Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Dec 13 2024

The red wave has thrown the Libs off their game. The Duke Lacrosse scandal comes to an end. Rep. Jim Jordan gives an update from Washington. Media freakout over Trump being named Person of the Year.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody to the Friday edition of the Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton Show. Clay is back on US soil
as of early this warner. He's out today though, big
time change and all that from the Israel trip. He's
gonna tell us all about it next week when he's
back in action here Stateside. He said it was fascinating,

(00:20):
it was powerful, and he really enjoyed it. We've been
texting and checking in with each other on how it
went over there. Of course, my role was to stay
over here make sure that the home fires were burning
here for the radio show. Everything going just fine, and
We've got a lot to talk about today and I'm

(00:41):
looking forward to it with all of you. Make sure
you call in eight hundred two A two two eight
A two and we're gonna I'm gonna try to get
to a bunch of calls on Friday. I love getting
a chance to chat with you all. I'll take you
on a quick a little overview of the menu, the
news and analysis a la Cartes of the Clay Buck Show. Today.

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You've got the UFOs over Jersey. Now there are maybe
some other places. I mean, this does seem like the
beginning of a science fiction movie, right, you know, it
starts out the politicians are like, there's no threat from
the UFOs, and then everyone's like, yeah, but what are
the UFOs? And I don't know. Weird stuff is going
on right now. We shall have a little more discussion

(01:24):
of that. This should be something that they can very
quickly put aside as any kind of concern or anxiety.
But I don't think that's necessarily going to be the
way this goes. For some reason. We'll figure it out.
The continued fallout after the assassination of the United Healthcare CEO,

(01:45):
I will say I was I was gratified that a
lot of you reached out either on social media or
email yesterday to say you agreed with me that I
don't look, I get it, and I'm trying to be
respectful of people. I want to have a discussion about healthcare,
but I just also want to be very clear, bright
red line. You can't just go kill somebody in an industry,

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or rather, I think we all know that you can't
support someone being killed in an industry as well. That
is not ethical. Okay, that's not where you should be
because there are problems in a trillion dollar industry effectively
or whatever healthcare is in this country at this point
in time. It's a giant mess, and we need to
be honest about the fact that it's a mess that we,

(02:29):
the American people, have created, and we have to have
a lot of frank talk and accountability to fix it,
but not violence and not support of violence and not so.
I was gratified that so many people were like, no,
I get that right, and I want you to know
I get it too. For those of you who have
had pre existing conditions identified in a way that's basically

(02:52):
fraudulent on behalf of the healthcare health insurance companies, or
you know you've gotten a surprise bill at a hospit,
I get it. I mean I still walk with a
slight limp because I couldn't afford the surgery financial risk
of a surgery from like fifteen years ago. I get
it right, I understand. But we need those need to

(03:12):
be separate discussions, and I'm happy to have and continue
to have here with all of you, the healthcare discussion.
While we're also no, no, no bright redline. This guy
MANNGIONI I think he should I mean he should be
facing the death penalty for what he did. In my opinion,
if there's such a thing as in a premeditated murder
and terrorist act, this is what this guy did and
should you know, pay the full price. But anyway, I

(03:34):
think we all know he allegedly killed this guy. He's
going to spend the rest of his life in prison
if he has found guilty. And I also wanted to
jump in today. There's actually so many things. Jim Jordan
will be with us at one point thirty. I'll talk
to him more about the twenty six informants, the people

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that were working for the FBI at the rest of
the FBI there on January sixth. What were they doing? Why?
I have so many more questions. You know, we we
got to this yesterday with the breaking news, but why,
And you know what, I'll spend a minute on this now.
I also want to talk about some of the the
collapse of the poisonous race narrative for the Democrats in

(04:22):
some ways or we're seeing some of this happen. I
think that's very important. I want I want to talk
about how jd Vance has invited Daniel Penny to attend
the Army Navy football game with him, and I'm just
going to say, my wife, her whole family all a
lot of a lot of Navy guys and gals. So

(04:44):
I think I got a root for navy. And you know,
unless I want problems on the home front here, I'm
just I'm sorry. I love you army people, but I
think I have to root for Navy because my wife
and you know, naval, they got naval. I go to
the family reunion or whatever. I go to the eightieth
birthday party for the admiral, and I got It's like
the whole room is like top Gun. It's all naval
aviators everywhere and guys who are running aircraft carriers and stuff.

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So anyway, Daniel Penny though being invited to go with
the soon to be Vice president Jade Vance, I think
is an interesting moment in where things are right now
and how the Trump administration coming in. Everything that I
see at this stage is not about conciliation, is not

(05:31):
about a middle way path or finding some way to
make the crazy Libs happy. They need a bit of
Trump shock therapy. It's actually going to be better for them.
It's going to be better for the country for sure.
To understand that, yes, elections have consequences, understand that Trump

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won a sweeping victory and there's going to be different
stuff going on here. And the reliance on some of
these old poisonous narratives about race, about class, about the
things that Democrats use to turn people against each other,

(06:11):
to leverage malcontents so that they can become the Democrats
can become more powerful based upon fanning the flames of
resentment and envy. That's not working the way that it
had for a long time for them. I'm not saying
it won't work again in the future. I think they're
going to find ways to bring a lot of this back.
But they are. They are in a social justice warrior

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recession right now. They are having a tough time and
they don't know how to even come at our side.
And this is a beautiful thing because it's good for
the country. Dare I say it is healing for the
country that this Trump administration is coming in full force
to try to enact the mandate to do what they

(07:01):
were elected with Trump and all these different Republicans the
House and the Senate. This was a Trump wave of
election and the party is behind him. He's only got
four more years. We know that he's got to hit
the ground absolutely running and the usual you know, ankle
biting and and you know, obstruction and what about this

(07:23):
that's not gonna fly our man. Pete Hegseth, for example,
I gotta say I have a particularly I love this
when CNN gets just just suplex. That's the wrestling move, right,
suplex when you lift the guy get suplexed in front
of everybody. I used to watch the wrestling with Hulk
Hogan and all the rest of it, and here he

(07:46):
is CNN trying to find you know, they just want
to SoundBite that. They then want to turn their a
an extension of the DNC, and their hope is that
they can get another scalp they think that got on
with Matt Gaates. Whether that's true or not, this certainly
is the Democrat narrative among their own side, and they're

(08:06):
hoping they can take take down Pete Hegseth. Again, by
the way, I think that the reporting that I'd seen
about Ron DeSantis Bridge Colby Bridge in particular, has come
out all all out behind Pete hegg set that Secretary
of Defense, and DeSantis, I believe is going to stay
in his role as governor. My point is their little

(08:27):
sort of turn them against each other, divide and conquer thing,
which I think became pretty clear that was the strategy
that's not working. Uh. There is a sense of purpose
and momentum to the incoming Trump administration and also a disdain,
a a well earned disdain for regime media, which I

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guess when Trump's in charge, they'll be anti regime media,
but the regime media right now. So when Pete is
ambushed by CN on Capitol Hill, now the audio here
is not great, so I want you to hear it,
just because you know, you gotta play that. I got
to present you with the facts and then I'll tell
you exactly what it was. But this has cut three
play it?

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yes, can you just respond to the CNN report this morning?

Speaker 3 (09:19):
It was highlighting some of your previous comments.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
I don't feel the need to respond to CNN. You
are a rule with gave people hope that the survey.
Did you hear what I said there?

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Okay? So Pete, the CNN goes, are you okay with
gay people serving the military? Pete says very clearly yes,
and then she's like, well, can you respond to a
CNN report? And what I love about what Pete says,
is I don't feel the need to respond to CNN.
In a sense. This is almost like, remember we were
all kids, You're not the boss of me. CNN has

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thought that they are the boss of us for a
very long time. CNN has taken in the approach that
they can shape perception of what is the news, to
the degree that if they want to ruin you, stop
your confirmation, destroy your career, maybe even get your thrown
in prison, they can do it. Not anymore. The new

(10:15):
sheriff in town in this case, sheriff Hegseth, But there's
a lot of new sheriffs in town. And I like
to see this CNN and many of these other entities
that have been Democrat regime media stretching back for of
course decades in some cases New York Times fact centuries,
but it's gone full communist in the last twenty or so,

(10:36):
twenty four years, let's call it. These deserve the disdain
of the incoming administration. One of my great frustrations for Republicans.
And I know this opening segment. You know what I'm doing.
I'm weaving. But Trump has made weaving great again, so
I don't have to worry about it. One of my
irritations with Republican presidential contests in the past, and this

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still happened this time around. We just keep going in, Oh,
maybe ABC News will be fair this time, you know.
May you know, we have to do the regime media
stuff in this new Trump era. It's a new media
era as well. It's different. And the voices on the right,
and I just it's obvious, you know it. The voices

(11:21):
on the right who have emerged and who are prominent,
are so much more honest, insightful, dynamic capable than their
peers on the left. I mean, they are just in
any kind of a fair fight. They're just in for
an ass whooping every day. And we know it, you know.
And I have so many peers on the right that

(11:42):
are were important in this Trump victory and did a
great job fighting back against the fake news narratives. And
I'm just telling you we're entering a new era. Elon
buying X is a huge part of it. It's like
we have open comms now, right, those of you who
come from military background, If you don't have comms, you're
trying to fight a modern war. You're dead in the water.

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Very hard for us to have mass scale communication on
the right without a true social media platform that was
at scale. Truth is building, rumbles building, These things are building,
but they're not at scale yet. X is at scale.
So we're in a new media environment. We have the crashing,
the dash narratives of the Democrats on Russia, collusion, Trump

(12:27):
is Hitler, Trump's going to prison. I mean, all this,
that's all just now a new era where they can't
just scream racism. A Democrat can't just scream racism, and
it's you know, oh my gosh, everyone runs for cover.
I remember in twenty twenty, I remember which Republicans were like,
maybe we should do criminal justice reform week week. Not right,

(12:50):
not the right approach, because that's not really what the
left wants. The left wants anarchy, power and destruction. They
don't want all of us to be safe and live
in harmony because they're malcontents, because they're Marxists. It all
stacks up, you see it all. It's not complicated, really,
I mean it can become complicated, but the broad strokes

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are there, and so the disdain, the disdain that someone
like our friend Pete Hegseth shows for CNN, the I
text with Pete. He's going to come on the show
at some point soon. By the way, he's just you know,
he's in the middle of what he's in the middle of,
and he said it will happen. So but you know,

(13:32):
I just wanted to know what we're rooting for him,
and we were hoping that it continues as it is
right now where it looks like he's going to get through,
but the Democrats are scrambling. And while we're going to
go through some of the challenges and some of the
important battles that lay ahead for the Trump administration today,
I will tell you it is a It is a

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good time for the country right now in many ways
other than the perhaps alien invasion. And I don't mean
over the border. I mean in the sky. That's a
little weird, but put that aside. We'll get to it.
It is a good time for the country. The good
guys this time around have won a really big victory.
And it's more than just about getting more votes. It's

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about the defeat of some of the most destructive, pernicious,
and evil mass mobilization narratives that have unfortunately been a
major role in American politics. Played a major role in
them for the last while, I would say, stretching back
to two thousand and eight, the Obama years, and this

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is a this is a good thing. And so I
know that we got the holidays coming up, and I
know that the first year of Trump is gonna it's
gonna get wild, It's gonna be very, very interesting. But
take a moment to not only bask in the victory
of Trump from the election, but there has been a
recession of the craziness or the craziness is in remission

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right right now from the left. That does not mean
it is gone, right I said, remission, not defeat, not destruction.
But this is one of the great things about where
we are right now, thanks Donald Trump. And it's in
part as Trump has the energy, the vigor, the vitality
to do what is necessary day in a day. The

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Speaker 1 (16:56):
Welcome back into Clay and Bucky. It was one of
the most heated and contentious early if you will meet you,
or early sexual assault allegation cases out there, and I

(17:16):
remember it very well. I was at the CIA at
the time. I remember being I'll just tell you ember
being on a date with someone, not somebody that I,
you know, had a long relationship with, is out on
a date, young guy. I was, gosh, I don't know
what was I twenty four or something in DC, and
this case came up, and I remember I just looked

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at this young woman I was on the date with
and I was just like, well, I mean, I just
I think I just my quote I believe was the
stripper is lying, And I mean that was just what
I said because that was what was obvious to me.
And oh boy, did I did I get some heat
on that one. I think she actually punched me in
the arm. I was just like, I think she's lying.
I've read the case. I read, I think she's lying.

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And guess what. Of course, in the Duke Lacrosse case,
as we know, those three young men, now you know,
my peers, my contemporary is about my age. They weren't
not guilty. They were one hundred percent innocent. They did
nothing wrong. They did not do it. They did not
lay a hand on this woman, they did not assault

(18:21):
this woman. They certainly did not sexually assault this woman.
It was all a lie. But it was in the
early stages of the weaponization of wokeness. I've often said,
I think wokeness is weaponized political correctness. It's one way
that I a shorthand describe it. Right. It's political correctness is, hey,

(18:45):
let's all be considered and nice to each other. And
then there's all this excessive word police saying and oh,
well you do you said this, and you need to
call me that and not this, and and it's the beginning.
It's the it's the entry level phase, or or maybe
the first major phase wokeness is you use the wrong pronoun,
you should be fired. You dead named somebody, or you know,

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you didn't say Native American, you said Indian. You know
you shouldn't be a broadcaster anymore. Whatever, right, wokeness is
taking it to It's not so much about making annoying
demands under the cover of some kind of courtesy constantly
and always sort of whining, Oh, we're victims. You know
we're victims, so be nicer to us. Wokeness is now

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the victims are in charge, and they're coming for you,
the so called victims. Right. That's wokeness to me, and
it's one short. I loved Elon's description of wokeness on
a podcast I think was the Babylon b podcast with
Seth Dylan a couple of years ago, where he just said,
it's just an excuse. It's just a shield for people
to be really mean, which is what it is for bitter, unhappy,

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narcissistic malcontents to create virtue in their minds out of
their cruelty, out of their meanness. Absolutely true of wokeness
as well. And wokeness is on its back heels right now.
And this just reminds me though of in a sense,
wokeness coming full circle. The woman Crystal Mangum, who is

(20:18):
currently serving a prison sentence for murdering her boyfriend with
a knife. She murdered her boyfriend in twenty eleven. In
two thousand and six, I remember this case well. I
had a kind of a distant family connection to a
very close family friend, was very close family friends with

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one of the accused, if memory serves, And I remember
following this case very closely, and to me, the whole
thing was just so clearly a lie. It didn't add up,
the evidence didn't add up the story that it just
didn't happen. There's no way, the same way that the
fake gang rape at the UVA fraternity that Rolling Stone

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ran with. Remember and I read this, and my family
can confirm this. I was at dinner with my whole
family in New York, you know, my parents, my siblings,
and I said that that story is a lot. I
should have gone on the air right away and said
it was a lie, meaning the UVA you know gang
rape hookes. Which ever, again everyone admits that was a lie.
This isn't even in contention anymore. Everyone knows that Crystal

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Mangum lied and bore false witness, which is a crime.
I might add, it's actually illegal to do that, and
they should find that there should be criminal charges when
there are criminal statutes meant to prevent people from trying
to destroy people's lives. But you'll notice with Crystal Mangum,
they didn't do it. And then she went on to
murder somebody. So I don't know. Maybe accountability for Crystal

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trying to ruin lives early on would have been a
good thing. But she was a black woman and a
quote exotic dancer, a stripper, and the New York Times
was championing her cause. Oh it was all about class
and raise colliding in Durham, North Carolina and duke and
privileged lacrosse bros. And the whole thing. Oh my gosh,

(22:07):
it was like a made for TV movie that The
New York Times was creating. And it was all a lie.
And as if we needed any more any more evidence
of this or information to support that thesis, she has
come out and admitted now in a podcast from prison,
this is the news. This is why I'm thinking about
this today. She made the whole thing up. The whole

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thing was a lie. And you know this is that
we're seeing a pattern here, aren't we. We're seeing a
pattern of these entities like The New York Times and
others regime media wokeness, the left, where they perpetuate these
deeply destructive hoaxes and try to ruin people's lives. And

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I connect this to say my friend Pete Hegseth basically
extending a solitary finger. He didn't because he was being
a you know, gentleman. He's in the halls of congres
towards CNN. Though you know what they are, these these
organizations and these ideologies that they represent, and these movements
of people, They deserve your contempt. They deserve all of

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us to think of them poorly as liars, as frauds.
And I think right now with the Trump victory, we
are more free than ever to just say what is true.
And doesn't that feel good? Because they're not going to
have the power to meet out some punishment to you
or to shout you down, or they can't destroy reputations

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like they used to in two thousand and six. If
those boys hadn't had families that absolutely and God bless them.
Can you imagine, Can you imagine your mom or dad
and your son is accused of a of a violent
gang rape of a stripper. They deserve, you know, top
students that one of the best lacrosse programs in the country,

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and they have this bright future ahead of them. They're
they're accused of a violent gang rape, and you know,
they're totally innocent. Anybody could have known they're totally innocent.
None of this made sense, None of the facts added up.
There was nothing to support this whatsoever. Mike Knife, you
know what Rush saw this so clearly. I remember I
remember listening to him back in the day on this topic. Right.

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This is part of my Rush education over many, many years,
seeing how the greatest of all time saw things and
told you about it and explained what was really going
on here. This was back in December of two thousand
and six when the weaponized law DA Mike Knifong a monster,

(24:44):
a monstrous human being, had to drop the charges. This
is what Rush said down this two thousand and six.

Speaker 5 (24:50):
All of the circumstantial evidence from the moment this case
was announced cast doubt on these charges. Everybody had doubts
about it. But look at what happened. That is a
great drive by media example. Drive by show up and
they start launching all kinds of amo and stuff and
get everybody on fire. They just Incindia in the place,
and we had stories about how these are wealthy, white,

(25:14):
privileged elitist athletes, and how they're automatically they got to
be guilty. Why this is a racist society, and why
this is Durham North Carol.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Why don't we know what Durham North Carol.

Speaker 5 (25:26):
This is a South Now we know that racism lives.
And we had this poor black woman who was just
struggling to feed her baby by stripping and showing up
at parties like this and so forth, the presumption of
guilt from the moment.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
The charges were filed. It was completely true. I remember
reading the coverage in the New York Times. Remember I
came from a household. We were New York Times subscribers.
I had a paper copy of The New York Times
dropped off at our front It was my dad's, but
I read it at our front door. You know every day.
I grew up reading the New York Times, so I
was this was my paper, and I switched to the

(26:07):
We all switch to the Wall Street Journal right around
this time. Actually, be honest with I think it was
early two thousands, post nine to eleven, So maybe you
get what I'm saying. It doesn't matter. Point is I
knew their coverage very well, and they wanted these they
wanted these guys to be ruined. And you know what's
when you really understand the democrat woke, left wing Marxist mindset,

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when you really know how they feel, especially about the
issue of race, which is effectively a religious cause for them,
meaning the the vile racism of America that they believe
persist today and in some ways is even you know,
even worse because it's more subtle, so it's harder to find,
which is insane, I know, but this is how they
think of things, right, worse than it was, and when

(26:53):
there was true racism in America. No, now today it's
worse because it's subtle so you can't find it. They're insane,
It makes no sense. They believe though, that if they
had to sacrifice these three privileged white boys on the
altar of wokeness, and I mean truly sacrifice them, send
them to prison gang rapists. What do you think it's
going to be like for these guys as gang rapists

(27:14):
of a black female stripper in prison? What do you
think their lives are going to be like after this?
You know, if they ever you know, if they get
out of prison, in twenty years. Their lives are destroyed,
ruin their families. Are the New York Times The thinking is, yeah,
but this is how we atone for the racism of
the past. This is how we pay the bill that

(27:36):
is due. This is the price that they're willing to
because I'm telling you some of them knew these boys
were innocent. And you know how I know that the
prosecutor knew these boys were innocent. The prosecutor knew that
one of them was miles away at an ATM machine
using his card on camp when the rape is happening.

(27:56):
I mean exculpatory, entirely exculpatory. And Nifong wouldn't drop the charges.
You know why, because he was trying to ride the
woke politics of the moment. Durham has a large black community,
a Democrat party was weaponizing race. He thought he could
use this for his own purposes, and so he was
willing to sacrifice these three boys as well. What could

(28:17):
be more evil than wanting to destroy young men with
a lie and ruin their lives, truly, ruin their reputations,
ruin their psychle you know, their mental stability, because you
think that this is what racial justice demands in the moment,
now that was two thousand and six, they lost. They

(28:41):
came close. If the evidence had been any if there
had been any doubt, there was no doubt these boys
were innocent. And the court came out and said it,
by the way, that they were innocent, not just not guilty, innocent.
But think of how powerful the New York Times is.
I had a young women who went to like an
Ivy League school herself, and she thought that I was
a monster for saying I don't believe this stripper. I
don't believe her. I think she's lying. And she was

(29:02):
and now admits it. In the New York Times. This
was the beginning of the New York Times. Is pure
descent into the demonic, where they would destroy people for ideology.
It is an evil newspaper that does bad things to
good people. It has done it for many years now,

(29:22):
and just like with CNN, it deserves your contempt. Not
it doesn't need reform, it doesn't need a couple of
actual conservative voices. It deserves your contempt because until it's
willing to crawl on its hands and knees and say
we are so sorry, what we did was monstrous and
so many things, right, Kavanaugh, This Russia collusion, I mean,

(29:43):
there's so many What they're cheering for, the destruction of
all these J six defendants and the ruination of their
lives for what some of them just walked into a building,
they're taking selfies. It's ridiculous. Trump's going to fix it.
He is going to fix us. I'm the same way
that I'm I'm telling you. I told you Trump will
win the election. Trump is going to pardon J six people.

(30:05):
It is going to happen. I am absolutely confident. But
you know, here we are. It's been almost twenty years,
and we finally close the loop on one of the
clearest cases of the evils that the left, the Democrat
Party has come to embrace and represent in this country.
And don't ever forget it, because we have to keep

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them out of the out of the corridors of power,
We have to minimize their influence, we have to do
everything possible because they will. They will destroy people and
with it, destroy this country if they're allowed to. And
you can see it as clear as day that any
that there wasn't the deepest shame felt at the New
York Times for what they tried to do in that case,
and now here we are, think of all the people

(30:49):
writing editorials the intersection of class and race finally, you know,
set flame to the situation on this woman. Disgraceful. They're
just I have never been this wrong aout anything as
that in my life, as the New York Times entire
editorial board and news coverage was, and wasn't just the
New York Times, mind you, but they were the real
cheerleaders for it. So yeah, she lied about the whole thing.

(31:11):
Then she murdered somebody, and we didn't charge her with
anything about the lying because you know, oh my gosh,
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Speaker 1 (32:43):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We're joined by Congressman
Jim Jordan of Ohio. Well congresson Merry Christmas coming up,
and happy holidays, Happy New Year to you. It's been
a little while.

Speaker 6 (32:55):
How you been I'm doing I'm doing fine. Mary Christmas
you and your family, and I saw you last night.
And Jesse, you did a great job talking about this,
this this crazy IG report about all these twenty six
confidential human sources who were there just like we suspected
they were on January sixth, twenty twenty one.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yeah, so what what happens now? Obviously I don't think anybody,
neither you nor I nor anyone listening says, oh, FBI's
got this covered. Thanks for all the transparency. What happens?
What do you want to know? Where are we taking
this to get to get real answers?

Speaker 6 (33:29):
Yeah? I want to know how many of these confidential
human sources are still confidential human sources for the FBI.
I want to know how much they were paid. You know,
we know some of them were directly reimbursed for coming
there were casked to come there by the FBI. But
you know, you know it better than anyone how this works.
You give information, you get paid if you're a confidential
human source. And I always say that's a fancy name
too for being a spy.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Maybe it's a domestic it's a domestic spy for all
intents and purposes.

Speaker 6 (33:55):
I mean it's the same, exactly, exact exactly, So how
much were they getting paid? Are this confidential human source?
And I would like to know a little more details
about what they did? Were they in the first because
we know four of them actually entered the capital, they
weren't authorized to break any law. None of them have
been charged, which again under under underscores this concern we
have about, you know, unequal application of the law. That's

(34:16):
one big problem. So I don't know were they did
they go through any broken windows? What were they doing?
Because we know the confidential human sources that were involved
in this crazy Whitmer plot up up in Michigan with
Governor Whitmer that they were they were the guys kind
of instigating the whole thing and that and that case
largely fell apart in court. So I think there's lots

(34:39):
of questions that this report answers, but it did confirm
again what we all suspected.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Also, well, what what do you think? I mean, there's
there's what we're going to get as answers. So I
know you can't give us a hard and faster But
were you a little taken aback by why would there
be so many and this? You know, this wasn't u
This wasn't a group of people that you would know
that you would assume would have a lot of confidential
FBI informants around them, right, I mean they're first of all,

(35:07):
most a vast majority of people that were present in
the Capital area, I should say, including you know, all
the way up to the Washington Monument. You know, they
they didn't break any laws. There are a lot of
people that gathered there who were just there to protest.
So why twenty six confidential informants in this group of people,
meaning what were they reporting on before January sixth? If

(35:28):
they weren't there at the direction of the FBI? You
see what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (35:32):
Yeah, yeah, Well, I think it's this whole puss, this
whole you know, domestic terrorism. You know that remember that
This is the same they had the memorandum in Richmond
at the Richmond Field Office which said, if you're a
pro life Catholic, you're an extremist. So and if you
look and if you look at their budget, their budget
is the FBI budget annual budget about eleven point three
billion dollars. I think more than half of that is

(35:53):
on intelligence, counterintelligence and domestic terrorism. Most Americans kind of
think their fbis out there getting traditional bad guys, you know,
the gang members and organized crime and moneylaw and all
that stuff. But no, no, most of what the FBI
is doing is surveilling Americans. So I think that's sort
of the fundamental point. But then you know this powboys,

(36:13):
oathkeepers and this that that falls right into that whole
mindset that they have. But I'm also a little concerned
because remember this was a First Amendment protected rally that
took place at the Ellipse that they had no idea
that anything was going to happen at the Capitol, and
yet you got this many people. So I think you're right,
I'm concerned about all of that and this trend. And

(36:34):
again that's why I'm excited about cash Ptel coming in
and hopefully straighten that place up, which I think he's going.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
To do well.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
You know, I mentioned it on Jesse's Last Night, I
just as a point of institutional memory. I think it
was shocking to people. This is a much lesser issue,
although still pretty bad when the IRS is being weaponized.
The IRS was slow rolling and investigating and harassing anybody
with like Patriot Keep Party, you know that they were
used by the Obamaman. I mean, this was a real thing,

(37:04):
and this was admitted to and this actually happened, and
really there was never any accountability for it. It just
kind of got swept aside. Lowis Learner. I still remember
her name, and to me as somebody who worked on
the counter terrorism side of the NYPD and the CTC
of the CIA, it feels like some of the things
that we used to do to stop people from, you know,

(37:25):
strapping suicide vest to their chest in the subway, some
of the same kind of tactics and machinery of law
enforcement and intelligence gathering were switched and started to be
used against Trump supporters. And I know saying that out
loud may strike people as oh my gosh, is that
really possible, But Congressman I don't think that that's too
far afield for what we've seen.

Speaker 6 (37:46):
No, and the evidence supports that that that theory, that belief,
because we've not only seen it with the IRS, we
see it with the FBI. We see it now with
the FBI working with big banks. We released a report
last week fourteen thousand people in our federal government search
to fend send database in the Department of Treasury three
million times in one year looking up information on Americans

(38:08):
banking transaction, and most of that information actually almost all
that information was gathered without a warrant. They've turned that
on its head. Because typically the banks will say, oh,
we see something suspicious under the wall. We're supposed to
report that some local hardware store owner is now suddenly
taking out twenty thousand dollars cash withdrawals every other day.
That's a suspicious thing. They've report that. But what's happened

(38:29):
is they've turned that on its head, and it's now
the government saying, hey, can you check on so and sell,
can you look at this? And in fact, after January sixth,
this is what got us onto this. We had a
whistleblower come tell us. After January sixth, the FBI sent
an email to Bank of America saying, send us every
credit card debit card transaction of any of your customers
in the Washington, DC area on January fifth, sixth, and seventh,

(38:49):
twenty twenty one, and then overlay that with any purchase
of a firearm they've ever made. Give us that information
without a warrant. And the whistle blower came to us
and said, we've pushed back on this because we you
this was wrong. That's what got to started on this investigation.
So it's the it's the FBI going to the banks,
it's the FBI using counter confidential human sources, and of
course it's the I R S and everything else that

(39:10):
is the concern. And that's why the American people, I think,
spoke so loudly and clearly clearly on November fifth, put
people in these positions under under President Trump, who are
going to stop this stuff?

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Speaking of Congress and Jim Jordan of Ohio. Uh and
and to that end of stopping this stuff, and also
of accountability and finding answers that we're discussing right now. UH.
Cash battel coming in. I know, you know Cash, I
know Cash. I think Cash is the man is the
man for this job at FBI. You know, Christopher Ray
is stepping down what you know to the degree you

(39:41):
can just give us a short overview of it. Cash
comes in what has to happen that he can can
bring to fruition and work with Congress, work with with
the Oversight Committee on these issues so that people can
start to have faith that the FBI isn't being used
as a weapon of politics and they and they can
trust what the FBI says to a degree. I mean,

(40:03):
right now, Congress News, you know there's a tremendous amount
of cynicism. How does Cash how do the incoming Republicans
fix this thing?

Speaker 6 (40:09):
Well, first of all, I agree with you one hundred percent.
I think he's exactly the right guy for the job.
We would not have known about the whole Russian coclusion
hopes but for Cash working within Chairman Devin Newness to
give us that information, and God bless him. And I
also think there's an irony here because there was another
Inspector General report earlier this week, the week Chris Ray
announced he's resigning, But that earlier report this week said
that Chris Ray, when he first took the job, was

(40:29):
spying on Capitol Hill staffords and of course one of
those key staffers, he was spying on Cash Betel. The
guy's going to take his position and clean that place up.
The way he cleans it up is to do what
you just said, Buck, give us the answers to the
questions you and I were just asking how many how
many of these guys are still in the pay roll,
all these confidential human sources. To give us that information
how they get into Capitol. We went into little details.
Were they were they, you know, organizing this, pushing this

(40:52):
or not? Or were they just innocent watching people? You know,
when did they go in that first lip of people
who went into the to the Capitol. I mean, give
us some of those answer. That's how you clean it up,
because it starts with those at the top, starts with
real leadership, and you know, it starts with President Trump
and he is definitely sending the right the right message,
It has the right approach, and then with cash. But
give us that information. That's how you stop it and

(41:13):
clean it up and make the FBI work for the
American people like they're supposed to.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
And Congressman, I know that we don't really have answers,
But can you help us walk through a little bit here.
Just give me your your sense of how concerned you are,
what you believe so far, and what is going on
with all the supporting about a bunch of drones flying
around the sky in New Jersey. I mean, this is
what what do you see here? What's real, what's what's not?
What's happening?

Speaker 6 (41:39):
I have no no better answer than what you're giving
your listeners. I really don't know now. I do know
that Speaker Johnson got a briefing today. I'm not talking
with Mike since that briefing, and I don't know what
he's you know, what he's Maybe it's at a level
where he can't even tell memories of I don't know.
But I look forward to hearing what Mike has to
tell us, or what the Speaker has to tell us

(42:00):
when we're when we're back in session on Monday. But
I don't know anything more than what's been reported the news,
what I've seen. It's certainly the concern, and I know
a lot of folks in certainly that part of the country,
but I think all over the country are concerned about it.
We just like our government. But you know, I always say,
this is the same FBI. They can't tell us who
put cocaine in the White House, can't tell us anything
about this. I guess we shouldn't be too surprised. Same FBI.

(42:20):
They can't tell us who leaked the Dobbs decision or
you know, whatever took this long to give us a
report on something we all sort of suspected was happening
on about confidential human sources. And there on January sixth, again,
you know this is hope cast get there and cleans
it up.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
I just you know, you know, Jim, I I see
all this happening, and I see what's going on with
these different federal agencies, you know FBI, but also my
old old Home Agency CIA, and even the CDC and
unfortunately the Secret Service. And it feels like confidence in
the federal agencies ability to get the mission done but

(42:58):
also to be straight with the American peace is that
an all time low. And that's really it's actually not
good for the country, you know, I mean truly, it
truly is a problem that needs to be fixed.

Speaker 6 (43:07):
No, it is not healthy. And you want you want
to trust your institutions, the key institutions, and I think
you're right you sort of pointed to I think it
really started to take off when it was the IRS
targeting conservative groups, and then you saw it with how
the government tried to keep information from us when you
had the tragedy in ben Ghazi, and then you thought
the Russia collusion thing, and then on and on. It

(43:28):
goes all the way up to what we just were discussing.
So that needs to change, and I think that's something
that President Trump is going to change again by putting
people in these positions who are real leaders, who understand
they're there to serve we the people, not be weaponized
and turned against we the people.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Congress, and what is the best Christmas movie before we
let you go?

Speaker 6 (43:47):
That's all Wonderful Life. Yeah, wonderful Life.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
It's great, easy answer for the Congress. They are wonderful life. Hey, uh,
Jim Jordan, we always appreciate being with us. Thank you
so much. Have a great Christmas holiday. We'll be talking
to you as you Uh. You got to fix the
country in twenty twenty five, so no pressure.

Speaker 6 (44:03):
All right, keep up the great work. BOK.

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(45:38):
high tech for the iHeart app. It's free. By the way,
you don't you don't have to have any special access
to do that. Or you can call us on our
phone line. Now, can we check it on MSNBC for
a second. Here, I'm sorry, I know this is this
is am. I am. I addicted to hate hate watching

(45:59):
MSNBC and CNN. I start to wonder about this. My wife.
We were at to dinner with some friends last night
and when I told them that I watched Morning Joe
every morning, pretty much every morning. They they were a
gas that said, what, You've got to be kidding me,
How do you I don't know, you don't understand. It's amazing.
They're so it's it's insane there, it's it's all a performance.

(46:20):
They don't believe anything they're saying. It's it's this is great.
You have to know what you're watching. Wasn't there isn't
there like a play where it's all about is it
the is it the producers? Where things all fall apart?
I never saw that right, But like watching the show.
The point of the show for me is that is
watching the disaster. It's the slow moving train wreck that

(46:42):
is MSNBC in general and Morning Joe in particular. And
I do I do derive some some real joy from
watching this play out. But we have a bit of
news on this. Donald Trump got Times Person of the Year.
You know, I don't know. I think a lot of

(47:02):
people still wonder if Time magazine even exists. And it's
a fair question, wait did they still do that thing?
Apparently they do the Time Magazine's Person of the Year
fifty years ago. I think people cared about this. Now
it's just kind of kind of a gimmick. I mean,
it doesn't really matter. They said it's Donald Trump, which
is unsurprising and I think well deserved, because this guy

(47:27):
pulled off the greatest political comeback of our lifetime by far.
I've never heard of or seen anything else like this
in certainly and you know, living memory, maybe go back
in history. I don't know if you've ever had a
comeback like this before. Somebody who survives two assassination attempts
for criminal prosecutions comes back after the events of January sixth,

(47:50):
and the effort to use that, through the committees and
everything else to destroy him. You know, you know what
I mean. It's it's remarkable. It's a truly incredible story.
And even Time Magazine has noticed this. And you know
who's very unhappy about it. Joy read, Joy read, You

(48:13):
gotta hear this this, Oh man, she's having it. She's
having a real time of it. Over at MSNBC. This
has cut sixteen play.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
It, as Time Magazine describes it. For ninety seven years,
the editors of Time have been picking the person of
the Year, the individual who, for better or for worse,
did the most to shape the world and the headlines
over the past twelve months. In many years, that choice
is a difficult one. In twenty twenty four, it was not.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
The key line.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
For better or for worse is not much of a
ringing endorsement, and we all know which one.

Speaker 7 (48:44):
Trump falls under.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
And let's remember who else has been given this title
in years past in the same category. Adolf Hitler, Joseph stalin,
Ia Tolajomeni, and Vladimir Putin oh distinction twice, just like Trump.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
She's a maze. She can we just respect how consistently
insane she is. It's it's a it's fascinating, this is
great TV. You just have to approach it. It's not news,
it's not insight. It's wow. Look at what's going on here.
Over at MSNBC, you're also watching. It's it's like watching

(49:24):
a failed state collapse or something. You know, You're just like,
this is crazy, what's going on over there? And they
don't know what to do. Finally, the the Berlin Wall
is coming down over at MSNBC. The commissars are ordering
people around back in Moscow, and no one's paying attention,
you know, no one's showing up to the factories to

(49:44):
pretend to work so the Soviets can pretend to pay them.
And and this is what's going on at MSNBC. They're
just what are they even gonna do? Oh? Donald Trump
got time personal the year, just like Hitler, Stalin and
Putin and over at MSNBC they think Trump is worse
than all three combined. You know what, at this point,

(50:05):
they should just bring back Olberman, you know what I mean,
just just go all in on the crazy. Just decide
that it's time to go all in with looney Tunes
Olberman and have them all literally of our democracy. And
I have used Athosaurus to throw a bunch of big
words into my hissy fit. It would be fantastic stuff.

(50:26):
I'm just telling you, you know what, else is very
upset about this. I'm just having fun with this one today.
I'm sorry. It's almost the weekend. You know, we're kicking back.
We're seeing what's going on. The Democrat media flailing everywhere.
They got nothing. There's not even like a center of
competency or stability for them. I've never seen that in

(50:47):
my entire life in the media now going on fifteen years,
I have never seen anything like this where they're just
they're just panicked, you know that they don't know what
are they gonna do, what are they gonna say. They
told us that this guy is Hitler and then he
should go to prison for the rest of his life.
And he just kicked their butts in an election, like,

(51:08):
how do you how do you do that? How do
you notice? By the way, you know, the conservative media,
whether it was this show or Fox News or any
other conservative shows that are out there, we weren't telling you.
And I said this to you. You can go back. You
remember he said, Look, if the Democrats somehow pull this off,
it's depressing for America. But we'll live to fight another day.
We figure it out, we deal with it, and we

(51:29):
move forward. You know. That's it. There's such a bunch
of cry babies. And speaking of crybabies, here's Don Lemon.
This is cut seventeen. Time Magazine. What are you doing?

Speaker 7 (51:39):
Let me ask you, Time Magazine, what do you say
to the women who I guess still read Time Magazine.
You have someone on the cover of your magazine who
is an adjudicated assaulter. You have someone who inspired an insurrection.
You have someone who, without a doubt the evidence is there,
try to overturn a free and fair election. You had

(51:59):
some one who had multiple criminal counts and found guilty
on multiple criminal counts and you name them Person of
the Year. Is this a joke? Did we get something wrong?
Did someone scam us. Are we sure about this? Producers?
There is a convicted felon on the cover of Time magazine.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
As the Person of the Year. Maybe we're being scammed.
I hope he keeps this up. I hope all of
them keep this up. He's adjudicated assaulter, and he's insurrection
and a Hitler and fascism, and just just keep it going,
Just keep it going, because you know what, this Trump
team's coming in, dialed in, ready to go, with a

(52:40):
real agenda and an understanding of what needs to get done,
and they're going after it fast. Think about some of
the some of the pieces that they have in play.
We've had the defection of the most prominent member of
the Kennedy family to not just the Republicans, but to
Trump specifically with RFK. Junior Krats love political dynasties, as

(53:01):
we know, So that's that really stings. The richest man
in the world and the most impressive CEO in the world,
Elon Musk, is reportedly looking at places to live in
Palm Beach so he can be there a lot more
and spend more time with Trump and the mar A
Lago team. And I assume he'll get a place in DC.
He can get a place places everywhere. It's worth three
three hundred billion dollars. You see that the first person

(53:24):
to ever reached that mark of personal wealth ever. Uh
And and that the way things are going. And he
may become the world's first trillionaire. We now have trillion
dollar companies like Apple, but he may be the world's
first trillionaire personally. So that's and he's on our team,
right And and then you add and you got hegset

(53:45):
and and and uh Gabbard and Ramaswami and and I'll
get into a little bit more. Tom Homan, by the way,
he's I don't want to put too much pressure on
on Tom, you know, he's his approach to things reminds
me a little bit of the portraits you get of
Ulysses Grant and ron Chernow's magnificent biography of him where

(54:08):
and I know that's big shoes for Tom to fill,
but I just mean Grant was so humble and unassuming,
but competent and mission focused all the time. And that
was part and people really especially after the victory at
at Vicksburg, you know, he became this national figure and
Lincoln brings him in puts him in charge. He becomes

(54:30):
lieutenant and brings him in to run the whole thing
lieutenant General of the Union Army, and everyone just wants
to shake his hand and hug him and tell him
how great he is. And he just kind of a
dresses casually and walks around and is not an imposing
figure and just wants to get the mission done. And
I just feel like that that part of Tom Homan

(54:50):
really comes across to me. He's just a guy who
wants to do what is necessary for the country and
to secure our border and to enforce our laws and
to give us back national sovereignty. And it's not a
lot of you know about fan fare, and it's not
a lot of trying to you know, get the big
book deal or all the pats on the back. He
just does it because it's the mission and and you

(55:11):
really like to see that, you know. Anyway, there's so
many good people. I think Marco Rubio is going to
be a very competent Secretary of State, very solid, and
I think that you've got a really just an excellent
team across the board that's coming in. Uh, you know,
Stephen Miller going to be the Deputy White House Chief
of Staff. I mean that guy is just a The

(55:32):
policy knowledge and brain power that he brings to the
game is so impressive. So you've got all these great,
great people coming in and Democrats are still just in.
They're still processing the loss. Which is why I think
talking to you about like Joy Reid and Don Lemon
and Joe Scarborough and all these different voices out there.
And I keep asking my conservative friends this as well.

(55:55):
Who is who is the most powerful voice for the
Democrats right now? And this is part of what it is.
Movements need leaders, right, Organizations need leaders. Movements need leaders.
Who is the leader of the Democrat Party going into
twenty twenty five? You can throw out some names. I
think people are underestimating what they're going to be able

(56:17):
to pull off with elevating AOC. I know she's a
communist and all the you know, Obama was president for
eight years. Everybody, okay, So being being a Marxist at
heart is by no means an impediment to or a block.
I should say, maybe it's an impediment from the presidency.
I think they'll be AOC is going to be a
big part of the Democrat Party's future. I think that

(56:40):
she has actually evolved and matured as a Democrat, as
a leftist to be you know, she throws out less
think about it, she throws out less stupid soundbites that
we all just make fun of all day long. She's
become a little more disciplined. You know this is she
was very young when she took that seat in Congress.
And remember she beat a very established Democrat to do it,

(57:03):
very entrenched Democrat. So I think people are underestimating her
as you know, for her team, for her party. And
then when you start to throw out these other names,
come on, well, what are we really talking about here?
You know who we throw into the mix. Gavin Newsom
is not gonna happen no matter how many shirt buttons
he unbuttons out of the beach drinking chardonnay. If Clay

(57:27):
was here, he might be able to defend Gavenussom, but
no one's defending him. Now there's there's It's not gonna
be Gavin Newsom. It's not gonna be uh, it's not
gonna be Gretchen Whittmer. I don't think she has I
just don't think she has the appeal of the skill set.
So Democrats have no one to rally behind in politics.
And then also on the media side, Rachel maddout unless
you were delusional, destroyed whatever credibility even as a leftist

(57:51):
that she had with all this Russia stuff and all
the craziness and going along with the overall MSNBC line
about Trump is fascism. We're gonna see with our own
eyes just how absurd the Trump is fascism thing is.
The country is going to really, dare I say, be
in a process of healing. Oh yes, I think it's
going to be much better. I think the immigration issue

(58:13):
is going to get really hot. I do think so.
I think that's going to be a challenge. And that's
where I see the empire strike back effect that you
could have that be the rally and cry for Democrats
when you if you really ramp up the deportations in
a way that Trump has said they will, but they
have no one to turn to right now. I've even

(58:34):
said this on social media. Who is the formidable Democrat
that I would even care to debate? Who would it
even be worthwhile to get into with someone who's a
really committed leftist. I don't mean somebody like a Bill
Maher who's open to different ideas and stuff and has
a platform where you can actually have the left and
the right meet at least face to face in some way.

(58:57):
There's very few of those. Piers Morgan's been Look, he's
got a brilliant strategy for his show right now. And
Clay was just on a few days ago and the
segment went viral. Just have the craziest leftist Democrats you
can on air, and they're gonna go viral because they're nuts,
you know. And Peers is like, oh, like, are you
really this insane? Like are you really this crazy? And

(59:18):
they're like, yes, Piers, I am this insane, I am
this crazy, and they just say the wildest stuff. So
I've never experienced this before where they don't have It's
like their whole army in sense, their political army has
been swept away and they have to rebuild. The Democrat
rebuilding right now is unlike anything else we've ever seen.

(59:39):
I know it's not going to last. I know it's temporary,
but here's the good news. It also creates their crisis
creates opportunity, opportunity for Trump the incoming administration to do
big things. They are not as organized, they are. They're
not as capable of the obstruction and the media narratives

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and the dirty tricks and all these things they've done
in the past. So we really need Trump and the
team to come in. We need day one J six pardons,
massive deportation, escalation, removal of all kinds of crappy Biden
executive orders that have made things worse for everybody. I mean,
it's got to just be like a Swiss watch right away,

(01:00:22):
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