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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in. I hope all of you are having fantastic
Thursdays wherever you may be across this great country or
around the world. We are here to make the next
three hours as enjoyable and informative as we possibly can.
Thank you all for hanging out with us. Give me
a little bit of a roadmap. Tulsea Gabbert is going
to join us at two. She has got a new
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book out. We've had her on a couple of times.
She is in the running to potentially be Trump's vice president,
but also maybe as well in his cabinet. We will
talk with her. We'll also talk Arizona politics at two
thirty with abe Hagadah, who is running out there for
a congressional seat. So that is where we are headed.
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In the third hour of the program. Buck is out today.
He is traveling. We have got a massive day of
outside of studio promotional related activities that will be taking
place all over the city of Nashville. So he is
in the air, I believe, as I am speaking to
you right now, en route to Nashville, this probably doesn't
surprise a lot of you, but there are many things
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that are involved in doing this show that don't actually
occur during the three hours between twelve and three eastern
and nine am and noon on the West coast every
single day. And by the way, soon we're going to
have an announcement about going over five hundred affiliate stations
out there, which is a pretty incredible accomplishment and thanks
to many of you. But I am fired up this morning,
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this afternoon, wherever you may be across the country, I
guess it's just hit the afternoon on the East Coast,
still morning everywhere else. Harrison Butker is a guy that
a lot of you are not going to know at all.
He's a Kansas City Chiefs kicker. He is instrumental in
Kansas City, having won several Super Bowls here during the
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Patrick Mahomes era. And he's an outspoken Catholic and he
was asked to give a commencement address at a Catholic
university and he gave that commencement address. And the outrage
has been building for multiple days now as the left
has decided that his opinions are unacceptable for a football
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player to have. Mind you, I'm going to play some
of these clips and I think it's important for you
guys to hear them, and then I'm going to use
them as a platform to discuss what I see as
a huge amount of people in media and on social
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media and in American life in general who talk left
but live right. That is, they embrace all left wing
values publicly, but in their own private lives they actually
live by the values of the right. They are being
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fundamentally dishonest in the way they live their lifestyle and
the way they publicly espouse opinions compared to what they
do in their own private lives. And I'm going to
talk about that. I think this is so illustrative of
that gap. But let's begin by just letting all of
you hear what Harrison Butker said. And so you know,
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earlier this morning, the NFL condemned Harrison Butker's comments in
this commencement address, and last night Kansas City, the official
Twitter account of Kansas City doxed Harrison Butker based on
the neighborhood he lives in Kansas City. They later deleted
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it and apologized. But I want you to actually hear
what he said so you can understand how fundamentally dishonest
this all is. By the way, the NFL that it's
vice president of diversity, equity and inclusion. Of course, the
Dei stooges who destroy every institution from the inside. They
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had him speak out against this. But I just want
to play the clips because I always think it's important
to not just talk about the controversy, but to understand
from which the controversy has arisen. That is what was
actually said. We played a little bit of this for
you yesterday as we finished the program, but I want
to start here with cut twenty five that we finished
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the show with yesterday. This is receiving a lot of attention,
but Kerk talks about his wife and how important she
has been to his family's success. This is considered controversial.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Listen, I want to speak directly to you briefly because
I think it is you the women who have had
the most diabolical lies told to you. How many of
you are sitting here now about to cross this stage
and are thinking about all the promotions and titles you
are going to get in your career. Some of you
may go on to leeds successful careers in the world,
but I would venture to guess that the majority of
you are most excited about your marriage and the children
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you will bring into this world. I can tell you
that my beautiful wife, Isabelle, would be the first to
say that her life truly started when she began living
her vocation as a wife and as a mother. I'm
on this stage today and able to be the man
I am because I have a wife who leans into
her vocation. I'm beyond blessed with the many talents God
has given me. But it cannot be overstated that all
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of my success is made possible because a girl I
met in band class back in middle school would convert
to the faith, become my wife, and embrace one of
the most important titles of all holemaker.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
That is a man, in his most public statement, probably
of his life, professing that the reason he's become a
success is because of the good fortune he's had to
meet his wife and that they now are able to
share a family together. That's considered controversial. The NFL just
condemned that. To my knowledge, the NFL doesn't come out
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and condemn wife beating. By and large, the NFL doesn't
come out and condemn drunk driving very often, if ever,
to my knowledge, the NFL has never even condemned anybody
else's private political opinion on any issue. Harrison Butker brought
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to tears talking about his wife's contribution to their family
and the most public speech that he will probably give
in his life is worthy of condemnation by the NFL.
What's going on here? What's really going on? Because I'm
going to play a couple of other cuts, but I
want to start with this one. I mentioned Live Talk left,
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Live right. What does that mean? That's what the NFL
is doing when they're attacking Harrison Butker. I can speak
to all of you about the fact that I've been
married for almost twenty years. In August, I'm gonna have
been married for twenty years. I've got three boys, as
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you guys all know, sixteen, thirteen, nine, tenth grade, seventh grade,
third grade. When I had my first two. When we
had our first two kids, it was an incredible struggle.
Both of us worked full time. It was an incredible
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struggle to raise those kids, even with help from my parents.
I would start off most mornings was running out Kick,
the site that I sold three years ago, was doing
daily radio. My wife would get up around five am.
She's a guidance counselor at a local high school here
in the Nashville area. She would leave go to the
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gym to work out early in the morning, and then
go straight to her high school. High schools obviously start
early in the morning. I would get up with our
two year old and our baby boy. I would get
both of them ready, get them dressed, feed the morning bottle,
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get them all geared up, and I would take them
to daycare, the very middle class daycare, a middle class
daycare that I think a lot of you are going
to understand because you're dealing with issues like this, or
your grandkids and your kids are dealing with issues like these.
Middle class daycare cost me more than college tuition would
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have at the University of Tennessee. Nearly my wife's entire
salary as a school guidance counselor here in the public
schools in Tennessee was eaten up by what it cost
to put an infant and a two year old into daycare.
My wife would work all day. She would come pick
them up in the afternoon. I would work all day,
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I would write, then I would go do radio, and
then we were together in the evenings. I'm speaking on
both of our behalves. My wife would tell you that
she was miserable. She got to be around her baby
for only a few hours every day. She got to
be around her two year old for only a few
hours every day. A lot of you have had that struggle.
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I would imagine it's far more difficult for women than
for men. But I personally felt like a huge failure
as a dad because I wasn't able to make enough
to allow my family to not have to be a
dual income household. Now, look, I was raised in a
dual income household. My wife is a law school graduate.
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She's got a graduate degree from Vanderbilt. I loved the
idea of everybody pursuing education to the highest of their ability.
And some of you listening right now may well be
men whose wives make more money. So I'm trying to
say that this has to be entirely a gender based discussion.
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But when I finally started to have more success in
my career and I could allow us to become a
one income family, a one full time working family, our
life got one thousand percent better, not a little bit better,
one thousand percent better. I think the kids are far
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better off. That was a luxury that we were finally
able to achieve. And even now, I will say if
I could go back in time and do anything. I
would like to donate money to myself so that my
wife never had to work once we had kids. Now,
I'm not criticizing anybody out there that's a single parent
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or both parents having to work. I've been through all
of those challenges. I didn't make over forty thousand dollars
a year until I was in my thirties. So look,
I know how difficult it can be and how many
of you have to have two income households, especially in
this Joe Biden economy where everything costs way more than
it should. But the idea that Harrison Butker, who is
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successful enough to make millions of dollars as he says
in his career, would be criticized for bragging about his
wife's ability to help their family grow, I think is
an incredible insult. And worse than that, I think it's
incredibly dishonest because I think every parent out there listening
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to me right now, just about at some point in time,
if you have multiple young kids, has thought, boy, I
wish we made enough money so only one of us
had to work. Now, I understand that is an aspirational
goal for many people. It was an aspirational goal for
me personally. I just said I felt like a failure
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as a dad that my wife had to work when
she didn't want to work, when she would have preferred
to stay home with our kids. I'm not saying you
both can't work if you love your jobs and you
find that to be personally fulfilling. I'm not saying that
people always feel like they're being attacked, but most parents,
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deep down have thought to themselves, I'd like to have
a one parent household where one parent can work and
the other one can focus one hundred percent on the kids.
That is an aspirational goal. You know who does that,
huge percentages of pro athletes, because they make millions of
dollars a year and they can be fortunate to have
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a wife who stays home. What's really going on when
the NFL is condemning what Harrison Butker said. I'm going
to play some more cuts from it, because I think
this is a big story. What's really going on is
a direct attack on gender itself. They are trying to
attack the idea that men and women can have different roles,
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and that biology is real and that there is in
fact a benefit to a two parent household than that
oftentimes kids benefit if possible, by one parent as the
primary caregiver. This isn't a radical idea. This is an
aspirational value that all of you understand, and yet Harrison
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Butker is being attacked for actually embracing it and tearfully
praising his wife in the most public address he'll give.
Harrison Butker, in terms of criticism, would have been far
better off getting accused of sexual assault than to actually
say his family has benefited from his wife staying home
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and helping to raise the kids. Think about how crazy
that is. The NFL wouldn't have condemned him publicly, probably
if he'd been accused of sexual assaultaut but crying during
a commencement address and praising his wife for helping to
raise their kids, that's not acceptable. I'm gonna take some
of your calls eight hundred and two two two eight
A two, and I want to play a couple more
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of these cuts because I think it's important for you
to actually hear what's considered controversial in America today. I
always make jokes about this, but it's true. Every article
about me that's been written in the last decade describes
me as controversial, and I always say I think I'm
the least controversial person on the planet. I really mean that.
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I don't even think I have a crazy controversial opinion
in terms of society at large. I think we just
live in such a profoundly inauthentic and dishonest era that
when you actually say the truth, there are so few
people who are willing to say it that it's greeted
as if it's controversy. And that is I think what's
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One truth revealed after another Clay Travis and buck Sexton.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Welcome back in Clay Travis, buck Sexton show. We're talking
about the massive controversy that has come from Harrison Bucker
praising his wife for staying home with their kids in
saying that she is a huge backbone of his success.
Amber Duke has tweeted this out. I shared it. I
think we retweeted it from Clay and Buck. I thought
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it's so well said here. I'm going to read her
post on Twitter. What's so infuriating about the backlash to
Harrison Butker's commencement speech is he did not say women
have to stay in the kitchen or whatever other false
pejoratives people have projected onto his comments. He was very
clear that many of the women in the audience would
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go on to have fruitful and satisfying careers, but for
most women, they will be happier focusing on family. This
is a fact. Married mothers are happier than any other
cohort of women Today. Women are waiting longer to get
married and have children. Many are opting out of the
process entirely, having been convinced they don't need a man
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or that children will ruin their lives. It's not a
coincidence that young women today are facing a mental health
crisis like nothing we've ever seen before. I thought that
was really really well said by her. Now I want
to play a couple of more cuts. You remember when
I said how controversial I'm considered to be? Now suddenly
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butker is super controversial. And then I always push back
whenever a media outlet is doing a story on me
and they say, well, you're really controversial, I say, Okay,
what do I believe that you actually think is controversial?
Is believing that women's athletics should only be played by women?
Controversial maybe because there's so many cowards out there in
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the world of sports who won't say it. Is believing
that kids do better in a two parent household if
one parent can stay home and focus entirely on the kids.
Is that actually really controversial?
Speaker 4 (18:37):
That is?
Speaker 1 (18:37):
That is I believe something that almost every man and
woman with a multiple children, for sure in America today
would aspire to. And I'm not saying, by the way,
that it has to be the woman who stays home.
Some women out there make way more money than the men.
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If you start looking around and you're a man and
you're making thirty five thousand dollars a year and your
wife is making a half million, dollars a year, and
you're paying sixty thousand dollars for childcare. It's not crazy
to think, you know, maybe I could be the stay
at home person. You know, my mom worked. She took
off seven years when my sister and I were born,
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and then she worked. My grandma worked. My grandma was
a school teacher in Georgia. She drove from Chattanooga, Tennessee,
down to Georgia because they paid better in Georgia. That
was kind of unheard of. Then my grandfather worked in
the combustion factory down there. She said. My grandfather worked
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for a living, and she worked to make life worth living.
I think there are a lot of women out there
and a lot of men out there that understand that,
and they wish they lived in a better economic situation
such that prices weren't skyri bucketing and everybody didn't have
to work. If you're fortunate enough to be in a
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position where you can have one parent not have to work,
it's an incredible luxury. I personally, I tell you I
felt awful when I was dropping my kids off at
school because I wasn't successful enough as a man to
be able to have my wife not need to work,
not need to work. Okay, people can still choose to work.
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What we've gotten in this country is so soft that
if somebody says, hey, I've got advice, it's a freaking
commencement address where you go and give life advice to
younger people if they have a different worldview than you,
that's not an attack on you. If you want to
hire eight nannies and you and your spouse want to
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work eighty hours a week, both you can do it.
I would suggest that your kids probably statistically are not
going to be as good off ultimately as they would
be if they had their actual parents helping them. And
I understand that some of you are single parents and
you really don't have the luxury. It's not an attack
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on single parenthood to say kids in general do better
with two parents. Sometimes that's not true. Barack Obama and
Bill Clinton were both raised by single women. They ended
up president of the United States. But as a general nature,
people always respond to general natures by saying, well, that's
not true. No, no, your anecdote might not reflect the
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larger society, but doesn't mean the larger society. Example, isn't
true if I said men are generally taller than women.
Would you all email and be like, well, that's not true.
I'm taller than my husband. Okay, your husband may be
shorter than normal. You might be a super tall woman.
It doesn't change the fact that men are generally taller
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than women. Your anecdote doesn't repeat. You eight the overall
larger story. You might be the outlier. I want to play, though,
give credit to Whoopi Goldberg absolutely nailing it there. I
want to play more of the incredibly controversial Harrison Butker
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Catholic College address. All right, I want you to hear
what is considered to be completely unacceptable, so much so
that the NFL has to condemn this. What did Harrison
Butker actually say? Well, I played when he almost started
crying talking about how much he loved his wife and
how impressive and important her contribution to their family had been.
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Here he is saying gender ideology is a real issue,
and he went after Joe Biden. This is his personal
political opinion. Cut twenty six.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Our own nation is led by a man who publicly
and proudly proclaims his Catholic faith, but at the same
time is delusional enough to make this to the cross
during a pro abortion rally. From the man behind the
COVID lockdowns to the people pushing dangerous gender ideologies onto
the youth of America, they all have a glaring thing
in common.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
They are Catholic.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
This is an important reminder that being Catholic alone doesn't
cut it. These are the sorts of things we are
told in polite society to not bring up, you know,
the difficult and unpleasant things. But if we're going to
be men and women for this time in history, we
need to stop pretending that the Church of Nice is
a winning proposition.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Boom, I mean Buck is Catholic. Buck's not on today
because we got a bunch of stuff we're doing outside
of the show, and he's traveling today. Buck might end
up with a Harrison Butker Jersey before all is said
had done, because he believes a ton of this stuff.
He's Catholic. I don't know that he's even heard these
all these clips yet, but after we played the one
yesterday he was like, oh man, I'm fired up about this. Uh,
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listen to another one. Everybody's talking about what Harrison Bucker
said about the incredible contributions of his wife to their family.
But he also called out men who have allowed themselves
to be emasculated by modern culture. Listen to Cut twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
To the gentleman here today, part of what plagues our
society is this lie that has been told to you
that men are not necessary in the home or in
our communities. As men, we set the tone of the culture,
and when that is absent, disorder, dysfunction, and chaos set in.
This absence of men in the home is what plays
a large role in the violence we see all around
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the nation. Other countries do not have nearly the same
absentee father rates as we find here in the US,
and a correlation could be made in their drastically lower
violence rates as well. Be unapologetic in your masculinity, fighting
against the cultural emasculation of men. Do hard things, never
settle for what is easy.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
I mean that's controversial. Of course it isn't. And I
think and I hope that so many young people in
America are realizing to what extent they have been lied to.
Social media is the most artificial construct that has ever
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existed in most of our lives. Thirty percent of women
have thought about teenage girls have thought about killing themselves
in the last year thirty percent. Does that sound like
a society to you that is doing well? If you
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have a teenage girl in your family, there is nearly
a one in three chance that she's thought about killing
herself in the last year. Does that seem like a
society that's telling women really constructive, healthy things. Of course
not yet if you actually address it and try to
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come up with a solution. Oh, it's controversial, Harrison, Butker
didn't say to the graduates there, hey, fail in your
careers and go get barefoot and pregnant and stay in
the kitchen. He said something that I think most people
recognize men and women. Career success is fleeting. It is,
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and I say that to you on the biggest radio
show in the country, having sold my multimedia company for
one hundred million dollars. What I care about is my
three boys. They're what is going to be my legacy, cars, houses, success,
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material things. None of them last. There's nothing wrong with
being ambitious and pursuing success and embracing capitalism with every
fiber of your being to advance your family. I believe
in all of those things, but without a foundational goal,
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it's very empty, and so I think a lot of
people out there recognize this at some point in their career.
There's a reason why on your deathbed, nobody says, boy,
you know what, I really wish I could have gotten
that vice president title in my corporation. That would have
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really made me feel better. Here as I'm about to die,
nobody says that you ever hear anybody say that you're
eighty five years old. You're on your deathbed, boy, that
VP that would have made me the seventy sixth most
important person in a moderately successful corporation. Boy, I just
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wish i'd really grasp that brass ring. What are your
regrets in life? Well, I was the eighty sixth most
important person at my company. If I'd really done a
lot better, I could have been the seventy fourth. I
don't think a lot of people say that we've lost
grip on what legacy and success is. And this is
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why I'm so fired up. And sometimes I feel like
I'm screaming at the clouds and nobody else. I'm the
old man shaking his fist at the clouds. This is
why nobody's having babies, This is why humanity's population is collapsing.
Having kids can be hard, raising them can be hard.
It's incredibly gratifying. A lot of people don't want to
do hard things anymore. A lot of people in America
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and around the world don't want to do hard things,
and as a result, humanity's collapsing. Everybody's always talking about
global warming. Oh my goodness. I don't worry at all
about the temperature of the Earth. I worry about whether
there's going to be humans on it. If you want
to talk about existential threats to society, go look at
the ground. Once women stop having two point two children
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per woman, the population in the world collapses in a hurry.
And I think the fact that hardly anyone is addressing it,
or it's considered controversial if you even mentioned gender roles,
is a bigger reason why a lot of women don't
like men and a lot of men don't like women
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right now. And I think a lot of it has
to do with gender roles. You know, women get sixty
percent of all college graduate degrees. Now they can't find
men that have the same educational level as them. They're unhappy.
Men can't find women who want to have a baby,
They're unhappy. I saw stat the other day some places
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thirty percent of thirty year old men are virgins thirty percent.
They made the movie The Forty year Old Virgin to
mock the fact that that could have ever happened. Now
men can't even have sex anymore. Women don't like him,
men don't like the whole construct of society is collapsing,
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and I feel like many people out there are narrow
with the violin in Rome, watching as everything burns down,
actually concerned about things that don't go to the root
causes of our cultural collapse. But anyway, I tend to
be an optimist, but when I see this reaction to
Harrison Budker, I think it's important that people actually take
up verbal arms and actually defend him, because what he's saying,
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what do you actually disagree with? Maybe there's people out
there who disagree with something that he said, that's fine,
But did anything that he said actually even approach the
possibility of controversy? In my mind, the fact that this
is considered controversial is why so much of American society
is falling apart. We've conflatednversy and truth. Hard truths aren't
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allowed to be spoken in this country anymore because some
people's feelings are going to be hurt and as a result,
the whole country goes to hell. I don't really care
if your feelings are hurt. My goal in life is
not to avoid hurting your feelings. If that happens, I
grow up. Remember we used to say sticks and stones
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may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.
Now all we do is focus on words over actions.
I said it, Harrison Bucker would have been better off
being accused of sexual assault or getting a DUI than
he would be to tear up praising his wife for
being a homemaker. It's crazy. We're in an upside down world,
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. As we were rolling
through the third hour of the program. Buck'll be back tomorrow.
He's traveling. We have a photo shoot. Don't even get
me started on the three hour photo shoot that we have.
I didn't pick out my clothes. I wonder if Buck
picked out his My wife doesn't trust me to pick
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out my own clothes to get my photos taken, So
that probably gives you a good sense of my fashion sense.
As I'm sitting here in a T shirt and shorts
doing the show, Tulsi Gabbert joins us. Now, Tulsi, do
you pick out your own clothes for photo shoots or
do you have a stylist? Do you think you have
good style? My wife has no faith in my style.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
I'm laughing as I was hearing you say that I
don't have a stylist, but generally, if I'm doing something
fancy like that, I will ask my husband, and I
trust his case far more than I trust my own.
I'm sitting here in workout clothes as I'm talking to
you today, so we're good.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
So let me ask you this. How long have you
been married?
Speaker 4 (34:08):
We just celebrated our ninth anniversary.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Congratulations, We're about to celebrate twenty. My wife for twenty
years has asked me what should I wear to an event?
And for twenty years I've had no idea what to
tell her. Does your husband give you good advice on
what to wear new events? I mean, it's actually kind
of curious because you have so many formal events I
would imagine and things to go to, Like the whole
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concept of what to wear to things for women, I
have no idea.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
It's a real problem. It's a real problem, Clay. I
am of the mindset that in you in a twenty
four hour period, and maybe you can relate. We have
a lot of decisions to make just in the course
of a day everything you know, what am I gonna
have for breakfast or what to far more serious things,
and so for me, I like to minimize the decisions
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about what I wear to be as simple as possible
as why men. One of the reasons that's why when
I'm on army duty in uniform like that is that
is the easiest thing. So I just I keep it
very simple. So if I have to break out of
my normal rotation of three suits or blazers that I use,
I do ask my husband. He has he has great
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tastes in just being able to tell like I don't know,
he has never steered me wrong. He's a cinematographer, he's
a musician, so he uses a different side of the
brain than I do. And it's always, you know, I
just go for clean, classy and simple, and he is
on the mark anytime I have any question at all.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Talsea Gabbert always finally dressed for the per appropriate thanks
to her husband having great taste. All right, let's dive
into this CBS News supposedly VP debate July twenty third,
August thirteenth. They haven't set a date officially yet. How
bad do you think you would massacre Kamala Harris if
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you got the opportunity to go head to head against
her in a vice presidential debate? And how much, based
on your experience in the twenty twenty race, would you
relish that opportunity? Be honest, is there anybody you would
rather of this orrate in a debate than Kamala Harris?
Speaker 4 (36:16):
You know I'm not one to hold personal grudges. However,
I can say, based on the experience I had in
our interaction on a debate stage in twenty twenty, and
how surprised I was that her lack of preparedness to
address her own record that she was running on during
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her presidential campaign. She was proud of her record, and
yet asking her some very simple questions about that record
completely blew her cover and showed how ill prepared she was,
and that has only been reaffirmed throughout her tenure as
Vice president. So I would love to have the opportunity
to go toe to tode with her on a debate stage.
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There is not a lack of material to address given
the substance of the failures of both President Biden and
Vice President Kamala Harris in their positions.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Doesn't it speak to how bad she is that, despite
the fact that Joe Biden is objectively I think it's
fair to say, the worst president in most of our lives,
they are terrified at eighty two year old Joe Biden
stepping down because it would mean they would have to
elevate Kamala Harris, who has managed to somehow be worse
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than Joe Biden despite the fact that he's the worst
president ever. I mean, that really kind of sums up
the awfulness of their combination, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
It does, and it it points to the lack of
judgment obviously in President Biden knows around him. For him
to make a decision that he stated from the outset
would be purely based on identity politics reveals the failure
of that whole That whole premise. I think the other
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thing that just came to mind, given.
Speaker 5 (38:05):
Their identity politics, is is I know this because it's
the excuse Kamala Harris uses every time anyone in the
media dares to point out her failures and her lack
of preparedness.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Is she says, well, you know they are racist or
they are sexist. If I am going toe to toe
with her as a quote unquote woman of color on
the debate stage, I don't know how she uses that
as an excuse to cover up her inadequacy and her
in her lack of qualification to serve in the current
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position that she's in and to be literally one breath
away from the presidency.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
We're talking to Tulsea Gabbard, four term congresswoman, combat veteran
currently serving as a lieutenant colonel in the US Army Reserve,
and she has a best selling book for Love of Country,
which you'd encourage you guys to go check out. Tulsa.
You grew up in Hawaii. I believe believe you are
a big surfer. I think we've talked about this before.
Would you have ever believed that men would be able
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to identify as women and compete in Surfing Championships to
win women Surfing championships as a woman who has grown
up surfing all over Hawaii. If you and I are
around the same age, if I had told you that
was going to happen in two thousand and three, two
thousand and four, twenty years ago, I think you would
have told me that I was crazy, and maybe I
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would have agreed to make that argument. But now it's
democrat standard orthodoxy. How do we get here?
Speaker 4 (39:37):
It is? It's literal insanity, and I dedicate a whole
chapter in my book specifically to this topic, both because
of what the consequence is. I've spoken with a few
of the women who are currently on the World Surfing
Circuit Tour and then expressing their frustrations because not only
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is it completely unfair, there are two different divisions for
a reason. The physical capability of male surfers to be
able to paddle into some of the biggest waves in
the world is just different from the women. These women
are excellent beyond you know, I'm like I'm like in
kindergarten as a surfer compared to what these women are
doing and dominating around the world. However, they are different
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for a reason, and if they speak up about it,
they will immediately see their sponsorships canceled and perhaps be
kicked off the tour. We see this because it happened
to Bethany Hamilton. You know, she had her arm bid
off as a child, and so as a one armed
surfing woman, she is still going out and competing and
doing things that I define.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Me pause here for a moment with you, because I
want the Bethany Hamilton's story to me is so amazing.
If I ever got attacked by a shark, because I
think that's how she lost her arm, right as a surfer,
she was attacked by a shark. If a shark ever
bid me, if I had the tiniest little cut, ever,
I'm not sure I would ever go in the ocean again.
Can you imagine the bravery that it takes to lose
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an arm to a shark and then get better and
go back out into the ocean with only one arm
to try to catch waves. I mean to me, that
is a bravery that's unparalleled in terms of athletics. And
she's speaking out and saying, hey, there's a big difference
between men and women, and it's like she's not even
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being paid attention to by many.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
People she's not and worse, she's being retaliate against. And
you're absolutely right. I mean her courage and bravery as
she was healing from, you know, the shark bit off
her arm very close to her shoulder, so there's nothing
there really to work with. She doesn't use a prosthetic
when she's paddling. I don't even know if that's a
viable thing. But she was eager. I think she was
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twelve years old when this happened. She was eager. It's
amazing in the water to pursue her passion and really
what I respect in her and her story. It's powerful
for so many reasons. But as you look at the
cur she exhibited them and you look at the courage
she exhibits now as a mom of I think three
kids now competing in incredible ways around the world. When
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she just stood up and said men should not be
competing against women in surfing, her decades long sponsor immediately
canceled their sponsorship for her, which is a way to
earn her livelihood to help support her family. And there's
a thing on International Women's Day that's become a tradition
in surfing where the male surfers. As they're competing, they
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choose the name of a woman they admire and put
it on their jersey. In these past couple of years,
multiple male competitors chose Bethany Hamilton as the woman they
most admire. And after Bethany Hamilton made that statement, the
World Surf League would not allow her name on these
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men's jersey. Unbelievable, Like four or five of them wanted
to feature her, admire her, applaud or champion her, and
they said, no, you are not allowed to have this woman,
this specific woman's name on your jersey. I give her
so much credit because she is continuing to stand up
and speak out for free speech and for equality for
women and girls and protecting women and girls in surfing,
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in all sports. And I hope that more women are
willing to do the same, and men for that matter.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
I think this is important. I think I asked you
this the last time you were on your in consideration
potentially to be vice president or to be involved in
the cabinet. You and I have a similar political evolution.
You were a Democrat. I voted for Democrats, I worked
for Democrats, and then I finally just looked around starting
about six seven years ago in real earnest and said,
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Democrats have lost their minds, and I haven't really changed.
I still believe pretty much the same thing I always have,
but I'm now considered to be a right winger. And
as I talked earlier, people say, oh, I'm super controversial
because I say things like, you know, men's sports should
only be made up of men, and women's sports should
only be made up of women. I think there are
tens of millions of people out there, like you and me,
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who are persuadable to recognize that things are broken in
this country. They need to be fixed, and much of
the breaking is being done by the left wing in
this country. How many people do you think are out
there persuadable and how do you think they respond to
you when you make that argument?
Speaker 4 (44:28):
Oh gosh, I mean millions to tens of millions of
people at at a minimum. You know, my evidence is
purely anecdotal at this point. But I live out of
a suitcase, and I travel across the country, and I
meet people and hear from people every single day who
say the same thing that you just said, who resonate
deeply with my experience. In your experience who are now
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being called conservatives or right wing Republicans simply for standing
up and stating what is obvious in objective truth of
biology between the different this between a man and a
woman standing up and saying that the government should not
be censoring speech. Free speech is free speech in America.
That the government shouldn't be weaponizing its institutions against its
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political opponents. That our streets should be safe and our
police should be allowed to do their jobs, our borders
should be secure. These things are not radical ideas, they
are fundamentally American ideals. And I specifically focused in my
books about each chapter dedicated to one of these major
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fundamental principles. And this is where I see hope and
opportunity in this election, and where I've experienced my ability
to connect with people and let them know, hey, it's
not only okay for you to walk away from the
craziness of the Democratic Party, but we must seize this
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moment as Americans and fulfill our responsibility as citizens to
save our country and to defend our freedom and make
sure we send President Biden and Kamala Harris packing on
election day.
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Speaker 1 (47:49):
We were heading out to Arizona right now, where we're
going to be joined right now by Abe Hammada, who
is running for Congress out in Arizona, battleground state. And
I want to start with this. I'm going to get
into the Attorney General of Arizona race with you here
in a sec. But first, you were a prosecutor. I'm
sure you've been paying some attention to the Trump case
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in New York City that Alvin Bragg brought as a prosecutor.
How would you analyze the case? So far from your perspective, They're.
Speaker 6 (48:22):
Gonna be with you. Well, if you look at this,
you know, people always ask me about my legal analysis
on this case, and quite frankly, it's kind of difficult
to do that because I think all of us can
recognize what is happening. It's a political witch hunt. The
case involved, you know, federal issues of election law that
was declined way back in twenty seventeen. But Alvin Bragg
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what he did he brought the third highest ranking member
of the Department of Justice to be this prosecutor on
this case. So I'm a former prosecutor Clay, and I
am ashamed of the legal system. And if you're looking,
it's not just in New York with this one case.
You see Letitia James, Fanny will, as you have Chris
May's out here in Arizona. Then you had Jack Smith.
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And what really concerns me is these are attorneys who
are in their forties, fifties, and sixties who are this
radicalized with this Marx societeology. What concerns me is this
new crop that's coming out of the universities, how committed
they are going to be to destroying our country in
the rule of law. So you know, this is this
is why Trump passed to win. And I know the
jury pool is very heavily favored in terms of the prosecution,
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just because it was overwhelmingly for Joe Biden. But if
you look at Michael Cohen's testimony, he's a convicted liar
multiple times.
Speaker 4 (49:34):
And I think the defense is doing an.
Speaker 6 (49:35):
Excellent job on it. But you know, it's hard, but
it's stacked against you so much. But I you know,
we have to pray and hope that the jury does
the right thing. But I think everybody, at least everybody
watching this, if they've seen any trials of this case,
they're they're looking at this as a witch hunt, and
I think has only helped Trump in his election prospects.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
I don't want you to dodge this because you're a politician,
and politicians are good at dodging questions. This is going
to be maybe the most difficult question you get this
whole campaign. You went to Arizona State undergrad, you went
to the University of Arizona for law school. Who do
you root for when Arizona and Arizona State play and
a tie. And by the way, a tie is not
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an acceptable answer at all, sir.
Speaker 4 (50:17):
No, it's not. I'm brutally honest.
Speaker 6 (50:19):
Well, it depends which sport. My brother in law, he
was actually an NBA champion who played at ASU, Jeff Ayres,
So you know, with basketball it's probably ASU. But you know,
typically you of AAD does a lot better, but football
attends to be u OF banned. It really depends on
which sport it is. But I had a good time
at both schools.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
I saw, by the way, that is the typical politician answer. Well,
in football one thing, basketball another, so both sides can
be happy and angry simultaneously. I'm sure you saw the
video of the ASU frat guys clearing up the Palestine
protests and it went super viral. Intended to be a negative,
but a lot of people were like, hey, good for
those guys. Would you have believed when you were at
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as you and you were at the U of A
that it would ever get to the point where Jewish
students didn't feel comfortable with walking around campus.
Speaker 6 (51:08):
No, And I think that's what's so scary right now.
Clay is how aggressively Marxists are. And I've always been saying,
what it's kind of an unusual alliance that's happening right now.
Right you see these I mean these people have purple hair,
pink hair, they don't know what gender they are. They're
flying this LGBTQ flag along with hes Bolas flags and
Palestinian flag, which is unusual, right, But this is what
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Marxism is. It's stilled as contradictions. They're using the universities
as their training camps. They're using the media as their
propaganda arm, and they're using radical Islamis b l M
and Antifa as their military wing. So you know, in
combination of all those three things, it's a recipe for disaster.
And what's you know, I applaud ASU and U of
A has been cracking down a lot more aggressively than
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other schools. And if you saw the frat boys at ASU,
it was almost sanctioned by the university. Actually, the police,
the undercover police are basically telling hey, go do the go,
do the dirty work for us. So I'm it's good
to see that strong people. You know, courage is contagious, Clay,
and I think that's what's important. We have to stand
for truth. We have to protect you know, these you
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know we keep saying jewishuits, but these are American suits.
I mean, these are our fellow Americans. And imagine if
the the same was in reverse, where you've saw people
in his jobs not allowed to go to campus classrooms.
You know, everybody's been being an up war. So we
have to we have to be fair. We have to
you know, protect our Jewish American students, and uh, you
know in Congress.
Speaker 4 (52:32):
What I want to do.
Speaker 6 (52:32):
I'm want to start going after the universities. They're taking
all this money from Qatar, China, the Emirates, and that's
the problem right now, is that our universities are captured
by foreign countries.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
We're talking to Abe. I'm gonna get you right now.
Your name correctly here, Hammaday. You can correct me if
I'm mispronouncing. One of the things that I do on
the show all the time, Abe is mispronounced everybody's name.
I think I have the worst phonetics on the planet.
So hopefully I'm getting that right. I want you to
dive into because you know better than anybody what's going
on in Arizona. I'm sitting here in Tennessee. Buck is
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usually down in Florida, and I'm concerned that in twenty
twenty four, the election's gonna come down to a few
thousand votes in Arizona. And we saw what happened in
twenty twenty where it felt like it took a month
to figure out what the vote tally was going to be.
You know better than anybody, I would say, almost in
the entire country in twenty twenty two. You can tell
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the audience that may not be aware how minimal the
gap was between you being the Attorney general of Arizona
and you not and all of the issues, particularly Americopa County,
but certainly in other parts of Arizona as well. Should
we non Arizonas but I'm sure Arizonas certainly want this
as well. But for people outside, have you guys fixed
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the election related issues? Are you confident that in twenty
twenty four, we talked to carry Lake a couple days ago,
you know this, tell us your attorney general experience in
that race and what happened, and should we be confident
at all in process in Arizona?
Speaker 6 (54:02):
Yeah, Well, that's a great question. And you're pronouncing my
name correctly, Clay and I don't have an easy name
like you at two first names.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
I've actually got three Richard, Clay, Travis, And yes, that
causes its own issues, but yeah, tell us about the
attorney general process.
Speaker 6 (54:17):
Absolutely so. In twenty twenty two here in Arizona, we
all saw what happened with those machines going down. Ultimately,
you know, I supposedly lost my race by two hundred
and eighty votes out of two point five million, the
closest race in Arizona history, Clay. And there's still nine
thousand uncounted ballots from election day. And what's interesting about
that is a lot of these ballots that were not
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counted are actually legitimate ballots. One of them is the
husband of a state senator who's an Army veterans for
thirty years. Imagine his vote did not count, it was counted.
They classified as a provisional ballot. So and we overwhelmingly
won election day votes. That's why those machines were targeted.
I believe they were targeted, and they went down in
my congressional district that I'm running, and it was hit
the hardest, and it was a very Republican area with
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the most amount of seniors in the entire state, and
those you know, those people can't wait in line for
that law. And I tell people that I am not
confident about what's going to happen. I'm only confident that
me and Terry Lake have been exposing all of this
here in Arizona. But unfortunately, the same people who ran
twenty twenty, in twenty twenty two in Arizona are still
in charge. However, I think a lot of these lawsuits,
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you know, there has been good momentum with it. We
have a strong RNC chairwoman, We have a strong Arizona
Republican Party chairwoman who's excellent on election integrity. So at
least we're vigilant now, but we have to be guarded
of course. But you know, with President Trump, I think
they're worried right now. Clay, in twenty twenty, the biggest
difference was there wasn't this rise of third parties. If
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you remember, the Green Party was not on the ballot,
RFK Junior was not about. So now you have this
combination of all these third parties. So I think it
becomes more difficult for the left to positively cheat in
this election. I tell folks, you know, how they're doing,
how they're rigging our elections, not just the voter roles.
It's not just the machines with the you know, going
down death by a thousand cuts. And that's something that
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I've learned over the past two years, and that's why
I'm so excited. You know, I've endorsed by President Trump
and Kerry Lake because they know I'm a strong fighter.
I don't back down from this corruption. So when I
go to Washington, DC, it's going to be one of
my top priorities. But my race is July thirtieth, and
when I win my primary, it's a very Republican district.
I'm going to make sure we recapture the Senate by
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getting Carry Lake elected, and we take back the White
House by getting President Trump elected. Because this is a
do or dielection. Everybody recognizes it. And Arizona, You're right,
it was the closest state in the country and now
it's being headed by these Democrats and unfortunately some of
these weak need Republicans who don't want to acknowledge what's happening.
But look at just yesterday in Texas, a judge literally
just ordered a new election for twenty twenty two. I
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don't know if you saw that. But you know, people
are starting to take election integrity much more seriously now,
and I think that's a good thing. We have to
really focus on it when we get to Washington, DC.
Speaker 4 (57:00):
AB.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
Appreciate the time. Two hundred and eighty votes. I can't
even imagine what that's like. We're rooting for you guys
all to take back Arizona, flip it back a red
and help to restore some sanity in the country. Appreciate
the time.
Speaker 4 (57:13):
Thanks, So La Clay, I want.
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Welcome in. I hope all of you are having fantastic
Thursdays wherever you may be across this great country or
around the world. We are here to make the next
three hours as enjoyable and informative as we possibly can.
Thank you all for hanging out with us. Give me
a little bit of a roadmap. Tulsea Gabbert is going
to join us at two. She has got a new
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book out. We've had her on a couple of times.
She is in the running to potentially be Trump's vice president,
but also maybe as well in his cabinet. We will
talk with her. We'll also talk Arizona politics at two
thirty with abe Hagadah, who is running out there for
a congressional seat. So that is where we are headed.
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In the third hour of the program. Buck is out today.
He is traveling. We have got a massive day of
outside of studio promotional related activities that will be taking
place all over the city of Nashville. So he is
in the air, I believe, as I am speaking to
you right now, en route to Nashville, this probably doesn't
surprise a lot of you, but there are many things
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that are involved in doing this show that don't actually
occur during the three hours between twelve and three eastern
and nine am and noon on the West coast every
single day. And by the way, soon we're going to
have an announcement about going over five hundred affiliate stations
out there, which is a pretty incredible accomplishment and thanks
to many of you. But I am fired up this morning,
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this afternoon, wherever you may be across the country, I
guess it's just hit the afternoon on the East Coast,
still morning everywhere else. Harrison Butker is a guy that
a lot of you are not going to know at all.
He's a Kansas City Chiefs kicker. He is instrumental in
Kansas City, having won several Super Bowls here during the
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Patrick Mahomes era. And he's an outspoken Catholic and he
was asked to give a commencement address at a Catholic
university and he gave that commencement address. And the outrage
has been building for multiple days now as the left
has decided that his opinions are unacceptable for a football
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player to have. Mind you, I'm going to play some
of these clips and I think it's important for you
guys to hear them, and then I'm going to use
them as a platform to discuss what I see as
a huge amount of people in media and on social
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media and in American life in general who talk left
but live right. That is, they embrace all left wing
values publicly, but in their own private lives they actually
live by the values of the right. They are being
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fundamentally dishonest in the way they live their lifestyle and
the way they publicly espouse opinions compared to what they
do in their own private lives. And I'm going to
talk about that. I think this is so illustrative of
that gap. But let's begin by just letting all of
you hear what Harrison Butker said. And so you know,
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earlier this morning, the NFL condemned Harrison Butker's comments in
this commencement address, and last night Kansas City, the official
Twitter account of Kansas City doxed Harrison Butker based on
the neighborhood he lives in Kansas City. They later deleted
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it and apologized. But I want you to actually hear
what he said so you can understand how fundamentally dishonest
this all is. By the way, the NFL that it's
vice president of diversity, equity and inclusion. Of course, the
Dei stooges who destroy every institution from the inside. They
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had him speak out against this. But I just want
to play the clips because I always think it's important
to not just talk about the controversy, but to understand
from which the controversy has arisen. That is what was
actually said. We played a little bit of this for
you yesterday as we finished the program, but I want
to start here with cut twenty five that we finished
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the show with yesterday. This is receiving a lot of attention,
but Kerk talks about his wife and how important she
has been to his family's success. This is considered controversial.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Listen, I want to speak directly to you briefly because
I think it is you the women who have had
the most diabolical lies told to you. How many of
you are sitting here now about to cross this stage
and are thinking about all the promotions and titles you
are going to get in your career. Some of you
may go on to leeds successful careers in the world,
but I would venture to guess that the majority of
you are most excited about your marriage and the children
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you will bring into this world. I can tell you
that my beautiful wife, Isabelle, would be the first to
say that her life truly started when she began living
her vocation as a wife and as a mother. I'm
on this stage today and able to be the man
I am because I have a wife who leans into
her vocation. I'm beyond blessed with the many talents God
has given me. But it cannot be overstated that all
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of my success is made possible because a girl I
met in band class back in middle school would convert
to the faith, become my wife, and embrace one of
the most important titles of all holemaker.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
That is a man, in his most public statement, probably
of his life, professing that the reason he's become a
success is because of the good fortune he's had to
meet his wife and that they now are able to
share a family together. That's considered controversial. The NFL just
condemned that. To my knowledge, the NFL doesn't come out
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and condemn wife beating. By and large, the NFL doesn't
come out and condemn drunk driving very often, if ever,
to my knowledge, the NFL has never even condemned anybody
else's private political opinion on any issue. Harrison Butker brought
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to tears talking about his wife's contribution to their family
and the most public speech that he will probably give
in his life is worthy of condemnation by the NFL.
What's going on here? What's really going on? Because I'm
going to play a couple of other cuts, but I
want to start with this one. I mentioned Live Talk left,
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Live right. What does that mean? That's what the NFL
is doing when they're attacking Harrison Butker. I can speak
to all of you about the fact that I've been
married for almost twenty years. In August, I'm gonna have
been married for twenty years. I've got three boys, as
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you guys all know, sixteen, thirteen, nine, tenth grade, seventh grade,
third grade. When I had my first two. When we
had our first two kids, it was an incredible struggle.
Both of us worked full time. It was an incredible
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struggle to raise those kids, even with help from my parents.
I would start off most mornings was running out Kick,
the site that I sold three years ago, was doing
daily radio. My wife would get up around five am.
She's a guidance counselor at a local high school here
in the Nashville area. She would leave go to the
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gym to work out early in the morning, and then
go straight to her high school. High schools obviously start
early in the morning. I would get up with our
two year old and our baby boy. I would get
both of them ready, get them dressed, feed the morning bottle,
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get them all geared up, and I would take them
to daycare, the very middle class daycare, a middle class
daycare that I think a lot of you are going
to understand because you're dealing with issues like this, or
your grandkids and your kids are dealing with issues like these.
Middle class daycare cost me more than college tuition would
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have at the University of Tennessee. Nearly my wife's entire
salary as a school guidance counselor here in the public
schools in Tennessee was eaten up by what it cost
to put an infant and a two year old into daycare.
My wife would work all day. She would come pick
them up in the afternoon. I would work all day,
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I would write, then I would go do radio, and
then we were together in the evenings. I'm speaking on
both of our behalves. My wife would tell you that
she was miserable. She got to be around her baby
for only a few hours every day. She got to
be around her two year old for only a few
hours every day. A lot of you have had that struggle.
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I would imagine it's far more difficult for women than
for men. But I personally felt like a huge failure
as a dad because I wasn't able to make enough
to allow my family to not have to be a
dual income household. Now, look, I was raised in a
dual income household. My wife is a law school graduate.
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She's got a graduate degree from Vanderbilt. I loved the
idea of everybody pursuing education to the highest of their ability.
And some of you listening right now may well be
men whose wives make more money. So I'm trying to
say that this has to be entirely a gender based discussion.
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But when I finally started to have more success in
my career and I could allow us to become a
one income family, a one full time working family, our
life got one thousand percent better, not a little bit better,
one thousand percent better. I think the kids are far
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better off. That was a luxury that we were finally
able to achieve. And even now, I will say if
I could go back in time and do anything. I
would like to donate money to myself so that my
wife never had to work once we had kids. Now,
I'm not criticizing anybody out there that's a single parent
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or both parents having to work. I've been through all
of those challenges. I didn't make over forty thousand dollars
a year until I was in my thirties. So look,
I know how difficult it can be and how many
of you have to have two income households, especially in
this Joe Biden economy where everything costs way more than
it should. But the idea that Harrison Butker, who is
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successful enough to make millions of dollars as he says
in his career, would be criticized for bragging about his
wife's ability to help their family grow, I think is
an incredible insult. And worse than that, I think it's
incredibly dishonest because I think every parent out there listening
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to me right now, just about at some point in time,
if you have multiple young kids, has thought, boy, I
wish we made enough money so only one of us
had to work. Now, I understand that is an aspirational
goal for many people. It was an aspirational goal for
me personally. I just said I felt like a failure
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as a dad that my wife had to work when
she didn't want to work, when she would have preferred
to stay home with our kids. I'm not saying you
both can't work if you love your jobs and you
find that to be personally fulfilling. I'm not saying that
people always feel like they're being attacked, but most parents,
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deep down have thought to themselves, I'd like to have
a one parent household where one parent can work and
the other one can focus one hundred percent on the kids.
That is an aspirational goal. You know who does that,
huge percentages of pro athletes, because they make millions of
dollars a year and they can be fortunate to have
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a wife who stays home. What's really going on when
the NFL is condemning what Harrison Butker said. I'm going
to play some more cuts from it, because I think
this is a big story. What's really going on is
a direct attack on gender itself. They are trying to
attack the idea that men and women can have different roles,
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and that biology is real and that there is in
fact a benefit to a two parent household than that
oftentimes kids benefit if possible, by one parent as the
primary caregiver. This isn't a radical idea. This is an
aspirational value that all of you understand, and yet Harrison
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Butker is being attacked for actually embracing it and tearfully
praising his wife in the most public address he'll give.
Harrison Butker, in terms of criticism, would have been far
better off getting accused of sexual assault than to actually
say his family has benefited from his wife staying home
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and helping to raise the kids. Think about how crazy
that is. The NFL wouldn't have condemned him publicly, probably
if he'd been accused of sexual assaultaut but crying during
a commencement address and praising his wife for helping to
raise their kids, that's not acceptable. I'm gonna take some
of your calls eight hundred and two two two eight
A two, and I want to play a couple more
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of these cuts because I think it's important for you
to actually hear what's considered controversial in America today. I
always make jokes about this, but it's true. Every article
about me that's been written in the last decade describes
me as controversial, and I always say I think I'm
the least controversial person on the planet. I really mean that.
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I don't even think I have a crazy controversial opinion
in terms of society at large. I think we just
live in such a profoundly inauthentic and dishonest era that
when you actually say the truth, there are so few
people who are willing to say it that it's greeted
as if it's controversy. And that is I think what's
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One truth revealed after another Clay Travis and buck Sexton.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Welcome back in Clay Travis, buck Sexton show. We're talking
about the massive controversy that has come from Harrison Bucker
praising his wife for staying home with their kids in
saying that she is a huge backbone of his success.
Amber Duke has tweeted this out. I shared it. I
think we retweeted it from Clay and Buck. I thought
(16:53):
it's so well said here. I'm going to read her
post on Twitter. What's so infuriating about the backlash to
Harrison Butker's commencement speech is he did not say women
have to stay in the kitchen or whatever other false
pejoratives people have projected onto his comments. He was very
clear that many of the women in the audience would
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go on to have fruitful and satisfying careers, but for
most women, they will be happier focusing on family. This
is a fact. Married mothers are happier than any other
cohort of women Today. Women are waiting longer to get
married and have children. Many are opting out of the
process entirely, having been convinced they don't need a man
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or that children will ruin their lives. It's not a
coincidence that young women today are facing a mental health
crisis like nothing we've ever seen before. I thought that
was really really well said by her. Now I want
to play a couple of more cuts. You remember when
I said how controversial I'm considered to be? Now suddenly
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butker is super controversial. And then I always push back
whenever a media outlet is doing a story on me
and they say, well, you're really controversial, I say, Okay,
what do I believe that you actually think is controversial?
Is believing that women's athletics should only be played by women?
Controversial maybe because there's so many cowards out there in
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the world of sports who won't say it. Is believing
that kids do better in a two parent household if
one parent can stay home and focus entirely on the kids.
Is that actually really controversial?
Speaker 4 (18:37):
That is?
Speaker 1 (18:37):
That is I believe something that almost every man and
woman with a multiple children, for sure in America today
would aspire to. And I'm not saying, by the way,
that it has to be the woman who stays home.
Some women out there make way more money than the men.
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If you start looking around and you're a man and
you're making thirty five thousand dollars a year and your
wife is making a half million, dollars a year, and
you're paying sixty thousand dollars for childcare. It's not crazy
to think, you know, maybe I could be the stay
at home person. You know, my mom worked. She took
off seven years when my sister and I were born,
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and then she worked. My grandma worked. My grandma was
a school teacher in Georgia. She drove from Chattanooga, Tennessee,
down to Georgia because they paid better in Georgia. That
was kind of unheard of. Then my grandfather worked in
the combustion factory down there. She said. My grandfather worked
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for a living, and she worked to make life worth living.
I think there are a lot of women out there
and a lot of men out there that understand that,
and they wish they lived in a better economic situation
such that prices weren't skyri bucketing and everybody didn't have
to work. If you're fortunate enough to be in a
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position where you can have one parent not have to work,
it's an incredible luxury. I personally, I tell you I
felt awful when I was dropping my kids off at
school because I wasn't successful enough as a man to
be able to have my wife not need to work,
not need to work. Okay, people can still choose to work.
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What we've gotten in this country is so soft that
if somebody says, hey, I've got advice, it's a freaking
commencement address where you go and give life advice to
younger people if they have a different worldview than you,
that's not an attack on you. If you want to
hire eight nannies and you and your spouse want to
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work eighty hours a week, both you can do it.
I would suggest that your kids probably statistically are not
going to be as good off ultimately as they would
be if they had their actual parents helping them. And
I understand that some of you are single parents and
you really don't have the luxury. It's not an attack
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on single parenthood to say kids in general do better
with two parents. Sometimes that's not true. Barack Obama and
Bill Clinton were both raised by single women. They ended
up president of the United States. But as a general nature,
people always respond to general natures by saying, well, that's
not true. No, no, your anecdote might not reflect the
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larger society, but doesn't mean the larger society. Example, isn't
true if I said men are generally taller than women.
Would you all email and be like, well, that's not true.
I'm taller than my husband. Okay, your husband may be
shorter than normal. You might be a super tall woman.
It doesn't change the fact that men are generally taller
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than women. Your anecdote doesn't repeat. You eight the overall
larger story. You might be the outlier. I want to play, though,
give credit to Whoopi Goldberg absolutely nailing it there. I
want to play more of the incredibly controversial Harrison Butker
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Catholic College address. All right, I want you to hear
what is considered to be completely unacceptable, so much so
that the NFL has to condemn this. What did Harrison
Butker actually say? Well, I played when he almost started
crying talking about how much he loved his wife and
how impressive and important her contribution to their family had been.
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Here he is saying gender ideology is a real issue,
and he went after Joe Biden. This is his personal
political opinion. Cut twenty six.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Our own nation is led by a man who publicly
and proudly proclaims his Catholic faith, but at the same
time is delusional enough to make this to the cross
during a pro abortion rally. From the man behind the
COVID lockdowns to the people pushing dangerous gender ideologies onto
the youth of America, they all have a glaring thing
in common.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
They are Catholic.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
This is an important reminder that being Catholic alone doesn't
cut it. These are the sorts of things we are
told in polite society to not bring up, you know,
the difficult and unpleasant things. But if we're going to
be men and women for this time in history, we
need to stop pretending that the Church of Nice is
a winning proposition.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Boom, I mean Buck is Catholic. Buck's not on today
because we got a bunch of stuff we're doing outside
of the show, and he's traveling today. Buck might end
up with a Harrison Butker Jersey before all is said
had done, because he believes a ton of this stuff.
He's Catholic. I don't know that he's even heard these
all these clips yet, but after we played the one
yesterday he was like, oh man, I'm fired up about this. Uh,
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listen to another one. Everybody's talking about what Harrison Bucker
said about the incredible contributions of his wife to their family.
But he also called out men who have allowed themselves
to be emasculated by modern culture. Listen to Cut twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
To the gentleman here today, part of what plagues our
society is this lie that has been told to you
that men are not necessary in the home or in
our communities. As men, we set the tone of the culture,
and when that is absent, disorder, dysfunction, and chaos set in.
This absence of men in the home is what plays
a large role in the violence we see all around
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the nation. Other countries do not have nearly the same
absentee father rates as we find here in the US,
and a correlation could be made in their drastically lower
violence rates as well. Be unapologetic in your masculinity, fighting
against the cultural emasculation of men. Do hard things, never
settle for what is easy.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
I mean that's controversial. Of course it isn't. And I
think and I hope that so many young people in
America are realizing to what extent they have been lied to.
Social media is the most artificial construct that has ever
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existed in most of our lives. Thirty percent of women
have thought about teenage girls have thought about killing themselves
in the last year thirty percent. Does that sound like
a society to you that is doing well? If you
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have a teenage girl in your family, there is nearly
a one in three chance that she's thought about killing
herself in the last year. Does that seem like a
society that's telling women really constructive, healthy things. Of course
not yet if you actually address it and try to
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come up with a solution. Oh, it's controversial, Harrison, Butker
didn't say to the graduates there, hey, fail in your
careers and go get barefoot and pregnant and stay in
the kitchen. He said something that I think most people
recognize men and women. Career success is fleeting. It is,
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and I say that to you on the biggest radio
show in the country, having sold my multimedia company for
one hundred million dollars. What I care about is my
three boys. They're what is going to be my legacy, cars, houses, success,
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material things. None of them last. There's nothing wrong with
being ambitious and pursuing success and embracing capitalism with every
fiber of your being to advance your family. I believe
in all of those things, but without a foundational goal,
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it's very empty, and so I think a lot of
people out there recognize this at some point in their career.
There's a reason why on your deathbed, nobody says, boy,
you know what, I really wish I could have gotten
that vice president title in my corporation. That would have
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really made me feel better. Here as I'm about to die,
nobody says that you ever hear anybody say that you're
eighty five years old. You're on your deathbed, boy, that
VP that would have made me the seventy sixth most
important person in a moderately successful corporation. Boy, I just
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wish i'd really grasp that brass ring. What are your
regrets in life? Well, I was the eighty sixth most
important person at my company. If I'd really done a
lot better, I could have been the seventy fourth. I
don't think a lot of people say that we've lost
grip on what legacy and success is. And this is
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why I'm so fired up. And sometimes I feel like
I'm screaming at the clouds and nobody else. I'm the
old man shaking his fist at the clouds. This is
why nobody's having babies, This is why humanity's population is collapsing.
Having kids can be hard, raising them can be hard.
It's incredibly gratifying. A lot of people don't want to
do hard things anymore. A lot of people in America
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and around the world don't want to do hard things,
and as a result, humanity's collapsing. Everybody's always talking about
global warming. Oh my goodness. I don't worry at all
about the temperature of the Earth. I worry about whether
there's going to be humans on it. If you want
to talk about existential threats to society, go look at
the ground. Once women stop having two point two children
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per woman, the population in the world collapses in a hurry.
And I think the fact that hardly anyone is addressing it,
or it's considered controversial if you even mentioned gender roles,
is a bigger reason why a lot of women don't
like men and a lot of men don't like women
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right now. And I think a lot of it has
to do with gender roles. You know, women get sixty
percent of all college graduate degrees. Now they can't find
men that have the same educational level as them. They're unhappy.
Men can't find women who want to have a baby,
They're unhappy. I saw stat the other day some places
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thirty percent of thirty year old men are virgins thirty percent.
They made the movie The Forty year Old Virgin to
mock the fact that that could have ever happened. Now
men can't even have sex anymore. Women don't like him,
men don't like the whole construct of society is collapsing,
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and I feel like many people out there are narrow
with the violin in Rome, watching as everything burns down,
actually concerned about things that don't go to the root
causes of our cultural collapse. But anyway, I tend to
be an optimist, but when I see this reaction to
Harrison Budker, I think it's important that people actually take
up verbal arms and actually defend him, because what he's saying,
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what do you actually disagree with? Maybe there's people out
there who disagree with something that he said, that's fine,
But did anything that he said actually even approach the
possibility of controversy? In my mind, the fact that this
is considered controversial is why so much of American society
is falling apart. We've conflatednversy and truth. Hard truths aren't
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allowed to be spoken in this country anymore because some
people's feelings are going to be hurt and as a result,
the whole country goes to hell. I don't really care
if your feelings are hurt. My goal in life is
not to avoid hurting your feelings. If that happens, I
grow up. Remember we used to say sticks and stones
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may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.
Now all we do is focus on words over actions.
I said it, Harrison Bucker would have been better off
being accused of sexual assault or getting a DUI than
he would be to tear up praising his wife for
being a homemaker. It's crazy. We're in an upside down world,
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Speaker 1 (33:06):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. As we were rolling
through the third hour of the program. Buck'll be back tomorrow.
He's traveling. We have a photo shoot. Don't even get
me started on the three hour photo shoot that we have.
I didn't pick out my clothes. I wonder if Buck
picked out his My wife doesn't trust me to pick
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out my own clothes to get my photos taken, So
that probably gives you a good sense of my fashion sense.
As I'm sitting here in a T shirt and shorts
doing the show, Tulsi Gabbert joins us. Now, Tulsi, do
you pick out your own clothes for photo shoots or
do you have a stylist? Do you think you have
good style? My wife has no faith in my style.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
I'm laughing as I was hearing you say that I
don't have a stylist, but generally, if I'm doing something
fancy like that, I will ask my husband, and I
trust his case far more than I trust my own.
I'm sitting here in workout clothes as I'm talking to
you today, so we're good.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
So let me ask you this. How long have you
been married?
Speaker 4 (34:08):
We just celebrated our ninth anniversary.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Congratulations, We're about to celebrate twenty. My wife for twenty
years has asked me what should I wear to an event?
And for twenty years I've had no idea what to
tell her. Does your husband give you good advice on
what to wear new events? I mean, it's actually kind
of curious because you have so many formal events I
would imagine and things to go to, Like the whole
(34:31):
concept of what to wear to things for women, I
have no idea.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
It's a real problem. It's a real problem, Clay. I
am of the mindset that in you in a twenty
four hour period, and maybe you can relate. We have
a lot of decisions to make just in the course
of a day everything you know, what am I gonna
have for breakfast or what to far more serious things,
and so for me, I like to minimize the decisions
(34:55):
about what I wear to be as simple as possible
as why men. One of the reasons that's why when
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is the easiest thing. So I just I keep it
very simple. So if I have to break out of
my normal rotation of three suits or blazers that I use,
I do ask my husband. He has he has great
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tastes in just being able to tell like I don't know,
he has never steered me wrong. He's a cinematographer, he's
a musician, so he uses a different side of the
brain than I do. And it's always, you know, I
just go for clean, classy and simple, and he is
on the mark anytime I have any question at all.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Talsea Gabbert always finally dressed for the per appropriate thanks
to her husband having great taste. All right, let's dive
into this CBS News supposedly VP debate July twenty third,
August thirteenth. They haven't set a date officially yet. How
bad do you think you would massacre Kamala Harris if
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you got the opportunity to go head to head against
her in a vice presidential debate? And how much, based
on your experience in the twenty twenty race, would you
relish that opportunity? Be honest, is there anybody you would
rather of this orrate in a debate than Kamala Harris?
Speaker 4 (36:16):
You know I'm not one to hold personal grudges. However,
I can say, based on the experience I had in
our interaction on a debate stage in twenty twenty, and
how surprised I was that her lack of preparedness to
address her own record that she was running on during
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her presidential campaign. She was proud of her record, and
yet asking her some very simple questions about that record
completely blew her cover and showed how ill prepared she was,
and that has only been reaffirmed throughout her tenure as
Vice president. So I would love to have the opportunity
to go toe to tode with her on a debate stage.
(37:00):
There is not a lack of material to address given
the substance of the failures of both President Biden and
Vice President Kamala Harris in their positions.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Doesn't it speak to how bad she is that, despite
the fact that Joe Biden is objectively I think it's
fair to say, the worst president in most of our lives,
they are terrified at eighty two year old Joe Biden
stepping down because it would mean they would have to
elevate Kamala Harris, who has managed to somehow be worse
(37:33):
than Joe Biden despite the fact that he's the worst
president ever. I mean, that really kind of sums up
the awfulness of their combination, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
It does, and it it points to the lack of
judgment obviously in President Biden knows around him. For him
to make a decision that he stated from the outset
would be purely based on identity politics reveals the failure
of that whole That whole premise. I think the other
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thing that just came to mind, given.
Speaker 5 (38:05):
Their identity politics, is is I know this because it's
the excuse Kamala Harris uses every time anyone in the
media dares to point out her failures and her lack
of preparedness.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Is she says, well, you know they are racist or
they are sexist. If I am going toe to toe
with her as a quote unquote woman of color on
the debate stage, I don't know how she uses that
as an excuse to cover up her inadequacy and her
in her lack of qualification to serve in the current
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position that she's in and to be literally one breath
away from the presidency.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
We're talking to Tulsea Gabbard, four term congresswoman, combat veteran
currently serving as a lieutenant colonel in the US Army Reserve,
and she has a best selling book for Love of Country,
which you'd encourage you guys to go check out. Tulsa.
You grew up in Hawaii. I believe believe you are
a big surfer. I think we've talked about this before.
Would you have ever believed that men would be able
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to identify as women and compete in Surfing Championships to
win women Surfing championships as a woman who has grown
up surfing all over Hawaii. If you and I are
around the same age, if I had told you that
was going to happen in two thousand and three, two
thousand and four, twenty years ago, I think you would
have told me that I was crazy, and maybe I
(39:31):
would have agreed to make that argument. But now it's
democrat standard orthodoxy. How do we get here?
Speaker 4 (39:37):
It is? It's literal insanity, and I dedicate a whole
chapter in my book specifically to this topic, both because
of what the consequence is. I've spoken with a few
of the women who are currently on the World Surfing
Circuit Tour and then expressing their frustrations because not only
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is it completely unfair, there are two different divisions for
a reason. The physical capability of male surfers to be
able to paddle into some of the biggest waves in
the world is just different from the women. These women
are excellent beyond you know, I'm like I'm like in
kindergarten as a surfer compared to what these women are
doing and dominating around the world. However, they are different
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for a reason, and if they speak up about it,
they will immediately see their sponsorships canceled and perhaps be
kicked off the tour. We see this because it happened
to Bethany Hamilton. You know, she had her arm bid
off as a child, and so as a one armed
surfing woman, she is still going out and competing and
doing things that I define.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Me pause here for a moment with you, because I
want the Bethany Hamilton's story to me is so amazing.
If I ever got attacked by a shark, because I
think that's how she lost her arm, right as a surfer,
she was attacked by a shark. If a shark ever
bid me, if I had the tiniest little cut, ever,
I'm not sure I would ever go in the ocean again.
Can you imagine the bravery that it takes to lose
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an arm to a shark and then get better and
go back out into the ocean with only one arm
to try to catch waves. I mean to me, that
is a bravery that's unparalleled in terms of athletics. And
she's speaking out and saying, hey, there's a big difference
between men and women, and it's like she's not even
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being paid attention to by many.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
People she's not and worse, she's being retaliate against. And
you're absolutely right. I mean her courage and bravery as
she was healing from, you know, the shark bit off
her arm very close to her shoulder, so there's nothing
there really to work with. She doesn't use a prosthetic
when she's paddling. I don't even know if that's a
viable thing. But she was eager. I think she was
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twelve years old when this happened. She was eager. It's
amazing in the water to pursue her passion and really
what I respect in her and her story. It's powerful
for so many reasons. But as you look at the
cur she exhibited them and you look at the courage
she exhibits now as a mom of I think three
kids now competing in incredible ways around the world. When
(42:10):
she just stood up and said men should not be
competing against women in surfing, her decades long sponsor immediately
canceled their sponsorship for her, which is a way to
earn her livelihood to help support her family. And there's
a thing on International Women's Day that's become a tradition
in surfing where the male surfers. As they're competing, they
(42:32):
choose the name of a woman they admire and put
it on their jersey. In these past couple of years,
multiple male competitors chose Bethany Hamilton as the woman they
most admire. And after Bethany Hamilton made that statement, the
World Surf League would not allow her name on these
(42:53):
men's jersey. Unbelievable, Like four or five of them wanted
to feature her, admire her, applaud or champion her, and
they said, no, you are not allowed to have this woman,
this specific woman's name on your jersey. I give her
so much credit because she is continuing to stand up
and speak out for free speech and for equality for
women and girls and protecting women and girls in surfing,
(43:17):
in all sports. And I hope that more women are
willing to do the same, and men for that matter.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
I think this is important. I think I asked you
this the last time you were on your in consideration
potentially to be vice president or to be involved in
the cabinet. You and I have a similar political evolution.
You were a Democrat. I voted for Democrats, I worked
for Democrats, and then I finally just looked around starting
about six seven years ago in real earnest and said,
(43:47):
Democrats have lost their minds, and I haven't really changed.
I still believe pretty much the same thing I always have,
but I'm now considered to be a right winger. And
as I talked earlier, people say, oh, I'm super controversial
because I say things like, you know, men's sports should
only be made up of men, and women's sports should
only be made up of women. I think there are
tens of millions of people out there, like you and me,
(44:10):
who are persuadable to recognize that things are broken in
this country. They need to be fixed, and much of
the breaking is being done by the left wing in
this country. How many people do you think are out
there persuadable and how do you think they respond to
you when you make that argument?
Speaker 4 (44:28):
Oh gosh, I mean millions to tens of millions of
people at at a minimum. You know, my evidence is
purely anecdotal at this point. But I live out of
a suitcase, and I travel across the country, and I
meet people and hear from people every single day who
say the same thing that you just said, who resonate
deeply with my experience. In your experience who are now
(44:50):
being called conservatives or right wing Republicans simply for standing
up and stating what is obvious in objective truth of
biology between the different this between a man and a
woman standing up and saying that the government should not
be censoring speech. Free speech is free speech in America.
That the government shouldn't be weaponizing its institutions against its
(45:11):
political opponents. That our streets should be safe and our
police should be allowed to do their jobs, our borders
should be secure. These things are not radical ideas, they
are fundamentally American ideals. And I specifically focused in my
books about each chapter dedicated to one of these major
(45:33):
fundamental principles. And this is where I see hope and
opportunity in this election, and where I've experienced my ability
to connect with people and let them know, hey, it's
not only okay for you to walk away from the
craziness of the Democratic Party, but we must seize this
(45:54):
moment as Americans and fulfill our responsibility as citizens to
save our country and to defend our freedom and make
sure we send President Biden and Kamala Harris packing on
election day.
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Speaker 1 (47:49):
We were heading out to Arizona right now, where we're
going to be joined right now by Abe Hammada, who
is running for Congress out in Arizona, battleground state. And
I want to start with this. I'm going to get
into the Attorney General of Arizona race with you here
in a sec. But first, you were a prosecutor. I'm
sure you've been paying some attention to the Trump case
(48:11):
in New York City that Alvin Bragg brought as a prosecutor.
How would you analyze the case? So far from your perspective, They're.
Speaker 6 (48:22):
Gonna be with you. Well, if you look at this,
you know, people always ask me about my legal analysis
on this case, and quite frankly, it's kind of difficult
to do that because I think all of us can
recognize what is happening. It's a political witch hunt. The
case involved, you know, federal issues of election law that
was declined way back in twenty seventeen. But Alvin Bragg
(48:43):
what he did he brought the third highest ranking member
of the Department of Justice to be this prosecutor on
this case. So I'm a former prosecutor Clay, and I
am ashamed of the legal system. And if you're looking,
it's not just in New York with this one case.
You see Letitia James, Fanny will, as you have Chris
May's out here in Arizona. Then you had Jack Smith.
(49:04):
And what really concerns me is these are attorneys who
are in their forties, fifties, and sixties who are this
radicalized with this Marx societeology. What concerns me is this
new crop that's coming out of the universities, how committed
they are going to be to destroying our country in
the rule of law. So you know, this is this
is why Trump passed to win. And I know the
jury pool is very heavily favored in terms of the prosecution,
(49:27):
just because it was overwhelmingly for Joe Biden. But if
you look at Michael Cohen's testimony, he's a convicted liar
multiple times.
Speaker 4 (49:34):
And I think the defense is doing an.
Speaker 6 (49:35):
Excellent job on it. But you know, it's hard, but
it's stacked against you so much. But I you know,
we have to pray and hope that the jury does
the right thing. But I think everybody, at least everybody
watching this, if they've seen any trials of this case,
they're they're looking at this as a witch hunt, and
I think has only helped Trump in his election prospects.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
I don't want you to dodge this because you're a politician,
and politicians are good at dodging questions. This is going
to be maybe the most difficult question you get this
whole campaign. You went to Arizona State undergrad, you went
to the University of Arizona for law school. Who do
you root for when Arizona and Arizona State play and
a tie. And by the way, a tie is not
(50:14):
an acceptable answer at all, sir.
Speaker 4 (50:17):
No, it's not. I'm brutally honest.
Speaker 6 (50:19):
Well, it depends which sport. My brother in law, he
was actually an NBA champion who played at ASU, Jeff Ayres,
So you know, with basketball it's probably ASU. But you know,
typically you of AAD does a lot better, but football
attends to be u OF banned. It really depends on
which sport it is. But I had a good time
at both schools.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
I saw, by the way, that is the typical politician answer. Well,
in football one thing, basketball another, so both sides can
be happy and angry simultaneously. I'm sure you saw the
video of the ASU frat guys clearing up the Palestine
protests and it went super viral. Intended to be a negative,
but a lot of people were like, hey, good for
those guys. Would you have believed when you were at
(50:59):
as you and you were at the U of A
that it would ever get to the point where Jewish
students didn't feel comfortable with walking around campus.
Speaker 6 (51:08):
No, And I think that's what's so scary right now.
Clay is how aggressively Marxists are. And I've always been saying,
what it's kind of an unusual alliance that's happening right now.
Right you see these I mean these people have purple hair,
pink hair, they don't know what gender they are. They're
flying this LGBTQ flag along with hes Bolas flags and
Palestinian flag, which is unusual, right, But this is what
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Marxism is. It's stilled as contradictions. They're using the universities
as their training camps. They're using the media as their
propaganda arm, and they're using radical Islamis b l M
and Antifa as their military wing. So you know, in
combination of all those three things, it's a recipe for disaster.
And what's you know, I applaud ASU and U of
A has been cracking down a lot more aggressively than
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other schools. And if you saw the frat boys at ASU,
it was almost sanctioned by the university. Actually, the police,
the undercover police are basically telling hey, go do the go,
do the dirty work for us. So I'm it's good
to see that strong people. You know, courage is contagious, Clay,
and I think that's what's important. We have to stand
for truth. We have to protect you know, these you
(52:12):
know we keep saying jewishuits, but these are American suits.
I mean, these are our fellow Americans. And imagine if
the the same was in reverse, where you've saw people
in his jobs not allowed to go to campus classrooms.
You know, everybody's been being an up war. So we
have to we have to be fair. We have to
you know, protect our Jewish American students, and uh, you
know in Congress.
Speaker 4 (52:32):
What I want to do.
Speaker 6 (52:32):
I'm want to start going after the universities. They're taking
all this money from Qatar, China, the Emirates, and that's
the problem right now, is that our universities are captured
by foreign countries.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
We're talking to Abe. I'm gonna get you right now.
Your name correctly here, Hammaday. You can correct me if
I'm mispronouncing. One of the things that I do on
the show all the time, Abe is mispronounced everybody's name.
I think I have the worst phonetics on the planet.
So hopefully I'm getting that right. I want you to
dive into because you know better than anybody what's going
on in Arizona. I'm sitting here in Tennessee. Buck is
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usually down in Florida, and I'm concerned that in twenty
twenty four, the election's gonna come down to a few
thousand votes in Arizona. And we saw what happened in
twenty twenty where it felt like it took a month
to figure out what the vote tally was going to be.
You know better than anybody, I would say, almost in
the entire country in twenty twenty two. You can tell
(53:24):
the audience that may not be aware how minimal the
gap was between you being the Attorney general of Arizona
and you not and all of the issues, particularly Americopa County,
but certainly in other parts of Arizona as well. Should
we non Arizonas but I'm sure Arizonas certainly want this
as well. But for people outside, have you guys fixed
(53:45):
the election related issues? Are you confident that in twenty
twenty four, we talked to carry Lake a couple days ago,
you know this, tell us your attorney general experience in
that race and what happened, and should we be confident
at all in process in Arizona?
Speaker 6 (54:02):
Yeah, Well, that's a great question. And you're pronouncing my
name correctly, Clay and I don't have an easy name
like you at two first names.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
I've actually got three Richard, Clay, Travis, And yes, that
causes its own issues, but yeah, tell us about the
attorney general process.
Speaker 6 (54:17):
Absolutely so. In twenty twenty two here in Arizona, we
all saw what happened with those machines going down. Ultimately,
you know, I supposedly lost my race by two hundred
and eighty votes out of two point five million, the
closest race in Arizona history, Clay. And there's still nine
thousand uncounted ballots from election day. And what's interesting about
that is a lot of these ballots that were not
(54:38):
counted are actually legitimate ballots. One of them is the
husband of a state senator who's an Army veterans for
thirty years. Imagine his vote did not count, it was counted.
They classified as a provisional ballot. So and we overwhelmingly
won election day votes. That's why those machines were targeted.
I believe they were targeted, and they went down in
my congressional district that I'm running, and it was hit
the hardest, and it was a very Republican area with
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the most amount of seniors in the entire state, and
those you know, those people can't wait in line for
that law. And I tell people that I am not
confident about what's going to happen. I'm only confident that
me and Terry Lake have been exposing all of this
here in Arizona. But unfortunately, the same people who ran
twenty twenty, in twenty twenty two in Arizona are still
in charge. However, I think a lot of these lawsuits,
(55:23):
you know, there has been good momentum with it. We
have a strong RNC chairwoman, We have a strong Arizona
Republican Party chairwoman who's excellent on election integrity. So at
least we're vigilant now, but we have to be guarded
of course. But you know, with President Trump, I think
they're worried right now. Clay, in twenty twenty, the biggest
difference was there wasn't this rise of third parties. If
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you remember, the Green Party was not on the ballot,
RFK Junior was not about. So now you have this
combination of all these third parties. So I think it
becomes more difficult for the left to positively cheat in
this election. I tell folks, you know, how they're doing,
how they're rigging our elections, not just the voter roles.
It's not just the machines with the you know, going
down death by a thousand cuts. And that's something that
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I've learned over the past two years, and that's why
I'm so excited. You know, I've endorsed by President Trump
and Kerry Lake because they know I'm a strong fighter.
I don't back down from this corruption. So when I
go to Washington, DC, it's going to be one of
my top priorities. But my race is July thirtieth, and
when I win my primary, it's a very Republican district.
I'm going to make sure we recapture the Senate by
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getting Carry Lake elected, and we take back the White
House by getting President Trump elected. Because this is a
do or dielection. Everybody recognizes it. And Arizona, You're right,
it was the closest state in the country and now
it's being headed by these Democrats and unfortunately some of
these weak need Republicans who don't want to acknowledge what's happening.
But look at just yesterday in Texas, a judge literally
just ordered a new election for twenty twenty two. I
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don't know if you saw that. But you know, people
are starting to take election integrity much more seriously now,
and I think that's a good thing. We have to
really focus on it when we get to Washington, DC.
Speaker 4 (57:00):
AB.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
Appreciate the time. Two hundred and eighty votes. I can't
even imagine what that's like. We're rooting for you guys
all to take back Arizona, flip it back a red
and help to restore some sanity in the country. Appreciate
the time.
Speaker 4 (57:13):
Thanks, So La Clay, I want.
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