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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Wednesday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
kicks off now. Great to have you all with us,
and we've got the continued confirmation hearings on Capitol Hill
for Trump appointees. We are gaze away from inauguration Day,
Trump two point zero Trump, the sequeill Trump parts deuh.
(00:24):
All of these things going to be occurring, very exciting,
and we're going to dive into what we think is
going to be happening the first week. Clay and I'll
actually be up in DC fighting through the crowds, but
among the people, among the people on the streets of
our nation's cat.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
How many things are by dragging you around to that
otherwise you would refuse to get You would not have
gone to the rn C, probably right, And you wanted
to murder me when it was one hundred and eighty
degrees and we were trying to go through security for
the first day.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I wasn't gonna tell everybody, but yeah, Clay is not lying.
He's correct.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
It was the hottest day at Milwaukee for the first
couple of days that we were there. You wouldn't have
gone to that. Would you have gone to the inauguration.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Can either confirm nor deny, But I would say dragging
Buck all over the country to big events for crowds
and in festivity and forvolity. Because Clay is used to
you know, sec football games with you know, eighty to
one hundred and twenty thousand people all gathered together. He's
very crowd prepped and crowd ready, and like feels that.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Excitement and that energy.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I like to wear sweatshirts and be in my quiet home.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I'm not really.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Eating pistachio ass ice cream. Eating pistachio cremberlet or ice cream.
I'll take either one. So we're a bit of an
odd couple that way. And I'll just say though that
I am going to the inauguration with Clay. We're gonna
we're gonna have a great time. So while we're standing
in security lines and freezing our butts off in that
DC weather, it's gonna be really I'm leaving. Miami's really
(01:56):
rough right now. It's about seventy five degrees. There's a
light breeze. I'm decited to be standing outside in security
lines in a suit which I never wear, getting padded
down for the security of this inauguration. So it's gonna
be great. It's gonna be great. We're looking forward to it.
But yes, we've got that coming up. We've got let
me see more here on Trump weighing in on the wildfires,
(02:21):
Biden's last few days, including an action that he took
on Cuba that's surprising some people. We've got more on that,
we'll have some discussion about. I honestly think all these nominees,
this is not very exciting of a news story so far.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I think all these Trump.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Nominees are likely to get through. But let's dive into
something else here. We can draw upon Clay's recent trip
to the region for some specifically on the ground analysis here.
But the big breaking news headline right as we came
on the air, Israel and Hamas agree to a deal
to pause the fighting in Gaza. This is what we're hearing.
(03:04):
Israel Hamas have agreed to a pause in the fighting
the Gaza Strip, according to Arab mediators, opening a pathway
to end a fifteen month war that has laid waste
to the enclave, threatened to spark a regional conflict and
royal politics in the West. The deal is expected to
be implemented in three phases will begin with the exchange
of some of the hostages held in Gaza for Palestinian
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prisoners in Israeli jails. Negotiators including Steve Whitcoff, president Elect
Trump's designated Middle East Envoy, along with officials from US, Israel,
and Arab countries, reconvened at midday in Doha Cutter to
finalize the draft.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
According to the sources.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
So it's looking like a breakthrough here, Clay, What do
you make of it and how does the timing play
in here with the new administration coming in Trump's admit,
Trump's envoy clearly involved. I think Trump does ers all
the credit for this ceasefire, and as secondary to that,
(04:05):
everybody who voted for Trump deserves credit here. When I
was in Israel last month, I sat and talked with
the Speaker of the Israeli House and we shared that
on this show, and he said it was a sea
change basically overnight. As soon as Trump won the Hamas
negotiators recognized that it was very different than if Kamala
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Harris had won. There was and is a segment of
the Democrat left that is very antisemitic, that is aligned
with the Palestinians. In their mind in the way that
this was going to play out, and that made a
resolution more difficult to engage in for Democrats than it
would for Republicans.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
The details here from what I am.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Reading and this news just breaking right as we're coming
on the air, is that thirty three hostages are going
to be released with a prefer rents or focus on
still women children.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Remember there are still women and children.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Being held, as well as men over the age of
fifty and people with medical related issues. Now you and
I were talking about this off air, can you imagine
we're talking about coming up on five hundred days. I
believe of captivity for many of these innocent people who
were grabbed on October seven, twenty twenty three, so and
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many of them have been kept basically in the tunnels
underneath Gaza for much of that time. They may barely
have seen sunlight for that entire period of time. Obviously,
all the bombings going on, the fact that you don't
know if you're going to be a lie from one
moment to the next.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
It's a level of.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Basically just psychological torture over and above whatever the physical
aspects of this are, the likes of which very few
people have experienced in a modern era. So I want
all of the hostages to come home. This is a
very big focus in Israel, as we mentioned Buck, When
you get off the airline when we landed in Tel Aviv,
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you walk down the ramparts towards the customs area and
they have all of the different placards for the individual
hostages along that walkway with a demand. When you land
on l Al Airlines, which is the only airline still
going into Israel right now from the United States, when
they land, they say, bring our hostages home. When you
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land in the United States they say the same thing.
It is a obsession the likes of which we have
not ever had anything similar in the United States to
get these hostages back. And the analogy I think I
gave when I was over there that I think is
apropos in some respect. Imagine if on September the eleventh,
when we were attacked, if they had taken hundreds or
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even a thousand Americans hostage, Al Qaeda had been able
to do that, and for over a year those hostages
had been hell, what would the psychic impact on America
have been. That's Israel right now, And so getting those
hostages home is the focus. Whether this ceasefire holds or
not remains to be seen. Remember in the North they
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have a ceasefire with Hesbola. But I think this is
one of the most consequential results on foreign policy of
Trump's win. I don't think it's coincidental that he said
they'll be held to pay if these hostages are not
back by the time he takes office, and a lot
of the hostages are now going to be back, what
five days before Donald Trump officially takes the oath of office.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I think that this is.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Indicative of the change of the changing of the guard,
if you will, that's happening in DC with Donald Trump
and his team coming in.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
As we've discussed, there's no contingent.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
There's no group within the Republican MAGA party that is
favorable to or winds about the treatment of Hamas or
tries to hold back Israel from its response to the
Hamas terror attack. So that clearly changes the calculation a bit.
I mean, there's no reason for Biden to have waited
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on this. If he could have gotten this deal done sooner,
he would have gotten this deal done sooner. Because of
the election. Obviously, it's not like this isn't a thing
that you hold till the last minute. It's not a
pardon that you're just doing, you know, on the way
out the door. So I think that the Trump administration
coming in is playing a role in this, and I
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think that Israel has managed to put itself in a
better position in terms of its national security and national
unity on this issue than at any time in a
long time there. I mean you, I'm sure Clay experiences
when you're talking to Israeli officials and just dealing.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
With every day Israelis as part of your trip.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
They recognized that they had their nine to eleven and
that this was part of the Hamas and Hezbollah and
Iranian backed plan to essentially make life unlivable and eventually
destroy the Jewish state in whatever way that they could.
And Israel has fought back valiantly against this and taken
the fight to their enemies. So I think that this
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is look, we just we want the hostages to come home.
It's a shame that has taken as long as it has,
and there have been as many losses as have already occurred.
But I think that you're going to see a lot
of things happening early on with this Trump administration, where
the response from people Clay will be wait, why did
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it take Trump winning and coming in for this to happen. Yeah,
you know, they'll be common sense, straightforward, even on foreign
policy matters, things that occur. We haven't even talked about
Ukraine yet and the possibility of a negotiated ceasefire and
settlement there, which is also high on the Trump administration agenda.
But just remember this. These things can get done, but
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they get done when it's Trump and his team, and
they weren't a to get done with Biden.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
And his team.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
And it's worth asking why that is or why it
was so delayed in the case of these hostages.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah, two of the things that I would point out
that immediately come to mind Buck yesterday. I don't think
it was inconsequential. Pete heg Seth, who's going to take
over I believe going to be confirmed, said when asked
about this, I believe by Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas.
What's your perspective on Israel and Hamas he said, I
stand one hundred percent. I'm paraphrasing Pete Hegseth on the
(10:28):
side of Israel. You are going to have a more
aggressive pro Israeli hawk in Pete hegg Seth, and also
with Marco Rubio who's testifying today, There's going to be
a precipitous shift I think in the overall policy of
the Secretary of State, Department of Defense, and also Donald Trump.
The other thing I'll say is history rhymes, it often
(10:50):
doesn't repeat itself. This is another analogy with Jimmy Carter
buck because for those of you out there who remember this,
as Ronald Reagan came into office, suddenly the Iranian hostages
are released. Remember there are still American hostages being held
by Hamas that may or may not be alive, and
our media by and large doesn't focus on this. But
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when Ronald Reagan came into office, suddenly the Iranian hostage
situation was resolved. Back in nineteen eighty that had hung
as an albatross over Jimmy Carter's head, and it took
a new administration, a new leadership in order for that
to become a reality again.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
This to me is another one of.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Those echoes that suggest, hey, there's a lot of rhyman
and connection between the Jimmy Carter regime and the Joe
Biden regime one term, accidental President, Watergate, US COVID. Again,
they rhyme, They're not one hundred percent analogous, but this
would be another situation that somewhat is evocative. I would
say of the way the Carter term ended when Reagan
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came into office.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I will say it's funny because I mentioned yesterday the
formerly much more powerful among Democrats as a voice as reclined.
He's a New York Times columnist now, but I saw
something from him on X Reset is essentially saying this
is the absolute high water mark of MAGA and trump
Ism that everything gets.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
You know, yes, right.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Now it looks like Democrats are all defeated and destroyed,
but the election was actually pretty close by the numbers.
Governing is hard, YadA, YadA, YadA. But I just bring
it up because that's a pep talk on the left. Now,
it's only gonna get worse for Trump and better for us,
we promise you, because right now they got nothing, and
right now there's no sense that they're able to stand
(12:38):
athwart the agenda and slow down the America First proposals.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
They don't even have an articulate opponent. I mean, we've
talked about this, and we kind of when anytime we
give a nominee, we immediately get lit up. Like I said,
Gretchen Whitmer, people were like, oh, you're great, but somebody
has to be the alternative. I think it speaks to
the weakness of the Democrat bench.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
We've talked about this.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
If Trump had decided he wasn't going to run, there
are ten guys and gals that a lot of you
like in the Republican Party that would have had a
legitimate chance to be the nominee. And we would have thought, hey,
you know what, they could be pretty good on the
national stage as political figures. Who stands out and you're like, man,
that Democrat. I think your Wes Moore analogy is not
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a bad one. The Maryland governor as somebody who could
become a sndant on the national stage. But you know,
Gretchen Whitmer, right now, Gavin Newsom is collapsing as they
can't put the fires out still in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
You know, JB. Pritzker has got the Chris Christy issue. Buck.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
You know, he's kind of just a fat guy, and
fat people, I hate to say it, typically don't do
that well. In the cosmetic television age. Who's out there
and you're like, hey, this guy's a stud. Tim Walls
is a mess. Josh Shapiro, unfortunately for him, happens to
be Jewish and Democrats the base.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
He doesn't really like Jews. Now, I mean, this is
a mess.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I mean in all honesty, and we'll talk about that
and take some of your calls going forward. But that
is major breaking news as we were coming in with you,
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Speaker 3 (16:12):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. Big news as we
started the show today, a ceasefire between the Israeli government
and Hamas and or those running things in Gaza. I
was just in Israel last month. I got to spend
a lot of time with one of the friends of
the show, Yell Exstein, who runs the IFCJ, the International
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Fellowship of Christians and Jews. We've been trying to contextualize
what exactly is in this deal. I know it's still
in the early moments of this being a public deal,
but Yell, as a citizen of Israel, what should our
audience know about this deal from your perspective and that
of other Israelis.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Well, thank you so much, Clayon Buck and firstly, thank
you all your prayers that brought us to this day.
Every Israelis right now holding their breath until we see
those hostages walk over the border, re enter Israel and
hug their families. It's a very difficult deal because we
are releasing hundreds of terrorists for one innocent civilian who
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is kidnapped from their bed, allowing them to go home.
And we know that those terrorists who are in Israeli
jails when they're released, go on to again commit terror
x and kill more Israelis even yeah, yes, and Noir,
the one who the terrorist mastermind of October seventh, he
was in Israeli jail. He was released in a deal
and he went on due October seventh. So it's very,
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very difficult for the Israeli people to have to pay
this very difficult price. But every life is sacred, and
every day that these hostages are in Gaza being abused
and raped, many of them murdered already, is another day
in hell that we need to save them from. And
so what we know about this deal so far is
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in the first stage it will be thirty three hostages released,
not all at once, So we're a period of a
few weeks and Israeli troops simultaneously will be pulling out
of parts of the Gaza Strip. Now, we don't know
if these thirty three hostages that will be released in
the first stage are live or not. None of them
have been confirmed dead, but they haven't been confirmed alive either,
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So we're waiting with bated breath to see who's going
to come home when and what's their physical, emotional, spiritual health.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Jile, can you speak to also whether this is likely
to be a temporary cease fire. What will this mean
for Israeli military operations in Gaza and against Hamas Moore broadly.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
That's a great question. That's the question everyone is asking themselves,
and we're getting lots of different answers. We saw President
Biden say this is the end of war. This marks
the end of the war. We saw President Trump say
we will not allow Jamas to we will not allow
Jamas to be a terror organization that regroups on Israel's border.
And we saw Benjamin Atamnelle who say this does not
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stop our ability to combat terror in the Gaza Strip
against Kamas. So it's not clear. None of those details
are exactly clear, and I think what we do know
is Israeli's as you were there and means for peace,
and they are willing to take very hard steps in
order to get to peace. But you can't make peace
with the terror organization. So the question is will Hamas
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rearm or will they disarm? What will be the ruling
factor in the Gaza strip, Will there be a new
leadership for the Palestinian people in Gaza that will bring
a new reality of hope and prosperity and education to
the Palestinian people instead of what Hamas has been doing,
of a reign of terror.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Well, you, obviously, as in ISRAELI have been following this
very very closely. I was over there last month, and
the election of Donald Trump seems to have been in
a galvanizing factor in accelerating the pursuit of peace in
some way. Is that an accurate take from your perspective?
What has the election of Trump meant from an Israeli
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perspective to the pursuit of peace in your country?
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Well, first of all, I think that really we have
to give credit to all the parties right now who
are part of these negotiations, including President elect Trump and
of course President Joe Biden and Premister Benjamin of Tanah,
who it seems like everyone was really working in coordination
to bring this deal to fruition. What's unique about President
Trump is that he came in very clearly differentiating between
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America's ally of Israel that's a democracy and cherishes freedom
and values life versus Hamas that is a terror organization.
He distinguished very clearly between hostages who are taken from
their bed and terrorristserving held in Israeli prison. Just that
moral clarity gives room for the possibility of a deal
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that I'll come to fruition.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
What are some of the hopes we're speaking to they
Isle Exstein of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.
We're honored to partner with them as a sponsor here
on the show Yale. What are some of the possible
hopeful things in the future with this new Trump administration.
Donald Trump obviously a great ally of the Israeli people.
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The Abraham Accords at the end of Trump's first term
was a bright spot of diplomacy for the US, for
the region, for the Middle least for Israel. Are there
things that are on the horizon that are giving the
Israeli people particular hope now that Donald Trump is coming
into his second term.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Wow, I think you said it. Those are two words
that give so much hope to the Israeli people and
should be a source of hope and pride for the
American people as well. The Abraham Accords. Those are accords
that in Donald Trump's previous term, that he forged between
Israel and modern Muslim countries, and they have sustained the
most difficult year and a half. And we see these
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relations between Tehran and the UAE even Morocco that they
are not only not only have they been able to
sustain this very difficult time, but in many ways they
people have gotten stronger. The idea behind Abraham Accords is
that Iran is a terror state. Their government is not
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the people that are funding terror across the Middle East,
and that's not good for the moderate Muslim countries, just
like it's not good for Israel or America. And so
these partnerships, the Abraham Cords, that are strategic and good
for both sides, have so much possibility to expand. And
what we're all looking at is will it expand to
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Saudi Arabia, And I think it's a real possibility.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
That would be incredibly important. Also important is people being
able to come to Israel because so many people in
the country rely on people coming from other parts of
the world, particularly the United States. When we flew in Yell,
it's just right now, l Al, a ceasefire. How quickly
if the ceasefire is able to be sustained, do you
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think people would be able to travel on traditional American airlines,
American Airlines, Delta, all of these other places that have
stopped allowing their aircraft to move into Israel.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
That's a great question. I would hope it would be
very soon. And it's so important to have that Christian
voice boots on the ground, the American voice boots on
the ground in Israel, both for the experience of walking
those holy footsteps of your spiritual land Jerusalem of all
three all three fate great faiths of Judaism, Christianity and
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also Islam of course, and to visit those Christian holy
sites like Bethlehem and the Mount of Olives and the
Garden of It's so important for the Christian experience be
able to walk those steps, and like you said, in
a way, it's even more experienced for important for the
Israelis to be able to see we have friends, We're
not alone. That Christians come to Israel, and that Americans
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come to Israel to see the site and to stand
with Israeli people is something that you can't put any
price tag on. It inspires us more than anything in
the world. So I hope that they will be able
to come and visit soon with airlines, LAU and others.
And in the meanwhile, the International Fellowship with Christians and
Jews is on the ground through soup kitchens and food boxes,
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feeding the hungry, quothing the naked, sheltering the floor, letting
Israelis know that very very important message They're not alone.
The American people stand with you.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeahill, thank you so much for calling in today, and
also just for the partnership with the International Fellowship of
Christians and Jews. Honored to be working with you for
this noble cause. Thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Claim, Thank you guys are amazing. Thank you for everything.
God bless you.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
UMAs and Israel reaching a hostage negotiation deal that would
be a ceasefire that would lead to the release of
thirty three hostages.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
We will see how this continues to play out.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Credit for a ceasefire emerging to Donald Trump. We will
see how all of this continues, and we'll take your
calls and react to that. We've broken that down in
the first hour talking about the challenges in LA. The
number of people that are finally going to say, Buck,
I'm done in California because they're looking around and they're saying,
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LA can't even put out fires. And I think this
is so important. It's the continuing legacy of COVID. Where
a lot of you out there listening to us right now,
Buck is one of them, lived in traditional blue states
and you finally, because of COVID, got fed up and
started living different places to do your jobs. And you
have found out, Hey, I don't have to be in
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New York or Chicago or LA in order to do
my job on the same level. And here's what I
think this is indicative of, Buck. And I'm curious if
you would buy in because this certainly helps your own
personal decision to move from New York to Florida. As
you see people and where I live in Tennessee and
I'm a native Tennesseean, but the number of people moving
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in here have made the state redder. Florida got redder,
Texas got redder. The people that are leaving California and
New York and the Chicago area in Illinois are often
the biggest taxpayers in those communities, and when they leave,
they don't just uproot their families and potentially their businesses,
They take all of their tax dollars out. And when
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those tax dollars leave, already inefficient governments that are taking
a lot of money and not providing very much in
result become even more inefficient, become even more in debt
in hak because state budgets have to typically be balanced,
and the quality of life, whether it's put out fires
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or picking up garbage or putting criminals in prison, becomes
less of a quality of life, and people who have
the opportunity to leave leave And here's what I see happening,
and I think this is going to be a big
legacy story over the next decade plus. All of those
places they're moving to, the flywheel becomes virtuous, there's more
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tax dollars, services get better, the overall quality of life
in a place like Texas or Tennessee or Florida skyrockets.
The overall quality of life in those older places gets worse,
and it accelerates in getting worse, which then accelerates the
people who can leave leaving and I actually think we're
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in a doom spiral in some degree in California, in
the Chicago area, and in New York in particular, because
people who are paying the taxes are like, I'm out
my neighbors A lot of them are from New York,
Chicago area and California. Now they're coming in, They're buying
big houses, they're putting their kids in schools, They're flowing
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all of their taxpayer dollars here. And where I live
in Tennessee and I know where you live in Florida, Buck,
it actually makes everything better for everybody there and even
gives more incentive for people to leave. And I think
in both directions that gap is going to continue to grow.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yes, and remember there's also the long term implications not
just of the tax base in terms of what people
pay for income tax, but also business investment and long
term business growth. You've seen an enormous amount of companies
and this has been going on for a long time,
but particularly moving to Texas, but now more and more
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are setting up shop or headquarters in Florida and Tennessee.
And I think there are other red or redder states
as well that have been major beneficiaries of this.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
I think you can say Nevada and Arizona a lot
of Californians. I mean, I thought that it was funny
when Adam Krola said he's relocating his families lifelong California
to Nevada. Was it our congressman who called in when
you were caught in traffic on Monday? He's like, you're
moving to a desert in Nevada from the Garden of Eden. Right,
It's not only that people are leaving California. It's that
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California has so many gifts, perfect climate, beautiful location, but
it's become so inefficient that people are moving to actual
deserts in Arizona and Nevada rather than live basically in
the Garden of Eden in southern California.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah, and we spoke to Ryan Gradusky about this recently.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
He's got a great podcast on the Clay and Buck
Network about the implications of this continued migration of Americans
from one state to another for the census and for
the apportionment of congressional seats, which is going to be
very favorable for a lot of these very red states
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because people are moving to them. And I just think
that you've seen too much of what happens when you
get to a Democrat political monoculture, when you have a
one party state, whether it's New York or California, and
there are other states as well, it is too much dysfunction,
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too much of a tax burden, and people are are.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Fed up with it.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
So you know, this is the system working. I would
just say, this is federalism. This is how it is
supposed to be. States get to do a lot, right.
States are left to do a lot that has not
prescribed for the federal government in the Constitution. And people
get to move with their feet and with their tax
dollars from one state to another. And this is it's
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a bit like creating a market system for Americans. Where
do you want to live, Where do you want to go,
Where do you want to be? So I think in
a sense, this is part of the genius of the
founding that is working. It just means that they're going
to be winners and losers within the states, just like
there are winners and losers in any free market. And
this is the market functioning, right, This is the way
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it is supposed to be. We'll see if some of
these states become a little more, a little more serious
about what they're doing. You see that we're gonna have
to go back because you made quite a prediction, Clay.
I didn't want to leave this on the cutting room floor.
It looks like Andrew Cuomo is going to be the
next governor, I'm sorry, the next mayor of New York
City after.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
This may be the longest form prediction. We need to
find the audio of me saying this when he resigned
or was it.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Won't be that hard.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
The day the day of the resignation, Clay shouted out
that Andrew Cuomo, because he resigned instead of being forced
out as governor now is going to make a political comeback.
And that does seem to be underway. And here's what
I think. This is why this ties in for me,
Clay to the red state blue state phenomenon that is
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so apparent with California right now. I think he's just
going to come in and do what was the most
obvious thing of all, which is make do whatever has
to be done to bring crime down in New York
and specific in New York City. I know that's NYPD,
but the state government can have a lot of you know,
there's a lot of money that goes into the subway
system that state affiliated.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I mean, the state can do a lot.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
The state can provide, you know, state troopers if they
want to to, you know, help help as auxiliaries for
the NYPD, they bring down crime. And then then Cuomo
can start to position himself, as you know, if he
becomes mayor as the moderate Democrat alternative, and that doesn't
just end with him being mayor of New York City, everybody,
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he's gonna be talked about the politics of personal destruction.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I don't think him liking to give I like to
give a smooch. I like to grab ladies sometimes give
him a smooch.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I don't think that's going to stop him from running
for president. I know this is crazy talk, but it's not.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
If he wins the New York City mayor's race and
you can go back, we can find the audio whenever
that was. It is his political comeback. It's him saying
I was treated unfairly. And to your point, New York
City basically just needs a new rooty Juwelei to clean
up the mess. And if that were to happen, he
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would use that as his springing off point to run
for president in twenty twenty eight. It feels inevitable to
me that that's what his plan is.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Now.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
He could still lose, but there's polls out there that
show that he would be a prohibited favorite to be
elected New York City mayor. Here's the challenge buck on
all of this. What you just said is the entire
purpose of federalism that states compete and we use each
individual state as a laboratory. It's a brilliant concept. It's
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almost like venture capital back in the day. Right, We're
going to take experiments. Vermont can try something and if
it works, then New York should do it, and then
California should do it. Here's the problem I see. In
order for there to be a course correction, people in
those states have to recognize that voting for Democrats is
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what created the problem that they have in abled themselves.
That's the thing to me about California right now. If
you're looking around and you're listening to us, and we
have a monster audience north to south, and six million
people in California voted for Trump, roughly forty some odd
percent of the state, You guys get it. You're like,
(34:18):
my goodness, I'm born and raised. This is a beautiful state.
It gave us Ronald Reagan. It wasn't very long ago
that Arnold Schwarzenegger was the governor. Pete Wilson, you may
not love them, but there used to be a vibrant
Republican Party Richard Nixon that came out of California. So
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there is a long history in your Belinda and in
Orange County with Nixon and with Reagan and all of
those histories. What makes Californians look in the mirror and say,
we can't even put fires out now? Who are voting Democrat?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Y'all are listening to me.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Right now, and you're like preach, You're preaching to the
choir clay. But in order for things to really change,
the sixty percent of people that showed up and voted
for Kamala Harris and thanked the Lord as you watch
those fires burned, can you imagine if we had a
California Democrat like Kamala Harris DEEI never really accomplished anything,
(35:23):
suddenly in charge of the whole nation like Karen bass
Is in charge of LA. We dodged a bullet. Trump
dodged a bullet. Think the Lord or else he would
be dead and the whole country would have been screwed.
But what is the solution here? It requires California Democrats
to look in the mirror and say, we caused this.
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It's almost like they have to have But the analogy
we made is like alcoholics have to recognize that they're
the alcoholic everybody else can see it. Drug addicts have
to see that they're drug addicts in order to change
their behavior. Democrat voters have to look in the mirror
and be like, like, we cause this. We have put
in place a government that can't put fires out. We
have to fix this. Are they willing to do so?
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Or is their personal branding so connected to the Democrat
Party that they won't make rational changes?
Speaker 6 (36:13):
You know?
Speaker 1 (36:14):
It's it's interesting as well.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
There's a there's an old kind of political joke or
trope about how the moment you want to cut anything,
it's fire it's always fireman first, right, meaning that, oh,
you want to mess with the city budget, I guess
you don't want anyone to arrive when the firefighters need
to be there. And that's how you shut down any
talk about government spending or cuts. You know, this is
how big government kind of emotionally or psychologically holds people, holds, populations,
(36:40):
captive firemen. Like this is what you get to the
very most baseline things you expect government to be able
to do and what we pay taxes for. Police and fire,
I think are the two first things that come to mind,
right cause you know, you need to not have the
purge there. You can't have anarchy in the streets, people
(37:02):
stealing your stuff, hurting you, et cetera. And you also
can't just have people's whole neighborhoods burning down. You know,
these are some of the first things if you go
back to like the early Dutch settlement in America on
you know, the bottom of Manhattan, right if you go
back then, what are things that they would have set
up right away, probably like a night watch, police and fire.
(37:23):
You know, fire comes very early on. So when you
can't do that even close to effective enough, it forces
that most important of questions, what would you say you
do here Los Angeles government? What would you say you
do other than take our money, other than make it
legal to steal in you know, CVS and Dwayne Reid.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Do you understand my thought? Are they going to recognize
that they caused the problem that their addiction to the
Democrat Party has created a situation where they can't put
out fires. That's what has to happen in New York,
but in California, in particular in Illinois, they all moved
red compared to twenty twenty. But you actually have to
(38:07):
start putting people who are competent in charge, and that
means you have to recognize that you created the problem.
I don't know that they have the self realization yet.
Have things gotten bad enough for them to be like, hey,
we totally screwed this up. It's time for change.
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Speaker 4 (39:29):
You don't know what's you don't know right, but you
just on the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
And welcome back into Clay and back speaking Newt Gingrich. Uh, well,
I'm speaking new Gingrich fame. He is with us now.
He's got a new documentary, Journey to America with Newt
and Callista Gingrich, which features inspiring immigrant stories. Mister speaker,
appreciate you being with us before we before we get
(39:57):
into the movie. I'm just wondering what's your sense of
where we stand historically now about to begin the second
Trump term and putting an end to Biden's four years.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
What do you see immediately ahead for the country.
Speaker 6 (40:11):
Well, I think this is an enormous shift. Trump is
a genuine populist. He wants to change the establishment, and
I think that he's going to end up being an
extraordinarily important president. And I think that we're going to
see that. A lot of things just didn't work, but
(40:33):
now I think with Trump's leadership, we're going to see
the country turn around very fast, and I would suspect
that we're going to have a non distant future. I'm
a very dynamic country with a lot of economic growth
and with a lot of reforms.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Speak your new gingers with us. Now we were just
talking on the show. Let's pretend that you had to argue,
and I'm sure you've argued in the past sometimes things
you don't agree with, but you're a good debater. Sixty
one percent of Americans consider Biden's presidency of failure, according
to a CNN poll that just came out. Can you
point to anything in the last four years that Joe
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Biden has done that has made America better.
Speaker 6 (41:17):
No, I mean, I'm pretty biased because I'm a conservative,
but it just you know, I mean, maybe withdrawing from
the race.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
It's a great answer. The only thing you can think
of that made America better was him not running. You
have dealt with getting things through the House and the
Senate a ton.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
When you look at twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Five, how much time does Trump have to really implement
his policies, knowing that next year Democrats are going to
try to delay and the House and the Senate races
will be up again for mid terms. How imperative is
going fast now?
Speaker 6 (41:54):
Well, I think that it depends a large part on
how they approach it. If they do what Reagan did
and what Lincoln and Margaret Thatcher did, and they start
with the wishes of the American people. And I had
up a project called the America's New Majority Project, or
we look for the kind of issues where you can
(42:17):
get seventy and eighty sometimes even ninety percent support. If
they stick to that, they're gonna be able to get
things done all the way through because the American people
will be on their side, and the American people will
force it to happen now. If, on the other hand,
they forget that and they start getting driven by Washington issues,
(42:38):
then I think you're right, and he may have a
relatively short time horizon to get things done.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
How do you view the timing of the hostage deal
and the cessation, the formal cessation of the war between
Israel and Hamas happening just days before Trump takes off
as mister speaker.
Speaker 6 (43:00):
Well, I thought somebody had a very shrewd comment a
former ambassador two Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, Rother, who said,
with Trump coming in every day, the deal was going
to get worse for Hamas and therefore if they didn't
move now, they were just going to be in more
(43:20):
and more and more trouble because ultimately Trump would side
with Israel and wiping out Hamas. It's very different than
the situation they were in when you had Joe Biden
lecturing Israel over and over again about what they should
or should not be doing.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Tell us about the documentary that you've got and what
you've been working on, and what you would encourage our
audience to check out.
Speaker 6 (43:47):
Well, krist and I started in twenty twenty three thinking that,
you know, we need to balance the immigration debate. We're
both very strongly opposed to illegal immigration, but we are
very strongly in favor of legal immigration, and so we
began to think that, you know, maybe we should adopt
a position of how can we get across to the
(44:10):
American people the amazing things that legal immigrants do. And
so we developed a program called Journey to America. We
went out and found nine really interesting people and found
that we were able to tell their stories. So the
Journey to America is essentially nine unique human beings who
(44:32):
came to this country and who made it a dramatically
better country. But they all came through the legal process
under the Constitution. They all wanted to work, and they
all wanted to become Americans. And that's very different than
somebody who starts their career by breaking the law.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Do you have confidence that there's going to be major changes,
mister Speaker in the immigration enforcement and just overall immigration
picture in the next Trump administration.
Speaker 6 (45:00):
I think in the first thirty days you'll be shocked
at how effective they are. He's brought back one of
the great veterans of border control. I think they're absolutely
going to first seal off the border, second start deporting criminals.
And there are a lot of people who are here
who are criminals. And I think that whether it's a
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Venezuelan gang or a Salvadoran gang or a Mexican cartel,
we have no reason to expose Americans to a murder
or rape or robbery from people who shouldn't even be here.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
We've got the documentary that you've worked on up at
clayanbuck dot com.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Where else can people watch, mister speaker.
Speaker 6 (45:39):
Hey, they can go to PBS dot org or PBS
app and they can see it. It's been streaming. It
was on last night on the PBS network and they
now are available to be streamed. If anybody wants to
can go to PBS dot org or the PBS app
and be able to do it.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Last question for you, mister speaker.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
We appreciate the time your wife has been appointed an ambassador.
Do you anticipate what life will be like as the
ambassador's husband? How much are you looking forward to that?
Speaker 6 (46:13):
Well, look, she was the ambassador of the Vatican in
the first Trump term. I went with her and did
most of my work from Rome. The State Department caused
me a trailing spouse, which is a good term because
it reminds you that's the ambassador who is the personal
representative president you're not. And I'm looking forward to being
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with her. Switzerland is a great country. She has to
be approved by the Senator, of course, but Switzerland's a
great country and it's a wonderful assignment for her.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Mister Speaker appreciates you being with us. Good luck on
the documentary and we'll get more and more people go
check it out.
Speaker 6 (46:47):
Great.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Thanks, Look, we just heard from former Speaker new Gangrich.
His new documentary, Journey to America came out this week,
and we've got a linked up at klanbuck dot com.
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