
time we've seen this brought up in the grand jury
that's currently underway, or that has been underway. It's on
a one month hiatus. Now. It's not clear to me
(36:15):
exactly what this is really gonna do you know, whether
they bring the charge or not, I don't think it's related.
It makes a difference, I'm sorry. Not the charge. Yeah,
the charge, whether the indictment comes down or not, doesn't
seem to really hinge on the McDougall component of this.
But I guess maybe they're trying to say there were
some kind of a pattern or practice here something like that.
(36:35):
That's my guest. But here's the issue, and this is
why I keep focusing on the legal versus the factual. Okay,
so just a quick refresher. Juries decide issues of fact,
Judges decide issues of law. To me, this is a
case based on law. The Statute of Limitations has now
run on this case. So I don't understand how they're
going to somehow get it in under a statute of limitations.
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But also, this is a basically a federal crime to
the extent that it's a crime at all that they
are trying to massage into a state crime. But Donald
Trump wasn't running for statewide office. He was running for
national office. And so I think this case is going
to get tossed on a legal basis regardless of what
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the factual underpinnings of it are. Does that make sense? Yeah,
of course all of this is insane. I mean this
is really you know, Democrats that like like like Bragg
think they're crusading heroes for justice or something by doing this,
And this is crazy happening. Buck. If Trump had lived
in Florida from the get go, because this is this
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is the exposure here is Trump is a Republican candidate
who happened to live in the state of New York.
You me, wherever you live, you have to worry about
federal law, but also state law. I don't think that
we should be allowing a state political prosecution. And you
saw these numbers. I think as well, Buck, something like
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two thirds of Americans, including a high percentage of Democrats,
believe that if Trump is charged, it's going to be
because of politics, not because of its being a crime,
which is why we ultimately think this redounds to Trump's
benefit if he has charged in this case. It couldn't
be more obvious, right if you're if you're not able
to get somebody on Russia collusion after a special counsel,
and you're not able to get them on all these
(38:24):
other things, and you go with this, I mean, this
is this is pathetic, these kinds of charges. No, who
is the victim in this process? Dude? That's you know,
usually you can take these these macro concerns into account
as you're supposed to as a prosecutor. If no one
is harmed, if the state is not harmed, if a
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person is not harmed, how is anyone being criminally charged? Like,
and you haven't broken some process egregiously in a way
that you have to, you know, you have to police
the breaking of certain norms, Like there's no norm here,
there's no process. The whole thing is crazy. It's a
great point. And also you can't even argue that this
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is some And again I'm not trying to take a
shot at Trump here. But the perception of Trump is
not one where you would be like, oh, I can't
believe Trump slept with a playboy model. Right. If this
were George W. Bush or Obama and they have this, hey,
we're really virtuous people. That is a big part of
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their personal political brands. You can see how that kind
of accusation might have rattled people who were big George W.
Bush or Barack Obama supporters. But Buck, let's be honest.
When the news broke about Bill Clinton hooking up with
an intern, most people were like, yeah, I could totally
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see that, and it doesn't impact Bill Clinton's political brand
to me. Also to your point building on who is
who is the victim here, I don't even think it
changes the way that lots of people think about Trump.
I don't think people thought, oh, I'm voting for Trump
because he's the greatest husband who's ever existed on the planet.
I think even Trump would laugh at that idea. Right,
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he's been married three times, whatever it is. I don't
particularly care about the personal peccadillos of political figures if
they are good candidates, right, if they're good at their job,
and I think that's where people were with Clinton and Trump.
So I don't even see this as some sort of
debilitating revelation that would change the over wouldn't have affected
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at all. I mean, I don't think if the if,
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you know what that snapshot of this audience's opinion is
at this stage of the primary and of the presidential contest.
And as promise, right now we have our friend Shannon
Bream with us now Fox News Chief Supreme Court Legal Analyst.
She has a new book out, The Love Stories of
the Bible, speak Biblical lessons on romance, friendship, and faith.
(42:45):
It is coming out later this week. Shannon, thank you
so much for being with us. Lay, it is our
buxcuse me, Buck and eventually Clay. It's always great to
be here, all right, yep, yep, where we're both here.
Appreciate you being with us. So tell us, Shannon, the
love stories of the book. I just kind of want
to just tell us about this love stories of the Patible.
So listen, a lot of times people are like, Okay,
(43:06):
what the heck could the Bible say about romance and
marriage and all that kind of stuff. But you know,
it's pretty steamy in portions, and it's not like God's
looking around like what are they doing down there? Like
he invented us. He knows that we're going to have
this desire to connect with other people, to be in relationships.
So the book is yes about the romances and complicated
and sometimes messy relationships, but also friendships because I think
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that's really so much of the fabric of our lives
that holds us together. The idea of community, but also
this came in to love your neighbor as yourself, which
is probably one of the hardest at times because there
aren't any outs or exceptions and Frankly, I think we
could use a little bit more of that right now, Shannon,
do you think your husband is listening to you on
(43:47):
this program right now or watching opening day of Major
League Baseball? You know what I would say, if he
was not in the air on an airplane right now,
he would be listening to well, he'd be watching baseball.
I don't Braves are winning. Braves are winning right now.
You're you are married into I don't know if people
know this. You'r Shannon Bream. Your brother. Sorry, Your brother
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in law is Sid Breem, who is one of the
most iconic Atlanta Braves stars of all time sliding into
home plate. For everybody out there who remembers that play,
that is the connection. Your husband is is Sidbream's brother. Yes,
so I want everybody out there to know that since
it's Opening day Major League Baseball. So, yes, you are
killing it on Fox News Sunday. But you also have
(44:33):
a deep understanding of what has gone on at the
Supreme Court and also our legal system in general. When
you see what is going on in New York City
with Alvin Bragg. And by the way, I'd encourage everybody
to go buy that book it's a great gift as
we get ready for certainly Mother's Day coming up and
everything else. When you see what's going on with Alvin
Bragg and New York City and now there's a one
(44:53):
month pause, and everybody seemed to think, Oh, Trump's gonna
get charged, Trump's gonna get charged. What do you think's
went on there? How would you read it to? You?
Leaves well as a fellow lawyer, my friend, I love
hearing what you think about's going on here too, because
my question is because grand juries are supposed to be secret,
that is for a lot of good reasons. It allows
their legal system to work in a certain way. But
(45:15):
when Robert Costello, the attorney, came out who said, listen,
I was hearing stuff that was coming out. I didn't
think it was accurate. He says. At one point he
represented Michael Cohen. Cohen says that's not the case. Be
that as it may. Robert Costello went and testified before
the grand jury and said, listen, Cohen's either lying back
then or he's lying now. And also, you've seen six
of more than three hundred relevant emails. This is Costello
(45:36):
making his case. There's a lot more to the story,
and I think that there's pressure from the right and
the left, of course, on Bragg to reconsider whether he
moves forward with this, because I think it's fair to
say it's probably, from what we know about these cases
being done in secret, the weakest against the former president,
and you know, to bring it this far, to try
to get an indictment but not get a conviction, it's
(45:58):
only going to lend credence to president argument that this
is nothing but political, no doubt, and building on that,
I agree one hundred percent with what you said Europe.
In the DC area, I'm sure you saw that there
was a report about what was going on with the
Supreme Court justices and the protests outside of their homes.
(46:18):
Those protests violate both federal and state law, arguably Maryland
and in Virginia, but certainly in the District of Columbia
where some of those justices reside. What did you think
about that story and the fact that there's arguments that
they've purposely chosen not to hold those protesters accountable. It's
really hard to understand because, gosh, think about it was
(46:40):
almost a year ago that we had that leak, which
immediately puts Yeah, I think it's it's easy to argue
some of these justices and lives in danger. We have
the one suspect who showed up that apparently made a statement,
according to police at one point that he had showed
up to hurt or to kill Justice Kavanaugh, to potentially
assassinate him. That case is ongoing, but we've all he's
asked this question, why are these protesters not being prosecuted?
(47:03):
Because you don't have to make a big Harry deal
out of it, but why not at least ticket some
of them, maybe arrest some of them. It might stop it.
I say, in touch with a number of these justices
and I know what's going on, and some of them
still have protesters showing up at their homes. That has
not gone away. It has not stopped. So when you've
got someone like Senator Katie Brick coming out and bringing
what she says of the receipts that show the DJ
(47:25):
was discouraging arresting those people, it sparks all kinds of
questions as to why. Speaking of Shannon Bream, her book
coming out this week is The Love Stories of the
Bible speak Biblical lessons on romance, friendship, and faith. You know,
Shannon Right now, klient I, earlier day, I should say,
(47:46):
we're talking about how Jacob Chansley has been released eighteen
months early. Do you think I mean, this is a
two part for you. Do you think that the recent
revelation of a video foot instrument side the Capitol was
a part of that early release once people saw what
(48:06):
Jacob chans They was really doing walking around. And also,
does it strike you that it's a breach of ethics
on the prosecutorial side that, at least according to defense attorneys,
to be clear, this information, this exculpatory information, was never
provided to Chansley's legal team. Yeah, just in general, I
think we all know this principle that if prosecutors have
(48:26):
exculpatory evidence, it has to be shared. I mean, that's
part of our legal system and the way that we
expected to work and want people to have confidence and it. So,
you know, there's this question, was his sentence reduced because
of you know, good conduct or things that normally happened
with difference inmates when they're in prison. But after the
revelation of those tapes, that sparks a whole another round
of questions for me about whether those who were involved
(48:51):
with that prosecution, felt like, Okay, this is he's done
enough time. This is going to get a little sticky
when we have to explain some of what we're seeing
doesn't line up with what some of what we've been told.
So I think it raises more questions than anything, and
I wonder if we will ever get an explanation from
the authorities about this transfer and reduction in his sentence. Shannon,
(49:12):
you are in the middle on Fox News Sunday of
the sort of not yet officially official Trump versus De
Santis battle. Have you been surprised by Trump's surge and
do you think the decantist campaign at all has been
taken a little bit by surprise by how aggressively Trump
has come after De Santists, even while the Santist is
(49:34):
not yet an official candidate. I think that's part of
why we're seeing the former president's surge, because for most people,
it doesn't look like he's got somebody who'd go toe
to toe with him at this point. There are really strong, interesting,
smart candidates d but not somebody was kind of the
star power of a decantist just yet. But his team
is obviously very carefully calculating this as a Decantis team.
(49:56):
You know, there are packs in different groups that have
been put together to say, if you get sin we've
got the infrastructure, We've got things lined up for him.
You know, we kind of keep hearing that he wants
to get through the legislative session down there in Florida.
But listen, what did the President say at Seapack a
few weeks ago when he was asked, you know, will
you drop out if you get indicted? And He's like,
no way, and it'll probably help my numbers. He has
(50:17):
a really good understanding of the pulse of what's going
on in the street, and I think he knows that
the more he can leverage this to say, look, this
is my proof. The establishments after me, the deep State
is after me. These prosecutions if they don't land, if
none of these swings actually land as a punch, I
think are only going to help make his argument for him.
(50:38):
So he was right about that. Does that Flip wants
de Santist gets in those numbers? I don't know. Interesting
that we had pulling out this week. That shows, yes,
President Trump is increasing his lead. He is a favorite
among Goope primary voters. But when you ask both people
who have Trump is their first choice or de Santis
as their their first choice, Who's your second choice? They
both flip so that the Santis voters love Trumps are
(50:59):
number tw Trump voters love to Santas as their number two.
I don't know if you guys were watching WAGO on
Saturday night, but when he brought up these lines about
the Santas, they didn't get this uproars applause that he
got for some of the other things, like going after
Avanbragg and others. So to me, I think there are
a lot of folks within the jup primary base who
are like, listen, we'd be happy with either one. Don't
trash each other to the point they're gonna be so
(51:20):
bloodied you're gonna have to limp into a general where
you can't win. Shannon building on that, when you look
at the way this campaign potentially is playing out, You've
got a big platform. How challenging is it to be
able to balance everything? Because Buck and I talk about this,
every time we say something positive about Trump, the Trump
(51:42):
people are like, yeah, every time we say something positive
about the Santis. Back and forth. It's a tough balancing act.
This feels like such an eight hundred pound guerrilla battle,
right that both sides are constantly looking in maybe a
way that's a lot different than in past years where
there's been like five or six or seven different people
who have had different surges. This feels like it's just
(52:02):
man versus man, the two of them, and that's pretty
much it. It does. And you guys probably come off
the air or while you're on the air, you can
look at social media and look at Twitter and get feedback.
You can do the same show and have half the
people say like, why are you so hard on President
Trump and you have no respect for him, and the
same show people can be like, well, clearly You've got
your talking points directly from President Trump's campaigns down. So
(52:22):
you know that people project a lot like they're very
much for Trump or they're very much for someone else
or against him. And I think a lot of times
they project their emotions onto what we're saying when we're
just trying to protect, you know, share with them factual
information or poll numbers, I mean, just data that is
statistical that doesn't have emotions connected to it. I think,
you know, politics has become very emotional for people. I
(52:43):
feel like shanding on any given day when I get
emails from people saying you're in the camp for Trump,
and then I also get about an equal number of
emails for people saying you're in the camp for Descantists,
that's a good side. If both teams think you're the
camp for the other person, then you're probably you know,
you're at least somewhere in the middle, somewhere somehow. Everyone
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great to have you on. Thank you so much for
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Sexton Show podcast. Welcome everybody. Thursday edition of The Clay
Travis and Buck Sexton Show starts right now. I've got
a lot to talk to you about today. First off,
the update from the Nashville school shooter, which we'll get
(00:21):
into in a moment. It seems that there is now
a report at least Daily Mail with this headline that
the shooter was targeting the school's head pastor. We'll discuss
that in a few moments here. Still have not seen
the manifesto, still has not been released, which I disagree with.
(00:42):
I think people should be able to see what the
motivations and what the psychological derangement was based in for
this mass shooter. Yeah, I was just gonna say, Buck,
I was told it's going to be released by people
who would know. I also would just say, I think
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there may be some crazy accusations in there, and so
that might be one of the challenges associated with releasing it.
And let me just kind of explain what I mean
by that. If you are a crazy person writing a
manifesto and you are personally attacking other people by names,
(01:23):
I think there's some challenges in editing this thing so
that you know, I think when we think a lot
of times a manifesto, it's like you're taking targets at
you know, the world has decided that it's going to
turn its back on us, and we have to do this.
But also there's parts in there where if there are
direct personal attacks on individuals, you have to figure out
how to parse and parcel that out, if that makes sense.
(01:45):
So I do think there's a little bit of a challenge,
as it would likely be the case with any mentally
ill individual, trying to figure out how exactly to put
that thing out there without increasing the pain that might
be involved in some of the people who are already victims,
if that makes sense. Since it's an interesting idea, if
it's going to be released eventually, I'm not really sure
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what and I don't know that law enforcement is going
to be in a position. This is not national security
sensitive information, correct, so so redacting things isn't really in
their purview. And I am just I will recall that
at the Pulse nightclub shooting, if you remember, this was
the most egregious This is what a lot of us
think may be happening, right now to your point, by
(02:28):
the way, maybe that is what's going on. Yeah, but
for a lot of us who have covered terrorists acts,
mass shooting, hate crimes for many years. You go back
and think about Pulse Nightclub. They exed out or blacked
out things. You know, they remove things from the transcript
the FBI under the Obama administration, where the guy was like,
I pledge my loyalty too, they blanked it. Well, it
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was the Abrahamic state. And then he says, and I'm
murdering all these people in the name of Allah, Like
we know what the blacked out lines were, but they
did it anyway, and everybody remembers how both we'rewelly in
and condescending and absurd that was. So I just feel
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like there's not a lot of good faith that there
need to be redactions done to a manifesto that what
you're saying may be true. Again, we don't know, but
if that were the case, Clay law enforcements should say
there are security issues. There are you know, there are
people's home addresses, phone numbers, like we can't just put
stuff in there. That's out for everybody. But it's very
(03:34):
hard for people to pass that. And then think, well,
this has nothing to do with this shooter telling everybody
why she was going to do this, which is what
the part of motive is that you know. Right now
they're saying, oh, we don't know the motive. That's what
law enforcement is stating. Well, and I understand one hundred
billion percent buck, we still don't know. Just to pull
one out out of a hat here, they never told
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us why that Las Vegas shooter acted, right, I mean store,
I mean the guy opened fire from the hotel in Vegas.
I don't use it concert. I don't think that's an
apples to apples comparison though, because he didn't leave behind
a manifesto that it's like, this is why I did it?
Right that we know of, right, I mean that to
be fair that we know of yes, true, but we
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know there was a manifesto this person left behind a
here's why I did it. Man It specifically said in
a message to one of her friends that we read
on this program. You'll know why I did this when
you read my manifesto, basically wetting her friend no, right
before she opened fire. I mean, we'll see because if
it's if it is a politically highly sensitive material that's okay,
(04:44):
and we can just by the way, I don't know
what's in there. Obviously Clay doesn't know what's in there,
but just if we're looking at the possibilities here, Clay
has laid out something interesting that I hadn't heard anyone
really raised yet. And I do think that if it's
a law enforcement should say, guys, look there's some things
in there, because right now we're just being told almost
like we're not able to handle as a society being
able to read this correct. You know, there are plenty
(05:06):
of crazy people's manifest is a crazy trans shooter and
that her act was motivated by her trans ideology, and
that because this is an inconvenient narrative for the left
in this country, that they will not allow that story
to be told. That is the fear right and buck.
Going back to Monday off air, I said, Hey, based
on these details that are coming out, it feels to
(05:27):
me like this may be a trans shooter and ended
up being true. So I would just kind of I
certainly understand why people are upset that this hasn't been released,
and also the more days that pass where it's not released,
the less attention it's going to get right. That's why
time they have to focus on gun control, which is
(05:49):
the narrative right now that is predominating. That's why there's
no trust here in the delay because if there is
politically politically look, let's be honest, politically imaging stuff in
there to the left, the longer they wait, the sense is,
the less attention it will get and the less political
damage it will do. There should be no political cover
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up allowed in a situation like this, whatsoever. The people
have a right to know. To your point, if it
comes out and there's you know, home addresses blacked out,
and there's an explanation of this, and there's now some
people won't even by the way, except that they'll say,
I don't trust what's blacked out. They've doctored this, they've
removed things, and I gotta say, I don't know. That
could be true as well. Remember the Pulse nightclub shooting
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showed the FBI will act like utter morons under a
Democrat administration because they were told to because of politics,
no question about it. When they were dacted all the
information from that transcript, because we all knew it wasn't
even like they hit anything effectively. So now there's no faith.
And now I think we have to see why the
delay of so many days. Who is the authority that
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can come along and say all right, it's okay now
for people to see this. Here's a question that I
think a lot of you out there would not along with.
If the shooter had been motivated by January sixth and
a stolen election, and he had written a manifesto or
she had written a manifesto on that, would it be
out yet? It would have been the lead news story,
as we know, every day, all day since the incident,
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without exception, and if anybody told any other if anyone
gave a stock update for thirty seconds before they went
back to the story, MSNBC would be saying they're minimizing
this horrific atrocity. It would have been. It would have
been leaked instantaneously to the New York Times or the
Washington Post. It would have been out there. So this
is why I have me. I honestly, I have no
faith in I have no faith that there's good faith
(07:40):
in the delay here. I have no faith in that whatsoever.
If I'm proven wrong, I'll say, okay, it looks like
law enforcement here, because we were look, we praise what
is good, we criticize what is bad. Obviously beyond question
those law enforcement officers, you know, the two with the
body camps, but there were others there. I feel like
those guys also deserve a lot of credit that exactly
the right thing moved well. I had various friends from
(08:02):
the special ops community reach out and say that they
were One of those guys was a marine. By the way.
One of the officers, um, they're you know, they're proud
of how those guys moved, proud of how they how
they got on target right away, went after the threat. Um.
And there was a lot of transparency in the first
twenty four hours from the chief of police. But then
it just stopped on this one issue. Yep. And and
(08:23):
that to a lot of people, I think Clay feels
highly suspicious, and it does feel like there's some political
fix that's in. And now I guess we're I was
gonna talk about that. We'll talk about the gun control push.
You got Joe Scarborough yelling about it. I will actually
Congressman Bowman is really yelling about it, yelling at at
Thomas Massey, another member of Congress who's a really both
(08:46):
aerudite and amusing guy Thomas Massey's really funny and really smart. Um.
But we'll talk about the gun control pushed part of
this in a second. I mentioned this at the top,
and we have other stories you want to talk about
today as well. By the way World Health Organization look
at shot whether teenagers, healthy teenagers and children should actually
get the COVID shot. But we'll lay some of this
out coming up here after the break. The Nashville shooter,
(09:09):
according to Daily Mail, was having private counseling sessions with
the school's head pastor before the massacre. He did kill
the pastor's nine year old daughter, We know that, so
it does seem that there was a personal grudge, effectively,
you know, personal assassination motive tied into this whole thing,
(09:29):
But it could be much broader in terms of the ideology.
We don't know what other targets. There's already been discussion
that there were other targets that came out the first
day from the chief of police in Nashville. We don't
know what they dispute. I mean this, you would think
this pastor was giving counseling sessions to a former student
of the school. What could have possibly happened in her mind, right,
(09:54):
that would then make her think that that this I mean,
there's nothing more monstrous than what this woman did. Nothing monster.
So I think we have a right to know how
did this person become a monster? Because this was truly
evil and depraved in the worst way. And I think
that anybody who's trying to hide this from the public
for reasons of anything other than as you said, individual
(10:15):
safety redacting information is really acting in a way that's uh,
that's awful. Maybe personal attacks just something to think about too,
um like crazy lies. There could be crazy lies manifesto
for sure, Yes, but I don't know how you you know,
everyone knows this person is crazy and this person is dead, right,
So is the idea that the police will cover up
(10:38):
some asks, you know what I mean? Let's say that
manifesto had some you know, crazy, truly crazy allegations against
named individuals. I don't think anybody would believe, you know,
believe the allegations or you know. I just wonder, is
the idea then that law enforcement keeps this stuff silent
or keeps us hidden forever. It will get out eventually.
I mean, I was in the CIA, can tell you
(11:00):
secrets that people want to know. Don't stay don't stay
secret for Hey, look, the Steel dossier was all completely
made up and it was one of the most widely distributed, uh,
you know, investigatory investigation, investigatory materials of all time. Right. So,
but you're you've heard from good sources in the area.
It ever knows obviously, Clay is born and raised in Nashville,
lives in Nashville, so you knows folks in the area
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very well. You think that the manifesto will will come out.
I was told that it will come out, And what
I have been told is that there is like we know,
the manifesto is going to be crazy, right, this is
a crazy person that there are challenging parts of the
manifesto that are crazy in ways different than you know,
(11:43):
like the sun is not going to come up tomorrow,
because you know, like all the crazy things that you
would expect personal things that are crazy as well. So
that's what I've been told. Obviously I haven't seen it.
I believe I'm always in favor of transparency. I've tweeted
and said on this show. I wanted out publicly for
everybody to be able to see because I think the
motivations do matter. But I am told that eventually it
(12:04):
is going to be out. I would I would just
say that again, Clay, law enforcement should just be transparent
about why they can't be transparent in this moment. Yeah,
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Thursday edition of the program. I want to hit you
with a couple of good news stories, I would say,
because we've had a lot of negativity certainly that is
out there in general. Let me share some of these.
The COVID emergency Buck is officially ended. The Senate passed
(13:58):
a bill to end the COVID emergence. The House has
also passed that bill, and Joe Biden has said he
will not veto it, he is going to sign it.
And so now I had to be fair and I
can drive around without a mask on now, Clay, is
that I think Biden had said that he was going
to end What did he say? Like May eleventh, the
COVID emergency was officially going to be over or whatever
(14:20):
it was that has now passed to the Senate. It
has now passed the House, and it passed in a
pretty substantial majority because Joe Biden once again left the
House out to dry because he said he didn't tell
them before the House vote that he would sign this
much like he did with the DC bill as it
pertains to safety, security and everything else that he ended
(14:42):
up signing. So the COVID emergency, three years after it
started fifteen days to drop the spread turned into basically
a thousand days of COVID emergency. We should never do
this again, and frankly, I don't think the President should
ever have the ability to do this again. I think
Congress should have to pass a bill mandating a national
(15:05):
emergency like this in a health related setting. I'll just
toss that out. There is something that I think we
should debate. Now. Do we want one person able to
make this decision potentially influenced by the faucies of the world,
or do you want your elected representatives to be able
to have that authority. I'd rather have this authority vest
in many ways in the House, and the Senate Constitution
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wasn't much of a protection, was it? No? Something we
have to be honest about when they shut down churches,
the weed stores were open. Yeah, no church allowed. But
they're gonna make movies that young kids now who will
not remember it, will watch and your grand I know this,
My grandkids are going to come in and they're gonna
(15:46):
be like, Grandpa, did they really tell you that you
had to walk one way down an aisle and that
you couldn't buy anything unless it was essential? And like,
they're not going to believe that it was real, just
a preview. Twenty thirty years from now, when I've got grandkids,
hopefully they're gonna be watching movies and they're gonna be like,
did twenty twenty really happen, Grandpa? And I'm gonna say yes,
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And it's going to be even more staggering how stupid
so many of these COVID zealots were. As the years
continued to add up, we talked about this buck and
I came on and put my legal hat on to
discuss it. Tucker Carlson shared the January sixth footage of
the QAnon Shaman. That QAnon Shaman footage, according to his
(16:29):
own defense attorney, was not shared with him as part
of government's discovery obligations. That is to me a pretty
clear violation of the obligations of the government. You have
to share all evidence, whether it is favorable or unfavorable
for a defendant. The QAnon Shaman has now been let
out of prison fourteen months early. I don't think it's
(16:53):
a coincidence, Buck, that this comes just what like two
or three weeks on the heels of Tucker Carlson airing
the footage of the January sixth incidents surrounding the qan
On Shaman. He became this shaman did sort of I
would say, the most famous of all January sixth people,
and he was considered to be one of the leaders
(17:16):
of the insurrection. And then when you watch all the
video that was inside that capitol that day, he looks
like unfortunately what he is, which is a sad, misguided man,
likely in the grips of severe mental illness, and they
tried to turn him into someone who was trying to
overturn the United States government. They there were Democrats, I
(17:36):
remember this, who were arguing that because he was carrying
a spear, yeah, they should add a deadly weapon enhancement
to his charge somehow, or they should find a way
to make it that, you know, effectively, you know, an
attempted I don't know it couldn't say attempted murder, but
you know they were going to say that he had
(17:58):
that there should be a federal weapons as if he
walked in there with a loaded pistol or something. They
were making that argument, they were, and it's ridiculous and
it was indefensible, and it is now out the window.
I want to echo again more good news, although it's
coming late. The WHO is now saying that kids and
(18:18):
teenagers do not need to get the COVID shot because
they're at such low risk of COVID. We just said
that at the end of the hour. But I want
all of you to hear it out there because I
know many parents out there who made this choice for
their kids. And you have been called anti vaccine, You
have been raked over the coals. You may have had issues.
I know this has happened unfortunately back because many of
(18:40):
the Fauci Zealots were so in belief that this shot
was necessary that they wouldn't hang out with their grandkids,
or they wouldn't hang out with members of their family
who were refusing to get kids the COVID shot. Well,
now the who is coming out and letting it be
known that that is a worthless shot for kids and teenagers,
as we have said sometime on this program. But I
(19:02):
want to circle back around, uh, to the to the
debate that is currently still in full flourishment, and that
is over guns. Right. Crazy trans girl shoots up at
Nashville school, kills six innocent people. The story is not
about her. It's about the fact that she was able
to get guns. According to Democrats, And I will point
(19:24):
this out, Buck, this is your TikTok ally Jamal Jamal Bowman.
Oh hey, earlier this week, you and Bowman thickest thieves,
your your TikTok brown other with me on this one, sir.
You got arms around each other. You're both saying, hey,
this TikTok thing. There's no way we can do this.
(19:44):
So Jamal Bowman decides that he is going to go
off on on this situation. Let me mention this too
before I do. Uh. Senator Blackburn and Senator Haggerty, the
two senators from the state of Tennessee, have introduced legislation
that would provide nearly a billion dollars to schools. So
they can hire more armed security to protect students all
(20:06):
over the nation. I think we need to invest more
than that. Uh whatever it costs to put armed security
in every single school in America. I would be in
favor of that. I think you would be tu buck um.
But Jamal Bowman, he says, more guns, more death. He
completely goes off outside of the House chambers. This is
(20:26):
what it sounded like last night, freaking towers. They're colors
more because look at the data. They're not looking at
(20:48):
any data every by the way, can we look at
(21:12):
the data because what he says the congressman you heard
on their shouting. That was Thomas Massey trying to reason
with y who was reasoning with him on the other side.
Much less uh strident in his screaming. Of course, members
of Congress. Should you know, the shouldn't be taught. I mean,
Bowman shouldn't be shouting at anybody like that. It was.
It's out of line. But just put that aside. People's like, oh,
politics is you know, it's a tough sport. Okay. I
(21:34):
still think you can act like a person with some manners.
But um, here's here's the truth. He said, more guns
equals more death. That's the line he was shouting at him,
over and over and over again. Uh. Okay, let's go
through some states, Clay, Let's go through some states. Now,
everybody that have the most permissive gun regulations in the
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entire country. Vermont, for example, a death Democrats stronghold Bernie
Sanders home state. You don't You can conceal carr in Vermont.
You don't need a permit in Vermont, I think now
conceal versus open carry. I don't know offhand every state's lost.
Just to be claris so I don't want to get
this wrong, but I know you can conceal carry. I
know you don't need any kind of a permit. It's
a shall issue state. They have how many murders a
(22:18):
year play on average? Vermont the whole six hundred thousand people.
Ten that's about right. Twelve to thirteen I think is
the number. So virtually unheard of that someone gets murdered
in Vermont. So ever understands we're gonna go population to population. Okay,
population to population. DC has six hundred thousand people, and
DC had almost two hundred murders last year. Yeah, and
(22:41):
DC is still very hard even after DCV Heller. You
cannot conceal carry. It's very hard to get a premise permit. Okay,
So Vermont, half of households have guns. There are three
hundred thousand people basically in the state of Vermont who
are in a household that has a gun, and they
have out twelve murders a year. That's interesting because that's
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a lot of guns with almost you know, very minimal
regulation of any kind. M What about Wyoming and anyone
want to guess how many murders in Wyoming in any
given year similar population to Vermont? Uh less, I think
I think it's lessons all right, So I'm not going
to count the Yellowstone murders because they're actually taking place
in Yellowstone is more dangerous than Fallujah. Clay As I
(23:23):
keep telling you, Yellowstone the show is for those of
you watch Yellowstone. They take their dead bodies to Wyoming
and dump them into a evidently a crevice that is
is unreachable by anybody, anybody because they've got done. Sometimes
you're you're a rancher, and sometimes you know you're banging
it out with them. Four is on the corner with
some bad guys that appear out of nowhere, that's just
(23:43):
what I bet. There have been more deaths on Yellowstone
the television show than the violent deaths than have occurred
in Montana during the length of the time that that
show has been going on. Well, it wouldn't that be
a fun article, Like actual deaths in Montana compared to
deaths on Yellowstone. More people have died on yostone the
show than I think have died if you know, if
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from violence in Montana in the last twenty years would
be mine. So just putting that out there, I'm gonna say, Wyoming,
I'm gonna say, you know, fifteen murders. That's about I mean,
so I actually have the per hundred thousand residents. Two
murders per hundred thousand residents in Wyoming is what they basically.
So they basically have. And by the way, that's not
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even gun violence. That includes you know, domestic violence where
somebody you know, hits somebody else with a frying pan
or a stabs them with a knife or whatever baseball bat.
So you're looking at you know, a handful, you know,
you can count them on one hand in the whole state. Anyway,
you go down that the point of your folks, you
go down. Look at Idaho, look at Vermont, look at Wyoming,
look at Maine, look at you know, these are all
(24:46):
states where you have not only permissive gun laws, but
high levels of gun ownership. Yeah, and almost no gun violence.
By the way, this is why the Dershwitz and I
debated this on CNN like twenty fourteen, and this is
where the argument went because he said the same thing.
He's like, more guns means more people getting shot. I'm like, well, unfortunately, sir,
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that is inaccurate. You know, it's trying to be respectful,
it's like, unfortunately, what you're saying is not true. That
data does not support this argument that they make. So
why do we have to listen to an argument that
is so easily refuted because it's based in emotion, it's
based on what people what democrats want to hear. And
what you actually find out when you look at the
(25:29):
real data is that people who are concealed carry permit
holders are as a population pretty much the most law
abiding Americans you will find anywhere, period. And that's across
all states. And that's not even just gun violence, that's
all laws. They're highly law abiding. Because one thing, if
you're a concealed carry permit holder, is you understand the
responsibility that you're carrying and the need to bend to
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understand all the different laws that you come into contact with,
and you have to abide by as somebody who's going
to enjoy your Second Amendment rights. So this whole, the
whole argument they're having more guns equals more death. It's
just not true. It's just I talked buck and it's
kind of wild to think about. But I talked with
a guy Tuesday who said he had grown up in
a rural area and they had a shooting team at
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his high school and he would bring his rifle to
school and leave it in his locker and then take
it out at the end of the day to go
be a member of the shooting team. I mean, just thinking.
I mean, so, in other words, we've had people carrying
guns into schools for decades, and up until Columbine, really
(26:33):
we never even had the idea that there would be
people getting shot in school. This is why, you know,
there's also a lot of sensitivity around this for Democrats,
because they're really taught that this is a moral crusade.
It's a bit like climate change for them. They just
have to be on the right side of the gun issue,
and then they're a good person and they get to
virtue signal endlessly about it, and they get to know
browbeat anybody else who won't go along with them as
(26:54):
a bad person. The notion of gun free zones, particularly
as it pertains to school, is an indefensibly absurd and
stupid policy that has probably led to more people being
shot on schools because anybody who's going to harm somebody,
it's the most straightforward thing imaginable. Anyone who plans to
shoot another human being on the grounds of a school
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or you know, within one hundred feet of a school
doesn't care that it's a gun free zone, and we
all know that. So it does nothing. All it does,
Clay is possibly mean that somebody who brings a shotgun
and leaves it in their trunk and wants to go
shoot sporting clays or shoot beer cans or whatever after school,
adult or you know, an adult age you know, eighteen
year olds a student could go to prison. That's all
(27:38):
that it means. That's all that it does, and we
all know this. But they won't engage with the debate
as it actually is. Instead, they just shout look at
the data. I would want to ask Jamal Bob Bowman
as well. You're so worried about gun violence, what do
you think about the declining or the declinations of prosecutions
of convicted felons found with guns in Philadelphia? Fifty percent
(27:59):
of them no charge whatsoever felon in possession of a handgun.
I think also this is worth hitting two. You pointed
it out for a while. If we eliminated every mass
shooting in America, ninety seven percent of murders would still happen. Yes,
so all of the attention comes, you know, running in
every time we have a mass shooting, and they're certainly
awful and they provoke emotional reactions. But if we eliminated
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every mass shooting in American ninety seven percent of murders
would still occur. And by the way, nobody even wants
to talk about who the murderers are. Think about that.
How often do you see like murder really broken down?
There's about what one percent of the American population, Young
black men sixteen to forty commit over half of all murders.
Jamal Bowman, want to have that conversation your boy TikTok,
(28:44):
that'd be an interesting conversation. Right, we want to eliminate murders.
Let's go where murders are actually committed and do whatever
we can to stop them from happening. Instead, all these
cities are letting murderers back out on the street to
commit violent crime because they're worried about racial equity. Result
is more dead people. I just wish we could all
get on the same page here, which is let's do
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Although it's not new information that it's based on, it
is being used in a new way. So yeah, we'll
do the breaking news. You gotta come up with a
cool sound. We do need a sounder, by the way,
that's yea to us for breaking news, Like I don't mean,
you know, I don't know what the sound should be,
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but we need a we need a breaking news sound
or I think if the full like yeah, yeah, I
think there's something like that. So the Trump grand jury,
we're just talking about Trump. By the way, this pull
it's amazing, like it's it's neck and neck. DeSantis will
go up a little, Trump will go up a little.
It's up at Clay and Buck dot com. We retweeted
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it from the Clay and Buck Twitter account. Um, so
we got a couple of ways you can weigh in
on this poll. We'll do a consolidated you know, all
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we end up getting for this, but you know as
the overall number. But it's see, it is very very
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close right now, very tight. Um. So with that in mind,
we're just talking about Trump. So we've been told that
for the next month there's not gonna be anything new
with the grand jury in New York. But here's the
Wallstreet Journal is reporting that Trump grand jury digs into
hush money paid to a second woman. Now, and this
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is money paid. I remember that this was part of
the allegations back in the day, money paid to former
Playboy model Karen MacDougall Clay. What is going on here, man,
with these allegations the legal ease here, what's happening? If
I remember, these are two different stories now, if I
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remember the way that they were paid, meaning obviously they're
two different women. Karen McDougall was a former Playboy model
and she was supposedly paid one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
But my recollection, I'm scrolling through this article to see
if I'm correct, my recollection is that yeah, here it is.
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She signed a contract with the National Inquirer in August
of twenty sixteen. This is the so called catching release idea.
UM where they will pay someone. The National Inquirer would
would pay someone for their story and then basically kill
it like they wouldn't publish it. Is that called catch
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and kill? Yeah? Yeah, sorry, catching kill? Uh? And so
that was done by the National Inquirer. And remember do
you remember the name of the National Inquirer owner? It's
kind of amazing. Oh wait, wait wait it's a great name,
but I don't remember what is it? David Pecker? Um,
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there you go, David Pecker, who also got involved in
ironically enough, given his last name a Jeff Bezos. Uh
you know sexual affair story if you remember that. Uh.
So they've been bringing in David Pecker, the former chief
executive of this and they may be arguing about how
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exactly that payment occurred. Because just for those of you
out there that care about this, and again it's going
on as a grand jury, so I want to make
sure we get this right. The hundred and thirty thousand
dollars went to Stormy Daniels via Cohen, right, Trump's attorney,
and that's where they tried to argue that this was
(34:25):
an FEC violation Federal Election Commission. I'm not sure how
the money if it was ever repaid to the National Inquirer,
or whether the National Inquirer handled that hundred and fifty
thousand dollars things to hold on. Here's the detail. The
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publisher agreed to transfer the rights to McDougal's story to
a company controlled by Michael Cohen, a consultant, then issued
an invoice to Owen, and they repaid that as well.
So basically, this whole story situation is Trump may have,
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he denies it, may have slept with these women, and
in order to keep them from making those allegations public,
they paid them to keep silent the irony here, and
nobody talks about this at all. Buck Trump paid hundreds
of thousands of dollars in theory for these women's stories
to never go public, got them to sign DA's. Then
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the women just told their story anyway, and nobody ever
talks about that. Like Stormy Daniels got one hundred and
thirty thousand dollars to keep her mouth shut, she signed
an NDA and then she comes out and tells her
story anyway, and she gets to keep all the money.
So it's like, well, hold on a minute, what was
the point of the NDA in the first place? And
I think the same thing happened now with Karen McDougall,
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although I don't think she's been as outspoken certainly as
Stormy Daniels has. So here we see this again. This
is the first time the Wall Street Journal reporting this,
so it's a very solid source. This is the first
time we've seen this brought up in the grand jury
that's currently underway, or that has been underway. It's on
a one month hiatus. Now. It's not clear to me
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exactly what this is really gonna do you know, whether
they bring the charge or not, I don't think it's related.
It makes a difference, I'm sorry. Not the charge. Yeah,
the charge, whether the indictment comes down or not, doesn't
seem to really hinge on the McDougall component of this.
But I guess maybe they're trying to say there were
some kind of a pattern or practice here something like that.
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That's my guest. But here's the issue, and this is
why I keep focusing on the legal versus the factual. Okay,
so just a quick refresher. Juries decide issues of fact,
Judges decide issues of law. To me, this is a
case based on law. The Statute of Limitations has now
run on this case. So I don't understand how they're
going to somehow get it in under a statute of limitations.
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But also, this is a basically a federal crime to
the extent that it's a crime at all that they
are trying to massage into a state crime. But Donald
Trump wasn't running for statewide office. He was running for
national office. And so I think this case is going
to get tossed on a legal basis regardless of what
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the factual underpinnings of it are. Does that make sense? Yeah,
of course all of this is insane. I mean this
is really you know, Democrats that like like like Bragg
think they're crusading heroes for justice or something by doing this,
And this is crazy happening. Buck. If Trump had lived
in Florida from the get go, because this is this
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is the exposure here is Trump is a Republican candidate
who happened to live in the state of New York.
You me, wherever you live, you have to worry about
federal law, but also state law. I don't think that
we should be allowing a state political prosecution. And you
saw these numbers. I think as well, Buck, something like
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two thirds of Americans, including a high percentage of Democrats,
believe that if Trump is charged, it's going to be
because of politics, not because of its being a crime,
which is why we ultimately think this redounds to Trump's
benefit if he has charged in this case. It couldn't
be more obvious, right if you're if you're not able
to get somebody on Russia collusion after a special counsel,
and you're not able to get them on all these
(38:24):
other things, and you go with this, I mean, this
is this is pathetic, these kinds of charges. No, who
is the victim in this process? Dude? That's you know,
usually you can take these these macro concerns into account
as you're supposed to as a prosecutor. If no one
is harmed, if the state is not harmed, if a
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person is not harmed, how is anyone being criminally charged? Like,
and you haven't broken some process egregiously in a way
that you have to, you know, you have to police
the breaking of certain norms, Like there's no norm here,
there's no process. The whole thing is crazy. It's a
great point. And also you can't even argue that this
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is some And again I'm not trying to take a
shot at Trump here. But the perception of Trump is
not one where you would be like, oh, I can't
believe Trump slept with a playboy model. Right. If this
were George W. Bush or Obama and they have this, hey,
we're really virtuous people. That is a big part of
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their personal political brands. You can see how that kind
of accusation might have rattled people who were big George W.
Bush or Barack Obama supporters. But Buck, let's be honest.
When the news broke about Bill Clinton hooking up with
an intern, most people were like, yeah, I could totally
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see that, and it doesn't impact Bill Clinton's political brand
to me. Also to your point building on who is
who is the victim here, I don't even think it
changes the way that lots of people think about Trump.
I don't think people thought, oh, I'm voting for Trump
because he's the greatest husband who's ever existed on the planet.
I think even Trump would laugh at that idea. Right,
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he's been married three times, whatever it is. I don't
particularly care about the personal peccadillos of political figures if
they are good candidates, right, if they're good at their job,
and I think that's where people were with Clinton and Trump.
So I don't even see this as some sort of
debilitating revelation that would change the over wouldn't have affected
(40:30):
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at all. I mean, I don't think if the if,
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you know what that snapshot of this audience's opinion is
at this stage of the primary and of the presidential contest.
And as promise, right now we have our friend Shannon
Bream with us now Fox News Chief Supreme Court Legal Analyst.
She has a new book out, The Love Stories of
the Bible, speak Biblical lessons on romance, friendship, and faith.
(42:45):
It is coming out later this week. Shannon, thank you
so much for being with us. Lay, it is our
buxcuse me, Buck and eventually Clay. It's always great to
be here, all right, yep, yep, where we're both here.
Appreciate you being with us. So tell us, Shannon, the
love stories of the book. I just kind of want
to just tell us about this love stories of the Patible.
So listen, a lot of times people are like, Okay,
(43:06):
what the heck could the Bible say about romance and
marriage and all that kind of stuff. But you know,
it's pretty steamy in portions, and it's not like God's
looking around like what are they doing down there? Like
he invented us. He knows that we're going to have
this desire to connect with other people, to be in relationships.
So the book is yes about the romances and complicated
and sometimes messy relationships, but also friendships because I think
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that's really so much of the fabric of our lives
that holds us together. The idea of community, but also
this came in to love your neighbor as yourself, which
is probably one of the hardest at times because there
aren't any outs or exceptions and Frankly, I think we
could use a little bit more of that right now, Shannon,
do you think your husband is listening to you on
(43:47):
this program right now or watching opening day of Major
League Baseball? You know what I would say, if he
was not in the air on an airplane right now,
he would be listening to well, he'd be watching baseball.
I don't Braves are winning. Braves are winning right now.
You're you are married into I don't know if people
know this. You'r Shannon Bream. Your brother. Sorry, Your brother
(44:10):
in law is Sid Breem, who is one of the
most iconic Atlanta Braves stars of all time sliding into
home plate. For everybody out there who remembers that play,
that is the connection. Your husband is is Sidbream's brother. Yes,
so I want everybody out there to know that since
it's Opening day Major League Baseball. So, yes, you are
killing it on Fox News Sunday. But you also have
(44:33):
a deep understanding of what has gone on at the
Supreme Court and also our legal system in general. When
you see what is going on in New York City
with Alvin Bragg. And by the way, I'd encourage everybody
to go buy that book it's a great gift as
we get ready for certainly Mother's Day coming up and
everything else. When you see what's going on with Alvin
Bragg and New York City and now there's a one
(44:53):
month pause, and everybody seemed to think, Oh, Trump's gonna
get charged, Trump's gonna get charged. What do you think's
went on there? How would you read it to? You?
Leaves well as a fellow lawyer, my friend, I love
hearing what you think about's going on here too, because
my question is because grand juries are supposed to be secret,
that is for a lot of good reasons. It allows
their legal system to work in a certain way. But
(45:15):
when Robert Costello, the attorney, came out who said, listen,
I was hearing stuff that was coming out. I didn't
think it was accurate. He says. At one point he
represented Michael Cohen. Cohen says that's not the case. Be
that as it may. Robert Costello went and testified before
the grand jury and said, listen, Cohen's either lying back
then or he's lying now. And also, you've seen six
of more than three hundred relevant emails. This is Costello
(45:36):
making his case. There's a lot more to the story,
and I think that there's pressure from the right and
the left, of course, on Bragg to reconsider whether he
moves forward with this, because I think it's fair to
say it's probably, from what we know about these cases
being done in secret, the weakest against the former president,
and you know, to bring it this far, to try
to get an indictment but not get a conviction, it's
(45:58):
only going to lend credence to president argument that this
is nothing but political, no doubt, and building on that,
I agree one hundred percent with what you said Europe.
In the DC area, I'm sure you saw that there
was a report about what was going on with the
Supreme Court justices and the protests outside of their homes.
(46:18):
Those protests violate both federal and state law, arguably Maryland
and in Virginia, but certainly in the District of Columbia
where some of those justices reside. What did you think
about that story and the fact that there's arguments that
they've purposely chosen not to hold those protesters accountable. It's
really hard to understand because, gosh, think about it was
(46:40):
almost a year ago that we had that leak, which
immediately puts Yeah, I think it's it's easy to argue
some of these justices and lives in danger. We have
the one suspect who showed up that apparently made a statement,
according to police at one point that he had showed
up to hurt or to kill Justice Kavanaugh, to potentially
assassinate him. That case is ongoing, but we've all he's
asked this question, why are these protesters not being prosecuted?
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Because you don't have to make a big Harry deal
out of it, but why not at least ticket some
of them, maybe arrest some of them. It might stop it.
I say, in touch with a number of these justices
and I know what's going on, and some of them
still have protesters showing up at their homes. That has
not gone away. It has not stopped. So when you've
got someone like Senator Katie Brick coming out and bringing
what she says of the receipts that show the DJ
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was discouraging arresting those people, it sparks all kinds of
questions as to why. Speaking of Shannon Bream, her book
coming out this week is The Love Stories of the
Bible speak Biblical lessons on romance, friendship, and faith. You know,
Shannon Right now, klient I, earlier day, I should say,
(47:46):
we're talking about how Jacob Chansley has been released eighteen
months early. Do you think I mean, this is a
two part for you. Do you think that the recent
revelation of a video foot instrument side the Capitol was
a part of that early release once people saw what
(48:06):
Jacob chans They was really doing walking around. And also,
does it strike you that it's a breach of ethics
on the prosecutorial side that, at least according to defense attorneys,
to be clear, this information, this exculpatory information, was never
provided to Chansley's legal team. Yeah, just in general, I
think we all know this principle that if prosecutors have
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exculpatory evidence, it has to be shared. I mean, that's
part of our legal system and the way that we
expected to work and want people to have confidence and it. So,
you know, there's this question, was his sentence reduced because
of you know, good conduct or things that normally happened
with difference inmates when they're in prison. But after the
revelation of those tapes, that sparks a whole another round
of questions for me about whether those who were involved
(48:51):
with that prosecution, felt like, Okay, this is he's done
enough time. This is going to get a little sticky
when we have to explain some of what we're seeing
doesn't line up with what some of what we've been told.
So I think it raises more questions than anything, and
I wonder if we will ever get an explanation from
the authorities about this transfer and reduction in his sentence. Shannon,
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you are in the middle on Fox News Sunday of
the sort of not yet officially official Trump versus De
Santis battle. Have you been surprised by Trump's surge and
do you think the decantist campaign at all has been
taken a little bit by surprise by how aggressively Trump
has come after De Santists, even while the Santist is
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not yet an official candidate. I think that's part of
why we're seeing the former president's surge, because for most people,
it doesn't look like he's got somebody who'd go toe
to toe with him at this point. There are really strong, interesting,
smart candidates d but not somebody was kind of the
star power of a decantist just yet. But his team
is obviously very carefully calculating this as a Decantis team.
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You know, there are packs in different groups that have
been put together to say, if you get sin we've
got the infrastructure, We've got things lined up for him.
You know, we kind of keep hearing that he wants
to get through the legislative session down there in Florida.
But listen, what did the President say at Seapack a
few weeks ago when he was asked, you know, will
you drop out if you get indicted? And He's like,
no way, and it'll probably help my numbers. He has
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a really good understanding of the pulse of what's going
on in the street, and I think he knows that
the more he can leverage this to say, look, this
is my proof. The establishments after me, the deep State
is after me. These prosecutions if they don't land, if
none of these swings actually land as a punch, I
think are only going to help make his argument for him.
(50:38):
So he was right about that. Does that Flip wants
de Santist gets in those numbers? I don't know. Interesting
that we had pulling out this week. That shows, yes,
President Trump is increasing his lead. He is a favorite
among Goope primary voters. But when you ask both people
who have Trump is their first choice or de Santis
as their their first choice, Who's your second choice? They
both flip so that the Santis voters love Trumps are
(50:59):
number tw Trump voters love to Santas as their number two.
I don't know if you guys were watching WAGO on
Saturday night, but when he brought up these lines about
the Santas, they didn't get this uproars applause that he
got for some of the other things, like going after
Avanbragg and others. So to me, I think there are
a lot of folks within the jup primary base who
are like, listen, we'd be happy with either one. Don't
trash each other to the point they're gonna be so
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bloodied you're gonna have to limp into a general where
you can't win. Shannon building on that, when you look
at the way this campaign potentially is playing out, You've
got a big platform. How challenging is it to be
able to balance everything? Because Buck and I talk about this,
every time we say something positive about Trump, the Trump
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people are like, yeah, every time we say something positive
about the Santis. Back and forth. It's a tough balancing act.
This feels like such an eight hundred pound guerrilla battle,
right that both sides are constantly looking in maybe a
way that's a lot different than in past years where
there's been like five or six or seven different people
who have had different surges. This feels like it's just
(52:02):
man versus man, the two of them, and that's pretty
much it. It does. And you guys probably come off
the air or while you're on the air, you can
look at social media and look at Twitter and get feedback.
You can do the same show and have half the
people say like, why are you so hard on President
Trump and you have no respect for him, and the
same show people can be like, well, clearly You've got
your talking points directly from President Trump's campaigns down. So
(52:22):
you know that people project a lot like they're very
much for Trump or they're very much for someone else
or against him. And I think a lot of times
they project their emotions onto what we're saying when we're
just trying to protect, you know, share with them factual
information or poll numbers, I mean, just data that is
statistical that doesn't have emotions connected to it. I think,
you know, politics has become very emotional for people. I
(52:43):
feel like shanding on any given day when I get
emails from people saying you're in the camp for Trump,
and then I also get about an equal number of
emails for people saying you're in the camp for Descantists,
that's a good side. If both teams think you're the
camp for the other person, then you're probably you know,
you're at least somewhere in the middle, somewhere somehow. Everyone
to check out Shannon's book Love Stories of the Bible
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Speak Biblical Lessons on romance, friendship, and faith. Jannon Breen,
great to have you on. Thank you so much for
being with us. Such a treat to visit with you. Guys,
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