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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. We've got a
very special guest for all of you. President Trump forty five,
soon to be forty seven, taped with us yesterday evening
because he is presently in court dealing with the ridiculous
(00:22):
trial that has been brought against him by Alvin Bragg,
Joe Biden and company.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
So he's in a.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Courtroom right now, but he wanted to make sure he
could talk with all of you. We're going to play
right now half of the interview right off the top
of the show here, and then we're going to play
the second half of the interview in the third hour.
But President Trump wanted to make sure that he could
speak with all of you, and we talked to him
yesterday evening. It begins now, we were blown away by
(00:50):
the crowd that you had in Wildwood, New Jersey. A
guy I think you know, Mark Simone, said that he
thinks you can win New York your campaign, we know,
said Virginia and Minnesota are both competitive. Based on the
reaction you're getting in New York and New Jersey, do
you think you can make a run in that area.
(01:10):
In New York in particular.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Well, they say, we're in play. And the beautiful thing
about New York. You win New York, that takes their
cheating out of play because they won't be able to
will any state that they win by cheating will more
than make up for it with New York and New Jersey.
So we have great polls. We were one up in
New Jersey. We're very close to New York, you know,
outside of the actual city, which now is so bad
(01:35):
that I look, if I live here, I'm going to
vote for the Republican no matter who. And Trump is
sort of the good Republican. But you know, Lee's Eldon
is a great guy. He's solely supportive of us. He's
if he would have been running today instead of two
years ago, he would have picked up a ten point difference.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
He he won close, but it would have been ten
points better. And I think New York is in play.
I think Virginia, I think that New Mexico and Minnesota.
I think there are a lot of states in play
that people aren't thinking about. They're so dissatisfied with the
worst president in the.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
History of our country.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
He's the worst Look, I don't have to convince you
people you know better than me. He's two of the
people that might know better than me. He is the
worst president in the history of our country.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Without there's no question, no question about that. I mean,
you were speaking about a great guy, Lee Zelden. A
lot of speculation right now, mister President, about who your
VP might be. Now, if you want to tell us
who it is now, we're not going to stop you.
But if you just maybe want to give us a
top three.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
A top three, well I won't do three, but I
will say we have a lot of good people, and
you know, Lee will definitely be somewhere in here in
terms of the administration.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
He's great. You know, he's a great lawyer too.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
He's actually a very he was fantastic on the impeachment
hoax when he was a congressman. And he'll be coming
with me in some form anyway, at a high level.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
But Tim, Tim Scott in play, JD.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Advance in play are these are all names, the names
that are being talked about sort.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Of like a lot of people are in play.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
And I'm really a believer that you do it during
the convention, you know, you really do it during the convention.
I'm also, unfortunately a believer that historically vps I don't
think ever have helped. I think they can hurt a
little bit, but they haven't helped. It's you know, you
have one exciting day and then you're back to the
president is running. But you need somebody that can be
(03:27):
good just in case that that horrible, just in case.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
You know, look, that's a big situation. You have to
go with it, but just.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
In case, and you need somebody that can ideally help
you get the votes. But I will say the single
most important ingredient is will that person be a great president?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
That's a very important thing.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I'm sure you've seen some of the Christy Nome stories.
You might be the only person getting worse pressed than
you on the left right now with the dog shooting
story and then the Kim Jong un story, you met
Kim Jong un, I'm curious what that relationship is like.
Now does any of that story? Is she still in
the mix as a VP? Have you thought maybe she'd
(04:07):
make more sense in a cabinet? How do you analyze
stories like that as you go about making a choice.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Well, until this week, she was doing incredibly well, and
she got hit hard. And sometimes you do books and
you have some guy writing a book and you maybe
don't read it as carefully. You know, you have ghostwriters too.
They help you, and they in this case didn't help
too much. Now she's terrific. Look, she's been a supporter
of mine from day once. She did a great job
(04:33):
of governor as governor, and you know, you look at
South Dakota numbers, she's really done a great job. And
in some form, I mean, I think she's terrific. A
couple of rough stories, there's no question about it. And
when explained the dog story, you know, people hear that
and people from different parts of the country probably feel
(04:54):
a little bit differently. But that's a tough story. But
she's a terrific person. She'd uh, she had a bad
she had a bad week.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Well have if I can, if I can miss a president,
And we're speaking to number forty five, President Trump, and
as Clay said, future number forty seven, Uh, sir, this
so far, this Coen trial, I'm sorry, this New York
City trial where Michael Cohen testified. It would be hard
to think of something that is both more absurd and
more more outrageous than what they're doing to you in
(05:27):
New York, but it doesn't seem to be working. I
just wanted to give you the chance to address everyone
across the country. It seems like this is backfiring in
the Democrats faces of the Biden prosecution.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
It's one of the most disgusting things that anybody's ever
seen in the history of our country. In terms of elections.
It's third world country. What they've done is weaponize the
DOJ the FBI, They've weaponized and you could see it
coming with these people. They are truly the ones. They
are bad for democracy. You know, they like to say
a threat to democracy.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
They are a threat.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
And part of it is that we have a president
that's totally you know, incompetent, but they are so bad
what they're doing with this this hoax. And you know,
I have a gag order where many very important parts.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Of it I'm not allowed because we have a totally
corrupt we have a corrupt judge and.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
A conflicted judge. He's conflicted like no judge has ever
been before. And the mainstream media knows exactly what I'm saying,
but they try and keep it down to a minor roar.
No highly conflicted, and this is a case that should
have never been allowed. You know, Alvin Bragg, the DA,
who's a terrible DA. Crime is rampant, I mean violent
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crime is all over the city at levels, I mean
levels that people have never seen before. And he's got
like twenty guys sitting in their assistant das over absolutely
what Jonathan Turley, what Andy McCarthy, what Mark Livin, all
your friends, what every one of them said, is not
a crime.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
There's not a case. And I've been.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Sitting there for almost four weeks in this icebox, I
call it the icebox, and in front of a judge.
It's so highly conflicted. He should not be allowed to
be doing this trial.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
And it's so bad for New York.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
But I had two other cases too, I had Judge
Kaplan and Judge and Goren, and they should they should
not be allowed to even serve when you see what
they did. So I've been set up with bad judges.
It's so bad for New York. It's so horrible for
New York what's taking place. But this one is going
on and literally every scholar, every legal expert, and you guys,
(07:38):
but everybody has said that this is a case that
shouldn't happen. Alvin Bragg, you know, when he originally came
in said there's no way you have a case here.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
He got angry.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
And then when the election, you know, they could have
brought this case seven years ago. They could have brought
it seven years ago, but they chose to bring it
right in the middle of my campaign. Nobody's ever seen
anything like it. There's no crime. I mean Mark Levin
was doing last night his show is great, and he
was going, there is no crime, and he's giving you
fifteen reasons why it's terrible.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
It's a terrible, terrible thing.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
But when you look at McCarthy and Turley and Greg Jared,
who's fantastic, You look at all of these people and
they all say the same thing. It's I mean, I
haven't seen anybody that says it's even a case.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
But I'm not allowed to speak. Can you believe I'm gagged?
They gave me a.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Gag order where I'm not allowed to speak about major
portions of the case.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Is this election already ribbed?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Sir?
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Given what they're doing to you, Is it already rigged?
Because I don't see how we could say it's not well.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
They're trying to rig it with this. This is their
new form. And remember I have a voice. So the
truth is my poll numbers you saw the New York
Times Paul today. My poll numbers are better than they
ever were, probably better than they would have been had,
you know, had this horrible hoax not taken place. And
it's not only here, it's you have Fani in Atlanta,
(09:00):
and you have Jack deranged Jack Smith. He's a deranged individual,
and he's got a problem in Florida because if you
watch and you look at these reports, they caught them
tampering with evidence, and he's got some I think he's
got some problems.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
And he always has that problems.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
You know, he goes too far and he gets himself
into trouble. But he's got big problems here. They caught
him tampering with evidence and worse, Clay.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Every time we interview Trump. We're gonna have more by
the way of our exclusive interview with Trump coming up
later on in the program. But every time, you know,
you ride on the Trump train, the Trump train pretty
much decides where it's going.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Right.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
You can try to ask what the next stop is,
But when he wants to hit his subject he's going there.
He covered so much ground in just that ten minutes
or so.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, I jotted down three things that he said that
I thought were super interesting. Eight hundred and two A
two two eight A two U. He said they're up
by one in New Jersey. That again coming off of
the y Eldwood event that they did in New Jersey,
would be a seismic shock if he's competitive in New Jersey.
(10:07):
Also said that Virginia, New Mexico, Minnesota, and New York
the polls look good. He specifically said something that I
haven't heard, that lee Zelden is going to be a
part of his administration, which the former candidate who almost
who I think what lost by about five to Kathy
Hokeel in twenty two, and that he thinks that lee
Zelden would win the governorship if you were running in
(10:30):
twenty four on Christy Nome. That's a tough story. She
had a bad week. We all have bad weeks. That's
a tough story. In response to the dog thing, very
very funny. And I think that what he just told
you right there that his polls are better because of.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
The court cases we got him. He said it.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
I mean, we've been saying this is what we perceive
to be happening, but for him to come out and
confirm it, and I do think that how could you
not see that as what's going on here? You know, Clay,
if we were to roll the tape back maybe six
months even twelve months ago, well not twelve months and
I'm trying to think when when was the mar A
Lago raid? That was last August, right, so August of
(11:12):
twenty two, But certainly, you know, seven or eight months
ago we could have we would have been able to
say what is the Biden reelection campaign? And the strategy
very obviously as these indictments came down and after the
mar A Lago raid, the strategy very clearly was to
just slam Trump with all these criminal trials. There's no
way anyone can see what's going on right now and
(11:34):
think that that is to this point an effective strategy.
In fact, it looks like it's backfiring on them, which,
as I've said before, I think would be the ultimate
poetic justice. That the abuse of the system they're engaging
in is what in fact puts Trump back back in
the driver's seat. We do it, We have more of
that by the way, it's more content that you will
(11:54):
not have heard more of the exclusive Trump interview playing
that third hour.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Clay, is that right?
Speaker 5 (11:59):
We're going to go into the third hour at the top,
so you got to stick around with us. We got
the other half of that interview coming up in a
little bit. It'll air for the first time of course
here on Clay and Buck. We're also going to take
some of your calls if there's anything that you know
you want to add to our discussion of where Trump is.
I got to say, for a guy who is in
a courtroom facing thirty four felony counts, I know they're
(12:21):
crap and it's absurd and everything. We all know that,
but he's in amazing spirits and I really, you know,
the guy's basically my dad's age, okay. And and when
I think about how much energy and resilience Trump is
bringing to this whole process, I don't want to say
it's superhuman, but it's definitely in the one one thousandth
(12:41):
of one percent.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Well, we talked to him, so right after he got
out of the courtroom yesterday. He can't talk with us
alive on the air because he's typically in courtrooms because
he's a proceeding, Isn't that insane? Yeah, he's sitting in
the courtroom right now, but he said, hey, I want
to make sure I talk to your audience. And so
I was glad we were able to make it happen.
But that's the reality. This is Trump after spending all
day in court yesterday in the middle of what is
(13:05):
this week four, Week five of the Alvin Bragg crazy
court case. So we'll continue to break it down what
stood out, Where are we and more. By the way,
as we roll through the Tuesday edition.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Here in the program, I've got some other analysis of
Trump that we're going to have to dive into. You
see Robert de Niro, he's I think.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
He was on the View? Was it the View he
was on? Yeah? De Niro clays on the View a
little bit crazy. He's going a little bit there. Let
him on. They won't let me on.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
That's well, that's for sure when you hear what's being said.
I don't understand how anyone in good conscience could even
air the kind of idiocy that the View does with
some of these guests. But de Niro's, you know, analysis
of Trump, We're going to get into that coming up
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Speaker 1 (15:14):
Welcome back in hour number three Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
We appreciate all of you, but hanging out with us
for the first couple of hours. If that was you,
and we hope any of you it was the case.
You heard Donald Trump with us in the first hour.
Now you will hear the second part of our interview
with Donald Trump. He's in court right now during our show,
(15:37):
but he wanted to make sure that you all heard
from him, so we talked to him yesterday evening. This
is what it sounded like. I won't make you say it,
but I think you know Biden is behind this, not
Biden himself, because he's not smart enough for mentally competent
enough to be able to organize all of this anymore.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Which leads me into this.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
You know, he's got guys having to help him walk
to the helicopter, as you well know, across the lawn
there he can't read off the teleprompter. You see all
the screw ups on a regular basis. Do you really
think he's gonna be running against you? Do you think
he'll they'll let him debate you, or do you think
they're gonna pull a bait and switch at the last minute.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I mean, I personally don't think so. But I've been
saying that for a while. I personally don't think so.
But you know, you don't think he's gonna run.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
You don't think he's gonna run, Not that they're not
gonna pull a bait and switch, but you don't think
he's able.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
I think at some point he goes out. I think,
so what do I know? You know? I mean, I
can only.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Say that here he is, and he was never the
sharpest bulb in the room ever, and now he's It's
so dangerous for our country. You know, we're dealing with Putin,
We're dealing with President Siev China, Kim Jonglin. We're dealing
with these people that are one hundred percent there at
the top of their game, and they can't believe it.
(16:51):
And this, you know, could lead to Third World War.
This is we still have a little bit more than
five months to go. And actually, if you really look,
I guess September. Towards the end of September, Pennsylvania starts.
And so we're really talking about a lot less than that,
because we really have to think in terms of that
when they start. You know, in the old days would
have a one day election and would have paper ballots
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and would have a lot of good things. Now we
have elections that start forty five days earlier than they're
opposed to, and they keep going. They keep going until
they get enough ballots. This is their form of cheating.
And I have a voice, so I'm able to talk
about it. And you know, it's been I mean, it's
never pleasant doing this.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
But we have to.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
These are fascists. But you know, if they have a
good congressman and they send him a subpoena, he might
as well resign because he doesn't have a chance of
explaining to people to vote for him anymore. So I
have such respect for the American public because they fed
them all this nonsense. It's just garbage. You take a
look at these what they've done. Well, look at this case.
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Look at the way it's playing out. Again, not one
legal expert says they even have a case. There's not
even a crime. And it's a very sad day in America,
and it's a very sad for New York. But you
take a look at Atlanta with Fani and her lover Wade,
and you know that's a whole scam. And Jack Smith's
two cases as a whole scam. The whole thing was
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done because they want to hit Biden's opponent, his political opponent,
to see if.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
They can get him over the line. I don't think
it's going to work.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
I tell you because you saw the crowd in New Jersey.
It may have been the largest crowd ever for a
not just in New Jersey. I mean it was well
over one hundred thousand people. We expected forty five thousand
we had. I mean you guys saw the crowd. Oh yeah,
I don't think you've ever seen a crowd like that.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
At a political event. Yeah, it would be great honor.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
In terms of fixing the country, saving the country story.
You mentioned some of the foreign challenges. I think, and
you know this as well better than anybody. If you're
looking at challenges for America right now, the wide open
Biden border is absolutely top of the list. People are outraged.
It's going to be eight million at least. I mean,
that's going to be the official number by the time
votes are being cast. Eight million of legals under Biden,
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and who knows how many actually in the country. You've
talked about finishing the wall, and you've talked about deportations.
What can you tell us about the first ninety days
of a Trump forty seven presidency on those two issues.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Well, first of all, it's not eight million. It's fifteen
million are already in the country, in my opinion, and
a lot of them come from prisons and jails. They
come from mental institutions, and I go a step beyond that,
from insane asylums. You got a lot of terrorists coming
into the country. Now we're gonna have to deport We're
gonna have a very large scale deportation operation, and nobody wants.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
To do that.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
We have no choice. It's not sustainable by any country.
There's no country that a thing like this is sustainable by.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
You can't you can't have it. I mean, I look
at it.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I'm in New York right now, and you see what's
going on with people. They're taking up You don't have
the use of parks, you don't have the use of
schools and hospitals. It's the whole quality of life in
our country is changing because of this, and nobody can
say it's good politically now. Of course, what they're trying
to do is register people to vote, because that's another
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form of cheating. Also, there are two big forms are
that they're new forms that they're adding into their arsenal
because they're bad at everything. Policy is no good. Look
at Afghanistan, that disaster, the most embarrassing day.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
In the history of the country. Their policy is no good.
They want high ten. You know, if they won, taxes.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Are going to go up by four times, four times
for middle class but four times. And you know, they're
no good at policy. The only thing they're really good
at is cheating. And they have two new methods, and
one is the weaponization, which is what I'm putting up
with in others too. But I'm you know, I'm definitely
I'm the key, there's no question about it. And then
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the other is having to do having to register voters
because they're taking these people who can't speak English, who
don't even know what this country is, and they're registering
them and trying to get them.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Out to vote. And I only am implore.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
The Republicans to be tough because they don't play as
tough a game.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Unfortunately, there's so.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Much better on policy, so much better on so many
but they're not better when it comes to this stuff.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Fellas. It's a terrible thing, terrible.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
You I know no New York City, Well you also
know the Ivy League. Well, because you're a graduate, you
got called an anti Semite, which is unbelievable considering your
daughter is Jewish and you got Jewish grandchildren. Joe Biden
said he ran for president because of Charlottesville, bought into
the very Fine people hoax.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
When you see his.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Failure to stand up for Jewish people and for Israel's
right to defend itself, how sick does it make you
to your stomach? And also how weak is the media
to not remotely be holding him to the same standard
they do for all the country as they did for you.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
For Charlottesville by itself.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
So he is the worst president we've ever had in
the history of our country. But He's the worst president
that Israel has ever had in the United States is
not even a contest.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
He's a horror show.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
And I'm the best president that Israel's ever had. I
mean what I've done for Israel between the Capital and
the Iran nuclear deal by the way, you know, let's
not forget about that. That could have been the best
of all.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
But they didn't do anything with it. You know, they could.
They could have had a deal so fast with Iran.
I would have had a deal.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
You know, Iran was broke when I was president. They
wanted to make a deal. Now Iran is a rich
country again. Iran has two hundred and fifty billion dollars
worth of cash because of the oil and because we
give him six billion dollars every time there's a hostage
trade to end up with six million dollars. We gave
them ten billion dollars for electricity to Iraq.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
But they are rich. They have two hundred and fifty.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Billion dollars in cash right now. It's a tougher negotiation
by a factor of fifty. But I am the best
president ever ever for Israel by far. And he's the
worst president ever. And who would think it?
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Who would think.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
I think it not surprising to us given Biden's history
of failure on the foreign policy front, mister President. But
right in terms of you know, they've walked away from
the Biden economy, you're not hearing about that, you know,
Biden's economy anymore. Inflation still stubborn, people paying high prices.
Why did this happen under this president? And what are
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you going to do to change things around when you win?
Speaker 3 (23:24):
So when he came in, he stopped the oil, and
when he stopped you and now he's let it go
back to where I was, because.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Otherwise he would have you'd have oil.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
It you'd be paying so much for gasoline that people
wouldn't even believe it. But already it's getting close to
four dollars, and in California it's over seven dollars. It's
creeping up very rapidly. But he stopped the oil and
that caused the inflation very simply. And we're going to
bring energy way down. Energy costs are going to be
way down, and places like New England where you have
(23:51):
the highest energy courses, New York, where you have the
highest energy costs in the whole country. By far, I'll
be able to cut their energy bill in half and quickly.
These people, that's what caused it, what they did with
his stupid energy policies. He also made other countries rich.
He made Russia so rich that they said.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Gee, whiz, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
You know a combination of that in Afghanistan where Putin said, wow,
I'm going to go and attack Ukraine. Now you know,
he had oil upt almost one hundred dollars a barrel.
When that happens, Putin makes his money from oil. They
became rich and they attacked, and that's what happened. It's
a sad thing, so sad to see what's happened to
our country in a period of three and a half years.
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But we're gonna make it. We'll make it greater than
ever before. You watch the border. We had the strongest
border ever. I built five hundred and seventy one miles
of war. We're going to add another two hundred and
three weeks. It was all made, all fabricated. They sold
it for five cents on the dollar. The war was
all fabricated. I built much more wall than I said
I was going to build, but we did five hundred
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and seventy one miles, we had the strongest border in history.
We had remained in Mexico. You couldn't come in yet
to say in Mexico, all of these things out the
window when this character came in. And look, he has
no clue what he's doing, but he is surrounded by
very smart fascists and the only thing they know how
to do is stay in power. That's about the only
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thing they're good at. But we're going to beat him
big in five months.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Last question for you.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
We know you're busy keep up the fight at the
trial because you know, I think you're adding more supporters
every single day. I think it's backfired on them. This
is a light question for you. I know you're a
huge sports fan. I don't know if you've got a
chance to see the Tom Brady roast that it aired
on Netflix or any of the segments. Robert Kraft, your
old friend, told Vladimir Putin that he wanted his NFL
(25:45):
Super Bowl ring back. Putin he says, stole it. Have
you ever been roasted like that? Are you surprised that
Tom Brady, who I know you're a big fan of,
took it and would you ever want to do something
like that?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Well, I was roasted on Comedy Central and before I
was long before I was president, actually, and it was
not a pleasant evening.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
I will tell you. They roasted me. They roasted the
hell out of me. But it's fun.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Look it was a good cause, that money went to charity.
A lot of good things happened. But no, I was roasted.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
If you have a look at that one, you'll see
what a roast is all about.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
But when Clay got roasted by the View recently, mister president,
I did know.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
It happens on a daily basis. You know, I was
on Whoopies movie. She made a movie, a basketball movie.
So could you do the movie for me?
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Could you do? Joy behar would she what she would
do for me? She'd do anything.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
All of a sudden, I run for politics and they
pretend like, gee, we hate check out Whoopyes movie. I said,
take me out.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Of your movie. I did a big cameo in Whoopies movie.
You know it's You're.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Still the best part of Home Alone too. By the way,
So for those of.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Us that remember that's a good one. That was a
very good one.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Mister president, we know you got to go and you know,
defeat all the night and win a huge election and
make history again.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Clay and Buck here with you. Thank you so much,
really appreciate your time.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
As always, well, I appreciate you guys. You do a
fantastic job. And we'll talk again soon.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
There you go, Clay.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
That was the second part of our exclusive interview with
President Trump. We covered a lot of ground, which is
one of the great things about sitting down with the
president is you can go on. You can go anywhere
in terms of the conversation. If there's no there's no,
oh the handlers haven't prepped him for that one, or oh,
(27:33):
without a prompter, he doesn't know what to say. You
talk to the guy about your favorite movie from the eighties.
You can talk to him about rock bands. You can
talk to him about staring down Kim Jong un, actually
staring down Kim Jong un. So, yeah, there's a lot
that you could We covered there. I mean, for me,
the biggest the biggest takeaway from this part is, uh,
(27:54):
you know, he says he can't tell about Biden one
way or the other. I think it's gonna be Biden.
I thought that all along, but he admits that that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Clay.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
He says he's going to do major deportations. If he
sticks to that, that's going to be a heck of
a time in America.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
And we've had Stephen Miller on this program a lot,
who would be probably charged with implementing that. He said,
still he doesn't think that Biden's going to be the nominee,
he said, I jotted down the quote. I think at
some point he goes out and then said, obviously what
I think is true. It's dangerous for our country that
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Speaker 5 (30:09):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck here in studio with
us today. Nellie Bowles Gonna talk to us about her
new book, Morning After the Revolution, Dispatches from the Wrong
Side of History. She's here in studio with me. Clay
she is formerly a New York Times correspondent, so she
(30:30):
is a refugee from the communist camp and we have
much to discuss with her, and her book is actually
about this to some degree.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
So let's start with it.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
Oh and we want to talk about the Free Press
as well, which is the media company that you and
Barry Clay Weiss.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yes, Barry Wise.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Has founded with her, and they're both you guys are
married and also founded this company together. It's doing very
very well, Nellie. Let's start with Morning After the Revolution.
So I did read the first there's two chapters. It
was fun because I got this. I got to sit
there and say so the New York Times is as
insane from the inside as me, an outsider who grew
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up in New York City thinks it is.
Speaker 8 (31:13):
Well, first of all, let me just say it's a
pleasure to be here, very nice to see you. I
don't think there are enough American flags around me in
this studio.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
There are many American flags.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
There need to be more.
Speaker 8 (31:23):
There's some mall space that doesn't have an American flag
on it.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (31:28):
So I wrote the book as really an insider in
prestige media. I think that what was going on at
the New York Times, which anyone from the outside can
obviously see what's happening inside, more or less, I think
what was going on there is also going on within NPR,
within half a dozen of the prestige media brands. And
(31:48):
it's basically a movement to say, don't report on anything
that isn't beneficial, specifically to the Democratic Party and to
our sort of politics of the day. And that's just
a really boring way to be a writer. Like, that's
not a way, it's not fun.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
You can't be curious. And you're seeing now.
Speaker 8 (32:10):
I don't know if you saw last week the editor
in chief of The New York Times came out and said,
in a major earth chattering statement, the New York Times
is not in the business of helping promote Joe Biden,
and we need to stop that sort of.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Advotation advocacy journal. And I think the fact that he.
Speaker 8 (32:29):
Needed to say it is unbelievable, but it's amazing that
he needed to make the statement. It was, of course
controversial that he made it. But yeah, so it's a
book about the last few years, which I think we
all can see everyone went a little crazy and now
is starting to come to their senses.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Way, it's like she takes a little surveillance camera and
we get to know what it's like inside the writing
of the daily Communist Manifesto over in Times Square.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
So, well, look, I'm a long time New York Times subscriber.
I subscribe to the Washington Post, I subscribe to the
Wall Street Journal. I read everything, as you have to
do when you're doing a show like this, to try
to familiarize yourself with all arguments. So I have a
couple of questions and I'm curious if you address them
in the book, And thanks for coming in studio with
us in New York where.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Buck is right now.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
So one, is Trump in your mind a cause of this?
Or is he merely a symptom and he's not really
the cause? I'm curious how you would assess that. That's
second part of this, Yeah, second part of this, because
I don't know the answer, and I think it's a
great debate. Second part of this, how much of it
do you think is subscription based? In other words, instead
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of having an advertiser business, which is you want as
many people as possible to read the paper. Now you're
basically selling to the diehards, which is a different business model.
Those are two questions. I don't know what your answer
would be, but I'm curious how you would assess them.
Speaker 8 (33:53):
Those are both great questions I try to wrestle with
in the book. I think if you look at how
The New York Times is doing it a business, it's
doing great. Yeah, and that's because, as like you said,
as it pivoted from being an advertiser business, where Macy's
and Clorox just want maximum eyes, they don't necessarily and
(34:14):
they actually really don't want it to just be limited
to this political group or that political group. So you're
incentivized to serve a broader audience. But as it pivots
to a subscription business, the logical thing to do is
to serve those subscribers. And what those subscribers want is
red meat. They want to be told every single day
(34:34):
the same bad things about Trump. Things that it's not
like it's lies necessarily, other than like lies of omission.
Sometimes there's lies. But they want to be given the
red meat of anti Trump content every day, and they
want the paper to be their sword in the world,
to be there, to be their soldier out there fighting
(34:55):
for them. And that's what they're paying for the subscription.
And the Times courted that with the advertised model and
with with their with not the advertising model, with the
advertising campaigns around framing themselves as the subscriber's sword in
the world.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
Now, as for did Trump and his.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Rise, did he break them?
Speaker 5 (35:15):
This is what we talked about emotionally.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Did he emotionally break them or is it just the
last straw.
Speaker 6 (35:22):
I'm going to go on the side of Yeah, I
think Trump.
Speaker 8 (35:26):
Emotionally broke them a little bit. I think his wildness
and his lack of like traditional decorum made it so
the Democrats became a little wild and lost their sense
of traditional decorum. Because if you think about all the
old values of the old journalists and things, it's it's
a lot of it is like a manners and decorum
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and sort of like this is how we like to act,
and this.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
Is what we like to you know.
Speaker 8 (35:52):
The idea of objectivity is an aspiration.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
Yeah, And so then you've got the Times death reacting.
Speaker 8 (36:01):
You have the whole liberal intelligentsia definitely reacting. I don't
think that's an excuse, though. I don't think you can say, oh,
I just got a note saying, no cursing.
Speaker 9 (36:15):
No, it's okay, it's just we're on broadcast radio. I wish,
I wish we could just let you let it fly.
But unfortunately there are there are limitations. There are limitations. Look,
we were talking, we were talking to Trump last night.
He's he's a He's Trump. You can't even really begin
to describe it. I think at this point it's fair
to say he's the most famous person on the planet.
He's the most polarizing person in the United States of
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any real magnitude politically, and so the question as to
whether or not he broke them up, I could say this,
I grew up here in New York City. My family
were New York Times subscribers.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Growing up.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Most of the people that grew that were around me,
I think, have grown up to be bid in voting Obama,
voting Democrats, et cetera. And it's very clear though that
even they wreck what you said about the creation of
the New York Times or the perception of the New
York Times as the sword in the world for the left.
Trump there was like an explicit shift right of now
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the truth is anti Trump, therefore anti Trump is the truth,
and that changed.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I think that we saw that, The Washington Post saw that,
The New York Times.
Speaker 8 (37:19):
We saw that NBR came out proudly and said, we're
not covering the Hunter Biden.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Right because that would help the enemy.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
Effectively, we're proudly we're speaking to Nelly Balls or book
by the Way, Morning After the Revolution, Dispatches from the
Wrong Side of History, And I just say, our producer
Ali Clay read the entire thing. We get books, We
get books and top books, the top books, we get
like books for people I've never heard of before, books
and foreign languages, like we got books everywhere here for
(37:47):
one of our producers to go and read it cover
to cover and then make sure that Nelly comes on
I think says something about what's in it.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I just want to pose this one to you, Nelly.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
For me.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Actually, it felt like the Tom Cotton op ed was.
I know a lot of people felt this way a
turning point. A sitting senator making an argument on the
editorial page is unacceptable to the rest of the tribe.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
So to speak inside the Times. How did that play out?
Speaker 8 (38:14):
I think, I mean, at this point we've all read
a lot about how that played out, and how it
played out was basically internally within the Times, every good
reporter had to get together and tweet the same tweet.
We were all supposed to tweet that this op ed
puts our black colleagues in danger, that a sitting senator
saying to call in cops, to call in the National
(38:37):
Guard to quell some of the riots puts our colleagues
somehow in danger. And if you didn't post that message,
you were on the wrong side, and you would start
people would notice, they reach out. Yeah, And so I
was never canceled. I'm not here like with a tiny
(38:57):
violin complaining like our life is great of the free press,
like things are fabulous. But at the time when I
was there as a staffer, when I didn't post the
tweet and try to cancel that the young editor who
was behind that op ed, or was one of the
editors behind it, that was kind of my end of
(39:18):
my time there. It was sort of the line drawn
in the sand by the movement, and it said you
have to post something irrational, you have to post something
that we all kind of know is a lie. The
op ed doesn't put lives in danger, but you have
to do that and if you don't, then you're clearly
not with us. So and that's not coming from the
(39:38):
top down. That's coming bottom up. And I think a
lot of what we're seeing in these companies and in
universities too right now, with what's going on campus, it's
bottom up, and then the leadership crumbles to it. So obviously,
then the editor, the opinion section editor at the Times,
after that piece, Ran.
Speaker 6 (39:56):
Had to resign. Was basically fucking a forced resignation.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Nellie's beauty also the last question for you.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
I encourage everybody to go check it out and also
check out the Free Press.
Speaker 6 (40:06):
Let me tell you to check out the Free Press.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Having read this book, I did a little bit of
player managing myself when I ran out Kick and then
I sold it to Fox. I'm curious for you to
analyze what you think the future is of news and journalism.
I'm sure you thought about it a lot as you
wrote the book. You're having a lot of success at
the Free Press, which is a subscriber based platform. You're
a player manager. I would imagine in some ways along
(40:31):
with your wife and trying to manage this new era
of journalism and news. Are you optimistic that we come
through the Trump era, however it ends, and news is
in a better place. Or do you think we fragmented
and blown up to such an extent that everybody just
goes and finds their shard of reality and there is
(40:51):
no sort of cohesive news industry anymore.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Where are we going?
Speaker 8 (40:55):
I think the new world of media upstarts is obviously
so exciting guys like real players who are coming up
to push against the legacy press and to have the
old values but in slightly new formats. What are we
at the Free Press. We're a newsletter that's now a website,
we have a podcast. We're not doing anything revolutionary in
(41:16):
terms of form. What's revolutionary is we're doing old fashioned
journalism with the skill sets and the values of the
old world, but the freedom and curiosity of the new.
And I'm really optimistic about us, obviously, but others too.
I'm optimistic about a bunch of new media up starts.
And then what in my dream world happens is then
(41:40):
all of these upstarts start to pressure the legacy media
to be more honest, to get better, to improve itself,
and so hopefully the free press ends up making The
New York Times a better place and making NPR a
better place. Hopefully it makes a better ecosystem, a more
honest one. I think no one wants to be lied to,
and no one wants even your political adversaries, no one
(42:01):
wants them fed lies.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
I'm excited about the future as well. This is great.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
I'm going to read the book. To bucks point Ally's point,
we get a lot of books. I'm very fascinated to
read yours. Keep up the good work. Congrats on the
book coming out, and hopefully we'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 6 (42:15):
Thank you so much for having me on your producers.
A very smart woman.
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We are going to play our Donald Trump interview for you.
The rest of it at the top of the next hour,
so a little over ten minutes from now. We talked
with Trump last night. He's obviously in the courtroom right now.
During the course of our I'm sure we'll have him
on several times between now and the election. In fact,
(44:05):
we'll talk about that a little bit with him during
the course of the conversation that you're about to hear.
But also, if you're out in your car right now,
let's say you just got in, you're like, okay, good,
I want to hear Trump on with the guys you are,
But also the first half has played. We played that
in the first hour. It will be up on the podcast.
So if you just want to hear Trump for the
twenty some odd minutes that he spent with us, uh,
(44:28):
we'll put that together and it will be up as
a part of the Clay and Buck podcast. You'll be
able to go listen to that there thanks Toanelli Bowls.
By the way, I'm going to read that book too.
Morning after the Revolution, you and I were talking about
how more competition in media is good overall, we think
for an industry that is quite frankly broken in many ways.
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And we want to say also Michael Mason, video guru
a lot of you watch this radio show on video
now Michael Mayson and gets the video clips out. He
works fantastic for us getting married today in Maui. I've
still never been to Hawaii. Have you been to Hawaii?
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in Maui want honestly one of the most beautiful places
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I would argue.
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Michael is getting married to his fiance, Chelsea, who is
we are told is fantastic. So congratulations to Michael and
Chelsea on their wedding day.
Speaker 5 (45:27):
They're very cute couple, the two of them, and they
also have an adorable Boston Terrier. So that's near and
dear to my heart because I grew up with the
Boston Terrier. But so Michael and Chelsea. God bless congratulations
and many decades of health, happiness and love ahead of you.
And Michael, thank you for all the great work you
do on the show.
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we have more with President Trump here. You have not
heard this if you're listening to right now. This has
not aired before. It is our interview with President Trump.
We talked to him for a while last night, hanging
out with Big Tea himself, and we're gonna bring you
the latest. He talks about the border wide open border,
(47:51):
what's he going to do about securing it, about the wall,
about deportations, We get into that and much more. Also,
does he think Biden? Clay asked him, does he think
Biden's even going to be his opponent? That's all coming up.
Trump stick around
Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. We've got a
very special guest for all of you. President Trump forty five,
soon to be forty seven, taped with us yesterday evening
because he is presently in court dealing with the ridiculous
(00:22):
trial that has been brought against him by Alvin Bragg,
Joe Biden and company.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
So he's in a.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Courtroom right now, but he wanted to make sure he
could talk with all of you. We're going to play
right now half of the interview right off the top
of the show here, and then we're going to play
the second half of the interview in the third hour.
But President Trump wanted to make sure that he could
speak with all of you, and we talked to him
yesterday evening. It begins now, we were blown away by
(00:50):
the crowd that you had in Wildwood, New Jersey. A
guy I think you know, Mark Simone, said that he
thinks you can win New York your campaign, we know,
said Virginia and Minnesota are both competitive. Based on the
reaction you're getting in New York and New Jersey, do
you think you can make a run in that area.
(01:10):
In New York in particular.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Well, they say, we're in play. And the beautiful thing
about New York. You win New York, that takes their
cheating out of play because they won't be able to
will any state that they win by cheating will more
than make up for it with New York and New Jersey.
So we have great polls. We were one up in
New Jersey. We're very close to New York, you know,
outside of the actual city, which now is so bad
(01:35):
that I look, if I live here, I'm going to
vote for the Republican no matter who. And Trump is
sort of the good Republican. But you know, Lee's Eldon
is a great guy. He's solely supportive of us. He's
if he would have been running today instead of two
years ago, he would have picked up a ten point difference.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
He he won close, but it would have been ten
points better. And I think New York is in play.
I think Virginia, I think that New Mexico and Minnesota.
I think there are a lot of states in play
that people aren't thinking about. They're so dissatisfied with the
worst president in the.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
History of our country.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
He's the worst Look, I don't have to convince you
people you know better than me. He's two of the
people that might know better than me. He is the
worst president in the history of our country.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Without there's no question, no question about that. I mean,
you were speaking about a great guy, Lee Zelden. A
lot of speculation right now, mister President, about who your
VP might be. Now, if you want to tell us
who it is now, we're not going to stop you.
But if you just maybe want to give us a
top three.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
A top three, well I won't do three, but I
will say we have a lot of good people, and
you know, Lee will definitely be somewhere in here in
terms of the administration.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
He's great. You know, he's a great lawyer too.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
He's actually a very he was fantastic on the impeachment
hoax when he was a congressman. And he'll be coming
with me in some form anyway, at a high level.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
But Tim, Tim Scott in play, JD.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Advance in play are these are all names, the names
that are being talked about sort.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Of like a lot of people are in play.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
And I'm really a believer that you do it during
the convention, you know, you really do it during the convention.
I'm also, unfortunately a believer that historically vps I don't
think ever have helped. I think they can hurt a
little bit, but they haven't helped. It's you know, you
have one exciting day and then you're back to the
president is running. But you need somebody that can be
(03:27):
good just in case that that horrible, just in case.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
You know, look, that's a big situation. You have to
go with it, but just.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
In case, and you need somebody that can ideally help
you get the votes. But I will say the single
most important ingredient is will that person be a great president?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
That's a very important thing.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I'm sure you've seen some of the Christy Nome stories.
You might be the only person getting worse pressed than
you on the left right now with the dog shooting
story and then the Kim Jong un story, you met
Kim Jong un, I'm curious what that relationship is like.
Now does any of that story? Is she still in
the mix as a VP? Have you thought maybe she'd
(04:07):
make more sense in a cabinet? How do you analyze
stories like that as you go about making a choice.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Well, until this week, she was doing incredibly well, and
she got hit hard. And sometimes you do books and
you have some guy writing a book and you maybe
don't read it as carefully. You know, you have ghostwriters too.
They help you, and they in this case didn't help
too much. Now she's terrific. Look, she's been a supporter
of mine from day once. She did a great job
(04:33):
of governor as governor, and you know, you look at
South Dakota numbers, she's really done a great job. And
in some form, I mean, I think she's terrific. A
couple of rough stories, there's no question about it. And
when explained the dog story, you know, people hear that
and people from different parts of the country probably feel
(04:54):
a little bit differently. But that's a tough story. But
she's a terrific person. She'd uh, she had a bad
she had a bad week.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Well have if I can, if I can miss a president,
And we're speaking to number forty five, President Trump, and
as Clay said, future number forty seven, Uh, sir, this
so far, this Coen trial, I'm sorry, this New York
City trial where Michael Cohen testified. It would be hard
to think of something that is both more absurd and
more more outrageous than what they're doing to you in
(05:27):
New York, but it doesn't seem to be working. I
just wanted to give you the chance to address everyone
across the country. It seems like this is backfiring in
the Democrats faces of the Biden prosecution.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
It's one of the most disgusting things that anybody's ever
seen in the history of our country. In terms of elections.
It's third world country. What they've done is weaponize the
DOJ the FBI, They've weaponized and you could see it
coming with these people. They are truly the ones. They
are bad for democracy. You know, they like to say
a threat to democracy.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
They are a threat.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
And part of it is that we have a president
that's totally you know, incompetent, but they are so bad
what they're doing with this this hoax. And you know,
I have a gag order where many very important parts.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Of it I'm not allowed because we have a totally
corrupt we have a corrupt judge and.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
A conflicted judge. He's conflicted like no judge has ever
been before. And the mainstream media knows exactly what I'm saying,
but they try and keep it down to a minor roar.
No highly conflicted, and this is a case that should
have never been allowed. You know, Alvin Bragg, the DA,
who's a terrible DA. Crime is rampant, I mean violent
(06:41):
crime is all over the city at levels, I mean
levels that people have never seen before. And he's got
like twenty guys sitting in their assistant das over absolutely
what Jonathan Turley, what Andy McCarthy, what Mark Livin, all
your friends, what every one of them said, is not
a crime.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
There's not a case. And I've been.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Sitting there for almost four weeks in this icebox, I
call it the icebox, and in front of a judge.
It's so highly conflicted. He should not be allowed to
be doing this trial.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
And it's so bad for New York.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
But I had two other cases too, I had Judge
Kaplan and Judge and Goren, and they should they should
not be allowed to even serve when you see what
they did. So I've been set up with bad judges.
It's so bad for New York. It's so horrible for
New York what's taking place. But this one is going
on and literally every scholar, every legal expert, and you guys,
(07:38):
but everybody has said that this is a case that
shouldn't happen. Alvin Bragg, you know, when he originally came
in said there's no way you have a case here.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
He got angry.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
And then when the election, you know, they could have
brought this case seven years ago. They could have brought
it seven years ago, but they chose to bring it
right in the middle of my campaign. Nobody's ever seen
anything like it. There's no crime. I mean Mark Levin
was doing last night his show is great, and he
was going, there is no crime, and he's giving you
fifteen reasons why it's terrible.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
It's a terrible, terrible thing.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
But when you look at McCarthy and Turley and Greg Jared,
who's fantastic, You look at all of these people and
they all say the same thing. It's I mean, I
haven't seen anybody that says it's even a case.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
But I'm not allowed to speak. Can you believe I'm gagged?
They gave me a.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Gag order where I'm not allowed to speak about major
portions of the case.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Is this election already ribbed?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Sir?
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Given what they're doing to you, Is it already rigged?
Because I don't see how we could say it's not well.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
They're trying to rig it with this. This is their
new form. And remember I have a voice. So the
truth is my poll numbers you saw the New York
Times Paul today. My poll numbers are better than they
ever were, probably better than they would have been had,
you know, had this horrible hoax not taken place. And
it's not only here, it's you have Fani in Atlanta,
(09:00):
and you have Jack deranged Jack Smith. He's a deranged individual,
and he's got a problem in Florida because if you
watch and you look at these reports, they caught them
tampering with evidence, and he's got some I think he's
got some problems.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
And he always has that problems.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
You know, he goes too far and he gets himself
into trouble. But he's got big problems here. They caught
him tampering with evidence and worse, Clay.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Every time we interview Trump. We're gonna have more by
the way of our exclusive interview with Trump coming up
later on in the program. But every time, you know,
you ride on the Trump train, the Trump train pretty
much decides where it's going.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Right.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
You can try to ask what the next stop is,
But when he wants to hit his subject he's going there.
He covered so much ground in just that ten minutes
or so.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, I jotted down three things that he said that
I thought were super interesting. Eight hundred and two A
two two eight A two U. He said they're up
by one in New Jersey. That again coming off of
the y Eldwood event that they did in New Jersey,
would be a seismic shock if he's competitive in New Jersey.
(10:07):
Also said that Virginia, New Mexico, Minnesota, and New York
the polls look good. He specifically said something that I
haven't heard, that lee Zelden is going to be a
part of his administration, which the former candidate who almost
who I think what lost by about five to Kathy
Hokeel in twenty two, and that he thinks that lee
Zelden would win the governorship if you were running in
(10:30):
twenty four on Christy Nome. That's a tough story. She
had a bad week. We all have bad weeks. That's
a tough story. In response to the dog thing, very
very funny. And I think that what he just told
you right there that his polls are better because of.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
The court cases we got him. He said it.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
I mean, we've been saying this is what we perceive
to be happening, but for him to come out and
confirm it, and I do think that how could you
not see that as what's going on here? You know, Clay,
if we were to roll the tape back maybe six
months even twelve months ago, well not twelve months and
I'm trying to think when when was the mar A
Lago raid? That was last August, right, so August of
(11:12):
twenty two, But certainly, you know, seven or eight months
ago we could have we would have been able to
say what is the Biden reelection campaign? And the strategy
very obviously as these indictments came down and after the
mar A Lago raid, the strategy very clearly was to
just slam Trump with all these criminal trials. There's no
way anyone can see what's going on right now and
(11:34):
think that that is to this point an effective strategy.
In fact, it looks like it's backfiring on them, which,
as I've said before, I think would be the ultimate
poetic justice. That the abuse of the system they're engaging
in is what in fact puts Trump back back in
the driver's seat. We do it, We have more of
that by the way, it's more content that you will
(11:54):
not have heard more of the exclusive Trump interview playing
that third hour.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Clay, is that right?
Speaker 5 (11:59):
We're going to go into the third hour at the top,
so you got to stick around with us. We got
the other half of that interview coming up in a
little bit. It'll air for the first time of course
here on Clay and Buck. We're also going to take
some of your calls if there's anything that you know
you want to add to our discussion of where Trump is.
I got to say, for a guy who is in
a courtroom facing thirty four felony counts, I know they're
(12:21):
crap and it's absurd and everything. We all know that,
but he's in amazing spirits and I really, you know,
the guy's basically my dad's age, okay. And and when
I think about how much energy and resilience Trump is
bringing to this whole process, I don't want to say
it's superhuman, but it's definitely in the one one thousandth
(12:41):
of one percent.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Well, we talked to him, so right after he got
out of the courtroom yesterday. He can't talk with us
alive on the air because he's typically in courtrooms because
he's a proceeding, Isn't that insane? Yeah, he's sitting in
the courtroom right now, but he said, hey, I want
to make sure I talk to your audience. And so
I was glad we were able to make it happen.
But that's the reality. This is Trump after spending all
day in court yesterday in the middle of what is
(13:05):
this week four, Week five of the Alvin Bragg crazy
court case. So we'll continue to break it down what
stood out, Where are we and more. By the way,
as we roll through the Tuesday edition.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Here in the program, I've got some other analysis of
Trump that we're going to have to dive into. You
see Robert de Niro, he's I think.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
He was on the View? Was it the View he
was on? Yeah? De Niro clays on the View a
little bit crazy. He's going a little bit there. Let
him on. They won't let me on.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
That's well, that's for sure when you hear what's being said.
I don't understand how anyone in good conscience could even
air the kind of idiocy that the View does with
some of these guests. But de Niro's, you know, analysis
of Trump, We're going to get into that coming up
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Speaker 1 (15:14):
Welcome back in hour number three Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
We appreciate all of you, but hanging out with us
for the first couple of hours. If that was you,
and we hope any of you it was the case.
You heard Donald Trump with us in the first hour.
Now you will hear the second part of our interview
with Donald Trump. He's in court right now during our show,
(15:37):
but he wanted to make sure that you all heard
from him, so we talked to him yesterday evening. This
is what it sounded like. I won't make you say it,
but I think you know Biden is behind this, not
Biden himself, because he's not smart enough for mentally competent
enough to be able to organize all of this anymore.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Which leads me into this.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
You know, he's got guys having to help him walk
to the helicopter, as you well know, across the lawn
there he can't read off the teleprompter. You see all
the screw ups on a regular basis. Do you really
think he's gonna be running against you? Do you think
he'll they'll let him debate you, or do you think
they're gonna pull a bait and switch at the last minute.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I mean, I personally don't think so. But I've been
saying that for a while. I personally don't think so.
But you know, you don't think he's gonna run.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
You don't think he's gonna run, Not that they're not
gonna pull a bait and switch, but you don't think
he's able.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
I think at some point he goes out. I think,
so what do I know? You know? I mean, I
can only.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Say that here he is, and he was never the
sharpest bulb in the room ever, and now he's It's
so dangerous for our country. You know, we're dealing with Putin,
We're dealing with President Siev China, Kim Jonglin. We're dealing
with these people that are one hundred percent there at
the top of their game, and they can't believe it.
(16:51):
And this, you know, could lead to Third World War.
This is we still have a little bit more than
five months to go. And actually, if you really look,
I guess September. Towards the end of September, Pennsylvania starts.
And so we're really talking about a lot less than that,
because we really have to think in terms of that
when they start. You know, in the old days would
have a one day election and would have paper ballots
(17:11):
and would have a lot of good things. Now we
have elections that start forty five days earlier than they're
opposed to, and they keep going. They keep going until
they get enough ballots. This is their form of cheating.
And I have a voice, so I'm able to talk
about it. And you know, it's been I mean, it's
never pleasant doing this.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
But we have to.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
These are fascists. But you know, if they have a
good congressman and they send him a subpoena, he might
as well resign because he doesn't have a chance of
explaining to people to vote for him anymore. So I
have such respect for the American public because they fed
them all this nonsense. It's just garbage. You take a
look at these what they've done. Well, look at this case.
(17:50):
Look at the way it's playing out. Again, not one
legal expert says they even have a case. There's not
even a crime. And it's a very sad day in America,
and it's a very sad for New York. But you
take a look at Atlanta with Fani and her lover Wade,
and you know that's a whole scam. And Jack Smith's
two cases as a whole scam. The whole thing was
(18:12):
done because they want to hit Biden's opponent, his political opponent,
to see if.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
They can get him over the line. I don't think
it's going to work.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
I tell you because you saw the crowd in New Jersey.
It may have been the largest crowd ever for a
not just in New Jersey. I mean it was well
over one hundred thousand people. We expected forty five thousand
we had. I mean you guys saw the crowd. Oh yeah,
I don't think you've ever seen a crowd like that.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
At a political event. Yeah, it would be great honor.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
In terms of fixing the country, saving the country story.
You mentioned some of the foreign challenges. I think, and
you know this as well better than anybody. If you're
looking at challenges for America right now, the wide open
Biden border is absolutely top of the list. People are outraged.
It's going to be eight million at least. I mean,
that's going to be the official number by the time
votes are being cast. Eight million of legals under Biden,
(19:00):
and who knows how many actually in the country. You've
talked about finishing the wall, and you've talked about deportations.
What can you tell us about the first ninety days
of a Trump forty seven presidency on those two issues.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Well, first of all, it's not eight million. It's fifteen
million are already in the country, in my opinion, and
a lot of them come from prisons and jails. They
come from mental institutions, and I go a step beyond that,
from insane asylums. You got a lot of terrorists coming
into the country. Now we're gonna have to deport We're
gonna have a very large scale deportation operation, and nobody wants.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
To do that.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
We have no choice. It's not sustainable by any country.
There's no country that a thing like this is sustainable by.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
You can't you can't have it. I mean, I look
at it.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I'm in New York right now, and you see what's
going on with people. They're taking up You don't have
the use of parks, you don't have the use of
schools and hospitals. It's the whole quality of life in
our country is changing because of this, and nobody can
say it's good politically now. Of course, what they're trying
to do is register people to vote, because that's another
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form of cheating. Also, there are two big forms are
that they're new forms that they're adding into their arsenal
because they're bad at everything. Policy is no good. Look
at Afghanistan, that disaster, the most embarrassing day.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
In the history of the country. Their policy is no good.
They want high ten. You know, if they won, taxes.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Are going to go up by four times, four times
for middle class but four times. And you know, they're
no good at policy. The only thing they're really good
at is cheating. And they have two new methods, and
one is the weaponization, which is what I'm putting up
with in others too. But I'm you know, I'm definitely
I'm the key, there's no question about it. And then
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the other is having to do having to register voters
because they're taking these people who can't speak English, who
don't even know what this country is, and they're registering
them and trying to get them.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Out to vote. And I only am implore.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
The Republicans to be tough because they don't play as
tough a game.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Unfortunately, there's so.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Much better on policy, so much better on so many
but they're not better when it comes to this stuff.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Fellas. It's a terrible thing, terrible.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
You I know no New York City, Well you also
know the Ivy League. Well, because you're a graduate, you
got called an anti Semite, which is unbelievable considering your
daughter is Jewish and you got Jewish grandchildren. Joe Biden
said he ran for president because of Charlottesville, bought into
the very Fine people hoax.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
When you see his.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Failure to stand up for Jewish people and for Israel's
right to defend itself, how sick does it make you
to your stomach? And also how weak is the media
to not remotely be holding him to the same standard
they do for all the country as they did for you.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
For Charlottesville by itself.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
So he is the worst president we've ever had in
the history of our country. But He's the worst president
that Israel has ever had in the United States is
not even a contest.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
He's a horror show.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
And I'm the best president that Israel's ever had. I
mean what I've done for Israel between the Capital and
the Iran nuclear deal by the way, you know, let's
not forget about that. That could have been the best
of all.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
But they didn't do anything with it. You know, they could.
They could have had a deal so fast with Iran.
I would have had a deal.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
You know, Iran was broke when I was president. They
wanted to make a deal. Now Iran is a rich
country again. Iran has two hundred and fifty billion dollars
worth of cash because of the oil and because we
give him six billion dollars every time there's a hostage
trade to end up with six million dollars. We gave
them ten billion dollars for electricity to Iraq.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
But they are rich. They have two hundred and fifty.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Billion dollars in cash right now. It's a tougher negotiation
by a factor of fifty. But I am the best
president ever ever for Israel by far. And he's the
worst president ever. And who would think it?
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Who would think.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
I think it not surprising to us given Biden's history
of failure on the foreign policy front, mister President. But
right in terms of you know, they've walked away from
the Biden economy, you're not hearing about that, you know,
Biden's economy anymore. Inflation still stubborn, people paying high prices.
Why did this happen under this president? And what are
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you going to do to change things around when you win?
Speaker 3 (23:24):
So when he came in, he stopped the oil, and
when he stopped you and now he's let it go
back to where I was, because.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Otherwise he would have you'd have oil.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
It you'd be paying so much for gasoline that people
wouldn't even believe it. But already it's getting close to
four dollars, and in California it's over seven dollars. It's
creeping up very rapidly. But he stopped the oil and
that caused the inflation very simply. And we're going to
bring energy way down. Energy costs are going to be
way down, and places like New England where you have
(23:51):
the highest energy courses, New York, where you have the
highest energy costs in the whole country. By far, I'll
be able to cut their energy bill in half and quickly.
These people, that's what caused it, what they did with
his stupid energy policies. He also made other countries rich.
He made Russia so rich that they said.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Gee, whiz, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
You know a combination of that in Afghanistan where Putin said, wow,
I'm going to go and attack Ukraine. Now you know,
he had oil upt almost one hundred dollars a barrel.
When that happens, Putin makes his money from oil. They
became rich and they attacked, and that's what happened. It's
a sad thing, so sad to see what's happened to
our country in a period of three and a half years.
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But we're gonna make it. We'll make it greater than
ever before. You watch the border. We had the strongest
border ever. I built five hundred and seventy one miles
of war. We're going to add another two hundred and
three weeks. It was all made, all fabricated. They sold
it for five cents on the dollar. The war was
all fabricated. I built much more wall than I said
I was going to build, but we did five hundred
(24:55):
and seventy one miles, we had the strongest border in history.
We had remained in Mexico. You couldn't come in yet
to say in Mexico, all of these things out the
window when this character came in. And look, he has
no clue what he's doing, but he is surrounded by
very smart fascists and the only thing they know how
to do is stay in power. That's about the only
(25:16):
thing they're good at. But we're going to beat him
big in five months.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Last question for you.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
We know you're busy keep up the fight at the
trial because you know, I think you're adding more supporters
every single day. I think it's backfired on them. This
is a light question for you. I know you're a
huge sports fan. I don't know if you've got a
chance to see the Tom Brady roast that it aired
on Netflix or any of the segments. Robert Kraft, your
old friend, told Vladimir Putin that he wanted his NFL
(25:45):
Super Bowl ring back. Putin he says, stole it. Have
you ever been roasted like that? Are you surprised that
Tom Brady, who I know you're a big fan of,
took it and would you ever want to do something
like that?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Well, I was roasted on Comedy Central and before I
was long before I was president, actually, and it was
not a pleasant evening.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
I will tell you. They roasted me. They roasted the
hell out of me. But it's fun.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Look it was a good cause, that money went to charity.
A lot of good things happened. But no, I was roasted.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
If you have a look at that one, you'll see
what a roast is all about.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
But when Clay got roasted by the View recently, mister president,
I did know.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
It happens on a daily basis. You know, I was
on Whoopies movie. She made a movie, a basketball movie.
So could you do the movie for me?
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Could you do? Joy behar would she what she would
do for me? She'd do anything.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
All of a sudden, I run for politics and they
pretend like, gee, we hate check out Whoopyes movie. I said,
take me out.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Of your movie. I did a big cameo in Whoopies movie.
You know it's You're.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Still the best part of Home Alone too. By the way,
So for those of.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Us that remember that's a good one. That was a
very good one.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Mister president, we know you got to go and you know,
defeat all the night and win a huge election and
make history again.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Clay and Buck here with you. Thank you so much,
really appreciate your time.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
As always, well, I appreciate you guys. You do a
fantastic job. And we'll talk again soon.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
There you go, Clay.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
That was the second part of our exclusive interview with
President Trump. We covered a lot of ground, which is
one of the great things about sitting down with the
president is you can go on. You can go anywhere
in terms of the conversation. If there's no there's no,
oh the handlers haven't prepped him for that one, or oh,
(27:33):
without a prompter, he doesn't know what to say. You
talk to the guy about your favorite movie from the eighties.
You can talk to him about rock bands. You can
talk to him about staring down Kim Jong un, actually
staring down Kim Jong un. So, yeah, there's a lot
that you could We covered there. I mean, for me,
the biggest the biggest takeaway from this part is, uh,
(27:54):
you know, he says he can't tell about Biden one
way or the other. I think it's gonna be Biden.
I thought that all along, but he admits that that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Clay.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
He says he's going to do major deportations. If he
sticks to that, that's going to be a heck of
a time in America.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
And we've had Stephen Miller on this program a lot,
who would be probably charged with implementing that. He said,
still he doesn't think that Biden's going to be the nominee,
he said, I jotted down the quote. I think at
some point he goes out and then said, obviously what
I think is true. It's dangerous for our country that
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Speaker 5 (30:09):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck here in studio with
us today. Nellie Bowles Gonna talk to us about her
new book, Morning After the Revolution, Dispatches from the Wrong
Side of History. She's here in studio with me. Clay
she is formerly a New York Times correspondent, so she
(30:30):
is a refugee from the communist camp and we have
much to discuss with her, and her book is actually
about this to some degree.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
So let's start with it.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
Oh and we want to talk about the Free Press
as well, which is the media company that you and
Barry Clay Weiss.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yes, Barry Wise.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Has founded with her, and they're both you guys are
married and also founded this company together. It's doing very
very well, Nellie. Let's start with Morning After the Revolution.
So I did read the first there's two chapters. It
was fun because I got this. I got to sit
there and say so the New York Times is as
insane from the inside as me, an outsider who grew
(31:11):
up in New York City thinks it is.
Speaker 8 (31:13):
Well, first of all, let me just say it's a
pleasure to be here, very nice to see you. I
don't think there are enough American flags around me in
this studio.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
There are many American flags.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
There need to be more.
Speaker 8 (31:23):
There's some mall space that doesn't have an American flag
on it.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (31:28):
So I wrote the book as really an insider in
prestige media. I think that what was going on at
the New York Times, which anyone from the outside can
obviously see what's happening inside, more or less, I think
what was going on there is also going on within NPR,
within half a dozen of the prestige media brands. And
(31:48):
it's basically a movement to say, don't report on anything
that isn't beneficial, specifically to the Democratic Party and to
our sort of politics of the day. And that's just
a really boring way to be a writer. Like, that's
not a way, it's not fun.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
You can't be curious. And you're seeing now.
Speaker 8 (32:10):
I don't know if you saw last week the editor
in chief of The New York Times came out and said,
in a major earth chattering statement, the New York Times
is not in the business of helping promote Joe Biden,
and we need to stop that sort of.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Advotation advocacy journal. And I think the fact that he.
Speaker 8 (32:29):
Needed to say it is unbelievable, but it's amazing that
he needed to make the statement. It was, of course
controversial that he made it. But yeah, so it's a
book about the last few years, which I think we
all can see everyone went a little crazy and now
is starting to come to their senses.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Way, it's like she takes a little surveillance camera and
we get to know what it's like inside the writing
of the daily Communist Manifesto over in Times Square.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
So, well, look, I'm a long time New York Times subscriber.
I subscribe to the Washington Post, I subscribe to the
Wall Street Journal. I read everything, as you have to
do when you're doing a show like this, to try
to familiarize yourself with all arguments. So I have a
couple of questions and I'm curious if you address them
in the book, And thanks for coming in studio with
us in New York where.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Buck is right now.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
So one, is Trump in your mind a cause of this?
Or is he merely a symptom and he's not really
the cause? I'm curious how you would assess that. That's
second part of this, Yeah, second part of this, because
I don't know the answer, and I think it's a
great debate. Second part of this, how much of it
do you think is subscription based? In other words, instead
(33:37):
of having an advertiser business, which is you want as
many people as possible to read the paper. Now you're
basically selling to the diehards, which is a different business model.
Those are two questions. I don't know what your answer
would be, but I'm curious how you would assess them.
Speaker 8 (33:53):
Those are both great questions I try to wrestle with
in the book. I think if you look at how
The New York Times is doing it a business, it's
doing great. Yeah, and that's because, as like you said,
as it pivoted from being an advertiser business, where Macy's
and Clorox just want maximum eyes, they don't necessarily and
(34:14):
they actually really don't want it to just be limited
to this political group or that political group. So you're
incentivized to serve a broader audience. But as it pivots
to a subscription business, the logical thing to do is
to serve those subscribers. And what those subscribers want is
red meat. They want to be told every single day
(34:34):
the same bad things about Trump. Things that it's not
like it's lies necessarily, other than like lies of omission.
Sometimes there's lies. But they want to be given the
red meat of anti Trump content every day, and they
want the paper to be their sword in the world,
to be there, to be their soldier out there fighting
(34:55):
for them. And that's what they're paying for the subscription.
And the Times courted that with the advertised model and
with with their with not the advertising model, with the
advertising campaigns around framing themselves as the subscriber's sword in
the world.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
Now, as for did Trump and his.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Rise, did he break them?
Speaker 5 (35:15):
This is what we talked about emotionally.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Did he emotionally break them or is it just the
last straw.
Speaker 6 (35:22):
I'm going to go on the side of Yeah, I
think Trump.
Speaker 8 (35:26):
Emotionally broke them a little bit. I think his wildness
and his lack of like traditional decorum made it so
the Democrats became a little wild and lost their sense
of traditional decorum. Because if you think about all the
old values of the old journalists and things, it's it's
a lot of it is like a manners and decorum
(35:46):
and sort of like this is how we like to act,
and this.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
Is what we like to you know.
Speaker 8 (35:52):
The idea of objectivity is an aspiration.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
Yeah, And so then you've got the Times death reacting.
Speaker 8 (36:01):
You have the whole liberal intelligentsia definitely reacting. I don't
think that's an excuse, though. I don't think you can say, oh,
I just got a note saying, no cursing.
Speaker 9 (36:15):
No, it's okay, it's just we're on broadcast radio. I wish,
I wish we could just let you let it fly.
But unfortunately there are there are limitations. There are limitations. Look,
we were talking, we were talking to Trump last night.
He's he's a He's Trump. You can't even really begin
to describe it. I think at this point it's fair
to say he's the most famous person on the planet.
He's the most polarizing person in the United States of
(36:36):
any real magnitude politically, and so the question as to
whether or not he broke them up, I could say this,
I grew up here in New York City. My family
were New York Times subscribers.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Growing up.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Most of the people that grew that were around me,
I think, have grown up to be bid in voting Obama,
voting Democrats, et cetera. And it's very clear though that
even they wreck what you said about the creation of
the New York Times or the perception of the New
York Times as the sword in the world for the left.
Trump there was like an explicit shift right of now
(37:12):
the truth is anti Trump, therefore anti Trump is the truth,
and that changed.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I think that we saw that, The Washington Post saw that,
The New York Times.
Speaker 8 (37:19):
We saw that NBR came out proudly and said, we're
not covering the Hunter Biden.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Right because that would help the enemy.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
Effectively, we're proudly we're speaking to Nelly Balls or book
by the Way, Morning After the Revolution, Dispatches from the
Wrong Side of History, And I just say, our producer
Ali Clay read the entire thing. We get books, We
get books and top books, the top books, we get
like books for people I've never heard of before, books
and foreign languages, like we got books everywhere here for
(37:47):
one of our producers to go and read it cover
to cover and then make sure that Nelly comes on
I think says something about what's in it.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I just want to pose this one to you, Nelly.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
For me.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Actually, it felt like the Tom Cotton op ed was.
I know a lot of people felt this way a
turning point. A sitting senator making an argument on the
editorial page is unacceptable to the rest of the tribe.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
So to speak inside the Times. How did that play out?
Speaker 8 (38:14):
I think, I mean, at this point we've all read
a lot about how that played out, and how it
played out was basically internally within the Times, every good
reporter had to get together and tweet the same tweet.
We were all supposed to tweet that this op ed
puts our black colleagues in danger, that a sitting senator
saying to call in cops, to call in the National
(38:37):
Guard to quell some of the riots puts our colleagues
somehow in danger. And if you didn't post that message,
you were on the wrong side, and you would start
people would notice, they reach out. Yeah, And so I
was never canceled. I'm not here like with a tiny
(38:57):
violin complaining like our life is great of the free press,
like things are fabulous. But at the time when I
was there as a staffer, when I didn't post the
tweet and try to cancel that the young editor who
was behind that op ed, or was one of the
editors behind it, that was kind of my end of
(39:18):
my time there. It was sort of the line drawn
in the sand by the movement, and it said you
have to post something irrational, you have to post something
that we all kind of know is a lie. The
op ed doesn't put lives in danger, but you have
to do that and if you don't, then you're clearly
not with us. So and that's not coming from the
(39:38):
top down. That's coming bottom up. And I think a
lot of what we're seeing in these companies and in
universities too right now, with what's going on campus, it's
bottom up, and then the leadership crumbles to it. So obviously,
then the editor, the opinion section editor at the Times,
after that piece, Ran.
Speaker 6 (39:56):
Had to resign. Was basically fucking a forced resignation.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Nellie's beauty also the last question for you.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
I encourage everybody to go check it out and also
check out the Free Press.
Speaker 6 (40:06):
Let me tell you to check out the Free Press.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Having read this book, I did a little bit of
player managing myself when I ran out Kick and then
I sold it to Fox. I'm curious for you to
analyze what you think the future is of news and journalism.
I'm sure you thought about it a lot as you
wrote the book. You're having a lot of success at
the Free Press, which is a subscriber based platform. You're
a player manager. I would imagine in some ways along
(40:31):
with your wife and trying to manage this new era
of journalism and news. Are you optimistic that we come
through the Trump era, however it ends, and news is
in a better place. Or do you think we fragmented
and blown up to such an extent that everybody just
goes and finds their shard of reality and there is
(40:51):
no sort of cohesive news industry anymore.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Where are we going?
Speaker 8 (40:55):
I think the new world of media upstarts is obviously
so exciting guys like real players who are coming up
to push against the legacy press and to have the
old values but in slightly new formats. What are we
at the Free Press. We're a newsletter that's now a website,
we have a podcast. We're not doing anything revolutionary in
(41:16):
terms of form. What's revolutionary is we're doing old fashioned
journalism with the skill sets and the values of the
old world, but the freedom and curiosity of the new.
And I'm really optimistic about us, obviously, but others too.
I'm optimistic about a bunch of new media up starts.
And then what in my dream world happens is then
(41:40):
all of these upstarts start to pressure the legacy media
to be more honest, to get better, to improve itself,
and so hopefully the free press ends up making The
New York Times a better place and making NPR a
better place. Hopefully it makes a better ecosystem, a more
honest one. I think no one wants to be lied to,
and no one wants even your political adversaries, no one
(42:01):
wants them fed lies.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
I'm excited about the future as well. This is great.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
I'm going to read the book. To bucks point Ally's point,
we get a lot of books. I'm very fascinated to
read yours. Keep up the good work. Congrats on the
book coming out, and hopefully we'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 6 (42:15):
Thank you so much for having me on your producers.
A very smart woman.
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Speaker 1 (43:45):
We are going to play our Donald Trump interview for you.
The rest of it at the top of the next hour,
so a little over ten minutes from now. We talked
with Trump last night. He's obviously in the courtroom right now.
During the course of our I'm sure we'll have him
on several times between now and the election. In fact,
(44:05):
we'll talk about that a little bit with him during
the course of the conversation that you're about to hear.
But also, if you're out in your car right now,
let's say you just got in, you're like, okay, good,
I want to hear Trump on with the guys you are,
But also the first half has played. We played that
in the first hour. It will be up on the podcast.
So if you just want to hear Trump for the
twenty some odd minutes that he spent with us, uh,
(44:28):
we'll put that together and it will be up as
a part of the Clay and Buck podcast. You'll be
able to go listen to that there thanks Toanelli Bowls.
By the way, I'm going to read that book too.
Morning after the Revolution, you and I were talking about
how more competition in media is good overall, we think
for an industry that is quite frankly broken in many ways.
(44:50):
And we want to say also Michael Mason, video guru
a lot of you watch this radio show on video
now Michael Mayson and gets the video clips out. He
works fantastic for us getting married today in Maui. I've
still never been to Hawaii. Have you been to Hawaii?
Hawaii is amazing Maui. You can't go wrong getting married
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in Maui want honestly one of the most beautiful places
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I would argue.
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Michael is getting married to his fiance, Chelsea, who is
we are told is fantastic. So congratulations to Michael and
Chelsea on their wedding day.
Speaker 5 (45:27):
They're very cute couple, the two of them, and they
also have an adorable Boston Terrier. So that's near and
dear to my heart because I grew up with the
Boston Terrier. But so Michael and Chelsea. God bless congratulations
and many decades of health, happiness and love ahead of you.
And Michael, thank you for all the great work you
do on the show.
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Speaking of great work, your brother who is working with
us at Crockett Coffee is killing it. Mason Sexton and
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They have BlackBerry Farm and BlackBerry Mountain. You and Kerrie
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And the frontier spirit. So and more products coming there. Clay,
we have more with President Trump here. You have not
heard this if you're listening to right now. This has
not aired before. It is our interview with President Trump.
We talked to him for a while last night, hanging
out with Big Tea himself, and we're gonna bring you
the latest. He talks about the border wide open border,
(47:51):
what's he going to do about securing it, about the wall,
about deportations, We get into that and much more. Also,
does he think Biden? Clay asked him, does he think
Biden's even going to be his opponent? That's all coming up.
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