December 9, 2024 • 50 mins
Daniel Penny NOT guilty. Kirsten Fleming describes courtroom reaction. UnitedHealthcare CEO murder suspect caught. Idit Ohel, mother of Nova festival hostage, Alon.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. I am live
from Jerusalem. Probably not what you expected to start your
Monday off with. We have been touring all over this
country yesterday to the border with Lebanon. Today down at
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all the terrorist sites running alongside of Gaza. We are
going to be talking about the situation here. The Asad
regime has fallen in Syria. What does it feel like
to be in Israel right now, with Hesbola, with Hamas,
all of those different discussion points. At one o'clock we
will actually talk to a mother whose son remains a
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hostage inside of Gaza about what that experience has been like.
But as we join all of you right now on
this Monday morning, major breaking news and it is a
great news story for I think America, for New York City,
for people who believe in justice. Daniel Penny, the marine
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who was charged with manslaughter with responsibility culpability for Jordan
Neely's death on the New York City subway. This case
has been going on for around a month. The jury
has been deliberating for several days. They dropped one of
the charges and went to a lesser charge of negligent homicide.
(01:34):
He was found not guilty. A unanimous jury rejected the
prosecution by DA Alvin Bragg's New York City office.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
And this is a.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Huge win for juries, for basic common sense, for the
idea of individuals being able to protect themselves and others
in New York City, and frankly, I think beyond because
because this jury verdict is going to reverberate around the country. Buck,
as a New York City born and raised resident native,
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you followed this case probably more carefully than many did.
You've been on the subway a lot. You've seen over
the years the subway descend from a place where you
might feel comfortable with your wife, or your mom or
your sister being on the subway to a point where
a lot of people now say, hey, don't even try it,
because of the criminal element that has taken over much
of the New York City subways over the past several years.
(02:33):
What was your reaction when this verdict came down first was.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Just the absolute relief that Daniel Penny's life is not
going to be destroyed because of the mob outside literally
and metaphorically threatening violence. Just to be clear that this
has now become something that the media doesn't really like
to talk about very much. But there were not just protests.
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There are people that were saying, you know, we're the
ones who patrol the streets, were the ones who were
going to come out there and there'll be justice by
our hands if the court doesn't do the right thing.
Very unsettling chance and meant to intimidate outside that courtroom.
Daniel Penny, This is a I hope, a turning of
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the tide when it comes to criminal justice in New
York City.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I've been there, Clay.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I lived through one of the most remarkable criminal justice
transformations of any city anywhere in the world in our lifetime,
when New York went from when I was in junior
high about twenty two hundred murders a year, twenty two
hundred over two thousand people killed in the City of
New York to at the low under three hundred, and
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even in a short period of time under Mayor Giuliani,
it got down to five or six hundred, which was
remarkable considering it was at twenty two.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
So at some.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Point people say enough is enough. At some point, the
propaganda and the brainwashing of our criminal justice system is racist.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
It is not racist.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
There are people who are racist in this country, and
in the criminal justice system there is imperfection. There are
racist things that can happen, but it is very rare.
Our criminal justice system, when it is allowed to function,
when rule of law is the guide, actually goes and
functions quite well. So I think that the situation in
New York City is I would hope Clay the beginning
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of an entire sea change of thinking in that city.
You've been seeing some of these pieces, right, You've got
Mayor Adams who was saying, I hope the jury does
the right thing. I believe he meant this, meaning a
not guilty verdict for Daniel Penny. You have Andrew Cuomo
gearing up to run again. I know he's a jerk.
I know he's a liar. We'll talk about all of that. However,
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he's going to run on a somewhat law and order platform.
There's a Whitney Kilson who's actually a family friend of mine.
He's running in New York City as well. He's a Democrat,
but he's running on a law and order and pro
business platform. So people realize that they've suffered enough Finally,
you know, Clay, this is I think what was a surprise.
(05:16):
The level of suffering that the people of New York
and other cities under Democrat control were willing to endure
was more than I thought saying people would. However, it
wasn't endless. And I think this is a symbol of
We're sick of getting on the subway and having shirtless
maniacs who haven't bathed in months, threatening women, threatening children,
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threatening oftentimes predominantly minorities on the subway car on their
way to work, on their way to do things the
right way.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
We're sick of this. It's not okay anymore. We want
law and order.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
I am so pleased, and I hope that this is
the beginning of a whole change in the thinking. At
the bottom of the hour, we'll talk with Kirsten Fleming
from the New York Post. You may remember that we
talked to her about her observations in the courtroom. She
will join us and tell us what it was like
for this verdict. Let me kind of dive into the
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jury here for a minute.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Buck. In many ways, this.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Feels like it may well be the Swan song, the
end of BLM and defund the police because this was
a This was a case that frankly never should have
been brought. As we talked about, Buck, it wouldn't have
been brought if the races were the same, if the
races were reversed. This was a white man, evil black
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man victim white black narrative that has unfortunately been predominant
in the identity politics laden era. This jury, it's let
me let me just give credit to Daniel Penny's defense
attorneys here. It's hard, Buck, when the state or the
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federal government decides that they're gonna put their full resources
behind prosecuting you to get a not guilty verdict in
a criminal case. Now, partly this not guilty verdict came,
I think because it should have never been brought. This
was an aggressive prosecution that again was I think race
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based in nature. But this jury unanimously rejecting the charges
is a signature statement for New York City residents. I
would also point out they dropped charges on Friday. In
a more serious charge, they couldn't reach a verdict.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I thought that meant a mistrial was likely.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
This is what a jury should do, Buck, They should talk,
and they managed some people in that jury managed to
convince others, you know what, he's not guilty. It sounds
like the majority was able to finally persuade the minority.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Here. Here's what I think it was.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
It was a little ominous in a sense that they
had the judge dismissed. The judge could have just declared
a mistrial last week, and I think a lot of
legal observers felt like that's what should have happened under
the circumstances, and said he dismissed the top count, and
that looked a lot to I think observed. I was
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one of them two observers like, oh, he's trying to
sort of direct them in this legal mage, direct the
jury toward the lesser charge, which, by the way, would
have had no mandatory prison time. So you could have
had a situation where the jury looks at this and goes, Okay,
look he's not going away for reckless homicide. Maybe you know,
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we kind of split the baby here and we take
And so that was the concern. That was the concern
I had going into the weekend. But what may have
happened here, Clay is I think the jury recognized, hold
on a second, the judge is doing something very unusual,
and it feels like the system is trying to get
a certain verdict here by doing so. I think that
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at least in the minds of some of those jurors,
there might have been a rejection of the system trying
to stack the deck against Penny, because it was clear
to me they wanted them to go for this lesser
meaning the judge, never mind the prosecution was steering them
toward the lesser charge. And my understanding is that now
the top charge cannot be revived.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Clay spoke to a friend of mine on.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
The prosecution side of things, they can't, So this is it.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
He is free and clear.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
And this is also critical, not just because justice feels
like it has been done in this case. The process
is the punishment. I do not forget that this charge
never should have been brought. I think that's an asterisk
we have to put on this. But I was worried
that even if you got convicted and given no jail time,
he could then get civilly sued. He still can be,
but I think it's a different context. Now be sued
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and all of his wages for the rest of his
life would have been going to pay the family of
Jordan Neely who show up suddenly after abandoning him to
the streets living as a schizophreniact with you know, drugs
and assault charge anything else. I think Daniel Penny's in
much better shape now to have a life going forward.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
You're right about the civil charges. They still will be brought.
The preponderance of the evidence standard is there. He still
could be hit with a substantial verdict there. That would
be a financial penalty, not a criminal penalty. My concern
for him is this buck. First of all, my concern
is New York City. I think that BLM is effectively done.
(10:41):
But if they could riot, they might try to ryot
based on this. Again, I don't know that there is
that same impetus. This will be an interesting test to
see whether I don't think.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I'll tell you I think on the suffering enough, Have
we suffered enough under this clay? You're not gonna have
cops and FBI agents and other people taking the knee.
A lot of people, and disproportionately a lot of young
black men died because of the de policing.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
That be almed cause. I hope you're right.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I would encourage him to move to a different state
he's free now. I understand he's from the New York
City area. There are a lot of places buck where
I think he could be a lot safer. My concern
now is he's very well known. Does somebody try to
do something to him? Same concern I had with Kyle Rittenhouse.
By the way, when you're prominent and found not guilty,
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you still have risks from the larger world.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Well, I think Daniel Pennedy would be a very welcome
addition to say South Florida, to perhaps Tennessee, to.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
See where I think people would be happy to have him.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
There are some there are some places that as an
as a exonerated they like to use that word in
New York as an exonerated former marine who did nothing wrong.
I think a lot of states would welcome him, a
lot of the populations. I agree with you that New
York City is going to be a hostile environment for
him for the foreseeable. If I were him, I would
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go somewhere where he's But you know, we're getting a
little ahead of it right now. Just the fact that
they didn't, I mean, Clay, this could have gone the
other way, and I think it would have been so
depressing to everybody in New York. You know, I still
have half my family lives right in New York City.
Oh yeah, And I think a lot of people that
I mean, most of my friends, people I grew up with.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Still live in New York City.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
And it just would have been so depressing to them
that Alvin Bragg, who tries thirty seven felony counts against Trump,
always downgrades all these other felonies for actual criminals and
then brings this felony prosecution. It just feels like it
would have felt like nothing had been learned and there
was no hope. There's hope now for the city of
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New York, and I hope that somebody seizes this. I
know we are not in the habit of talking, you know,
talking favorably about Demo crap politicians here, but when they
deserve it, we will say it. And there's an opening
for the Democrats to clean up New York or you know,
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Here'ston Fleming of the New York Coast has been covering
every day of the Penny trial. She was in the
courtroom when the not guilty verdict was read. Here's some
thanks for being back with us. Just take us into
what it was like, what it's like inside the courtroom
in those moments, and what you're hearing outside as well.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Well. It's interesting because this morning, by the way, thanks
for having me on. But it's interesting because this morning
I had filed my column, had talked about that. One
little thing I noted was that there wasn't that many
protesters there anymore, because they were really loud for the
opening statements, but this morning it was really amped up, loud, agitated,
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and so the whole morning was really the lawyers fighting
over you know, fighting over the protests, and the defense
had asked for mistrial because of it. You know, the
jurors are able to hear it. There's bull worn. This
time there was actually some pro Penny protesters, which I
didn't hear, so that kind of set the scene, you know, early,
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Like the first thing that we did this morning was
listened to this this back and forth about the pro
yests and if it was affecting the jury or not.
And the judge said to the defense that he wasn't
going to grant the mistrial, but if you wanted him
to speak to the jury, he can say, I want,
you know, but just a reminder to ignore whatever your
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hearing from outside, because they were saying things like subway strangler,
no juge, like no justice, no peace, no, you know,
one of those types of things. And so it was
it was pretty intense in the courtroom to begin with.
So we set the stage with that, the protests kind
of quiet down, and then we get a note about
like half an hour later and they have a verdict and.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
It was very quick.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Sorry go ahead, no, no, no, I was just going
to say, we opened up the show when they dismissed
the higher verdict. That is the more severe punishment I expected.
The best case scenario for Daniel Penny was a mistrial
because the jury couldn't come to an agreement. Were you
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surprised that the jury came to an agreement to render
him not guilty. What sort of reaction did that provoke
in the courtroom. What did it run counter to maybe
your expectations, and certainly it did mine, maybe other people
in the courtroom as well.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
Well.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I think it was a shock because some people were saying,
we're going to expect to hung on this one as well,
and you know, it was all you know, everybody's talking about. Well,
you know, there was still one issue that was the
justifications of Lynch Pinbull, So people were not necessarily seeing
that not guilty, especially pretty early in the morning. So
when it came out, you know, it's like this build up, right,
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It's like a month and a half of sitting in
that courtroom and then all of a sudden they have
a note and it's done. Like that, So people were
not people. No one really knew what was going to happen.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
It was.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
It was really suspenseful and when they said not guilty,
there was cheers that broke out. The judge had to
come to order. Jordan Neely's father, who has just filed
a lawsuit against Daniel Penny last week, before the verdict
was even out, started yelling and we don't know what
he was saying, but he was escorted out. Hawk Newsom,
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who is the BLM representative of New York, he started
to you know, they got up and they were all
jib or gabbering, and he said something like small world, buddy,
like a good son of very threatening, and then his
sister said, this is a racists in country and they
were all escorted out. And then another woman, an older
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black woman who I've never really seen before. She may
have been there, but I really didn't recognize her. She
started wailing, like wailing like she was at you know,
someone's casket. I mean it was. It was really really
intense and really dramatic, and they escorted all of them out.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
What are they saying outside the court room. I've seen
some audio from the kind of the mob or the
protesters or whatever that have gathered out there. Some of
the stuff that I've heard, Kirsten is ominous, especially as
somebody who has a lot of family and friends who
still live in New York City.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Yeah, you know, they had, you know, the Neely party,
which consists of some family members as fathers, father's attorney,
and some of the BLM people. They were holding a
press conference outside, and you know, some of the stuff
that I heard from Hawk Newsom is that you know,
he was talking about if they're going to let white
vigilanteism occur, we need to respond with black vigilanteism, which
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was you know, obviously quite severe.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
We've got the audio for people out there. We're going
to play that for you later in the show. Also,
I mean, there's a lot of awful racist things being
said by BLM New York. Do you get to bucks point, Kirsten,
Do you get the sense that this is ominous and
there's something more coming based on the vibe around the courthouse.
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I mean, it's early in the BLM is trying to
call for some for some violence. What's your take on that.
I know it's difficult to predict, but what do you
have the.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Sense of So this is my the point of my
column today. I really feel like in twenty twenty three,
in May, when they when this story was first first,
when this happened, this story was framed as this racist
white vigilante chokes out poor Michael Jackson impersonator, and you know,
obviously our institutions are captured, and everything sort of ensued
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from there. But I think the woke fever has really
broken and there's been very There was probably the people
who were outside screaming. It's the same people who have
been at some of the anti Israel stuff, you know,
and it was probably about like fifteen people screaming at
the police, you know, So it didn't I just feel
like they've lost the sort of there's an empantasy there.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Yeah, I think that it could be different this time around.
Here's for the Kirsten Fleming for New York Post. Thank
you for being with us. Thank you for covering this trial.
I think that was really important that people had a
sense all along of what was going on there, and
you're reporting on it was excellent.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
So thank you for being here with us.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Thank you so much, guys, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
We've got the Daniel Penny verdict that came down not guilty.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
We were very pleased about that.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Here on Clay and Buck thought it was the right thing,
the right thing for New York City, the right thing
for justice. Also, the alleged assassin of the United Healthcare
CEO now in custody, and.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
You know, I mean, it's they got a lot of
stuff on this guy.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Before we go back into that, though, Clay, I just
have to say, because I called this as I was
doing a headline scan, make sure we're up to in
the latest breaking news. Here the photo that they have
chosen for the currently for the front page of the
Washington Post for the Daniel Penny case. Daniel Penny, it's hard.
You'd have to say see it, so I don't know.
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I mean, I'll share it on X people can see
then make it look like he's Voldemort.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
It's just so interesting that.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
There's like it's a dark photo, there's shadows behind him.
He has a kind of almost a grimace on his face,
an air of menace. The Washington Post is just a disgrace.
That's why they're such a disgrace and such a propaganda
rag for the left. And now let's talk about the
leftist anarchist who or anti capitalist who goes to Ivy
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League schools, went to a fancy prep school and murdered
a man in cold blood because he didn't like the
way that healthcare policy.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Had been going in this country.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Clay, This here's something that is in the back of
my mind as we're seeing all of this, people are
asking right now or they're gonna be blm riots in
New York City. And I don't know if the left
is really in the race riot mood right now. Perhaps,
but if you recall, it wasn't long ago when anti capitalism,
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anti corporatism, and antifa were very much where the left
wing shock troops.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Were focusing there.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Back in the Occupy Wall Street days, back in the
twenty eleven, you know, twenty twelve, twenty thirteen era, you
had these radical leftist types who were pushing all these
different communist ideologies effectively in this country. Maybe we'll see
something of a resurgence of that among the Democrat vanguard
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going forward. I don't know, but I still am in shock,
and I think I'm rarely shocked, but I still was
in shock reading the comments all across the internet after
this assassination. How many people were willing to publicly and
even in their own name.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Support the just cruel.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Assassination of a fellow human being, of a father, of
a husband, of an American on the streets of New
York City. You know, the Left is looking for something
these days to rally around. I wonder if this anti
capitalism thing is going to grow more as a cause
for them as part of the resistance.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
It's a fantastic question, which frankly has a lot of
CEO spooted. Many of them now are taking out personal
security and a lot of these websites are taking their
photos off of the front of websites so that it
isn't as easy to know who they are. We were
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talking about this off air Buck. I don't know if
there's more than five or six CEOs that I would
actually recognize, and they're famous, right, Tim Cook, Elon Musk,
Bob Eiger, Lachlan Murdoch, who's the CEO of Fox, because
I know him personally. But there's only like five or
six that I would recognize at all. Most of them
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are not incredibly public individuals in terms of the profile
beyond their job. I would be very nervous if I
were a healthcare CEO that this would create some kind
of copycat situation and this individual, I do think the
fact that he is a graduate of Gilman. For those
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of you who know the Baltimore area, that is the
elite all boys private school, probably the most expensive school
in the entire city. My college roommate was a graduate
of Gilman. He's the one who just texted me that
a picture of this would be assassin from their yearbook
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and also an Ivy League grad at the University of Pennsylvania.
What is going on that this kind of toxicity could
exist on the left and buck Remember we've heard for
so long, Oh, the reason why we had to go
arrest all of those right wing radicals, the reason why
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we're showing up at at protest rallies relating to abortion
and knocking on people's doors who were standing outside of
abortion clinics, is because right wing radicalism can't be allowed.
Doesn't it seem like there's an awful lot of left
wing criminals that are actually the people terrorizing much of
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America right now? I mean, if this were a right
wing Trump zealot who walked up with a gun and
shot someone in cold blood, it would be everywhere. Oh,
this is what Trump's election has caused. Look at how
the right wing extremists are enabled. At what point do
we start having conversations about the radicalization of people on
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the left such that this guy's gonna believe he's a hero.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I think that we're already.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
This is what I kept saying about how flabbergashed that
I was by the online response to this. There was
far more support than I would have anticipated for something
so so cold blooded and so heinous. Uh, you know,
this is this is a It was a dark moment
honestly for those of us who cover the news and
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cover opinion to see how many people out there were saying, yeah, okay,
maybe I don't agree. I agree with this as if
it was you know, like somebody was rude. I mean,
the assassinated somebody in cold blood from behind. And it
just goes to I think there are a lot of
the left is comprised clay of deeply when you look
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at the real left, like the hardcore left, they are
deeply unhappy and emotionally and psychologically unstable people, and they
need something to explain that they don't want to look within,
and so they grab onto these causes, whether it's systemic racism,
or it's climate change is going to kill us all,
or anti capitalism and Marxism. They these different ideas, these
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isms that they become obsessed with, come from a deep
psychological need, a need to externalize their unhappiness, their rage,
their sense of extreme injustice. And it's much easier to
them and much more comforting to focus on their perceived
enemies than it is to look at, well, what can
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I do to actually make the world better or make
people's lives better around me? And so this is why
the left hops from issue to issue. They hop from oh,
this is the most important thing in the world, that
that's the most important thing in the world. And they're extremists.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
You know that.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Right now, we've been talking a lot about the trans
surgery for miners issue because it went to the Supreme Court,
that became a big cause for the left. You know,
they they just jump from these it from issue to issue,
and you know, there could be a moment here where
this becomes something much more prominent in certainly the conversation
among left wing radicals in this country. And I agree
(28:47):
with you, I think a lot of CEOs are on
edge right now, and understandably so, because one of these
is an incident, is an assassination. If another one happens,
then then it's a trend. Right then there's a real
sense of foreboding about what this means for the future.
And instead of people just you know, voting or even
(29:09):
voting their shares as shareholders of companies, taking that is
into their own hands in a violent way. I mean,
this is deeply destabilizing. If this grows beyond just one,
I think it's a concern.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
And there's a report up that this individual had posted
a review of Ted Kazinski's manifesto saying violence never solved
anything is a statement uttered by cowards. This guy has
(29:43):
an Amazon profile and was rating the manifesto of Ted Kazinski,
the unibomber.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
So these build.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
My point on this is these build on top of
each other. So if I'm out there and I'm thinking,
is this guy to get some sort of positive coverage
in leftist media, and based on their early reactions, it
doesn't seem crazy to me that he could. To your point, Buck,
that could spurn a further copycat related move where somebody
(30:14):
looks at the way this guy's received and says, oh,
I want to be famous like him, let me also
do what he did.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
You know, I also think he had to be aware
he was going to get caught, which is right, it
doesn't which is why he's traveling with the manifesto, right,
because the expectation is at some point he's going to
get recognized. I mean, if this guy had approached this differently,
you know, if he's a radical leftist, the sort of
standard move that somebody like this would take, I think
(30:43):
would be you try to get either you try to
just appear across the border into Mexico, or better for
the purposes of non extradition and not being able to
be caught, you try to just get to Cuba. I
mean some you know, radicals, murderers people in the past
have gone to Cuba because they've been given safe harbor.
There does a thumb in the eye of the United States.
He wasn't gonna he wasn't gonna wait this thing out
(31:05):
in Pennsylvania, is my point. So he knew he was
gonna get caught. And and I think now he's looking
forward to the I mean, based on what we're seeing,
he's looking forward to the trial and all but the manifesto, Clay,
you pointed this out.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Two pages. This guy he's a really good you.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Know, this is a little bit laz on. The manifesto. Yeah,
that's not much of a manifesto. I mean, you know
he's he's talking to Ted because it wasn't the Unibomber manifesto,
like really long. I don't even remember now maybe it wasn't.
Oh it was hundreds of pages. Yeah, he did it
tiptoe up to the unibomber Manifesto. I mean it was
it was super detailed. So two pages. I don't know
(31:43):
that we can call it a manifesto. But uh, but
certainly this guy wanted to be famous. To your point,
if he was trying to commit an assassination and flee
and never be caught again, you wouldn't go to Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I also, I mean, he's he because of the political
cause that he has attached himself to very clearly, and
that he acted on. You know, Clay, this isn't like
a school shooter situation. I do think every I mean
meaning I think everyone's gonna say this guy's name all that.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
No, he's going to be famous. This is going to happen,
which is what he wanted.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
You don't know, you don't go to an al two
to p a McDonald's. I mean, he's still going out
to eat publicly. He's you know, walking into He didn't
go through the drive through, He walked in.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
This is what I'm saying. This is a guy who
wanted to be caught.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
He wanted to think his family recognized him. Surely, right,
wouldn't you think that his mom and dad would have
seen this photo, brothers and sisters and said, uh, oh,
that's that's this, that's our brother, that's our sister. I mean,
that's our son. I mean, in other words, I'm surprised
the name wasn't out in advance. Wouldn't you think they
would see that it'd be and right, I'm not I'm
surprised McDonald's did that. They might because the situation like this,
(32:47):
someone like this on the run, you know, it's very
possible that that turns into a lethal force situation for
law enforcement. I mean, this guy murdered somebody with a
sponsor in cold blood. If you get him backed into
a corner, you know, if you want him at least
to be taken alive and able to be processed through
the justice system.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
You know, you probably want to, even if you're a
family member, help this be done without you know, the
chance of there being a lethal force incident for him.
I don't know, I'm surmising, but yeah, I gotta say
I'm I'm actually I didn't really have a strong inclination
one way or the other about motive. I thought both were.
You know, there was the possibility that this was a
(33:25):
paid hitman. I will say some of the people who
said this guy it was planned but he wasn't a pro.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
That was correct. It was it was it.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Was planned out well in advance, but he was not
a pro, meaning he's not somebody with tactical training or proficiency.
He really just sort of did this as someone who
tried to think through it as a civilian. And again
it's sad as well. Well, you know, it's not hard
to if you're gonna kill somebody who's helpless, defenseless and
doesn't know you're coming, this is any of us are
(33:55):
at risk.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
That's the other part of this. It's not hard to do,
which is why it's such a heinous thing to do.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
No doubt, and again, most of us would not have
any idea who this guy was he's just walking outside
of a hotel at six forty five in the morning,
and this targeted assassination is planned.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
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Speaker 1 (35:22):
I am in Jerusalem, in Israel. Buck is in Miami.
We're going to have a lot to talk about about
the things that I have been seeing here. Been touring
all over this country with the International Fellowship of Christians
and Jews, a lot, a lot to discuss. But this
morning in Israel, I went to go tour the terror
(35:45):
sites of October seventh, all over the southern portion of
Israel where these attacks took place, and one of those
places was the Nova Music Festival.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
We're over four.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Hundred young men and women were murdered in cold blood
by Hamas terrorist when they had gone to attend a
music festival. We are joined now by a mother of
one of the hostages who was taken there. Her name
is Edith o'hell. She is a mother of She will
be with us shortly. She was at this Nova festival
(36:22):
and Buck. I went to the Nova site. It is
sobering on a level that I'm not sure I've ever
experienced before. It's still raw the site itself, but they
have different placards up with the pictures of every individual
(36:44):
who was murdered there, and you can walk through all
of them, turning and looking at all of these different
young faces everywhere you go, these young men, these young
women who were murdered in cold blood, and their families
for many of them, have put up biographies, so you
(37:05):
can read a few paragraphs about all of these young
people's lives. And I don't know what the eventual situation
on the site will be buck but as I was
walking around there fourteen months after the deadliest day for
Jewish people since the Holocaust, I couldn't help but be
(37:28):
struck by the fact that hundreds of years from now,
long after everybody has passed that is listening to us
right now, there will be people going to this site
to experience what happened to Israel on that day.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
And I also.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Visited many of the different communities nearby, And we now
have Edith o'hel, whose mother who is the mother of Alon,
one of the hostages still being held after over four
hundred days. We appreciate you joining us. Can you tell
us eat it about your sun and what October seventh
(38:13):
was like for you. How did you become aware of
what happened to him?
Speaker 6 (38:20):
Well, Firstie, thank you for letting me speak and talk
about this. They appreciate it alone. You know, it was
just that night before the seventh of October, decided to
go to the Novel festival. He got the tickets that day,
(38:41):
so I know he was going to the Nova Festival,
and I know he was going with friends. He got
there around about five thirty in the morning, and like
a half an hour later, everything started to happen, you know,
rockets falling down, and they needed to find cover. So
(39:02):
they got into the car and they drove to a
bomb shelter, which is right like five minutes from where
the Nova Festival was. They got into this bomb shelter,
and uh, they were just thinking firstly that they were
just getting cover from the rockets. They weren't thinking about
the fact that they were uh Hamas terrorists coming into Israel,
(39:29):
three thousand terrorisms coming in. They were just you know,
So they were waiting about half an hour for the
rockets to stop, and and then Hamas comes to the
to the bomb shelter and starts to shoot people inside.
Throwing grenades into the bomb shelter. This one person called
(39:54):
a Nle Shapira through uh back outside from to the
from the bomb shelter. They were throwing the hamas, throwing
bombs inside. He was taking the bombs in his hand
and throwing them outside alone also throw through two bombs
and it was referred to was terrible. One of the
(40:16):
grenades exploded inside and alone and you know, a lot
of a lot of people were injured. There were about
twenty seven people at that day in that bomb shelter.
Now you have to understand that bomb shelter can only
uh you know it can it can get inside and
feel comfortable. As you say, about six or eight people
(40:39):
at that day, there were twenty seven uh alons you
know age group trying to get cover from all of this.
After the bomb exploded inside, the Hamas comes and and
uh and grabs and takes alone and three others. One
of them was also Hirsh Goldenboog called Unbrook Pauline. He
(41:04):
was also taken we alone. We at that time was
around seven o'clock. We went with the dogs out and
we understood that something was going on. When my father
called and said, you know, something is going on. Where
is Alone? Do you know where he is? And I said, well,
(41:25):
he's at the Nova festival, So I wasn't that worried,
but he told me that something is definitely going on
and we should make sure that Alone is fine. So
we called him. You didn't answer. We wrote them in
SMS a what's up message, and about eight o'clock in
the morning, we asked him where he is and if
(41:46):
he's fine, and he said, and there was a message
sent to us that he was at a bomb shelter
and that he was fine. And right after that we asked,
how are you send pictures? Want to see and that
was the last time we were in contact. What we
know is that at eight o'clock was exactly the time
(42:09):
that he was kidnapped, actually enforced disappearance. It's not a kidnapping,
it's more like an enforced disappearance, which is a little
bit different. And that was that. So when he was grabbed,
when they were grabbing him and pulling him and putting
(42:30):
him on the truck, his phone fell, So that was
that's why the message was just sent that that's exact time.
It's terrific, It's it's terrible. I knew that Elo was kidnapped.
When my husband came back from Siroca hospital trying to
find him. His phone actually was got there because somebody
(42:57):
at the bomb shelter that was not kidnapped, Uh took
the phone with him and when a guy came and
to rescue the seventh that was that survived, nineteen were
murdered that day after they took Alone and hersh and
or two others. The hatmas comes and shoots everybody to
(43:23):
kill and the ones who survived were injured but survived.
They got to hospital and one of them survivors took
Alone the phone, so so my husband was going to
Soroka to find him. Obviously he didn't find him, but
(43:43):
I Lunt's best friend was one of the ones who
survived and he actually told the police what happened, so
we knew that as kidnapped that day.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
Eat it.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
What has it been like to have a son held
hot stage now for over four hundred days? How have
you and your family been dealing with that?
Speaker 6 (44:08):
It's it's it's it's terrible, it's it's you can't comprehend
the stress that we are going through. Knowing that Alone
was kidnapped. We don't know exactly where he is, We
don't know how he is, We don't know anything, and
and just just to try to survive that is just unbearable.
(44:28):
You know, we're not working, me and my husband. What
we're trying to do for every second of the day
is advocate for him for a loan and make sure
that people know about this. And that's everything that govern
our government and hamas and and whoever, and also obviously
in the States, make sure that some kind of an
(44:50):
agreement can can come and that there will come home.
You know, it's scary to know that each day is
for them. It's actually it's not in each day, it's
every single minute. It's hard thinking about what they have got,
(45:12):
what he is going through. You know, he's probably the
tunnels for about four hundred and thirty days. Today he's
probably I don't know if he's getting enough fruit to eat.
I don't know if he's getting air. You know, it's
just you know, the basic right we're taking from him.
(45:36):
You know, I don't know if he's getting sleep. Yeah,
I don't know anything. And for me for a mother,
it's just sometimes I cannot drink. You have to understand
alone was taken from Israeli land and Alone was in
an Unova festival. He was not fighting anybody, he was
not doing anything wrong. He's an innocent civilian that was taken,
(46:00):
not brutally kidnapped from his home. You know, Alone's friends
were kidnapped from their homes, from their homes, from their beds.
It's just it's not right. It's in any way, in
any you know, the ICRC, the Red Cross has not
(46:21):
seen them. Four hundred and thirty days, they have not
seen the hostages. Nobody knows except I guess Hammas. What's
their you know status. Yes, I believe Alone was taken alive. Okay,
Alone was taking in love. There's a footage, a video
photage showing that. So I know that a lot that
(46:41):
Alone was taken alive, and I believe in my heart
that he is alive. You know. The what what they
tell us is that he was taking a love in
They as long as there's not any other thing thing different,
he's alive. So you know, this is a humanitarian issue,
(47:03):
This is not a political one. And it's it's for me,
it's it's all my life.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
You know.
Speaker 6 (47:12):
I I have not seen my son. You know, he
had his birthday on the tenth of February, and I
couldn't talk to him. I couldn't say happy birthday, nothing.
You know. I'm thinking about the fact that that I
(47:32):
that I miss how I to hug it, Like, well,
how does it feel to hug your son? You know?
I sometimes I forget. Sometimes I'm thinking about how a
lunge looks like. And I have to look at pictures
sometimes to remind me exactly his color, his eye color exactly,
you know, the way his nose, you know is And
(47:56):
Alani is also a pianist. So the whole thing I'm
thinking about is I hope and I pray that he
is sitting thinking about music and probably playing with his hands. No,
just thinking about you know, the pianist. You know the
movie how there's a there's like a scene where he
(48:17):
is in the It's like in the some kind of
you know, where the Jewish it's kept him, you know, somewhere,
and he's like thinking about how does he feel to play?
Speaker 4 (48:35):
Eat it?
Speaker 1 (48:36):
We want your son to be home and one hundred
other hostages, as you said, have still been held for
four hundred and thirty days.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
You wrote a great.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Piece that has posted it to Clay and Buck website
laying out exactly your son's story, your family's pursuit of him.
I would encourage everybody to go check it out at
clayanbuck dot com.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
Eat it.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
We're praying for you and your family as well. Thank
you for sharing this story, and we hope that with
Donald Trump coming into office that there can be some
sort of resolution and these hostages can all come home.
Speaker 6 (49:10):
Thank you, oh, thank you, thank you. I wish so too,
thank you, Thank you all right.
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Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. I am live
from Jerusalem. Probably not what you expected to start your
Monday off with. We have been touring all over this
country yesterday to the border with Lebanon. Today down at
(00:25):
all the terrorist sites running alongside of Gaza. We are
going to be talking about the situation here. The Asad
regime has fallen in Syria. What does it feel like
to be in Israel right now, with Hesbola, with Hamas,
all of those different discussion points. At one o'clock we
will actually talk to a mother whose son remains a
(00:48):
hostage inside of Gaza about what that experience has been like.
But as we join all of you right now on
this Monday morning, major breaking news and it is a
great news story for I think America, for New York City,
for people who believe in justice. Daniel Penny, the marine
(01:11):
who was charged with manslaughter with responsibility culpability for Jordan
Neely's death on the New York City subway. This case
has been going on for around a month. The jury
has been deliberating for several days. They dropped one of
the charges and went to a lesser charge of negligent homicide.
(01:34):
He was found not guilty. A unanimous jury rejected the
prosecution by DA Alvin Bragg's New York City office.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
And this is a.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Huge win for juries, for basic common sense, for the
idea of individuals being able to protect themselves and others
in New York City, and frankly, I think beyond because
because this jury verdict is going to reverberate around the country. Buck,
as a New York City born and raised resident native,
(02:10):
you followed this case probably more carefully than many did.
You've been on the subway a lot. You've seen over
the years the subway descend from a place where you
might feel comfortable with your wife, or your mom or
your sister being on the subway to a point where
a lot of people now say, hey, don't even try it,
because of the criminal element that has taken over much
of the New York City subways over the past several years.
(02:33):
What was your reaction when this verdict came down first was.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Just the absolute relief that Daniel Penny's life is not
going to be destroyed because of the mob outside literally
and metaphorically threatening violence. Just to be clear that this
has now become something that the media doesn't really like
to talk about very much. But there were not just protests.
(03:01):
There are people that were saying, you know, we're the
ones who patrol the streets, were the ones who were
going to come out there and there'll be justice by
our hands if the court doesn't do the right thing.
Very unsettling chance and meant to intimidate outside that courtroom.
Daniel Penny, This is a I hope, a turning of
(03:22):
the tide when it comes to criminal justice in New
York City.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I've been there, Clay.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I lived through one of the most remarkable criminal justice
transformations of any city anywhere in the world in our lifetime,
when New York went from when I was in junior
high about twenty two hundred murders a year, twenty two
hundred over two thousand people killed in the City of
New York to at the low under three hundred, and
(03:53):
even in a short period of time under Mayor Giuliani,
it got down to five or six hundred, which was
remarkable considering it was at twenty two.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
So at some.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Point people say enough is enough. At some point, the
propaganda and the brainwashing of our criminal justice system is racist.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
It is not racist.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
There are people who are racist in this country, and
in the criminal justice system there is imperfection. There are
racist things that can happen, but it is very rare.
Our criminal justice system, when it is allowed to function,
when rule of law is the guide, actually goes and
functions quite well. So I think that the situation in
New York City is I would hope Clay the beginning
(04:32):
of an entire sea change of thinking in that city.
You've been seeing some of these pieces, right, You've got
Mayor Adams who was saying, I hope the jury does
the right thing. I believe he meant this, meaning a
not guilty verdict for Daniel Penny. You have Andrew Cuomo
gearing up to run again. I know he's a jerk.
I know he's a liar. We'll talk about all of that. However,
(04:54):
he's going to run on a somewhat law and order platform.
There's a Whitney Kilson who's actually a family friend of mine.
He's running in New York City as well. He's a Democrat,
but he's running on a law and order and pro
business platform. So people realize that they've suffered enough Finally,
you know, Clay, this is I think what was a surprise.
(05:16):
The level of suffering that the people of New York
and other cities under Democrat control were willing to endure
was more than I thought saying people would. However, it
wasn't endless. And I think this is a symbol of
We're sick of getting on the subway and having shirtless
maniacs who haven't bathed in months, threatening women, threatening children,
(05:40):
threatening oftentimes predominantly minorities on the subway car on their
way to work, on their way to do things the
right way.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
We're sick of this. It's not okay anymore. We want
law and order.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
I am so pleased, and I hope that this is
the beginning of a whole change in the thinking. At
the bottom of the hour, we'll talk with Kirsten Fleming
from the New York Post. You may remember that we
talked to her about her observations in the courtroom. She
will join us and tell us what it was like
for this verdict. Let me kind of dive into the
(06:18):
jury here for a minute.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Buck. In many ways, this.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Feels like it may well be the Swan song, the
end of BLM and defund the police because this was
a This was a case that frankly never should have
been brought. As we talked about, Buck, it wouldn't have
been brought if the races were the same, if the
races were reversed. This was a white man, evil black
(06:46):
man victim white black narrative that has unfortunately been predominant
in the identity politics laden era. This jury, it's let
me let me just give credit to Daniel Penny's defense
attorneys here. It's hard, Buck, when the state or the
(07:06):
federal government decides that they're gonna put their full resources
behind prosecuting you to get a not guilty verdict in
a criminal case. Now, partly this not guilty verdict came,
I think because it should have never been brought. This
was an aggressive prosecution that again was I think race
(07:26):
based in nature. But this jury unanimously rejecting the charges
is a signature statement for New York City residents. I
would also point out they dropped charges on Friday. In
a more serious charge, they couldn't reach a verdict.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I thought that meant a mistrial was likely.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
This is what a jury should do, Buck, They should talk,
and they managed some people in that jury managed to
convince others, you know what, he's not guilty. It sounds
like the majority was able to finally persuade the minority.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Here. Here's what I think it was.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
It was a little ominous in a sense that they
had the judge dismissed. The judge could have just declared
a mistrial last week, and I think a lot of
legal observers felt like that's what should have happened under
the circumstances, and said he dismissed the top count, and
that looked a lot to I think observed. I was
(08:26):
one of them two observers like, oh, he's trying to
sort of direct them in this legal mage, direct the
jury toward the lesser charge, which, by the way, would
have had no mandatory prison time. So you could have
had a situation where the jury looks at this and goes, Okay,
look he's not going away for reckless homicide. Maybe you know,
(08:49):
we kind of split the baby here and we take
And so that was the concern. That was the concern
I had going into the weekend. But what may have
happened here, Clay is I think the jury recognized, hold
on a second, the judge is doing something very unusual,
and it feels like the system is trying to get
a certain verdict here by doing so. I think that
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at least in the minds of some of those jurors,
there might have been a rejection of the system trying
to stack the deck against Penny, because it was clear
to me they wanted them to go for this lesser
meaning the judge, never mind the prosecution was steering them
toward the lesser charge. And my understanding is that now
the top charge cannot be revived.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Clay spoke to a friend of mine on.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
The prosecution side of things, they can't, So this is it.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
He is free and clear.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
And this is also critical, not just because justice feels
like it has been done in this case. The process
is the punishment. I do not forget that this charge
never should have been brought. I think that's an asterisk
we have to put on this. But I was worried
that even if you got convicted and given no jail time,
he could then get civilly sued. He still can be,
but I think it's a different context. Now be sued
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and all of his wages for the rest of his
life would have been going to pay the family of
Jordan Neely who show up suddenly after abandoning him to
the streets living as a schizophreniact with you know, drugs
and assault charge anything else. I think Daniel Penny's in
much better shape now to have a life going forward.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
You're right about the civil charges. They still will be brought.
The preponderance of the evidence standard is there. He still
could be hit with a substantial verdict there. That would
be a financial penalty, not a criminal penalty. My concern
for him is this buck. First of all, my concern
is New York City. I think that BLM is effectively done.
(10:41):
But if they could riot, they might try to ryot
based on this. Again, I don't know that there is
that same impetus. This will be an interesting test to
see whether I don't think.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I'll tell you I think on the suffering enough, Have
we suffered enough under this clay? You're not gonna have
cops and FBI agents and other people taking the knee.
A lot of people, and disproportionately a lot of young
black men died because of the de policing.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
That be almed cause. I hope you're right.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I would encourage him to move to a different state
he's free now. I understand he's from the New York
City area. There are a lot of places buck where
I think he could be a lot safer. My concern
now is he's very well known. Does somebody try to
do something to him? Same concern I had with Kyle Rittenhouse.
By the way, when you're prominent and found not guilty,
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you still have risks from the larger world.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Well, I think Daniel Pennedy would be a very welcome
addition to say South Florida, to perhaps Tennessee, to.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
See where I think people would be happy to have him.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
There are some there are some places that as an
as a exonerated they like to use that word in
New York as an exonerated former marine who did nothing wrong.
I think a lot of states would welcome him, a
lot of the populations. I agree with you that New
York City is going to be a hostile environment for
him for the foreseeable. If I were him, I would
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go somewhere where he's But you know, we're getting a
little ahead of it right now. Just the fact that
they didn't, I mean, Clay, this could have gone the
other way, and I think it would have been so
depressing to everybody in New York. You know, I still
have half my family lives right in New York City.
Oh yeah, And I think a lot of people that
I mean, most of my friends, people I grew up with.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Still live in New York City.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
And it just would have been so depressing to them
that Alvin Bragg, who tries thirty seven felony counts against Trump,
always downgrades all these other felonies for actual criminals and
then brings this felony prosecution. It just feels like it
would have felt like nothing had been learned and there
was no hope. There's hope now for the city of
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New York, and I hope that somebody seizes this. I
know we are not in the habit of talking, you know,
talking favorably about Demo crap politicians here, but when they
deserve it, we will say it. And there's an opening
for the Democrats to clean up New York or you know,
I think it's there at least.
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Speaker 3 (14:55):
Here'ston Fleming of the New York Coast has been covering
every day of the Penny trial. She was in the
courtroom when the not guilty verdict was read. Here's some
thanks for being back with us. Just take us into
what it was like, what it's like inside the courtroom
in those moments, and what you're hearing outside as well.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Well. It's interesting because this morning, by the way, thanks
for having me on. But it's interesting because this morning
I had filed my column, had talked about that. One
little thing I noted was that there wasn't that many
protesters there anymore, because they were really loud for the
opening statements, but this morning it was really amped up, loud, agitated,
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and so the whole morning was really the lawyers fighting
over you know, fighting over the protests, and the defense
had asked for mistrial because of it. You know, the
jurors are able to hear it. There's bull worn. This
time there was actually some pro Penny protesters, which I
didn't hear, so that kind of set the scene, you know, early,
(15:55):
Like the first thing that we did this morning was
listened to this this back and forth about the pro
yests and if it was affecting the jury or not.
And the judge said to the defense that he wasn't
going to grant the mistrial, but if you wanted him
to speak to the jury, he can say, I want,
you know, but just a reminder to ignore whatever your
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hearing from outside, because they were saying things like subway strangler,
no juge, like no justice, no peace, no, you know,
one of those types of things. And so it was
it was pretty intense in the courtroom to begin with.
So we set the stage with that, the protests kind
of quiet down, and then we get a note about
like half an hour later and they have a verdict and.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
It was very quick.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Sorry go ahead, no, no, no, I was just going
to say, we opened up the show when they dismissed
the higher verdict. That is the more severe punishment I expected.
The best case scenario for Daniel Penny was a mistrial
because the jury couldn't come to an agreement. Were you
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surprised that the jury came to an agreement to render
him not guilty. What sort of reaction did that provoke
in the courtroom. What did it run counter to maybe
your expectations, and certainly it did mine, maybe other people
in the courtroom as well.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
Well.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I think it was a shock because some people were saying,
we're going to expect to hung on this one as well,
and you know, it was all you know, everybody's talking about. Well,
you know, there was still one issue that was the
justifications of Lynch Pinbull, So people were not necessarily seeing
that not guilty, especially pretty early in the morning. So
when it came out, you know, it's like this build up, right,
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It's like a month and a half of sitting in
that courtroom and then all of a sudden they have
a note and it's done. Like that, So people were
not people. No one really knew what was going to happen.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
It was.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
It was really suspenseful and when they said not guilty,
there was cheers that broke out. The judge had to
come to order. Jordan Neely's father, who has just filed
a lawsuit against Daniel Penny last week, before the verdict
was even out, started yelling and we don't know what
he was saying, but he was escorted out. Hawk Newsom,
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who is the BLM representative of New York, he started
to you know, they got up and they were all
jib or gabbering, and he said something like small world, buddy,
like a good son of very threatening, and then his
sister said, this is a racists in country and they
were all escorted out. And then another woman, an older
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black woman who I've never really seen before. She may
have been there, but I really didn't recognize her. She
started wailing, like wailing like she was at you know,
someone's casket. I mean it was. It was really really
intense and really dramatic, and they escorted all of them out.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
What are they saying outside the court room. I've seen
some audio from the kind of the mob or the
protesters or whatever that have gathered out there. Some of
the stuff that I've heard, Kirsten is ominous, especially as
somebody who has a lot of family and friends who
still live in New York City.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Yeah, you know, they had, you know, the Neely party,
which consists of some family members as fathers, father's attorney,
and some of the BLM people. They were holding a
press conference outside, and you know, some of the stuff
that I heard from Hawk Newsom is that you know,
he was talking about if they're going to let white
vigilanteism occur, we need to respond with black vigilanteism, which
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was you know, obviously quite severe.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
We've got the audio for people out there. We're going
to play that for you later in the show. Also,
I mean, there's a lot of awful racist things being
said by BLM New York. Do you get to bucks point, Kirsten,
Do you get the sense that this is ominous and
there's something more coming based on the vibe around the courthouse.
(19:58):
I mean, it's early in the BLM is trying to
call for some for some violence. What's your take on that.
I know it's difficult to predict, but what do you
have the.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Sense of So this is my the point of my
column today. I really feel like in twenty twenty three,
in May, when they when this story was first first,
when this happened, this story was framed as this racist
white vigilante chokes out poor Michael Jackson impersonator, and you know,
obviously our institutions are captured, and everything sort of ensued
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from there. But I think the woke fever has really
broken and there's been very There was probably the people
who were outside screaming. It's the same people who have
been at some of the anti Israel stuff, you know,
and it was probably about like fifteen people screaming at
the police, you know, So it didn't I just feel
like they've lost the sort of there's an empantasy there.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Yeah, I think that it could be different this time around.
Here's for the Kirsten Fleming for New York Post. Thank
you for being with us. Thank you for covering this trial.
I think that was really important that people had a
sense all along of what was going on there, and
you're reporting on it was excellent.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
So thank you for being here with us.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Thank you so much, guys, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
We've got the Daniel Penny verdict that came down not guilty.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
We were very pleased about that.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Here on Clay and Buck thought it was the right thing,
the right thing for New York City, the right thing
for justice. Also, the alleged assassin of the United Healthcare
CEO now in custody, and.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
You know, I mean, it's they got a lot of
stuff on this guy.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Before we go back into that, though, Clay, I just
have to say, because I called this as I was
doing a headline scan, make sure we're up to in
the latest breaking news. Here the photo that they have
chosen for the currently for the front page of the
Washington Post for the Daniel Penny case. Daniel Penny, it's hard.
You'd have to say see it, so I don't know.
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I mean, I'll share it on X people can see
then make it look like he's Voldemort.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
It's just so interesting that.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
There's like it's a dark photo, there's shadows behind him.
He has a kind of almost a grimace on his face,
an air of menace. The Washington Post is just a disgrace.
That's why they're such a disgrace and such a propaganda
rag for the left. And now let's talk about the
leftist anarchist who or anti capitalist who goes to Ivy
(22:28):
League schools, went to a fancy prep school and murdered
a man in cold blood because he didn't like the
way that healthcare policy.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Had been going in this country.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Clay, This here's something that is in the back of
my mind as we're seeing all of this, people are
asking right now or they're gonna be blm riots in
New York City. And I don't know if the left
is really in the race riot mood right now. Perhaps,
but if you recall, it wasn't long ago when anti capitalism,
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anti corporatism, and antifa were very much where the left
wing shock troops.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Were focusing there.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Back in the Occupy Wall Street days, back in the
twenty eleven, you know, twenty twelve, twenty thirteen era, you
had these radical leftist types who were pushing all these
different communist ideologies effectively in this country. Maybe we'll see
something of a resurgence of that among the Democrat vanguard
(23:30):
going forward. I don't know, but I still am in shock,
and I think I'm rarely shocked, but I still was
in shock reading the comments all across the internet after
this assassination. How many people were willing to publicly and
even in their own name.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Support the just cruel.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Assassination of a fellow human being, of a father, of
a husband, of an American on the streets of New
York City. You know, the Left is looking for something
these days to rally around. I wonder if this anti
capitalism thing is going to grow more as a cause
for them as part of the resistance.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
It's a fantastic question, which frankly has a lot of
CEO spooted. Many of them now are taking out personal
security and a lot of these websites are taking their
photos off of the front of websites so that it
isn't as easy to know who they are. We were
(24:33):
talking about this off air Buck. I don't know if
there's more than five or six CEOs that I would
actually recognize, and they're famous, right, Tim Cook, Elon Musk,
Bob Eiger, Lachlan Murdoch, who's the CEO of Fox, because
I know him personally. But there's only like five or
six that I would recognize at all. Most of them
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are not incredibly public individuals in terms of the profile
beyond their job. I would be very nervous if I
were a healthcare CEO that this would create some kind
of copycat situation and this individual, I do think the
fact that he is a graduate of Gilman. For those
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of you who know the Baltimore area, that is the
elite all boys private school, probably the most expensive school
in the entire city. My college roommate was a graduate
of Gilman. He's the one who just texted me that
a picture of this would be assassin from their yearbook
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and also an Ivy League grad at the University of Pennsylvania.
What is going on that this kind of toxicity could
exist on the left and buck Remember we've heard for
so long, Oh, the reason why we had to go
arrest all of those right wing radicals, the reason why
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we're showing up at at protest rallies relating to abortion
and knocking on people's doors who were standing outside of
abortion clinics, is because right wing radicalism can't be allowed.
Doesn't it seem like there's an awful lot of left
wing criminals that are actually the people terrorizing much of
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America right now? I mean, if this were a right
wing Trump zealot who walked up with a gun and
shot someone in cold blood, it would be everywhere. Oh,
this is what Trump's election has caused. Look at how
the right wing extremists are enabled. At what point do
we start having conversations about the radicalization of people on
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the left such that this guy's gonna believe he's a hero.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I think that we're already.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
This is what I kept saying about how flabbergashed that
I was by the online response to this. There was
far more support than I would have anticipated for something
so so cold blooded and so heinous. Uh, you know,
this is this is a It was a dark moment
honestly for those of us who cover the news and
(27:10):
cover opinion to see how many people out there were saying, yeah, okay,
maybe I don't agree. I agree with this as if
it was you know, like somebody was rude. I mean,
the assassinated somebody in cold blood from behind. And it
just goes to I think there are a lot of
the left is comprised clay of deeply when you look
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at the real left, like the hardcore left, they are
deeply unhappy and emotionally and psychologically unstable people, and they
need something to explain that they don't want to look within,
and so they grab onto these causes, whether it's systemic racism,
or it's climate change is going to kill us all,
or anti capitalism and Marxism. They these different ideas, these
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isms that they become obsessed with, come from a deep
psychological need, a need to externalize their unhappiness, their rage,
their sense of extreme injustice. And it's much easier to
them and much more comforting to focus on their perceived
enemies than it is to look at, well, what can
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I do to actually make the world better or make
people's lives better around me? And so this is why
the left hops from issue to issue. They hop from oh,
this is the most important thing in the world, that
that's the most important thing in the world. And they're extremists.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
You know that.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Right now, we've been talking a lot about the trans
surgery for miners issue because it went to the Supreme Court,
that became a big cause for the left. You know,
they they just jump from these it from issue to issue,
and you know, there could be a moment here where
this becomes something much more prominent in certainly the conversation
among left wing radicals in this country. And I agree
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with you, I think a lot of CEOs are on
edge right now, and understandably so, because one of these
is an incident, is an assassination. If another one happens,
then then it's a trend. Right then there's a real
sense of foreboding about what this means for the future.
And instead of people just you know, voting or even
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voting their shares as shareholders of companies, taking that is
into their own hands in a violent way. I mean,
this is deeply destabilizing. If this grows beyond just one,
I think it's a concern.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
And there's a report up that this individual had posted
a review of Ted Kazinski's manifesto saying violence never solved
anything is a statement uttered by cowards. This guy has
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an Amazon profile and was rating the manifesto of Ted Kazinski,
the unibomber.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
So these build.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
My point on this is these build on top of
each other. So if I'm out there and I'm thinking,
is this guy to get some sort of positive coverage
in leftist media, and based on their early reactions, it
doesn't seem crazy to me that he could. To your point, Buck,
that could spurn a further copycat related move where somebody
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looks at the way this guy's received and says, oh,
I want to be famous like him, let me also
do what he did.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
You know, I also think he had to be aware
he was going to get caught, which is right, it
doesn't which is why he's traveling with the manifesto, right,
because the expectation is at some point he's going to
get recognized. I mean, if this guy had approached this differently,
you know, if he's a radical leftist, the sort of
standard move that somebody like this would take, I think
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would be you try to get either you try to
just appear across the border into Mexico, or better for
the purposes of non extradition and not being able to
be caught, you try to just get to Cuba. I
mean some you know, radicals, murderers people in the past
have gone to Cuba because they've been given safe harbor.
There does a thumb in the eye of the United States.
He wasn't gonna he wasn't gonna wait this thing out
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in Pennsylvania, is my point. So he knew he was
gonna get caught. And and I think now he's looking
forward to the I mean, based on what we're seeing,
he's looking forward to the trial and all but the manifesto, Clay,
you pointed this out.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Two pages. This guy he's a really good you.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Know, this is a little bit laz on. The manifesto. Yeah,
that's not much of a manifesto. I mean, you know
he's he's talking to Ted because it wasn't the Unibomber manifesto,
like really long. I don't even remember now maybe it wasn't.
Oh it was hundreds of pages. Yeah, he did it
tiptoe up to the unibomber Manifesto. I mean it was
it was super detailed. So two pages. I don't know
(31:43):
that we can call it a manifesto. But uh, but
certainly this guy wanted to be famous. To your point,
if he was trying to commit an assassination and flee
and never be caught again, you wouldn't go to Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I also, I mean, he's he because of the political
cause that he has attached himself to very clearly, and
that he acted on. You know, Clay, this isn't like
a school shooter situation. I do think every I mean
meaning I think everyone's gonna say this guy's name all that.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
No, he's going to be famous. This is going to happen,
which is what he wanted.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
You don't know, you don't go to an al two
to p a McDonald's. I mean, he's still going out
to eat publicly. He's you know, walking into He didn't
go through the drive through, He walked in.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
This is what I'm saying. This is a guy who
wanted to be caught.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
He wanted to think his family recognized him. Surely, right,
wouldn't you think that his mom and dad would have
seen this photo, brothers and sisters and said, uh, oh,
that's that's this, that's our brother, that's our sister. I mean,
that's our son. I mean, in other words, I'm surprised
the name wasn't out in advance. Wouldn't you think they
would see that it'd be and right, I'm not I'm
surprised McDonald's did that. They might because the situation like this,
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someone like this on the run, you know, it's very
possible that that turns into a lethal force situation for
law enforcement. I mean, this guy murdered somebody with a
sponsor in cold blood. If you get him backed into
a corner, you know, if you want him at least
to be taken alive and able to be processed through
the justice system.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
You know, you probably want to, even if you're a
family member, help this be done without you know, the
chance of there being a lethal force incident for him.
I don't know, I'm surmising, but yeah, I gotta say
I'm I'm actually I didn't really have a strong inclination
one way or the other about motive. I thought both were.
You know, there was the possibility that this was a
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paid hitman. I will say some of the people who
said this guy it was planned but he wasn't a pro.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
That was correct. It was it was it.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Was planned out well in advance, but he was not
a pro, meaning he's not somebody with tactical training or proficiency.
He really just sort of did this as someone who
tried to think through it as a civilian. And again
it's sad as well. Well, you know, it's not hard
to if you're gonna kill somebody who's helpless, defenseless and
doesn't know you're coming, this is any of us are
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at risk.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
That's the other part of this. It's not hard to do,
which is why it's such a heinous thing to do.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
No doubt, and again, most of us would not have
any idea who this guy was he's just walking outside
of a hotel at six forty five in the morning,
and this targeted assassination is planned.
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I am in Jerusalem, in Israel. Buck is in Miami.
We're going to have a lot to talk about about
the things that I have been seeing here. Been touring
all over this country with the International Fellowship of Christians
and Jews, a lot, a lot to discuss. But this
morning in Israel, I went to go tour the terror
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sites of October seventh, all over the southern portion of
Israel where these attacks took place, and one of those
places was the Nova Music Festival.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
We're over four.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Hundred young men and women were murdered in cold blood
by Hamas terrorist when they had gone to attend a
music festival. We are joined now by a mother of
one of the hostages who was taken there. Her name
is Edith o'hell. She is a mother of She will
be with us shortly. She was at this Nova festival
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and Buck. I went to the Nova site. It is
sobering on a level that I'm not sure I've ever
experienced before. It's still raw the site itself, but they
have different placards up with the pictures of every individual
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who was murdered there, and you can walk through all
of them, turning and looking at all of these different
young faces everywhere you go, these young men, these young
women who were murdered in cold blood, and their families
for many of them, have put up biographies, so you
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can read a few paragraphs about all of these young
people's lives. And I don't know what the eventual situation
on the site will be buck but as I was
walking around there fourteen months after the deadliest day for
Jewish people since the Holocaust, I couldn't help but be
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struck by the fact that hundreds of years from now,
long after everybody has passed that is listening to us
right now, there will be people going to this site
to experience what happened to Israel on that day.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
And I also.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Visited many of the different communities nearby, And we now
have Edith o'hel, whose mother who is the mother of Alon,
one of the hostages still being held after over four
hundred days. We appreciate you joining us. Can you tell
us eat it about your sun and what October seventh
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was like for you. How did you become aware of
what happened to him?
Speaker 6 (38:20):
Well, Firstie, thank you for letting me speak and talk
about this. They appreciate it alone. You know, it was
just that night before the seventh of October, decided to
go to the Novel festival. He got the tickets that day,
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so I know he was going to the Nova Festival,
and I know he was going with friends. He got
there around about five thirty in the morning, and like
a half an hour later, everything started to happen, you know,
rockets falling down, and they needed to find cover. So
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they got into the car and they drove to a
bomb shelter, which is right like five minutes from where
the Nova Festival was. They got into this bomb shelter,
and uh, they were just thinking firstly that they were
just getting cover from the rockets. They weren't thinking about
the fact that they were uh Hamas terrorists coming into Israel,
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three thousand terrorisms coming in. They were just you know,
So they were waiting about half an hour for the
rockets to stop, and and then Hamas comes to the
to the bomb shelter and starts to shoot people inside.
Throwing grenades into the bomb shelter. This one person called
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a Nle Shapira through uh back outside from to the
from the bomb shelter. They were throwing the hamas, throwing
bombs inside. He was taking the bombs in his hand
and throwing them outside alone also throw through two bombs
and it was referred to was terrible. One of the
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grenades exploded inside and alone and you know, a lot
of a lot of people were injured. There were about
twenty seven people at that day in that bomb shelter.
Now you have to understand that bomb shelter can only
uh you know it can it can get inside and
feel comfortable. As you say, about six or eight people
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at that day, there were twenty seven uh alons you
know age group trying to get cover from all of this.
After the bomb exploded inside, the Hamas comes and and
uh and grabs and takes alone and three others. One
of them was also Hirsh Goldenboog called Unbrook Pauline. He
(41:04):
was also taken we alone. We at that time was
around seven o'clock. We went with the dogs out and
we understood that something was going on. When my father
called and said, you know, something is going on. Where
is Alone? Do you know where he is? And I said, well,
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he's at the Nova festival, So I wasn't that worried,
but he told me that something is definitely going on
and we should make sure that Alone is fine. So
we called him. You didn't answer. We wrote them in
SMS a what's up message, and about eight o'clock in
the morning, we asked him where he is and if
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he's fine, and he said, and there was a message
sent to us that he was at a bomb shelter
and that he was fine. And right after that we asked,
how are you send pictures? Want to see and that
was the last time we were in contact. What we
know is that at eight o'clock was exactly the time
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that he was kidnapped, actually enforced disappearance. It's not a kidnapping,
it's more like an enforced disappearance, which is a little
bit different. And that was that. So when he was grabbed,
when they were grabbing him and pulling him and putting
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him on the truck, his phone fell, So that was
that's why the message was just sent that that's exact time.
It's terrific, It's it's terrible. I knew that Elo was kidnapped.
When my husband came back from Siroca hospital trying to
find him. His phone actually was got there because somebody
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at the bomb shelter that was not kidnapped, Uh took
the phone with him and when a guy came and
to rescue the seventh that was that survived, nineteen were
murdered that day after they took Alone and hersh and
or two others. The hatmas comes and shoots everybody to
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kill and the ones who survived were injured but survived.
They got to hospital and one of them survivors took
Alone the phone, so so my husband was going to
Soroka to find him. Obviously he didn't find him, but
(43:43):
I Lunt's best friend was one of the ones who
survived and he actually told the police what happened, so
we knew that as kidnapped that day.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
Eat it.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
What has it been like to have a son held
hot stage now for over four hundred days? How have
you and your family been dealing with that?
Speaker 6 (44:08):
It's it's it's it's terrible, it's it's you can't comprehend
the stress that we are going through. Knowing that Alone
was kidnapped. We don't know exactly where he is, We
don't know how he is, We don't know anything, and
and just just to try to survive that is just unbearable.
(44:28):
You know, we're not working, me and my husband. What
we're trying to do for every second of the day
is advocate for him for a loan and make sure
that people know about this. And that's everything that govern
our government and hamas and and whoever, and also obviously
in the States, make sure that some kind of an
(44:50):
agreement can can come and that there will come home.
You know, it's scary to know that each day is
for them. It's actually it's not in each day, it's
every single minute. It's hard thinking about what they have got,
(45:12):
what he is going through. You know, he's probably the
tunnels for about four hundred and thirty days. Today he's
probably I don't know if he's getting enough fruit to eat.
I don't know if he's getting air. You know, it's
just you know, the basic right we're taking from him.
(45:36):
You know, I don't know if he's getting sleep. Yeah,
I don't know anything. And for me for a mother,
it's just sometimes I cannot drink. You have to understand
alone was taken from Israeli land and Alone was in
an Unova festival. He was not fighting anybody, he was
not doing anything wrong. He's an innocent civilian that was taken,
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not brutally kidnapped from his home. You know, Alone's friends
were kidnapped from their homes, from their homes, from their beds.
It's just it's not right. It's in any way, in
any you know, the ICRC, the Red Cross has not
(46:21):
seen them. Four hundred and thirty days, they have not
seen the hostages. Nobody knows except I guess Hammas. What's
their you know status. Yes, I believe Alone was taken alive. Okay,
Alone was taking in love. There's a footage, a video
photage showing that. So I know that a lot that
(46:41):
Alone was taken alive, and I believe in my heart
that he is alive. You know. The what what they
tell us is that he was taking a love in
They as long as there's not any other thing thing different,
he's alive. So you know, this is a humanitarian issue,
(47:03):
This is not a political one. And it's it's for me,
it's it's all my life.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
You know.
Speaker 6 (47:12):
I I have not seen my son. You know, he
had his birthday on the tenth of February, and I
couldn't talk to him. I couldn't say happy birthday, nothing.
You know. I'm thinking about the fact that that I
(47:32):
that I miss how I to hug it, Like, well,
how does it feel to hug your son? You know?
I sometimes I forget. Sometimes I'm thinking about how a
lunge looks like. And I have to look at pictures
sometimes to remind me exactly his color, his eye color exactly,
you know, the way his nose, you know is And
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Alani is also a pianist. So the whole thing I'm
thinking about is I hope and I pray that he
is sitting thinking about music and probably playing with his hands. No,
just thinking about you know, the pianist. You know the
movie how there's a there's like a scene where he
(48:17):
is in the It's like in the some kind of
you know, where the Jewish it's kept him, you know, somewhere,
and he's like thinking about how does he feel to play?
Speaker 4 (48:35):
Eat it?
Speaker 1 (48:36):
We want your son to be home and one hundred
other hostages, as you said, have still been held for
four hundred and thirty days.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
You wrote a great.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Piece that has posted it to Clay and Buck website
laying out exactly your son's story, your family's pursuit of him.
I would encourage everybody to go check it out at
clayanbuck dot com.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
Eat it.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
We're praying for you and your family as well. Thank
you for sharing this story, and we hope that with
Donald Trump coming into office that there can be some
sort of resolution and these hostages can all come home.
Speaker 6 (49:10):
Thank you, oh, thank you, thank you. I wish so too,
thank you, Thank you all right.
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