August 14, 2024 • 60 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Wednesday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
kicks off right now, and I'm happy to say that
increasingly I find myself a voice of comfort common reason
for so many of my conservative friends out there. Probably
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not gonna tell anybody names, not going to name the name.
I'm getting people texting me saying, why are you so confident?
How can you be so confident that Trump will win?
And I don't know, just go with my gut. I
feel it, feel it in my bones, I feel it
in my toes, I feel it in my soul. I
believe in Trump. I believe in the movement, and I
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know that right now they're trying so hard to make
everybody out there doubt that Donald Trump can win, and
I will not fall into that trap. We will look
at these numbers, We will look at the data as
it stands now, but also put it in the proper context,
look at the timeline, look at the momentum and what
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lies ahead. This is a show where we take a
deep breath and make sure that we are firmly rooted
in reality. We'll also discuss later on what is the
Harris Walls foreign policy. My friend Bridge called the brilliant
guy and just random side note, I think when Bridge
was at Yale Law School and working in DC for
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the first time, we used to drink together twenty years
ago in DC when I was a young CIA officer.
So here we are decades later and we get to
hang out on the radio and talk to a few
million of our closest friends. It's amazing, what a small
world it is. We've also got unions. Are they union membership,
not the leadership, the membership? Are they starting to go
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for Donald Trump? Cover at New York Post? Five billion
dollars spent on migrants in New York City? Five billions.
That's where we are now. So you have trouble looking
at your gas and food and rent payments and not
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having your eyeballs fall out of your head.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Meanwhile, the taxes, and this is especially.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
For our wo R listeners and NYC, the taxes you
are paying to New York and in the New York
City Metro are being funneled to make sure that illegals
are living in four star hotels with culturally sensitive meals
prepared for them, debit cards handed to them in some
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cases with money on it, and all the rest of it,
and horrible crimes being committed by some of these migrants.
I meant to get to the story yesterday. I'll get
to it today. What happened down in Coney Island. I mean,
I think should be a death penalty offense. Of course
that's not going to happen in New York. But the
violent rape of a woman by two illegals, one of
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whom had already committed a violent sexual assault somehow not
kicked out of the country. You know, I want to
dive into that story. And also another multiple time offender,
this one I believe in the Boston area raped a child,
a girl, young girl, the fourteen years old. I think
it was a fifteen years old and should have been deported,
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wasn't deported. And you will not believe what the Boston
police have done with this guy, despite ice, immigrations and
customs enforcements saying hey, can you hold on to the.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Serial sexual predator.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
We would like to get rid of him from this
country and send him back because he's an illegal.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
What do you think Boston PD did? We're going to
get into all that.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I will never forget our focus here on immigration, illegal
immigration as alongside the debt and the just leviath in
federal government. We have the biggest long term challenge that
the country faces to stay as it is so ed,
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to stay a free republic based on a constitution and
with a shared culture, a shared history.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
And yes, a shared language.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
These are all important, critical things, actually critical building blocks
for our society. And if they kick at the load
bearing walls of our civilization as they are doing without
us pushing.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Back, we all know what will happen.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
But I wanted to get into this now because I'm
happy to calm those who are worried and to tell
them that it's gonna be okay. Trump's gonna win. And
if Trump doesn't win, it's you know, we'll figure that
out too. But I mean, it's gonna be okay. Trump's
gonna win this thing, all right. I have I have
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faith that he's gonna win. He's gonna win solidly.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I think. I'll tell you this. It marked this prediction down.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I think he's gonna beat Kamala Harris by more than
he beat Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen. There you go,
who would have seen that coming, right? Remember what we
felt like in twenty sixteen. I think he will beat
Kamala Harris in the electoral College by a wider margin
than he beat Hillary Clinton. I think that will actually
happen this time. You can call me crazy, you can
call me crazy, but I think that that's possible. Maybe
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that's too bold of a prediction, but I do think
he's gonna win. Maybe I'm walking back my prediction right
now as I'm thinking about the numbers in my head,
but I do think he's gonna win. I believe he's
gonna win, and I think it is rooted in the data.
Let's get into this, Okay. First of all, CNN, Harry Engine. Look,
CNN is doing everything they can to make sure that
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the Harris campaign feels and sounds like it has momentum. Remember,
she's not even really campaigning. The media is campaign for her.
The media's campaigning for her. Now, CNN's data guy said this,
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This was yesterday, and I'm gonna get to what he's
said more recently about this. This is yesterday on CNN
News Central, looking at this New York Times Siena poll.
But I'm here to tell you don't worry about this poll,
all right. I don't want to be clear.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I don't look at the polls every day. Oh, I'm scared.
What are we gonna do? It's gonna be fine.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Here is this guy, Harry Enton talking about Kamala Harris
and how Democrats shouldn't be over confident.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
This is twenty three.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Play it in those states dimensioned, those great Lake battleground states,
Trump was underestimated by nine points on average at this
point in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
How about twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
It wasn't a one off look at this he was
underestimated by five.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Points on average.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
And of course, Kamala Harris's advantage in those New York
Times Santa College poles were four points in each of
these key battleground states Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin. The bottom line
is this, if you have any idea, if you're a
Kamala Harris fan and you want to rip open the
champagne bottle, pop.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
That quirk, do not do it. Donald Trump is very
much in this race.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
If we have a polling shift like we've seen in
prior years from now until the final result, donald Trump
would actually win. I'm not saying that's going to happen,
but I am saying that he is very much in
this ballgame. Based upon where he is right now and
compare that to where he was in prior years.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
He's in a better spot than he's been in in
prior years.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I will say, I retract my He'll beat her by
more than Hillary twenty sixteen. As I'm looking at the
electoral map, I had forgotten I was going off the
cuff there. I had forgotten that Trump ran the table
across the Midwest in twenty sixteen. It was remarkable when
you look back at it this time around. I mean,
I'm trying to think of what he could win this
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time that he didn't win in twenty sixteen. The only
thing that really looks like it could have would be Virginia.
But I think Kama's going to win Virginia. In fact, God,
Kamala maybe in some ways a better candidate than Biden
was for the state of Virginia. So scratch that one
from the record. But I do think that he's going
to win. Dude, Maybe he will replicate the twenty sixteen
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electoral map. That would be a best case scenario. If
he can win Pennsylvania, he can win. Oh no, I'm sorry, Nevada.
There we go, Nevada. I'm looking at the twenty sixteen
map right now, he'll he could pick up Nevada, which
he didn't pick up in twenty sixteen, So that would
be the one that would be a surprise.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Am I missing anything that else is really on the table?
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
See, I knew there was something, but yeah, I think
that he'll get close to what he did before. I
think the map may look very similar to did in
twenty sixteen. That would be amazing, but I think it's
very possible. I think they're trying to tell you Harris
is in a much stronger position than she is because
they have to shape perception right away. And I think
that the the CNN numbers guru there when he's telling
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you that they've underestimated Trump's strength in the Midwest in
the past, I think that they're doing that again.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
That's very likely.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
And here's why, comes down to the white working class voter.
And I cannot foresee a situation where Trump rather where
Harris does better with those Midwestern white working class.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Voters than Joe Biden did.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
So now we're focusing back on twenty twenty instead of
twenty sixteen. Our friend Ryan Grodoski put this one out
For example, in twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, Trump won
whites without a college degree by thirty six points and
thirty two points. So there, and Ryan says, quote, there's
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no way she's sliced his lead with those voters in half.
It just didn't happen. I've talked to Ryan about this.
I totally agree. I do not believe that there's been
some huge short For this New York Times Siena poll
to be accurate, there would have to be.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
A huge surge.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Of white working class support for Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I do not. I just don't buy it. I don't
buy it.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
But they know, people like me have been saying, why
is Trump going to win white working class voters? So
this is the way that the numbers can come out
and look really strong for Harris. I think that this
is another thing from CNN Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin voters. This
is a percentage of the electorate. Okay, black or Hispanic
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in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin. What do you think the percentage
of black and Hispanic voters in those states is overall.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Thirteen percent.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
College educated white voters twenty seven percent in those states
of the electorate, non college educated white voters in those
states fifty percent of the electorate. That half of the
electorate determines this election, and a few percentage points in
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that half of the electorate even those swing states is
going to be determinative. I hope the Trump team is listening.
I hope they're on the ball on point on this one.
I hope they're ready to go, because the numbers are
very clear here. You know, I'm going to tell you
this Trump team in twenty twenty really focused on trying
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to turn.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Out a little more in the black vote, a little
more of the Hispanic vote.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Wasn't a path to victory, wasn't a path of victory,
and didn't work, not a not any meaningful way. Obviously,
Biden's been president for four years. So this time around,
the focus on white working class voters and voter turnout
among that group is.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
The pathway to victory.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
So for those of you listening in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania,
who are truckers, who are plumbers, who are contractors, who
are and assuming you're falling into that non college educated,
which some of you do, some of you don't, but
the trades, those who make a living with their hands, right,
not white collar office workers. You get to determine whether
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Kamala Harris is the president or Donald Trump is the president.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Really, that's what this comes down to.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
So it's a lot of power in your hands and
your friends and your colleagues and your family.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Members in those states. That is where it really matters.
Right now.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
They're trying to claim Kamala Harris has made a huge
has made huge inroads with those voters. Let's return to
that in a moment. I'm open to they just the
poll isn't very good as an argument, but I also
feel like that's a little too convenient, isn't it. They're
suddenly running these really really important numbers that are skewing
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toward Harris in this way. I'm just I was thinking
about twenty sixteen. I'm getting a twenty sixteen tingle here.
And I understand, up to this point, we've said the polls,
the polls, the polls. Well, yeah, but that's because both sides.
It was understandable that both sides would see the polls
as accurate because they wanted Biden to be gone, and
it was so obvious that they couldn't. You can shade
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things four percent, three percent, you know, maybe maybe five percent.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Biden was falling off a cliff. I mean, Biden was
going to lose New Jersey. So yeah, there's no there's
no way that you can cover that up in polling data.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
But right now are they playing around with the numbers
a little bit?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Well, they're playing They're changing everything about Harris's record, They're
hiding her from the public. They're doing everything they can
to make sure that she's the president, no matter what
kind of see dissembling lies that they have to tell.
So will they manipulate the numbers the data? Yeah, I'm
sure they will. Let's get into this. I want to
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hear your thoughts on this as well. And also we're
going to talk about Tim Walls and what he did
during the BLM riots. Ye offs are shooting at people
with paintball guns to get them to go inside when
they were just standing outside of their own homes, on
their own property. This guy's a totalitarian wacko. Tim Walls
is a totalitarian wacko.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
We'll get back to that.
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Speaker 6 (15:38):
The problem is he's up against a younger or dynamic
woman who has revitalized the Democratic Party.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
He does not know what to do, so he's falling back.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
On the same kind of insults and denigration and concision.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
And I don't think it's working.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
I don't think it's going to work in that Democrats
need to be very careful enough to fall into that trap.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
But I just don't see that. It's why he's so desperate. Honestly,
I feel bad for the woman City Wilds who's running
this campaign.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
I don't know her, but she seems like a total
pro and I can tell when she's in charge, they
actually seem to be doing well and they talk about
issues like Jennings is training to talk about immigration, okay,
but when Trump is in charge, it's just this nutty
at best and racist at worst of pure Trump.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
I'm gonna tell you something.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
That was Paul mcgala, And the more he is telling
us how great Kamala Harris is and how confident he
is in her strategy, the better I.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Feel about Trump's chances. That's why I played that for
you. You know.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
You know there's that guy Kramer was like, hey, buy
and sell this stock, and he's got their hung hunk
and all the different you know, noises and stuff, very famous,
the NBC guy. And people have talked about the reverse
Kramer fund, where you do whatever he says to buy,
you sell, or whatever he says to sell you buy.
And I don't know how that's really done over time,
but it's kind of an ongoing joke among those who
are placing bets in the markets. I feel that way
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about Paul mcgala and a lot of these old Clinton
A political political hacks, especially when they come forward to
tell you how great Kamala Harris is.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Were they saying.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Kamala Harris was great six months ago? Oh, she's dynamic
and revitalized. The they were trying to find an excuse
to boot her off the Democrat ticket in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Do you remember this? I remember it all these little murmurs.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Harris's roughly fifty staff members, five have lasted from the
beginning of her time as VP to now.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
That's quite an attrition rate.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
The stories written in places like Politico and Axios abow
about how Harris never does the reading, Harris never knows
what's going on. Harris blames her staff and is nasty
and is unprepared and isn't very bright. We're supposed to
forget about all that, right, They were doing that because
there was talking about maybe Gretchen Whitber would be better,
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maybe Karen Bass would be better. Maybe you know, you
go down there's all these different possible vps. Maybe you know,
they were gonna have Harris appointed to be like a
federal judge somewhere or something.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
This this was the talk, or it's a Supreme Court.
I don't think that would work. This was the talk
in very recent memory.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Okay, the stories that were coming out about Harris, even
in Democrat media that were trashing or were this year
and now Paulcgllan's like, Oh, she's amazing, She's so great.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
These people are are utterly ruthless.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Have no scruples, no principles, they will say anything.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
But I understand confusion is actually a.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Weapon of politics for them because they can say anything.
They have to defend nothing because they'll change what is
true in their minds today, tomorrow and yesterday.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
How are you supposed to run a campaign against that?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Kamala Harris stands for nothing and somehow everything at the
same time.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
And there's you.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Know, you're you're fighting you know, shadows than dust. Here
you're grabbing at the air, right, you're.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Wrestling with water. It's formless. How do you do this? Well,
this is the game they're playing, so we have.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
To figure it out. Here's a really I mean, this
is particularly amusing to me. Susan Rice. Okay, Susan Rice,
as you know, top advisor for Obama. She's not going
and all the Obama team are now A lot of
the Obama team are coming forward to be team Kamala, right,
and some of them weren't Team Biden. Interesting is it?
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But they're coming forward to be Team Kamala. Susan Rice
wants you to know, and I need you to hear
this that Kamala was an essential part of the Biden
administration's policies.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
This is seventeen listen to this one.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
She will, as she.
Speaker 7 (19:50):
Has said, outlined aspects of her economic policy.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Later this week.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
But I think it's very important to remember that this
has been the Biden Harrison agenda. Kamala Harris has been
an integral architect and executor of the policies of the
Biden Harris administration. This notion that she somehow doesn't deserve
credit for, and isn't part of, and wasn't an integral
architect of the Biden Harris administration agenda is not only false,
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it's it's frankly somewhat bizarre and offensive.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
It's offensive.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Okay, uh, how was she executive, you know, an executor
of policy here?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
How was she an integral architect? A week ago?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
They were telling us, Okay, let again. I know, guys,
it's we're in the funhouse, mirror world of democrats desperately
trying to cling to power, lie to everybody, smoke screens everywhere.
As soon as Harris was was the chosen, and I
have to keep reminding everybody of this too. You're noticing
that the defense of democracy argument from democrats, you're not
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hearing a lot about that the these days, are you
You're not being bombarded with that talking point. Maybe because
Democrats defense of democracy apparently means nullifying a primary election,
installing a presidential nominee with zero votes, then working at
breakneck speed to flood the internet with lies about that
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person while the media helps her hide from public scrutiny.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Defense of democracy. Maybe we should all mask up again.
That'll help with democracy, says doctor Fouch. Yeah, it's stunning,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Anything goes, whatever works. They don't even hide it from you.
They don't even try to hide it from you. Michael McFall,
this guy was a US ambassador to Russia. He's a
Russia Trump derangement lunatic.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
And what is he? Probably at some think tech now right?
Oh no, he's at Stanford. Here he is.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
He says the following about Kamala Harris. The amount objective
for Kamala Harris this was on X is to win
this election. If a press conference helps her win, she
should do it. If not, she shouldn't do it. It's
just that simple. She has no moral obligation to talk
to the press. Tone it down, folks. This is a
so called left wing intellectual at Stanford and a former
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US ambassador who's telling everybody. Yeah, lie, if Harris has
to lie by the omission of her public presence, if
the media has to be a party to this, great
whatever they have to do is what they should do.
Anything goes Now I come back to what Susan Rice said.
Sorry I digressed there for a second. I got a
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lot of thoughts going on here. They told us as
soon as Harris was the just the chosen by the
Democrat elites, no votes, no primary. Used to be that
Harris was a laugh line. Nobody liked her in the
Democrat Party. She was a joke.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
She got like two percent enter the vote and had
to drop out in twenty twenty. Oh, now she's a savior.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Say what you will about Obama, the guy one, the
guy one and one and one and one.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Guy never lost.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Now I'm not saying that that means I'm an Obama fan, obviously,
but I'm just saying the Democrats, you know, they launched
him into the stratosphere all the way. Kamala Harris has
been rejected by the Democrat electorate, resoundingly rejected, and now
they're pretending.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
That she's great.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Okay, Now on the policy, think Susan Rice, one of
the most prominent members of the Obama administration. A top
Obama advisor, she has said that Kamala Harris is an
architect of Biden policies. Now that's a soundbit, it sounds good.
Which one which policies? As soon as they picked Kamala Harris,
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what do we all start to think about? What was
she most associated with as an actual real policy?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
The border? The borders are.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Biden gave her this as part of her vice presidential portfolio,
acting with his stamp of approval, you know, his you know,
it's sort of like, uh, you know, his mandate deal
with the border, and it was such a disaster and
the border has been so bad under the Biden Harris
tenure that the media immediately started to lie and gaslight
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you by saying she was never the borders are. There's
no such thing as a borders are. That's a made
up thing. Axios. The left wing news website scrubbed its
own previous descriptions of her as borders are.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
This is Soviets stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
This is like when they would remove people from certain
you know, bureaus in the Soviet Union and they would
use a razor to remove their name from the paper. Records,
you know, like, well there's a hole there now, yeah,
but the name's not there.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
This is the this is.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
The absolute brainwashing of the America people to get a
manifestly unqualified, unprincipled, incapable nominee made president of the United States.
And I have to take this seriously because they made
a dementia patient. Clearly, as they now admit, the president
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that States for four.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Years is still the president. Captain Dementia is still the
commander in chief. How is that even possible?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
But this is one of the again challenges that we
have to deal with. When you have no integrity to protect,
you can do and say anything. And that's where the media,
that's where the Democrats are, That's where the Harris Wall's
campaign is. There's nothing that they stand for other than power.
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There's nothing that they believe in other than they should
be in charge and the people around that they should
have power over you.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
That's it. Whatever they have to say, whatever lies they
have to tell, it's all and it is.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
It is incumbent upon us to meet this with the
ferocious response of truth in every venue, in every way
we possibly can. Because these are these are unseerious people
who will do serious.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Damage to the country.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
And you'll notice that none of them even present themselves
for exchange of ideas on the other side.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
What answer can they possibly give?
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I mean, you know, I know, I joke around with
you about how I'm like morning Joe's biggest fan. I
do think it's important to watch because I see I
watch the brainwashing process for that audience in real time.
I understand what's going on. But their their host was
saying that Joe Biden a few months ago was the sharpest.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
He's ever been.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
How can a person who says that on television and
puts their whatever integrity they're supposed to have on the
line with such a statement be taken seriously ever? Again,
I mean, he was obviously a dementia patient, as they
now have had to admit, So why should we listen
to anything that's said about well? But this also applies
to the New York Times. They were all complicit in
the lie. And now you go with well, hold on
(27:19):
a second, it's not even new to the Biden administration.
They were complicit in huge lies about Russia collusion and
that Russia stole the twenty sixteen election. They've never they've
never addressed their part in that. In fact, they've given
themselves Pulleitzers. I mean they've they've gone the opposite direction.
So it's, uh, it's a wild thing to watch this
(27:45):
this play out because the counter arguments that I'm arming
you with today will have to be changed next week
because they will change their premise. They will change their
arguments entirely. Kamala Harris wasn't the borders are? Oh now
they're running ads saying that she was great on the
border and so important and so integral to the Obama
(28:07):
I'm sorry the Biden administration's successes, right, but they just
said that she was.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Now she is.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
You know, next week it's going to be, oh, well
she was, you know she is in favor of reparation.
The week after that or coming up in the debate,
Oh no, she's not in favorite reparations. How do you
win an argument with somebody who stands for nothing. We're
going to find out. That's what we're dealing with with Kamala.
That's what we're dealing with with these democrats, and it
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is going to be a challenge. You know, I want
to switch our focus to the Middle East for a second.
There's plenty of speculation still that Israel is going to
suffer from more attacks from these proxy terrorist forces back
by Iran. Hesbelah is really the most ominous of these threats,
and there's reason to believe that Israel could be drawn
(28:58):
into a broader conflict any day now.
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Diving into illegal immigration right now, let's let's get into it,
my friends. The second biggest issue I think by the
numbers when it comes to what concerns the American public
and voters. Right now, we'll call it ten million. I
(30:32):
can't No one knows the real number. It's ten million
and four years, which is really noteworthy because if you
look at the last census data that they usually use
as their illegal immigration barometer, we were at roughly twelve
million total. They said, now, I think that number is absurd.
It's far too low, but no one disputes that were
(30:55):
over eight million under Biden. Eight million illegal entry. It's
when you add godaways and it's really more like ten million,
and it could be substantially more than that. This is
a huge problem for Democrats, and it's a problem especially
because people now see more than ever are there are
(31:17):
costs to this costs in dollars, costs in services, and
costs in safety for the American people. We do not
know who's coming across. I thought it was worthwhile exchange
between Elon Musk and Donald Trump on that space is
conversation on X that we spend a lot of time
(31:38):
on yesterday. It was worthwhile that Elon Musk said, Look,
this is not about whether most of the illegals or
even you know, ninety ninety five percent of the illegals
are decent people, kind, people just want better things for
their family. It's that we cannot take in the entire
(31:59):
world wants to come here. Our welfare state cannot sustain it,
our society cannot assimilate at that level. It is the
dissolution of the American Republic and this experiment, if you
will that the democracy, if we can keep it right,
it's it's impossible. You cannot allow this to continue, and
(32:23):
you actually have to turn it back, which means have
to be a lot of deportations, have to be a
lot of deportations millions. And part of why you have
to do the deportations is that it changes the calculations
for people who will come in the future. If you
just allow the status quo to persist. Meaning I don't know,
(32:44):
twenty million people in the country, thirty million people in
the country in violation of federal law. Other people will
say to themselves, well, what's twenty million in one, what's
twenty million in two? But if they start sending people
back to their home countries, it's do I want to
pay the coyotes thousands of dollars, the cartel coyotes thousands
of dollars to take me across the border? Do I
(33:04):
want to go on the harrowing journey and take them
up through what the Darien Gap and up through Central
America and through Mexico? And do I want to do that?
Maybe not right now. Obviously millions of them have chosen
to do so, and they're still doing so.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
It's a huge problem. Now.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
The change in this is is really twofold. There's the
change of the numbers. The numbers are now. They can't
play games with this. It's a total flood. It's a
an avalanche of illegality.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
It's a disaster. But what does it mean for people?
You have these.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Left wing and also sometimes libertarian open borders advocates who
just say no.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
It means GDP goes up.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
You know, it means GNP gross national product GDP gross
domestic product means it all goes up. Bigger economy doing
the jobs Americans won't do.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Well.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Hold on a second.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
We have a tough labor market right now, We have
high inflation. We have people can't afford houses. Elizabeth Warren,
we'll talk about her in the third hour. She's saying, Oh,
you know, you can't afford a house. I'm gonna havelf
me up here. You can't afford a house, I'm gonna
make it better with government intervention. This is they agree
(34:22):
it's a problem for people who are working. They always
say the working class is having it tough. Do they
think dumping millions of illegals on the economy who are
working often off the books and therefore paid lower wages
and don't have the benefits and don't have the recourse
to the law. Therefore they can undercut the wages of
those lower on the wage scale. Supply and demand exists,
(34:44):
whether they think they wanted to or not, and so
they never deal with the consequences of the illegality. Well,
one consequence is you got a lot of people that
are on state benefits now right away. And that cost
in New York's city is five billion dollars for shelters, security, food.
(35:06):
And they think, get ready for this. I've been telling
you this all along. They think that that number could
be double by twenty twenty five ten billion dollars. The
entire budget of the forty thousand some odd men.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
NYPD is five billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
The entire budget of the FDNY the Fire Department of
New York. These are obviously the two biggest municipal police
and fire agencies, respectively, in the in the country. The
budget for the Fire department's two billion dollars. They're spending
five billion dollars on illegals. New York City is ruthless
for tracking down people who have been in you know,
(35:46):
who have tried to leave, Oh, you still live in
New York and all this other stuff. California is apparently
the worst, but New York's the second worst at this.
So if you're if you're somebody who is a contributor
who's paying taxes, you get harassed, you get hounded, you
get threatened, maybe even get imprisoned if you like Trump
too much. Like his accountant went to Ryker's Island because
(36:10):
he didn't list the company car on his taxes or something.
It was a state offense, that wasn't a federal offense. Outrageous,
outrageous stuff. But meanwhile, the migrants weren't even supposed to
be here. The city's taking your money and paying for
the migrants. What the heck is that ten billion dollars
next year, even for a city like New York. It's
(36:30):
a lot of money. That's a lot of money. Where
does it come from? Comes from you? Taken by force,
taken under threat of imprisonment, because the law is the
law for you.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
The law is not the law for the migrants. No,
feel sorry for them.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Well, you know, it's getting harder to feel sorry for
the migrants as a group when you see more and
more of these stories like we have in recent days,
because heinous crimes committed by illegals shouldn't be low, it should.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Be zero, because they shouldn't be here.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
So any person who suffers at the hand of an
illegal in this country, whether it's a murder, a rape,
and assault, a robbery, should feel completely betrayed by their
own government. And this is here's a perfect example. This
was just Yesterday, New York Post agents with Immigration and
(37:23):
Customs Enforcement have tracked down a Haitian.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Illegal who had been.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Released on five hundred dollars bond despite facing charges of
raping a child in Massachusetts. This illegal raped a fifteen
year old in Massachusetts and he's twenty six years old.
(37:51):
The ICE, the federal agency that deals with this, asked
the sheriff's office that arrested him for the rape to
hold him so they could start deportation proceedings against him.
And you know what they did. Local sheriff ignored it. Now,
we're not gonna we're sanctuary jurisdiction, so we're gonna let
(38:14):
the child rapists go.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
You have to play.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Go catch him, you get to go catch him.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
There's a child rapist.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
You're a law enforcement officer, and a federal agency says, hey,
that guy, we want to take him. You're you're holding
him on rape charts, but we want to deport it.
This guy shouldn't even be here. And you go, no, sorry,
we're a sanctuary jurisdiction.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I mean, can you imagine? And it gets worse, Oh,
it gets worse, It gets worse.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
This guy's not a from what we see here. Not
a first time defender. So this is what ends up happening. Now,
we have Coney Island, Coney Island in New York City,
you know, and people think of it as amusement park.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Unfortunately, it's a pretty rough neighborhood. Now. Homeless woman allegedly raped.
This is from the New York Post.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Homeless woman allegedly raped at knife point by a migrant
with the sex assault history in Brooklyn told the Post
she felt that the brute was actually trying to kill her.
It wasn't rape, it was attempted murder. The forty six
year old woman said, he didn't try to rape me,
He tried to kill me. In this instance, the woman
was that there's been a Nicaraguan migrant who has been
(39:39):
charged along with another migrant from I'm trying to see
what country he's from. Somewhere in Latin America. Oh yeah,
Mexican national. And they assaulted a man who was with
this woman to keep him away, and then brutalized the woman.
I tried to pull the guy off her, and he
(40:00):
tried to stab me. This guy, the the you know,
boyfriend or the man with the woman who was raped,
said I grabbed the pipe with one hand and the
other one was behind me. He hit me with the brick,
hit me in the back. I ran over and asked
people to call the police. Call the police. These are
all quotes. She was hurt a lot. I was hurt
a little. I'm a man, I got feelings, but she
was really hurt. Ram Sammy added of his girlfriend of
(40:23):
two weeks with whom he'd been living in an encampment
in Coney Island.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
She's messed up right now.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
When it started getting dark out last night, she was
getting paranoid. The victim out of she fought fox, she
couldn't fight anymore. Two illegals raped her at knife point,
beat her boyfriend so that he couldn't come to her aid.
And we find out that the illegal who was the
(40:49):
one who did the forcible rape was already wanted for
other sex offenses. You might be wondering, how can in
an illegal not supposed to be in the he wanted
for an earlier sex offense, still be in the country
and now rapes this woman at knife point in Coney
Island because the Democrats think.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
That this is what this is the way it should be.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Kamala Harris and Tim Wallace think that we need to
just let as many illegals as possible run free in
the country, and if they rape someone, or shoot someone
or stab someone, let's not jump to conclusions and send
them back to their home country. This is the stuff
that America is made of. This is the reality of
our future. They do the jobs Americans won't do, et cetera,
(41:35):
et cetera. Well, hold on a second, if the government
doesn't hold these illegals responsible, how can the government hold
me responsible?
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Why does the law.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Apply to me but not even people, but not people
who by their very presence are violating federal statute and
the sovereignty of the United States.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
They have no answers for this. They have no answers
except to lie to you. Harris is tough on the border. No,
she's not. That is a lie.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
And of course there's a huge component of this as well,
where if you have an objection to the flood of
millions of illegals coming into the country because they are
coming from generally overwhelmingly very poor, lawless and non English
speaking countries.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
The Third World, because they're.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Flooding in from the Third World, that's all you're being racist.
So the immigration system, the purpose of it is to
allow in as many people with no education, no English
language skills, no skills whatsoever, and no knowledge of their
criminal history, no knowledge.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
In what way are they American?
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Well they're not well, then why are they allowed to
be here and get all these services and get this
special treatment from our government? Because they're dissolving the country
in front of your eyes day in and day out.
They're dissolving the United States of America with this nonsense.
That's what's actually happening. And the Democrats are all on
board for it, and they lie and lie, and they
(43:05):
always take the side of the illegals. They're always pushing
to make it easier for illegals to get into the country.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
And then they try to say, oh, we tried to
pass this border bill.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
The border bill would have made it so that they
allow thousands of illegals today. But if it gets to
ten thousand a day, well then that's too much and
we're going to shut it down. All I mean, you know,
you sit here and say, how much worse can it be?
How can any person vote for the continuation just on
the immigration.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Issue alone, with all the illegals.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Coming into the country, How can any serious honest, intelligent
person want to support the Kamala Harris continuation of the
Harris or Biden Harris policies.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
There's no answer. Oh, it's such a complicated issue.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
They make it complicated by refusing to enforce the laws.
They make it worse for everybody by allowing rapists to
rate more than once, even though they are illegals who
shouldn't be in the country.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
I mean, think about this. The guy's wanted for child.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Rape and a sheriff won't work with Immigration and Customs enforcement,
so they release him into the general public. Hey, this
guy's violating federal law. You're a sheriff, we're a law enforcement.
Can you just hold on to him until Nope? Sorry,
sanctuary jurisdiction. Kamala Harris should be asked about that on
(44:28):
the debate stage. Hey, Kamala Harris, do you believe that
illegal alien rapists should be let free after they've been
arrested for committing a rape and not hand.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
It over to Ice for deportation. What do you think
about that, Kamala Harris? Donald Trump's a racist. I mean,
we all know.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Where this is gonna go. We all know how they
have no answers and no response. But we've got to
hammer this stuff. We've got to stay focused on it.
Otherwise they're gonna be in charge for four more years.
You could have more of this.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
It's heinous what they allow, what they encourage.
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Speaker 2 (46:22):
We've been talking a lot today about whatever we can
figure out when it comes to the Harris Walls of policies,
and one area where it's really going to be opaque,
maybe non existent, is foreign policy. Let's talk to our
friend Bridge Colby about this for a moment. He is
(46:45):
a principal of the Marathon initiative and he's also a
former Pentagon official under the Trump administration.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Mister Bridge Colby, great to have you back, Great to
be with you. All right, so let's.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Start with the I think we can just take as
a give in that there hasn't been a lot of
specifics from the Kamala campaign about what they're foreign.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Policy would be.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
But if we're going to assume it is an extension
of the Biden policy, and then add in whatever specifics
we can divine from the statements that have been made
on her behalf, Really, what do we know about what
a Kamala Harris Tim Wall's foreign policy would look like?
Speaker 4 (47:28):
Well, I mean, we don't know much. And don't take
this from you and me. I think the Wall Street
Journal actually ran a piece like a week or two
ago saying people just don't know what she stands for.
And of course she's you know, moving off of positions
that she did take, so it's really all speculation. What
I would say is my read is that she's basically
(47:49):
going to be like closer to a standard issue Democratic
Party sort of activist of the contemporary period. So I'm
just you know, cars on the table. Not a big
fan of President and say the least, but President Biden,
you know, does kind of at least he thinks of himself,
and he tries to harken back to sort of an
earlier period. Obviously his you know, historically his close relationship
(48:11):
to Israel, the connection to NATO and so forth, and
if you look at some of his top leadership Jake Sullivan,
John Finer, Kirk Campbell, Eli Rattner, Frank Kendall, a lot
of these people, you know, I mean, I have my
criticisms of them, but I you know, I think they're
not dreamy idealists, you know, to the to the contrary.
So I think Kamala Harris, what we can see her
(48:32):
top person, for instance, is a guy named Phil Gordon.
He was in the Obama administration, was in the Clint administration.
You know, for instance, he signed a letter that was
put out in the Washington Post about five years ago.
And if you read the letter about China. If you
read the letter, a lot of it seems kind of
unobjectionable to it because they kind of create fake straw men.
But it was basically written to push back on the
(48:53):
shift on China, uh that that was happening under the
Trump administration that you know, Jake Sullivan and Kirk Campbell
and these guys have tried to take over. I mean,
we have a debate about who's better at it. But
that's what leads me to think like we should sort
of expect more like the center of this sort of
Democratic party than what we've gotten, even from Joe Biden,
which is which is pretty darn progressive, and so that
(49:14):
worries me, you know, I know she for instance, a
few years ago, she said she wants to cut the
defense budget. I mean, I'm not one of these people
is out there saying, which triple the defense budget, but
been cutting the defense budget in this time. That's pretty worrying.
So again, a lot of this is speculation and inference,
but I think she's going to be more sort of
progressive even than Biden.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
I mean, I would offer, just from the political pugilist
side of this equation, that it's supposed to be this
is what they want, which is that the foreign policy
is whatever they have to say it is in the minute,
and nobody actually knows what it is. So then it's
a harder target, do you know what I mean. It's
you know, you're you're sort of punching at the wind.
(49:52):
And and I think that that's a larger theme in
the campaign overall. But let's drill down then into reality
and the hero and now for second, on the foreign
policy scene, one thing that well I'm a little bit.
Speaker 4 (50:04):
Surprised, yes if I say one thing just on that
page of course, is just you know, look, I think
you're putting your finger on something, which is we are
in an exceptionally dangerous period where we've got a wild
mismatch between a rhetoric that Biden and others have gotten
us into and the fact that there are multiple wars
around around the world and the resources that we are
(50:25):
putting at that problem in terms of the defense budget
and so forth, and the American people are willing to
put it at the problem. The New York Times even
was reporting today that the Russians and Chinese are co
op collaborating more on military operations than ever before. And
so President Trump, I think, is putting something out there
saying we're in the verge of World War three. We
need to be strong, but we also need to use
the military sparingly as as I think the Platform correctly said,
(50:48):
and I mean, I agree with that, but that's a
serious message in a very serious time. We don't have
time for this kind of fluff where people are just
kind of message testing it. We've got If you're going
to pursue the kind of Ridicten might be, well, the
overly expansive Biden approach, you got to back that up
with big defense spending increases. You got to do xyz
she's showing none of that, so she's not having a
(51:09):
political mandate, so she's you know, in a sense, like
the analogy I used, we're heading towards the Titanic, at
least offer us a way to not hit the iceberg,
and here we're just having to guess at what the
captain is proposing as we hurtle towards the iceberg. Whereas
I think President Trump and Senator Vance are offering a
very clear and I think very common sense and the
right approach, but at minimum should be able to evaluate.
(51:31):
Isn't that what democracy is about?
Speaker 2 (51:33):
I mean, come on right, well, as you can see
everyone can see I think now pretty clearly on one
of the hotspot issues, which is Israel Hamas slash Hesbala
slash Iran. The Democrats that they want to just have
a deafening silence on this to degree they can right
before the election, because they can't have it both ways,
(51:54):
and for their electorate they need to have it both ways,
and that's that's going to be a challenge for them.
We're speaking of Bridge Colby, principal of the marria On Initiative. Bridge,
tell me about this incursion into Kursk and the Ukraine
front and how this has changed.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Is this a big deal.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
I'm actually a little surprised given all the you know,
Slava Ukraine and the flags and everything we see from Democrats.
There's not more talk about this right now, but I
guess it's just full throttle Kamala is like, you know,
Jesus or whatever. So what does this mean that there's
been a counter offensive by Ukraine in the Russian territory.
Speaker 4 (52:29):
Well, just parenthetically on that, I think David Sachs put
this out that like the Kamala image on the front
of Time, where she actually does kind of look like
a religious icon. The most important part was that she
declined to comment for the article.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
We ever talked about that yesterday.
Speaker 4 (52:44):
Yes, it's surreal, it's like beyond mockery. But it's a
great question. I mean, I think I was certainly surprised
taken aback, I would say, impressed by the Ukrainians prowess.
I think we have yet to figure out what's going on.
Zelenski started talking about it now. Ukrainians senior leaders, it's
not immediately clear, entirely clear to me what their goals are.
(53:05):
Are they trying to like discombobulate the Russians. Are they
trying to seize territory to hold a leverage for future negotiations,
That's what Putin was suggesting. Are they trying to kind
of change the narrative away from you know, the sort
of the steady progress that the Russians are making in
the main theater, which in the East. I have to say,
I'm skeptical, and I'd probably even go farther. I don't
(53:27):
think that this is going to change the fundamentals, you know.
I mean, and even in the time New York Times
reporting this morning, there's real questions. American officials were apparently
saying off the record as they usually do, or sort
of anonymously, you know, we're not sure that the Ukrainians
made the best decision. We're not exactly sure what they're
trying to say, But I think the jury is still out.
But look, I think what we've seen in Ukraine over
(53:49):
the last two and a half years plus is there's
no fancy, kind of decisive blitzkrieg style, you know, thing
that totally transforms. It didn't happen for the Russians at
the beginning. It didn't happen for the Ukrainians in late
twenty twenty two, or in the big counter offensive in
twenty twenty three, and so it's still a matter of
numbers and resolve, and I think unfortunately that favors the Russians,
(54:11):
and so this might help the Ukrainians somewhat, but I
don't see it as a fundamental game changer or something
like that.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
Let's assume that I'm right. Trump wins. The cavalry arrives
over the hill at just the right moment on election day,
so to speak, and Trump is now commander in chief.
He's been saying that he's going to end this Russia
Ukraine conflict, and now he's Trump, so he just sort
of says I will end it, and people are taking
(54:38):
him at his word.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
What do you think that looks like?
Speaker 4 (54:42):
Well, man, I hope you're right about winning. It's obviously
as tight race now, but I think we definitely need
change and.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
Keep the faith, bridge keep the faith.
Speaker 4 (54:52):
I'm a believer, but take nothing for granted, right, But
you know more about this than I do. But look,
I don't know. I mean, I don't speak for president,
as you know, and I don't make any presumptions about
myself or anything like that. But I will say, just
on the issue of how much President Trump has actually
laid out his plan. I think it's actually pretty sort
of almost like best practice not to talk to in
(55:14):
too much detail about what the plan is. That's actually
what Dwight Eisenhower did in nineteen fifty two when pretty
much all I said about ending the Korean War was
I will go to Korea. Or Ron Reagan nineteen eighty
said he would solve as I understand a the Iran
hostage christ he didn't get into a lot of detail.
So I mean, you don't want to put all your
cards on the table.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
So it is basically the force of personality is the promise,
and you trust in the commander in chief to show up,
pound his fist on the table and get it done.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
I mean that that actually is the strategy at some level.
Speaker 4 (55:40):
Well, I think it's the strategy. But also like, look,
I mean Biden sort of locked into this terrible policy
and if anything, Harris looks like she's going to continue it,
which is rhetorical maximalism about you know, Putin is the
evilest guy who ever lived. He's obviously a bad guy,
like he's done a lot of bad things. That's not
the issue, but it's not backed up by like any
kind of plausible strategy. And I'm not ana the Wall
(56:00):
Street Journal lot ed page on this point. But where
they do have a point is saying, like, what are
we doing. We're slow dripping them resources and money. Meanwhile
we're talking, you know, we're progressively allowing attacks into Russia.
Putin responds to this thing by saying, taking negotiations off
the table. I mean, obviously that could be a maneuver,
but it's like what we're doing for the last two
and a half years is not working out. I mean,
the Biden administration will tell you, oh, we're winning. Well,
(56:22):
if you compare it to like complete catastrophe, it's better
than that. But I don't think anybody in Ukraine or
a rational person looking from the outside would say that
if you looked at this from the beginning of Biden's term,
this is a good outcome. Now maybe if it's not.
You know, I think the force of personality is part
of it, but it's also a different common sense approach.
I mean, one of the things where Trump President Trump
gets flack, which I think is telling, is when he says, hey,
(56:45):
you know, I need to have a good relationship with
or you know, at least a talking relationship with Putin
or Kim Jong un or Shi Jinping. I think that's
actually makes sense. Like Richard Nixon was able to talk
to him as a dong. We were talking to the
head of the Soviet Union. That was considered a good
because you need to be able to potentially come to
some different agreement. So I think a different approach where
(57:05):
there is also more, as you know, concern about what
the Americans might be prepared to do on like the
economic sanctions front or whatever. I mean, you know, I
don't know what's what's the total universe, but I don't
think it's out of the question because like maybe Russia
doesn't over long term want to be a dependency of China.
And I think this is again something the present I
think he said to Elon Musk the other night, was saying,
(57:26):
which is again like it used to be a truism
of American forigm policy. You don't want the Russians and
the Chinese allied against you, right, it's like kind of
a basic high giene of American form positive.
Speaker 1 (57:35):
Yeah, and never never find a land war in Asia,
et cetera.
Speaker 4 (57:38):
Yeah, exactly, So like I do think, you know, I
I don't know, and I don't you know, I don't
know what Putin's actual negotiating parameters are, but presumably he
doesn't want the war to go on forever and so forth.
I think at least at least worth trying it out.
I do think that the Ukrainians are going to need
to be supported whatever happens. But I think, as President
Trump said in his true social post a few months ago,
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that's got to be on the Europeans.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
That seems reasonable.
Speaker 2 (58:01):
Yeah, well real, real quick, Bridge really got about a minute.
But I'm just wondering. Yeah, there's this this sense of,
oh my gosh, Iran is going to have some kind
of a CounterPunch against Israel and it could be horrible.
Speaker 1 (58:15):
Is this Iran taking its time?
Speaker 2 (58:17):
Or do people sometimes underestimate the limitations of the Iranian
state to really engage in any kind of a sort
of certainly a conventional military strike.
Speaker 4 (58:29):
Yeah, it's a good question. You know, It's one of
the things going back and you and I've been in
this field a while, like you know, where people would
say the Iranians are totally irrational, and actually, like if
you look at and particularly how the Israelis are thinking
about them, and they're calculus The Iranians are calculating, and
they know what's up, you know, So like I don't
it sounds like the Israelis and we are preparing for
an Iranian attack, and you know, I think that would
(58:49):
probably be where you'd put your money. And again, as
the Israelis have shown, but the Iranians too, you can
take your time in retaliating. But what exactly that looks like?
I don't think we know there's a story of the
Israelis may go after hasblah as as even used in
Iranian retaliation as a pretext. So Iran's going to be
factoring that in, Like is this gonna net benefit us
to do something? But they certainly put themselves in a
(59:11):
position where where they've put their credibility on the line
quite a bit. So unfortunately, I think that's probably the
way to bet. But I hope it's not. I certainly,
I hope it's not successful, But I hope it's not
very robust.
Speaker 2 (59:22):
Bridge Colby, everybody, Bridge, give me a tour the Pentagon
when you're under Secretary of Defense.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
All right, looking forward to.
Speaker 4 (59:28):
Kindn't make any assumptions but always a great talk to
you guys.
Speaker 1 (59:32):
Yeah, man, thanks so much appreciated.
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Welcome in everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Wednesday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
kicks off right now, and I'm happy to say that
increasingly I find myself a voice of comfort common reason
for so many of my conservative friends out there. Probably
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not gonna tell anybody names, not going to name the name.
I'm getting people texting me saying, why are you so confident?
How can you be so confident that Trump will win?
And I don't know, just go with my gut. I
feel it, feel it in my bones, I feel it
in my toes, I feel it in my soul. I
believe in Trump. I believe in the movement, and I
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know that right now they're trying so hard to make
everybody out there doubt that Donald Trump can win, and
I will not fall into that trap. We will look
at these numbers, We will look at the data as
it stands now, but also put it in the proper context,
look at the timeline, look at the momentum and what
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lies ahead. This is a show where we take a
deep breath and make sure that we are firmly rooted
in reality. We'll also discuss later on what is the
Harris Walls foreign policy. My friend Bridge called the brilliant
guy and just random side note, I think when Bridge
was at Yale Law School and working in DC for
(01:30):
the first time, we used to drink together twenty years
ago in DC when I was a young CIA officer.
So here we are decades later and we get to
hang out on the radio and talk to a few
million of our closest friends. It's amazing, what a small
world it is. We've also got unions. Are they union membership,
not the leadership, the membership? Are they starting to go
(01:53):
for Donald Trump? Cover at New York Post? Five billion
dollars spent on migrants in New York City? Five billions.
That's where we are now. So you have trouble looking
at your gas and food and rent payments and not
(02:14):
having your eyeballs fall out of your head.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Meanwhile, the taxes, and this is especially.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
For our wo R listeners and NYC, the taxes you
are paying to New York and in the New York
City Metro are being funneled to make sure that illegals
are living in four star hotels with culturally sensitive meals
prepared for them, debit cards handed to them in some
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cases with money on it, and all the rest of it,
and horrible crimes being committed by some of these migrants.
I meant to get to the story yesterday. I'll get
to it today. What happened down in Coney Island. I mean,
I think should be a death penalty offense. Of course
that's not going to happen in New York. But the
violent rape of a woman by two illegals, one of
(03:05):
whom had already committed a violent sexual assault somehow not
kicked out of the country. You know, I want to
dive into that story. And also another multiple time offender,
this one I believe in the Boston area raped a child,
a girl, young girl, the fourteen years old. I think
it was a fifteen years old and should have been deported,
(03:28):
wasn't deported. And you will not believe what the Boston
police have done with this guy, despite ice, immigrations and
customs enforcements saying hey, can you hold on to the.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Serial sexual predator.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
We would like to get rid of him from this
country and send him back because he's an illegal.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
What do you think Boston PD did? We're going to
get into all that.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I will never forget our focus here on immigration, illegal
immigration as alongside the debt and the just leviath in
federal government. We have the biggest long term challenge that
the country faces to stay as it is so ed,
(04:15):
to stay a free republic based on a constitution and
with a shared culture, a shared history.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
And yes, a shared language.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
These are all important, critical things, actually critical building blocks
for our society. And if they kick at the load
bearing walls of our civilization as they are doing without
us pushing.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Back, we all know what will happen.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
But I wanted to get into this now because I'm
happy to calm those who are worried and to tell
them that it's gonna be okay. Trump's gonna win. And
if Trump doesn't win, it's you know, we'll figure that
out too. But I mean, it's gonna be okay. Trump's
gonna win this thing, all right. I have I have
(04:58):
faith that he's gonna win. He's gonna win solidly.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I think. I'll tell you this. It marked this prediction down.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I think he's gonna beat Kamala Harris by more than
he beat Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen. There you go,
who would have seen that coming, right? Remember what we
felt like in twenty sixteen. I think he will beat
Kamala Harris in the electoral College by a wider margin
than he beat Hillary Clinton. I think that will actually
happen this time. You can call me crazy, you can
call me crazy, but I think that that's possible. Maybe
(05:29):
that's too bold of a prediction, but I do think
he's gonna win. Maybe I'm walking back my prediction right
now as I'm thinking about the numbers in my head,
but I do think he's gonna win. I believe he's
gonna win, and I think it is rooted in the data.
Let's get into this, Okay. First of all, CNN, Harry Engine. Look,
CNN is doing everything they can to make sure that
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the Harris campaign feels and sounds like it has momentum. Remember,
she's not even really campaigning. The media is campaign for her.
The media's campaigning for her. Now, CNN's data guy said this,
(06:10):
This was yesterday, and I'm gonna get to what he's
said more recently about this. This is yesterday on CNN
News Central, looking at this New York Times Siena poll.
But I'm here to tell you don't worry about this poll,
all right. I don't want to be clear.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I don't look at the polls every day. Oh, I'm scared.
What are we gonna do? It's gonna be fine.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Here is this guy, Harry Enton talking about Kamala Harris
and how Democrats shouldn't be over confident.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
This is twenty three.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Play it in those states dimensioned, those great Lake battleground states,
Trump was underestimated by nine points on average at this
point in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
How about twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
It wasn't a one off look at this he was
underestimated by five.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Points on average.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
And of course, Kamala Harris's advantage in those New York
Times Santa College poles were four points in each of
these key battleground states Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin. The bottom line
is this, if you have any idea, if you're a
Kamala Harris fan and you want to rip open the
champagne bottle, pop.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
That quirk, do not do it. Donald Trump is very
much in this race.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
If we have a polling shift like we've seen in
prior years from now until the final result, donald Trump
would actually win. I'm not saying that's going to happen,
but I am saying that he is very much in
this ballgame. Based upon where he is right now and
compare that to where he was in prior years.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
He's in a better spot than he's been in in
prior years.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I will say, I retract my He'll beat her by
more than Hillary twenty sixteen. As I'm looking at the
electoral map, I had forgotten I was going off the
cuff there. I had forgotten that Trump ran the table
across the Midwest in twenty sixteen. It was remarkable when
you look back at it this time around. I mean,
I'm trying to think of what he could win this
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time that he didn't win in twenty sixteen. The only
thing that really looks like it could have would be Virginia.
But I think Kama's going to win Virginia. In fact, God,
Kamala maybe in some ways a better candidate than Biden
was for the state of Virginia. So scratch that one
from the record. But I do think that he's going
to win. Dude, Maybe he will replicate the twenty sixteen
(08:12):
electoral map. That would be a best case scenario. If
he can win Pennsylvania, he can win. Oh no, I'm sorry, Nevada.
There we go, Nevada. I'm looking at the twenty sixteen
map right now, he'll he could pick up Nevada, which
he didn't pick up in twenty sixteen, So that would
be the one that would be a surprise.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Am I missing anything that else is really on the table?
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
See, I knew there was something, but yeah, I think
that he'll get close to what he did before. I
think the map may look very similar to did in
twenty sixteen. That would be amazing, but I think it's
very possible. I think they're trying to tell you Harris
is in a much stronger position than she is because
they have to shape perception right away. And I think
that the the CNN numbers guru there when he's telling
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you that they've underestimated Trump's strength in the Midwest in
the past, I think that they're doing that again.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
That's very likely.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
And here's why, comes down to the white working class voter.
And I cannot foresee a situation where Trump rather where
Harris does better with those Midwestern white working class.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Voters than Joe Biden did.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
So now we're focusing back on twenty twenty instead of
twenty sixteen. Our friend Ryan Grodoski put this one out
For example, in twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, Trump won
whites without a college degree by thirty six points and
thirty two points. So there, and Ryan says, quote, there's
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no way she's sliced his lead with those voters in half.
It just didn't happen. I've talked to Ryan about this.
I totally agree. I do not believe that there's been
some huge short For this New York Times Siena poll
to be accurate, there would have to be.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
A huge surge.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Of white working class support for Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I do not. I just don't buy it. I don't
buy it.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
But they know, people like me have been saying, why
is Trump going to win white working class voters? So
this is the way that the numbers can come out
and look really strong for Harris. I think that this
is another thing from CNN Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin voters. This
is a percentage of the electorate. Okay, black or Hispanic
(10:35):
in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin. What do you think the percentage
of black and Hispanic voters in those states is overall.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Thirteen percent.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
College educated white voters twenty seven percent in those states
of the electorate, non college educated white voters in those
states fifty percent of the electorate. That half of the
electorate determines this election, and a few percentage points in
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that half of the electorate even those swing states is
going to be determinative. I hope the Trump team is listening.
I hope they're on the ball on point on this one.
I hope they're ready to go, because the numbers are
very clear here. You know, I'm going to tell you
this Trump team in twenty twenty really focused on trying
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to turn.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Out a little more in the black vote, a little
more of the Hispanic vote.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Wasn't a path to victory, wasn't a path of victory,
and didn't work, not a not any meaningful way. Obviously,
Biden's been president for four years. So this time around,
the focus on white working class voters and voter turnout
among that group is.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
The pathway to victory.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
So for those of you listening in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania,
who are truckers, who are plumbers, who are contractors, who
are and assuming you're falling into that non college educated,
which some of you do, some of you don't, but
the trades, those who make a living with their hands, right,
not white collar office workers. You get to determine whether
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Kamala Harris is the president or Donald Trump is the president.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Really, that's what this comes down to.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
So it's a lot of power in your hands and
your friends and your colleagues and your family.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Members in those states. That is where it really matters.
Right now.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
They're trying to claim Kamala Harris has made a huge
has made huge inroads with those voters. Let's return to
that in a moment. I'm open to they just the
poll isn't very good as an argument, but I also
feel like that's a little too convenient, isn't it. They're
suddenly running these really really important numbers that are skewing
(12:49):
toward Harris in this way. I'm just I was thinking
about twenty sixteen. I'm getting a twenty sixteen tingle here.
And I understand, up to this point, we've said the polls,
the polls, the polls. Well, yeah, but that's because both sides.
It was understandable that both sides would see the polls
as accurate because they wanted Biden to be gone, and
it was so obvious that they couldn't. You can shade
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things four percent, three percent, you know, maybe maybe five percent.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Biden was falling off a cliff. I mean, Biden was
going to lose New Jersey. So yeah, there's no there's
no way that you can cover that up in polling data.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
But right now are they playing around with the numbers
a little bit?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Well, they're playing They're changing everything about Harris's record, They're
hiding her from the public. They're doing everything they can
to make sure that she's the president, no matter what
kind of see dissembling lies that they have to tell.
So will they manipulate the numbers the data? Yeah, I'm
sure they will. Let's get into this. I want to
(13:52):
hear your thoughts on this as well. And also we're
going to talk about Tim Walls and what he did
during the BLM riots. Ye offs are shooting at people
with paintball guns to get them to go inside when
they were just standing outside of their own homes, on
their own property. This guy's a totalitarian wacko. Tim Walls
is a totalitarian wacko.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
We'll get back to that.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
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Speaker 6 (15:38):
The problem is he's up against a younger or dynamic
woman who has revitalized the Democratic Party.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
He does not know what to do, so he's falling back.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
On the same kind of insults and denigration and concision.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
And I don't think it's working.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
I don't think it's going to work in that Democrats
need to be very careful enough to fall into that trap.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
But I just don't see that. It's why he's so desperate. Honestly,
I feel bad for the woman City Wilds who's running
this campaign.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
I don't know her, but she seems like a total
pro and I can tell when she's in charge, they
actually seem to be doing well and they talk about
issues like Jennings is training to talk about immigration, okay,
but when Trump is in charge, it's just this nutty
at best and racist at worst of pure Trump.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
I'm gonna tell you something.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
That was Paul mcgala, And the more he is telling
us how great Kamala Harris is and how confident he
is in her strategy, the better I.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Feel about Trump's chances. That's why I played that for
you. You know.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
You know there's that guy Kramer was like, hey, buy
and sell this stock, and he's got their hung hunk
and all the different you know, noises and stuff, very famous,
the NBC guy. And people have talked about the reverse
Kramer fund, where you do whatever he says to buy,
you sell, or whatever he says to sell you buy.
And I don't know how that's really done over time,
but it's kind of an ongoing joke among those who
are placing bets in the markets. I feel that way
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about Paul mcgala and a lot of these old Clinton
A political political hacks, especially when they come forward to
tell you how great Kamala Harris is.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Were they saying.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Kamala Harris was great six months ago? Oh, she's dynamic
and revitalized. The they were trying to find an excuse
to boot her off the Democrat ticket in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Do you remember this? I remember it all these little murmurs.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Harris's roughly fifty staff members, five have lasted from the
beginning of her time as VP to now.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
That's quite an attrition rate.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
The stories written in places like Politico and Axios abow
about how Harris never does the reading, Harris never knows
what's going on. Harris blames her staff and is nasty
and is unprepared and isn't very bright. We're supposed to
forget about all that, right, They were doing that because
there was talking about maybe Gretchen Whitber would be better,
(17:55):
maybe Karen Bass would be better. Maybe you know, you
go down there's all these different possible vps. Maybe you know,
they were gonna have Harris appointed to be like a
federal judge somewhere or something.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
This this was the talk, or it's a Supreme Court.
I don't think that would work. This was the talk
in very recent memory.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Okay, the stories that were coming out about Harris, even
in Democrat media that were trashing or were this year
and now Paulcgllan's like, Oh, she's amazing, She's so great.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
These people are are utterly ruthless.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Have no scruples, no principles, they will say anything.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
But I understand confusion is actually a.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Weapon of politics for them because they can say anything.
They have to defend nothing because they'll change what is
true in their minds today, tomorrow and yesterday.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
How are you supposed to run a campaign against that?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Kamala Harris stands for nothing and somehow everything at the
same time.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
And there's you.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Know, you're you're fighting you know, shadows than dust. Here
you're grabbing at the air, right, you're.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Wrestling with water. It's formless. How do you do this? Well,
this is the game they're playing, so we have.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
To figure it out. Here's a really I mean, this
is particularly amusing to me. Susan Rice. Okay, Susan Rice,
as you know, top advisor for Obama. She's not going
and all the Obama team are now A lot of
the Obama team are coming forward to be team Kamala, right,
and some of them weren't Team Biden. Interesting is it?
(19:34):
But they're coming forward to be Team Kamala. Susan Rice
wants you to know, and I need you to hear
this that Kamala was an essential part of the Biden
administration's policies.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
This is seventeen listen to this one.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
She will, as she.
Speaker 7 (19:50):
Has said, outlined aspects of her economic policy.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Later this week.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
But I think it's very important to remember that this
has been the Biden Harrison agenda. Kamala Harris has been
an integral architect and executor of the policies of the
Biden Harris administration. This notion that she somehow doesn't deserve
credit for, and isn't part of, and wasn't an integral
architect of the Biden Harris administration agenda is not only false,
(20:19):
it's it's frankly somewhat bizarre and offensive.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
It's offensive.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Okay, uh, how was she executive, you know, an executor
of policy here?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
How was she an integral architect? A week ago?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
They were telling us, Okay, let again. I know, guys,
it's we're in the funhouse, mirror world of democrats desperately
trying to cling to power, lie to everybody, smoke screens everywhere.
As soon as Harris was was the chosen, and I
have to keep reminding everybody of this too. You're noticing
that the defense of democracy argument from democrats, you're not
(20:58):
hearing a lot about that the these days, are you
You're not being bombarded with that talking point. Maybe because
Democrats defense of democracy apparently means nullifying a primary election,
installing a presidential nominee with zero votes, then working at
breakneck speed to flood the internet with lies about that
(21:19):
person while the media helps her hide from public scrutiny.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Defense of democracy. Maybe we should all mask up again.
That'll help with democracy, says doctor Fouch. Yeah, it's stunning,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Anything goes, whatever works. They don't even hide it from you.
They don't even try to hide it from you. Michael McFall,
this guy was a US ambassador to Russia. He's a
Russia Trump derangement lunatic.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
And what is he? Probably at some think tech now right?
Oh no, he's at Stanford. Here he is.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
He says the following about Kamala Harris. The amount objective
for Kamala Harris this was on X is to win
this election. If a press conference helps her win, she
should do it. If not, she shouldn't do it. It's
just that simple. She has no moral obligation to talk
to the press. Tone it down, folks. This is a
so called left wing intellectual at Stanford and a former
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US ambassador who's telling everybody. Yeah, lie, if Harris has
to lie by the omission of her public presence, if
the media has to be a party to this, great
whatever they have to do is what they should do.
Anything goes Now I come back to what Susan Rice said.
Sorry I digressed there for a second. I got a
(22:40):
lot of thoughts going on here. They told us as
soon as Harris was the just the chosen by the
Democrat elites, no votes, no primary. Used to be that
Harris was a laugh line. Nobody liked her in the
Democrat Party. She was a joke.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
She got like two percent enter the vote and had
to drop out in twenty twenty. Oh, now she's a savior.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Say what you will about Obama, the guy one, the
guy one and one and one and one.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Guy never lost.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Now I'm not saying that that means I'm an Obama fan, obviously,
but I'm just saying the Democrats, you know, they launched
him into the stratosphere all the way. Kamala Harris has
been rejected by the Democrat electorate, resoundingly rejected, and now
they're pretending.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
That she's great.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Okay, Now on the policy, think Susan Rice, one of
the most prominent members of the Obama administration. A top
Obama advisor, she has said that Kamala Harris is an
architect of Biden policies. Now that's a soundbit, it sounds good.
Which one which policies? As soon as they picked Kamala Harris,
(23:52):
what do we all start to think about? What was
she most associated with as an actual real policy?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
The border? The borders are.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Biden gave her this as part of her vice presidential portfolio,
acting with his stamp of approval, you know, his you know,
it's sort of like, uh, you know, his mandate deal
with the border, and it was such a disaster and
the border has been so bad under the Biden Harris
tenure that the media immediately started to lie and gaslight
(24:24):
you by saying she was never the borders are. There's
no such thing as a borders are. That's a made
up thing. Axios. The left wing news website scrubbed its
own previous descriptions of her as borders are.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
This is Soviets stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
This is like when they would remove people from certain
you know, bureaus in the Soviet Union and they would
use a razor to remove their name from the paper. Records,
you know, like, well there's a hole there now, yeah,
but the name's not there.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
This is the this is.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
The absolute brainwashing of the America people to get a
manifestly unqualified, unprincipled, incapable nominee made president of the United States.
And I have to take this seriously because they made
a dementia patient. Clearly, as they now admit, the president
(25:17):
that States for four.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Years is still the president. Captain Dementia is still the
commander in chief. How is that even possible?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
But this is one of the again challenges that we
have to deal with. When you have no integrity to protect,
you can do and say anything. And that's where the media,
that's where the Democrats are, That's where the Harris Wall's
campaign is. There's nothing that they stand for other than power.
(25:55):
There's nothing that they believe in other than they should
be in charge and the people around that they should
have power over you.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
That's it. Whatever they have to say, whatever lies they
have to tell, it's all and it is.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
It is incumbent upon us to meet this with the
ferocious response of truth in every venue, in every way
we possibly can. Because these are these are unseerious people
who will do serious.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Damage to the country.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
And you'll notice that none of them even present themselves
for exchange of ideas on the other side.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
What answer can they possibly give?
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I mean, you know, I know, I joke around with
you about how I'm like morning Joe's biggest fan. I
do think it's important to watch because I see I
watch the brainwashing process for that audience in real time.
I understand what's going on. But their their host was
saying that Joe Biden a few months ago was the sharpest.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
He's ever been.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
How can a person who says that on television and
puts their whatever integrity they're supposed to have on the
line with such a statement be taken seriously ever? Again,
I mean, he was obviously a dementia patient, as they
now have had to admit, So why should we listen
to anything that's said about well? But this also applies
to the New York Times. They were all complicit in
the lie. And now you go with well, hold on
(27:19):
a second, it's not even new to the Biden administration.
They were complicit in huge lies about Russia collusion and
that Russia stole the twenty sixteen election. They've never they've
never addressed their part in that. In fact, they've given
themselves Pulleitzers. I mean they've they've gone the opposite direction.
So it's, uh, it's a wild thing to watch this
(27:45):
this play out because the counter arguments that I'm arming
you with today will have to be changed next week
because they will change their premise. They will change their
arguments entirely. Kamala Harris wasn't the borders are? Oh now
they're running ads saying that she was great on the
border and so important and so integral to the Obama
(28:07):
I'm sorry the Biden administration's successes, right, but they just
said that she was.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Now she is.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
You know, next week it's going to be, oh, well
she was, you know she is in favor of reparation.
The week after that or coming up in the debate,
Oh no, she's not in favorite reparations. How do you
win an argument with somebody who stands for nothing. We're
going to find out. That's what we're dealing with with Kamala.
That's what we're dealing with with these democrats, and it
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is going to be a challenge. You know, I want
to switch our focus to the Middle East for a second.
There's plenty of speculation still that Israel is going to
suffer from more attacks from these proxy terrorist forces back
by Iran. Hesbelah is really the most ominous of these threats,
and there's reason to believe that Israel could be drawn
(28:58):
into a broader conflict any day now.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
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Diving into illegal immigration right now, let's let's get into it,
my friends. The second biggest issue I think by the
numbers when it comes to what concerns the American public
and voters. Right now, we'll call it ten million. I
(30:32):
can't No one knows the real number. It's ten million
and four years, which is really noteworthy because if you
look at the last census data that they usually use
as their illegal immigration barometer, we were at roughly twelve
million total. They said, now, I think that number is absurd.
It's far too low, but no one disputes that were
(30:55):
over eight million under Biden. Eight million illegal entry. It's
when you add godaways and it's really more like ten million,
and it could be substantially more than that. This is
a huge problem for Democrats, and it's a problem especially
because people now see more than ever are there are
(31:17):
costs to this costs in dollars, costs in services, and
costs in safety for the American people. We do not
know who's coming across. I thought it was worthwhile exchange
between Elon Musk and Donald Trump on that space is
conversation on X that we spend a lot of time
(31:38):
on yesterday. It was worthwhile that Elon Musk said, Look,
this is not about whether most of the illegals or
even you know, ninety ninety five percent of the illegals
are decent people, kind, people just want better things for
their family. It's that we cannot take in the entire
(31:59):
world wants to come here. Our welfare state cannot sustain it,
our society cannot assimilate at that level. It is the
dissolution of the American Republic and this experiment, if you
will that the democracy, if we can keep it right,
it's it's impossible. You cannot allow this to continue, and
(32:23):
you actually have to turn it back, which means have
to be a lot of deportations, have to be a
lot of deportations millions. And part of why you have
to do the deportations is that it changes the calculations
for people who will come in the future. If you
just allow the status quo to persist. Meaning I don't know,
(32:44):
twenty million people in the country, thirty million people in
the country in violation of federal law. Other people will
say to themselves, well, what's twenty million in one, what's
twenty million in two? But if they start sending people
back to their home countries, it's do I want to
pay the coyotes thousands of dollars, the cartel coyotes thousands
of dollars to take me across the border? Do I
(33:04):
want to go on the harrowing journey and take them
up through what the Darien Gap and up through Central
America and through Mexico? And do I want to do that?
Maybe not right now. Obviously millions of them have chosen
to do so, and they're still doing so.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
It's a huge problem. Now.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
The change in this is is really twofold. There's the
change of the numbers. The numbers are now. They can't
play games with this. It's a total flood. It's a
an avalanche of illegality.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
It's a disaster. But what does it mean for people?
You have these.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Left wing and also sometimes libertarian open borders advocates who
just say no.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
It means GDP goes up.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
You know, it means GNP gross national product GDP gross
domestic product means it all goes up. Bigger economy doing
the jobs Americans won't do.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Well.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Hold on a second.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
We have a tough labor market right now, We have
high inflation. We have people can't afford houses. Elizabeth Warren,
we'll talk about her in the third hour. She's saying, Oh,
you know, you can't afford a house. I'm gonna havelf
me up here. You can't afford a house, I'm gonna
make it better with government intervention. This is they agree
(34:22):
it's a problem for people who are working. They always
say the working class is having it tough. Do they
think dumping millions of illegals on the economy who are
working often off the books and therefore paid lower wages
and don't have the benefits and don't have the recourse
to the law. Therefore they can undercut the wages of
those lower on the wage scale. Supply and demand exists,
(34:44):
whether they think they wanted to or not, and so
they never deal with the consequences of the illegality. Well,
one consequence is you got a lot of people that
are on state benefits now right away. And that cost
in New York's city is five billion dollars for shelters, security, food.
(35:06):
And they think, get ready for this. I've been telling
you this all along. They think that that number could
be double by twenty twenty five ten billion dollars. The
entire budget of the forty thousand some odd men.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
NYPD is five billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
The entire budget of the FDNY the Fire Department of
New York. These are obviously the two biggest municipal police
and fire agencies, respectively, in the in the country. The
budget for the Fire department's two billion dollars. They're spending
five billion dollars on illegals. New York City is ruthless
for tracking down people who have been in you know,
(35:46):
who have tried to leave, Oh, you still live in
New York and all this other stuff. California is apparently
the worst, but New York's the second worst at this.
So if you're if you're somebody who is a contributor
who's paying taxes, you get harassed, you get hounded, you
get threatened, maybe even get imprisoned if you like Trump
too much. Like his accountant went to Ryker's Island because
(36:10):
he didn't list the company car on his taxes or something.
It was a state offense, that wasn't a federal offense. Outrageous,
outrageous stuff. But meanwhile, the migrants weren't even supposed to
be here. The city's taking your money and paying for
the migrants. What the heck is that ten billion dollars
next year, even for a city like New York. It's
(36:30):
a lot of money. That's a lot of money. Where
does it come from? Comes from you? Taken by force,
taken under threat of imprisonment, because the law is the
law for you.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
The law is not the law for the migrants. No,
feel sorry for them.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Well, you know, it's getting harder to feel sorry for
the migrants as a group when you see more and
more of these stories like we have in recent days,
because heinous crimes committed by illegals shouldn't be low, it should.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Be zero, because they shouldn't be here.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
So any person who suffers at the hand of an
illegal in this country, whether it's a murder, a rape,
and assault, a robbery, should feel completely betrayed by their
own government. And this is here's a perfect example. This
was just Yesterday, New York Post agents with Immigration and
(37:23):
Customs Enforcement have tracked down a Haitian.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Illegal who had been.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Released on five hundred dollars bond despite facing charges of
raping a child in Massachusetts. This illegal raped a fifteen
year old in Massachusetts and he's twenty six years old.
(37:51):
The ICE, the federal agency that deals with this, asked
the sheriff's office that arrested him for the rape to
hold him so they could start deportation proceedings against him.
And you know what they did. Local sheriff ignored it. Now,
we're not gonna we're sanctuary jurisdiction, so we're gonna let
(38:14):
the child rapists go.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
You have to play.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Go catch him, you get to go catch him.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
There's a child rapist.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
You're a law enforcement officer, and a federal agency says, hey,
that guy, we want to take him. You're you're holding
him on rape charts, but we want to deport it.
This guy shouldn't even be here. And you go, no, sorry,
we're a sanctuary jurisdiction.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I mean, can you imagine? And it gets worse, Oh,
it gets worse, It gets worse.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
This guy's not a from what we see here. Not
a first time defender. So this is what ends up happening. Now,
we have Coney Island, Coney Island in New York City,
you know, and people think of it as amusement park.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Unfortunately, it's a pretty rough neighborhood. Now. Homeless woman allegedly raped.
This is from the New York Post.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Homeless woman allegedly raped at knife point by a migrant
with the sex assault history in Brooklyn told the Post
she felt that the brute was actually trying to kill her.
It wasn't rape, it was attempted murder. The forty six
year old woman said, he didn't try to rape me,
He tried to kill me. In this instance, the woman
was that there's been a Nicaraguan migrant who has been
(39:39):
charged along with another migrant from I'm trying to see
what country he's from. Somewhere in Latin America. Oh yeah,
Mexican national. And they assaulted a man who was with
this woman to keep him away, and then brutalized the woman.
I tried to pull the guy off her, and he
(40:00):
tried to stab me. This guy, the the you know,
boyfriend or the man with the woman who was raped,
said I grabbed the pipe with one hand and the
other one was behind me. He hit me with the brick,
hit me in the back. I ran over and asked
people to call the police. Call the police. These are
all quotes. She was hurt a lot. I was hurt
a little. I'm a man, I got feelings, but she
was really hurt. Ram Sammy added of his girlfriend of
(40:23):
two weeks with whom he'd been living in an encampment
in Coney Island.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
She's messed up right now.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
When it started getting dark out last night, she was
getting paranoid. The victim out of she fought fox, she
couldn't fight anymore. Two illegals raped her at knife point,
beat her boyfriend so that he couldn't come to her aid.
And we find out that the illegal who was the
(40:49):
one who did the forcible rape was already wanted for
other sex offenses. You might be wondering, how can in
an illegal not supposed to be in the he wanted
for an earlier sex offense, still be in the country
and now rapes this woman at knife point in Coney
Island because the Democrats think.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
That this is what this is the way it should be.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Kamala Harris and Tim Wallace think that we need to
just let as many illegals as possible run free in
the country, and if they rape someone, or shoot someone
or stab someone, let's not jump to conclusions and send
them back to their home country. This is the stuff
that America is made of. This is the reality of
our future. They do the jobs Americans won't do, et cetera,
(41:35):
et cetera. Well, hold on a second, if the government
doesn't hold these illegals responsible, how can the government hold
me responsible?
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Why does the law.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Apply to me but not even people, but not people
who by their very presence are violating federal statute and
the sovereignty of the United States.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
They have no answers for this. They have no answers
except to lie to you. Harris is tough on the border. No,
she's not. That is a lie.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
And of course there's a huge component of this as well,
where if you have an objection to the flood of
millions of illegals coming into the country because they are
coming from generally overwhelmingly very poor, lawless and non English
speaking countries.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
The Third World, because they're.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Flooding in from the Third World, that's all you're being racist.
So the immigration system, the purpose of it is to
allow in as many people with no education, no English
language skills, no skills whatsoever, and no knowledge of their
criminal history, no knowledge.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
In what way are they American?
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Well they're not well, then why are they allowed to
be here and get all these services and get this
special treatment from our government? Because they're dissolving the country
in front of your eyes day in and day out.
They're dissolving the United States of America with this nonsense.
That's what's actually happening. And the Democrats are all on
board for it, and they lie and lie, and they
(43:05):
always take the side of the illegals. They're always pushing
to make it easier for illegals to get into the country.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
And then they try to say, oh, we tried to
pass this border bill.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
The border bill would have made it so that they
allow thousands of illegals today. But if it gets to
ten thousand a day, well then that's too much and
we're going to shut it down. All I mean, you know,
you sit here and say, how much worse can it be?
How can any person vote for the continuation just on
the immigration.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Issue alone, with all the illegals.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Coming into the country, How can any serious honest, intelligent
person want to support the Kamala Harris continuation of the
Harris or Biden Harris policies.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
There's no answer. Oh, it's such a complicated issue.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
They make it complicated by refusing to enforce the laws.
They make it worse for everybody by allowing rapists to
rate more than once, even though they are illegals who
shouldn't be in the country.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
I mean, think about this. The guy's wanted for child.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Rape and a sheriff won't work with Immigration and Customs enforcement,
so they release him into the general public. Hey, this
guy's violating federal law. You're a sheriff, we're a law enforcement.
Can you just hold on to him until Nope? Sorry,
sanctuary jurisdiction. Kamala Harris should be asked about that on
(44:28):
the debate stage. Hey, Kamala Harris, do you believe that
illegal alien rapists should be let free after they've been
arrested for committing a rape and not hand.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
It over to Ice for deportation. What do you think
about that, Kamala Harris? Donald Trump's a racist. I mean,
we all know.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Where this is gonna go. We all know how they
have no answers and no response. But we've got to
hammer this stuff. We've got to stay focused on it.
Otherwise they're gonna be in charge for four more years.
You could have more of this.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
It's heinous what they allow, what they encourage.
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Speaker 2 (46:22):
We've been talking a lot today about whatever we can
figure out when it comes to the Harris Walls of policies,
and one area where it's really going to be opaque,
maybe non existent, is foreign policy. Let's talk to our
friend Bridge Colby about this for a moment. He is
(46:45):
a principal of the Marathon initiative and he's also a
former Pentagon official under the Trump administration.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Mister Bridge Colby, great to have you back, Great to
be with you. All right, so let's.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Start with the I think we can just take as
a give in that there hasn't been a lot of
specifics from the Kamala campaign about what they're foreign.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Policy would be.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
But if we're going to assume it is an extension
of the Biden policy, and then add in whatever specifics
we can divine from the statements that have been made
on her behalf, Really, what do we know about what
a Kamala Harris Tim Wall's foreign policy would look like?
Speaker 4 (47:28):
Well, I mean, we don't know much. And don't take
this from you and me. I think the Wall Street
Journal actually ran a piece like a week or two
ago saying people just don't know what she stands for.
And of course she's you know, moving off of positions
that she did take, so it's really all speculation. What
I would say is my read is that she's basically
(47:49):
going to be like closer to a standard issue Democratic
Party sort of activist of the contemporary period. So I'm
just you know, cars on the table. Not a big
fan of President and say the least, but President Biden,
you know, does kind of at least he thinks of himself,
and he tries to harken back to sort of an
earlier period. Obviously his you know, historically his close relationship
(48:11):
to Israel, the connection to NATO and so forth, and
if you look at some of his top leadership Jake Sullivan,
John Finer, Kirk Campbell, Eli Rattner, Frank Kendall, a lot
of these people, you know, I mean, I have my
criticisms of them, but I you know, I think they're
not dreamy idealists, you know, to the to the contrary.
So I think Kamala Harris, what we can see her
(48:32):
top person, for instance, is a guy named Phil Gordon.
He was in the Obama administration, was in the Clint administration.
You know, for instance, he signed a letter that was
put out in the Washington Post about five years ago.
And if you read the letter about China. If you
read the letter, a lot of it seems kind of
unobjectionable to it because they kind of create fake straw men.
But it was basically written to push back on the
(48:53):
shift on China, uh that that was happening under the
Trump administration that you know, Jake Sullivan and Kirk Campbell
and these guys have tried to take over. I mean,
we have a debate about who's better at it. But
that's what leads me to think like we should sort
of expect more like the center of this sort of
Democratic party than what we've gotten, even from Joe Biden,
which is which is pretty darn progressive, and so that
(49:14):
worries me, you know, I know she for instance, a
few years ago, she said she wants to cut the
defense budget. I mean, I'm not one of these people
is out there saying, which triple the defense budget, but
been cutting the defense budget in this time. That's pretty worrying.
So again, a lot of this is speculation and inference,
but I think she's going to be more sort of
progressive even than Biden.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
I mean, I would offer, just from the political pugilist
side of this equation, that it's supposed to be this
is what they want, which is that the foreign policy
is whatever they have to say it is in the minute,
and nobody actually knows what it is. So then it's
a harder target, do you know what I mean. It's
you know, you're you're sort of punching at the wind.
(49:52):
And and I think that that's a larger theme in
the campaign overall. But let's drill down then into reality
and the hero and now for second, on the foreign
policy scene, one thing that well I'm a little bit.
Speaker 4 (50:04):
Surprised, yes if I say one thing just on that
page of course, is just you know, look, I think
you're putting your finger on something, which is we are
in an exceptionally dangerous period where we've got a wild
mismatch between a rhetoric that Biden and others have gotten
us into and the fact that there are multiple wars
around around the world and the resources that we are
(50:25):
putting at that problem in terms of the defense budget
and so forth, and the American people are willing to
put it at the problem. The New York Times even
was reporting today that the Russians and Chinese are co
op collaborating more on military operations than ever before. And
so President Trump, I think, is putting something out there
saying we're in the verge of World War three. We
need to be strong, but we also need to use
the military sparingly as as I think the Platform correctly said,
(50:48):
and I mean, I agree with that, but that's a
serious message in a very serious time. We don't have
time for this kind of fluff where people are just
kind of message testing it. We've got If you're going
to pursue the kind of Ridicten might be, well, the
overly expansive Biden approach, you got to back that up
with big defense spending increases. You got to do xyz
she's showing none of that, so she's not having a
(51:09):
political mandate, so she's you know, in a sense, like
the analogy I used, we're heading towards the Titanic, at
least offer us a way to not hit the iceberg,
and here we're just having to guess at what the
captain is proposing as we hurtle towards the iceberg. Whereas
I think President Trump and Senator Vance are offering a
very clear and I think very common sense and the
right approach, but at minimum should be able to evaluate.
(51:31):
Isn't that what democracy is about?
Speaker 2 (51:33):
I mean, come on right, well, as you can see
everyone can see I think now pretty clearly on one
of the hotspot issues, which is Israel Hamas slash Hesbala
slash Iran. The Democrats that they want to just have
a deafening silence on this to degree they can right
before the election, because they can't have it both ways,
(51:54):
and for their electorate they need to have it both ways,
and that's that's going to be a challenge for them.
We're speaking of Bridge Colby, principal of the marria On Initiative. Bridge,
tell me about this incursion into Kursk and the Ukraine
front and how this has changed.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Is this a big deal.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
I'm actually a little surprised given all the you know,
Slava Ukraine and the flags and everything we see from Democrats.
There's not more talk about this right now, but I
guess it's just full throttle Kamala is like, you know,
Jesus or whatever. So what does this mean that there's
been a counter offensive by Ukraine in the Russian territory.
Speaker 4 (52:29):
Well, just parenthetically on that, I think David Sachs put
this out that like the Kamala image on the front
of Time, where she actually does kind of look like
a religious icon. The most important part was that she
declined to comment for the article.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
We ever talked about that yesterday.
Speaker 4 (52:44):
Yes, it's surreal, it's like beyond mockery. But it's a
great question. I mean, I think I was certainly surprised
taken aback, I would say, impressed by the Ukrainians prowess.
I think we have yet to figure out what's going on.
Zelenski started talking about it now. Ukrainians senior leaders, it's
not immediately clear, entirely clear to me what their goals are.
(53:05):
Are they trying to like discombobulate the Russians. Are they
trying to seize territory to hold a leverage for future negotiations,
That's what Putin was suggesting. Are they trying to kind
of change the narrative away from you know, the sort
of the steady progress that the Russians are making in
the main theater, which in the East. I have to say,
I'm skeptical, and I'd probably even go farther. I don't
(53:27):
think that this is going to change the fundamentals, you know.
I mean, and even in the time New York Times
reporting this morning, there's real questions. American officials were apparently
saying off the record as they usually do, or sort
of anonymously, you know, we're not sure that the Ukrainians
made the best decision. We're not exactly sure what they're
trying to say, But I think the jury is still out.
But look, I think what we've seen in Ukraine over
(53:49):
the last two and a half years plus is there's
no fancy, kind of decisive blitzkrieg style, you know, thing
that totally transforms. It didn't happen for the Russians at
the beginning. It didn't happen for the Ukrainians in late
twenty twenty two, or in the big counter offensive in
twenty twenty three, and so it's still a matter of
numbers and resolve, and I think unfortunately that favors the Russians,
(54:11):
and so this might help the Ukrainians somewhat, but I
don't see it as a fundamental game changer or something
like that.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
Let's assume that I'm right. Trump wins. The cavalry arrives
over the hill at just the right moment on election day,
so to speak, and Trump is now commander in chief.
He's been saying that he's going to end this Russia
Ukraine conflict, and now he's Trump, so he just sort
of says I will end it, and people are taking
(54:38):
him at his word.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
What do you think that looks like?
Speaker 4 (54:42):
Well, man, I hope you're right about winning. It's obviously
as tight race now, but I think we definitely need
change and.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
Keep the faith, bridge keep the faith.
Speaker 4 (54:52):
I'm a believer, but take nothing for granted, right, But
you know more about this than I do. But look,
I don't know. I mean, I don't speak for president,
as you know, and I don't make any presumptions about
myself or anything like that. But I will say, just
on the issue of how much President Trump has actually
laid out his plan. I think it's actually pretty sort
of almost like best practice not to talk to in
(55:14):
too much detail about what the plan is. That's actually
what Dwight Eisenhower did in nineteen fifty two when pretty
much all I said about ending the Korean War was
I will go to Korea. Or Ron Reagan nineteen eighty
said he would solve as I understand a the Iran
hostage christ he didn't get into a lot of detail.
So I mean, you don't want to put all your
cards on the table.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
So it is basically the force of personality is the promise,
and you trust in the commander in chief to show up,
pound his fist on the table and get it done.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
I mean that that actually is the strategy at some level.
Speaker 4 (55:40):
Well, I think it's the strategy. But also like, look,
I mean Biden sort of locked into this terrible policy
and if anything, Harris looks like she's going to continue it,
which is rhetorical maximalism about you know, Putin is the
evilest guy who ever lived. He's obviously a bad guy,
like he's done a lot of bad things. That's not
the issue, but it's not backed up by like any
kind of plausible strategy. And I'm not ana the Wall
(56:00):
Street Journal lot ed page on this point. But where
they do have a point is saying, like, what are
we doing. We're slow dripping them resources and money. Meanwhile
we're talking, you know, we're progressively allowing attacks into Russia.
Putin responds to this thing by saying, taking negotiations off
the table. I mean, obviously that could be a maneuver,
but it's like what we're doing for the last two
and a half years is not working out. I mean,
the Biden administration will tell you, oh, we're winning. Well,
(56:22):
if you compare it to like complete catastrophe, it's better
than that. But I don't think anybody in Ukraine or
a rational person looking from the outside would say that
if you looked at this from the beginning of Biden's term,
this is a good outcome. Now maybe if it's not.
You know, I think the force of personality is part
of it, but it's also a different common sense approach.
I mean, one of the things where Trump President Trump
gets flack, which I think is telling, is when he says, hey,
(56:45):
you know, I need to have a good relationship with
or you know, at least a talking relationship with Putin
or Kim Jong un or Shi Jinping. I think that's
actually makes sense. Like Richard Nixon was able to talk
to him as a dong. We were talking to the
head of the Soviet Union. That was considered a good
because you need to be able to potentially come to
some different agreement. So I think a different approach where
(57:05):
there is also more, as you know, concern about what
the Americans might be prepared to do on like the
economic sanctions front or whatever. I mean, you know, I
don't know what's what's the total universe, but I don't
think it's out of the question because like maybe Russia
doesn't over long term want to be a dependency of China.
And I think this is again something the present I
think he said to Elon Musk the other night, was saying,
(57:26):
which is again like it used to be a truism
of American forigm policy. You don't want the Russians and
the Chinese allied against you, right, it's like kind of
a basic high giene of American form positive.
Speaker 1 (57:35):
Yeah, and never never find a land war in Asia,
et cetera.
Speaker 4 (57:38):
Yeah, exactly, So like I do think, you know, I
I don't know, and I don't you know, I don't
know what Putin's actual negotiating parameters are, but presumably he
doesn't want the war to go on forever and so forth.
I think at least at least worth trying it out.
I do think that the Ukrainians are going to need
to be supported whatever happens. But I think, as President
Trump said in his true social post a few months ago,
(57:58):
that's got to be on the Europeans.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
That seems reasonable.
Speaker 2 (58:01):
Yeah, well real, real quick, Bridge really got about a minute.
But I'm just wondering. Yeah, there's this this sense of,
oh my gosh, Iran is going to have some kind
of a CounterPunch against Israel and it could be horrible.
Speaker 1 (58:15):
Is this Iran taking its time?
Speaker 2 (58:17):
Or do people sometimes underestimate the limitations of the Iranian
state to really engage in any kind of a sort
of certainly a conventional military strike.
Speaker 4 (58:29):
Yeah, it's a good question. You know, It's one of
the things going back and you and I've been in
this field a while, like you know, where people would
say the Iranians are totally irrational, and actually, like if
you look at and particularly how the Israelis are thinking
about them, and they're calculus The Iranians are calculating, and
they know what's up, you know, So like I don't
it sounds like the Israelis and we are preparing for
an Iranian attack, and you know, I think that would
(58:49):
probably be where you'd put your money. And again, as
the Israelis have shown, but the Iranians too, you can
take your time in retaliating. But what exactly that looks like?
I don't think we know there's a story of the
Israelis may go after hasblah as as even used in
Iranian retaliation as a pretext. So Iran's going to be
factoring that in, Like is this gonna net benefit us
to do something? But they certainly put themselves in a
(59:11):
position where where they've put their credibility on the line
quite a bit. So unfortunately, I think that's probably the
way to bet. But I hope it's not. I certainly,
I hope it's not successful, But I hope it's not
very robust.
Speaker 2 (59:22):
Bridge Colby, everybody, Bridge, give me a tour the Pentagon
when you're under Secretary of Defense.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
All right, looking forward to.
Speaker 4 (59:28):
Kindn't make any assumptions but always a great talk to
you guys.
Speaker 1 (59:32):
Yeah, man, thanks so much appreciated.
Speaker 2 (59:34):
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